Quality of Massage places

[Bobuq123]

Had two sessions, one on Saturday and the next was yesterday. Weekend one was popular sushi 🍣 place. Massage was good, but no tt, when the time to flip she asked is am a police 👮*♀️. What a crap.

Second one was popular water 💦 place. Booked a last session with Dxxxx, very chatty but effortless massage. Just putting oil all over and rubbing. Rushed for extras and went with two pine option. Useless.
I'm gg stick to my regular place. Can't compare the service and value I'm getting with any other places. Maybe it's my bad luck.

[Jamesyouare]

Sometimes it’s the girl not the place and the day not the girl….but yeh sometimes better to have a regular but it can get boring

[4FoW2]

After 4 dud massage experiences in a row I have decided to take a break. The service is pathetic in Brisb even at the well known shops.
I'm of the age and experience that just by taking off their clothes and grabbing my dick it doesn't excite me and most girls thats all they want to do and get paid handsomely for that.
See how long I last but their is nothing in Brisbane now to excite me or motivate me to part with my hard earned cash.
4FoW2

[johnny blaze]

Yeah the shop scene in Brisbane is quite poor at the moment. There is still one girl at one shop that I frequent but frankly everything else is way below what should be the acceptable standard.

[Jamesyouare]

After 4 dud massage experiences in a row I have decided to take a break. The service is pathetic in Brisb even at the well known shops.
I'm of the age and experience that just by taking off their clothes and grabbing my dick it doesn't excite me and most girls thats all they want to do and get paid handsomely for that.
See how long I last but their is nothing in Brisbane now to excite me or motivate me to part with my hard earned cash.
4FoW2

Did this a while back

Brisbane has always been funny - overpriced with a high percentage of low quality

It’s getting worse not better frankly - the odd gem is long gone and it’s got to everyone hiding what is average and not reporting average and thinking this is acceptable

Sydney has also dropped but it’s terrible here - i know some girls travel here so I think do they up price and drop quality when they hit the border - it goes to the whole issue

This is why I don’t bother with thinking it’s anything more than good service when you do get it - I know they play games and social catch-ups with anyone fake does not work for me - thankfully I’m not that desperate for company yet 🤪

And prices here are impossible to navigate - our base plus 4p is maybe half that in Sydney - the diamond service in brothels where quality has dropped a little is around $300 for the hour and most of us would like those prices if we could get them

It’s hard to find decent BS for anything less than 150 total 30min and the 250 mark for FS total for say an hour -

Understand price rises, cost of hotels etc but I saw a post from a disgruntled WL going on about hair, makeup, the effort etc - you see her she’s worn out, hair out of place from last guy who you probably passed on way in and rushes, complains about the bad ones - you kind of want to say just massage/suck/whatever - I did not book and pay unjustified costs to listen to whining - the Asian’s do less of this but use broken English to money grab and hide/bait-switch etc

I think we all need to decide what works but after that I might take a break now 😤

[Holdan]

For me it is about meeting expectations. And that is an individual position. And can vary day to day. Some believe they are paying good money and so their expectation is for a high quality service. Can't argue with that. And when that expectation is not met ( an there are countless posts attesting to that), the punter is annoyed, angry, disappointed etc. The interesting aspect of this is that the individual punter sets his expectation. No one else. So an alternative is to lower your expectation and there is a greater chance you will have it met. Happy days!!

[johnny blaze]

For me it is about meeting expectations. And that is an individual position. And can vary day to day. Some believe they are paying good money and so their expectation is for a high quality service. Can't argue with that. And when that expectation is not met ( an there are countless posts attesting to that), the punter is annoyed, angry, disappointed etc. The interesting aspect of this is that the individual punter sets his expectation. No one else. So an alternative is to lower your expectation and there is a greater chance you will have it met. Happy days!!
And this is why the whole industry is going downhill. People are just accepting poor service for the same price or more in some cases. Back in the day you could walk into gtm1, gtm2, zen, bubbles south bris, t5, lmh, acqua, anytime and you were guaranteed to have a good time with a good looking woman. Now I see the lineup and walk

[harry444]

I'll continue to enjoy myself in ignorance of what's happening in the outside world.

[Scotty from Marketing]

Im not seeng the same issues. Ive learned to assess a new ml quickly and at worst i throw the massage cost out the window.
I carry a positive energy into the room and if all they think is that im a bit weird, so be it. Most are fairly open to a different experience. Stand out, enjoy yourself and if its a dud, move on. Hundreds of shops and thousands of mls in brisbane.

[Honeybadger]

But If it’s lack of quality - boilers - then you walk surely and don’t stay. Easy.
If it’s lack of range of menu or price, then depending on wat yur other head says u might stay or not and then maybe regret yur decision … not so easy.
I’m hating the idea that a ML might lead u on a promise for a wider menu (that might never materialise) by becoming a regular. You read these threads and who knows wat actually happened
On that basis I’ll take my chances on EB .. ?
I know candy at 150 will be Good VFM at the cheaper end.. certainly no boiler and pic accurate. (Not vid). I know the price, menu before I arrive and can leave if it’s a switch before my other head gets too big for his boots and try other options?

[Herpetology]

True
Harry
Each massage girl has her own style and way she massages, communication is very important when I am with a massage girl in the room.
I do not believe all shops offer a bad service and that the Brisbane Massage shops are terrible.
Owners can not watch the girls in a room but can receive feed back from regular customers then advise girls on Technique, Style and Skills.
shit happens in some shops.

[SmithChips]

I agree the standards have dropped now across the board in Brisbane compared to a few years ago. Still some gems and good girls, but the volume of good services is far from back a few years ago. It's so much easier now to have an average punt than it is to have a great experience.

[The Professor]

Lower my expectations. Your philosophy to make me happy is to accept a lesser quality of performance.
There may be hundreds of shops with thousands of ML in Brisbane at the moment but 95% of them give shit service, well thats my observation after punting here for some 40+ years.
I can go to Thailand and get a FL for $42AD for 2 hrs ST on Sukhumvit Rd- I often get LT for around $100 AD - yeah I know thats Thailand but you talk about VFM.
If you are getting what you think is good service for a fair price good to you, what do they say ignorance is bliss.
Prof

[BrisbaneOptions]

With the amount of tradies etc that visit these girls I'm not sure why the idea behind strikes/protests hasn't prevailed. Brisbane is shit atm compared to a decade ago and all we have to do is simply refuse service and start offering the money we think is fair. They either accept the price or make nothing. These girls don't get to choose the pricing structure - we do. It would be very simple to boost services and make pricing much more affordable if punters stuck together for even a few weeks.

[Selecta]

I started that months ago, welcome to join the "Haggle Club" 😂

[harry444]

Haggling could get the wrong results. Not many ML'S enjoy wanking a fat, ugly, old guy. You might just scare them off.

[BrisbaneOptions]

I'm sure they would enjoy it more than making no money because we refuse to pay for overpriced service

[Scotty from Marketing]

I'm sure they would enjoy it more than making no money because we refuse to pay for overpriced service
Unlike brothels a lot, not all, of these women have standards they dont compromise on. If they are desperate for money or have lower standards they may drop price etc. For most its just a grubby way to earn money to survive.
Many, many mls would rather take no money than have someone they dont like and have no respect for haggling for a discount. Always the next guy.

[4FoW2]

Unlike brothels a lot, not all, of these women have standards they dont compromise on. If they are desperate for money or have lower standards they may drop price etc. For most its just a grubby way to earn money to survive.
Many, many mls would rather take no money than have someone they dont like and have no respect for haggling for a discount. Always the next guy.

But if the next guy haggles and the next and the next etc. There's only so long you can keep refusing money. Interesting people try to suggest some ML have morals yet they work in this industry. Agree with Brisoptions comment " They either accept the price or make nothing." Lets say your boss says he's going to cut your pay by 20% - are you going to say fuck you I'd rather get no money. You gotta agree money is one of the strongest motivators.
And agree with the Professor - I'm not lowering my expectations.

[Yellow Fever]

I’m undecided on this topic…quite divisive?

Maybe 3 months ago, had a punting burst. Tried some shops new to me, and some of the name shops, with different girls. With no expectations, very underwhelming would be my comment….even scary on a couple of occasions. So, I pulled the pin…took a break, backed right off.

I’ve got a standard pricing number in my head, 1-4 pineapples?
Whether that cost results in VFM probably depends on connection with the ML?

I’ve never had a problem walking, saying no to the extra offered, if I thought it would be an effort, rather than a pleasure? I don’t haggle, not playing that game….mood killer.
Pay up front, yeah, been asked on many occasions. If I’ve chosen to return…never been asked to pay upfront again.
Post Covid, I’ve only experienced a grab for cash on maybe 4 or 5 occasions…..some ridiculous elevated price. Each time, just settled on the massage only.

Anyway, in the last couple of weeks, been contacted by a couple of the old regs.
So, I took my chance, and the rewards where memorable.

That gets me thinking….is it them, or us to blame?
Maybe the standard of service is down….cause the standard of client is too?

[harry444]

Just a comment on an earlier post. I don't think the suggestion that someone works in the sex industry automatically means they have low moral standards.

[iamking]

I think that after punting a long time our expectations change or we get desensitised.
We want younger, prettier, extras.
Looking back and comparing, we forget the mediocre punts and the lost money and only remember the good times. Rose coloured glasses. In the past I've wasted money, time and fluids at Cloud9, Rosemary, Zen, Star, GTM, SSDS, FG, T5 and others. But I've had sensational punts and ladies there as well which make the bad ones disappear. Many times our memories deceive us. Music, fashion, times were better, but were they really?

I loved Glory, as good as Ocean or Red? Had an ML a few months back who opened up every hole within 3 sessions and made me extend and extend the session, which ended up better than the memory of my threesome at Zen with 2 Japanese beauties. It was a fantasy come true at the time. But after the recent ML session, nothing compared. She left and went back home, I was left frustrated with having to go back to standard pineapple pricing and services.

So I stopped for 2 months (I was interstate anyway) and when I returned a couple of MS owners were happy to see me (maybe they thought i left for another shop) and they provided top MLs who gave great extras. I was surprised, but some shops try hard to keep good customers.

Yes some customers haggle the massage fee, even when it's low or the same for years. Some want value for money but FS at $100... very few Sydney shops offer that and at that price they too are boilers.
Yes MLs can be bad. Some will inflate their prices some will provide poor service. Just walk and don't come back. No shop is perfect, no ML is perfect and no customer is perfect. If you want certainty go to a brothel, have regular MLs or be friendly with the masaman.

[VFlowers]

Just a comment on an earlier post. I don't think the suggestion that someone works in the sex industry automatically means they have low moral standards.

And in addition to that, having 'moral standards' is not identical to having some limits as to what services they are comfortable providing - for which there might be a plethora of reasons.

[Jamesyouare]

Yep combination of changing views and punters getting worse too but this “protest” approach is just ridiculous - in the end at best any good girl who has regulars chases month in Sydney etc - we are left with even worsening boilers but hey….

In the end there is no real solution - it is the state of the market - I hope with some tightening there will be more competition and the good ones get better and more to choose from with boilers easier to spot or they find it harder

[4FoW2]

Persons exchanging sex for money is not seen as low moral behaviour. Try to win that arguement with your wife, mother, even wouldn't pass the Pub Test.

[Ptyltd#69]

If in the current market the Boss is a bottom feeder and wants to reduce your pay by 20% for no plausible reason other than to line his own pockets and your respect for the Boss, interest in his job and what he represents is low, then likely you'll not take the cut and move on to the next job.

Why suffer a pay cut when the same or likely more money is to be had elsewhere working for a Boss that rewards the effort you put in? If you won't pay market rates no suitable person will work for you. In the room, in Brisbane those that squabble over 20% in November 2022 are playing in the wrong game, they're lost and won't ever win, hence the talk of taking a break, this is the reality.

When a retiree with time to burn wants to play hardball then fair enough and good for them but for others with disposable income but no disposable time, meeting the market is a no brainer as it gives the best odds of a worthwhile experience, actually saves money long term and saves the most precious thing of all, time.

[Dr Grafton Everest]

Persons exchanging sex for money is not seen as low moral behaviour. Try to win that argument with your wife, mother, even wouldn't pass the Pub Test.

For 30 years I've sought sex-workers. And I've tried many different types. (women, not men). I'd say for >50%, I'd describe them as exceptionally generous and patient.

As for punters, I'm not sure... It's my guess that >50% are quite damaged, and of those >50% were damaged at a young age. It's my belief that a majority ARE respectful.

Do my beliefs pass the 'pub test' ?

[Ptyltd#69]

If you're wife, mother and those at the pub aren't so bright then the argument wont be won, if they have some level of intelligence then there is no argument, clearly morals aren't at play when a mutually benifiting arrangement is taking place massage, sex or whatever.

[Holdan]

I was married to a ML/WL - I wouldn't say she lacked morals initially - until she continued doing FS after we were married and promised to stop it. Needless to say, that was the end of the marriage. Beiing with her gave me an insight into their mindset albeit a small sample size (I met a few of her good friends who were also in the sex business). Interestingly all her friends woere sex workers. She didn't have any other freinds. I guess it's hard to have non-sex worrker freinds in those circumstances. A bit off topic I know

[The Professor]

Had a friend who had sex, sold her drugs and did whatever with a 14 year old girl in Cebu - he said he felt no moral shame as it was a mutually beneficial arrangement.
Apparently all his friends at the pub who had some level of intelligence agreed.
Puff Puff Prof

[Ptyltd#69]

Clearly it wasn't mutually beneficial, you've just stated that 'he' said it was, not her. Thats quite the example though, I do wonder how you came up with it? Please tell us more. I'm thankful I don't drink, no need to visit your pub. Puff puff.

[harry444]

Best not to be too subtle at this time on a Sat night after we've all had a few.

[The Professor]

For some on this forum wouldn't matter what time it was.

[Yellow Fever]

If in the current market the Boss is a bottom feeder and wants to reduce your pay by 20% for no plausible reason other than to line his own pockets and your respect for the Boss, interest in his job and what he represents is low, then likely you'll not take the cut and move on to the next job.

Why suffer a pay cut when the same or likely more money is to be had elsewhere working for a Boss that rewards the effort you put in? If you won't pay market rates no suitable person will work for you. In the room, in Brisbane those that squabble over 20% in November 2022 are playing in the wrong game, they're lost and won't ever win, hence the talk of taking a break, this is the reality.

When a retiree with time to burn wants to play hardball then fair enough and good for them but for others with disposable income but no disposable time, meeting the market is a no brainer as it gives the best odds of a worthwhile experience, actually saves money long term and saves the most precious thing of all, time.

Yeah, accept your point of view, in its presentation ….difficult to argue against.
However, disposable income, paying ‘market rates’, set by others, can dilute the the end return?
Splash the cash, easy money for minimal effort…the expected market rate is set? More �� = less?

Anyway, I do agree 100% about the haggle…why even bother?
From my experience; the best experiences have never even involved a conversation over money….I guess that’s when the trade becomes mutual?

[Dr Grafton Everest]

From my experience; the best experiences have never even involved a conversation over money….


These are wise words

[Selecta]

Im a believer in the free market. Arguably, western society is built on the haggle, so good things can come from it, under the right circumstances.
I have had awesome punts where I haggled before the massage. One thing this reveals is whether you should walk immediately, rather than lay naked and limp dicked (whilst a ML prods you with her finger, after just refusing her extras)
If your going to just "pay up" because "your better than that" then good for you, but your the one who is paying for that Noddy Badge, not us hagglers😏

[Perusal]

After being in a relationship with someone who had been dumped by their former husband with no money, I can certainly see how someone foreign and poorly equipped to navigate Government support and the job market for good, honest work, can be enticed into and fooled into thinking it is the only way to survive. This girl was from a good family, and had been in a well-off relationship with kids etc and had always worked in low-skill jobs, but on her own with nothing and no-clue, and a bunch of Thai "friends" trying to lure her in, it's easy to see how someone with good morals can get trapped as a matter of survival.

[HST]

After being in a relationship with someone who had been dumped by their former husband with no money, I can certainly see how someone foreign and poorly equipped to navigate Government support and the job market for good, honest work, can be enticed into and fooled into thinking it is the only way to survive. This girl was from a good family, and had been in a well-off relationship with kids etc and had always worked in low-skill jobs, but on her own with nothing and no-clue, and a bunch of Thai "friends" trying to lure her in, it's easy to see how someone with good morals can get trapped as a matter of survival.
Most do the work because it pays so well compared to working as a waitress/cleaner/other type of low skilled job. Thai girls in particular seem to enter the industry because a friend tells them how much they can earn. I know a couple of girls who did this. Doesn't mean they like the job, but they certainly like the money.

Another point: A well known ML told me a few years back that she thought most girls who had been doing the job for a while had, as she put it "mental problems". I said what about you? And she just nodded. She is still in the industry, although not working as many days. Obviously likes the money she makes too much to give it up

[dave.j8811]

Lots of international students get sucked into it. And owners often prey on them

[Blueshirtguy]

I have had a long relationship with a WL who was a very good girl and got into it for the exact reasons above. Came over as a student, and was working hard in low-skill jobs for years while having friends who had money and time that she did not. Not to mention the responsibility of sending money home to the family. One day she found out what they were doing. She was such a good girl, that she got into the industry as a virgin, in her late twenties, and hated her first shift only to leave saying she would never return. 2 months of struggling back in the low skill job again, and with the memory of the first experience fading in her mind and she decided to go back and give it another go. Took a very strategic approach to the job. Spent 5 years working as a WL in various shops. Never ML and Never private. Never took STI or STD risks. It was very much a job. She focused on what sort of things got her picked over other girls, and then what sort of things brought repeat clients. She basically got good at pretending to be what she knew the clients wanted. I think this eventually becomes a very blurred line, but thats for another time. Never had dates outside the shop, and never mixed business with pleasure. Very mechanical in her approach, but just like an actor practises at being realistic, so she worked on being able to mimic the feelings that we all look for in an "amazingly connected experience". She said she could make people think she was into them but she really wasn't. In 5 years, she bought her mom a house, bought herself land and built herself a house. Has a nice nest egg waiting for her. Just like we strive at our workplace, so do ML and WL at theirs.

So what does this tell us about ML/WL. Its just a job. The longer you do your job, assuming you are at least partly interested and motivated to improve, you will get better at what you do. This is what they do. Be very careful if you think a certain word, or a body language, or a smile, is you detecting that an ML is into you. There is always the slimmest of chances that they are, but the overwhelmingly greater chance is that they are doing what they do best.

So what does this mean for the market place. She was in a competitive environment. She had to compete against other girls. She had to way up the risks of asking for more money, vs getting repeat business. She did this on very straight forward principles. Is the punter solid or dodgy. The better presented the punter, the more likely she was to treat him as a prospect as a repeat client. ie. don't overcharge, because the repeat work is far better than an extra pineapple here or there. Equally, the more solid the punter, the more likely she was to give her best performance. She wanted to win the repeat work over her competition.

So while there will always be the exceptions, my experience tells me that there is a market place out there that is being influenced by all the same factors of any other market place. Performance (quality), reliability and cost underpinned by supply and demand factors will dictate the state of play. There is very little we can do to change this side of things. As a punter, however, there is plenty you can do to ensure that the gems out there take notice of you and give you that experience that is reliable, VFM and regular so long as you know the rules of the game.

[rojerramjet]

I have had a long relationship with a WL who was a very good girl and got into it for the exact reasons above. Came over as a student, and was working hard in low-skill jobs for years while having friends who had money and time that she did not. Not to mention the responsibility of sending money home to the family. One day she found out what they were doing. She was such a good girl, that she got into the industry as a virgin, in her late twenties, and hated her first shift only to leave saying she would never return. 2 months of struggling back in the low skill job again, and with the memory of the first experience fading in her mind and she decided to go back and give it another go. Took a very strategic approach to the job. Spent 5 years working as a WL in various shops. Never ML and Never private. Never took STI or STD risks. It was very much a job. She focused on what sort of things got her picked over other girls, and then what sort of things brought repeat clients. She basically got good at pretending to be what she knew the clients wanted. I think this eventually becomes a very blurred line, but thats for another time. Never had dates outside the shop, and never mixed business with pleasure. Very mechanical in her approach, but just like an actor practises at being realistic, so she worked on being able to mimic the feelings that we all look for in an "amazingly connected experience". She said she could make people think she was into them but she really wasn't. In 5 years, she bought her mom a house, bought herself land and built herself a house. Has a nice nest egg waiting for her. Just like we strive at our workplace, so do ML and WL at theirs.

So what does this tell us about ML/WL. Its just a job. The longer you do your job, assuming you are at least partly interested and motivated to improve, you will get better at what you do. This is what they do. Be very careful if you think a certain word, or a body language, or a smile, is you detecting that an ML is into you. There is always the slimmest of chances that they are, but the overwhelmingly greater chance is that they are doing what they do best.

So what does this mean for the market place. She was in a competitive environment. She had to compete against other girls. She had to way up the risks of asking for more money, vs getting repeat business. She did this on very straight forward principles. Is the punter solid or dodgy. The better presented the punter, the more likely she was to treat him as a prospect as a repeat client. ie. don't overcharge, because the repeat work is far better than an extra pineapple here or there. Equally, the more solid the punter, the more likely she was to give her best performance. She wanted to win the repeat work over her competition.

So while there will always be the exceptions, my experience tells me that there is a market place out there that is being influenced by all the same factors of any other market place. Performance (quality), reliability and cost underpinned by supply and demand factors will dictate the state of play. There is very little we can do to change this side of things. As a punter, however, there is plenty you can do to ensure that the gems out there take notice of you and give you that experience that is reliable, VFM and regular so long as you know the rules of the game.
Absolutely correct....

[Dr Grafton Everest]

I have had a long relationship with a WL who was a very good girl and got into it for the exact reasons above. Came over as a student, and was working hard in low-skill jobs for years while having friends who had money and time that she did not. Not to mention .......... so long as you know the rules of the game.

Thankyou, IMO there are a LOT of punters that need to read this.

Especially Marco on the PP forum ;) ...... poor Marco

[Shannonnoll12345678910]

Quality has dropped in the western suburbs over the past year... girls expecting too much $ for too little.

[Dannyboy22]

Quality might have dropped but a lot of staff at lmh so some must be good

[Bobuq123]

Thought to book only old gem working with the new management @T5. When arrived the other girl said she went to get a drink. Then she said she's not answering and seems not coming back. I was about to leave and she was keep trying to convince me that she's good at massage. Went for 45min, she talks lot but not closer to the old service. When I asked cross questions strategically, I realised the popular gem wasn't on the roster but this is the trick they try to get the regular customers.
Don't think this place will last long 🥲

[joeblow251]

Thought to book only old gem working with the new management @T5. When arrived the other girl said she went to get a drink. Then she said she's not answering and seems not coming back. I was about to leave and she was keep trying to convince me that she's good at massage. Went for 45min, she talks lot but not closer to the old service. When I asked cross questions strategically, I realised the popular gem wasn't on the roster but this is the trick they try to get the regular customers.
Don't think this place will last long ��

Havent been myself, but others have mentioned they have seen 2 from the previous T5 pre imploding time - is that not true?

[Slops]

Visited T5 yesterday with similar experience to bobuq 123's.

[lashings74]

Drove past today about 11, and was all shut up with gates shut

[Bobuq123]

One was working at the beginning (think she agreed to previous boss) the other supposed to work somewhere in November. Think new trend doesn't provide any intensive to work.

[Bobuq123]

More they do more they loose customers