Falling for a ML

[Eggs.Fertiliser]

So everynow and then I saw on reddit/quora threads some poor dudes became infatuated with certain ML/WL. I recalled certain thread in Sydney forum about such topic too

For the life of me I can't imagine falling in love with a girl ready to strip and stroke another man penis without hesitation.

All of the MLs I've seen are nice, but it's part of their job to get the customer paying for extras. Most lie about their ages, have boyfriends they come back to after a day job of rubbing other men's dicks, are terrible with English and have no other soft skills. In short, they are like that public restroom men come in to relieve themselves...

I respect them as normal workers doing useful job, and not causing any harm. but I can never bring myself to like any of them after walking out of the shop, let alone falling for them

Any experience on your ends?

[BrisbanePunter22]

It’s an interesting subject and like most subjects will have differing opinions.

I have had relationships with two WL over my time and so here are my comments.

At the end of the day any relationship will have issues and the secret to making a relationship work is open and honest communication. If you can accept what the WL is doing to earn a dollar and you both can agree on what your boundaries/expectations are then you can actually have a normal relationship with these girls. They are like anyone else and if treated right they will do the same to you.

Not for everyone but I would prefer to have a relationship with an honest ML/WL who tells me what is going on and respecting boundaries that have been discussed rather than with a non working girl who lies to you and is having unprotected sex with random guys without your knowledge - been there as well.

Each to their own but don’t discount it is my advice.

[Eggs.Fertiliser]

It’s an interesting subject and like most subjects will have differing opinions.





than with a non working girl who lies to you and is having unprotected sex with random guys without your knowledge - been there as well.

Each to their own but don’t discount it is my advice.

been there too mate, reason why I can't get into relationship again and started punting.

but tbh it doesn't help I'm getting a more distorted view about women, and everything about them seems so fake and transactional

[4FoW2]

been there too mate, reason why I can't get into relationship again and started punting.
but tbh it doesn't help I'm getting a more distorted view about women, and everything about them seems so fake and transactional
In my experience all relationships are transactional- whether on a conscious or unconscious level each person is looking for something that they think they need.
I believe for many women, as it has been for centuries, their number one priority is security. I believe many men are still driven by the basic instinct of finding mates to procreate with. As you grow older this drive seems to dwindle and men find themselves looking for a life long partner.
Now you might think this is a overly pragmatic view but to me, in any situation dealing with males and females, if you start from the point, what has each got to gain or loose from it, then I believe you're not far from seeing the situation as it is, not what you think it to be.
And it should be noted that although this seems harsh and morally unethical, it is not wrong and doesn't mean that you cannot still have a mutually beneficial relationship with that person.
Remember to know someone else, first you must know yourself.
Apologies if this is too deep and meaningful for some.
BYVMD
4F0W2

[Yellow Fever]

I’ve been out for lunch with a couple of ML’s that left the industry….I guess many guys have?
Both wanted to explore the possibility of a relationship….nothing to with visas, or any of that BS.
I couldn’t possibly commit….it’s a trust thing, or lack of, on my behalf.
In their defence, both explained, working in the shops is just a job…nothing more, nothing less.

Both of these ML’s have since seemed to have transitioned to normal life.
Just normal jobs, normal girls, not wanting to connect to their past occupation?

I dunno…it’s not a pathway I’d tread.
Each to their own, I guess?

As for participating in a relationship with a ML/WL, that’s currently employed, ‘working’….that would happen in my lifetime.

[carlco777]

been there too mate, reason why I can't get into relationship again and started punting.

but tbh it doesn't help I'm getting a more distorted view about women, and everything about them seems so fake and transactional

women have been known to fake orgasms. do men fake orgasms ?

if women can fake even this, do you think a woman can be 100% trusted ? will you marry someone who pleasures someone else for money ? and if they say they do it for the money, and it is massage only, how can you be 100% sure she did not provide FS ? how do you know while she is doing the massage that the guy did not touch her or make her want it ? and is she able to control or does she give in ? and do you trust her answers ?

all these questions, well, i guess i'm better off not needing to be asking them.

[Holdan]

I was married to a ML. When we met she did FS and agreed to stop FS and BBBJ when we married. She worked form a unit near the city. After we married, we moved into a house and she worked from one of the bedrooms. She insisted on keeping the city unit for her regular customers. I was a little put off by that, knowing that she did FS in that unit. However, I let it slide as she had promised to stop FS. The other warning bell that I also ignored was on our wedding night she wanted me to drop her at the city unit for a booking with a regular customer. I declined that request and reminded her that this was our wedding night. Anyway, late on I found out she was still doing FS and other things, so I left her. So for me, trust was really important (as it is for any relationship) and she broke that trust.

[RLC]

So everynow and then I saw on reddit/quora threads some poor dudes became infatuated with certain ML/WL. I recalled certain thread in Sydney forum about such topic too

For the life of me I can't imagine falling in love with a girl ready to strip and stroke another man penis without hesitation.

All of the MLs I've seen are nice, but it's part of their job to get the customer paying for extras. Most lie about their ages, have boyfriends they come back to after a day job of rubbing other men's dicks, are terrible with English and have no other soft skills. In short, they are like that public restroom men come in to relieve themselves...

I respect them as normal workers doing useful job, and not causing any harm. but I can never bring myself to like any of them after walking out of the shop, let alone falling for them

Any experience on your ends?

Each person’s experience will be different. For me, all my experiences were about what I could give them as follows:
1) A Stripper: Purely about the money/gifts. At some point this changed a bit and I think she viewed me as Daddy material for her son (the real Dad was a junkie). I suspected that she was trying to secretly get pregnant from me to this end so I distanced myself a bit. My suspicions were correct when a mate of mine, told me his work colleague got her pregnant about 3 months later.

2) Stripper/WL: This one definitely was looking for a Daddy for her kid. Likewise was looking for me to get her pregnant. Real fun in the sack and everytime I would drive somewhere she would be sucking me off- not sure how I never crashed! Got real clingy so I told her I moved interstate to get away from her.

3) WL: This one was a complete liar from get-go but damn hot Japanese girl who at the time I was not aware was a WL. In hindsight all she was looking for was a visa to stay and if I wasn’t so wrapped in her I should have noticed all the warning signs but didn’t. Was paying for her lifestyle basically (along with a number of others) and only all came together when I caught her in public with another chump which got messy as he ended up wanting to fight me and tried and only gave up when he realised I was bigger, stronger and quicker than him- my proudest moment in the whole saga was despite him lunging at me 3 or so times I only pushed and deflected him away each time.

4) Stripper: This was the best experience I have had. She had been a stripper for like 3 years and I never had a dance with her ever. On her last night working she asked if I would be keen to see her and could she have my number. Caught up with, first thing she did was passionately kiss me and say ‘I have fantasised about this for a long time’. Didn’t last long but was great time while it lasted.

5) Stripper: Another great experience. She on a scale of 1-10 for hotness was a solid 12 and was on the cover of a few well-known magazines. I was wayyyy Out of my league but my 20yo bravado meant when I found out she was looking for a way to stay in Aus and was an aspiring model, I told her I had connections that could possibly help. The gods must have been smiling on me because somehow I actually delivered through pure dumb luck. For a couple of short weeks after the thanks I got was amazing.

6) ML: Purely wanted a visa and PR hence the motive for the relationship. I knew this from the start which was helped by the fact that despite her thinking she was tricky and sneaky she was thick as two planks. By this time I had the snip so no concerns about pregnancy. Got the fun I could out of it and when it got boring, she had already drifted on.

7) ML; Purely wanted to be showered in gifts and when she realised that gifts were not forthcoming, mainly because the thanks was not forthcoming as much as it should have been it ended. Got a text from her apologising for not spending enough time with me with some lame excuses but I never replied.

8) SB/WL: She never told me she was a WL but the ad I saw on Locanto with her picture confirming my suspicions. She just got too clingy too quick- I believe she genuinely wanted to be my GF but was just going to be too much bother.

[Eggs.Fertiliser]

Each person’s experience will be different. For me, all my experiences were about what I could give them as follows:
1) A Stripper: Purely about the money/gifts. At some point this changed a bit and I think she viewed me as Daddy material for her son (the real Dad was a junkie). I suspected that she was trying to secretly get pregnant from me to this end so I distanced myself a bit. My suspicions were correct when a mate of mine, told me his work colleague got her pregnant about 3 months later.

2) Stripper/WL: This one definitely was looking for a Daddy for her kid. Likewise was looking for me to get her pregnant. Real fun in the sack and everytime I would drive somewhere she would be sucking me off- not sure how I never crashed! Got real clingy so I told her I moved interstate to get away from her.

3) WL: This one was a complete liar from get-go but damn hot Japanese girl who at the time I was not aware was a WL. In hindsight all she was looking for was a visa to stay and if I wasn’t so wrapped in her I should have noticed all the warning signs but didn’t. Was paying for her lifestyle basically (along with a number of others) and only all came together when I caught her in public with another chump which got messy as he ended up wanting to fight me and tried and only gave up when he realised I was bigger, stronger and quicker than him- my proudest moment in the whole saga was despite him lunging at me 3 or so times I only pushed and deflected him away each time.

4) Stripper: This was the best experience I have had. She had been a stripper for like 3 years and I never had a dance with her ever. On her last night working she asked if I would be keen to see her and could she have my number. Caught up with, first thing she did was passionately kiss me and say ‘I have fantasised about this for a long time’. Didn’t last long but was great time while it lasted.



8) SB/WL: She never told me she was a WL but the ad I saw on Locanto with her picture confirming my suspicions. She just got too clingy too quick- I believe she genuinely wanted to be my GF but was just going to be too much bother.

That's quite an adventure mate! I guess you're the type that doesn't want to settle down with one girl. Very interesting tales nevertheless

[RLC]

That's quite an adventure mate! I guess you're the type that doesn't want to settle down with one girl. Very interesting tales nevertheless

Avoid where possible commitment 😂

Just trying to share my experiences- my #1 tip is to enjoy any extra time you get with a sex worker but don’t get in too deep mate.

[bradpitt]

any relationship which has money as a direct interaction is never going to survive in the long term.

better to look for partners that have common interests like chess club, online gaming, speedway, or whatever your actual interest is. jus be prepared to outsource and pay for your sexual fantasy on the side.

[Eggs.Fertiliser]

out of interest, I looked into the Singaporean punting thread of the same topic and fuck I can't stop laughing it's just pure comedies of real life stories of PRC girls coming to Singapore wrecking havoc on some poor singkie

and the dudes there are brutal, a lot less sentimental and polite than the good mates here. I've learned well

[Batting100]

out of interest, I looked into the Singaporean punting thread of the same topic and fuck I can't stop laughing it's just pure comedies of real life stories of PRC girls coming to Singapore wrecking havoc on some poor singkie

and the dudes there are brutal, a lot less sentimental and polite than the good mates here. I've learned well

Is it in English???? Can it be read by us coz that sounds gold

[Eggs.Fertiliser]

https://forums.hardwarezone.com.sg/threads/falling-in-love-with-a-massage-lady.6460385/page-3

[Ace01]

Singlish - English with asian culture

[Eggs.Fertiliser]

check out this thread:

http://www.aus99forum.com/showthread.php?108276-Clicking-with-a-WL-exchanged-numbers-and-she-asked-for-my-photo-What-the-hell-is-going-on

the poor dude

[jaccky]

Been there and bought the t-shirt. Your average ML gf is generally going to be a bit unstable, and the nature of the job will accentuate that instability. I recommend paying, doing the business and walking out the door. I think that in the end, with all things considered, this is how the relationship should operate. There truly are some horror stories on here.

[the gelding]

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[RLC]

the gelding recently unintentionally woo'd a lovely ml with emotional issues. He can no longer visit that shop because he had to "move interstate for a work project".

It is always good when business opportunities arise 😂 Did she insist on moving interstate with you? When in similar situation mine did, makes me thankful of my policy on sex workers to never take them home.

[Eggs.Fertiliser]

I generally found Korean MLs are less needy - they don't intend go settle down in Australia, and have no need for visa, PR. Same for Japanese MLs. Those are the girls I keep coming back to, knowing that they'll disappear one day without notice.

don't have much experience with Thai MLs, I find them harder to read than other girls. But they are generally not greedy

Chinese MLs are all about benefits and what you can provide/commited to provide them - once they ask for contact details I stop seeing them. Many of them are also on the older side, less attractive than others.

[gpeck80]

been there too mate, reason why I can't get into relationship again and started punting.

but tbh it doesn't help I'm getting a more distorted view about women, and everything about them seems so fake and transactional

Women are needy critters that use us men for our resources, confidence boosting compliments and validation. If and when they deem us surplus to their needs, usually when they encounter a man they FEEL he can satisfy their long list of needs better, they grow cold and move on. I dont see why we cant treat them the same way. It appears to be the only way a Man can win at least some of the battles.

[gpeck80]

I believe for many women, as it has been for centuries, their number one priority is security. I believe many men are still driven by the basic instinct of finding mates to procreate with. As you grow older this drive seems to dwindle and men find themselves looking for a life long partner.
BYVMD
4F0W2

No theyre needy creatures with a long list of things that require satisfaction. That list changes day to day. Security is just one of them. Because we all know the story of the nice guy that gave a woman security, only to have her suck three dudes off in a nightclub toilet when she got bored of all his non dramatic stable security.

Back when two parent families were the norm, girls grew up valuing that security. These days about 50% of children grow up in single parent/broken homes. Girls raised in this environment, seeing their mother pay the bills by herself, proves to young girls the oft quoted nonsense "I dont need no man" .. until they want to start a family of their own... and learn that their single mother on centrelink could pay the bills due to taxes, 70% of which is paid by Men, in a society made safe by men, organised by men, which would fall apart without men.

Women dont know what they want. They dont know what makes them happy. Thus no one can. I heard a joke the other day: Women dyeing their hair is proof not even God can make them happy.

[gpeck80]

I was married to a ML. When we met she did FS and agreed to stop FS and BBBJ when we married. She worked form a unit near the city. After we married, we moved into a house and she worked from one of the bedrooms. She insisted on keeping the city unit for her regular customers. I was a little put off by that, knowing that she did FS in that unit. However, I let it slide as she had promised to stop FS. The other warning bell that I also ignored was on our wedding night she wanted me to drop her at the city unit for a booking with a regular customer. I declined that request and reminded her that this was our wedding night. Anyway, late on I found out she was still doing FS and other things, so I left her. So for me, trust was really important (as it is for any relationship) and she broke that trust.

oh man Just wow.

[gpeck80]

By default I tell them I do worldwide sales. Lay down the foundations for your eventual "disappearance".

[Blueshirtguy]

No theyre needy creatures with a long list of things that require satisfaction. That list changes day to day. Security is just one of them. Because we all know the story of the nice guy that gave a woman security, only to have her suck three dudes off in a nightclub toilet when she got bored of all his non dramatic stable security.

Back when two parent families were the norm, girls grew up valuing that security. These days about 50% of children grow up in single parent/broken homes. Girls raised in this environment, seeing their mother pay the bills by herself, proves to young girls the oft quoted nonsense "I dont need no man" .. until they want to start a family of their own... and learn that their single mother on centrelink could pay the bills due to taxes, 70% of which is paid by Men, in a society made safe by men, organised by men, which would fall apart without men.

Women dont know what they want. They dont know what makes them happy. Thus no one can. I heard a joke the other day: Women dyeing their hair is proof not even God can make them happy.

I heard a good one also..."..and then god created the orgasm...so women can moan, even when they're happy"

[Tamen]

I dated a Thai ML for a short period some years ago. Matched with her on a dating app and didn't know she was an ML initially. We met for a coffee and I thought it was a little odd that she insisted in sitting right at the back of the coffee shop in the darkest corner furthest from the door. She did eventually tell me what she did for a living, which explained why she wanted to hide as she didn't want to be recognised by any clients I guess.
She was a nice lady and I learnt quite a bit about how the industry works from her side, how the ML's look at punters, etc. Unfortunately I think she was looking for a father for her Daughter and I wasn't long out of a long term relationship so I wasn't in a place to dive back into one at that level.

[Eggs.Fertiliser]

Just a few weeks ago, a Thai ML that I'm a regular told me while stroking my d*ck:

"look at this, would you like to date a girl doing this to guys as part of her job?

Don't think about it, find a nice girl that actually wants to save money for you"

That ML is such a nice girl, there reasons I come back to her despite shite massage skills.

[Up2me]

First time poster but long time punter so i totally understand that this could be a conundrum for some.
I've never been in this situation, but some of the lady's are so damn cute that i can see why some lads would get caught up in the moment.
My defence mechanism is to see it for exactly what it is.......she's not my girl, it's just my turn!.
PS: fun looking forum and enjoy reading all your input.

[jaccky]

Just a few weeks ago, a Thai ML that I'm a regular told me while stroking my d*ck:

"look at this, would you like to date a girl doing this to guys as part of her job?

Don't think about it, find a nice girl that actually wants to save money for you"

That ML is such a nice girl, there reasons I come back to her despite shite massage skills.

I'd find that level of self-deprecation a real mood killer.

[Eggs.Fertiliser]

I'd find that level of self-deprecation a real mood killer.

I started it myself, was commenting how she would be a great girlfriend etc trying to woo her

[Tamen]

I started it myself, was commenting how she would be a great girlfriend etc trying to woo her

For some guys it might be a real turn on. There are enough people out there who seem to like being cuckolded, this is kinda one step removed from that. To each their own.

[harry444]

Some very sexist and misoginystic statements on this thread. Probably a lot of truth in them. Shame we've had our balls removed by PC and afraid to say such things on public.

[Batting100]

No theyre needy creatures with a long list of things that require satisfaction. That list changes day to day. Security is just one of them. Because we all know the story of the nice guy that gave a woman security, only to have her suck three dudes off in a nightclub toilet when she got bored of all his non dramatic stable security.

Back when two parent families were the norm, girls grew up valuing that security. These days about 50% of children grow up in single parent/broken homes. Girls raised in this environment, seeing their mother pay the bills by herself, proves to young girls the oft quoted nonsense "I dont need no man" .. until they want to start a family of their own... and learn that their single mother on centrelink could pay the bills due to taxes, 70% of which is paid by Men, in a society made safe by men, organised by men, which would fall apart without men.

Women dont know what they want. They dont know what makes them happy. Thus no one can. I heard a joke the other day: Women dyeing their hair is proof not even God can make them happy.

So the problem is the woman, not the man who has left her with a daughter to look after while “paying the bills herself”??

Ok boomer

[Eggs.Fertiliser]

First time poster but long time punter so i totally understand that this could be a conundrum for some.
I've never been in this situation, but some of the lady's are so damn cute that i can see why some lads would get caught up in the moment.
My defence mechanism is to see it for exactly what it is.......she's not my girl, it's just my turn!.
PS: fun looking forum and enjoy reading all your input.

totally relatable, got caught in the moment sometimes, when the not enough blood running to the brain, but to the other end

[4FoW2]

.......she's not my girl, it's just my turn!.

Wise words.

Speaking about non PC jokes, a mate just said to me one day " if women did not have a pussy they would be pilled up 5 high at the dump". Not that I agree of course.
4FoW2

[marcus1honest]

I fell for a ML once and it was the biggest mistake of my life. Don’t take them as humans. take them as service you get. Nothing more

[Holdan]

oh man Just wow.

And that's only a small part of that story.

[Holdan]

I fell for a ML once and it was the biggest mistake of my life. Don’t take them as humans. take them as service you get. Nothing more

100% agree Marcus - I had to take out a DVO on mine - was trying to extrot $200k from me

[Puntersclub]

I know as a client a non Asian ML, with excellent therapeutic massage skills who would be 7 or an 8. But she’s studying pst grad level, the conversations are engaging and fun and the CBJ amazing. I jokingly said I would marry her and wouldn’t even mind if she kept working. Perhaps I was only half joking……

[exflux]

how did she respond ?

[gpeck80]

Some very sexist and misoginystic statements on this thread. Probably a lot of truth in them. Shame we've had our balls removed by PC and afraid to say such things on public.

Stop being a simp. Stop listeing to feminist propaganda.

Its not sexist for a Man to have a fair go in life. Stop being cucked by feminism. Women want the best in life. And thats ok. Just like its okay that, if youre a -- real man -- you want the best in life for you. Relationships work well when theres one leader. Not two. Those fail. There's women who will submit and follow your leadership and there are women that are feminists or brainwashed who will see you as lesbian competition. Only date women who are 1) reallly hot for you sexually and 2) willing to submit to your leadership.

Women that dont fit that criteria, relax its cool, just be friends with them or not. There's nothing wrong with a woman wanting to be "single and independent". Just know that they will never be good enough for you to commit too. Learn to separate that two. The more educated and "independent" a woman feels she is, the more likely she will divorce rape you.

But know that, as you know already, women have value for being female, you only have value, if you enrich society. This is why feminism is now a sham. Women are valued for being Women, Men are only valued if you bring something of worth to society. One is far easier than the other. Women are BORN. Men are MADE. Avoid any woman that doesnt acknowledge that.

[alexchinn]

bravo ! you've hit the nail on the head. you are saying everything we males know but a lot of us haven't got the balls to come out to admit.

[joeblow251]

Stop being a simp. Stop listeing to feminist propaganda.

Its not sexist for a Man to have a fair go in life. Stop being cucked by feminism. Women want the best in life. And thats ok. Just like its okay that, if youre a -- real man -- you want the best in life for you. Relationships work well when theres one leader. Not two. Those fail. There's women who will submit and follow your leadership and there are women that are feminists or brainwashed who will see you as lesbian competition. Only date women who are 1) reallly hot for you sexually and 2) willing to submit to your leadership.

Women that dont fit that criteria, relax its cool, just be friends with them or not. There's nothing wrong with a woman wanting to be "single and independent". Just know that they will never be good enough for you to commit too. Learn to separate that two. The more educated and "independent" a woman feels she is, the more likely she will divorce rape you.

But know that, as you know already, women have value for being female, you only have value, if you enrich society. This is why feminism is now a sham. Women are valued for being Women, Men are only valued if you bring something of worth to society. One is far easier than the other. Women are BORN. Men are MADE. Avoid any woman that doesnt acknowledge that.

Nice - well said - problem with western society - women think all they got to do is bring a c**t along and that makes them valuable. Unfortunately plenty of people don't understand respect (both sides) and teamwork. (not that we go to ML for any of that really - its to get our socks rocked!!!)

The amount of guys I know that are pussy whipped and get treated like crap is astounding to me.

[Selecta]

This forums awesome😁 love it.

[Lomb5000]

This has been an interesting read! At most I went on one date with one FS private, so don’t have a lot to add to the conversation

[Blueshirtguy]

Very well said. It still fascinates me that the feminists have created a situation where we allow a woman to be praised in front of everyone for doing nothing other than being a woman, but if you changed the same sentence to be about a man instead of a woman, you would be shunned from society for being a misogynist. I know so many of my friends in relationships where they are marginalised, yet live the life because thats what we're told to do. I was in that for many years and all I can say, is never again. Not all, but generally woman are too emotional and they need that steady ship that a man brings. They appear to fight and use all the PC modern day slogans to prove their point and create the stormy seas, but without fail, the relationships that I've seen that are the happiest are the ones where there is strong man who stands his ground and is not affected by the stormy seas around him. Stay strong boys. Thats where happiness is.

Also, I agree that falling for a ML/WL is very dangerous. It's not impossible, but tread very carefully. The dangerous thing is that there is too much pleasure being offered too early on in the interaction and that can skew the proper analysis of whether there is sufficient compatibility. Even beyond the transfer of money, there can be a general connection in the bedroom that would be there without the money, but the problem is that the compatibility out of the bedroom might not be there and becuause of all the pleasure, that is overlooked.

[Selecta]

Very well said. It still fascinates me that the feminists have created a situation where we allow a woman to be praised in front of everyone for doing nothing other than being a woman, but if you changed the same sentence to be about a man instead of a woman, you would be shunned from society for being a misogynist. I know so many of my friends in relationships where they are marginalised, yet live the life because thats what we're told to do. I was in that for many years and all I can say, is never again. Not all, but generally woman are too emotional and they need that steady ship that a man brings. They appear to fight and use all the PC modern day slogans to prove their point and create the stormy seas, but without fail, the relationships that I've seen that are the happiest are the ones where there is strong man who stands his ground and is not affected by the stormy seas around him. Stay strong boys. Thats where happiness is.

Also, I agree that falling for a ML/WL is very dangerous. It's not impossible, but tread very carefully. The dangerous thing is that there is too much pleasure being offered too early on in the interaction and that can skew the proper analysis of whether there is sufficient compatibility. Even beyond the transfer of money, there can be a general connection in the bedroom that would be there without the money, but the problem is that the compatibility out of the bedroom might not be there and becuause of all the pleasure, that is overlooked.

Couldnt agree more!

[Perusal]

Thais not being greedy? Thai women are all designer handbags, plastic surgery, botox, clothes, hair, nails, etc etc. They also want gold, lotto and card games. And finally, they want to show every cousin, sibling, neighbour and whoever back home, that they have made it and can shower them with cash too. I found Japanese and Koreans way less dangerous on your wallet.

[exflux]

did you know that most of the fake designer lables are made in Thailand ?

[carlco777]

bought a Gucci men's wallet from there 5 years ago. am still using it.

[Puntersclub]

She laughed, as she should of. Haha

[Batting100]

Show me an example of a “woman being praised just because she’s a woman”

What an absolute load of bullshit

[Blueshirtguy]

Show me an example of a “woman being praised just because she’s a woman”

What an absolute load of bullshit

It literally happens all the time. A woman applies for a job interview and everyone says "she is so brave and courageous, she's a strong woman". When all she did was apply for a job. A man applies for the same job and no one says he's "brave and courageous". Listen to any of the comments that use words like "mighty woman" or "powerful woman" and replace it with a "man", and you'll see that they're just adding the adjectives to pump up the sentence purely because she's a woman. No way would you ever be allowed in this day and age to apply the same adjectives to a man. You would be shot down and ridiculed. The problem is that it has just become so normalised that no one even hears the bullshit that is being spun. Its the mastery of the whole situation. I'm an Engineer and this months front cover of the Engineers Australia Monthly magazine (vol 8, no.6 July 2022 if you want to check me) literally reads "Women are just 13% of the engineering workforce. It is time we changed that." Imagine you changed that to Men and the nursing workforce. Or men and the teachers workforce. You would get absolutely destroyed. You would be told, "why are men taking womens jobs?", but no one sees it when its the other way around? And then what is being said about the 87% of men currently filling the balance of the engineering roles. There are only so many jobs available, so are we doing such a bad job that you want to replace us with women? WTF. People don't seem to think about what they're saying. And thats why i say, a woman can get praised for just being a woman. It's what society has created, through media, and PC wokeness and they're done such a good job, that you don't even know they're doing it.

[Eggs.Fertiliser]

Show me an example of a “woman being praised just because she’s a woman”

What an absolute load of bullshit

You haven't really seen it, but within university/academia environment, the gender equity propaganda is at its worst. You win by default if you have a vagina, jobs are created for women only, the HRs advertise their uni as having female vice chancellor, dean, or head of department. Female new hires got preferential treatments with ludicrous packages compared to male employees, all gor the sake of gender equity

[joeblow251]

You haven't really seen it, but within university/academia environment, the gender equity propaganda is at its worst. You win by default if you have a vagina, jobs are created for women only, the HRs advertise their uni as having female vice chancellor, dean, or head of department. Female new hires got preferential treatments with ludicrous packages compared to male employees, all gor the sake of gender equity

Apply for any gov jobs and there is about half a dozen tick boxes on the application - I never see one for being white, strait or male - your at the bottom of the pile irrespective of skill.

The result is something like this - its sad tbh

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-pdnkbs4l_g

[Perusal]

Yeah was just there two months back haha

[jimmyp]

Nothing new. I applied for a job in 1990 (yes, I'm showing my age!) but missed out and didn't get the job.

Six months later, I was offered the job without it being advertised or new applications taken.

Turns out they wanted to employ a female for 'diversity' and she didn't last six months. I've had the job now for 23 years.

Saying that, I'm now in my forties, a middle-aged white man, and I feel like I'm public enemy No. 1.

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[gpeck80]

Love is blind.
But Lust is stupid.

[gpeck80]

Very well said. It still fascinates me that the feminists have created a situation where we allow a woman to be praised in front of everyone for doing nothing other than being a woman, but if you changed the same sentence to be about a man instead of a woman, you would be shunned from society for being a misogynist. I know so many of my friends in relationships where they are marginalised, yet live the life because thats what we're told to do. I was in that for many years and all I can say, is never again. Not all, but generally woman are too emotional and they need that steady ship that a man brings. They appear to fight and use all the PC modern day slogans to prove their point and create the stormy seas, but without fail, the relationships that I've seen that are the happiest are the ones where there is strong man who stands his ground and is not affected by the stormy seas around him. Stay strong boys. Thats where happiness is.

Also, I agree that falling for a ML/WL is very dangerous. It's not impossible, but tread very carefully. The dangerous thing is that there is too much pleasure being offered too early on in the interaction and that can skew the proper analysis of whether there is sufficient compatibility. Even beyond the transfer of money, there can be a general connection in the bedroom that would be there without the money, but the problem is that the compatibility out of the bedroom might not be there and becuause of all the pleasure, that is overlooked.

The irony of feminism.

1) Encourages Women to be masculine, who then wonder why straight men arent attracted to them.

2) Refuse to be a 1950s housewife, but demand a 1950s style provider husband.

3) Spent 5 decades reducing the rewards for Men willing to be that type of husband, and then is confused as to why Men dont want to marry anymore.

4) Encourages Women to focus on education and career, during their prime beauty years, the best time to find the best husband. They then wait until their 30s (past their prime in looks) and then wonder why they get past over for women they used to look like in their early 20s.

5) Encourages Women to focus on educations that put them into debt, making them worse prospects for marriage, vs women with no debt.

6) Encourages Women to hate the very people theyre supposed to learn how to live with.

7) Body positivity, is only for Women.

8) Encourages Women to have an abortion, which would then deny their Female baby the ability to become self empowered toward being a professor/prime minister etc.

9) Ridicules for Men for committing the most murder while, if you take abortion into account, Women end 60 times more lives than Men do.

10) Cries oppression over abortion, despite Women having access to over 30 types of contraception, while Men have three - abstenance, condoms or the cut.

10) Moans about not finding good loyal supporting men .... but never give that nice guy in their friend zone a shot.

11) Women spend 60% the time in jail Men do for the same crime. Even lower % if theyre a Single Mother with sole custody.

I could go on. That will do for now. The best way to stand your ground in public unashamedly is to mention how feminism harms Women. If you argue how it affects Men, based on the golden rule (Women most affected) you will lose. I mentioned a few above.

[fi1teredglue]

nope, not for me. will never fall for someone who has sucked on a thousand knobs for money.

[jaccky]

The irony of feminism.

1) Encourages Women to be masculine, who then wonder why straight men arent attracted to them.

2) Refuse to be a 1950s housewife, but demand a 1950s style provider husband.

3) Spent 5 decades reducing the rewards for Men willing to be that type of husband, and then is confused as to why Men dont want to marry anymore.

4) Encourages Women to focus on education and career, during their prime beauty years, the best time to find the best husband. They then wait until their 30s (past their prime in looks) and then wonder why they get past over for women they used to look like in their early 20s.

5) Encourages Women to focus on educations that put them into debt, making them worse prospects for marriage, vs women with no debt.

6) Encourages Women to hate the very people theyre supposed to learn how to live with.

7) Body positivity, is only for Women.

8) Encourages Women to have an abortion, which would then deny their Female baby the ability to become self empowered toward being a professor/prime minister etc.

9) Ridicules for Men for committing the most murder while, if you take abortion into account, Women end 60 times more lives than Men do.

10) Cries oppression over abortion, despite Women having access to over 30 types of contraception, while Men have three - abstenance, condoms or the cut.

10) Moans about not finding good loyal supporting men .... but never give that nice guy in their friend zone a shot.

11) Women spend 60% the time in jail Men do for the same crime. Even lower % if theyre a Single Mother with sole custody.

I could go on. That will do for now. The best way to stand your ground in public unashamedly is to mention how feminism harms Women. If you argue how it affects Men, based on the golden rule (Women most affected) you will lose. I mentioned a few above.

Looks like G Peck has swallowed his red pill for 2022.

[gpeck80]

I took the red pill back in the late 90s.

[Chinchin]

Some people do need a reality check. I remember being at university when the last big wave came through, man, it was just non-stop, in your face, shit. Nothing wrong with equality…equality of opportunity, general fairness, etc.

But I started to realise some peoples idea of feminism/equality is about power and control, disguised as equality.

Some workplace policies of having 50% women in senior positions is an example (like at my workplace). For most jobs, gender is irrelevant, shouldn’t even be a factor in the job criteria but here we are. If the senior positions have been mostly men, just means a lot of the new opportunities go to women in order to adhere to the policy and right this so-called wrong. And companies (including mine) make big PR noise about it too, and people seem to love it. I don’t get it.

Imagine a doctor (doesn’t matter man or woman) telling you they got there because of some arbitrary 50/50 gender quota policy right before they operated on you, I’m sure you couldn’t help but be a little worried. Anyway, I’d rather not think too much about it and I’m glad I’m older and already up the proverbial ladder, can’t imagine starting my career now.

Sticking to the topic of the thread, my friend married a ML, he’s not into punting, met her through a friend. It’s been going relatively strong but I’d say that’s a small minority, she stopped immediately after they got engaged and has been working an admin office job ever since, and it used to bother my friend she was still a ML when they were dating. I reckon the odds are stacked against you. If you think “nah, it’ll be different for me” then good luck to you!

As some have mentioned already, thinking of it as a simple business transaction is probably for the best, but love is strange.

[Jamesyouare]

If a relationship is built on fuck friend yep can see it working but proper relationships are built on trust, respect etc

Blah blah it can be done….go for it then but she’s handled a lot of dick and yes deserves a relationship so building one not started through work could work but not met through work - oh I don’t suck dick anymore and I won’t go…..until I get horny

Each to their own - but unless other factors not sure why the relationship cannot start out of the shop - on both sides

In regards to the world changing - while some things can be taken too far (oh the old power argument) let’s be honest and say it’s for the better - plenty of guys got their jobs through connections and various other just happened to be there - I’d hate that dude doing stuff for me too - guys worried about all these things must be insecure - maybe why it’s linked to finding chicks to date in shops….

Grow a set, support women, support everyone - you might find women find you attractive snd you can punt for fun or whatever reason you want to - we have a long way to go still it seems

[joeblow251]

Some people do need a reality check. I remember being at university when the last big wave came through, man, it was just non-stop, in your face, shit. Nothing wrong with equality…equality of opportunity, general fairness, etc.

But I started to realise some peoples idea of feminism/equality is about power and control, disguised as equality.

Some workplace policies of having 50% women in senior positions is an example (like at my workplace). For most jobs, gender is irrelevant, shouldn’t even be a factor in the job criteria but here we are. If the senior positions have been mostly men, just means a lot of the new opportunities go to women in order to adhere to the policy and right this so-called wrong. And companies (including mine) make big PR noise about it too, and people seem to love it. I don’t get it.

Imagine a doctor (doesn’t matter man or woman) telling you they got there because of some arbitrary 50/50 gender quota policy right before they operated on you, I’m sure you couldn’t help but be a little worried. Anyway, I’d rather not think too much about it and I’m glad I’m older and already up the proverbial ladder, can’t imagine starting my career now.

Sticking to the topic of the thread, my friend married a ML, he’s not into punting, met her through a friend. It’s been going relatively strong but I’d say that’s a small minority, she stopped immediately after they got engaged and has been working an admin office job ever since, and it used to bother my friend she was still a ML when they were dating. I reckon the odds are stacked against you. If you think “nah, it’ll be different for me” then good luck to you!

As some have mentioned already, thinking of it as a simple business transaction is probably for the best, but love is strange.

Regarding the 50/50 bullshit - should be by merit - like ffs - I laugh when I see woman say "I am woman.... hear me roar"

I put it this way - it I had to be brain surgery, and there was 2 hospitals that could do it, one was the 50/50 bullshit rule, and the other was best doctors by merit get the job, I know which hospital I'd be booking into!!!

[Tamen]

If anyone looking for an ML to fall for, maybe this is your chance.

https://brisbane.locanto.com.au/ID_5690436345/The-PINK-PINK-CHINESE-LADY-do-massage-33.html

[Eggs.Fertiliser]

If anyone looking for an ML to fall for, maybe this is your chance.

https://brisbane.locanto.com.au/ID_5690436345/The-PINK-PINK-CHINESE-LADY-do-massage-33.html

Lol this is hilarious

[gpeck80]

If a relationship is built on fuck friend yep can see it working but proper relationships are built on trust, respect etc

Blah blah it can be done….go for it then but she’s handled a lot of dick and yes deserves a relationship so building one not started through work could work but not met through work - oh I don’t suck dick anymore and I won’t go…..until I get horny

Each to their own - but unless other factors not sure why the relationship cannot start out of the shop - on both sides

In regards to the world changing - while some things can be taken too far (oh the old power argument) let’s be honest and say it’s for the better - plenty of guys got their jobs through connections and various other just happened to be there - I’d hate that dude doing stuff for me too - guys worried about all these things must be insecure - maybe why it’s linked to finding chicks to date in shops….

Grow a set, support women, support everyone - you might find women find you attractive snd you can punt for fun or whatever reason you want to - we have a long way to go still it seems

Men and Women reached equality about 30-35 years ago. Since then its been far better to be a Woman than a Man. Theyre not oppressed. The male suicide stats alone prove me correct. People dont off themselves when their lives are better than others. Divorce rape, false rape allegations where a woman can point the finger and put you in jail with the only evidence being her fake tears.

"Grow a set, support women, support everyone - you might find women find you attractive"

So you can be a wage slave for a whore that will eventually take your house in a divorce, deny you access to your kids -- that you later find out arent even yours. Thats not supporting women. Its being a bitch with no balls. "Grow a set" my arse.

Before you say it, no never married, no children, but lets just say I work in an environment where I've seen the above happen over and over again and then the guy killed himself - after hearing advice like yours his whole life. What you refer to as "supporting women" is actually male servitude. No decent Woman would expect a Man to do that. Women today want a 1950s provider husband, but are too arrogant to be 1950s housewives. Thats not equality. Women want the luxury of being whores from aged 16 to 30 and then expect a decent wage earning guy to wife up a used up slut when she's half way to losing her looks. Hence the female anger over the recent abortion stuff. That want us to marry whores. Fk that. I'm not bitter. I'm just laughing thinking a smart financially independent dude like me is expected to be the wage slave to someone like that who will become a landwhale, six months after the wedding, and expect me to see her as "the prize" and treat her like she's a queen, while she emasculates me in front of her friends. Society is going to sht, because women are getting more power and they are literally agents of drama and chaos. We Men built society, its our job to keep it from falling apart. Women dont care about society, or doing the hard yards to keep law and order . Thats a sacred duty for us Men, so spare me the feminist gas lighting that I'm apparently weak or dont have balls. Feminism has all but destroyed the Male led nuclear family, which is the one thing that keeps society sane. When Men have family control, they will fight and die to protect his castle and family. when WW3 happens, we will see the difference in tenacity in fighting between the countries that believe Men should be the head of the households, and those that dont...

[gpeck80]

Show me an example of a “woman being praised just because she’s a woman”

What an absolute load of bullshit

I take it you have no social media accounts? Damn I see that every day. Usually followed by posts that say "wow, she so brave and strong."

[Licketysplit]

Men and Women reached equality about 30-35 years ago. Since then its been far better to be a Woman than a Man. Theyre not oppressed. The male suicide stats alone prove me correct. People dont off themselves when their lives are better than others. Divorce rape, false rape allegations where a woman can point the finger and put you in jail with the only evidence being her fake tears.

"Grow a set, support women, support everyone - you might find women find you attractive"

So you can be a wage slave for a whore that will eventually take your house in a divorce, deny you access to your kids -- that you later find out arent even yours. Thats not supporting women. Its being a bitch with no balls. "Grow a set" my arse.

Before you say it, no never married, no children, but lets just say I work in an environment where I've seen the above happen over and over again and then the guy killed himself - after hearing advice like yours his whole life. What you refer to as "supporting women" is actually male servitude. No decent Woman would expect a Man to do that. Women today want a 1950s provider husband, but are too arrogant to be 1950s housewives. Thats not equality. Women want the luxury of being whores from aged 16 to 30 and then expect a decent wage earning guy to wife up a used up slut when she's half way to losing her looks. Hence the female anger over the recent abortion stuff. That want us to marry whores. Fk that. I'm not bitter. I'm just laughing thinking a smart financially independent dude like me is expected to be the wage slave to someone like that who will become a landwhale, six months after the wedding, and expect me to see her as "the prize" and treat her like she's a queen, while she emasculates me in front of her friends. Society is going to sht, because women are getting more power and they are literally agents of drama and chaos. We Men built society, its our job to keep it from falling apart. Women dont care about society, or doing the hard yards to keep law and order . Thats a sacred duty for us Men, so spare me the feminist gas lighting that I'm apparently weak or dont have balls. Feminism has all but destroyed the Male led nuclear family, which is the one thing that keeps society sane. When Men have family control, they will fight and die to protect his castle and family. when WW3 happens, we will see the difference in tenacity in fighting between the countries that believe Men should be the head of the households, and those that dont...


So was there any TT?

[Yellow Fever]

Lol this is hilarious

Even more funny, she’s got 34 followers….the mind boggles!!!

[bucketsandchains]

Avoid where possible commitment 😂

Just trying to share my experiences- my #1 tip is to enjoy any extra time you get with a sex worker but don’t get in too deep mate.
Agree 100%...........

[Jamesyouare]

Men and Women reached equality about 30-35 years ago. Since then its been far better to be a Woman than a Man. Theyre not oppressed. The male suicide stats alone prove me correct. People dont off themselves when their lives are better than others. Divorce rape, false rape allegations where a woman can point the finger and put you in jail with the only evidence being her fake tears.

"Grow a set, support women, support everyone - you might find women find you attractive"

So you can be a wage slave for a whore that will eventually take your house in a divorce, deny you access to your kids -- that you later find out arent even yours. Thats not supporting women. Its being a bitch with no balls. "Grow a set" my arse.

Before you say it, no never married, no children, but lets just say I work in an environment where I've seen the above happen over and over again and then the guy killed himself - after hearing advice like yours his whole life. What you refer to as "supporting women" is actually male servitude. No decent Woman would expect a Man to do that. Women today want a 1950s provider husband, but are too arrogant to be 1950s housewives. Thats not equality. Women want the luxury of being whores from aged 16 to 30 and then expect a decent wage earning guy to wife up a used up slut when she's half way to losing her looks. Hence the female anger over the recent abortion stuff. That want us to marry whores. Fk that. I'm not bitter. I'm just laughing thinking a smart financially independent dude like me is expected to be the wage slave to someone like that who will become a landwhale, six months after the wedding, and expect me to see her as "the prize" and treat her like she's a queen, while she emasculates me in front of her friends. Society is going to sht, because women are getting more power and they are literally agents of drama and chaos. We Men built society, its our job to keep it from falling apart. Women dont care about society, or doing the hard yards to keep law and order . Thats a sacred duty for us Men, so spare me the feminist gas lighting that I'm apparently weak or dont have balls. Feminism has all but destroyed the Male led nuclear family, which is the one thing that keeps society sane. When Men have family control, they will fight and die to protect his castle and family. when WW3 happens, we will see the difference in tenacity in fighting between the countries that believe Men should be the head of the households, and those that dont...

This is why the world is messed up but I respect our individual views..

I don’t agree about being a wage slave - you can live how you want but if a woman gets fat it’s maybe because there is no reason to try - it’s a 2 way street and does anyone communicate?

Anyway if your complaining it’s sour grapes - would not be complaining if you could walk into a 200k job with a model at home

Put some effort in anyone can get what they want - simple

[gpeck80]

This is why the world is messed up but I respect our individual views..

I don’t agree about being a wage slave - you can live how you want but if a woman gets fat it’s maybe because there is no reason to try - it’s a 2 way street and does anyone communicate?

Anyway if your complaining it’s sour grapes - would not be complaining if you could walk into a 200k job with a model at home

Put some effort in anyone can get what they want - simple

Its not sour grapes. I have an interest in politics and the more power women get, society gets more narcisstic, Men lose hope and then society collapses. Then comes anarchy or invasion by a larger country (in our case china) and we are destroyed. The study of history shows this time and time again. Dont allow feminism to trick you into thinking the educated Men among us are just crying over sour grapes. There's more to life than just relationships with women. For the record, I do well with women, never married etc, happy successful batchelor, but I do work in an area where I see men being divorced raped time and time again. Its not sour grapes to take precautions to prevent that. Its being smart.

[joeblow251]

OK, Im just going to put it out there - the world is fucked and we are already falling off the cliff...

The only thing to fix this now is WWWIII and the planet becomes like the walking dead - that will reset all the greed, western woke, equality of outcome instead of equality of opportunity, and corruption.

That will be the great reset as these billionaires talk about over in Switzerland....

Enjoy the rest of your day/life :)

[Yellow Fever]

Couldn't agree more.
I worked in 'healthcare' for more than 30y. And the more women took charge, the more the whole system went to shits. Their genetically encoded needs for safety, security, risk-aversity, plannability, etc. resulted in record-sized bureaucracies, and the whole system has been suffocated with standards, guidelines, policies etc. - that often enough even contradict each other...
Nowadays, in the women-managed healthcare system you are better off killing a patient whilst adhearing to 'standards' than thinking outside the box and actually helping someone. And if you are, say a surgeon, it doesn't matter anymore how well you operate and what your results are, as long as you are soft-spoken, polite and submissive, nothing will ever happen to you....
Problems don't ever get solved, but there is meeting after meeting to talk about them....
Gosh, I better stop.....not good for my blood pressure.....

Thanks for sharing…..that’s a fantastic insight to why our healthcare system is rooted!!!

Over the years, had a couple of operations to fix injuries. Currently, got two more elective surgeries pending.
This time around, the whole process has changed. The Specialists/Surgeons, I’m dealing with, are fantastic. However, the fat Karen’s, who run the show, are an absolute nightmare to deal with!!!

[Yellow Fever]

OK, Im just going to put it out there - the world is fucked and we are already falling off the cliff...

The only thing to fix this now is WWWIII and the planet becomes like the walking dead - that will reset all the greed, western woke, equality of outcome instead of equality of opportunity, and corruption.

That will be the great reset as these billionaires talk about over in Switzerland....

Enjoy the rest of your day/life :)

Wow, you’re too much of an over-thinker for me….I’m far more basic….lol.
The constant pressure about equality of income, corporate greed, recycling, Green Energy, renewables, ‘save the planet’…blah, blah
My argument, point of view….planet isn’t worth saving cause of the scum that lives on it.
Burn coal, live for today.
Be nice to the ML’s, tip well….fortune will reward you….lol

[rojerramjet]

I fell for a ml once , got up appologised for the broken furniture. and left .

[bradpitt]

I did actually fall for a SB in my recent past. She was 'only' 19 years younger than me, not a big stretch given my last SB was 35 years younger. She was an very attractive divorced MILF, two kids, wonderful cook. If I was rebooting my career she would be a great partner for events, socials, entertaining, fabulous dress sense. We did keep up the SD/SB for a year. BUT of course she needed money for kids, schooling and over time I could feel the ball-breaking aspects of her personality coming through. Her experience with two previous husbands did make me question her suitability. I decided to cut and run. She is having a great life I am sure with the next sucker, I am also continuing my great life. No harm done.

It was nice to be involved with her but ultimately our initial meeting through "money' always impacted our changes of success.

[harry444]

What is this forum coming to. Some very divisive issue here and no abuse or threatening language from the posters. That's not the norm on here. Maybe we've grown up.

[Holdan]

What is this forum coming to. Some very divisive issue here and no abuse or threatening language from the posters. That's not the norm on here. Maybe we've grown up.

Lol Harry - don't encourage them please........................

[hurdur]

Once upon a time I fell for a ML whose bf was overseas at the time. Turned out she was only looking for some fun, so obviously that didn't end well for me.

[4FoW2]

It was nice to be involved with her but ultimately our initial meeting through "money' always impacted our changes of success.[/QUOTE]

Wise man. As with bar girls you know the saying - You can take the girl out of the bar but.....
The same with mucking around with married women ..it always ends up messy.

Once you come to terms with the fact that it is a business transaction not an emotional transaction then you have a better understanding of the mongering process.
I've had emotional conections with Wgs before but ALWAYS in the back of my head a little voice was saying keep that distance.
To protect myself now, even with normal relationships with women, I always never fully commit.
4FoW2

[4FoW2]

Oh Sugar!
4FoW2

[Ptyltd#69]

I only wish I could find a suitable one in the first place let alone fall for one!
Visited nine shops over two days this week and walked from each one, the body count some where around fourteen.
Perhaps yes, I was scrutinising more than most but when looking to spend above the presumed average there was nothing stunning in sight.
Fail to see the point in employing the services of someone below the standard that I could get with out paying for.

[harry444]

Well I'm guessing "sugar daddy", "sugar baby"

[4FoW2]

Somehow in my mind, the SD/SB thing is way outside the limits of the ' standard creepiness rule': Your age (in years)÷2+7=Minimum socially acceptable age of your date[/QUOTE]

When in Thai or Phil its usually "My age divided by 2 minus 5 or even 10 if I am lucky"
Somehow my dick and my wallet become socially acceptable.
4FoW2
....and remember "what anyone else thinks of me is none of my business".

[harry444]

Hmm, I could probably go age/2 - 15, without fear of my ankle bracelet going off.

[4FoW2]

Hmm, I could probably go age/2 - 15, without fear of my ankle bracelet going off.
Age of consent is 16 in Phill but there are other laws that protect " exploited" children ( defined as a person under 18) so hopefully you are 66.
I always get security to check ID and if the girl looks dodgy then I err on the side of caution.

[bradpitt]

Thanks!
Picture me banging my head against the wall.
Probably the relatively low age difference prevented me from figuring that one out.
Somehow in my mind, the SD/SB thing is way outside the limits of the ' standard creepiness rule': Your age (in years)÷2+7=Minimum socially acceptable age of your date

These were in Brisbane.
The SB (sugar baby) MILF I was mentioning was 40 years old at the time. The previous gi1rl had been 25.

When in Phils
I set my target range at 18-25 on dating apps. On my last trip I finished for the final two days with the girl that was 18yrs & 3 months.


I don't feel any creepiness, should I?

[4FoW2]

Quote" One of my regular MLs (in a small shop in the Redcliffe - NL area that I haven't seen discussed here yet) is a very good looking and shapely end-30s lady, and she recently told me that she was living with an 81 years old guy, who pays for the house and her son's education..... must be true love"

No, as you said earlier, that is business.

The days about ppl believing that relationships are all about love are long gone ...todays its transactional ..... in your example each gets what they need. And remember you can still have love in a transactional relationship and just because its transactional doesn't mean its wrong.
4FoW2

[tttrrreee]

People never stop growing and changing and sometimes people just grow apart. Most media gives unrealistic expectations of "happily ever after" and doesn't give any exposure to the reality of the human condition. Thats not to say that no relationship can last but without accepting that love with wax and wane you'll run into issues no matter how the relationship began.

[Blueshirtguy]

I would even go further and say that for most part of human history and in most parts of the world relationships have always been transactional in some way.
Relationships based on 'love' (often confused with raging hormone levels...) and the expectation that this lasts a lifetime is a rather new and delusional development in western societies; and probably one of the major factors for the sky-rocketing divorce rates.
There are many forms and stages of love and affection.

Not to get too in-depth here, but you are spot on. I am newly(ish) out of my marriage (16 years), and did a lot of searching as to "what went wrong" to help my mental health through it all. I didn't get dumped, quite the opposite, so I really was lost and asking a lot of questions how this thing that I was told would be forever after, didn't end up like that for me. Esther Perel is a famous relationship psychologist and she nails it exactly. The concept of "marriage for love to your soul mate and live happily ever after" is just nonsense. She has some corkers...one being "marriage isn't forever, at very best, it's a long term lease with the option to renew." and another "most human adults will have at least 2 or 3 relationships in their adult life...some of them will have them with the same person". And on the topic of marriage for "love", she comes straight out and says that marriage has never been about love. It's only the last 50-100 years that we have made this the reason. Marriage was always about economic or social security and/or status. Thats why it is dangerous to play with a relationship with a WG/ML. The drivers are all wrong. We are raging with lust, and think the girl meets those needs. The girl is driven by money and has honed her skills at saying and doing exactly the right things at the right time to get money from us, and when we pay, for that moment, we meet her needs. It's not love. It's a transaction, different, but also very much the same as any relationship. If you think you have some feelings of love, you need to see whether both of you can meet each others needs, otherwise, it won't be long, and the love will fade and there will just be a mess with one person losing alot.

[bradpitt]

That's what this 'rule' is called. I didn't make it up; search for it and you'll find lots of links.
But I guess it's meant to apply for more 'normal' dating situations.
What happens in Thailand, Philippines and similar countries, massage parlours, SB/SD 'relationships' is business.
I remember when I was around 30, I spent a 3 weeks vacation in Thailand, with my then girlfriend, and when we were in Phuket, we found the sight of all these old (from our perspective back then) western guys with much younger local girls very creepy, so much that we decided to leave and avoid those typical tourist destinations for the rest of our stay.


But there are 'your' expectations not that of the girl/guy in the relationship. I do not good searching "what is creepy" on the web for some formula to find out of I am happy. You and your then gf made a decision for your benefit and your beliefs.

Thinking about the past month my sexual partners have ranged between 22 & 60. So it's not that I am exclusively seeking the young ones, it's just part of the mix.

[alexchinn]

this is why most people these days stay away from marriage.

[exflux]

i think most of us can work out that in the long run, visiting or using ML/WL/MS would work out to be cheaper, not to mention the psychological damage and even abuse that might come with marriage.

[bradpitt]

ok, so forgetting marriage...it's still very possible to fall for a ML.

I do know also there are definitely ML/Wg that I would never entertain for any type of friendship let along relationship.

[HST]

ok, so forgetting marriage...it's still very possible to fall for a ML.

I do know also there are definitely ML/Wg that I would never entertain for any type of friendship let along relationship.
Interested to know what it is about a ML that rules out a friendship situation for you. Something you learnt about their personality/traits from repeat visits?

[bradpitt]

Interested to know what it is about a ML that rules out a friendship situation for you. Something you learnt about their personality/traits from repeat visits?

no, i was thinking of some specific WGs whom are kind of messed up.

actually I've had a few friendships with WGs/Wls. offsite coffees, dinner dates. One of former Toowong motel boilers I ended up visiting in Sydney a few times and had dinner with her family. When she was in Brisbane I would stay over for free at her working motel room. Kind of nice, kind of weird.

I was really thinking of the crazy ones.

[HST]

no, i was thinking of some specific WGs whom are kind of messed up.

actually I've had a few friendships with WGs/Wls. offsite coffees, dinner dates. One of former Toowong motel boilers I ended up visiting in Sydney a few times and had dinner with her family. When she was in Brisbane I would stay over for free at her working motel room. Kind of nice, kind of weird.

I was really thinking of the crazy ones.
Yes, the crazy ones or methed up ones are way too unpredictable and to be avoided at all costs

[Holdan]

I don't know....
I can see the physical attraction thing, the sexual fulfillment, maybe even emotionally 'falling' for a ML, but at my age and level of life experience, I can't see myself giving in to it.
Some form of 'friendship' is maybe a different thing.
For me, and with the MLs that I have met so far, the first obstacle would be the language barrier. I have yet to meet a ML that I could have a more than very superficial and routine small-talk conversation with.

A good point about the language barrier. I was married to a Thai ML/WG. Her english was pretty good. However, I could not engage her in any subject matter that was too complex and this was very very frustrating.

[4FoW2]

[QUOTE=Holdan;2483721 I was married to a Thai ML/WG. Her english was pretty good. However, I could not engage her in any subject matter that was too complex and this was very very frustrating.[/QUOTE]

If you are willing to share would be interested to know your perspectives re marrying a ThaiML/Wg. How did you meet? What were your reasons for marrying? How long did it last? Why did it end?
If this is too personal, its ok to pass.

Re Language barrier - I have a Asian partner of 15 years. Although she is not university educated like me ( and don't worry going to Uni doesn't equate to intelligence), she still can carry an intellectual conversation to some degree. I am constantly impressed with her command of the English language and often will hear her use a word and I say OMG how did you know that word. I tolerate fools and dumb people badly.
Me for one, if I can't connect on an intellectual level the rest don't matter..thats why I have never been out with a Doreen, Doris or Delorus.
4FoW2

[Holdan]

If you are willing to share would be interested to know your perspectives re marrying a ThaiML/Wg. How did you meet? What were your reasons for marrying? How long did it last? Why did it end?
If this is too personal, its ok to pass.

Re Language barrier - I have a Asian partner of 15 years. Although she is not university educated like me ( and don't worry going to Uni doesn't equate to intelligence), she still can carry an intellectual conversation to some degree. I am constantly impressed with her command of the English language and often will hear her use a word and I say OMG how did you know that word. I tolerate fools and dumb people badly.
Me for one, if I can't connect on an intellectual level the rest don't matter..thats why I have never been out with a Doreen, Doris or Delorus.
4FoW2

No worries:
I was one of her customers. We hit it off fairly early. I asked if she had a BF. She said no - not long split up. I asked if she wanted a BF - she said yes. And off we went. She needed a visa and her bridging visa was about to be canceled. We had been dating for a few months by then and marriage was an easier route to PR. And we wanted to be together so it seemed OK at the time. It lasted 11 months. I found out she was still doing FS which I had suspected for a while and she swore she was not. She had promised to stop FS when we married. She was also doing BBBJ which concerned me in relation to STI's. In addition, sex with her was awful - no foreplay, no kissing and no touching her. She would grab my cock, rub it, get lube and then jump on. I asked her about being more affectionate and she did not repsond. So that was it.

[4FoW2]

No worries:
I was one of her customers. We hit it off fairly early. I asked if she had a BF. She said no - not long split up. I asked if she wanted a BF - she said yes. And off we went. She needed a visa and her bridging visa was about to be canceled. We had been dating for a few months by then and marriage was an easier route to PR. And we wanted to be together so it seemed OK at the time. It lasted 11 months. I found out she was still doing FS which I had suspected for a while and she swore she was not. She had promised to stop FS when we married. She was also doing BBBJ which concerned me in relation to STI's. In addition, sex with her was awful - no foreplay, no kissing and no touching her. She would grab my cock, rub it, get lube and then jump on. I asked her about being more affectionate and she did not repsond. So that was it.
Appreciate you willing to share your personal experiences. The old saying about taking the girl out of the bar....
4FoW2

[Ptyltd#69]

No worries:
I was one of her customers. We hit it off fairly early. I asked if she had a BF. She said no - not long split up. I asked if she wanted a BF - she said yes. And off we went. She needed a visa and her bridging visa was about to be canceled. We had been dating for a few months by then and marriage was an easier route to PR. And we wanted to be together so it seemed OK at the time. It lasted 11 months. I found out she was still doing FS which I had suspected for a while and she swore she was not. She had promised to stop FS when we married. She was also doing BBBJ which concerned me in relation to STI's. In addition, sex with her was awful - no foreplay, no kissing and no touching her. She would grab my cock, rub it, get lube and then jump on. I asked her about being more affectionate and she did not repsond. So that was it.

The old saying, you've gotta be in it to win it.
You had a crack, sure beats doing nothing.
Unfortunate it didn't work out.

[Holdan]

Appreciate you willing to share your personal experiences. The old saying about taking the girl out of the bar....
4FoW2

100% correct. My belief is that the big money and having men adore them is too much of an attraction - like a drug addiction - can't/won't shake it

[Kunta66]

Agree 100% a majority of the ml have gambling problems and I'm not saying few hundred here and there I'm talking thousands of dollars. With that sort of addiction the money they earn from us is just to easy to ever give up. The lure of the tables is always going to be greater than any relationship you think you might have a chance of.

[harry444]

Kunta may be right, it seems to be an Asian thing. I had a ML GF for a while, could have gone either way, but she had a gambling problem. Would pick her up after work from the pub next door playing the pokies, big time.

[carlco777]

I would seriously doubt that.
What is that claim based upon??

if you go to the casino after 2am on a weeknight, chances are you will run into one or two of the ML/WL on the baccarrat tables at the casino. i myself have seen them there.

it appears a lot of people in here think that a girl ( WL/ML ) would leave their home country by choice, to go to a foreign country to perform sexual services for money. i don't know why any logical person would think that. a ML would make $700 a day working. 5 days a week, $14,000 a month. if they work hard without spending too much, easily HALF A MILLION in three years. do people ever think, how is it some of the ML/WL are still in the industry after ten or more years ? do they really enjoy providing sexual services ? where did all the money they have earned all those years go to ? did they spend it all eating, drinking ? maybe some of it went to the purchase of LV handbags blah blah blah .... but i believe and i am also sure a lot of them are hooked on gambling.

[Kunta66]

My claim is based on actually sitting at the tables with ml/wg and watching them lose obscene amounts of money
I know and have seen it first hand how much they win and how much they lose that's why some are given the platinum cards because they spend they much money at Casino.

[Kunta66]

Not met but actually gone there with them and been introduced to other ml/wg maybe not a majority but there are a few with big gambling problems

[Massage 69]

Hi , I went out with a ML almost 2 years , a great girl had a great time and she always was upfront when we got more serious , most of them just switch on at work and play the game as do strippers , then go home forget about it and hang out with boyfriend , hubby or friends , its that simple . And the good money is the motivation , trust me if most of them could do something else and make decent money they would , well thats just my Experience ?

[gpeck80]

The days about ppl believing that relationships are all about love are long gone ...todays its transactional .....
4FoW2

We can literally thank Feminism for that.

[gpeck80]

People never stop growing and changing and sometimes people just grow apart. Most media gives unrealistic expectations of "happily ever after" and doesn't give any exposure to the reality of the human condition. Thats not to say that no relationship can last but without accepting that love with wax and wane you'll run into issues no matter how the relationship began.

Its not the media its feminism. Before feminism women were expected to be virgins, not sleep around and not cheat. If they were busted cheating, her husband could legally kick her out onto the street. Since Women are inherently transactional, they understood the common sense of maintaining loyalty to a contract that was transactional to the point of survival. And then feminists lobbied to remove that clause (no fault divorce - meaning she can cheat on you, pretend that your four sons are yours = fraud and suffer zero punishment in the divorce proceedings). Women are instinctual wayward money hungry whores that need to be oppressed for their own good. Today, having a live in girlfriend (for two years) is legally the same as a wife. A girlfriend living in your house (after two years) can literally sue you for half your house,d despite not putting a single cent toward it.
Feminism wasnt about empowerment, it was about removing any consequence for Females being slutty, disloyal and evil. We're living in sodom and gomorrah times. Dont wife them up. Just fk them for free if you can, pay for it if you cant and focus on your own happiness. Its the only level of happiness a man is alllowed to have any control over these days.

[Herpetology]

Don't ever Fall into that.
Just enjoy them some of the time, try different girls.
Becoming a regular customer is highly recommended at the best shops .
They love $! But not you in mose cases.
Just speaking from 20 yrs of experience, with Nice Asian Ladies. I find that the Asian Ladies are more understanding that my Australian girlfriends.
If you do date an Asian shop girl it is highly likely that she will no give up her job for you .

[harry444]

I'm old now, and feel sorry for the girls sometimes, but Asians are more understanding and accepting, if you have the money. And haven't met an Asian called Karen yet.

[ABCguy]

Its not the media its feminism. Before feminism women were expected to be virgins, not sleep around and not cheat. If they were busted cheating, her husband could legally kick her out onto the street. Since Women are inherently transactional, they understood the common sense of maintaining loyalty to a contract that was transactional to the point of survival. And then feminists lobbied to remove that clause (no fault divorce - meaning she can cheat on you, pretend that your four sons are yours = fraud and suffer zero punishment in the divorce proceedings). Women are instinctual wayward money hungry whores that need to be oppressed for their own good. Today, having a live in girlfriend (for two years) is legally the same as a wife. A girlfriend living in your house (after two years) can literally sue you for half your house,d despite not putting a single cent toward it.
Feminism wasnt about empowerment, it was about removing any consequence for Females being slutty, disloyal and evil. We're living in sodom and gomorrah times. Dont wife them up. Just fk them for free if you can, pay for it if you cant and focus on your own happiness. Its the only level of happiness a man is alllowed to have any control over these days.

You have to go further and realise it's not feminism though, it's the enablers. Who enabled all this? The white knights. If it wasn't for them then these things would not have come into law. I dislike the white knights more than I do the feminists. Next, it won't be surprising if they create a "Bachelor's tax" because of declining fertility rates because men don't want to take the risk anymore and even that will counter your suggestion of focusing on your own happiness. But I agree, if you don't want to be one of the growing male suicide statistics, for the time being until then, focusing on your own happiness or going your own way is the logical thing to do in today's culture/society.

[Stalkingbutler]

This is fascinating to read.

It’s amazing how the right words, reciprocal desire, kindness and attention can be intoxicating.

Especially when you are lonely, or feeling empty.

Is this an angle the women play regularly to hook a customer for longer and more regular visits or a power play? Or both?

So… help bring me back to my senses. Convince me I’m being played (or not)!

[Raffiz88]

I’m in the process of falling hard for an ML so this is fascinating to read.

It’s amazing how the right words, reciprocal desire, kindness and attention can be intoxicating. Not to mention receiving service quality that goes above and beyond standard extras.

Especially when you are lonely, or feeling empty.

Is seems this an angle the women play regularly to hook a customer for longer and more regular visits or a sadistic power play? Or both?

So… help bring me back to my senses. Convince me I’m being played (or not)!

You are not being played. You are just in delusion. Period.

There is nothing more to convince you. When you go to shop to buy something the attendant is nice to you, smiles at you while talking and says you look good in that shirt. Because that is her job and getting you to buy that shirt helps her reach her sales target. If you don't fall for her, then why are you falling for ML? It is their job and they are providing a service. Enjoy the service, respect the service provider. But end the story there.

I am friendly with few MLs and they seems to share a lot of their stories and life views with me. From what I heard, most of them have something broken inside them after seeing so many penis and married/committed men coming to them everyday, as described themselves.

Don't blame ML by saying they are playing you. You paid her to be nice to you and to provide service to you.

[Dr Grafton Everest]

Enjoy the service, respect the service provider. But end the story there.




Excellent advice

[Skip07]

I’m in the process of falling hard for an ML so this is fascinating to read.

It’s amazing how the right words, reciprocal desire, kindness and attention can be intoxicating. Not to mention receiving service quality that goes above and beyond standard extras.

Especially when you are lonely, or feeling empty.

Is seems this an angle the women play regularly to hook a customer for longer and more regular visits or a sadistic power play? Or both?

So… help bring me back to my senses. Convince me I’m being played (or not)!
Give this girl your phone number, explain that you are taking a break and that you won’t be seeing her in the shop again, and walk away. If she is into you, she will contact you. If not, you have your answer.

If you continue seeing her in the shop, you will only hurt yourself more and more.

[thematrixfly]

Avoid at all costs!

I am now going to give an example.

I unfortunately made the mistake of falling for a ML. Had a very long relationship (12yrs). Said She loved Me and will always be with me no matter what.
I was too gullible to see the warning signs. Was in a well paying Job, so did not mind slipping some money Her way.

It was only recently with the cost of living taking it's toll that I had to make some changes. First was letting Her know that the Pocket Money would be less. This is where it all went pear shaped. I was now called heartless, didn't love Her and not caring for having to do this. She was relying on the Money to help Her elderly Mother back home.
I suggested that we move in together to help try and save some money. (Cheaper Rent). I was now being told that I was taking advantage of Her. (WTF?)

At this point I decided to just let Her vent. We were done anyway, what more could hurt. The kicker is that because of our relationship, She had to pass up a better Job offer Interstate. (As If.)

You will be hurt. Have Your fun and no more. Walk away whilst You can.

[harry444]

You need to look at the culture differences. Australia gives you whatever you want via social security, etc. In a lot of Asian countries you will die without money.

[4FoW2]

So… help bring me back to my senses. Convince me I’m being played (or not)![/QUOTE]

You are vulnerable, thats all, many of us have been there.
How did your relationship start? = You paid her money.
Use your brain, you're smarter than that.
Remember she's supposed to be the sucker not you.
4FoW2

[Dr Grafton Everest]

My experience is that most MLs are quite lonely, and have a small social circle. Not all... But most. And a good many actually crave for a 'normal boyfriend' and 'normal life'.

I would say, for a decent and kind man, it is completely natural to develop feelings for a fair percentage of ML's.

I like women. I like having female friends more than male friends. I've had strong feelings for a number of ML's. And if any of them ever rang me and said "Grafton, can you please help me?" I would probably help them any time of day or night. (maybe I'd shy away from loaning a large sum of money.... I'm not reckless)

A 'happy medium' might be to ask the ML to be a social escort for you. See them in a more natural setting (outside shop), but agree on a time and price for the 'experience'... I've done this. Sometimes it's been great, sometimes not. But more often it's pretty fun.

But I strongly recommend you NEVER try and 'date' or form a 'relationship'. It's likely to end in turmoil for you, and possibly her.

Sexual jealousy is a curse, and it's NOT something that you can control with meditation or normal rational thinking... And it will sour things.

[Stalkingbutler]

This is all very solid feedback, I appreciate it. Believe it or not it’s actually quite helpful. Good to have perspective from others.

Feeling rather foolish really. And not bitter at the ML at all. I still think she is sweet and is only doing her job. Just, a little too well for someone still wet behind the ears.

The experiences have been worthwhile and I’ll be a lot less naive next time.

Now, to drown my sorrows!

[Dr Grafton Everest]

This is all very solid feedback, I honestly appreciate it. Believe it or not it’s actually quite helpful to my specific situation. Good to have perspective from a range of more experienced punters, I’ve only been in the game a short while.

Feeling rather foolish really. And not bitter at the ML at all. I still think she is sweet and is only doing her job. Just, a little too well for someone still wet behind the ears.

The experiences have been worthwhile and I’ll be a lot less naive next time someone I pay tells me they love me.

Now, to drown my sorrows!

It is indeed possible the woman does love you. I'd go further to say that a good many ML's would, from time to time, feel real love for at least one client.

But that does not change the dynamic... regardless is she 'feels true love for you' or 'feels true like for you' or 'feels a little for you'.... If you choose to try and form a relationship with a SW, you are still going to experience strong feelings of sexual jealousy. And that will be a major challenge for you.

[4FoW2]

This is all very solid feedback, I honestly appreciate it. Believe it or not it’s actually quite helpful to my specific situation. Good to have perspective from a range of more experienced punters, I’ve only been in the game a short while.Feeling rather foolish really. And not bitter at the ML at all. I still think she is sweet and is only doing her job. Just, a little too well for someone still wet behind the ears.The experiences have been worthwhile and I’ll be a lot less naive next time someone I pay tells me they love me. Now, to drown my sorrows!

Hi Stalking - through your honest writing you seem like a decent chap. One more bit of advice: if you know your demographic is for Asian girls be proactive and seek them outside MS. I'd be shoping at Sunnybank, visiting Inala Plaza, dropping into Garden City, maybe inner city and Southbank. I don't mind telling you some 20 years ago I moved suburbs to be closer to Asian central. For the past 15 years I have had an Asian partner who I would not swap for the world. When I was at high school I had a Taiwanese gf who was sweet and so sexy in her short school uniform, I knew this was my calling.
So if Asian girls are your hankering be proactive, seek and you will find. I did and if I did ...you know the rest.
Regards
4FoW2

[jaccky]

Sensible advice, run while you still can!

[gpeck80]

You have to go further and realise it's not feminism though, it's the enablers. Who enabled all this? The white knights. If it wasn't for them then these things would not have come into law. I dislike the white knights more than I do the feminists. Next, it won't be surprising if they create a "Bachelor's tax" because of declining fertility rates because men don't want to take the risk anymore and even that will counter your suggestion of focusing on your own happiness. But I agree, if you don't want to be one of the growing male suicide statistics, for the time being until then, focusing on your own happiness or going your own way is the logical thing to do in today's culture/society.

Go even further. Big business is the ultimate winner. Women spend more than they earn, so taking full time jobs away from men and giving them to women keeps spending up, which keeps inflation going up, which in essence is a hidden tax on everything. Two genders in all jobs (full time / part time /casual) jobs compared to one, creates more taxes than one and an oversupply of workers means wages are kept low (they started stagnating 5-10 years after feminism and that will continued as long as feminism isnt rolled back). Women are told to stay single, they get more into debt - debt slavery, before feminism women were not in debt at all. A woman in debt is easier to sexually/financially control/corrupt. Those that are depressed about being single, buy antidepression/anxiety meds, who profits? Big pharma. What is big pharma, big business? What is big business?

Patriarchy. Thus feminism is a tool used by patriarchy to oppress us all, through the guise of empowering women.

[gpeck80]

Right on the money. In this context there is an interesting interview with the late filmmaker and music promoter Aaron Russo who for some time got befriended by Nick Rockefeller. In that interview he explains - amongst other things that he learned from N. Rockefeller - why the 'global elite' invented and pushed feminism. The interview can be found on Youtube.

consider also this. Before women got the vote, their income was hidden and thus

COULDNT BE TAXED.

How could the authorities tax both genders? .... they thought. Hmmm. Eureka! Give women the vote. This meant they filled out a voting card - ie, where they lived, their occupation, how much land they owned, their income. All the information required to pay taxes.

The vote for women wasnt a good thing, and was again sold to them as empowerment. Women are naturally jealous of men. Tell them men have power that theyre missing out on and hey presto. Women fall for it. Women voting is a tool to oppress them and both genders financially. Having both genders (all adults) total information involved the creation of the big brother state. Until the vote, the only info the king of england had was birth, christening and death certificates filled out by a community's local priest. If you check literally every country and what year they started making women pay taxes, it happened just after giving women the vote.... Sneaky and clever.

[bradpitt]

How could the authorities tax both genders? .... they thought. Hmmm. Eureka! Give women the vote. This meant they filled out a voting card - ie, where they lived, their occupation, how much land they owned, their income. All the information required to pay taxes.
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Lets get back on the topic of having relationships with MLs & WGs.

I have to go to an asian county for a week of work. I am thinking of inviting one of the SBs that I met during the year to join me. She can then go off and visit her family after I leave. In one way it's time effective as I will have a live in girl at call for the first week I am there. Cost of air flight is probably similar to cost of different girl each night.

BUT I'm back in this same WGs/Sbs are all about money.

[maxg05]

Hi , I went out with a ML almost 2 years , a great girl had a great time and she always was upfront when we got more serious , most of them just switch on at work and play the game as do strippers , then go home forget about it and hang out with boyfriend , hubby or friends , its that simple . And the good money is the motivation , trust me if most of them could do something else and make decent money they would , well thats just my Experience ?
Just going through this old post. Can you pm a little more of some dramas you had ? Had a recent issue myself lol

[carlco777]

if you think you can fall in love with someone who sucks randoms off for cash, well, any kind of advice you get in here is not going to help you. you cannot be helped.

so-called 'love' is always selfish. how do you share ? impossible. if your wife cheated on you just once, can you forgive her ? how do you know there won't be a second time ? if she cheated on you, how far back did that happen ? would you take all your kids for DNA testing to make sure they are yours ? it goes on and on. if you cannot forgive your wife, how are you going to accept someone who willingly does things to other men for money, and then say to you that you are so so special ?

[Bed Wrecker]

People in love do stupid things. Ml or not.
One of Brisbanes best mls has a boyfriend who must be a fucking saint. He knows everything.

[joeblow251]

Maybe the "boyfriends" have worked out at least they are getting their turn for free and not like us losers paying for it... who knows... :)

[Jamesyouare]

I think it’s pretty straight - they “massage” for cash - what else they do you’ll NEVER know

Considering what non working girls do it’s just crazy

So as always exceptions but in the norm maybe if open and happy share the go there but maybe don’t call it “love” you cannot do normal shit in these situations

It’s best to be straight/honest/open- especially with yourself then her

[Michaelli2000]

Bros

Rathet than having relationship with ML, why not just go for no string attached KTV?

Do you know any KTV joints / Karaoke Bar in Brisbane that offer female companionship, singing and drinking together?

If you are from Asian countries, you would know what I mean

Thanks again

[exflux]

Bros

Rathet than having relationship with ML, why not just go for no string attached KTV?

Do you know any KTV joints / Karaoke Bar in Brisbane that offer female companionship, singing and drinking together?

If you are from Asian countries, you would know what I mean

Thanks again

underwood. japanese n korean

[jaccky]

Bros

Rathet than having relationship with ML, why not just go for no string attached KTV?

Do you know any KTV joints / Karaoke Bar in Brisbane that offer female companionship, singing and drinking together?

If you are from Asian countries, you would know what I mean

Thanks again

I didn't know these existed in Brisbane. How can I find these arrangements?

[harry444]

I didn't know either. Somebody do an after report would be good.

[Michaelli2000]

Exflux, may I know the karaoke joint name in Underwood?

Is it Y3 music?

[exflux]

that place don't got a name. you get in by invitation only. or you could prepay for your drinks first. you would need to tell them the number of people in your party, plus how long you staying for. they will work out a price for you. will be expensive but worth it.

[Michaelli2000]

Exflux, How do you get invitation there? Do you have any number?

[exflux]

you must know someone who knows someone. it is not open to the public.

[Michaelli2000]

Exflux, can you tell me any phone number?

I want to join

[exflux]

Exflux, can you tell me any phone number?

I want to join

i don't know you. i don't know your financial situation. i don't know if you are happy to pay for drinks and services. i don't know if you can afford to pay for drinks and services. i don't know if you are the type to complain about every tiny thing. i don't know if you are the type to get violent when drunk. and in case of any problems, i don't know where you live or how to find you. so, no, you might have to find your own way in.

[Michaelli2000]

I could afford to pay

Any other bros willing to share the contact number of this joint?

[miiata]

i don't think anyone in here can afford to go to this joint, since as it appears, everyone in here squabbling about prices.