DFK, BBBJ, DATY - arent they unsafe sex?

[ucokrajameong]

I noticed these are normal & happen regularly based on AR’s. But aren’t they regarded as unsafe sex? (Along with rimming also - perhaps)

I’m just curious why so many people do them without fear or contracting STD’s

Or am I wrong? That they’re not regarded as “unsafe sex”??

[cuteguy]

I noticed these are normal & happen regularly based on AR’s. But aren’t they regarded as unsafe sex? (Along with rimming also - perhaps)

I’m just curious why so many people do them without fear or contracting STD’s

Or am I wrong? That they’re not regarded as “unsafe sex”??

They are unsafe sex practices and you can catch STIs. Having a bbbj can expose you to chlamydia or gonorrhoea. Even going down on someone can expose you to herpes or genital warts. Rimming can expose you to certain harmful bacteria.

[storry_teller]

Dk but I only want to do DFK and BBBJ with lover so probably no need to worry about unsafe sex then

[ucokrajameong]

They are unsafe sex practices and you can catch STIs. Having a bbbj can expose you to chlamydia or gonorrhoea. Even going down on someone can expose you to herpes or genital warts. Rimming can expose you to certain harmful bacteria.

Yeh agree with you.

But looking at the AR’s in this forum, so many are doing them. 100% of the time I went to FS places, the WL always want to do BBBJ without me asking. I had to always (politely) stop them and ask for CBJ instead. So it’s almost like a normal service to give BBBJ

[Vader]

They are unsafe sex practices and you can catch STIs. Having a bbbj can expose you to chlamydia or gonorrhoea. Even going down on someone can expose you to herpes or genital warts. Rimming can expose you to certain harmful bacteria.

Don't forget when herpes when receiving bbbj

[thefatness]

They are unsafe practices and as with anything in life carries risks in this case of contracting STIs/STDs.

Many punters and MLs/WLs are willing to tolerate this risk for the tradeoff of “better service” especially bbbj and dfk are almost standard across many asian FS establishments.

Some on this forum are even willing to do bbfs including myself. Bb anal would be the riskiest of all as you’re more likely to expose yourself and the receiving partner to microscopic tears increasing the likelihood of blood to blood contact.

Each to their own. We partake in this hobby sometimes not thinking about the risk in the heat of the moment but we all know it’s there.

[cuteguy]

Yeh agree with you.

But looking at the AR’s in this forum, so many are doing them. 100% of the time I went to FS places, the WL always want to do BBBJ without me asking. I had to always (politely) stop them and ask for CBJ instead. So it’s almost like a normal service to give BBBJ

Yeah BBBJ is seen as normal these days but it has risks. Most Asian WLs will do it unlike Caucasian WLs. However, the longer the WLs work the more they will be willing to do diamond services that can bring risks to their health as well as to their customers.

[solidsnake]

Yeh agree with you.

But looking at the AR’s in this forum, so many are doing them. 100% of the time I went to FS places, the WL always want to do BBBJ without me asking. I had to always (politely) stop them and ask for CBJ instead. So it’s almost like a normal service to give BBBJ

Me too, I got f’ing gonorrhoea years back from a BBBJ years back from a WL (probably only on my 10th punt ever). Only CBJs for me ever since.

[someguy88]

Aside from STDs, assuming part of the concern is a partner finding out about your side hobby.

There's also the risk of Speeding/traffic infringements or even some form of car accident on the way to a punt. Could be hard to explain, especially if you got a dash cam in your car and they want to see how it happened.

Don't know how the odds conpare of a ticket/accident vs std from bbj, but it's definitely not insignificant.

[Rogeryou]

I have had that many Bbbjs never caught anything.
After smashing Rebecca at Ginza I thought I caught something (I didn’t, just I reemed her so hard the head of my cock was killing me for days)

Anyhow got paranoid at the time and went to the STI clinic and got the all clear.

The Dr told me anything that you might catch from a bbbj can be sorted with no long lasting affects.

[ucokrajameong]

I have had that many Bbbjs never caught anything.
After smashing Rebecca at Ginza I thought I caught something (I didn’t, just I reemed her so hard the head of my cock was killing me for days)

Anyhow got paranoid at the time and went to the STI clinic and got the all clear.

The Dr told me anything that you might catch from a bbbj can be sorted with no long lasting affects.

So Doc was saying hiv for example is not transmissible on BBJB? Well, that’s a bit of good news isnt it?

Good thing you’ve got the all clear mate

[BennyB]

Everything in life and sex is potentially unsafe.

Even having sex with a condom is potentially unsafe.

The only safe thing to do is stay at home and masturbate.

What specifically are you afraid of and why?

[StiFFFy]

Everything in life and sex is potentially unsafe.

Even having sex with a condom is potentially unsafe.

The only safe thing to do is stay at home and masturbate.

What specifically are you afraid of and why?That's not safe either.
If youre doing it with porn you'll get addicted. Also might have heart attack mid act and die.

Life itself is risk

[BennyB]

Thsys not safe either.
If youre doing it with porn you'll get addicted. Also might have heart attack mid act and die.

Life itself is risk

Very true. Monastic life? I hear that’s a bugger…

[Rogeryou]

So Doc was saying hiv for example is not transmissible on BBJB? Well, that’s a bit of good news isnt it?

Good thing you’ve got the all clear mate

Yes I spoke to the Dr and a nurse both said anything you might get from a Bbbj can be sorted 100% with no life long lasting effects. Had copious amounts of Bjjj never caught anything.

Imo the most unsafe places to have sex or bbbj is in those cubical passage suburban places with no showers. I try to avoid those zero hygiene.

[cryptex]

HPV vaccine like Gardasil 9 approved for man. You should invest it in to get some protection from the most serious HPVs.

[buckjoe23]

Ok let’s get some facts straight.

1. Oral sex is a far less risky proposition for the receiver than the giver across all STIs. Even for the giver it’s a less risky proposition than vaginal and anal. However, HPV has caused an increase in throat cancer due to the destigmatisation of oral sex over time.

2. Re HPV, if you’re far enough down the sexual path to think you might have needed Gardisil, you’re too late. +80% of the population have HPV and there are more than 80 variants. Which variant/s you have and how they manifest is the question. One man’s genital warts is another man’s Asymptomatic never to be seen hidden issue.

3. Oral Gonorrhoea- gets a lot of press. Primarily an issue in men who have sex with men but not exclusively. One bonus - penile Gonorrhoea never hides its symptoms so you have to get something done about it. It’s called “the drip” for a reason. The burning urine isn’t good either.

4. HIV is incredibly hard to acquire. Receptive anal with an ejaculation received inside from a positive man with a high viral load is still only around 1 in 500. There is an increase in receptive vaginal - why? Because men who have sex with men who contract it then go home and transmit it. But the vaginal walls are strong and it is more difficult to contract than through the anus. Men getting HIV from women is incredibly rare unless there is an open route for transmission e.g. a Syphilis sore and she has a high viral load.

5. Unprotected vaginal sex is most likely to result in Chlamydia - easy to clear up. Antibiotic resistant Gonorrhoea is on the increase in South East Asia but it can be stopped with generation 4 antibiotics such as moxofloxicin.

6. Condoms are effective in preventing STIs, full stop. But….Herpes is spread by direct contact so if your balls happen to run against a herpes sore even though your penis is covered you may still get herpes. And an estimated 25% of sexually active people will have it.

In short work out your own risk profile and how you wish to behave and what consequences you’re willing to deal with. I’m a strategic risk taker based on the stats, but I’d never recommend this to anyone else - you have to take control of your own risks.

Oh - and an ability to self diagnose and medicate puts me in a position of advantage.

[Tcopaspro]

Yeah. Due to the increased risk of sti's from direct skin to skin contact and there might be some micro wounds thats not visible

Anyway bro. Your name sounds familiar. Maybe we come from the same place? Jkt?

[Markin]

Ok let’s get some facts straight.

1. Oral sex is a far less risky proposition for the receiver than the giver across all STIs. Even for the giver it’s a less risky proposition than vaginal and anal. However, HPV has caused an increase in throat cancer due to the destigmatisation of oral sex over time.

2. Re HPV, if you’re far enough down the sexual path to think you might have needed Gardisil, you’re too late. +80% of the population have HPV and there are more than 80 variants. Which variant/s you have and how they manifest is the question. One man’s genital warts is another man’s Asymptomatic never to be seen hidden issue.

3. Oral Gonorrhoea- gets a lot of press. Primarily an issue in men who have sex with men but not exclusively. One bonus - penile Gonorrhoea never hides its symptoms so you have to get something done about it. It’s called “the drip” for a reason. The burning urine isn’t good either.

4. HIV is incredibly hard to acquire. Receptive anal with an ejaculation received inside from a positive man with a high viral load is still only around 1 in 500. There is an increase in receptive vaginal - why? Because men who have sex with men who contract it then go home and transmit it. But the vaginal walls are strong and it is more difficult to contract than through the anus. Men getting HIV from women is incredibly rare unless there is an open route for transmission e.g. a Syphilis sore and she has a high viral load.

5. Unprotected vaginal sex is most likely to result in Chlamydia - easy to clear up. Antibiotic resistant Gonorrhoea is on the increase in South East Asia but it can be stopped with generation 4 antibiotics such as moxofloxicin.

6. Condoms are effective in preventing STIs, full stop. But….Herpes is spread by direct contact so if your balls happen to run against a herpes sore even though your penis is covered you may still get herpes. And an estimated 25% of sexually active people will have it.

In short work out your own risk profile and how you wish to behave and what consequences you’re willing to deal with. I’m a strategic risk taker based on the stats, but I’d never recommend this to anyone else - you have to take control of your own risks.

Oh - and an ability to self diagnose and medicate puts me in a position of advantage.

great info, thanks!

you seem to know your stuff, I assume that you are you a medical practitioner of some kind?

[GoldfishMan]

RE risk level between BBBJ and BB vaginal sex. I reckon BBBJ would carry a higher risk (for the recipient at least) because it is more likely for someone to have open sores in their mouth than in their vagina. The mouth is used for eating, a lot of objects that could potentially cause cuts are put in there, and don't forget there are teeth in them. One can accidentally bite themselves, or get open cuts from teeth brushing.
None of these could happen to a pussy.

I also think, when research is done on these risk levels, they do not consider this context of how that certain orifice is used on a daily basis.

[limbi8888]

Me too, I got f’ing gonorrhoea years back from a BBBJ years back from a WL (probably only on my 10th punt ever). Only CBJs for me ever since.

this is why i only do cbj, i'm paranoid about it

[mustyincognito]

There is some good info posted in this thread. The bottom line is DFK, BBBJ, DATY are considered unsafe because there is fluids exchange and no barrier protection against STIs. Bareback is riskier than protected sex which is riskier than celibacy. Of course, the degree of risk is relative to the punter but I would imagine even if STIs are mostly curable, they would still be an ordeal to go through.

[ucokrajameong]

Yeah. Due to the increased risk of sti's from direct skin to skin contact and there might be some micro wounds thats not visible

Anyway bro. Your name sounds familiar. Maybe we come from the same place? Jkt?

Close. Sby, but originally, donkeys years ago. Have no idea about punting down there lol.
May be you can share your Jkt punting experience!

[vitrium]

Ok let’s get some facts straight.

1. Oral sex is a far less risky proposition for the receiver than the giver across all STIs. Even for the giver it’s a less risky proposition than vaginal and anal. However, HPV has caused an increase in throat cancer due to the destigmatisation of oral sex over time.

2. Re HPV, if you’re far enough down the sexual path to think you might have needed Gardisil, you’re too late. +80% of the population have HPV and there are more than 80 variants. Which variant/s you have and how they manifest is the question. One man’s genital warts is another man’s Asymptomatic never to be seen hidden issue.

3. Oral Gonorrhoea- gets a lot of press. Primarily an issue in men who have sex with men but not exclusively. One bonus - penile Gonorrhoea never hides its symptoms so you have to get something done about it. It’s called “the drip” for a reason. The burning urine isn’t good either.

4. HIV is incredibly hard to acquire. Receptive anal with an ejaculation received inside from a positive man with a high viral load is still only around 1 in 500. There is an increase in receptive vaginal - why? Because men who have sex with men who contract it then go home and transmit it. But the vaginal walls are strong and it is more difficult to contract than through the anus. Men getting HIV from women is incredibly rare unless there is an open route for transmission e.g. a Syphilis sore and she has a high viral load.

5. Unprotected vaginal sex is most likely to result in Chlamydia - easy to clear up. Antibiotic resistant Gonorrhoea is on the increase in South East Asia but it can be stopped with generation 4 antibiotics such as moxofloxicin.

6. Condoms are effective in preventing STIs, full stop. But….Herpes is spread by direct contact so if your balls happen to run against a herpes sore even though your penis is covered you may still get herpes. And an estimated 25% of sexually active people will have it.

In short work out your own risk profile and how you wish to behave and what consequences you’re willing to deal with. I’m a strategic risk taker based on the stats, but I’d never recommend this to anyone else - you have to take control of your own risks.

Oh - and an ability to self diagnose and medicate puts me in a position of advantage.

And this is why I don't kiss or do BBBJ. And always use a franger!

People here can do whatever the hell they want. It's your body. And your risk.

But I won't be caught dead taking stupid risks like that. No thanks.

NSI (non-specific-infections) are also very common. It's when normal bacteria from someone else's body provokes an immune response in your body. Very common to get it from BBBJs. Any old bacteria from the mouth get's in to your urethra and can cause a mild infection.

I got an NSI from the very first BBBJ I ever had. Ended up needing to get tested (which came back clear) but I had symptoms and needed to take a short course of antibiotics. Which cleared it up.

Always dommed up after that.

[Xorro]

DFK - Love DFK, but in punting situations, have mostly avoided this for years due to the risk of HSV-1, Glandular fever and more recently Covid. I do a bit of LFK with the WL if I can’t resist though.
BBBJ - Only CBJ for me when punting
DATY - used to love DATY with WLs but after invariably ending up a sore throat on the following day, I don’t do DATY either.

Even though I go with ‘safe and standard’ services from WLs, I usually pay for the ‘diamond’ service option which I treat as a tip to the girl in advance of the session - it’s usually worked out well for me in terms of the overall level of service.

[buckjoe23]

Everyone needs to assess their own risk profile and be able to live with the consequences. If they can’t live with the consequences then they shouldn’t be doing what they’re doing.

[StiFFFy]

DFK - Love DFK, but in punting situations, have mostly avoided this for years due to the risk of HSV-1, Glandular fever and more recently Covid. I do a bit of LFK with the WL if I can’t resist though.
BBBJ - Only CBJ for me when punting
DATY - used to love DATY with WLs but after invariably ending up a sore throat on the following day, I don’t do DATY either.

Even though I go with ‘safe and standard’ services from WLs, I usually pay for the ‘diamond’ service option which I treat as a tip to the girl in advance of the session - it’s usually worked out well for me in terms of the overall level of service.A man after my own heart! I'm the same man, I have to lick EVERYTHING, and yes, it puts you at higher risk.
As for the throat infection during DATY, it happens. Means you likely swallowed some of her juices and developed a throat infection. Usually clears in its own

[BennyB]

I've been punting once a week for years. MLs / WLs / Sugarbabes. I prefer everything natural - oral, FS, anal.

It pays to not only check the facts about STIs and how they can be acquired, but also to understand the prevalence in the environments you are punting and use both the severity and the prevalence to work out your risk rating.

If you are seriously at a point where you are terrified to kiss a WL because you think you may get an STI, then it's probably time to go and do some medical research of your own. If that fails, I would give up punting for life. It's just not going to be enjoyable carrying around those levels of anxiety about things you cannot control.

I mainly contribute to the Sugarbabe threads and I can say that I also feel much more confident with BBFS, BBAnal, BBBJs, rimming, DATY and the rest with someone who is not working multiple customers, day after day doing the same thing.

That's just my personal preference. Not a recommendation for anyone else. You have to work out your own view of what is a risk to you.

[Xorro]

A man after my own heart! I'm the same man, I have to lick EVERYTHING, and yes, it puts you at higher risk.
As for the throat infection during DATY, it happens. Means you likely swallowed some of her juices and developed a throat infection. Usually clears in its own

Yes, in my case too the sore throat clears up after a few days post DATY on a WL - it’s a case of oral thrush.
Never once had this issue when DATYing a non-WL.

Maybe the Michael Douglas case made me a little more wary too. If you’re wondering what I’m referring to, here’s some info:
https://www.cbsnews.com/news/oral-sex-and-throat-cancer-michael-douglas-hpv-report-spotlights-epidemic/

Personally, I decided it wasn’t worth the hassle or risk for me but to each his own.

[StiFFFy]

Damn.... Thanks Xorro you've given me a new perspective to think about.

[mysteryman56]

I must say many people out there receiving DFK and BBBJ may not aware of the risks

[Vader]

I must say many people out there receiving DFK and BBBJ may not aware of the risks

If that's the case they must be living under a rock

[CharlieM]

FMD! After a year break Finally built up the courage to return to FS punting mid January and you guys are turning me off again. Hey, and I'm not the type to go FS and abstain from doing what really makes the session enjoyable. Yep, BBBJ, DFK, DATY and Rimming giving and taking. I want all these things. Only thing I won't do is fuck without a Dom. My only fear has been not of contracting some disease but more about handing it over to my wife. How much would I feel like a cunt if this was to happen. Looks like its back to RnT for me.

[GoldfishMan]

FMD! After a year break Finally built up the courage to return to FS punting mid January and you guys are turning me off again. Hey, and I'm not the type to go FS and abstain from doing what really makes the session enjoyable. Yep, BBBJ, DFK, DATY and Rimming giving and taking. I want all these things. Only thing I won't do is fuck without a Dom. My only fear has been not of contracting some disease but more about handing it over to my wife. How much would I feel like a cunt if this was to happen. Looks like its back to RnT for me.
Better dom up for the HJ. Even with a HJ you could catch something if her hands were not clean.

[ch4nkei]

Well thats why it’s call punting

[punter00]

As the saying goes.. don't be silly, wrap your willy.

[stapman]

I noticed these are normal & happen regularly based on AR’s. But aren’t they regarded as unsafe sex? (Along with rimming also - perhaps)

I’m just curious why so many people do them without fear or contracting STD’s

Or am I wrong? That they’re not regarded as “unsafe sex”??

Of course they are risky. 100% unsafe? Well I wouldn't say 100% but it's a risk that many take. While I would say most girls would check themselves regularly and be careful when doing their customer by checking then first it will never be 100%. One of the reasons why we call it a punt.

[Vader]

Of course they are risky. 100% unsafe? Well I wouldn't say 100% but it's a risk that many take. While I would say most girls would check themselves regularly and be careful when doing their customer by checking then first it will never be 100%. One of the reasons why we call it a punt.

What are girls doctors as well? A lot of std's can only be detected by swabs or blood tests.

[vnflame]

It is risky so take extra protection if you want. Everything is a choice

[stapman]

What are girls doctors as well? A lot of std's can only be detected by swabs or blood tests.

Yep hence why is said it will never be 100%. Some things are visible, some things aren't.

[poida]

Best to jerk yourself off at home. Even RNT isnt 100% safe. End of day its punting, gamble at your own risk.

[JJBlows]

this is why i only do cbj, i'm paranoid about it

There's a reason why they call gonn "the drip", won't stop oozing out

[vnflame]

Best to jerk yourself off at home. Even RNT isnt 100% safe. End of day its punting, gamble at your own risk.

Must wear gloves too

[Oosuki]

I haven't been a fan of dfk and daty due to the amount of other punters already going to town already there but bbbj is a different story, its just a lot more nicer to feel however the chances of catching an std are still there mainly if theres cuts in the ML/WL mouth that is if she was already positive. I guess its just time to be more weary and accept those risks

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