Qld Police not interested

[Hachi]

Maybe I'm stating the obvious. See people post about all the rules law etc and its pointless. For me I'm currently dealing with a court case with a massage lady. So the detective is doing he's investigation. Like i'm obligated to tell the truth of what happens. I'm not trying to bury this girl but I have to tell the details, just find it funny but the Officers know for a fact what happens and have no interest to punish illegal offences. To be honest I'm glad they don't, cause these girls still need to make a living but can we stop posting like we need to worry its an issue.

[Massageloverbris]

If you’re in a court case regarding getting busted with ml best plead guilty $500 fine no conviction . Downside even though no conviction it still shows up if you need a national police clearance for a job or anything else

[Dr Grafton Everest]

...... it still shows up if you need a national police clearance for a job or anything else

it does for 10 years, then it's gone. My experience exactly (except the fine was less 15 years ago)

[VFlowers]

Maybe I'm stating the obvious. See people post about all the rules law etc and its pointless. For me I'm currently dealing with a court case with a massage lady. So the detective is doing he's investigation. Like i'm obligated to tell the truth of what happens. I'm not trying to bury this girl but I have to tell the details, just find it funny but the Officers know for a fact what happens and have no interest to punish illegal offences. To be honest I'm glad they don't, cause these girls still need to make a living but can we stop posting like we need to worry its an issue.

So you're saying that based on your anecdotal experience of a single case about which you provide very little detail we should all now start to post freely about what are still illegal activities in QLD, name shops and MLs??

[No Pay]

what he is saying is that nothing in this website can be used as evidence. everything is 'hearsay', and it is not considered solid evidence and so it is inadmissible.

[VFlowers]

what he is saying is that nothing in this website can be used as evidence. everything is 'hearsay', and it is not considered solid evidence and so it is inadmissible.

I don't think this is what he is saying, and apart from that it's beside the point.
Information obtained from this forum can be used as grounds for 'initial suspicion' to then trigger an investigation into a shop or person.

[Bucket]

Because the cops wouldn’t be able to crack our high tech code lol

[CumShot]

from my reading the OP is discussing a matter unrelated to the provision of sexual services. he seems to be stating that the the mention of sexual services is of no surprise to the investigators and instead they are focusing on the complaint at hand.

take it for what it is anecdotal forum post

[No Pay]

they can suspect all they want but nothing in here can be used as evidence.

for any investigation, they have to physically go in to the shops

[popeye96]

they can suspect all they want but nothing in here can be used as evidence.

for any investigation, they have to physically go in to the shops

Correct. But why make it easier for them. From information gathered here they know exactly which shop and which ML to target, and for what services, rather than taking a shot in the dark (no pun intended).

[HST]

Correct. But why make it easier for them. From information gathered here they know exactly which shop and which ML to target, and for what services, rather than taking a shot in the dark (no pun intended).
Spot on. No wonder some girls hate getting named, with details of services offered. It puts them at risk.

[zakthekat]

they can suspect all they want but nothing in here can be used as evidence.

for any investigation, they have to physically go in to the shops

Forum posts have been used in court before but granted they were from a seized server that hosted that forum (silkroad). So given enough cause, the forums could be acquired by the courts and their details dumped for evidence.

[Gavinator]

don't be ridiculous, guys ... if things in here can be used as evidence, anyone can create an account in here, and start 'planting fake evidence' especially to their competitors ....

[Hachi]

they can suspect all they want but nothing in here can be used as evidence.

for any investigation, they have to physically go in to the shops

Yes exactly, police already have been investigating in the shop. (Indooroopilly) That's all I can say since this case is on going. Boss is fuming to lol. Pretty sure she gave them a fake phone as evidence. But yeah the way the detectives act, seems like they don't want anything to do with the shop.

And don't be stupid, there's no way they can use this as evidence.

[VFlowers]

Yes exactly, police already have been investigating in the shop. (Indooroopilly) That's all I can say since this case is on going. Boss is fuming to lol. Pretty sure she gave them a fake phone as evidence. But yeah the way the detectives act, seems like they don't want anything to do with the shop.

And don't be stupid, there's no way they can use this as evidence.

Good grief, how often do we have to repeat that it's not about using information from this forum as hard 'evidence' in a court of law.
It's about avoiding unnecessary attention and exposure.
And what do you think would be avoiding attention and exposure better: a) "Samantha from the Heavenly Bliss Spa in Cockburn offered me unprotected oral sex for $150", or b) "S**** from HBSC offered a BBBJ for 3p"?
A) is a clear and definitive statement, b) is vague and open to interpretation, even though the cops can decipher the code - quite a few of them are customers themselves...

And, btw, you're contradicting yourself. In your first post you're saying the cops have no interest to investigate, and now you're saying they have been investigating, been at the shop and seized a phone.
So what is it?
And based on this BS you're suggesting we should be more direct and open here? Really?

And guys, if you don't use a VPN or similar when posting here, you can be easily identified via your IP address.

[Massageloverbris]

Yeah well said . I use vpn these days and whatsapp since I got busted . Believe me if what he says is true they claims find the phone they after even if phone deleted they just hook up to a program cops have and get all day back . I was suprised what they got off mine lol

[tripitaka19]

Yeah well said . I use vpn these days and whatsapp since I got busted . Believe me if what he says is true they claims find the phone they after even if phone deleted they just hook up to a program cops have and get all day back . I was suprised what they got off mine lol

Doesn't whatsapp still show your phone number? Or allow people to see your phone number if they want to get it? Have not really used it for years. How does it help?

[VFlowers]

Doesn't whatsapp still show your phone number? Or allow people to see your phone number if they want to get it? Have not really used it for years. How does it help?

I don't use Whatsapp - don't trust anything that belongs to Suckerborg.
But you can set WeChat to not show your phone number, and that's what I mostly use to communicate with shops these days - from a separate burner phone with a prepay ALDI SIM that I got off a Chinese tourist when he returned home...
Shops that don't use WeChat are rather unlikely to get my business.

[ravvg]

And guys, if you don't use a VPN or similar when posting here, you can be easily identified via your IP address.

no such thing. IP address changes all the time ... they only know where you are but can never tell CONCLUSIVELY who you are

[VFlowers]

no such thing. IP address changes all the time ... they only know where you are but can never tell CONCLUSIVELY who you are

Depending on who your ISP or mobile phone provider is, your IP address does not change 'all the time', even when you don't pay for a static address.
And your ISP is required by law to keep IP address and other metadata logs.

https://www.whistleout.com.au/Broadband/Guides/mandatory-data-retention-what-you-need-to-know

[RLC]

what he is saying is that nothing in this website can be used as evidence. everything is 'hearsay', and it is not considered solid evidence and so it is inadmissible.

What, all those posts about getting BBBJ with CIM followed by CIP then CIA which the lady was so thankful for after 128 orgasms in the 30 minute session are not solid real accounts of events? 😂

[VFlowers]

What, all those posts about getting BBBJ with CIM followed by CIP then CIA which the lady was so thankful for after 128 orgasms in the 30 minute session are not solid real accounts of events? 

You think the CIA is also involved? That even beats my paranoia levels......




;)

[RLC]

You think the CIA is also involved? That even beats my paranoia levels......




;)

Lizard People, New World Order and Illuminati are the real ones behind all this.

[TheTraveler]

Hahahaa so you'll trust the CCP over zuckercunt? Well fair play, they're probably the better of the two.

[VFlowers]

Hahahaa so you'll trust the CCP over zuckercunt? Well fair play, they're probably the better of the two.

I don't trust the CCP, or any government for that matter, but I don't really care what the CCP knows about me, and I don't think WeChat has any backdoors for western law enforcement agencies.
And for my real life communication I use Signal and Session.

[Mannykh]

If you’re in a court case regarding getting busted with ml best plead guilty $500 fine no conviction . Downside even though no conviction it still shows up if you need a national police clearance for a job or anything else

I didn't understand one thing. Do we actually get arrested to visit massage shops ? Is it illegal to visit the shop or do you have to get caught during some action. Even then, dont you have door locked and how do police know what you're doing inside ? You could just be getting a massage. Isn't it ? Please enlighten me on this. Cheers.

[popeye96]

I didn't understand one thing. Do we actually get arrested to visit massage shops ? Is it illegal to visit the shop or do you have to get caught during some action. Even then, dont you have door locked and how do police know what you're doing inside ? You could just be getting a massage. Isn't it ? Please enlighten me on this. Cheers.

You can be arrested and charged just for being on the premises without a valid reason (You're an electrician fixing a light for example is a valid reason). Even if you're just sitting in reception you may still be charged. The moral of the story is if you go for a massage, bring a tool belt with you. ;)

[VFlowers]

You can be arrested and charged just for being on the premises without a valid reason (You're an electrician fixing a light for example is a valid reason). Even if you're just sitting in reception you may still be charged. The moral of the story is if you go for a massage, bring a tool belt with you. ;)

The valid reason is to get a massage in a massage shop...

And they can 'charge' you with a lot of stuff, but they have to prove it in court, and a judge/magistrate has to find you guilty.

If you are having a beer in a bar which is also being used to sell illegal drugs or firearms, for illegal gambling in the one of the backrooms or whatever, that doesn't mean that you are part-taking in criminal activity or had any intent to do so.

[Massage 69]

This is very interesting , HOWEVER I love a good handjob with a massage , lol

[RLC]

The valid reason is to get a massage in a massage shop...

And they can 'charge' you with a lot of stuff, but they have to prove it in court, and a judge/magistrate has to find you guilty.

If you are having a beer in a bar which is also being used to sell illegal drugs or firearms, for illegal gambling in the one of the backrooms or whatever, that doesn't mean that you are part-taking in criminal activity or had any intent to do so.

Take your private health insurance card with you to a shop that has the rebate. Plenty of these places have extra services, Would be hard to pin you going to a Health Insurance approved shop and using your health insurance card for the costs.

[Massageloverbris]

Lol that be a bigger risk as be considered fraud for the shop and probably the customer I’m thinking

[popeye96]

The valid reason is to get a massage in a massage shop...

And they can 'charge' you with a lot of stuff, but they have to prove it in court, and a judge/magistrate has to find you guilty.

If you are having a beer in a bar which is also being used to sell illegal drugs or firearms, for illegal gambling in the one of the backrooms or whatever, that doesn't mean that you are part-taking in criminal activity or had any intent to do so.

As the charge is "found in or leaving after having been in a place, that provides unlawful prostitution", technically that's the only thing they need to prove. You don't need to be busted in the act. If you were then they could throw another charge at you for "partaking in illegal prostitution".

In saying all that, the question I was answering asked if it was illegal just to be in a shop and if you can be arrested for just being there. Mud sticks, so depending on your employer, if they found out you had to go to court for this, it could potentially do damage to your working career, whether you were found guilty or not.

[VFlowers]

As the charge is "found in or leaving after having been in a place, that provides unlawful prostitution", technically that's the only thing they need to prove. You don't need to be busted in the act. If you were then they could throw another charge at you for "partaking in illegal prostitution".

In saying all that, the question I was answering asked if it was illegal just to be in a shop and if you can be arrested for just being there. Mud sticks, so depending on your employer, if they found out you had to go to court for this, it could potentially do damage to your working career, whether you were found guilty or not.

It's kinda difficult to properly discuss complicated legal issues in a forum like this.

For a place to be found to provide 'unlawful' prostitution, it must basically be proven that the owner/manager was in on it. An individual ML giving you a HJ or even FS does not automatically make a case for 'unlawful prostitution'.
And ultimately they would need to prove that the venue could be 'reasonably suspected' to be an illegal brothel, and that you knew that.

A few years ago I had some issues with backpain, and went to see a very good ML in a shop in the Redcliffe/NL area on a regular basis. Back then I could have sworn that the place was legit. Only when I found this forum, did I realize that it was not that legit.... lol.
So if you are afraid of a getting-caught-in-a-bust scenario, you basically can't go to ANY massage shop, except for strictly remedial/physiotherapy type of places with licenced therapists.

But you're right, mud does stick.....and depending on career/family/social environment, some people are more vulnerable than others.
I, myself, fortunately don't need to care about any of this anymore - and I would fight any BS charges with full force.

[popeye96]

It's kinda difficult to properly discuss complicated legal issues in a forum like this.

For a place to be found to provide 'unlawful' prostitution, it must basically be proven that the owner/manager was in on it. An individual ML giving you a HJ or even FS does not automatically make a case for 'unlawful prostitution'.
And ultimately they would need to prove that the venue could be 'reasonably suspected' to be an illegal brothel, and that you knew that.

A few years ago I had some issues with backpain, and went to see a very good ML in a shop in the Redcliffe/NL area on a regular basis. Back then I could have sworn that the place was legit. Only when I found this forum, did I realize that it was not that legit.... lol.
So if you are afraid of a getting-caught-in-a-bust scenario, you basically can't go to ANY massage shop, except for strictly remedial/physiotherapy type of places with licenced therapists.

But you're right, mud does stick.....and depending on career/family/social environment, some people are more vulnerable than others.
I, myself, fortunately don't need to care about any of this anymore - and I would fight any BS charges with full force.

You are mistaking being arrested and charged with going to court and being found innocent or guilty. Police need very little evidence to arrest and charge you. It is then up to the DPP I believe, to decide if there is enough evidence to proceed to court or to drop the charges.

[VFlowers]

You are mistaking being arrested and charged with going to court and being found innocent or guilty. Police need very little evidence to arrest and charge you. It is then up to the DPP I believe, to decide if there is enough evidence to proceed to court or to drop the charges.

I am not confusing anything. Being arrested and charged with something ultimately means nothing - you're innocent until proven guilty, and that can only happen in a court of law.

If you get caught in a bust, you might get arrested and charged, so what? All you have to do is to identify yourself. You don't have to cooperate, you don't have to talk to them.
If they really charge you and you are ordered to appear in court, there are plenty of ways and strategies to delay matters almost indefinitely, until they lose interest. You're small fish.
And if somehow you still do end up in court and have to plead your case, THEY need to prove that the massage shop was an illegal brothel AND that you could have been reasonably expected to know that, which isn't that easy given that most massage shops actually do provide massages.

[popeye96]

I am not confusing anything. Being arrested and charged with something ultimately means nothing - you're innocent until proven guilty, and that can only happen in a court of law.

If you get caught in a bust, you might get arrested and charged, so what? All you have to do is to identify yourself. You don't have to cooperate, you don't have to talk to them.
If they really charge you and you are ordered to appear in court, there are plenty of ways and strategies to delay matters almost indefinitely, until they lose interest. You're small fish.
And if somehow you still do end up in court and have to plead your case, THEY need to prove that the massage shop was an illegal brothel AND that you could have been reasonably expected to know that, which isn't that easy given that most massage shops actually do provide massages.

I'm happy for you that you are so lax about the whole thing. I'm sure most others would be a bit more concerned if it they ended up in that situation. Having to fork out for legal defense and having the potential to be a headline somewhere. Not likely but possible.

Anyway, I come back to the original question that was asked. Can you be arrested? Simple answer is yes.

[Scenic]

I am not confusing anything. Being arrested and charged with something ultimately means nothing - you're innocent until proven guilty, and that can only happen in a court of law.

If you get caught in a bust, you might get arrested and charged, so what? All you have to do is to identify yourself. You don't have to cooperate, you don't have to talk to them.
If they really charge you and you are ordered to appear in court, there are plenty of ways and strategies to delay matters almost indefinitely, until they lose interest. You're small fish.
And if somehow you still do end up in court and have to plead your case, THEY need to prove that the massage shop was an illegal brothel AND that you could have been reasonably expected to know that, which isn't that easy given that most massage shops actually do provide massages.

Why burn our hands whule we could use a pair of pliers? (this is a translation of an asian proverb). We can play safe and still get desired results. It sounds like you don't mnd making headlines for wrong reasons. Good for you!!

[Herpetology]

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WTF

[Neutral.Excalibur]

This is why I don't visit shops (except for the legit ones that actually give a good massage).

If I'm after anything else, then I'll find a private, or licensed establishment. But that's just me.

[Gavinator]

yeah, best is to just stop going to massage shops altogether. shit services, ridiculous prices and high risks. what for ?

[VFlowers]

yeah, best is to just stop going to massage shops altogether. shit services, ridiculous prices and high risks. what for ?

Well, more and more shops are popping up everywhere, new girls are being advertised all the time...
Seems that despite the constant whinging in this forum about for example "....shit services, ridiculous prices and high risks...", it's still a successful enough business model for owners and staff, and that either there is a terrible 'massage addiction' epidemic happening, or more than enough people find service quality and prices still acceptable.

And the risk of getting caught in a bust in a random massage joint on a random day is negligible.