A hand job is a $50 extra?

[ShirtyTheBear]

So I was just at a fairly reputable massage place and got an okay massage for an hour which ended in a hand job.

To my surprise the masseuse afterwards turned around and said that the hand job was $50 extra. She never said this before doing the hand job and I had not said anything regarding extras at all. She did however offer a blow job for $100 while doing the hand job (which I did not take her up on).

I have a few points here.

1. I would expect that due to the nature of these massage shops that most people would assume that at the very least a hand job would be included in the price and is not really an extra.
2. That $50 is an exorbitant price for a hand job.
3. You can't perform an "extra" service without giving a choice and then declaring afterwards that it costs money. If I was told that it would be $50 for just a hand job, I would have declined.

[hornedbeast]

$50 is an exorbitant price for a hand job.

No money, no honey. Inflation.

[SmithChips]

So you took on a service that usually costs extra money, but now am pissed that you have to pay for it? Sorry mate, it's punting 101 to agree on a price before any extra services.

[ynotm8]

surprised she didn't ask for the money first

[GoldfishMan]

So I was just at a fairly reputable massage place and got an okay massage for an hour which ended in a hand job.

To my surprise the masseuse afterwards turned around and said that the hand job was $50 extra. She never said this before doing the hand job and I had not said anything regarding extras at all. She did however offer a blow job for $100 while doing the hand job (which I did not take her up on).

I have a few points here.

1. I would expect that due to the nature of these massage shops that most people would assume that at the very least a hand job would be included in the price and is not really an extra.
2. That $50 is an exorbitant price for a hand job.
3. You can't perform an "extra" service without giving a choice and then declaring afterwards that it costs money. If I was told that it would be $50 for just a hand job, I would have declined.

How much did you pay for the massage, excluding the $50 extra?

[harmsup_jai]

If you can’t afford $50 then stay at home and rub one out.

Ask yourself would you jerk off a guy for $50?

no sympathy for you from my side.

That’s povo if you can’t even dish out $50

[priapus1966]

How much did you pay for the massage, excluding the $50 extra?

And was she nude for the HJ? To break it right down, the basic hourly rate would be $55 to $80. A Nude HJ would be an additional $50, sometimes a bit more, or a bit less if she keeps her clothes on. 25-30 years ago, an HJ was included in the room price but those days are long gone in most shops.

[Sibon]

So I was just at a fairly reputable massage place and got an okay massage for an hour which ended in a hand job.

To my surprise the masseuse afterwards turned around and said that the hand job was $50 extra. She never said this before doing the hand job and I had not said anything regarding extras at all. She did however offer a blow job for $100 while doing the hand job (which I did not take her up on).

I have a few points here.

1. I would expect that due to the nature of these massage shops that most people would assume that at the very least a hand job would be included in the price and is not really an extra.
2. That $50 is an exorbitant price for a hand job.
3. You can't perform an "extra" service without giving a choice and then declaring afterwards that it costs money. If I was told that it would be $50 for just a hand job, I would have declined.

Recently in an Epping shop one WL wanted $80 from me for touching her.

After handing over the money every time I lay my hand on her she wriggled and said Ticklish!

She had her undie on. For half an hour she just turned her backside to me and I just stared at it.

I think $50 for a HJ is not expensive at all.

And I should have bought a good book to read. Punting with a new WL has starting to be fucking rediculous. Non-existent service with a high price. Only WLs could get away with fools like us. It is starting to smell like shit.

I think this ticklish trick was used by another Artarmon WL I've met.

[personaa]

The OP might be new to this game so he may not know the drill, also considering this is his very first post and he is a newbie to the forum.

What you pay is only for the massage. The girl should have presented the menu at the end of the massage and that was when you could decide on what you wanna do. I think OP is complaining why he was not asked whether he would prefer to have a hj at the end, which I think is quite fair. Imagine what If she would have demanded 200 for the HJ realising this guy is new to the game.

The ML shouldn't have considered that for granted. On another note you should have thought for yourself , you are paying 60-70 dollars for an hour massage and clearly can't expect the HJ (hopefully it was nude, otherwise you were ripped off) to be included in what you paid to the shop.

[Timeis629]

I guess you don’t understand the rules of engagement- regardless of anything else - I would expect nothing less than the $50.
I always pay $150 what does it get? with one lady it’s a CBJ, NHJ, body slide, pussy slide, daty, superb edging, GFE and with another in the same shot all of the above plus FS every position CIM, FIA, FIV and GFE. I PAY UPFRONT. I have pretty well done this from day one regardless of the shop. Wishful thinking to think life with sn ML is FOC (free of charge), meter starts ticking soon as you enter the shop / just like a taxi - flagfall plus kilometres. Life is about paying remember you pay in life by three things taxes, death and fucking.

[1inchguy]

ML wanted $80 for nude HJ. I was laughing.

[BobbiBrown]

The OP said a reputable shop but didn't mention if it's a prepay shop like 227 Broadway or 200 Stanmore where the HJ is indeed included in the fee?

[carmen farquis]

The OP said a reputable shop but didn't mention if it's a prepay shop like 227 Broadway or 200 Stanmore where the HJ is indeed included in the fee?

Exactly if he said which shop we would know if its one where the hj is included.

All the thai shops you to be that style but unfortunately they all seem to be going to the Chinese style where you tip for everything.

[GoldfishMan]

That's exactly what I was getting at, Carmen farquis and Bobbi Brown. Without knowing which shop he's talking about, how much he paid upfront, how would we know whether he was being ripped off or not?

[F0x]

So which one is it OP?

If it's a prepaid shop like SBM, then yes there is a (small) issue here. Ask the ML to speak to the manager and sort out from there. If it's NOT a prepaid shop then see below covering your points:

1. Even though it's a "shop of that nature" the MLs are only obliged to give you a massage. They aren't legally bound to do anything else for you. Now it IS odd that they went ahead and jerked you off without telling you it's extra, I've never had that experience tbh UNLESS I've paid up front so it's bleeding obvious. They always ask if I want something extra whether its here or when I went overseas for a bucks stint.

2. 50 is standard for a NHJ. If the N part of that wasn't on play well, okay request it next time. If the girl is a regular and likes you a lot you could get away with stuff on top for this amount, but it's the standard, which leads straight into 3rd point....

3. $50 is the standard base tip for any sexual activity to occur at a massage place "of that nature" and while I haven't been at it for as long as some, 50 has been standard for quite some time I think. As others have said, if that's not within your budget, yet your paying probably about that much per month for internet access I presume, www.pornhub.com and some tissues should suit your budget.

Hope this helps your next endeavour.

This is why theres a lot of talk of "pineapples" on the forum. Why pineapples? Yellow of course correlating to the Oz 50.

[max_power]

Because you didn’t ask price before the deed she took the advantage of playing you and requesting more money. She must of thought a good opportunity with a amateur to make some extra cash

[bigdaddy110]

50 is fair price buddy with nude . haha girl wear nothing in front of you buddy........ that price should be ok la

[aussiegaigin]

3. $50 is the standard base tip for any sexual activity to occur at a massage place "of that nature" and while I haven't been at it for as long as some, 50 has been standard for quite some time I think. As others have said, if that's not within your budget, yet your paying probably about that much per month for internet access I presume, www.pornhub.com and some tissues should suit your budget.

I can remember when the "base fee" used to be $20 for a straight HJ; many girls were'nt prepared to go nude, or even take the top off or allow a bit of touching. The $50 offer came in gradually as girls got less inhibited and went fully or partially nude. It is now pretty much standard, although some girls started asking $60.

[JSteel96]

So I was just at a fairly reputable massage place and got an okay massage for an hour which ended in a hand job.

To my surprise the masseuse afterwards turned around and said that the hand job was $50 extra. She never said this before doing the hand job and I had not said anything regarding extras at all. She did however offer a blow job for $100 while doing the hand job (which I did not take her up on).

I have a few points here.

1. I would expect that due to the nature of these massage shops that most people would assume that at the very least a hand job would be included in the price and is not really an extra.
2. That $50 is an exorbitant price for a hand job.
3. You can't perform an "extra" service without giving a choice and then declaring afterwards that it costs money. If I was told that it would be $50 for just a hand job, I would have declined.

$50 for just an HJ is to much I would expect a full BJJJ & HJ for $50 you really should ask about extras at the start of the session. For $100 blow job she better be dam amazing with her mouth.

[RO1312]

I can remember when the "base fee" used to be $20 for a straight HJ; many girls were'nt prepared to go nude, or even take the top off or allow a bit of touching. The $50 offer came in gradually as girls got less inhibited and went fully or partially nude. It is now pretty much standard, although some girls started asking $60.

I decided to try a new shop recently and was unsure if extras were offered as it looked legit. But if it was on offer I was ready to pay the $50 for NHJ

I turned over with a hard on that I had no way of hiding. I apologised. She offered with the back and forth hand motion “you want?”.

After ending a decent punt, she charged me $20 for the HJ with clothes on. And since I’ve been back, when I see the same lady I say 45 mins + $20 please and she gets the idea

[pound4pound]

Old days was $50 nude handjob
$20 clothed handjob


BJ varies with the girl.
FS again varies.

I have noticed if the girl likes you and are a regular customer prices can vary for extras.

If it’s a quite day for the girl again prices can vary.

[wachumba]

Old days was $50 nude handjob
$20 clothed handjob
BJ varies with the girl.
FS again varies.


Old days was $20 clothed HJ and $30 for nude so only extra $10. That's what I paid in 501 Newtown and $50 for FS.
Less girls doing only a clothed HJ these days and will only do minimum $50 for nude. Many of younger ones that do clothed HJ ask for $30+. $50 for a clothed HJ is outrageous but some guys pay so the girls know they can get away with it.
$100 or more for FS means you are paying total about $140+ for 30min FS in a massage shop which is more or similar to what you pay just going to FS shop.

[carmen farquis]

That's exactly what I was getting at, Carmen farquis and Bobbi Brown. Without knowing which shop he's talking about, how much he paid upfront, how would we know whether he was being ripped off or not?

yeah I agreeing with you and Bobbi

A lot of guys on here don't seem to realise there are shops where the hj is included.

If he only paid $70 for 1 hour then of course he would expect the hj to cost extra but if he paid $130 then it would be fair to assume nude hj was included.

I guess we won't know until he says which shop it was.

[RO1312]

Old days was $20 clothed HJ and $30 for nude so only extra $10. That's what I paid in 501 Newtown and $50 for FS.
Less girls doing only a clothed HJ these days and will only do minimum $50 for nude. Many of younger ones that do clothed HJ ask for $30+. $50 for a clothed HJ is outrageous but some guys pay so the girls know they can get away with it.
$100 or more for FS means you are paying total about $140+ for 30min FS in a massage shop which is more or similar to what you pay just going to FS shop.


A shop in Melbourne tried to charge
$80 for NHJ. I only paid the $50 because it was late and didn’t want to have to find elsewhere. Probably a mistake on my half

[l337dude]

$50 is the norm for a HJ these days mate, I'm guessing that was OP's first session? What you paid for the massage was just the "base rate", if you don't opt for any extras you will most likely be blacklisted (assuming it's a Rnt shop), there are some shops where the "base rate" is higher (e.g. 90/30, 110/45, 130/60), these already include HJ, nude etc, if you want more extras like BJ or FS you pay on top of that, but I'm pretty sure that's not the shop you visited because otherwise the ML wouldn't ask for the $50 tip for HJ, case closed.

[rooter]

Next time I go to a restaurant I will expect the wine to be included in the price of the meal.

[andrewv]

Every massage place I’ve been to the girl discusses the extras first and in most cases they want to be paid before they start the HJ or get naked. I have to jump off the table and give them the $50 or more.
The ones that charge around $130-$150 per hour have HJ included in the price.

But you can’t get HJ with a 1 hour massage if you’re paying $80 or $90.

[pound4pound]

Yes I have seen that before Wachumba.

[ShirtyTheBear]

It was a pre-paid shop for $70 for an hour.

I never at any point said anything about extras and the HJ was done without asking. She just did it assuming that I would pay $50 for it. The only discussion of an extra was when she offered a BJ for $100 which I declined.

It's fair enough if a HJ is an extra and costs $50 but I wasn't given a choice nor was I told what it would cost. If she said it would be $50 I would have declined. I did take in an extra $50 with for the use of an extra but I didn't particularly enjoy the girl and she was on her period so I didn't intend on having any extras.

[marble]

So I was just at a fairly reputable massage place and got an okay massage for an hour which ended in a hand job.

To my surprise the masseuse afterwards turned around and said that the hand job was $50 extra.
1. I would expect that due to the nature of these massage shops that most people would assume that at the very least a hand job would be included in the price and is not really an extra.
2. That $50 is an exorbitant price for a hand job.

So your expectation is a massage with a free HJ?

Do you also go to McDonalds, pay for a burger, and expect free french fries?

Not in this universe

The vocabulary is there for a reason:
Extras means extra service for extra price

"Most people would assume that at the very least a hand job would be included in the price"
No. Most people assume the ML charges for extras

Would anyone pay $50 for something you can do yourself such as HJ? Yes. Why? Have no idea. But if it means a naked lady beside you, you can't do that alone

A clothed HJ where the ML is fully dressed for $50?
No thanks
Usually it's done with little care and rush to finish
You can do that yourself with more care and less rush

[Ghost2hauntU]

So I was just at a fairly reputable massage place and got an okay massage for an hour which ended in a hand job.

To my surprise the masseuse afterwards turned around and said that the hand job was $50 extra. She never said this before doing the hand job and I had not said anything regarding extras at all. She did however offer a blow job for $100 while doing the hand job (which I did not take her up on).

I have a few points here.

1. I would expect that due to the nature of these massage shops that most people would assume that at the very least a hand job would be included in the price and is not really an extra.
2. That $50 is an exorbitant price for a hand job.
3. You can't perform an "extra" service without giving a choice and then declaring afterwards that it costs money. If I was told that it would be $50 for just a hand job, I would have declined.

As she didn’t advise you of any extra fees for the services she rendered, you are well within your rights to get up and walk out. And that’s exactly what I hope you did.

[LBW1959]

Well, as others have pointed out, we really need the OP to say what initial room fee he paid.
If the room fee was $70 then an additional $50 for NHJ would be standard and the girl could well expect that the OP understood that.
If he paid $130 and she asked extra for NHJ then she's just trying it on.

[plannergelo]

So which one is it OP?

If it's a prepaid shop like SBM, then yes there is a (small) issue here. Ask the ML to speak to the manager and sort out from there. If it's NOT a prepaid shop then see below covering your points:

1. Even though it's a "shop of that nature" the MLs are only obliged to give you a massage. They aren't legally bound to do anything else for you. Now it IS odd that they went ahead and jerked you off without telling you it's extra, I've never had that experience tbh UNLESS I've paid up front so it's bleeding obvious. They always ask if I want something extra whether its here or when I went overseas for a bucks stint.

2. 50 is standard for a NHJ. If the N part of that wasn't on play well, okay request it next time. If the girl is a regular and likes you a lot you could get away with stuff on top for this amount, but it's the standard, which leads straight into 3rd point....

3. $50 is the standard base tip for any sexual activity to occur at a massage place "of that nature" and while I haven't been at it for as long as some, 50 has been standard for quite some time I think. As others have said, if that's not within your budget, yet your paying probably about that much per month for internet access I presume, www.pornhub.com and some tissues should suit your budget.

Hope this helps your next endeavour.

This is why theres a lot of talk of "pineapples" on the forum. Why pineapples? Yellow of course correlating to the Oz 50.

This is a really informative summary, and I just learned about what pineapple means!

[Hennessy]

I guess the OP has already hinted the upfront fee he paid with his silence, after so many voices suggesting that $50 is totally justifiable if only $70 was paid on entering the shop.

[Johnisfun1969]

One of the reasons most places ask you when you arrive is “have you been here before”. The question is not to offer you special treatment because you are a new customer but you will be nervous and how they can get away by introducing girls that are perhaps not that busy. Usually they could also ask when you arrive and say you have a booking. They ask you if you have seen her before and it could happen they switch the file if she has multiple bookings.

Same in this case the ML just took it on herself to assume the OP want a happy ending and why bother asking and going through extras. More than likely I would have stopped her unless she was good sort. Agreed with the other guys that it’s extra. But for someone like me who don’t go to massage places often only remembers $20 for hj, $50 for nhj and $100 for body slides and hj and so on. If she charged $50 without allowing and touching or play it may not be the best deal

[BDU]

You guys do realise how little the ML gets paid from the base rate don't you.
It varies a little from shop to shop but generally if the hour is $70 the ML gets about $20 and as little as $5 for the Half hour. In the NHJ inclusive shops ($130 p/h) they get most of that extra $50 so they at least make a guaranteed $70 or so per hour without having to sell themselves in the room.

So show some respect and treat these wonderful ladies better.

An extra $50 - $100 as a show of gratitude for their work is the minimum I would give, whether I get any extra service or not. Honestly.
I do not ever go for a HJ so I often just take the nudity and tease and thank the young lady for seeing me. Other times I get the whole shebang.
Every lady is different and some are not worth the tip but do not judge them all by the lowest standard.

[plannergelo]

It was a pre-paid shop for $70 for an hour.

I never at any point said anything about extras and the HJ was done without asking. She just did it assuming that I would pay $50 for it. The only discussion of an extra was when she offered a BJ for $100 which I declined.

It's fair enough if a HJ is an extra and costs $50 but I wasn't given a choice nor was I told what it would cost. If she said it would be $50 I would have declined. I did take in an extra $50 with for the use of an extra but I didn't particularly enjoy the girl and she was on her period so I didn't intend on having any extras.

OP, $70 an hour is just the base rate...and $50 Nude HJ seems to be the 'market price'

[Putter]

OP, $70 an hour is just the base rate...and $50 Nude HJ seems to be the 'market price'

If it was a legit shop, prices can be very high.

If it was an “extras available” type shop, then was she nude? If she wasn’t then he was ripped off.

[bdjc]

If it was a legit shop, prices can be very high.

If it was an “extras available” type shop, then was she nude? If she wasn’t then he was ripped off.
agree.
when the extras question comes up, I always ask upfront if the girl would get fully stripped off and allow touching, if not, I just say no and stick to a normal massage.

some would hem and haw, trying to keep something on or charge more for taking off the panties or touching, the moment this happens, I just say "gotcha, no extras then".

it doesn't matter how hot the girl is, people with this sort of attitude won't give you a "happy" ending

[andrewv]

It was a pre-paid shop for $70 for an hour.

I never at any point said anything about extras and the HJ was done without asking. She just did it assuming that I would pay $50 for it. The only discussion of an extra was when she offered a BJ for $100 which I declined.

It's fair enough if a HJ is an extra and costs $50 but I wasn't given a choice nor was I told what it would cost. If she said it would be $50 I would have declined. I did take in an extra $50 with for the use of an extra but I didn't particularly enjoy the girl and she was on her period so I didn't intend on having any extras.

To be totally frank with you, it is very naive to expect to pay just $70 for a one-hour massage plus a HJ.
Next time a girl touches your dick without discussing prices, ask her to stop and say "can we agree on what is going to happen before you proceed, please?"
To be fair to the girl, she probably sees every man coming for a massage handing over $50 at the end after they get their rocks off.

There is no free lunch in this world. Hard to believe you simply laid back and enjoyed the hand job to the end, and seriously thought this is just a $70 deal.
Maybe in Thailand or similar but not in expensive Australia.

[Candy1234]

Try saying NO to extras at the start of the session, ufff they will kick you out so fast!!

[marble]

Try saying NO to extras at the start of the session, ufff they will kick you out so fast!!

When I had felt there was no chemistry with a ML and she realised at the start of the punt she wasn't getting a tip during a 30 minutes session, she walked outside to the boss
I was a walk in for 30 minutes only, not a booking, and was made to feel very uncomfortable

That was my cue to put my shirt back on, tell the manager this isn't going to work, and got a full refund

[LBW1959]

When I had felt there was no chemistry with a ML and she realised at the start of the punt she wasn't getting a tip during a 30 minutes session, she walked outside to the boss
I was a walk in for 30 minutes only, not a booking, and was made to feel very uncomfortable

That was my cue to put my shirt back on, tell the manager this isn't going to work, and got a full refund

In this situation, I can't help wondering did you know it was a R&T shop when you walked in, or were you expecting a legit massage only?
The first time I visited 2 Pope St at Ryde the ML asked me if I'd been there previously and when I said no, asked me was I aware of what type of massage service they offered.
Apparently some customers walk into these shops thinking they're going to get a therapeutic massage and then get all offended when the girl's hand slips between their legs!!

[marble]

In this situation, I can't help wondering did you know it was a R&T shop when you walked in, or were you expecting a legit massage only?


Its a very well known R&T. But no customer is obliged to ask for extras or pay for extras. I'm sure local councils will back that statement

[LBW1959]

Its a very well known R&T. But no customer is obliged to ask for extras or pay for extras. I'm sure local councils will back that statement

Fair enough, but there are plenty of massage shops around that are not R&T. I think if I was primarily after a good massage without any extras I'd avoid well-known R&T establishments.

[Candy1234]

Fair enough, but there are plenty of massage shops around that are not R&T. I think if I was primarily after a good massage without any extras I'd avoid well-known R&T establishments.
True that, but sometimes they lure you in with these enhanced photos, once the girl step inside the room… oh man, different story there. Instead of walking out, maybe do just a massage to make the shop happy? Nope, most of the time they’re not happy with just a massage, all these excuses on how they need to pay the girl, tissues, oil, a car blah blah. I mean if the base rate is like half of what’s out there these days then yes don’t mind tipping the girl extra for just a massage.

[gthgrt]

In this situation, I can't help wondering did you know it was a R&T shop when you walked in, or were you expecting a legit massage only?...
He knew it was R&T. He went prepared to pay for extras, just didn't want it from this girl.

...I did take in an extra $50 with for the use of an extra but I didn't particularly enjoy the girl and she was on her period so I didn't intend on having any extras.
Also, they must have had this discussion about her being on her period before the extras started.

If he really didn't want it, he should have done this as soon as she grabbed his dick.

...Next time a girl touches your dick without discussing prices, ask her to stop and say "can we agree on what is going to happen before you proceed, please?"...

[GoldfishMan]

Fair enough, but there are plenty of massage shops around that are not R&T. I think if I was primarily after a good massage without any extras I'd avoid well-known R&T establishments.

Bro, some of the RNT girls are so skilled at massage, they can put legit shops to shame. A recent one that springs to mind is T Milin of SBM, but I've come across quite a few more in the past.

I like strong massages from a "sure hand", meaning they can apply strength but they do not "shudder" like some others do.

The shuddering comes from lack of knowledge and confidence making them afraid of hurting the customer. I really hate it when they do that.

[abovetherim]

He must be new to this game because $70 1 hour massage + $50 for base extra has been that way for a while now.

[thefatness]

Are you the type to split the bill on a first date too?

[GoldfishMan]

More like the guy who would eat a dish brought to his table by mistake at a restaurant, then declare "I didn't order it" to try to get out of paying for it.

[andrewv]

It was a pre-paid shop for $70 for an hour.

I never at any point said anything about extras and the HJ was done without asking. She just did it assuming that I would pay $50 for it. The only discussion of an extra was when she offered a BJ for $100 which I declined.

It's fair enough if a HJ is an extra and costs $50 but I wasn't given a choice nor was I told what it would cost. If she said it would be $50 I would have declined. I did take in an extra $50 with for the use of an extra but I didn't particularly enjoy the girl and she was on her period so I didn't intend on having any extras.

Why did you not ask her to stop as soon as she started playing with your dick? Saying "If she said it would be $50 I would have declined" is honestly weak reasoning.
When someone proceeds to give you a hand job, feel free to ask if it is included in the price you paid or if it will be extra.

Guys, we need to be fair on the girls here. They are not your wives or girlfriends and want to give you pleasure because they love you. For God's sake, it's time to grow up.

[winning2121]

50hj 100bj is the going rate …

[Bucko57]

For years the going rate at your standard R+T shop appeared to be $20 for a clothed HJ, $30-$40 for a 'top off' HJ and $50 for a nude HJ (plus a bit of B2B if you were lucky). Prices for additional services varied. Must admit that I was surprised that $20 remained the norm for many years. So have prices increased post covid? Interestingly in country areas away from Sydney the going rate has been $40 for a few years for what I reckon is an inferior service. I guess that's competition for you !!

[Bunnyboi]

Hey man next time you go for a punt and your short, message me I'll give you the extra $50. It's about having fun people I'm always up for helping a fellow punter out. I pretty much shout my mates all the time lol

[GoldfishMan]

There's a very practical reason why the rate for RNT extras tend to stay the same a lot longer than the rates for other sex services like FS in a shop or with an escort.

It's a cash transaction right there in the room with the girl. She doesn't have a cash register in front of her. She's not going to charge you $59.99 because the cost of living has gone up by 7%. Heck, even charging $55 is not practical because not everyone's going to have a $5 note on them. The rate always goes by bigger dollar notes. $20, $50, $100, $150. Easy right? No need to give change.

But that also puts them in a disadvantaged position because they can't increase rates as easily as, say, an FS shop girl. To go from $50 to $70 is a 40% increase, that's a huge increase and will likely push away too many customers. On the other hand, a shop girl can increase her rate by $10, $20 or $30 and come up with "odd" looking dollar amounts like $330 /hour because there's a cashier out the front of the shop that handles the cash and can give the change back to the punter.

[frisson]

There's a very practical reason why the rate for RNT extras tend to stay the same a lot longer than the rates for other sex services like FS in a shop or with an escort.

It's a cash transaction right there in the room with the girl. She doesn't have a cash register in front of her. She's not going to charge you $59.99 because the cost of living has gone up by 7%. Heck, even charging $55 is not practical because not everyone's going to have a $5 note on them. The rate always goes by bigger dollar notes. $20, $50, $100, $150. Easy right? No need to give change.

But that also puts them in a disadvantaged position because they can't increase rates as easily as, say, an FS shop girl. To go from $50 to $70 is a 40% increase, that's a huge increase and will likely push away too many customers

Nice theory that doesn't include the massage shops that charge a higher prepaid surcharge. For example, $150 for entry
The ML can't upgrade the price but the prepay shop owners can

I like RnT for the reason you describe and avoid the prepay massage shops

[bdjc]

Nice theory that doesn't include the massage shops that charge a higher prepaid surcharge. For example, $150 for entry
The ML can't upgrade the price but the prepay shop owners can

I like RnT for the reason you describe and avoid the prepay massage shops
exactly, never prepay.
another reason is that you want to get a feel for the ML's attitude before deciding if it's worth shelling out 50 bucks for extra.

sometimes I sense the girl is a sharp pro and I just say no to extra

[ShirtyTheBear]

He knew it was R&T. He went prepared to pay for extras, just didn't want it from this girl.

Also, they must have had this discussion about her being on her period before the extras started.

There was no discussion about it at all. I had no idea until 30 minutes in when I saw that she had a pad on and didn't take off her underwear. (which threw out most if not all of the extras I would have had in mind considering she was advertised as "open minded"). The massage wasn't that great (quite soft and spent a significant amount of time on the legs) and I had a feeling that she was on on the phone quite a bit.

I wasn't aware of the price discrepancy between shops and the reason behind it (since it's not really advertised anywhere), I guess that's a fair cop and a learning point.

[gthgrt]

There was no discussion about it at all. I had no idea until 30 minutes in when I saw that she had a pad on and didn't take off her underwear. (which threw out most if not all of the extras I would have had in mind considering she was advertised as "open minded")....

I incorrectly assumed that you knew about her period through a discussion not an observation.
The point was, that you decided that you didn't want extras from her, before she started to give you a HJ, an extra, but you did nothing to stop her.
However I see that this argument is pointless, as you didn't consider the HJ to be an extra, and believed that it was included in the $70 massage price.

I'm curious about "all of the extras" that you refer to.
Since you thought the HJ was included in the $70 for the 1hr massage, what extras were you were expecting to get for the $50?

[ShirtyTheBear]

I incorrectly assumed that you knew about her period through a discussion not an observation.
The point was, that you decided that you didn't want extras from her, before she started to give you a HJ, an extra, but you did nothing to stop her.
However I see that this argument is pointless, as you didn't consider the HJ to be an extra, and believed that it was included in the $70 massage price.

I'm curious about "all of the extras" that you refer to.
Since you thought the HJ was included in the $70 for the 1hr massage, what extras were you were expecting to get for the $50?

Yes, that is my mistake. I was unaware of the price difference between shops and whether or not the massage includes a HJ. In my 5 or so visits to RNJs I was more used to extras beyond a HJ that I did not know if it was included in the base price or not.

The extras I would usually go for are pussy slide (although I've never had this properly done, BBBJ, DATY, cuddling and kissing. Yes $50 isn't much for that but I would have covered any extra if I was short.

I was just caught off guard by the fact that I was asked for $50 for something that I didn't know cost $50 and I was quite unhappy with the attitude of the ML and the Mamasan when trying to discuss it.