Sugarbabes comparing notes and coaching each other much more than Sugardaddies here

[andrewv]

I came across yet another forum on Reddit for sugarbabes comparing notes and coaching each other on how to get as many dollars as possible. Granted, most are in USA, but no doubt the same applies in Australia. Here is a link:

https://www.reddit.com/r/SugarBABYonlyforum/comments/127n0f0/ppm/

I only wish we sugardaddies have an equally effective forum to share and compare, rather than keep the girls we meet secret from others --- pretending that most of them are bonking away many more than just one of us. One I met 3 years ago finally told me when I decided to stop seeing her that she had 5 guys on the go, each paying $500 a week (yep, that's $2,500 p.w. or $130,000 p.a. tax free) earned "working" only 10 to 15 hours a week.

[dotcumdotinyou]

I had to laugh at the comments "they're on the web cause they're desperate for pussy" and "its a privilege to be with me".

The one thing that's coming out of that site is they're pushing up prices and belittling any girl that does it for $500. Don't think that's not going to filter through to here.

[andrewv]

I had to laugh at the comments "they're on the web cause they're desperate for pussy" and "its a privilege to be with me".

The one thing that's coming out of that site is they're pushing up prices and belittling any girl that does it for $500. Don't think that's not going to filter through to here.

I am getting several girls on seeking dot com in Sydney asking for $800 to $1000 per meet!!! I stopped asking girls what allowance they're after because they have all coached each other to reply saying "my last arrangement I was getting $800" or similar. This way to make the new guy contacting them to think that is a normal amount. It's bullshit.

The other tactic I now use is not to M&A (meet and greet) and have the bullshit conversation about paying them $100 or even more to have coffee with me to see if we click. Instead, I know say that we first have to have a 3 or 4 minute Facetime (video) call to see each other and ask them to show me what they look like (dressed) and not just their face. This way, it saves time and their over-promise-under-deliver.

When I send my first message to them, I always say that if we don't meet for fun after 2 or 3 messages and 1 video call, then I am not interested. Some girls try to keep guys roaming in the background for weeks while they look for nutter men who would pay $1000 per fuck... I unplug girls that are shopping around for the highest bidder.

[DrBean]

You’re paying too much.

[ditchtheboss]

Finally a useful thread on SBs. The way I view it is that I have the sugar and I am the benefit not them. I have dozens of messages each day. I don’t offer them a ppm first I get them to give me their number but I warn that I dont bargain. I am fi ding the younger ones usually ask about 700, I thank them for their time really politely, wish them all the best and every time they immediately drop it to 500.

I also don’t pay to just meet and if we are not meeting quickly I will move on.

It’s been working like a treat

[andrewv]

Finally a useful thread on SBs. The way I view it is that I have the sugar and I am the benefit not them. I have dozens of messages each day. I don’t offer them a ppm first I get them to give me their number but I warn that I dont bargain. I am fi ding the younger ones usually ask about 700, I thank them for their time really politely, wish them all the best and every time they immediately drop it to 500.

I also don’t pay to just meet and if we are not meeting quickly I will move on.

It’s been working like a treat

That's wise advice. Thanks. I agree the younger ones (18 to 25) tend to think we men are ATM (Automatic Teller Machines) and in fact there was a couple of girls in recent years who did write (jokingly or not) that "I am looking for an ATM daddy"). The late 20s and early 30s are also better in knowing how to enjoy the encounter. Long ago I met a Chinese uni student who said she was 20. She undressed then laid down on bed and thought this is all she needs to do.... like a fuc--ing blow up doll. She must have thought this is a fantastic deal to earn $500 cash and simply let the guy do his thing.

[dotcumdotinyou]

Well if you read the forum the girls are on they have the sugar and they are the benefit. As the girl quoted to the her fellow sugarbabes "they're on the web because they're desperate for pussy".

The "view" depends entirely on which side of the fence you're looking over doesn't it?

[cocktopus]

Well if you read the forum the girls are on they have the sugar and they are the benefit. As the girl quoted to the her fellow sugarbabes "they're on the web because they're desperate for pussy".

The "view" depends entirely on which side of the fence you're looking over doesn't it?

100% it's all about perspective.

You could argue most SDs can get what they want cheaper and with less effort from a WL, whereas a SB would need to put in more effort, ie: work, to get what they want.

Based on that argument you'd say the babies are "more desperate" than the daddies. Paying men have way more options.

[ditchtheboss]

That's wise advice. Thanks. I agree the younger ones (18 to 25) tend to think we men are ATM (Automatic Teller Machines) and in fact there was a couple of girls in recent years who did write (jokingly or not) that "I am looking for an ATM daddy"). The late 20s and early 30s are also better in knowing how to enjoy the encounter. Long ago I met a Chinese uni student who said she was 20. She undressed then laid down on bed and thought this is all she needs to do.... like a fuc--ing blow up doll. She must have thought this is a fantastic deal to earn $500 cash and simply let the guy do his thing.

Thanks mate. My experience has been that we, with the cash, have the upper hand so to speak. Other things are up too… I am seeing my main SB tonight the I have 3 girls wanting to meet me on Saturday. I haven’t approached them, they approached me. I don’t think we are desperate, I can ways get a WL a little cheaper anyway. Having said that I find sex with SBs way better than the brother. No buzzer, no routine, dinner out after. Happy days

[apokalypse]

I am getting several girls on seeking dot com in Sydney asking for $800 to $1000 per meet!!! I stopped asking girls what allowance they're after because they have all coached each other to reply saying "my last arrangement I was getting $800" or similar. This way to make the new guy contacting them to think that is a normal amount. It's bullshit.

The other tactic I now use is not to M&A (meet and greet) and have the bullshit conversation about paying them $100 or even more to have coffee with me to see if we click. Instead, I know say that we first have to have a 3 or 4 minute Facetime (video) call to see each other and ask them to show me what they look like (dressed) and not just their face. This way, it saves time and their over-promise-under-deliver.

When I send my first message to them, I always say that if we don't meet for fun after 2 or 3 messages and 1 video call, then I am not interested. Some girls try to keep guys roaming in the background for weeks while they look for nutter men who would pay $1000 per fuck... I unplug girls that are shopping around for the highest bidder.

i agreed..especially for people like myself who are introverted and stuff, need a good vibe and check out who they really are through webcam..it's cheap to get 2nd phone number these days.

[andrewv]

i agreed..especially for people like myself who are introverted and stuff, need a good vibe and check out who they really are through webcam..it's cheap to get 2nd phone number these days.

True. Good luck. Facetime or WhatsApp video calls for a few minutes will save you from the scams some girls are operating where they want you to buy expensive lunches or dinners and/or pay them $100 to $200 just to M&G (meet and greet). This is bullshit, and often they have no intention to sleep with the sugardaddies. It is well documented on many of their forum discussions.

[ReginaldBubbles]

I have 3 girls wanting to meet me on Saturday. I haven’t approached them, they approached me.

And they approached a bunch of other guys and probably seeing one of them instead

[andrewv]

... deleted and moved to another thread ....

[roshnikhanna]

Nice thread, Thanks

[ditchtheboss]

Well, that’s the game.in the brothel we are the next one in line. Here is no different just better I think

[ColesBag]

I think it's cute that these women think that they're not escorts.

[apokalypse]

funny post How do you guys sleep with the older gross ones? and one reply is "The only way is to think about the money you're getting out of it." or "The power and wealth is what does it for me. I think about the shoes, the cars"

money can do alot of things to people..there's people who not going to do it but some could do it even who is married, there's a lady at the start saying no but willing to do it for thousands of dollar and i have seeing many like that lady for higher price.

[andrewv]

I think it's cute that these women think that they're not escorts.

Severs sugarbabes over recent years explained to me that indeed they’re not escorts because they have power to choose which men to meet and be paid by them, while “escorts” usually accept any man that calls and books.

This is how sugarbabes convince themselves that they’re not hookers.

[dotcumdotinyou]

That's rich...

From what I read they don't choose guys who don't have money or won't pay their price...exactly like an escort.

[Ausinsin]

From the amount of arguing on the other Sb threads, not surprised they're sharing info better

[Frederic]

Because mate most people who comment here are just in the peanut gallery rather than real sugar daddies. Surprised if 80% have ever been with a girl off seeking etc

Also no private space here to talk about it. I mean I can read comments people make without even being logged in! NFW I'm going to comment on a specific girl and what I think of her. Too easy to finger me. Happy to keep things general chat but thats it.

[ditchtheboss]

I agree with you. There is no way I will comment on a SB I have been with on these threads. I barely do in messages.

WRT if they are escorts or not, notwithstanding the fact they can choose who they see, these girls are fucking many many guys so call them what you will. They are getting paid for sex.

Spent 5 hours yesterday with a new SB at her place. She made finish 3 time. A hot little thing with a fetish to see other girls and to see big guys fucking really little girls. She showed me what she watches on pornhub and omg you wouldn’t believe what she masturbates to. These innocent looking, young students with their beds covered with soft toys of anime’s and whatever are wicked. I will be honest I was a little shocked.

This is as much as I will talk about here. Won’t say who she is or anything else

I think SBs are an interesting variation between WLs and escorts. Interesting and enjoyable experience if you can afford

[andrewv]

I agree with you. There is no way I will comment on a SB I have been with on these threads. I barely do in messages.

WRT if they are escorts or not, notwithstanding the fact they can choose who they see, these girls are fucking many many guys so call them what you will. They are getting paid for sex.

Spent 5 hours yesterday with a new SB at her place. She made finish 3 time. A hot little thing with a fetish to see other girls and to see big guys fucking really little girls. She showed me what she watches on pornhub and omg you wouldn’t believe what she masturbates to. These innocent looking, young students with their beds covered with soft toys of anime’s and whatever are wicked. I will be honest I was a little shocked.

This is as much as I will talk about here. Won’t say who she is or anything else

I think SBs are an interesting variation between WLs and escorts. Interesting and enjoyable experience if you can afford

Are you prepared to share SB names through DM here? Thanks.

[ditchtheboss]

Are you prepared to share SB names through DM here? Thanks.

Responded to your message with my mini harem. Enjoy and be nice to them

[apokalypse]

that sub is incredible...really enjoy my reading in minds of SB...

[apokalypse]

I think SBs are an interesting variation between WLs and escorts. Interesting and enjoyable experience if you can afford

never being one but from what i reading alot of different where there's a relationship without commitment unlike WL just fuck and go...these richest business guys always have sb or high end escort that same service aka gf/wife experience. agreed with you that if got money then go with SBs instead of escort/WLs.

there's always a price tag..it's matter how much individuals have, i seeing around alot not sb/escort but willing to do it at high price.

[andrewv]

Responded to your message with my mini harem. Enjoy and be nice to them

thank you very much.

[ditchtheboss]

never being one but from what i reading alot of different where there's a relationship without commitment unlike WL just fuck and go...these richest business guys always have sb or high end escort that same service aka gf/wife experience. agreed with you that if got money then go with SBs instead of escort/WLs.

there's always a price tag..it's matter how much individuals have, i seeing around alot not sb/escort but willing to do it at high price.

Yesterday I spent 5 hours with one of my SBs. At ginza that would be at least 1500, probably more. She is early 20s hot and horny. I didn’t even pay half of it and she didn’t want me to leave. It is a much better experience than the brothel,

Got to be careful though. These girls are good at extracting cash and the ones I met are lovely. Have to keep strictly nsa and leave your feelings at the door.

[refokkused]

@ditchheboss - what site do you use?

Finding a lot of fakes on seeking nowadays compared to about 5 years ago ?

[andrewv]

@ditchheboss - what site do you use?

Finding a lot of fakes on seeking nowadays compared to about 5 years ago ?

I am not finding many fake ones, but instead many of the girls on seeking dot com have created profiles but do not meet guys because they think guys will drop $800 to $1200 per meeting and will look like James Bond, or will be old guys that fly them first class around the world. So they don't find these imaginary men and never meet anyone or make any money. The gap between reality and expectations is too wide. This is why I generally tell them what's on offer and am very happy never to get a reply back if it isn't their "dream offer".

[apokalypse]

on the sub and SB-SA seems like many are solely focused on financial gain. Some profiles even include the phrase "spoil me" or "take care of me," which can be a turn off for me. It's unclear how these individuals provide their services, but it appears that they may have a reputation for being money-hungry and expecting lavish gifts...i like people who need support for mortgage-bills...etc.

[ditchtheboss]

@ditchheboss - what site do you use?

Finding a lot of fakes on seeking nowadays compared to about 5 years ago ?

I use seeking. The most success I have had is with younger girls usually students because they are seeking assistance with basic things such as paying their bills. They all look hot to me and the bizarre thing I find is that if you treat them right, pay upfront, don’t play games they give an outstanding service and actually get horny for me. How do I know that, they are dripping wet and that doesn’t lie.

The oldest girl I am seeing is 28. She is a bit of a puzzle to me, not sure she is a student, she may do this for a living. The others are students and need help with the bills.

The slightly older ones and more model looking so to speak are the ones with unrealistic expectations. You can easily pick them from the crowd, they usually have fillers in their lips and the photos are mostly staged. I have had one asking for 3K last week which I declined.

My formula has worked for me. With regards to money I try to pay no more than 500 ppm but that is getting harder. I am happy to pay 750 for the older one because it is the same as going to a brothel 2x a week with the quality girls and we spend about 4 hours in the bedroom. We then go out to dinner and I enjoy seen the other guys staring and she purposefully gives me a peck on the lips when she notices them looking. Some guys will complain about paying for food, I have to eat anyway so might as well pay for the company or eat alone at home.

Just my experience. Perhaps I am the foolish one paying a bit more but I can afford and I am enjoying it

Just sharing my experience

[ditchtheboss]

on the sub and SB-SA seems like many are solely focused on financial gain. Some profiles even include the phrase "spoil me" or "take care of me," which can be a turn off for me. It's unclear how these individuals provide their services, but it appears that they may have a reputation for being money-hungry and expecting lavish gifts...i like people who need support for mortgage-bills...etc.

Take a look at my other reply. Look for the younger ones ad they usually need financial help instead of adding to their lifestyle.

I also look for the ones who don’t have lip fillers or augmented breasts. The ones who take photos in boats or showing expensive things I avoid too. Easy to pick them out of the crowd

[andrewv]

on the sub and SB-SA seems like many are solely focused on financial gain. Some profiles even include the phrase "spoil me" or "take care of me," which can be a turn off for me. It's unclear how these individuals provide their services, but it appears that they may have a reputation for being money-hungry and expecting lavish gifts...i like people who need support for mortgage-bills...etc.

Don’t worry about what they write on their profiles. I don’t care about that. Always bring it down to the bottom line: how much you pay and what they give in return.

Many SB’s dream of a super-rich daddy who will pay them a fixed monthly allowance of $10,000 or more. This is why some girls write “no PPM”. But as we all know, those SD’s are not common. The reality is most girls end up hooking with guys casually AND guys like variety so they keep looking for the next girl.

As another punter her said, it is true that 500 is becoming difficult to get because in the last 12 months I’ve seen the usual ask is 700 to 800 (plus we pay hotel on top).

[DrBean]

Heaps of guys paying 500 or less and heaps of reviews on those girls. If you are paying more you should reflect on why you are being sucked into that. You are just creating a marketplace issue for everyone else.

[apokalypse]

Don’t worry about what they write on their profiles. I don’t care about that. Always bring it down to the bottom line: how much you pay and what they give in return.

Many SB’s dream of a super-rich daddy who will pay them a fixed monthly allowance of $10,000 or more. This is why some girls write “no PPM”. But as we all know, those SD’s are not common. The reality is most girls end up hooking with guys casually AND guys like variety so they keep looking for the next girl.

As another punter her said, it is true that 500 is becoming difficult to get because in the last 12 months I’ve seen the usual ask is 700 to 800 (plus we pay hotel on top).

true....i know it's about business and money but these girls being materialistic. go through the thread only few need support bills-mortgage..ect.

saw this ridiculous post:
"Moved to DFW and my last 2 arrangements averaged at 1K- $1500 PPM. Note: I know this isn’t average for the entire area or every arrangement though. However, local escorts I have met get 300-400 per hour. As an SB you should NOT be getting less than local SWs or even the same since you’re giving much more of yourself and your time! On another note, I once met a lady in the area that worked the actual streets and charged $200 so that $150 makes me cringe!!"

[DrBean]

It’s a US (mainly wealthy state) thread moderated by angry ex-SWs. Entertaining but no Australian contributors. Would be a mistake to assume it’s transferable.

Plenty of action in the US as well under US$400 a night.

Don’t get caught up in a few angry women beating a drum online.

[dotcumdotinyou]

I'm sorry benny...I mean dr.

This is an interesting discussion and andrew plus dtb accounts of what's happening in Sydney are interesting. You comments sound like you're trying to protect your income source and aren't contributing to the discussion at all.

[refokkused]

Take a look at my other reply. Look for the younger ones ad they usually need financial help instead of adding to their lifestyle.

I also look for the ones who don’t have lip fillers or augmented breasts. The ones who take photos in boats or showing expensive things I avoid too. Easy to pick them out of the crowd

I find with the 'younger' ones I often get offered money for an 'online' arrangement ---- onlyfans is cheaper!!

[ditchtheboss]

Heaps of guys paying 500 or less and heaps of reviews on those girls. If you are paying more you should reflect on why you are being sucked into that. You are just creating a marketplace issue for everyone else.

I have only ever come across one girl who was very hot but only offered very substandard intimacy. She asked for 300.

Saw one for 500 for 5 hours on Saturday and will see another tomorrow for 700 but she is worth a million in my opinion.

My point is that perhaps I can negotiate the 700 one to 500 but she is so good that I think the 700 actually delivers value. My benchmark is the girls from ginza or 42G, she is better than most so good value for money

[jj12345]

Where can I read for how to start doing this? I seen both thread and it is experience people and then bro with question but not try. Is there easy guide to begin from?

[DrBean]

I have only ever come across one girl who was very hot but only offered very substandard intimacy. She asked for 300.

Saw one for 500 for 5 hours on Saturday and will see another tomorrow for 700 but she is worth a million in my opinion.

My point is that perhaps I can negotiate the 700 one to 500 but she is so good that I think the 700 actually delivers value. My benchmark is the girls from ginza or 42G, she is better than most so good value for money

I just don't like seeing guys getting ripped off or girls thinking we are ATMs.

700 to fuck is crazy money. Fine if you can afford it regularly, but most guys will need to come up with $80k before tax annually to enjoy that regularly.

Then, once you have agreed to it then she will be telling the next guy, and all her gfs "the market rate is 700". So all we do is screw each other over.

[refokkused]

the whole sugarbaby/sugardaddy concept was based on 'rich' old guys who could afford to spend thousands and who were too busy to waste time on conventional pickups.

it's all about your personal choices, I would pay $700 for an evening and use a $400 phone than fork out $1200 for a new iphone! a lot of people who make $50k a year happily pay for a new iphone or galaxy without thinking about it.

[refokkused]

I have only ever come across one girl who was very hot but only offered very substandard intimacy. She asked for 300.

Saw one for 500 for 5 hours on Saturday and will see another tomorrow for 700 but she is worth a million in my opinion.

My point is that perhaps I can negotiate the 700 one to 500 but she is so good that I think the 700 actually delivers value. My benchmark is the girls from ginza or 42G, she is better than most so good value for money

I'll keep persisting but if you got any you good ones you don't want to continue with, send their id's this way =)

[ditchtheboss]

I'll keep persisting but if you got any you good ones you don't want to continue with, send their id's this way =)

Keep persisting, it’s not hard to find them

[Nthnrr]

You don’t need to pay 700. My regular is 300, attractive and stays for as long as I want. She normally wants to hang around for longer than I can. Have had others for between 300 & 400. 700 is crazy.

[ditchtheboss]

You don’t need to pay 700. My regular is 300, attractive and stays for as long as I want. She normally wants to hang around for longer than I can. Have had others for between 300 & 400. 700 is crazy.

I have had one once for 300, she was hot but had so many psychological issues that it was actually unsafe to see her.

Will bargain harder, sounds like I am paying too much even though I think it is fair for the value I am receiving back from them

[GoldfishMan]

Never done SBs, but I think we could be making a mistake by trying to price them using our "punter-economics". Sure 700 bucks sounds like good value compared to long sessions in reputable shops, but that's only because we're used to paying that much for sex.

I'll admit, I find this all very fascinating. Please keep up the very fruitful discussions!

[ditchtheboss]

Never done SBs, but I think we could be making a mistake by trying to price them using our "punter-economics". Sure 700 bucks sounds like good value compared to long sessions in reputable shops, but that's only because we're used to paying that much for sex.

I'll admit, I find this all very fascinating. Please keep up the very fruitful discussions!

I came up with another theory overnight. Maybe I am ugly af and need to pay more for the benefit 🤣🤣. We can’t all be winners.

There is an aspect of sugaring that different than the brothel and that is the arrangement so I don’t say relationship, over and above intimacy. One of my SBs was texting me right now, sending me photos of a few lingerie for me to choose what she will wear tonight when we meet. Or when we just meet outside for food without needing to pay her, just for the food obviously.

It is a whole different ball game I think

[Frederic]

It's like dating. Turn up looking your best and give her a good time. Not rocket science.

I don't know why guys on this site are paying so much. Seems you are locked into a pattern of thinking. Agree with others who have said that 3-500 is fair. if you can afford 700 regularly then kudos to you. these girls aren't making that an hour as uni students so why encourage it?

[andrewv]

The Law of Demand and Supply works all the time, in all situations. Also, Price Theory works (when pricing a service or product, charge as much as possible till your customers start dropping off). We know from news articles that there are far more girls on these websites than punters like us, so why do we as a group of blokes are assisting these girls to push us up the $$$ scale.

The reason some SB's are asking and often getting 700 (let alone the ones who claim to be getting 1200) is because some punters are agreeing to pay it.
But if we all stick with telling them "sorry, but my budget is 400 (or 500)" then SB's will be conditioned to see 400 as great value. After all, their alternative to work as shop assistants at $30 per hour means working 10 to 15 hours to make the same amount.

Getting laid does not require someone with a university degree and 10 years of experience. Just a reasonably decent body.

And please do not fall for their old trick when they say "My last arrangement, he paid me 800" . This tactical statement is well documented on sugarbaby forums. They say it to make us feel that counter-offering 400 or 500 is too low.

Be strong fellows, and let's stick together! :):)

[apokalypse]

depends on girls...i think most of girls needed accepted while who not need money but willing need higher, for example a lady talked among each other saying some guy offer her $700 and she said that's not much only worth no more than a week wage.

what ever it is...need to be $400-$500 on the market, if accept $700 then the trend continue killing freaking market just like RnT $50 for Nude HJ.

you guys know about middle east or those people have multiple wives? one of them saying if not for support aka money then she could not be with him...never ask how much support she got but seeing alot of chinese business owners done it...saw one hot women in my eyes and still stick with him thick and thin even tho he's have alot of women.

[DrBean]

If it is any consolation I know SDs who are as old as 70, others who are short and hairy, many who are out of shape, have dad bods or a bit of extra padding. None of it matters. What matters is that you are a man fulfilling a fantasy. You pay more if she can't see anything but a transaction.

[Axeman123]

If it is any consolation I know SDs who are as old as 70, others who are short and hairy, many who are out of shape, have dad bods or a bit of extra padding. None of it matters. What matters is that you are a man fulfilling a fantasy. You pay more if she can't see anything but a transaction. That's how I approach punting. Just get lost in the moment. Works for me.

[apokalypse]

If it is any consolation I know SDs who are as old as 70, others who are short and hairy, many who are out of shape, have dad bods or a bit of extra padding. None of it matters. What matters is that you are a man fulfilling a fantasy. You pay more if she can't see anything but a transaction.

true..there's always a price on everything and those dignity stuff throw out the window, for $1m how many not really want to spent a night or weekends...for any money. I never believe in morals or dignity...

[Joe1956]

No money no honey

[rob_uts]

some are pretty smart in tech too.. Using CHATGPT to create profiles and reply to conversations..

https://www.reddit.com/r/SugarBABYonlyforum/comments/12r3kbw/is_it_messed_up_ive_been_using_chatgpt_to_talk_to/