60 minutes

[memememe]

See what impact this has on shops & punting

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j0GumFCjMLU

[Lovesadrink]

See what impact this has on shops & punting

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j0GumFCjMLU



All those fake fucking locanto adds!

[bradpitt]

All those fake fucking locanto adds!

we were thinking that police monitor this forum, seems it's the 60 minute journos. I'm sure when I read through the forum archive there are stories of debts.

human trafficking should definitely be cleaned up out of the industry

[Falcon2005]

See what impact this has on shops & punting

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j0GumFCjMLU

I was sitting in reception of a well know shop, where male receptionist {or whoever he was) and an older man were discussing bringing girl over to study ...really wasn't a nice discussion to listen too. The older guy just had that look about him.

[SmithChips]

I was sitting in reception of a well know shop, where male receptionist {or whoever he was) and an older man were discussing bringing girl over to study ...really wasn't a nice discussion to listen too. The older guy just had that look about him.

Was this Smile Springwood?

[bradpitt]

The older guy just had that look about him.

I found this part offensive. Do you know it's very hard to be an older guy and not have 'that look' when I'm talking about the 21 filo student I'm banging.

[miiata]

some of the guys in here were rejoicing when the borders were re-opening after COVID, insisting that more students were coming back for studies and therefore more people could potentially be working in them massage shops. it is this particular attitude that is encouraging human trafficking.

[harry444]

Human trafficking also applies to the sweat shops in the western suburbs. I think sexual human trafficking is very closely watched and almost totally eliminated. Only existing in the minds of the religious zealots, who want to remove anything that is fun for a man.

[VFlowers]

New guy here - please be kind.
New to actively participating in this forum, not new to the scene, that is.

1. Without having watched the full episode (and I am probably not going to), I doubt that this 60 min docu will have any impact, and it's not the first documentary of this kind.
2. While human trafficking is definitely going on and is defininetly a problem, I have yet to meet a ML that I would suspect to be a victim of trafficking. On the other hand I've seen quite a few expensive cars in the carparks of certain shops that were parked for longer than a usual session would last...
3. I have no doubt that some MLs are in the industry because they have no other marketable skills that would earn them the amount of money they need, some of them might be in debt, have children to provide for, other obligations, other predicaments, and that might put them in a situation where they are providing extra services that under normal circumstances they would not be comfortable providing. But all of that goes back to choices they made, and it also applies to other professions. I have had to do things in my profession that I was not comfortable with, too.
4. Police, journos, MLs, shop owners, wives, etc. might all read or even post here, and have been for a long time. I am sure a lot of law enforcement agents frequent shops, too, in a private capacity, some might even run 'protection' rackets, who knows.

The world is what it has always been. So in summary, absolutely nothing will change....

[VFlowers]

some of the guys in here were rejoicing when the borders were re-opening after COVID, insisting that more students were coming back for studies and therefore more people could potentially be working in them massage shops. it is this particular attitude that is encouraging human trafficking.

I am not really understanding your comment.
Are you saying that Australian Universities are trafficking students for the purpose of prostitution??
Or are you saying that Australian student visas are issued without checking if the applicants are genuine students?
Or are you saying that only Australians should work in massage shops because all foreign MLs might have been trafficked?

Those of the MLs that are students and whom I have met are usually in it to finance a lifestyle that would not be achievable by working in regular student jobs with the usual hourly rates, by relying on scholarships or parental support.

[harry444]

It's on 60 Minutes tonight.

[Holdan]

It's on 60 Minutes tonight.

I didn't watch it - what was it like?

[bradpitt]

I didn't watch it - what was it like?

available online here https://9now.nine.com.au/60-minutes/trafficked/9d30e0e3-a328-407e-8a5d-41a7b17743f0

[bradpitt]

available online here https://9now.nine.com.au/60-minutes/trafficked/9d30e0e3-a328-407e-8a5d-41a7b17743f0

mostly filmed in Qld, where hidden cameras are allowed.

undercovers the dodgy hotel sex scene in cheap motels in Qld

Cairns and Townsville got a grilling.

A brisbane motel is featured but I don't recognise it.

There is quite a bit of hidden camera in bedroom pics so someone must be making a few bookings in the name of good tv.

Secrethostess website is used.

[Dr Grafton Everest]

mostly filmed in Qld, where hidden cameras are allowed.

undercovers the dodgy hotel sex scene in cheap motels in Qld

Cairns and Townsville got a grilling.

A brisbane motel is featured but I don't recognise it.

There is quite a bit of hidden camera in bedroom pics so someone must be making a few bookings in the name of good tv.

Secrethostess website is used.


Gotta hate that site. Can't help but wonder if the researcher(s) really have a clue.

I, once upon a time, came across something I thought was a bit dodgy in a massage shop. I brought it up with a sex worker advocacy group (who I won't name)... And they explained what I saw. And there was a reasonable explanation for what I saw. I had been concerned that the ML was getting completely financially manipulated. What it really was: The business owner trying to segregate his identity from certain transactions. After some time, I got to learn that the ML I was worried about was actually VERY financially literate, and was not being 'ripped off' by the shop owner.

The group I spoke with thanked me for contacting them... and they commented that 'legit sex-work enforcement / trafficking' in QLD is quite rare (2018 era)... and it was their belief that when genuine 'legit sex-work enforcement / trafficking' cases arise, they were typically dealt with by QPS ... and swiftly.

[Holdan]

available online here https://9now.nine.com.au/60-minutes/trafficked/9d30e0e3-a328-407e-8a5d-41a7b17743f0

Many thanks Brad

[APL]

mostly filmed in Qld, where hidden cameras are allowed.

undercovers the dodgy hotel sex scene in cheap motels in Qld

Cairns and Townsville got a grilling.

A brisbane motel is featured but I don't recognise it.

There is quite a bit of hidden camera in bedroom pics so someone must be making a few bookings in the name of good tv.

Secrethostess website is used.

Brisbane motel looks like Acacia Ridge Hotel, 1386 Beaudesert Rd, Bro

[VFlowers]

I watched some of it last night.
In essence nothing new. Over the years I've watched quite a few of these reports, mostly about trafficking from East European countries, but same mechanisms and stories. Movies and TV series have been made about it (Human Trafficking w. Donald Sutherland, or the Belgian production Matroesjka's which ran on SBS a while ago). And of course, what's happening there is horrible.

But all that has nothing to do with the shops and ladies I am visiting.
Most of the MLs I know frequently travel to their countries of origin, so they must be in possession of their passports; one of the stars of the scene is currently in her home country afaik. A ML in Toowoomba that I know usually works one month, then travels one month, and so on. Not exactly the life of a sex slave.

[bradpitt]

Brisbane motel looks like Acacia Ridge Hotel, 1386 Beaudesert Rd, Bro

that was actually my thoughts as well but their statement "out of the way hotel" didn't remind me of beaudesert rd

[The Earl]

It's a shame that nothing was said about the Baiting and Switching that is rife in the industry. Advertisments of 22/23 year old. Then door opens to a boiler.

[gpeck80]

some of the guys in here were rejoicing when the borders were re-opening after COVID, insisting that more students were coming back for studies and therefore more people could potentially be working in them massage shops. it is this particular attitude that is encouraging human trafficking.

Disagree. None of those posts argued in favor of human trafficking. Youre reaching here.

[harry444]

A sexual activity where the girl is well paid and free to come and go as she likes, is not human trafficking.

[ABCguy]

Disappointing episode and a waste of time in my opinion. All the journo did was make some appointments via SMS (because they wouldn't answer their phone call attempt - oh gee such great evidence) and negotiated extras using a hidden camera with some WLs with some scary music behind it - is this what they call journalism today? There was a bit about a lawyer helping ladies with visas with suggestions about the sex industry, but not anything to convict him because I fail to see where it's not the lady's choice to come her and do such acts. There was linking a chinese man to what he did in UK but no evidence of what he was doing in Australia and they basically showed they sucked at trying to get an interview with him. I stopped watching journalists 10 years ago on free to air TV because they became garbage and a waste of time (nothing like the 90s and early 2000s), this is the first time since then I decided to watch them and I can still see it hasn't changed.

[VFlowers]

Disappointing episode and a waste of time in my opinion. All the journo did was make some appointments via SMS (because they wouldn't answer their phone call attempt - oh gee such great evidence) and negotiated extras using a hidden camera with some WLs with some scary music behind it - is this what they call journalism today? There was a bit about a lawyer helping ladies with visas with suggestions about the sex industry, but not anything to convict him because I fail to see where it's not the lady's choice to come her and do such acts. There was linking a chinese man to what he did in UK but no evidence of what he was doing in Australia and they sucked at trying to get an interview with him. I stopped watching journalists 10 years ago on free to air TV because they became garbage and a waste of time (nothing like the 90s and early 2000s), this is the first time since then I decided to watch them and I can still see it hasn't changed.

Fully agree!
This was the first time I watched a bit of '60 min' in years and I lasted maybe 15 min.

[Graychis]

Journalism on free view nowadays has virtually turned into clickbait.

[bradpitt]

surely the private investigators just had to watch for either the girl going to the bank to deposit or the agent coming to collect their cut.

problem is that the mobile numbers can't be tracked without warrants and for all we know the pimps running the girls in Brisbane are sitting in Sydney (or even overseas) both which make it harder.

Interested to know if we have nominations for the "organised" network girls in Brisbane at the moment? Darra motel anyone?

[Jamesyouare]

69 minutes has been crap for a while….

FFS most girls choose this work - using methods like backdoor visas is not trafficking but using loopholes

Not saying some are not trafficked or forced - it happens but I don’t agree it’s pandemic here - but let’s not let that get in the way of dirty trash tv…..

If they choose to make cash this way then it’s a choice - as long as it’s a choice

Not our issue the laws are stupid and have loopholes

Most girls I come across seem content and I hope they are

I hope the illegal traffickers are dealt with along with seedy boilers who rip people off

In the end we need to accept it’s a a seedy industry and attracts people who abuse it….so choose to use it or be in denial - either way it WILL roll on

[butyl]

that was actually my thoughts as well but their statement "out of the way hotel" didn't remind me of beaudesert rd

It's out of the way if you are used to staying in the city

[Tales]

I fucked a Korean at a brothel a few years ago and she was bragging that i was the first western guy she's fucked since she landed in OZ. I asked her about the circumstances of her work and she explained it all. 2 weekes at the current brothel then 2 weeks in Sydney then fly back to Korea. She paid an agen for the airfares and accommodation but she said she'd be 7 to 10k up when she gets back to Korea. She was happay as fuck to be here. A good sort and good fuck.

[Jamesyouare]

I’m the first guy they all fuck and when they start siesta first day, always in vibe that and “need training”

Despite this they have a stash of condone and could have sworn they were at another shop….

Most love the work and money - much younger I think I observed some exploitation but did not know how to handle at that age or what I was seeing

I’d love to see exploitation and bad elements stopped but while it’s murky it will involve this - try not to think about it and hope the real bad ones get what they deserve