Covid 19 Vaccine Pfizer

[rooter]

There's even a long wait for the AZ vaccine.

I was at my GP and saw an elderly man, could hardly walk, probably closer to 90.

He asked about the vaccine and the earliest they could find him was due to a cancellation on 17th September.

He walked off saying he'll try somewhere else.

Not 100% sure if it was AZ, just assuming based on his age.

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My guess is he was trying to get Pfizer.
There is no way you would have to wait that long for Astra Zeneca

[Yougottabe]

I had my second Pfizer shot. After the 1st shot I went to Saigon Princess in Bexley so my side effect was horniness I Will admit during the session I get fatigued but I was still able to fulfill my destiny. I also went to Broadway the next day. So side effect still horny & 2 sessions in the space of 24hrs. This all happened the 2 days before lockdown. After today’s shot my side effect is sadness cause I can’t do anything about the fact I’m horny again! It didn’t help that my shots were at Royal Prince Alfred which is close enough to my previous destinations.

[cuteguy]

My guess is he was trying to get Pfizer.
There is no way you would have to wait that long for Astra Zeneca

They are begging people to have the AZ vaccine because many will be expiring soon.

[Vader]

They are begging people to have the AZ vaccine because many will be expiring soon.

They are begging people to take AZ know to try and bring the transmission rates down as so many are waiting for Pfizer and Modena or just ambivalent about getting vaccinated. The Government has already stated when you get your third booster shot next year it will be different to your first two so you build a broad range of anti bodies.

[rooter]

The stocks of Astra Zeneca will expire on the shelves or maybe we will donate them to a Third World nation.
The simple fact is the Australian population do not want Astra Zeneca.
They are fearful of the clots or have doubts about it's effectiveness over new strains and they don't like that the shots have to be 12 weeks apart.
So they are trying to get Pfizer.
Even if there is several weeks delay for Pfizer they figure they will still be fully vaccinated (ie two shots) quicker than getting Astra Zeneca now and another one in 12 weeks time.
Or they figure they will wait for new supplies of Pfizer to arrive next month and still be all finished up quicker than getting Astra Zeneca now.
Whether these fears, doubts, strategies etc are well founded is another story, but the fact is this is how people are thinking.
Basically the Federal Government fucked up in basing it's vaccination strategy too heavily on Astra Zeneca and not buying those 20 million doses of Pfizer when they we offered. Of course we are all wiser with the benefit of hindsight.
The game changer will be if there is a major outbreak of covid again - I mean hundreds or even thousands of cases daily, and a few dozen deaths.
If that happens then people will panic and will settle for any sort of vaccination, taking the anything is better than nothing approach.
So the best strategy is to not wait for a major outbreak, but to get in now and get any sort of vaccination you can and start building up immunity and Astra Zeneca will definitely do the job. We will probably be mixing and matching jabs anyway over the next few years just as we do with flu shots (does anyone know or care what brand of flu shot they get?)
But people are not always rational and logical.

[adahar]

They are begging people to take AZ know to try and bring the transmission rates down as so many are waiting for Pfizer and Modena or just ambivalent about getting vaccinated. The Government has already stated when you get your third booster shot next year it will be different to your first two so you build a broad range of anti bodies.

I'd be interested to see the scientific evidence (not opinion pieces written by "experts") that confirms that vaccines prevent or reduce the acquisition of the virus.

As far as I can see no one appears to be collecting the data on whether positive cases were vaccinated or not. Kerrie Chant has confirmed that they are only just starting to look at that, after a journalist asked that question three days in a row.

You can't make a judgment on the UK data either as they're continually expounding mutually exclusive data sets to convince the public.

If they are collecting this data then they aren't releasing it, I wonder why? I'd be very happy to be proved wrong.

[Vader]

The stocks of Astra Zeneca will expire on the shelves or maybe we will donate them to a Third World nation.
The simple fact is the Australian population do not want Astra Zeneca.
They are fearful of the clots or have doubts about it's effectiveness over new strains and they don't like that the shots have to be 12 weeks apart.
So they are trying to get Pfizer.
Even if there is several weeks delay for Pfizer they figure they will still be fully vaccinated (ie two shots) quicker than getting Astra Zeneca now and another one in 12 weeks time.
Or they figure they will wait for new supplies of Pfizer to arrive next month and still be all finished up quicker than getting Astra Zeneca now.
Whether these fears, doubts, strategies etc are well founded is another story, but the fact is this is how people are thinking.
Basically the Federal Government fucked up in basing it's vaccination strategy too heavily on Astra Zeneca and not buying those 20 million doses of Pfizer when they we offered. Of course we are all wiser with the benefit of hindsight.
The game changer will be if there is a major outbreak of covid again - I mean hundreds or even thousands of cases daily, and a few dozen deaths.
If that happens then people will panic and will settle for any sort of vaccination, taking the anything is better than nothing approach.
The best strategy is to not wait for a major outbreak, but to get in now and get any sort of vaccination you can and start building up immunity and Astra Zeneca will definitely do the job.
But people are not always rational and logical.

They are dropping the 12 week gap to 6 weeks now because of the Delta variant

[tpol]

They already have mentioned that the az we produce is going overseas

[cuteguy]

They already have mentioned that the az we produce is going overseas

Yeah, we're sending it to Papua New Guinea and Indonesia.

[warwick1]

They are dropping the 12 week gap to 6 weeks now because of the Delta variant

I'm having my 2nd AZ today after about 6weeks, I am one of the "expendables" as 4647 would call me because he calls it "the survival of the fittest", although I am pretty fit for a 70 year old and I have a big family who care, and also I have a lot of flying to do.....stay safe and vaccinated y'all......

[warwick1]

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[tpol]

Yeah, we're sending it to Papua New Guinea and Indonesia.
There's alot of ppl there too

[TheMaestro]

I'm having my 2nd AZ today after about 6weeks, I am one of the "expendables" as 4647 would call me because he calls it "the survival of the fittest", although I am pretty fit for a 70 year old and I have a big family who care, and also I have a lot of flying to do.....stay safe and vaccinated y'all......

Good on you bro warwick! Smooth skies!!!

[GoldfishMan]

I'm having my 2nd AZ today after about 6weeks, I am one of the "expendables" as 4647 would call me because he calls it "the survival of the fittest", although I am pretty fit for a 70 year old and I have a big family who care, and also I have a lot of flying to do.....stay safe and vaccinated y'all......
Good luck with the vaccination!

[warwick1]

Good luck with the vaccination!

Thank you , just a bit tender but no problem..........

[cuteguy]

There's alot of ppl there too

It appears the Chinese vaccine has not been effective in preventing the spread in countries like Indonesia and Thailand with the authorities looking outside for other vaccines to stop the spread of the delta virus. Even though AZ is being rejected by many Aussies for its rare blood clot issue, other countries are happy to get it and give it to their people.

https://www.reuters.com/world/china/indonesia-thailand-consider-booster-shots-amid-doubts-over-sinovac-vaccine-2021-07-08/

[sukeong]

Lmao another idiot take by western msm on china with just cherry picking data. US and UK cases are rising despite vaccination by western vaccines only. So western vaccine dun work?

[sukeong]

https://m.jpost.com/breaking-news/for-first-time-since-march-855-new-coronavirus-cases-in-israel-674084

Isreal probably top 3 most vaccinated nation in the world with large percentage of population double dosed with Pfizer vaccine. Experiencing rise in cases again.

But western msm: blame china vaccine.

[Basil22]

Missing the point. Vaccines don’t protect fully against infection (although very effective), they prevent severe disease in almost everyone. Latest figures out of the US show that only 2.7% of hospital admissions are of vaccinated people. So the rise in cases you speak of is pretty irrelevant unless that’s the only metric you care about. I’m more worried about severe disease on my end.

Got my 2nd Pfizer yesterday. I’m 34 and healthy. Had it at 11am, around midnight started feeling a bit shaky and went to bed. Woke up thru the night a few times with a brain-splitting headache lol. And shivers etc. popped 2 Panadol at 7 am, woke up at 11 again feeling much better. Had another little nap and woke up feeling like shit again haha. Just popped 1 more Panadol and will eat and drink to get my energy up. Should be fine by this evening. Especially with the happy thought of being much less at risk now (but still aware that I’m not 100% protected)

Yew, happy and healthy Sunday y’all


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[00Eibwen]

I need to wait for a couple of month to get my first vaccine shot. Hoping to get it soon

[Vader]

I need to wait for a couple of month to get my first vaccine shot. Hoping to get it soon

You can get AZ now without waiting.

[Climax598]

I'm having my 2nd AZ today after about 6weeks, I am one of the "expendables" as 4647 would call me because he calls it "the survival of the fittest", although I am pretty fit for a 70 year old and I have a big family who care, and also I have a lot of flying to do.....stay safe and vaccinated y'all......
As long, as you still can do Daty, mission, spooning and Doggies to a girl you are fit

[tan30]

Lol this thread

Get the vaccine, people are idiots for not trying to protect themselves

[rooter]

Missing the point. Vaccines don’t protect fully against infection (although very effective), they prevent severe disease in almost everyone. Latest figures out of the US show that only 2.7% of hospital admissions are of vaccinated people. So the rise in cases you speak of is pretty irrelevant unless that’s the only metric you care about. I’m more worried about severe disease on my end.

Got my 2nd Pfizer yesterday. I’m 34 and healthy. Had it at 11am, around midnight started feeling a bit shaky and went to bed. Woke up thru the night a few times with a brain-splitting headache lol. And shivers etc. popped 2 Panadol at 7 am, woke up at 11 again feeling much better. Had another little nap and woke up feeling like shit again haha. Just popped 1 more Panadol and will eat and drink to get my energy up. Should be fine by this evening. Especially with the happy thought of being much less at risk now (but still aware that I’m not 100% protected)

Yew, happy and healthy Sunday y’all


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Yeah I got my two Pfizer shots a few months ago.
First shot no symptoms at all. Just a bit of a sore arm.
Second shot was a different story. The next day I felt like crap. Headache, backache, fever, no energy etc. But it only lasted 24 hours and then I was all good. It's normal symptoms for most people with the second Pfizer shot.
Anyway got it over and done with. One thing less to worry about.
I don't see what all the drama about vaccination is all about. It's just part of your health care routine. Just like going to the dentist, having blood tests, controlling your diet and drinking, not smoking, doing some exercise etc.
I wasn't really worried about covid before the jabs and I'm not worried about it now.
The chances of catching it are still low (3000 cases in a city of 6 million people over the last 5 weeks) and I am healthy and so even if I do get it it will probably just be like a cold.
But not getting vaccinated is just plain silly and irresponsible. And it will just make your life more difficult and complicated as governments, corporations, airlines, venues etc (maybe even brothels?) gradually introduce an internal vax passport by stealth. Resistance is futile.
I guess I am just lazy. My philosophy of life is the path of least resistance and getting vaxed is an easier option than not getting vaxed.

[JJBlows]

Yeah I got my two Pfizer shots a few months ago.
First shot no symptoms at all. Just a bit of a sore arm.
Second shot was a different story. The next day I felt like crap. Headache, backache, fever, no energy etc. But it only lasted 24 hours and then I was all good. It's normal symptoms for most people with the second Pfizer shot.
Anyway got it over and done with. One thing less to worry about.
I don't see what all the drama about vaccination is all about. It's just part of your health care routine. Just like going to the dentist, having blood tests, controlling your diet and drinking, not smoking, doing some exercise etc.
I wasn't really worried about covid before the jabs and I'm not worried about it now.
The chances of catching it are still low (3000 cases in a city of 6 million people over the last 5 weeks) and I am healthy and so even if I do get it it will probably just be like a cold.
But not getting vaccinated is just plain silly and irresponsible. And it will just make your life more difficult and complicated as governments, corporations, airlines, venues etc (maybe even brothels?) gradually introduce an internal vax passport by stealth. Resistance is futile.
I guess I am just lazy. My philosophy of life is the path of least resistance and getting vaxed is an easier option than not getting vaxed.

I'm getting pfizer in September and I'm youngish so I wonder how it will go( like how you mentioned above), I'm not allowed to get AZ at my age due to a condition but even Then I would be hesitant. It was like when the boeing planes where dropping out of the sky and everybody didn't want to fly it - all it takes is the media to run it and people make up their minds already

[Riff888]

I'm getting pfizer in September and I'm youngish so I wonder how it will go( like how you mentioned above), I'm not allowed to get AZ at my age due to a condition but even Then I would be hesitant. It was like when the boeing planes where dropping out of the sky and everybody didn't want to fly it - all it takes is the media to run it and people make up their minds alreadyWell it's about time these nut cases got banned from YouTube, only a week but that's a start.

Sky News Australia given 1-week YouTube suspension after breaching COVID-19 misinformation policy
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-08-01/sky-news-suspended-youtube-for-one-week-covid-19-misinformation/100341386

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[Basil22]

Resistance is futile.
I guess I am just lazy. My philosophy of life is the path of least resistance and getting vaxed is an easier option than not getting vaxed.

100% this haha. Although I agreed with everything you said.
Watching the protestors on TV last weekend had me thinking about a Cristopher Hitchens quote from a debate on political correctness, where he said that ‘some people are more concerned with being right than being effective.’ I know we’re talking about the vaccine and the protests were about lockdowns, but I lump stupid into the same camp. Its like, ‘let’s go do something that will strengthen the very thing we want to get rid of.’

But regarding the jab, choose your battles people, this is one you’re not going to win; and no idea why you’d want to anyway. I’d like to know how many anti-vax people treat their body like a temple anyway. You know, exercise regularly, never eat fast food, don’t smoke, drink, take drugs, eat processed foods, take various kinds of medication etc etc. Only then could I get somewhere closer to respecting (while still very much disagreeing) their choices to not get vaxxed.
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[GoldfishMan]

Well it's about time these nut cases got banned from YouTube, only a week but that's a start.

Sky News Australia given 1-week YouTube suspension after breaching COVID-19 misinformation policy
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-08-01/sky-news-suspended-youtube-for-one-week-covid-19-misinformation/100341386

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Andrew Clenell is an embarrassment to the journalism profession. He's basically an egotistical maniac that is completely incapable of impartial reporting. It's a joke to call him a "journalist".

[bevis90]

I’m curious how you guys are getting the pzifer shots ?? I couldn’t in anyway get the pzifer shot as it was impossible and I don’t fall in those catogories.

The doc has states to me that under 40 I’m only allowed the astra shot and the pzifer shot is only for people working in frontline jobs, nurses or 16-20 years or people who are really old can have it

[Bose0412]

before this outbreak, they didnt care who got it. as long as you booked in they gave everyone pfizer.
now there is a outbreak supply is limited.

[scummonk]

I’m curious how you guys are getting the pzifer shots ?? I couldn’t in anyway get the pzifer shot as it was impossible and I don’t fall in those catogories.

The doc has states to me that under 40 I’m only allowed the astra shot and the pzifer shot is only for people working in frontline jobs, nurses or 16-20 years or people who are really old can have itLook I qualified as turned 40, so was able to book in June at Olympic Park Vaccination Hub. First dose mid June and finished up in July my Pfizer Vaccination.
There where less checks back earlier as advised, now their is outbreak with Pfizer in short supply.
My elderly mother had AZ with no issues, if that's available to you and young fit with no health conditions - take it.
It's why the UK has reopened up (the majority of illness is unvaccinated)
Look this group has intrest in Asian ML/FS ladies and back home in their countries they would be grateful for the opportunity for AZ Vaccination (think Indonesia, Thailand, Philippines, Malaysia, South Korea, Japan the list goes on)

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[Riff888]

I’m curious how you guys are getting the pzifer shots ?? I couldn’t in anyway get the pzifer shot as it was impossible and I don’t fall in those catogories.

The doc has states to me that under 40 I’m only allowed the astra shot and the pzifer shot is only for people working in frontline jobs, nurses or 16-20 years or people who are really old can have itThe link on the first post was sent to me by a nurse friend.

Everyone regardless of age or residency status could have applied for the Pfizer shots.

But Pfizer is almost out of stock and being diverted to year 12s I think.

Not sure if anyone on this forum used that link but I hope it helped.

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[Ziggurat]

Tomorrow will make me only two weeks out from getting my second AZ dose. That will be the full 12 weeks between them. Remember, you get an amazing 25% more protection by having it at 12 weeks than having it even just one week earlier. People better at maths than me here could use those three figures (11 weeks, 12 weeks and 25%) to create an A and B axis tracking the ascending scale and huge proportional difference in benefit the last few days gives you.

[Ziggurat]

To put it another way, having it at 11 weeks is like selling out of the stockmarket a week before a 25% rise. :shout: And knowing it is going to rise! :grimace:

[Riff888]

The Covid certificate is now available on Google Pay and Apple Wallet.

You can set it up via the Medicare app.74459

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[CountryPunter]

Had my 1st AZ shot about 8 weeks ago back when it was safe to go to Sydney. Had a couple of punts and watched a game of football and generally had a good weekend.

Now with the current Covid situation and lockdowns etc I'm not too keen to go back for my 2nd shot which is booked for 9th Sept. That is 12 weeks to the day since the 1st shot.

I've managed to get a booking in my local town but can't get it till the 30th Sept. So 15 weeks after 1st shot. Don't think that's a problem as it seems shorter intervals between shots reduces effectiveness but anywhere between 12-20 weeks is meant to be ok. Hopefully!!!!

[smn5746]

Had my 1st AZ shot about 8 weeks ago back when it was safe to go to Sydney. Had a couple of punts and watched a game of football and generally had a good weekend.

Now with the current Covid situation and lockdowns etc I'm not too keen to go back for my 2nd shot which is booked for 9th Sept. That is 12 weeks to the day since the 1st shot.

I've managed to get a booking in my local town but can't get it till the 30th Sept. So 15 weeks after 1st shot. Don't think that's a problem as it seems shorter intervals between shots reduces effectiveness but anywhere between 12-20 weeks is meant to be ok. Hopefully!!!!

It’s all risk based, Health would rather you go and your 2nd shot sooner so better covered. Remember u wouldn’t be fully covered till a little while after u get your 2nd dose. I sure u going to the supermarket, so would guess the risk would be about the same

[smn5746]

Tomorrow will make me only two weeks out from getting my second AZ dose. That will be the full 12 weeks between them. Remember, you get an amazing 25% more protection by having it at 12 weeks than having it even just one week earlier. People better at maths than me here could use those three figures (11 weeks, 12 weeks and 25%) to create an A and B axis tracking the ascending scale and huge proportional difference in benefit the last few days gives you.

As long as u don’t get COVID in between

[bevis90]

You can walk in the chemist and get the shot now

[scummonk]

You can walk in the chemist and get the shot nowGood to hear, was bookings to vaccination clinics and GPs previously.

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[CountryPunter]

You can walk in the chemist and get the shot now

Not here you can't. 7 week wait from when I booked to get second AZ shot. Regional areas are low priority. Shit will hit the fan if Covid takes off in country areas.

Hospitals aren't geared up to handle big numbers in ICU or being ventilated.

Also I read that the Pharmacy Guild is getting nervous about pharmacists potentially being exposed to Covid positive people and then the pharmist having to self isolate for 2 weeks.

[adahar]

Not here you can't. 7 week wait from when I booked to get second AZ shot. Regional areas are low priority. Shit will hit the fan if Covid takes off in country areas.

Hospitals aren't geared up to handle big numbers in ICU or being ventilated.

Also I read that the Pharmacy Guild is getting nervous about pharmacists potentially being exposed to Covid positive people and then the pharmist having to self isolate for 2 weeks.

Not sure I understand the logic of this!

A person shouldn't be going to a pharmacist if they are a positive case, close or casual contact as they should be isolating. You don't get tested or retested at a pharmacy anyway. Are they suggesting that someone getting vaccinated is more likely to be covid positive that someone filling a script for anything else. Anyone walking into the shop could a case. Perhaps the extra level of "closeness" required to vaccinate someone is enough to make the difference between getting infected or not.

What happens if a case is positive and that sample has come from a particular testing clinic? Is that clinic closed down, deep cleaned and the staff become close contacts? Do all other customers at that clinic become close/casual contacts? Maybe the level of PPE and testing protocols are enough to disregard these obvious exposure sites. I've never heard of this happening, perhaps it has. If that's the case then pharmacists shouldn't have a problem.

Sounds like mounting paranoia to me.

[cuteguy]

You can walk in the chemist and get the shot now

Only for AZ shots not Pfizer. Many to go around but most people don't want it due to the blood clotting issue.

[aussiegaigin]

Here is a good endorsement for the Pfizer shot
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[tpol]

Do they slip a bit of the blue pill in the vaccine to get ppl addicted?

[scummonk]

Only for AZ shots not Pfizer. Many to go around but most people don't want it due to the blood clotting issue.@cuteguy Look in the ideal world their where plenty of Pfizer shots, their is AZ which we have larger supply at present.

AZ Jab has near minute risk of blood clotting (you have higher chance from other medications like aspirin to get blood clot)

Look as I didn't wait for major outbreak got Pfizer at NSW Vaccination Hub in June/July (so fully vaccinated)

We have a major outbreak of Covid19 here in Sydney and their countries in region like Indonesia, Philippines, Thailand and others that would be grateful for AZ Jab

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[JJBlows]

I just had my first dose and found to have a sore arm but I have heard the second can put you make you feel sick, anyone around 30 had a experience to share?

[TripleJ]

Here's the priority link booking for anyone that's 16-39 for Pfizer and live in one of those LGA hotspots

https://www.nsw.gov.au/covid-19/health-and-wellbeing/covid-19-vaccination-nsw/priority-covid-19-vaccination-booking-for-16

[Basil22]

I just had my first dose and found to have a sore arm but I have heard the second can put you make you feel sick, anyone around 30 had a experience to share?

Yeah mate I’m 34yrs old and pretty fit. The second fucked me up pretty good but it was only for like 16 hours or so. Panadol, water and a good sleep will have you back to normal in no time. Positive thing is that my arm hurt much less the second time tho haha


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[B0tb0t]

Yeah mate I’m 34yrs old and pretty fit. The second fucked me up pretty good but it was only for like 16 hours or so. Panadol, water and a good sleep will have you back to normal in no time. Positive thing is that my arm hurt much less the second time tho haha


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I feel exactly the same like you. Whole body is stiff. Can still do activities but just make you feel lazy and just want to lie down.

[Johnisfun1969]

@cuteguy Look in the ideal world their where plenty of Pfizer shots, their is AZ which we have larger supply at present.

AZ Jab has near minute risk of blood clotting (you have higher chance from other medications like aspirin to get blood clot)

Look as I didn't wait for major outbreak got Pfizer at NSW Vaccination Hub in June/July (so fully vaccinated)

We have a major outbreak of Covid19 here in Sydney and their countries in region like Indonesia, Philippines, Thailand and others that would be grateful for AZ Jab

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That’s for sure. I was speaking to someone in Vietnam. They are being given the Chinese vaccine. There is a major distrust and misinformation circulating about this. All the influential people and political leaders are taking the AZ. Most people there would do anything for this vaccine. I did my research and looked at the risk online and have taken the AZ. If I was waiting for Pfizer it would have been in Sep. The risk of dying with covid is more than dying of blood clot for me. I am over 50.

[GoldfishMan]

That’s for sure. I was speaking to someone in Vietnam. They are being given the Chinese vaccine. There is a major distrust and misinformation circulating about this. All the influential people and political leaders are taking the AZ. Most people there would do anything for this vaccine. I did my research and looked at the risk online and have taken the AZ. If I was waiting for Pfizer it would have been in Sep. The risk of dying with covid is more than dying of blood clot for me. I am over 50.
Yes I've thoroughly researched the AZ vaccine and finally decided to take it.

The thing to remember is, the "active ingredient" in the vaccine... IE. The genetic code that allows your body to know how to create the antibodies against COVID, is the same as the other vaccines. Remember back in the early days of the pandemic, a major milestone was announced and rightly celebrated, that the genetic sequence of the coronavirus was decoded? That's the single piece of info that has been used to create all these vaccines. They all contain the same genetic code.

The only difference between them is the method of delivery of the genetic code.

The Pfizer and Moderna vaccines do it using mRNA, messenger RNA. The AZ one does it with an adenovirus vector, which is a "relatively harmless" other type of virus that carries the same genetic code. The adenovirus will then infect our body and deliver the genetic code in doing so. As a result, we feel slight flu-like symptoms from the adenovirus vector. It is the exact same delivery method used in flu vaccines and vaccines for measles and mumps (MMR).

So in terms of safety of the AZ vaccine, it's pretty straightforward, isn't it? If you've ever had a flu or MMR shot and "survived" that, then the AZ vaccine is going to be safe for you to take. It means that your body can handle the adenovirus vector.

This is also one of the reasons I did not wait to get the Pfizer or Moderna vaccines. I have never had an mRNA vaccine in my life, so I do not know how it will affect my body. I have had flu & MMR shots before and was perfectly fine after taking them. In other words, the AZ vaccine is actually safer for me than the mRNA ones.

One more thing to note about the AZ vaccine is that its effectiveness is strongly correlated to your body's resistance to infection by the adenovirus vector. If your body kills the adenovirus vector before it can deliver the genetic code, the vaccine would've done nothing for you. Therefore, if you've recently taken a flu shot, you might want to take one of the other vaccines instead.

Now, apparently some people might develop blood clot issues from taking the AZ shot. I looked at the "normal" occurrence of this problem (5 per million people, pre-pandemic stats) against those people taking the AZ shot (8 per million). And then I considered that the AZ vaccine is the most widely used vaccine worldwide by a large margin. The clotting problem does happen with or without the vaccine. So who's to say, if the other vaccines were as widely used as AZ, they would also start to see people getting clots "from" those other vaccines too!

[adahar]

So who's to say, if the other vaccines were as widely used as AZ, they would also start to see people getting clots "from" those other vaccines too!

This link is the latest Yellow Card reporting from the UK for the three vaccines we will employ. They are much further down the track with vaccine use so the data is becoming more reliable as they move forward. The end of the report contains links to the actual tables of clinical conditions for those that may be familiar to them. The UK's social structures, ethnicity variables, health systems etc. are broadly similar to ours so the experience is also likely to be similar.

https://www.gov.uk/government/publications/coronavirus-covid-19-vaccine-adverse-reactions/coronavirus-vaccine-summary-of-yellow-card-reporting

[csda]

The link on the first post was sent to me by a nurse friend.

Everyone regardless of age or residency status could have applied for the Pfizer shots.

But Pfizer is almost out of stock and being diverted to year 12s I think.

Not sure if anyone on this forum used that link but I hope it helped.

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i did book from that link. thanks
first shot in july, one hour long queues were spilling into carpark, every jab station has two nurse to streamline the process and ppl in post-jab observation room are released early.
today minimal queue got it done 10 minutes after checking in with only one nurse in every station

[CountryPunter]

Talking to a friend in Thailand yesterday and she told me her mother is fully vaccinated with AZ.

Pfizer is available but she would have to travel to BKK to get it.

Her other option is Sinopharm….a Chinese vaccine. So she’s booked to get that.

[Ballspin]

Talking to a friend in Thailand yesterday and she told me her mother is fully vaccinated with AZ.

Pfizer is available but she would have to travel to BKK to get it.

Her other option is Sinopharm….a Chinese vaccine. So she’s booked to get that.It is not clear if any vaccine other than AZ Pfizer or Moderna will be recognised when people are allowed to enter Australia again.... ?

In CountryPunter post, would someone who had the Chinese vaccine be treated as vaccinated or unvaccinated if they arrived in Australia ??

[MisterWhippy]

Yes I've thoroughly researched the AZ vaccine and finally decided to take it.
...

Now, apparently some people might develop blood clot issues from taking the AZ shot.

Nice one GoldFishMan, good to hear 👍

Fun fact: the COVID virus itself causes rare blood clot disorders! 😮


COVID-19 itself poses 8 to 10 times the risk of blood clots (in the brain) than that of COVID-19 vaccines.
https://www.healthdirect.gov.au/thrombosis-with-thrombocytopenia-syndrome-tts

[Johnisfun1969]

Your research will certainly help brothers here still waiting for Pfizer to make a decision to take AZ instead. Waiting doesn’t seem to be a very wise option now given that Delta is taking hold in NSW and the focus of the NSW Govt appears to shift from low case number to giving “more and more freedom” to fully vaccinated people instead.

Though not 100% sure whether surviving flu or MMR vaccines will mean 100% safety for AZ, I have just read a news report that AZ does give much longer effectiveness than Pfizer which Governments around the World are considering a third booster shot after 6-month because of decreasing efficacy against infection and severity over time. This news, coupled with the much higher risks of myocarditis of Pfizer causing to male recipients between aged 20-40 certainly are strong incentives for unvaccinated brothers to take AZ instead of waiting for 2 months (or maybe shorter by a week or 2 ?) for the first shot of Pfizer.

And you are forgetting the side effects of Pfizer. It’s know to increase the boob size 🤣😜

[MisterWhippy]

And you are forgetting the side effects of Pfizer. It’s know to increase the boob size 🤣😜

Oh man, I got the wrong one! 😫

[CountryPunter]

Without knowing I wouldn’t have thought people would be excluded from entering Australia if they were vaccinated with an alternative vaccine other than what is currently available in Australia.

That would exclude many people from Asian countries who are using Chinese vaccines.

Apart from excluding girls who would work as WLS or MLS and affect our little punting community it would also exclude those that come as legitimate University students.

Foreign University students is a huge money spinner so I can’t see the govt putting restrictions in place that would keep vaccinated students out.

[rooter]

And you are forgetting the side effects of Pfizer. It’s know to increase the boob size ����

That would explain why my man bra feels so tight since I got the Pfizer.
I think I have moved up from a B to a C cup.
They feel pretty good though.
I can't stop touching myself up now.

[GoldfishMan]

That would explain why my man bra feels so tight since I got the Pfizer.
I think I have moved up from a B to a C cup.
They feel pretty good though.
I can't stop touching myself up now.
Careful, you run the risk of bro AHL knocking on your door demanding for Spanish.

[adahar]

Without knowing I wouldn’t have thought people would be excluded from entering Australia if they were vaccinated with an alternative vaccine other than what is currently available in Australia.

That would exclude many people from Asian countries who are using Chinese vaccines.

Apart from excluding girls who would work as WLS or MLS and affect our little punting community it would also exclude those that come as legitimate University students.

Foreign University students is a huge money spinner so I can’t see the govt putting restrictions in place that would keep vaccinated students out.

I think I remember that question coming up at a fed press conference a while back. The very short answer was that any vaccine would have to approved by the TGA. The subject wasn't pursued or commented on further.

Whether that policy stance is firm or not is unclear. They could, of course, just approve all of them and eventually it won't be an issue, but, somehow I think that's easier said than done. Any sign of non-approval of a particular vaccine may be seen to be a political decision rather than a health one.

[Climax598]

I think I remember that question coming up at a fed press conference a while back. The very short answer was that any vaccine would have to approved by the TGA. The subject wasn't pursued or commented on further.

Whether that policy stance is firm or not is unclear. They could, of course, just approve all of them and eventually it won't be an issue, but, somehow I think that's easier said than done. Any sign of non-approval of a particular vaccine may be seen to be a political decision rather than a health one.
At the mean time I think the OZ AZ vaccine is not yet approved for travel to Europe. Only the Pfizer is approved to travel to US and Europe. China vaccine we have to wait and see. At the meantime China doesn't approved AZ and Pfizer/modena/j & j and chinese national have vax here would have to vax again in China. That's why in Singapore chinese national have to both vax Pfizer and China vax to fulfil the requirements to travel to China.

[Climax598]

Careful, you run the risk of bro AHL knocking on your door demanding for Spanish.
😋😋😋😋😋 Bro. Al would you take up the offer.

[adahar]

At the mean time I think the OZ AZ vaccine is not yet approved for travel to Europe. Only the Pfizer is approved to travel to US and Europe. China vaccine we have to wait and see. At the meantime China doesn't approved AZ and Pfizer/modena/j & j and chinese national have vax here would have to vax again in China. That's why in Singapore chinese national have to both vax Pfizer and China vax to fulfil the requirements to travel to China.

If that's the case it brings up an interesting question. In the rush to get vaccinated here will it jeopardise future international travel? Is it possible that we have have to get vaccinated twice or even more times? Perhaps this won't get sorted out long after the borders open (don't hold your breath).

All a bit of a dogs breakfast I think.

[dotcumdotinyou]

As most of the pollies around the world are now in agreement that this will be around forever, we will be urged to have yearly booster shots. Most of the health authorities recommend that if your first dose was AZ then get pfizer or moderna as your booster and visa versa.

[Climax598]

If that's the case it brings up an interesting question. In the rush to get vaccinated here will it jeopardise future international travel? Is it possible that we have have to get vaccinated twice or even more times? Perhaps this won't get sorted out long after the borders open (don't hold your breath).

All a bit of a dogs breakfast I think.
What I think will happen OZ AZ vax will get approved in Europe in times because is the same as makes in UK. But the real problem will be the Chinese vax that we want wl/ml to return to oz. With this political problem we have with China who knows what will happen not only the vaccine but trades that include education. China might banned their people from coming to oz.

[Vader]

What I think will happen OZ AZ vax will get approved in Europe in times because is the same as makes in UK. But the real problem will be the Chinese vax that we want wl/ml to return to oz. With this political problem we have with China who knows what will happen not only the vaccine but trades that include education. China might banned their people from coming to oz.

No the issue is that AZ is called something different in Europe. You will find that soon AZ here is Oz will come into line with Europe and take on that name. Therefore it will have the same name throughout the world

[JJBlows]

Yeah mate I’m 34yrs old and pretty fit. The second fucked me up pretty good but it was only for like 16 hours or so. Panadol, water and a good sleep will have you back to normal in no time. Positive thing is that my arm hurt much less the second time tho haha


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I had it two days ago and last night and tonight I'm noticing a little bit of fatigue, nothing major but I feel like Ive had a busy day when I stop and just sit and relax I feel it then

[Johnisfun1969]

No the issue is that AZ is called something different in Europe. You will find that soon AZ here is Oz will come into line with Europe and take on that name. Therefore it will have the same name throughout the world

It will be called Vaxzevria

https://www.news.com.au/technology/science/astrazeneca-to-change-vaccine-name-to-vaxzevria-in-australia/news-story/eebcbbc465ccff21dd3b29acf49645fe

[Johnisfun1969]

I had it two days ago and last night and tonight I'm noticing a little bit of fatigue, nothing major but I feel like Ive had a busy day when I stop and just sit and relax I feel it then

I had the second dose of AZ and I did not feel as bad as with the first dose. It feels like you have cold and want to lie in bed and rest. My shot was on Sat and today it felt more. Some people get more sick. I have not done as bad. Important thing is I am vaccinated and looking forward to that freedom whenever it’s coming.

[Climax598]

It will be called Vaxzevria

https://www.news.com.au/technology/science/astrazeneca-to-change-vaccine-name-to-vaxzevria-in-australia/news-story/eebcbbc465ccff21dd3b29acf49645fe
Good job bro. Problem solve. Only if we can get the Chinese vax approved then have wl/ml students coming back to service our asset.

[fud]

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2021/aug/19/jabbed-adults-infected-with-delta-can-match-virus-levels-of-unvaccinated

The researchers also found that compared with the Oxford/AstraZeneca jab, two doses of the Pfizer/BioNTech vaccine does have about 15% greater initial effectiveness against new infections, but the protection declines faster compared with two doses of Oxford/AstraZeneca. About four to five months after being fully vaccinated by either vaccine, the protection offered is relatively the same, said Walker.

[asianstud8]

For anyone who's gotten the pfizer, did the injection hurt? I'm a bit of a pussy when it comes to needles lmao and I'm getting mine in 4 days.

[massage addict]

For anyone who's gotten the pfizer, did the injection hurt? I'm a bit of a pussy when it comes to needles lmao and I'm getting mine in 4 days.

Had 2 doses of Pfizer and never before has a needle hurt so much. It fucken kills man! haha im kidding.... or am i?

[thefeared]

For anyone who's gotten the pfizer, did the injection hurt? I'm a bit of a pussy when it comes to needles lmao and I'm getting mine in 4 days.


I'm not so good with needles either, and I felt a bit, but I told the nurse I was a bit nervous so we chatted TV shows and it was over and done within 10 seconds.

[GoldfishMan]

I'm not so good with needles either, and I felt a bit, but I told the nurse I was a bit nervous so we chatted TV shows and it was over and done within 10 seconds.

Is that 10 seconds of excruciating pain?

[GoldfishMan]

For anyone who's gotten the pfizer, did the injection hurt? I'm a bit of a pussy when it comes to needles lmao and I'm getting mine in 4 days.

I went for the AZ. The good thing about it is I can get it from pharmacies. So what I did was racked my brains where I'd seen a hottie pharmacist behind the counter and straight up booked my sesh at the one I knew had a hottie. Lo and behold, it was my dream pharmacist administering my jab. It was the most pleasurable jab I'd ever taken in my life!

[smn5746]

For anyone who's gotten the pfizer, did the injection hurt? I'm a bit of a pussy when it comes to needles lmao and I'm getting mine in 4 days.

I felt my flu vaccination more than my AZ jab. Be down to the person who doing, they should had plenty of practice by now.
Also if u a fatty they will have to use a bigger needle.

[adahar]

Date published shown as 19th August 2021.

Link to Oxford Uni News:-

https://www.ox.ac.uk/news/2021-08-19-vaccines-still-effective-against-delta-variant-concern-says-oxford-led-study-covid

On that web page is a link to the document that is the basis of this article if you're having trouble sleeping. (Note: BNT162b2 is Pfizer and ChAd0x1 is AZ)

I'm not sure you can get a better appreciation of the science and for now it's probably the goto reference. Until, of course, they do it all over again in a year or two, maybe sooner.

[Budgyboy]

Really good thread this one factual presentation of conversation and no silly alarmists. Very sensible toing and throwing im enjoying everyones personal experiences

[asianstud8]

ahaha thanks lads. Hopefully, I'll get a smoking hot nurse giving me the stab

[GoldfishMan]

ahaha thanks lads. Hopefully, I'll get a smoking hot nurse giving me the stab

If you're going for Pfizer, it'll be at a hub or clinic. Very hard to scout for hotties there. My RL bro down in Melbourne had a Nepalese dude called Ashish administer his Pfizer. He defo felt the needle there.
I honestly didn't feel my AZ jab at all. Done before I could get her number!

[Themassageking]

I'm not having the jab unless mamasan tells me I can't have a massage without the jab.

[rooter]

If you're going for Pfizer, it'll be at a hub or clinic. Very hard to scout for hotties there. My RL bro down in Melbourne had a Nepalese dude called Ashish administer his Pfizer. He defo felt the needle there.
I honestly didn't feel my AZ jab at all. Done before I could get her number!

The super vax centre I went to was a typical ethnic mix; Security were Indian and Arab, Marshals were various South East Asian, Receptionists were sub-continent, Nurses were Filipino and Nepalese, and a couple of young ABC doctors.
There was one distinguished looking old white Anglo chap with the white hair and beige chinos who was hovering around. He looked like the family doctor from the 1950s. He wasn't a health professional though, just an extra from an actors casting agency they hired to hover around and pretend to be working just to reassure the older people who still haven't quite adapted to the post-White Australia Policy era :)

[scummonk]

I'm not having the jab unless mamasan tells me I can't have a massage without the jab.Will see what policies from either the Government or your mamasan are after this lockdown.

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[Climax598]

I'm not having the jab unless mamasan tells me I can't have a massage without the jab.
Don't be surprised mamasan Gladys might require covid certificate to go to shops like now require QR code to get services.

[TheMaestro]

The super vax centre I went to was a typical ethnic mix; Security were Indian and Arab, Marshals were various South East Asian, Receptionists were sub-continent, Nurses were Filipino and Nepalese, and a couple of young ABC doctors.
There was one distinguished looking old white Anglo chap with the white hair and beige chinos who was hovering around. He looked like the family doctor from the 1950s. He wasn't a health professional though, just an extra from an actors casting agency they hired to hover around and pretend to be working just to reassure the older people who still haven't quite adapted to the post-White Australia Policy era :)

Sounds like an experience bro rooter. Need to try it for a day out, it is also an essential reason to leave the home which makes it even better!!

[warwick1]

I'm not having the jab unless mamasan tells me I can't have a massage without the jab.

Gosh that's a great reason to get vaccinated Einstein! Unbelievable.....

[Riff888]

Gosh that's a great reason to get vaccinated Einstein! Unbelievable.....Unbelievable but true.

If there's no pussy without the jap. You'll see all the male anti vaccine blokes run to the hubs.

Cue Dannyboy with: It'll never happen.



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[warwick1]

Unbelievable but true.

If there's no pussy without the jap. You'll see all the male anti vaccine blokes run to the hubs.

Cue Dannyboy with: It'll never happen.



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Yep that sure says a lot about their priorities overall, very selfish....cheers

[Climax598]

I remembered years ago you go to visit a wl they check your little brother first now they might have to check your covid certificate first. New normal seeing a ml/wl.

[MisterWhippy]

I remembered years ago you go to visit a wl they check your little brother first now they might have to check your covid certificate first. New normal seeing a ml/wl.

After the last lockdown ended, my first expedition was to Bellevue 12. Was greeted by the owner (old Chinese guy) believe it or not. He asked me to sign in on a piece of paper, with name & phone number. Looking at the sheet, everyone was filling in fake details.

[rooter]

Like the good old days on building sites. "No ticket, no start"

[HoorayForBoobies]

I got my first Pfizer yesterday, atm hurts a little bit but only like it’s bruised.

[rooter]

Once everyone has had a chance to be vaccinated, I would definitely prefer to go to a shop, restaurant, cafe, bar, brothel, airline etc that has a "all our staff are vaccinated and we serve vaccinated customers only" policy.

[HoorayForBoobies]

What do you think of charging non vaxxers the bill for ICU if they end up there?

[warwick1]

Once everyone has had a chance to be vaccinated, I would definitely prefer to go to a shop, restaurant, cafe, bar, brothel, airline etc that has a "all our staff are vaccinated and we serve vaccinated customers only" policy.
That is probably the way it will go and the most logical........

[MisterWhippy]

What do you think of charging non vaxxers the bill for ICU if they end up there?

Impractical.

Probably not legal.

A violation of the Hippocratic oath that the medical community would never countenance.

A great way of making martyrs of these idiots, validating their persecution narrative.

I could go on...

[ML_Lover]

Took my 16yo daughter to qudos arena today. Super organised and efficient. Pfizer in 20 minutes.

[Vader]

That is probably the way it will go and the most logical........

Yep, totally agree with that.

[Budgyboy]

What happened to that dannyboy wanker, maybe he realised that this was a sex and sensibility forum and took his utterly ridiculous opinions to a more accommodating forum that only accepts facebook doctor facts and predictions

[storry_teller]

I got it recently as well. Feel ok: just sore arm, body aching first 2 days but now ok. One thing weird is I feel so sleepy that I go to bed early than normal, but because of that now I’m up at this time

I got my first Pfizer yesterday, atm hurts a little bit but only like it’s bruised.

[tpol]

I got it recently as well. Feel ok: just sore arm, body aching first 2 days but now ok. One thing weird is I feel so sleepy that I go to bed early than normal, but because of that now I’m up at this time

Lucky youre in lockdown. Your young fella won't be strong for a while

[Smack]

I went for the AZ. The good thing about it is I can get it from pharmacies. So what I did was racked my brains where I'd seen a hottie pharmacist behind the counter and straight up booked my sesh at the one I knew had a hottie. Lo and behold, it was my dream pharmacist administering my jab. It was the most pleasurable jab I'd ever taken in my life!

Ha lucky the pharmacy didn’t bait&switch you

[storry_teller]

No wonder why!!!

Lucky youre in lockdown. Your young fella won't be strong for a while

[stones]

Cigarettes and alcohol are heavily taxed to help pay for the health problems associated with using these products, so should the medicare levy be increased for non vaccinated people once we have all had a chance to get the jab?
I've had my first dose already.

[HoorayForBoobies]

I got it recently as well. Feel ok: just sore arm, body aching first 2 days but now ok. One thing weird is I feel so sleepy that I go to bed early than normal, but because of that now I’m up at this time

Surprisingly, I didn’t get any aching or drowsiness.

[HoorayForBoobies]

Lucky youre in lockdown. Your young fella won't be strong for a while

Why do you say that? Mine worked fine for a booking with Mrs Palmer and her 5 daughters later that day and again the next.

[tpol]

The guy walks in to get his Vax at olympic park
The nurse asks do u have any questions before I give to u your vaccine
He replies can I wank straight after the jab
She says I'm sorry no

[tpol]

Wait till u get home