ml shop FS service vs wl shop FS

[Seafood]

Lately I’ve been getting FS from massage shops rather than FS shop.
I like to have good massage then transition to sex. NHJ doesn’t do it for me, difficult getting over the line.
Also I find FS girls quality has declined while cost has increased; although FS at massage shop costs more, massage fee plus extras cost, I don’t mind, there’s also the fun of negotiating, although I find most ml will provide the extras.
Ml tell me it empowers them to decide if they want to offer FS as opposed to no choice in wl shop, so I find service generally better.
Thoughts?

[Sibon]

I haven't met a ML who doesn't do FS in the massage shops I've been to in the past several months.

[EYA06072021]

I haven't met a ML who doesn't do FS in the massage shops I've been to in the past several months.
You haven’t been to enough shops then

[warwick1]

I really don't think Sibon has been to any, all in his tiny mind...........

[tawer5ag]

I try to chase fs from mls as well.
It feels good being chosen by some of them for fs.
Knowing they dont easily offer fs.

Ive seen girls who keep opening up more and more after each session.

And from my limited brothel experience and mostly massage experience, theres more younger mls.

These younger ones seem to enjoy getting pleased and their body played with, and turns out to be good gfe, which is what i like.

Some open up more extras, like fiv, bj, use of toys on them, etc.
Basically theyre more open minded in the sense that theyre not as jaded in the industry that they would just be distant during the session.
And you feel it when the girl just flat out says no beyond nhj and doesnt even let you touch outside.

And i dont know if its just me, but since mls dont offer it to all their customers, it feels tighter down there.

That being said, ive only met a few mls who let me just play with them, or get the extras for a huge chunk of the session.
And usually you really only pop once.


For wls though, at least on n5m and 42g, you get what youre paying for, usually.
At least 2 pops, wl even initiates the 2nd one.
You get cim if you want.
Not sure about fiv as jay didnt let me [emoji28].
Saw a review saying fia was fine with her though.


But there are also dud wls, where you dont feel as good about the experience.



Ive had a talk with one wl and she said, she didnt like the whole brothel thing as she has to literally fuck all her customers.
She would love to be able to choose who can do what with her body.

I told her she can at least refuse the initial wave of customer based on race/ethnicity but after that, she can see a customer once and tell the shop that she doesnt want to see the guy after.

But i told her, that would be very taxing for everyone.



So yeah, theres the certainty of getting what you are paying for in brothels. For massage shops, its the thrill of everything, not knowing what extras would be available, the tease, and imo just the overall idea of younger ladies.




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[MrPerson126]

I agree. With WLs, it's just a bit too matter-of-fact. Pay up, then they strip off, maybe have a shower with you, and on to business. I've had some that literally haven't spoken in the entire session. It feels a little dehumanizing sometimes (well... it is the sex trade, so I understand it is dehumanizing to an extent). Kinda like just hiring a body for a session without even a person in it.

With MLs, there's a bit more back and forth, rapport building. With some of the MLs, there's a bit of a challenge to it. FS is never guaranteed, and sometimes it's almost not even an option. It does feel a bit better when you have to work for it a little bit, rather than just 'here's the pineapple, spread your legs'. I find MLs are more talkative and fun than most WLs too. A lot of WLs, especially now, are pretty dark and depressed seeming.

[MrPerson126]

I agree. With WLs, it's just a bit too matter-of-fact. Pay up, then they strip off, maybe have a shower with you, and on to business. I've had some that literally haven't spoken in the entire session. It feels a little dehumanizing sometimes (well... it is the sex trade, so I understand it is dehumanizing to an extent). Kinda like just hiring a body for a session without even a person in it.

With MLs, there's a bit more back and forth, rapport building. With some of the MLs, there's a bit of a challenge to it. FS is never guaranteed, and sometimes it's almost not even an option. It does feel a bit better when you have to work for it a little bit, rather than just 'here's the pineapple, spread your legs'. I find MLs are more talkative and fun than most WLs too. A lot of WLs, especially now, are pretty dark and depressed seeming.

[Sibon]

You haven’t been to enough shops then

I only need to visit 2 or 3 shops for my needs.

[cuteguy]

I agree. With WLs, it's just a bit too matter-of-fact. Pay up, then they strip off, maybe have a shower with you, and on to business. I've had some that literally haven't spoken in the entire session. It feels a little dehumanizing sometimes (well... it is the sex trade, so I understand it is dehumanizing to an extent). Kinda like just hiring a body for a session without even a person in it.

With MLs, there's a bit more back and forth, rapport building. With some of the MLs, there's a bit of a challenge to it. FS is never guaranteed, and sometimes it's almost not even an option. It does feel a bit better when you have to work for it a little bit, rather than just 'here's the pineapple, spread your legs'. I find MLs are more talkative and fun than most WLs too. A lot of WLs, especially now, are pretty dark and depressed seeming.

Many WLs have become too mechanical and just want to get it over and done with as soon as possible. At least with MLs if they can communicate in English then you can enjoy some interaction with them during the massage.

[triedforonce]

I love extras, and don't mind pay for it, however you will need investment to know which ML will give you (good) extra. I used to like having pursue ML for this, but lately prefer FS shop, it's certain and u get what u paid for, the enjoyment start from the first minute. Also the FS at massage shops come at 2nd half, and it's limit you the time (of course unless you are the regular)...

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[BLEPSICHUNGUS]

Lately I’ve been getting FS from massage shops rather than FS shop.
I like to have good massage then transition to sex. NHJ doesn’t do it for me, difficult getting over the line.
Also I find FS girls quality has declined while cost has increased; although FS at massage shop costs more, massage fee plus extras cost, I don’t mind, there’s also the fun of negotiating, although I find most ml will provide the extras.
Ml tell me it empowers them to decide if they want to offer FS as opposed to no choice in wl shop, so I find service generally better.
Thoughts?

Interesting thought process, i mean i totally get it. FS has been kinda mediocre lately, hopefully that will change as the borders open up a little more. I generally stay away from a massage before i punt because i'd fall asleep on the table lol

[Sibon]

Many WLs have become too mechanical and just want to get it over and done with as soon as possible. At least with MLs if they can communicate in English then you can enjoy some interaction with them during the massage.

Have 15 minutes chatting with the WL and you'll find the other 15 minutes totally worthwhile.

I only chat with them in Mandarin and they soften up somewhat and melt into a shy girlfriend demeanor as I enter them.

[Sibon]

Many WLs have become too mechanical and just want to get it over and done with as soon as possible. At least with MLs if they can communicate in English then you can enjoy some interaction with them during the massage.

Have 15 minutes chatting with the WL and you'll find the other 15 minutes totally worthwhile.

I chat with them in Mandarin and they soften up somewhat and melt into a shy girlfriend demeanor as I enter them.

[Seafood]

I try to chase fs from mls as well.
It feels good being chosen by some of them for fs.
Knowing they dont easily offer fs.

Ive seen girls who keep opening up more and more after each session.

And from my limited brothel experience and mostly massage experience, theres more younger mls.

These younger ones seem to enjoy getting pleased and their body played with, and turns out to be good gfe, which is what i like.

Some open up more extras, like fiv, bj, use of toys on them, etc.
Basically theyre more open minded in the sense that theyre not as jaded in the industry that they would just be distant during the session.
And you feel it when the girl just flat out says no beyond nhj and doesnt even let you touch outside.

And i dont know if its just me, but since mls dont offer it to all their customers, it feels tighter down there.

That being said, ive only met a few mls who let me just play with them, or get the extras for a huge chunk of the session.
And usually you really only pop once.


For wls though, at least on n5m and 42g, you get what youre paying for, usually.
At least 2 pops, wl even initiates the 2nd one.
You get cim if you want.
Not sure about fiv as jay didnt let me [emoji28].
Saw a review saying fia was fine with her though.


But there are also dud wls, where you dont feel as good about the experience.



Ive had a talk with one wl and she said, she didnt like the whole brothel thing as she has to literally fuck all her customers.
She would love to be able to choose who can do what with her body.

I told her she can at least refuse the initial wave of customer based on race/ethnicity but after that, she can see a customer once and tell the shop that she doesnt want to see the guy after.

But i told her, that would be very taxing for everyone.



So yeah, theres the certainty of getting what you are paying for in brothels. For massage shops, its the thrill of everything, not knowing what extras would be available, the tease, and imo just the overall idea of younger ladies.

Yeah, ml tend to be younger and less jaded, also if offer extras more on the menu, don’t mind fiv as wl do, even finger in ass



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Agree ml tend to be younger and if offer extra allow more and are less jaded. Wl mostly don’t allow fiv, most ml I’ve seen don’t mind even finger in ass while sex

[PKING2]

Agree ml tend to be younger and if offer extra allow more and are less jaded. Wl mostly don’t allow fiv, most ml I’ve seen don’t mind even finger in ass while sex

Depends on how you behave. If you respect and treat them right, you might get plenty extra not from the list

[Sibon]

That's the magic of punting.
The simplicity of it.
Just walk in with a fistful of cash and fuck young pretty girls who in the real world wouldn't piss on you if you were on fire.
No need to send endless texts and have coffees, and drinks, and meals, and presents, and making endless banal small talk, and listening to all their problems, and giving them shit advice.
Nah, none of that shit!
Just walk in and fuck them.
And after you have fucked them walk away hassle free. No texts, no consequences, no dramas, no nothing.
Just move on to the next girl.
And if you really like her, just come back next week. pay and fuck her again.
Fucking beautiful!

Now you go and tell that to sugar daddies who wine and dine the girls, sweet talk them, book a hotel room and pay them $600 to get inside their pants.

[Sibon]

That's the magic of punting.
The simplicity of it.
Just walk in with a fistful of cash and fuck young pretty girls who in the real world wouldn't piss on you if you were on fire.
No need to send endless texts and have coffees, and drinks, and meals, and presents, and making endless banal small talk, and listening to all their problems, and giving them shit advice.
Nah, none of that shit!
Just walk in and fuck them.
And after you have fucked them walk away hassle free. No texts, no consequences, no dramas, no nothing.
Just move on to the next girl.
And if you really like her, just come back next week. pay and fuck her again.
Fucking beautiful!

Now you go and tell that to sugar daddies who wine and dine the girls, sweet talk them, book a hotel room and pay them $600 to get inside their pants.

[GoldfishMan]

Great thread, OP! This topic has hardly been explored, especially comparing between sex with WL vs sex with ML.
I’ll give my facts:
- Roughly 70% of my punts at RNTs turn into FS. More often than not, but defo not all the time!
- I’ve had more BBFS at RNTs than at FS shops. In terms of number of girls, the difference is even larger!
- The likelihood of having a connection with the girl and having better chemistry during the sex is definitely skewed toward RNTs. As others have said, FS shop experience is too much “wham bam thank you ma’am “ to get much chemistry going. Having said that, I have clicked with a few and they were also memorable!
- The moment when the girl in the RNT seals the deal with you for sex is actually quite awkward, memorable, and sexy at the same time! It’s a unique experience that you can never get at an FS shop I reckon!

There is however a huge downside to FS at an RNT. No bed! I really hate fucking on that stupid narrow massage table. It’s also bad for your knees if you go doggy styles because of the lack of proper cushioning!

[GoldfishMan]

Now you go and tell that to sugar daddies who wine and dine the girls, sweet talk them, book a hotel room and pay them $600 to get inside their pants.
According to the SD sifu here, all that only cost them 300 bucks all up. Either he can’t count or that story came from the 80’s!

[PKING2]

There is however a huge downside to FS at an RNT. No bed! I really hate fucking on that stupid narrow massage table. It’s also bad for your knees if you go doggy styles because of the lack of proper cushioning!

Yo goldman, you need to check diva body tone. They have bed lol, and some are mls some are wls.

[GoldfishMan]

Yo goldman, you need to check diva body tone. They have bed lol, and some are mls some are wls.
Yeah I know they have the amenities but generally most RNTs don't have beds. Another exception is SS when Nana had the private apartment setup alongside her usual shop but I'm not sure if she's still doing that. There is also a downside to having only a bed without a massage table. You'd want to have both... Massage on the table, fuck on the bed. Best of both worlds, or have your cake and eat it too, lol!

[wilisno]

Yeah I know they have the amenities but generally most RNTs don't have beds. Another exception is SS when Nana had the private apartment setup alongside her usual shop but I'm not sure if she's still doing that. There is also a downside to having only a bed without a massage table. You'd want to have both... Massage on the table, fuck on the bed. Best of both worlds, or have your cake and eat it too, lol!
Burwood 8 has both. ;) ;) ;) At least in some rooms when it was also an FS shop.

[Sibon]

Burwood 8 has both. ;) ;) ;) At least in some rooms when it was also an FS shop.

Most massage beds are too tall for having sex.

However I discovered the massage tables of a small burwood shops are lower. They had wooden legs instead of metal legs.

And in a different shop not far away in one of the largest room they had a double bed beside massage bed. The ML and I went from bed to massage table then back to bed like kids in a playground.

[wilisno]

Most massage beds are too tall for having sex.
.

I’m talking about full size bed.

[PunterGhost]

Questions to the more experienced bros
- how many times did you go to an ML before FS was offered?
- how much was the damage (typically)?

[Sibon]

Questions to the more experienced bros
- how many times did you go to an ML before FS was offered?
- how much was the damage (typically)?

Almost all the MLs I've seen offer FS. People said you got to work the girls to get FS. I was a bit smarter I told mamasan to send the FS girl into the room. I sucked up and flirted with Mamasan making her like me.

Usually $170 in Chinese shops for an hour. Some may ask for $220 and I would walk away.

However there are more experienced brothers here who could tell us better ways to get FS.

[warwick1]

A quote from the great George Costanza, "It's not a lie if you believe it".....Keep it up Sibon

[GoldfishMan]

Questions to the more experienced bros
- how many times did you go to an ML before FS was offered?
- how much was the damage (typically)?
With the MLs that I've had sex with, it happened on the first visit almost 100% of the time. There was only 1 exception from memory, but that was my own fault because I got too smashed in a company function before the session.

On the flipside, I've also tried repeat visits on those that didn't offer FS, 100% never worked. That's why in my book, repeat visits do not work if you're hoping to get FS. Do it only if you like what she offers. It makes sense if you think about it. The fact that you're returning to her when she's only offering up to NHJs tells her that, well, NHJs are enough. Why would she go the extra mile?

Cost... It's a big range and it includes those that had a set price and those that just left it to me to pay them what I wanted to pay. Minimum I've paid was $0 (I'm still kicking myself for not following through on that one!), to $500 (I know what happened in there and it was well worth it). Those with a set price ranged from $100 to $300.

[AHLUNGOR]

Burwood 8 has both. ;) ;) ;) At least in some rooms when it was also an FS shop.

Burwood 8 also had the two holes massage tables as well. Not sure if those tables are still there.

The renovated licensed brothel Diva 43 have full on luxury beddings plus a massage table in their rooms. At the other end of the scale, people can try the cheaper and run down version of combined bed and table at 485 Leichhardt

[AHLUNGOR]

Yeah I know they have the amenities but generally most RNTs don't have beds. Another exception is SS when Nana had the private apartment setup alongside her usual shop but I'm not sure if she's still doing that. There is also a downside to having only a bed without a massage table. You'd want to have both... Massage on the table, fuck on the bed. Best of both worlds, or have your cake and eat it too, lol!

In the good old days of Stanmore, room 1 had a bed in it too ! Funny thing was I actually never used that room…….. lol

Madam also rented a separate unit upstairs at the resident and used it for regulars who needed a bed……. Haha , again, I never got a chance to do anything upstairs.

[AHLUNGOR]

Yo goldman, you need to check diva body tone. They have bed lol, and some are mls some are wls.

I’m still regretting that I missed out in fucking Mia either in the bed or on the table, she bloody totally empty my bullets inside the shower on that chair !

[AHLUNGOR]

I haven't met a ML who doesn't do FS in the massage shops I've been to in the past several months.

I wish I have had your success rates or optimism!

May be you have never met a ML who won’t even strip off to give you a HJ ? After seeing her like 30 times !!

[PunterGhost]

With the MLs that I've had sex with, it happened on the first visit almost 100% of the time. There was only 1 exception from memory, but that was my own fault because I got too smashed in a company function before the session.

On the flipside, I've also tried repeat visits on those that didn't offer FS, 100% never worked. That's why in my book, repeat visits do not work if you're hoping to get FS. Do it only if you like what she offers. It makes sense if you think about it. The fact that you're returning to her when she's only offering up to NHJs tells her that, well, NHJs are enough. Why would she go the extra mile?

Cost... It's a big range and it includes those that had a set price and those that just left it to me to pay them what I wanted to pay. Minimum I've paid was $0 (I'm still kicking myself for not following through on that one!), to $500 (I know what happened in there and it was well worth it). Those with a set price ranged from $100 to $300.

Thanks GoldfishMan. You make some very good points above.

Maybe I should check out a few MLs and see who would provide extra service.

[PunterGhost]

Almost all the MLs I've seen offer FS. People said you got to work the girls to get FS. I was a bit smarter I told mamasan to send the FS girl into the room. I sucked up and flirted with Mamasan making her like me.

Usually $170 in Chinese shops for an hour. Some may ask for $220 and I would walk away.

However there are more experienced brothers here who could tell us better ways to get FS.

Great idea - get in the mamasan’s good books so she can send in the right ML to the room

[Aloscha]

For me, the difference is simple.

- I have rarely visited RnT shops and though I like the massage portion of the service and Part 2 HJ, there is no guarantee of Part 3 FS.

- Yes you may get that as you build up a connection with a ML over a few visits but I think it's the thrill of chasing that possibility that keeps guys coming back.

- in FS shops, I agree some of the girls are jaded from the work. Who wouldn't? You're having sex with strange men for 5-10 hours a day.

- however, as with picking up or just being a general human being, showing a bit of kindness and respect goes a long way to having a WL treat you well despite how she may feel about the job.

- plus, I paid for the FS service and that's what I'll get. Not hoping on the second or third visit to a ML that I'll strike gold.

These are purely my views only from my experiences so not disagreeing with anyone else on this thread.

[PunterGhost]

For me, the difference is simple.

- I have rarely visited RnT shops and though I like the massage portion of the service and Part 2 HJ, there is no guarantee of Part 3 FS.

- Yes you may get that as you build up a connection with a ML over a few visits but I think it's the thrill of chasing that possibility that keeps guys coming back.

- in FS shops, I agree some of the girls are jaded from the work. Who wouldn't? You're having sex with strange men for 5-10 hours a day.

- however, as with picking up or just being a general human being, showing a bit of kindness and respect goes a long way to having a WL treat you well despite how she may feel about the job.

- plus, I paid for the FS service and that's what I'll get. Not hoping on the second or third visit to a ML that I'll strike gold.

These are purely my views only from my experiences so not disagreeing with anyone else on this thread.

Great summary mate!
Fingers crossed that I strike gold one of these day 😂

[Aloscha]

Great summary mate!
Fingers crossed that I strike gold one of these day ��

Do what GoldfishMan does and check for FS availability first lol. Hedge your bets, strike the gold (or pussy in this case lol)

[PKING2]

- in FS shops, I agree some of the girls are jaded from the work. Who wouldn't? You're having sex with strange men for 5-10 hours a day.

- however, as with picking up or just being a general human being, showing a bit of kindness and respect goes a long way to having a WL treat you well despite how she may feel about the job.

- plus, I paid for the FS service and that's what I'll get. Not hoping on the second or third visit to a ML that I'll strike gold.

These are purely my views only from my experiences so not disagreeing with anyone else on this thread.

Yes this one so true, need to be a kind person, don't be stingy especially with the time( not the booking time, but how you spent the time that you buy to be with her ).

There is 2 ocassion that I remember when book 1 hour.

1. Finish at 4o mins mark, and she looks tired. I said to her. Just relax take rest, I am gonna take shower. After that I get prepared to leave. But still have 15 mins left, I don't wanna go out early, because maybe can cause her a problem with management. So we sat fully cloth and talk. She said . She never met a customer like me. If this her last shift, she will take me dinner with her. Lol and she asked book me last hour next time and we go dinner. I didn't follow up but up until now.

2. The girl just start as she come to the room and greet me, she looks worry. I asked what happened. She said she lost her phone. I told her if you want search first all good. She said she just call one more time and we can continue. After first round. She asked can she use phone to call her other phone. I said you welcome, you can go outside as well to check if you drop it somewhere. She went out. And I took shower. About 15 mins later she back and she found her phone, hugging me and say thank you many times. She said I made her day because her first customer so nice and kind. And next time she would bring her home made food for me. Lol a bit unexpected turn of event. I haven't meet her back. So who knows lol.

So as bro aloscha said. Treat them like human being.

[PunterGhost]

Do what GoldfishMan does and check for FS availability first lol. Hedge your bets, strike the gold (or pussy in this case lol)

Definitely looking to do this the next time I head to an RnT.

[PunterGhost]

Yes this one so true, need to be a kind person, don't be stingy especially with the time( not the booking time, but how you spent the time that you buy to be with her ).

There is 2 ocassion that I remember when book 1 hour.

1. Finish at 4o mins mark, and she looks tired. I said to her. Just relax take rest, I am gonna take shower. After that I get prepared to leave. But still have 15 mins left, I don't wanna go out early, because maybe can cause her a problem with management. So we sat fully cloth and talk. She said . She never met a customer like me. If this her last shift, she will take me dinner with her. Lol and she asked book me last hour next time and we go dinner. I didn't follow up but up until now.

2. The girl just start as she come to the room and greet me, she looks worry. I asked what happened. She said she lost her phone. I told her if you want search first all good. She said she just call one more time and we can continue. After first round. She asked can she use phone to call her other phone. I said you welcome, you can go outside as well to check if you drop it somewhere. She went out. And I took shower. About 15 mins later she back and she found her phone, hugging me and say thank you many times. She said I made her day because her first customer so nice and kind. And next time she would bring her home made food for me. Lol a bit unexpected turn of event. I haven't meet her back. So who knows lol.

So as bro aloscha said. Treat them like human being.

Number 1 was a great suggestion. I did finish one of my sessions early as Part 1 felt okay but I was really keen on Part 2. Finished with 10 mins to spare and when asked for a head massage -
I just said that we can just get changed and chat.

Didn’t get a dinner invite but probably because there was a customer right after me 😂

[youngheart]

Burwood 8 also had the two holes massage tables as well. Not sure if those tables are still there.

The renovated licensed brothel Diva 43 have full on luxury beddings plus a massage table in their rooms. At the other end of the scale, people can try the cheaper and run down version of combined bed and table at 485 Leichhardt

Its a shame they don't maintain the spa bath they have :(

[GoldfishMan]

Pking2 bro, that’s so true, don’t be a fucking taskmaster in there, lol!

I sometimes read the ARs people put up here and think WTF, is that what you call a good time? Sounds more like an aerobics class, seriously. Not only do you put pressure on the girl, you’re also putting pressure and unnecessary potential for disappointment on yourself. Like you’ve got a checklist of things you HAVE to do, you then end up being hard on yourself for missing 1 or 2. WTF for, right?

[asiafever]

I don't mind the massage tables, some are better than others but I never have a problem with my knees etc. If you find it a bit tough switch things up, move her to the edge and go standing, the last ml I had fs with we did this so I could play with her magnificent e cups with both hands and she could wrap her legs right around my back. I did want to flip her over for doggy on that sumptuous booty, but she seemed to be enjoying things just as they were. Maybe next time.

[1inchguy]

don't be stingy especially with the time.

She never met a customer like me

Treat them like human being.
Definitely this. I've been seeing this ml for few times now and each visit she does things extra. Eventually she starts suggesting i could see her at the end of the day or she would wait for me after work. Maybe get something to eat then fuck all night.
Occasionally during massage she would say she loves me and i'm hers. Not sure if she's legit but i didn't take her seriously.

[cumquat]

I only need to visit 2 or 3 shops for my needs.

Toys r us , kid stuff , dick smith ?

[GoldfishMan]

Definitely this. I've been seeing this ml for few times now and each visit she does things extra. Eventually she starts suggesting i could see her at the end of the day or she would wait for me after work. Maybe get something to eat then fuck all night.
Occasionally during massage she would say she loves me and i'm hers. Not sure if she's legit but i didn't take her seriously.
Bro, when a girl says “you’re hers”, it usually means you can be her steady guy if you want to, she’ll sort everything else out on her side. Not saying it’sa good idea, though!

[TwiceAweek]

Yes this one so true, need to be a kind person, don't be stingy especially with the time( not the booking time, but how you spent the time that you buy to be with her ).

There is 2 ocassion that I remember when book 1 hour.

1. Finish at 4o mins mark, and she looks tired. I said to her. Just relax take rest, I am gonna take shower. After that I get prepared to leave. But still have 15 mins left, I don't wanna go out early, because maybe can cause her a problem with management. So we sat fully cloth and talk. She said . She never met a customer like me. If this her last shift, she will take me dinner with her. Lol and she asked book me last hour next time and we go dinner. I didn't follow up but up until now.

2. The girl just start as she come to the room and greet me, she looks worry. I asked what happened. She said she lost her phone. I told her if you want search first all good. She said she just call one more time and we can continue. After first round. She asked can she use phone to call her other phone. I said you welcome, you can go outside as well to check if you drop it somewhere. She went out. And I took shower. About 15 mins later she back and she found her phone, hugging me and say thank you many times. She said I made her day because her first customer so nice and kind. And next time she would bring her home made food for me. Lol a bit unexpected turn of event. I haven't meet her back. So who knows lol.

So as bro aloscha said. Treat them like human being.100%

Point 1 I usually ask if they want to finish up early to meet more customers and make some more money [emoji383] or chill out and have a rest.

The thought alone goes along way for most and always remembered on the next visit.

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[Sibon]

I wish I have had your success rates or optimism!

May be you have never met a ML who won’t even strip off to give you a HJ ? After seeing her like 30 times !!

I only see a few selected MLs in two or three selected shops.

[PunterGhost]

Bro, when a girl says “you’re hers”, it usually means you can be her steady guy if you want to, she’ll sort everything else out on her side. Not saying it’sa good idea, though!

I’m curious… does this mean that when you go steady - she stops being an ML? And does that mean that you become a sugar daddy?

[PKING2]

I’m curious… does this mean that when you go steady - she stops being an ML? And does that mean that you become a sugar daddy?

Or become the real daddy for her

[Aloscha]

I’m curious… does this mean that when you go steady - she stops being an ML? And does that mean that you become a sugar daddy?

My regular once told me "my pussy is yours, you can do whatever you want". Does that count? :)

[GoldfishMan]

I’m curious… does this mean that when you go steady - she stops being an ML? And does that mean that you become a sugar daddy?
That depends on what you are capable of from a financial and social point of view. My advice is don't do it, even if you're loaded and have no partner.

[PKING2]

That depends on what you are capable of from a financial and social point of view. My advice is don't do it, even if you're loaded and have no partner.

Agree with this one, maybe yes as a regular, and maybe meet outside of the shop. But don't fall to "the trap".

[warwick1]

Toys r us , kid stuff , dick smith ?

Not forgetting the Aquarium Shops............

[PunterGhost]

Agree with this one, maybe yes as a regular, and maybe meet outside of the shop. But don't fall to "the trap".

Agree. I thought the whole point was to have ‘no strings attached’. This felt like a cage + handcuffs + straight jacket

[Johnisfun1969]

Now you go and tell that to sugar daddies who wine and dine the girls, sweet talk them, book a hotel room and pay them $600 to get inside their pants.

Fair point I am one of them and have forked out 700 to have sex with one girl who did not give bbbj and sex only once. But then there are others who are in there 20s and enjoy the experience and definitely l have couple of orgasm during the session. Also there is less time pressure. Usually it is 2-3 hours spent together whether it is drinking at a bar or in the room.


But this is still an interesting thread as one Thai ML after the second massage an hj told me in North Sydney massage they offer fs. So Insaw her 5-6 times. And one in Epping massage where I had DFK and pussy play I missed out on FS. I thought I was lucky she allows dfk and touching the pussy.

[1inchguy]

Bro, when a girl says “you’re hers”, it usually means you can be her steady guy if you want to, she’ll sort everything else out on her side. Not saying it’sa good idea, though!

I would think its just good customer service and stroking my ego
she would also say "my number one" etc. Think i'll just take a break from seeing her for awhile.

[max_power]

Never understood the concept of fs in massage shop. $70ph plus tip usually $100 to bang on a massage table with one shot. Fs shop 1 hour, 2 shots, on a bed with a shower with a more variety of girls and the girls are there for fs. Just seems like a better deal

[tawer5ag]

Never understood the concept of fs in massage shop. $70ph plus tip usually $100 to bang on a massage table with one shot. Fs shop 1 hour, 2 shots, on a bed with a shower with a more variety of girls and the girls are there for fs. Just seems like a better dealWith my limited wl experience.
Id say i have seen younger mls and more of my type in terms of looks, attitude and connection.

And uhm, im not that big down there, but ive been told im a bit girthier than normal asians.
And since not all mls offer fs to everyone, they tend to be tighter and feel better imo.

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[cuteguy]

Never understood the concept of fs in massage shop. $70ph plus tip usually $100 to bang on a massage table with one shot. Fs shop 1 hour, 2 shots, on a bed with a shower with a more variety of girls and the girls are there for fs. Just seems like a better deal

The majority of MLs (that offer part 3) will offer standard and not diamond service. The FS shops are mostly catering for diamond service and encouraging their girls to do diamond service because they can charge more. Therefore if guys want standard service they may want to turn to MLs who provide such service in this case. Another point to mention is a WL will see every guy and have sex with them. A ML can choose if she wishes to offer part 3 to a customer.

[Bredandwine]

Yeah agreed with this - the excitement of negotiating part 3 adds to the thrill of it as well. With a massage it gets very sensual and you can ease into it as opposed to walking to a FS shop, showering and banging. Might be different for everyone, some guys just want a root and some guys just want something a bit more emotional than that.

[Jesus666]

I haven't met a ML who doesn't do FS in the massage shops I've been to in the past several months.

Obvious that you do not live in Wollongong..lol

To get FS from a massage shop here requires either 1) Slowly building a relationship with a particular lady, 2) Plain very lucky.

I know what other posters have said about the slow build up you get during a massage. For that I go Sutherland where a couple of massage shops will offer FS.

[Hustler2]

Hi,I am heading up to the airport in 3 weeks from wollongong.I was thinking of calling into grey street or reborn massage on the way back. Do you know if these two shops are good options or is there better places. Thanks.

[cuteguy]

Obvious that you do not live in Wollongong..lol

To get FS from a massage shop here requires either 1) Slowly building a relationship with a particular lady, 2) Plain very lucky.

I know what other posters have said about the slow build up you get during a massage. For that I go Sutherland where a couple of massage shops will offer FS.

When there are many RNT shops and competition then there's more on offer. The girls will be keen to provide more to attract customers and make more money. Out of curiosity, how many RNT shops are in Wollongong?

[spacekid2020]

I do prefer FS from massage....price is similar, but the feeling is different, especially when you get the girl going. Post COVID, seems like more ML offering FS now

[woods23]

No comparison - ML beat WL hands down . Except for k Summer at Kyoto.

The chance you run into a over work WL is to is much greater ...the sex is
usually crap....u can't do this you can't that ...ahhh it hurt...not to deep ...cum baby..body pos badly..legs up...huge fake moan haha omg bloody shut up :shout:

With ML - not all but most do enjoy the time nd sex with you , the kissing is more passionate...very different feeling!

[The Sampler]

I enjoy the build up to FS from the ML, as well as the added massage, which is part of that build up lol.

[cuteguy]

No comparison - ML beat WL hands down . Except for k Summer at Kyoto.

The chance you run into a over work WL is to is much greater ...the sex is
usually crap....u can't do this you can't that ...ahhh it hurt...not to deep ...cum baby..body pos badly..legs up...huge fake moan haha omg bloody shut up :shout:

With ML - not all but most do enjoy the time nd sex with you , the kissing is more passionate...very different feeling!

You're right. There is no way a WL can maintain her service at a high standard if she is seeing many customers per day. In some shops 8 or more customers per day certainly will take its toll on a girl.

MLs may see many customers per day but the work is not as demanding and involving lots of physical work. They can massage and this may make their hands sore but at least the work is not as demanding as in the FS shops. Don't know about the kissing. Most MLs will not kiss unlike WLs.

[woods23]

MLs may see many customers per day but the work is not as demanding and involving lots of physical work. They can massage and this may make their hands sore but at least the work is not as demanding as in the FS shops. Don't know about the kissing. Most MLs will not kiss unlike WLs.

I don't let My ML work at all I look after them the whole session... No sore hands with me but they will get a " Sore pussy " instead haha :p :p

[cuteguy]

I don't let My ML work at all I look after them the whole session... No sore hands with me but they will get a " Sore pussy " instead haha :p :p

You're such a gentleman Woods23. Looking after their hands. 😆

[jamesglen]

quick question, do you guys use your own dom or ml supplied?

[HardCore]

Always take my own, that way I get one that fits and gives the best feeling.

[ditchtheboss]

I have been doing only WL for 3 years with COVID in the middle. I am thinking of trying a ML after reading all the different perspectives. I would love to have a ML to progress to FS during the session. Top Ryde Massage on Pope street is convenient to me. Any recommendations on girls to book and the ones to avoid? Thanks in advance