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[Massageloverbris]

At a popular shop today walked in I checked in on the app but I said to her u double vac ? She gave me blank stare and Ahh yes yes I said can u show me ? No no private I left ..
I know u probably got more chance of picking up a std but now I ain’t taking the chance more so I don’t want be locked in for 7 days and partner asking why .. fuck that least private’s morE discreet less chance

[lashings74]

But you’ve already checked in yourself ? Any of the staff or punters around that time test positive… then you’re getting pinged regardless… and you’ll have to explain yourself to the missus. You might as well have just stayed


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[alexchinn]

why do people assume that double vac means you can't be a carrier ?

[The Dominator]

lol…. Good luck with the privates… Private services such as hairdressing and massage there are no requirement that customers have to be double vaccinated but employees must be double vaccinated . My perception is that a shops governance will be better than a pimps governance

[Kowabunga]

Early indications are that Omicron is more contagious and less severe. Indications that it affects the upper respiratory system and multiplies at a great rate in that part of the body like a cold rather than lower lungs like pneumonia.
At some stage we'll move into a different mode with how the virus is handled.
It needs to become "endemic" as in everywhere and commonplace. With majority of persons having some level of immune resistance.
The balancing act for health authorities is "managing" this transition of a far more contagious less severe strain that could still provide numbers of critical cases.
This time around it is watching the level of severe cases as the limiting factor. (Lower proportion of severe cases as a percentage of case numbers but much higher cases numbers may still lead to concerning levels of severe cases still).
Death rates in the elderly in Australia initially were absolutely horrendous. Most deaths overall were from a fraction of the cases in the elderly age bracket. The death rate is much lower now. A combination of better treatments at all stages plus immune resistance provided by vaccines ... and as time progresses .. from catching a weaker strain.
The new normal will be that catching covid becomes more "common".

The important thing is that despite being vaccinated or having had covid previously, people are still catching Omicron. Vaccinations help provide the immune resistance to have a mild case ... but you can still catch it again.

[Massageloverbris]

Pubs bit different as everyone needs to be vaciinated massage shops no requirement for staff to be so yes I will ask if they don’t want to show or put finger over name so I can see green tick then they won’t get my business .. they way the virus is pressing g so fast just matter of time be in massage shops then u all be complaining

[HST]

Pubs bit different as everyone needs to be vaciinated massage shops no requirement for staff to be so yes I will ask if they don’t want to show or put finger over name so I can see green tick then they won’t get my business .. they way the virus is pressing g so fast just matter of time be in massage shops then u all be complaining
As someone else said if you've already checked in so your details are there if there's an issue at the shop. Plus you are standing right in front of this girl talking to her so if she hasn't been vaccinated you have had close contact with her anyway...

[alexchinn]

what is the difference between someone vaccinated and someone not ? do you mean to say the one vaccinated cannot be a carrier and so you cannot get Omicron thru her ?

[Kowabunga]

Yes, you can catch Covid of you are vaccinated and still transfer it.
We are entering on the phase where we can all look forward to catching it.
... and less emphasis on getting tested and tracing it.
The light at the end of the tunnel?

[alexchinn]

QUOTE=Kowabunga;2290998]Yes, you can catch Covid of you are vaccinated and still transfer it.
We are entering on the phase where we can all look forward to catching it.
... and less emphasis on getting tested and tracing it.
The light at the end of the tunnel?[/QUOTE]

so if there is no difference, why are the non-vaxxed people refused entry at certain venues ?

[alexchinn]

Yes, you can catch Covid of you are vaccinated and still transfer it.
We are entering on the phase where we can all look forward to catching it.
... and less emphasis on getting tested and tracing it.
The light at the end of the tunnel?

so if there is no difference, why are the non-vaxxed people refused entry at certain venues ?

[popeye96]

so if there is no difference, why are the non-vaxxed people refused entry at certain venues ?

While being vaccinated won't stop you getting the virus, it does reduce the chances of you infecting others if you do get it. It all comes down to the Governments duty of care to those that are unable to be vaccinated for medical reasons.

[Kowabunga]

Well said Popeye.
Being vaccinated will reduce the severity in the majority of cases.
Hence reduce the effort and work load by the health system through reduced numbers requiring hospital care.

[alexchinn]

While being vaccinated won't stop you getting the virus, it does reduce the chances of you infecting others if you do get it. It all comes down to the Governments duty of care to those that are unable to be vaccinated for medical reasons.

no, that is not true.

[popeye96]

no, that is not true.

What part isn't true?

[alexchinn]

What part isn't true?

<<While being vaccinated won't stop you getting the virus, it does reduce the chances of you infecting others if you do get it.>>

this part is certainly not true. stop spreading lies.

[popeye96]

<<While being vaccinated won't stop you getting the virus, it does reduce the chances of you infecting others if you do get it.>>

this part is certainly not true. stop spreading lies.

Can you read? Can you use google? Try doing both sometime before you accuse me of spreading lies. I guess you also believe the earth is flat.

[Kowabunga]

I've read a few scholarly articles analysing the difference in rates of transmission when you're asymptomatic and when you're symptomatic.
... and conclusion ...
The rate of transmission is lower when you're asymptomatic.
Let's clarify some definitions:
Pre-symptomatic. You've caught the virus but are not showing symptoms yet. Soon you will be as you become symptomatic. So this describes the stage for persons that become symptomatic but do not show symptoms yet. The distinction is important.
Symptomatic. You have covid and have the symptoms. However mild or severe.
Asymptomatic. You have covid and do not show any symptoms. None.

Having covid and currently not showing symptoms means you could be pre-symptomatic (you will show symptoms later) or asymptomatic (never show symptoms).

Consider that as you breathe, talk, shout, sing, or cough ... you propell moist respiratory particles into the air.
If you are covid infected these particles can be loaded with the virus. These can be breathed in directly by persons near you or can land on surfaces and then be picked up by another person touching that surface.
Coughing ejects the most moist respiratory particles into the air. Which is why it's always recommended to cover your mouth if Coughing.
Persons that are symptomatic will invariably cough (especially now with the Omicron variant).
Hence symptomatic persons can cough and splutter out more virus loaded moist respiratory particles than a person that is asymptomatic or ... displaying much less severe symptoms.
Vaccinated persons mostly have much reduced symptoms.
Hence vaccinated persons have a much reduced risk of transmitting the covid virus.

Believe it or not ...

[bouncybouncy]

<<While being vaccinated won't stop you getting the virus, it does reduce the chances of you infecting others if you do get it.>>

this part is certainly not true. stop spreading lies.

There's a reasonable expectation that being vaccinated will reduce the chance of infecting others:
https://www.thelancet.com/journals/laninf/article/PIIS1473-3099(21)00690-3/fulltext
https://theconversation.com/no-vaccinated-people-are-not-just-as-infectious-as-unvaccinated-people-if-they-get-covid-171302

Specifcally -

Infectiousness of breakthrough infections can be measured by viral densities. Higher SARS-CoV-2 viral density in the upper airways of people infected with the virus are thought to increase transmission to household members.5, 6 If vaccines reduce viral density in those who do become infected despite vaccination, it would probably lead to lower infectiousness and less onward transmission. Hence, the authors compared the viral kinetics in breakthrough delta variant infections in vaccinated people with delta variant infections in unvaccinated people. They report that peak viral loads showed a faster decline in vaccinated compared with unvaccinated people, although peak viral loads were similar for unvaccinated and vaccinated people.

The argument is, if you're vaccinated, you carry relatively reduced viral load even if infected, and this translates directly to reduced infectiousness. I'm no expert, just found this on google, open to further evidence... let's hear it.

[miata]

<<While being vaccinated won't stop you getting the virus, it does reduce the chances of you infecting others if you do get it.>>

this part is certainly not true. stop spreading lies.

Stop calling other forum members liars without any substantive reasoning. You're coming across as immature and self-righteous.

[alexchinn]

Stop calling other forum members liars without any substantive reasoning. You're coming across as immature and self-righteous.

pathetic, creating another id and then defending yourself. pathetic parenting got to you.

[alexchinn]

There's a reasonable expectation that being vaccinated will reduce the chance of infecting others:
https://www.thelancet.com/journals/laninf/article/PIIS1473-3099(21)00690-3/fulltext
https://theconversation.com/no-vaccinated-people-are-not-just-as-infectious-as-unvaccinated-people-if-they-get-covid-171302

Specifcally -


The argument is, if you're vaccinated, you carry relatively reduced viral load even if infected, and this translates directly to reduced infectiousness. I'm no expert, just found this on google, open to further evidence... let's hear it.

"thought to increase"

a lot is still not known about this disease. a lot of it is still guesswork.

they say wearing masks is supposed to help. if it were so, why are so many people still getting it ? or do they mean the ones getting it are the ones not wearing masks ?

[Kowabunga]

Hi alexchinn.
I don't think there is much more we can do to help you.
There is a lot that is known now about Covid and how to treat it, sure we are still fighting it worldwide... but to say it's just "guesswork"?
Vaccines were developed in record time, other treatments are now also available when hospitalised.
You may not be aware, the death rate in the elderly has been reduced from about 22% in the beginning to around1.6% now.
For the <70 yr population in Australia, the death rate was initially around 0.2%. Very low. Now around 0.01% approximately.
The severe illness and death rates are way lower now.
None of this is "guesswork".

BTW: deaths from the flu in 2019 was around 940.

Can't help you much more than that.

[Scotty from Marketing]

"thought to increase"

a lot is still not known about this disease. a lot of it is still guesswork.

they say wearing masks is supposed to help. if it were so, why are so many people still getting it ? or do they mean the ones getting it are the ones not wearing masks ?
Most people catch it in their homes where people don’t wear masks.

If you walk around a shopping centre observe the following:
How many people don’t wear masks including children
Those that wear masks but dont cover their nose. Sure glad I don’t breathe in or out through the nose
How many fidget with their masks with their filthy fingers

If you wear your mask, sanitise your hands before putting your hand anywhere near your face and keep socially distant and your chances are heavily minimised. Your home is where you are most likely to catch it though.

[ecchi.gaijin]

Hi alexchinn.
I don't think there is much more we can do to help you.
There is a lot that is known now about Covid and how to treat it, sure we are still fighting it worldwide... but to say it's just "guesswork"?
Vaccines were developed in record time, other treatments are now also available when hospitalised.
You may not be aware, the death rate in the elderly has been reduced from about 22% in the beginning to around1.6% now.
For the <70 yr population in Australia, the death rate was initially around 0.2%. Very low. Now around 0.01% approximately.
The severe illness and death rates are way lower now.
None of this is "guesswork".

BTW: deaths from the flu in 2019 was around 940.

Can't help you much more than that.

Care to demonstrate where you pulled those stats out of your ass?

https://www.abs.gov.au/articles/covid-19-mortality-1#covid-19-mortality-by-age-and-sex

[Kowabunga]

Care to demonstrate where you pulled those stats out of your ass?

https://www.abs.gov.au/articles/covid-19-mortality-1#covid-19-mortality-by-age-and-sex

I get them from this website from the Australian Department of Health.
They've been reporting and updating data on cases and deaths broken into deciles ... from the start.

https://www.health.gov.au/health-alerts/covid-19/case-numbers-and-statistics

Hope that assists your endeavours.

[ecchi.gaijin]

I must be a bit confused then, because the only data I can see on the website you claim to get your information from is for total deaths to date, and the figures don't match your percentages.

[Kowabunga]

I must be a bit confused then, because the only data I can see on the website you claim to get your information from is for total deaths to date, and the figures don't match your percentages.
They actually don't calculate death rates.
They provide cases and death stats updated daily.
I started recording the data early on and calculating the death rate for the "young" and "elderly".
I noted that most deaths were in the elderly age bracket. Small portion of the cases and most of the deaths.
Most actually were in Victoria. I think we could have done much better to look after the elderly in a coordinated and controlled way.
As time progressed, I saved out the aggregated stats up to that point.
I did that a few times.
Firstly once vaccinations were ramping up, and again when Omicron appeared.
Because I have the separate stats up to those times I can separate out the death rates up to and within those periods.
I'm still waiting for the latest stats to build up ... but overwhelming evidence on the study I've done myself is that the death rate is coming down significantly.

For me it's a combination of:
- vaccinations
- better hospital treatment
- milder variant.

What I think from here on is that:
- focus is now on hospitalisations and not cases.
- less emphasis on testing and contact tracing.
- rules around contact tracing and when you get tested etc ... will change.
- subsequently there will be more people with covid without that being known (like a bigger area under the tip of the iceberg. Bigger than before).
- most people will catch covid in 2022.

Saying all that. I'm currently in quarantine awaiting a test result. Fair chance I've got it but not certain.
Two members of immediate family group are tested positive. One in hospital.

[Kowabunga]

good on you for the stats. your older person data should be broken down further, into aged care and not aged care. imo.

https://www.theklaxon.com.au/home/comment-colbeck-drsarahrussell

hope your family and you fare well.

Thanks Leon.
The data I'd like to see from here is:
- hospitalisations broken down into vaccinated or not.
- ICU broken down into vaccinated or not.
- deaths broken down into broken down into vaccinated or not.
- - hospitalisations broken down into which variant.
- ICU broken down into which variant.
- deaths broken down into broken down into which variant.

Information is light.

[RottenLittlePunt]

Calculating new deaths as a percentage of new case numbers is a flawed analysis. Mortality rate is the number of deaths as a percentage of total resolved cases (recovered + dead). The new infections are yet to be decided whether they will live or die so including them in your analysis makes the results flawed. You are also assuming that the time frame for someone to go from infection/detection to death is a constant.

[joeblow251]

Thanks for the links to the stats peoples - interesting to pawn through them and get some actual facts. I definitely would like to see the death split between number into ICU and deaths based on double vaccinated, single vaccinated, and non vaccinated to get a real picture.

[joeblow251]

"thought to increase"

a lot is still not known about this disease. a lot of it is still guesswork.

they say wearing masks is supposed to help. if it were so, why are so many people still getting it ? or do they mean the ones getting it are the ones not wearing masks ?


That's where stats that have been un-adjusted should answer all those questions - the premier doesn't provide (as far as I'm aware) any information on "the science" they have followed to justify their actions.....

[Joejohnson8]

Very informative boys, last place to expect this from lol. Keep it up

[Kowabunga]

you're familiar with this site yeh?

https://www.covid19data.com.au/vaccination-status
Thanks Leon. This looks good.