Yes I’m an idiot, is this making it worse?

[Daffy]

So last year I went on a couple of dates with a M/L I seemed to form a bit of a bond with. Went great for a couple of dates then she asked to borrow some money to help with school then rent and other things. Me being a naive twit (and thinking with my dick rather than my head) said fine.

So around $1500 in she abruptly stops contact and leaves the country. Had her number but she gave it to someone and they told me she was gone and to leave them alone. She actually messaged me while overseas and seemed apologetic, but after a couple of days asked for more money. At this point I just stopped responding and left it there as a lesson learnt and money lost.

Well I just found out that she might be back in the country and working at a couple of new shops under a new name. So I’ve decided I’m going to make a booking and go see her to have a little chat about maybe getting some of that money back.

So what I’m asking is should I just cut my loses here or go through with the booking and see what happens?

[legitl]

Cut your losses before you get escorted off the premises or she says you did something inappropriate.

[ReginaldBubbles]

I have had the opposite experience over the last few years. Various world events and family situations have led to my having some cashflow problems and wls have insisted on lending me money and then refusing repayment when they left the country. I would feel guilty if I didn't know how much money they were making. But I was seeing them all outside of the shop and I can't tell if this make me a simp or an alpha??

[dotcumdotinyou]

Let's see...

In another thread you said when you go to a brothel the girls give you the cash back as well as a tip. And now they're throwing money at you and refusing repayment.

You're neither simp or alpha, you're a sibon.

[RLC]

What are you going to do when she denies owing you or pretends not to know you?

On the flip side, if she greets you with open arms, what are you going to do when the sob story about the sick relatives comes out so she has no money to give comes out?

[GoldfishMan]

I think you have zero chance of getting your money back. If you can come to terms with that, and have enough discipline not to do anything stupid during your session, you can go for it and enjoy your ML. If you can't, suggest you cancel it bro.

[jsw1888]

So last year I went on a couple of dates with a M/L I seemed to form a bit of a bond with. Went great for a couple of dates then she asked to borrow some money to help with school then rent and other things. Me being a naive twit (and thinking with my dick rather than my head) said fine.

So around $1500 in she abruptly stops contact and leaves the country. Had her number but she gave it to someone and they told me she was gone and to leave them alone. She actually messaged me while overseas and seemed apologetic, but after a couple of days asked for more money. At this point I just stopped responding and left it there as a lesson learnt and money lost.

Well I just found out that she might be back in the country and working at a couple of new shops under a new name. So I’ve decided I’m going to make a booking and go see her to have a little chat about maybe getting some of that money back.

So what I’m asking is should I just cut my loses here or go through with the booking and see what happens?

Cut losses and add it to the list of life learnings

[Daffy]

What are you going to do when she denies owing you or pretends not to know you?

On the flip side, if she greets you with open arms, what are you going to do when the sob story about the sick relatives comes out so she has no money to give comes out?
Not sure but I have a heap of texts from her asking to borrow the money and her saying she will pay it back. The sob story is a bit harder because I’m a big softie.


I think you have zero chance of getting your money back. If you can come to terms with that, and have enough discipline not to do anything stupid during your session, you can go for it and enjoy your ML. If you can't, suggest you cancel it bro.
Agree with you here. I’m not expecting the money back but I have this annoying character flaw where I will always give people a chance to do the right thing even if I know they won’t. Same reason I stick with a job I hate, I want to believe the lies that they are trying to get better because the alternative is they are just shit people.


Cut losses and add it to the list of life learnings
This is the hard one for me. Loosing the money I can deal with and I can see the mistakes I’ve made. But I’m always going to want to help people where I can and try to see the best in them. Even though I know most people are (to quote Dr. Cox) bastard coated bastards with a creamy bastard filling.

[Rookiestones]

Daffy. Mate just let it go. Move on my friend, just move on. Yes, admit that this was a very tough pill to swallow but you need to put it behind you and look forward to the life ahead rather than the regrets of the past. Again, just let it go and move on.

[johnstrike]

Daffy i know where you are coming from.

You have have White Knight syndrome. You need to help people and most time you can't say no. Every ML/WL have some sort off problems.

From what i can work out, these are the problems they have.
Money
Visa
Loneliness
sex addiction

right now my reg has 3 out 4, and money is not one off them.

[CharlieM]

So last year I went on a couple of dates with a M/L I seemed to form a bit of a bond with. Went great for a couple of dates then she asked to borrow some money to help with school then rent and other things. Me being a naive twit (and thinking with my dick rather than my head) said fine.

So around $1500 in she abruptly stops contact and leaves the country. Had her number but she gave it to someone and they told me she was gone and to leave them alone. She actually messaged me while overseas and seemed apologetic, but after a couple of days asked for more money. At this point I just stopped responding and left it there as a lesson learnt and money lost.

Well I just found out that she might be back in the country and working at a couple of new shops under a new name. So I’ve decided I’m going to make a booking and go see her to have a little chat about maybe getting some of that money back.

So what I’m asking is should I just cut my loses here or go through with the booking and see what happens?

No! Your not an idiot buddy. You sound like a good person who helped someone in a time of need. We are who we are. The ML is a bitch slut for taking advantage of you. Live and learn.

[Double_Adapter]

This thread reads like a fucken Disney movie, nevertheless the advice given is solid.
If punting had a theme song, the lyrics from the movie frozen would need to be in it.

"Let it go, let it go
Can't hold it back anymore
Let it go, let it go
Turn away and slam the door"

"Let it go, let it go
And I'll rise like the break of dawn
Let it go, let it go
That perfect girl is gone"

[abovetherim]

$1500 is like two days worth of work for ML these days isn’t it? Sounds to me like she’s a liar/scammer who took advantage of an easy target. Feel for you mate as I’ve done some dumb stuff as well.

[Daffy]

You have have White Knight syndrome. You need to help people and most time you can't say no.

Absolutely this and it’s something I actually struggle with. More than once I’ve pulled over to help someone change a flat tyre or taken an empty trolley back for a mum trying to get a young child in the car after shopping.

Even got threatened with getting sacked when I locked up the shop I was managing to help a girl who had been hit by a bus out front as I’m first aid trained. Took about 20 minutes for the ambos to get there while I was holding this girls head and neck still, she had a skull fracture and was bleeding pretty badly.

There is no real Disney moment here though. I try to do the right thing by others and hope others will too even though the overwhelming evidence is that people just look out for themselves.

[Daffy]

So the other issue I’ve got here now is she may have started working at one of my regular massage shops (like once a fortnight sort of deal). I get on great with the mamasan here so too so going to have to play nice to avoid any awkwardness.

[GoldfishMan]

No! Your not an idiot buddy. You sound like a good person who helped someone in a time of need. We are who we are. The ML is a bitch slut for taking advantage of you. Live and learn.

Well said mate. He's a good guy for sure!

[User1234]

Another one of these threads...

[Raybo]

I saw an ML pretty regularly during 2020. I stopped seeing her 2021 mainly because she was working in places that werent convenient for me to visit. We were still in touch, trying to work out ways to catch up.

Wind the clock forward to the day of the 2nd lockdown in Sydney. She had just paid $2000 for her dodgy English course that kept her student visa in check, when I told her that lockdown started again 6pm that evening. She had less than $350 in the bank and a few bucks cash with no way of earning any income for the foreseeable future. I lent her a little cash here and there during lockdown so she could eat and pay rent until she couldn't do it any longer and went back to Thailand.

We kept in touch, perhaps every few months, her intention was to come back to Sydney. Raising the $$$ back in Thailand was difficult, she didn't want to work in Thailand in case she got found out. Just as I was about to kiss my cash goodbye I get a message from her saying she was back in town. I still haven't got any money back but she is keen to catch up. I haven't brought it up yet, but there is light at the end of the tunnel.

[Sibon]

So last year I went on a couple of dates with a M/L I seemed to form a bit of a bond with. Went great for a couple of dates then she asked to borrow some money to help with school then rent and other things. Me being a naive twit (and thinking with my dick rather than my head) said fine.

So around $1500 in she abruptly stops contact and leaves the country. Had her number but she gave it to someone and they told me she was gone and to leave them alone. She actually messaged me while overseas and seemed apologetic, but after a couple of days asked for more money. At this point I just stopped responding and left it there as a lesson learnt and money lost.

Well I just found out that she might be back in the country and working at a couple of new shops under a new name. So I’ve decided I’m going to make a booking and go see her to have a little chat about maybe getting some of that money back.

So what I’m asking is should I just cut my loses here or go through with the booking and see what happens?

Yes we've heard this story all the time.

Lucky it's only $1500 and not $150,000.

Consider yourself fortunate.

[Ghost2hauntU]

$1500 is like two days worth of work for ML these days isn’t it? Sounds to me like she’s a liar/scammer who took advantage of an easy target. Feel for you mate as I’ve done some dumb stuff as well.

She’s probably supporting her boyfriends drug or gambling habits.
OP should cut his losses.

[Johnisfun1969]

This is normal thing with us men. Sometimes we feel the urge to look after women or help them. Somewhat the intention is in retrun you will get better sex.
I have done the same mistake. Sent money to couple of girls in Philippines. Even lent money to Sugar Babes. Did I get my money's worth? Not at all.
The lesson I have learnt is some women use the sob story to extract money from you. They may give you the impression they care. But once you refuse to lend more they are gone to the next victim.

As others have said, cut your losses and move on.

[TwisterTongue]

Remember not everyone has a kind-heart like you do bro..


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[Double_Adapter]

No! Your not an idiot buddy. You sound like a good person who helped someone in a time of need. We are who we are. The ML is a bitch slut for taking advantage of you. Live and learn.

Yeah, I'd agree with that. The OP sounds like a country boy (good intentions and good heart).
City people on the other hand are all fucked up with/about life.

The thing about city life is:
When you cry nobody sees your tears.
When you are sad nobody sees your pain.
When you are happy nobody sees your your smile.
But when you fart everybody notices it.

[frisson]

She may have 1-2 other white knights like you, and a family to feed

She may well have financial issues. She may owe money to the shop or other parties

But she saw you as an ATM and you proved her right. Continuing to meet her, waiting for her to pay you back, is not going to work. Have sex because you have a bond but only if the chemistry hasnt been dissolved by her nonpayment. Meet other WL so you don't get fixated

I agree that you should kiss this money good bye unless you have a written contact. Even with a contract she will say she can't afford to repay. Sorry but that's how the cash economy works

Feel sorry for you as you probably thought you were helping. Well you helped her situation. And she got a free handout. Win win

[l337dude]

Cut your losses and move on mate, you ain't getting that money back, the only thing that awaits you if you go through with the booking is more heartache, embarrassment, disappointment, resentment...and possibly trouble with the brothel security guard, I'm sorry to say, just leave it be and learn your lesson, we've all done something stupid before, people take advantage of kind hearted folks like us, luckily it was just $1500, could be a lot worse...

[parr2150]

Hey, 2 suggestions
why don’t help out others on this forum and tell people who she is, like her shop name to potential help a future victim

If you have the texts you can take it to a local court , if she has done this to you good chance she has don’t it others and may have a record

[andrewv]

So last year I went on a couple of dates with a M/L I seemed to form a bit of a bond with. Went great for a couple of dates then she asked to borrow some money to help with school then rent and other things. Me being a naive twit (and thinking with my dick rather than my head) said fine.

So around $1500 in she abruptly stops contact and leaves the country. Had her number but she gave it to someone and they told me she was gone and to leave them alone. She actually messaged me while overseas and seemed apologetic, but after a couple of days asked for more money. At this point I just stopped responding and left it there as a lesson learnt and money lost.

Well I just found out that she might be back in the country and working at a couple of new shops under a new name. So I’ve decided I’m going to make a booking and go see her to have a little chat about maybe getting some of that money back.

So what I’m asking is should I just cut my loses here or go through with the booking and see what happens?

You paid $1,500 for some education. The lesson is NEVER, EVER mix with ML and WL in any form other than business. Never, ever befriend working ladies.
It is 100% business.

[Daffy]

You paid $1,500 for some education. The lesson is NEVER, EVER mix with ML and WL in any form other than business. Never, ever befriend working ladies.
It is 100% business.
$600 for the college course and the rest to help after her son back home was in a car accident (as a dad myself, this is absolute kryptonite for me). And I’ve been friends (and also dated) quite a few WL. I’ve even worked as a driver for a few so becoming friends is just part of the deal. They are people just like you, selling their time to others

[Daffy]

So a bit of an update for everyone playing at home. Saw her tonight and it was a little awkward. It took a bit to recognises me as I’ve grown my hair out since we last saw each other.

Was a little strange and there was absolutely no talk about money owed. Massage just sort of meandered on for 15-20 minutes until it just sort of flowed on to parts 2 and 3. Was nice but the old buzz just wasn’t there for whatever reason. Cuddles for a bit after and just chatted about what we have been up to. She mentioned she had been putting off going to visit her friend so offered to drop her off as it was on my way home anyway.

Swapped numbers again and after dropping her off got a message that I forgot to tip her for the extras so just did a transfer to her. Guess I’ll just be leaving it there unless she decides to reach out to me

[GoldfishMan]

Geez.... She had the balls to ask for tip money and you actually paid for it, even when she owes you all that money.

That's it bro, in her mind, you're now a dead-set sucker. She will look at you like a big $$$ target, easy prey.

Stay dafuq away from her, for your own sake.

[frisson]

All the hallmarks of breakup sex. No chemistry. It's over

The chemistry is gone because she knows you are thinking about the money
Focus on the good sex you had in the past, and move on.

She didn't talk about the debt because in her mind she ain't ever repaying it. Walk away. Nothing good will come from lingering

Don't be a white knight with your money. Sorry just telling you the reality

[Ziggurat]

Errm, if it is her can't you just bring up the money, show her your texts and suggest she work it off with you with pussy?

[colintheboyy]

Seems like it's time to let go dude, after all that's happened you should just take it as a lesson and move on

[1inchguy]

So a bit of an update for everyone playing at home. Saw her tonight and it was a little awkward. It took a bit to recognises me as I’ve grown my hair out since we last saw each other.

Was a little strange and there was absolutely no talk about money owed. Massage just sort of meandered on for 15-20 minutes until it just sort of flowed on to parts 2 and 3. Was nice but the old buzz just wasn’t there for whatever reason. Cuddles for a bit after and just chatted about what we have been up to. She mentioned she had been putting off going to visit her friend so offered to drop her off as it was on my way home anyway.

Swapped numbers again and after dropping her off got a message that I forgot to tip her for the extras so just did a transfer to her. Guess I’ll just be leaving it there unless she decides to reach out to me

Hope you got abit of closure after seeing her again but dont be that guy.
Walk away, theres plenty of other girls to see and possibly treating you better.

[Fred Flintstone]

You aren’t an idiot. Just naive. You’ve broken a couple of the rules of punting.

1. Don’t try to save the girls. Their problems are not your problems
2. Don’t ask for their phone numbers. They are not girlfriend material

You’ve got to just let it go and stop getting close to these girls.

[asiafever]

So a bit of an update for everyone playing at home. Saw her tonight and it was a little awkward. It took a bit to recognises me as I’ve grown my hair out since we last saw each other.

Was a little strange and there was absolutely no talk about money owed. Massage just sort of meandered on for 15-20 minutes until it just sort of flowed on to parts 2 and 3. Was nice but the old buzz just wasn’t there for whatever reason. Cuddles for a bit after and just chatted about what we have been up to. She mentioned she had been putting off going to visit her friend so offered to drop her off as it was on my way home anyway.

Swapped numbers again and after dropping her off got a message that I forgot to tip her for the extras so just did a transfer to her. Guess I’ll just be leaving it there unless she decides to reach out to me

This should have cemented it for you that you're never seeing a cent of that money, and to her you're a pay check, nothing more.
Even if she reaches out to you, it will be for money ("come see me babe, it's quiet today").

Walk away. Learn from the episode and walk away.

[beta101]

Break up sex n revenge sex is the best sex imho. It's impossible to get in a relationship.

[ColesBag]

Hooker sob stories. Usually a load of shit.

Cut your losses or she'll put on a sob story at the brothel about how your either assaulted her, physically or sexually & either get you thrown out & blacklisted from that brothel & others or worse get the police involved which would lead to people in your personal life knowing things that you don't want them to know.

Move on & let it go & never believe a hooker sob story ever again. Live & learn my man.

[trampslikeus55]

So a bit of an update for everyone playing at home. Saw her tonight and it was a little awkward. It took a bit to recognises me as I’ve grown my hair out since we last saw each other.

Was a little strange and there was absolutely no talk about money owed. Massage just sort of meandered on for 15-20 minutes until it just sort of flowed on to parts 2 and 3. Was nice but the old buzz just wasn’t there for whatever reason. Cuddles for a bit after and just chatted about what we have been up to. She mentioned she had been putting off going to visit her friend so offered to drop her off as it was on my way home anyway.

Swapped numbers again and after dropping her off got a message that I forgot to tip her for the extras so just did a transfer to her. Guess I’ll just be leaving it there unless she decides to reach out to me
Not sure you need anymore advice Daffy. This seems to be consuming you a little to much. For mine, just total your debt. Then calculate a fuck at $150 a time. You can them work out how many fucks she "owes" you. Then you have a choice. Fuck her that many times or not. If you go for the former then she will, I repeat she will, honour the debt by letting you fuck her. If you don't want to, then you have answered your original question. You are not an idiot 😎

[17012430]

You gave her more money… don’t go see her again bro this woman is toxic for you

[Sibon]

So a bit of an update for everyone playing at home. Saw her tonight and it was a little awkward. It took a bit to recognises me as I’ve grown my hair out since we last saw each other.

Was a little strange and there was absolutely no talk about money owed. Massage just sort of meandered on for 15-20 minutes until it just sort of flowed on to parts 2 and 3. Was nice but the old buzz just wasn’t there for whatever reason. Cuddles for a bit after and just chatted about what we have been up to. She mentioned she had been putting off going to visit her friend so offered to drop her off as it was on my way home anyway.

Swapped numbers again and after dropping her off got a message that I forgot to tip her for the extras so just did a transfer to her. Guess I’ll just be leaving it there unless she decides to reach out to me

Be strong.

Seek spiritual help. Healing and positive energy is good for you.

You have to free her from your heart.

And let her drift away like a white cloud.

May the good force be with your soul.

[andrewv]

Never let any woman treat you as if you’re an ATM that spits out cash at the press of a button. 🏧

[Double_Adapter]

Never let any woman treat you as if you’re an ATM that spits out cash at the press of a button. 🏧

from the woman's POV this also holds true

97711

[personaa]

from the woman's POV this also holds true

97711
Hahhaha.That's the ultimate truth pal, not necessarily for WLs but for all women,

[andrewv]

from the woman's POV this also holds true

97711

Spot on. It hurts my ego when I think that women think I’m a sucker to use for free meals and cash.
And the maximum they give in return is simply some flesh for an hour or two.

[cuteguy]

Never let any woman treat you as if you’re an ATM that spits out cash at the press of a button. 🏧

She will use you until the money runs out and onto the next guy who comes into her life that can provide what she wants. Women want men for their future security even though there are a lot of dicks out there for women to choose if they want fun.

[priapus1966]

Daffy: My dad once told me "Never lend money to friends, relatives, whores, or clergymen." None of 'em will pay you back.

Just because you seem to be a good guy is no excuse for being a mug. It will encourage her to try it on with other "Innocent Punters!"

[fujama88]

Never let any woman treat you as if you’re an ATM that spits out cash at the press of a button. 🏧

What and being married is any different :-)

[Daffy]

Daffy: My dad once told me "Never lend money to friends, relatives, whores, or clergymen." None of 'em will pay you back.

Just because you seem to be a good guy is no excuse for being a mug. It will encourage her to try it on with other "Innocent Punters!" mate I never lend anyone money I’m not willing to give away. I always go in with low expectations so on the rare occasion I’m wrong and I do get my money back I’m pleasantly surprised.

But in this case she has had her chance and I’m done. Going to spend my time and effort on my other regulars.

[coomerdoomer]

mate I never lend anyone money I’m not willing to give away. I always go in with low expectations so on the rare occasion I’m wrong and I do get my money back I’m pleasantly surprised.

But in this case she has had her chance and I’m done. Going to spend my time and effort on my other regulars.

Yeah just move on mate the trouble isn’t worth it. Unless you’re really hard up for cash just treat it as paying a leech $1500 to fuck off out of your life. You’ll see younger and prettier girls in the future but eventually she’ll get too old to trade pussy for cash.

[Idkfa]

How do you feel about it now?