If you were a betting man, what date would you put $50 on when shops will re-open?

[Rooster18]

Purely for fun and not to be included in any Gov policy debate or Vaccine conspiracies.. , if you were a betting man and the signs are there that we are heading for something resembling normality by Mid Oct, what date would you say we have shops re-opening.. ?

My 2 cents worth...

Nov 5th... Massage Shops providing Legit and Non Legit services... (Just after the Melbourne Cup)

Nov 29th ... Full service shops allowed..

[Carissawhore]

I would say 15th December Galdys will free all restrictions cause that is close to Christmas to keep everyone happy, they are also opening international borders so it would be right timing

[birch]

Small one on one beauty services / hair cuts and the like may well be grouped together and free to operate earlier, I reckon I'd put my money on 3rd week in October (I'm an optimist, right!).

[asianstud8]

26-31st October, fingers crossed ahaha

[storry_teller]

21st October then as I like it but more reasonable are either 18th or 25th October

[james912]

Mid Nov- after 80% dose doses at least

[waifuman]

21st October then as I like it but more reasonable are either 18th or 25th October

with the rate of vaccinations, mid to late October I hope... I do miss a real massage... and the other kind

[asiafever]

Well if all school kids aren't back until Nov 8th then I'm tipping it will be after that.

Sexual services will be last on the list.
November 15th my bet.

[asiafever]

with the rate of vaccinations, mid to late October I hope... I do miss a real massage... and the other kind

Agree. My ageing, aching body would love a nice massage. And the rest of me is missing the soft touch and warm caresses of an engaging beautiful young lady...

[GoldfishMan]

My money's on end of Oct if they can get the vaccination level up there. If we fail to do that, all bets are off.

[Climax598]

Open for retail and hospitality open on 18 Oct. As per announcement

[solidsnake]

I reckon they’ll find some way to fk things up and keep us in pain for longer

I’d bet late January, start of the new school term

[MisterWhippy]

"Shops": I'd give two answers, one for massage, another for brothels/FS...

I'm calling early December for hospitality and health services like massage. It won't be the first thing to reopen, since the state government will try to drip feed back our freedoms as long as they can, because they know our inadequate public health system is going to be overwhelmed.

FS/brothels: remember in 2020 they almost didn't reopen (were somehow left out of the reopening schedule)? Apparently took some heavy back-room negotiation to get them to reopen at all (despite little or no actual evidence of sex work being a significant public health risk).

I'm going to be a pessimist and say they won't reopen, we're going to see the defacto re-illegalization of sex work using the pandemic and public health orders as the excuse. Don't underestimate the forces across the political spectrum -- from the religious right to the feminist left -- that see prostitution as a social scourge.

[adahar]

"Shops": I'd give two answers, one for massage, another for brothels/FS...

I'm calling early December for hospitality and health services like massage. It won't be the first thing to reopen, since the state government will try to drip feed back our freedoms as long as they can, because they know our inadequate public health system is going to be overwhelmed.

FS/brothels: remember in 2020 they almost didn't reopen (were somehow left out of the reopening schedule)? Apparently took some heavy back-room negotiation to get them to reopen at all (despite little or no actual evidence of sex work being a significant public health risk).

I'm going to be a pessimist and say they won't reopen, we're going to see the defacto re-illegalization of sex work using the pandemic and public health orders as the excuse. Don't underestimate the forces across the political spectrum -- from the religious right to the feminist left -- that see prostitution as a social scourge.

I've been thinking that for a while now. There could be quite a number of self-righteous public servants that haunt the back rooms that might like an opportunity to act out their control fetish.

Make no mistake, the desire to impose a "firm" hand on the public comes from public servants rather than politicians. They've been allowed the power to determine how we live on a day to day basis even though they are unelected and, up until last year, virtually anonymous. They won't let it go easily.

[tpol]

Plan is once 80% is vaxxed, can travel to regional nsw for your fix.

Expected end October

[PoohBear]

My pineapples are on 18th October for all shops who are willing to actually use the NSW Covid safe QR code.

[storry_teller]

"Shops": I'd give two answers, one for massage, another for brothels/FS...

I'm calling early December for hospitality and health services like massage. It won't be the first thing to reopen, since the state government will try to drip feed back our freedoms as long as they can, because they know our inadequate public health system is going to be overwhelmed.

FS/brothels: remember in 2020 they almost didn't reopen (were somehow left out of the reopening schedule)? Apparently took some heavy back-room negotiation to get them to reopen at all (despite little or no actual evidence of sex work being a significant public health risk).

I'm going to be a pessimist and say they won't reopen, we're going to see the defacto re-illegalization of sex work using the pandemic and public health orders as the excuse. Don't underestimate the forces across the political spectrum -- from the religious right to the feminist left -- that see prostitution as a social scourge.
Wow, that’s long. Too bad, lot of us are waiting for its end to be back at that hobby

[asiafever]

My pineapples are on 18th October for all shops who are willing to actually use the NSW Covid safe QR code.

The announcement regarding 18th October has left out brothels and massage parlour (they have been mentioned in restrictions previously) which suggests they will be held back longer. I doubt they will be permanently shut down but they will be last cabs off the ranks I imagine, and so workers will need to be imaginative to get clients. In Rydalmere for example there is the hairdresser with massage rooms out the back. They could open the hairdresser and sneak clients out the back. Shops might start doing impromptu nail salons (a couple of tables if room permits), men get mani/pedis as well.
Beautician seems to be left off the list also, so no waxing (and sneaky tug) as a front to be had there I don't think.

[Raybo]

Once general lockdowns are lifted (70% double vaccs over 16yrs) then seeing privates will be much easier and little to no risks.

[toilet33]

My pineapples are on 18th October for all shops who are willing to actually use the NSW Covid safe QR code.

Imagine being traced after a cluster is identified..... *shudder*

[MisterWhippy]

Actually I admit I was wrong: massage parlors and brothels are included in the reopening plans under "Beauty and other services".
https://www.nsw.gov.au/covid-19/covid-safe/beauty-and-other-services

[DireStraits]

Imagine being traced after a cluster is identified..... *shudder*
Yes, I do think in our excitement at the prospect of getting back in to it, some of us are forgetting this rather sobering possibility… I’d say the risk of it happening, while low, is probably higher than catching a STD while there.

[limbi8888]

with the rate of vaccinations, mid to late October I hope... I do miss a real massage... and the other kind

i'm with you on both counts

[Rooster18]

Yes, I do think in our excitement at the prospect of getting back in to it, some of us are forgetting this rather sobering possibility… I’d say the risk of it happening, while low, is probably higher than catching a STD while there.

I'm sure with the collective brain cells here on the forum and the common interest at hand, someone will come up with a solution that works.. or works around it.. Or everyone goes private and that just booms... ?

[limbi8888]

Actually I admit I was wrong: massage parlors and brothels are included in the reopening plans under "Beauty and other services".
https://www.nsw.gov.au/covid-19/covid-safe/beauty-and-other-services

they tend to not like to be too public with them lol, its the black sheep industry

[keebab]

So, just being realistic. Assuming they want to re-open, they will have to have a Covid Safe Plan. And every Covid Safe plan includes QR checkins or some form of digital registration.

Anyone else nervous?

[MisterWhippy]

So, just being realistic. Assuming they want to re-open, they will have to have a Covid Safe Plan. And every Covid Safe plan includes QR checkins or some form of digital registration.

Anyone else nervous?

I'd be more concerned about workers and their pimps having access to my identity: blackmail/extortion etc.

There's no risk of that with a QR check-in, the venue never handles your details directly.

Am I worried about the government knowing I see prostitutes? It's not an illegal activity, and they already basically know from my SSHC checks (although that's medical information so highly privileged).

[rooter]

The data does not go to the shop.
The QR code just goes to Service NSW.
The most you will have to do is show the shop green tick on your phone for 2 seconds.

[james912]

I hope there isnt any double standards on the lga of concerns on the easing

[DayMan69]

So, just being realistic. Assuming they want to re-open, they will have to have a Covid Safe Plan. And every Covid Safe plan includes QR checkins or some form of digital registration.

Anyone else nervous?

I am actually. Imagine taking the phone call at home. 'Hello sir, as a close contact at shop x, you and your family now need to...'

Quelle horreur. I'd started my engines, ready for Oct 18.

Thinking it through, though, the risk is mitigated by you, the girl and all employees being vaxxed. Wear a mask. Drown your hands and hers in cleanser. The shop and the girls will be very conscious of infection control. Your chances are probably higher catching the train with some bozo.

Worst comes to worst, have the name of a retail shop close to the ML ready to go in your head for any awkward questions.

[adahar]

Imagine being traced after a cluster is identified..... *shudder*

It's unlikely that contact tracing will be done at that level. QR check in's are now being used for generating lists of people to go for testing. QR check in's have hardly ever resulted in cases. KC admitted that retail is a very low risk and "less than a handful" have been found. QR codes never worked at a macro level, 20 or so cases it worked fine, once it got past 50 it becomes useless.

It will be used for surveillance testing. If an area has a few cases they will generate lists from high value retail, supermarkets, malls etc. in order to capture 1) any stray cases (unlikely) 2) track unvaccinated people, the main goal.

The most that will happen is you'll have to go for a test, if found positive you will have to isolate. You could have got it from a hundred different places, no one will ever know as exposure sites are no longer published.

[Vader]

The data does not go to the shop.
The QR code just goes to Service NSW.
The most you will have to do is show the shop green tick on your phone for 2 seconds.

The green tick will be attached to the QR code that you have to log in with

[tpol]

Who has a spouse or partner in contact tracing?

They probably could look you up to see where you're going

[studsg]

I am actually. Imagine taking the phone call at home. 'Hello sir, as a close contact at shop x, you and your family now need to...'

Quelle horreur. I'd started my engines, ready for Oct 18.

Thinking it through, though, the risk is mitigated by you, the girl and all employees being vaxxed. Wear a mask. Drown your hands and hers in cleanser. The shop and the girls will be very conscious of infection control. Your chances are probably higher catching the train with some bozo.

Worst comes to worst, have the name of a retail shop close to the ML ready to go in your head for any awkward questions.That is definitely a possibility. Anyone who has used the Service NSW App to check-in can see for yourself. The history of where you visited is listed. So both your family and Service NSW has that info for contact tracing in the event 1 guy out of the 100 guys on that day who visited the ML or WL is positive.

Hell even your partner can see if they launch the Service NSW app on your phone. So better keep the phone locked up.

My bet is on the private market growing exponentially once restrictions are eased.

[CountryPunter]

Did anyone visit a shop (massage or fs) prior to this lockdown that was using the QR code check in.

Couple of places that I went to had a book where the client had to write their name, phone no. and time which obviously was being done to comply with regulations at the time. No checkups to verify that what was written in the book was the clients real name or number.

I'm thinking that after this lockdown licenced shops will have to comply and have QR code check ins. Will probably be a lot of spot checks to make sure businesses are doing the right thing.

[asiafever]

Did anyone visit a shop (massage or fs) prior to this lockdown that was using the QR code check in.

Couple of places that I went to had a book where the client had to write their name, phone no. and time which obviously was being done to comply with regulations at the time. No checkups to verify that what was written in the book was the clients real name or number.

I'm thinking that after this lockdown licenced shops will have to comply and have QR code check ins. Will probably be a lot of spot checks to make sure businesses are doing the right thing.

Yeah a few shops were demanding we code sign in earlier in the year. I remember a couple in Chatswood. Can't remember where else.

[Raybo]

25/10/21...though if I was a bookmaker I would be paying $1.50 right now for that date. No value for my 50 bucks.

[vitrium]

That is definitely a possibility. Anyone who has used the Service NSW App to check-in can see for yourself. The history of where you visited is listed. So both your family and Service NSW has that info for contact tracing in the event 1 guy out of the 100 guys on that day who visited the ML or WL is positive.

Hell even your partner can see if they launch the Service NSW app on your phone. So better keep the phone locked up.

My bet is on the private market growing exponentially once restrictions are eased.

Yeah I think the priv market will boom. Unfortunatley due to supply and demand, private prices have gone up significantly since COVID began.

Once more internationals and students are allowed back in, I hope the prices stabilise. Lot's of lazy private WLs charging a fortune for mediocre services at the moment.

Back in 2019 I could get a hot South American priv WL for $200-$250/hour. It's closer to $400/hour now.

[Rooster18]

Would you think ML ladies go private? Not sure if the private business model works for standard RNT workers?

Or could the shop owners moved away from traditional bricks and mortar shop fronts and go apartment style in more private settings??

[studsg]

Would you think ML ladies go private? Not sure if the private business model works for standard RNT workers?

Or could the shop owners moved away from traditional bricks and mortar shop fronts and go apartment style in more private settings??

I can see councils including apartment and the police even getting more calls about a consistent flow of strange men going into a private apartment or house and strange loud noises are constantly coming from it. Remember most of these ML or WL do not own the apartment or house, they rent. So it would be interesting to see what happens to the private market next

[studsg]

I hope there isnt any double standards on the lga of concerns on the easing

https://www.northernbeachesadvocate.com.au/2021/09/09/front-of-the-queue/

According to this article, northern beaches is gonna beat everyone else to reopen... talk abt preferential treatment :startle:

[Budgyboy]

Reckon about end of oct, 18th will see some movement but majority end oct early November

[Joe1956]

https://www.northernbeachesadvocate.com.au/2021/09/09/front-of-the-queue/

According to this article, northern beaches is gonna beat everyone else to reopen... talk abt preferential treatment :startle:
Nothing preferential about it. They locked down hard over Christmas and did the right thing. Now very few if any cases there. They deserve to be open

[james912]

https://www.northernbeachesadvocate.com.au/2021/09/09/front-of-the-queue/

According to this article, northern beaches is gonna beat everyone else to reopen... talk abt preferential treatment :startle:

I wont be surprised if lga of concern get shut down again if there is a surge after it eases, being limited to travelling within its own lga.

[Budgyboy]

I wont be surprised if lga of concern get shut down again if there is a surge after it eases, being limited to travelling within its own lga.
And thats fair enough, only reason for a surge will be because people in those LGAs are hesitant about vaccination, they want a certain type or dont believe in it. Northern beaches and others areas believe in it and are taking whatever is available simple as that.

[adahar]

And thats fair enough, only reason for a surge will be because people in those LGAs are hesitant about vaccination, they want a certain type or dont believe in it. Northern beaches and others areas believe in it and are taking whatever is available simple as that.

The idea of covid spreading is due to the unvaccinated seems to be popular one and gives the vaccinated the opportunity to heap blame on someone else. Unfortunately this mindset is proving to be erroneous, simple logic can demonstrate this. We only need to see a surge in cases in a well vaccinated area to completely dispel this idea.

Although the promise of "no more lockdowns when at 80%" has been made, GB has indicated it is possible to have local lockdowns of LGA's, suburbs, even businesses if cases rise. The Doherty model supports this possibility.

[GoldfishMan]

The idea of covid spreading is due to the unvaccinated seems to be popular one and gives the vaccinated the opportunity to heap blame on someone else. Unfortunately this mindset is proving to be erroneous, simple logic can demonstrate this. We only need to see a surge in cases in a well vaccinated area to completely dispel this idea.

Although the promise of "no more lockdowns when at 80%" has been made, GB has indicated it is possible to have local lockdowns of LGA's, suburbs, even businesses if cases rise. The Doherty model supports this possibility.

Blablabla, again you're selling the unvaxxed idea. What you get, $50 bucks for every unvaccinated person or something?
The only ones buying your crap here are probably dannyboy and dotcumdotinyou. Even they will probably stop reading your crap because you don't even stand for anything.

You're not an anti-vaxxer? That's Bull Crap. You're just one that lacks the integrity or self respect to stand up for what you clearly believe in.

[warwick1]

Blablabla, again you're selling the unvaxxed idea. What you get, $50 bucks for every unvaccinated person or something?
The only ones buying your crap here are probably dannyboy and dotcumdotinyou. Even they will probably stop reading your crap because you don't even stand for anything.

You're not an anti-vaxxer? That's Bull Crap. You're just one that lacks the integrity or self respect to stand up for what you clearly believe in.

Yep this guy is an ignorant dope, if anyone has a problem just talk to a doctor, don't listen to people like Adahar and his minions on the forum.....

[dotcumdotinyou]

Firstly Mr Goldfish I've been vaccinated, 23rd July with AZ and going back for my second towards the end of next week.

Secondly I don't buy anyones crap especially yours, vader and dipshit mr whippy who buy the way I'm still waiting for him to show me an after report on a this a punting forum, he seems to only post on vax stuff.

You 3 are self righteous pompous gits who espouse your own beliefs and put down anyone who disagrees with you no matter how much evidence they show you. In my opinion I think adahar is a very smart individual and I enjoy seeing his perspective on these matters, just because I disagree with some of the things he's been eluding to doesn't mean that I'm not going to listen to him and consider his arguments which he puts more rationally than you 3 idiots.

[adahar]

Blablabla, again you're selling the unvaxxed idea. What you get, $50 bucks for every unvaccinated person or something?
The only ones buying your crap here are probably dannyboy and dotcumdotinyou. Even they will probably stop reading your crap because you don't even stand for anything.

You're not an anti-vaxxer? That's Bull Crap. You're just one that lacks the integrity or self respect to stand up for what you clearly believe in.

You're entitled to your opinion, as am I, whatever you imagine it to be. Usually, responses like this indicate a realisation of the reality but a reluctance to accept it. It offends your beliefs and causes internal conflict that results in verbal abuse and irrational accusations.

Unfortunately when your opinion disregards facts and ignores evidence and becomes driven by emotion, it loses credibility. When this happens the only people who will agree with you are those of a similar mindset that increasingly become the rationally impoverished. If you become conducive to considering facts and evidence you might be able to reach a rational viewpoint, otherwise you bring nothing of value to the conversation.

[Budgyboy]

Got to remember and i think its been lost somehow but this is a sex site. Couple of you guys with this anti vax or facts about it, move the fuck on to other sites and forums where there is much smarter guys than us guys who will shoot you down quite quickly and easily. Lets get rid of these stupid covid threads that offer twits some sort of recognition. Lets get back to banter about shops girls, experiences and intel.

[surething91]

In my opinion I think adahar is a very smart individual and I enjoy seeing his perspective on these matters, just because I disagree with some of the things
I agree with that. The world is not binary with only the good guys and the bad guys.

You can be vaccinated and recognise it can better protect you than nothing but also ask yourself if all this unvaccinated blaming is justified. This really divides the population. Will we be supposed to ask our friends if they are vaccinated before inviting them home?

Gladys said herself she wouldn't want to be near an unvaccinated! Is it really going to help saying that? I don't expect a politic to express personal opinion like that and this won't convince the unvaccinated to get vaccinated, quite the opposite I would say.

[surething91]

Got to remember and i think its been lost somehow but this is a sex site.
You are right! We are going off topic with that. But this still concerns us a bit to know how we will be recorded when we will be able to enjoy all that again though.

[Budgyboy]

Least of your worries, move on forget the covid shit we are all over that crap. Move towards the light brother and resume the intention of this site ok.

[GoldfishMan]

Least of your worries, move on forget the covid shit we are all over that crap. Move towards the light brother and resume the intention of this site ok.

Can't argue with that. Count me in, I'm over posting about COVID. Bring on the gals!! FMD I miss my Mimi, Coco, Star, Kiki, etc. I love them all. Fuck this lockdown shit!

[Budgyboy]

Not long now Goldfish, hope all those girls are practicing on something because that first week they are going to get a severe case of rsi. Let the good times roll, the girls that havent been able to go home and have stuck it out need all of us horny massage or FS dudes showing up and enjoying the punt. Even though its probably not the best job in the world the girls actually miss the interactions i reckon, i know i do, oh and i miss getting my cocked pulled by a lovely asian lady with a nice GFE.

[MisterWhippy]

Yep this guy is an ignorant dope, if anyone has a problem just talk to a doctor, don't listen to people like Adahar and his minions on the forum.....

(Not wanting to defend Adahar but...) everyone keeps sticking the "anti-vaxxer!" label on him, when he's clearly stated that he supports people's choice to vaccinate.

He's unclear about his position, seems to me he's some kind of libertarian. Uses lots of words too.

If you think what he says about personal freedoms & government overreach are off topic for a punting forum, have a look at the latest orders from the NSW government: brothels have been specifically left out of the reopening plans!

[Budgyboy]

Mister whippy mister whippy come on mate we dont care about negative info ok. Whatever his stance is its not about contribution to a sex site. Again your spruiking shit we dont care about. All retail will be open, if brothels are left out then so be it. Want to get a fuck, guess what you still can. Once we reach 70% its on, couple weeks later its 80% be positive man.

[MisterWhippy]

Mister whippy mister whippy come on mate we dont care about negative info ok. Whatever his stance is its not about contribution to a sex site. Again your spruiking shit we dont care about. All retail will be open, if brothels are left out then so be it. Want to get a fuck, guess what you still can. Once we reach 70% its on, couple weeks later its 80% be positive man.

Hey, I thought we were just talking...

Brothels being left out of the reopening plans is relevant to a sex site, and relevant to this thread about when shops will reopen.

You can say whatever you like on that topic, no objections from me.

[GoldfishMan]

(Not wanting to defend Adahar but...) everyone keeps sticking the "anti-vaxxer!" label on him, when he's clearly stated that he supports people's choice to vaccinate.

He's unclear about his position, seems to me he's some kind of libertarian. Uses lots of words too.

If you think what he says about personal freedoms & government overreach are off topic for a punting forum, have a look at the latest orders from the NSW government: brothels have been specifically left out of the reopening plans!
He's playing mind games with you, bro. Don't fall for it. Just because he says he is not an anti-vaxxer does not make him not one. He says "I'm not an anti-vaxxer.... BTW, read these 10 articles that just so happen to cast doubt on vaccination", you make up your mind what he is. And does he ever post anything in support of the opposite? Nope... His views are as biased as they come.

Besides, we call him an anti-vaxxer, but that doesn't mean that's the only thing he is. I'd say a more "complete" label for him would be anti-government (or if you prefer, shit-stirrer). That would explain a lot of it. Gov wants me to vax? No. Gov wants to QR code me? No. Lockdowns? No. Character assassination of public health officials? Yes. The list goes on. He's certainly not a punter as far as I know. Never seen him post a thing about girls.

RE your point about brothels being left out of reopening plans, yeah I'll admit I'm hurting from that just like any other punter, BUT, we need to look at it strictly from a public health perspective without being biased by what we want, politics or ideology. They said all those venues can reopen, but masks are still mandatory in all of them at all times. That point alone completely excludes brothels because everybody knows you can't possibly keep a mask on doing the "activities" you do in a brothel.

[Rooster18]

Odds are getting shorter for those who put their hard earnt on late Oct.. Looks like stage 2 roadmap of 80% double vaxed could be the opening of massage joints at least?

[PoohBear]

Odds are getting shorter for those who put their hard earnt on late Oct.. Looks like stage 2 roadmap of 80% double vaxed could be the opening of massage joints at least?

Looks like I’m getting a return (pun intended) for my pineapples come October 18! 🤣

It’s officially announced that 80% vaccination target is when massage shops will reopen.
https://www.nsw.gov.au/sites/default/files/2021-09/FACT%20SHEET.pdf

[limbi8888]

damn i thought they were coming on the 11th Oct

[youngnfun]

Looks like I’m getting a return (pun intended) for my pineapples come October 18! 🤣

It’s officially announced that 80% vaccination target is when massage shops will reopen.
https://www.nsw.gov.au/sites/default/files/2021-09/FACT%20SHEET.pdf

It's still not clear if they only mean regular massage shops or whether R&T would technically be allowed too?

[Vader]

It's still not clear if they only mean regular massage shops or whether R&T would technically be allowed too?

Licensed RNT are under the same rules as brothels

[youngnfun]

Licensed RNT are under the same rules as brothels

Which ones are unlicensed? Or does that just mean dogy secretive ones or something

[aussiegaigin]

It's still not clear if they only mean regular massage shops or whether R&T would technically be allowed too?

Previously, regulations refer to venues offering "sexual services" as the criteria, whether "licenced" or not.

"Licenced RnT" are mostly shops that have brothel licences, but dont offer FS. 227 Broadway is one such shop, there are probably a couple of others.