Brittany Higgins / Bruce Lehmann case

[GoldfishMan]

Not talking about the case itself.

Is it just me or is there like, so many hot women involved in the case??
A few days ago, there was an ex-colleague named Lauren Gains who testified. She's quite nice...

Today, the security guard testified and holy smokes, she looks like a porn star! Check it out, Miss Nikola Anderson (scroll down to see her pics):
https://www.news.com.au/national/nsw-act/courts-law/bruce-lehrmann-defamation-suit-against-network-10-and-lisa-wilkinson-live-coverage/news-story/fb15c2f741659a5a6c26aa333682993d

Wtf is going on??

[dvu420]

I guess I should move to Canberra to work there.

[Sibon]

I guess I should move to Canberra to work there.

Get voted in as a MP and you'll get all the beauties.

[Soton]

Checked out now

[charmingninjaman]

Looks like any other girl to me - nothing special :sweat:
and first 2 pics of her are using a filter which makes her face look smaller than it really is.

[GoldfishMan]

Lol, ok, maybe filtered. I like her eyebrows though. Looks vampy.

The other girl that was on the stand was good enough to be a tv presenter at one time I think. That one's not bad.

[woodland]

Brittany Higgins not really my type.

[ReginaldBubbles]

Brittany Higgins not really my type.

Wouldn't rape her then?

Trust you degenerates to turn a rape case into commenting on how hot the witnesses are. That's the only value women have to you.
Except maybe your mums and daughters and then you're probably, "How dare you comment on them!"

[Double_Adapter]

Not much to look at or brag about, though the blonde piece with the bolt-ons (mid way down the page) I wouldn't kick her out bed if she farted.

[GoldfishMan]

Wouldn't rape her then?

Trust you degenerates to turn a rape case into commenting on how hot the witnesses are. That's the only value women have to you.
Except maybe your mums and daughters and then you're probably, "How dare you comment on them!"

What rape case? Isn't this now a defamation suit between BL and Channel 7?

[frisson]

Brittany was a looker back then
Why was she was given $1.9 million payout by the taxpayer?

[ReginaldBubbles]

What rape case? Isn't this now a defamation suit between BL and Channel 7?

What's the defamation suit about?
And if the court decides he was identified somehow, it becomes a defence of truth of rape claims.

[ReginaldBubbles]

Brittany was a looker back then
Why was she was given $1.9 million payout by the taxpayer?

It's all very clear.

"Higgins, who was called to give evidence by Ten and Wilkinson as part of their defence to the claim, told the court she received about $1.9 million under a settlement with the Commonwealth finalised in December last year, once legal fees and taxes were subtracted.

The deed breaks down the gross settlement sum into five categories: $400,000 for hurt, distress and humiliation suffered by Higgins arising from alleged conduct during her employment; $1.48 million to cover lost earning capacity; $220,000 for medical expenses; $100,000 for past and future domestic assistance; and $245,000 for her legal costs." SMH

Why you so mad about such an insignificant amount of "taxpayer dollars"? Gerry Harvey got 22 million covid dollars and didn't even get raped.

[dotcumdotinyou]

Get off your high horse reggie...it's only your opinion that she's a rape victim. More than likely influenced by the left wing, biased, ABC reporting of the matter.

The rape case against Lehmann was thrown out of court for insufficient evidence. Higgins was shown to be an unreliable witness who wiped evidence from her phone and changed her story to suit her circumstances.
Even the prosecutor of the case was investigated and had to resign.

I don't like Lehmann he looks creepy, but facts are facts and in this case he came out as the victim and hence the defamation case

[humanbeinglawnmower]

Get off your high horse reggie...it's only your opinion that she's a rape victim. More than likely influenced by the left wing, biased, ABC reporting of the matter.

The rape case against Lehmann was thrown out of court for insufficient evidence. Higgins was shown to be an unreliable witness who wiped evidence from her phone and changed her story to suit her circumstances.
Even the prosecutor of the case was investigated and had to resign.

I don't like Lehmann he looks creepy, but facts are facts and in this case he came out as the victim and hence the defamation case

Nothing to do with the ABC.
Ten and Seven are the the ones paying.
It’s been a mess since the start - exploited by politicians and political staffers for their own purposes.

[ReginaldBubbles]

Get off your high horse reggie...it's only your opinion that she's a rape victim. More than likely influenced by the left wing, biased, ABC reporting of the matter.

The rape case against Lehmann was thrown out of court for insufficient evidence. Higgins was shown to be an unreliable witness who wiped evidence from her phone and changed her story to suit her circumstances.
Even the prosecutor of the case was investigated and had to resign.

I don't like Lehmann he looks creepy, but facts are facts and in this case he came out as the victim and hence the defamation case

High horse is always a great argument and I didn't say she was a rape victim but at least get your facts straight dotcummer. It was declared a mistrial because a juror was doing their own research and didn't go to another trial because the judge was worried about her mental health.

But keep defending him if you want and seeing him as the victim and keep commenting on which witnesses you want to fuck by all means.

Left wing, biased ABC etc is also always a great argument.

Looking forward to Allan Jones' defamation case next where I'm sure he will also prove what a great guy he is.

[Jamez11]

It's all very clear.

"Higgins, who was called to give evidence by Ten and Wilkinson as part of their defence to the claim, told the court she received about $1.9 million under a settlement with the Commonwealth finalised in December last year, once legal fees and taxes were subtracted.

The deed breaks down the gross settlement sum into five categories: $400,000 for hurt, distress and humiliation suffered by Higgins arising from alleged conduct during her employment; $1.48 million to cover lost earning capacity; $220,000 for medical expenses; $100,000 for past and future domestic assistance; and $245,000 for her legal costs." SMH

Why you so mad about such an insignificant amount of "taxpayer dollars"? Gerry Harvey got 22 million covid dollars and didn't even get raped.

Yep Labor gave our tax payer money on the untested claim made by Higgins that she won’t be able to work for 40 fucken years! Meanwhile she had a book deal worth 300 thousand dollars before the trial even began. God knows how much speaking engagements and me too rallies she’s been paid for since. How can you look at what she got paid for, using our tax money and think it’s reasonable for nothing more than an allegation?

[GoldfishMan]

Yep Labor gave our tax payer money on the untested claim made by Higgins that she won’t be able to work for 40 fucken years! Meanwhile she had a book deal worth 300 thousand dollars before the trial even began. God knows how much speaking engagements and me too rallies she’s been paid for since. How can you look at what she got paid for, using our tax money and think it’s reasonable for nothing more than an allegation?

What's the point of arguing with him?

First, his opinions are only that, his opinions.

Second, surely we all know by now that Reg is ideological in his views about women, among other things? He idolizes them, they can do no wrong. Arguing with him about this matter would be like arguing with a street preacher about the existence of God. You can't win and there's no point to even go there.

[ReginaldBubbles]

What's the point of arguing with him?

First, his opinions are only that, his opinions.

Second, surely we all know by now that Reg is ideological in his views about women, among other things? He idolizes them, they can do no wrong. Arguing with him about this matter would be like arguing with a street preacher about the existence of God. You can't win and there's no point to even go there.

Lol no I just don't hate them like you, unless you think they're fuckable, do what they're told and say what you want to hear and don't have their own opinions.
At least you're not ideological (except about the ABC watching loony left etc etc etc).

And we all have opinions but mine are actual more factual than yours.

[frisson]

It’s been a mess since the start - exploited by politicians and political staffers for their own purposes.
100%
She admits she was extremely drunk. And admits she was not wearing underwear that night. Then went back to Parliament house with a work colleague, who bought multiple alcoholic drinks for you, in the middle of the night, to crash on a couch
What is strange is she was paid $1.9 million and has an $100 000 cash advance to write a book, all before any court case at all had started
That's the facts from court hearings.

Better she had gone home early from that drinks night, and not let a man with a girlfriend buy her multiple drinks

That's one way people would look at it

[personaa]

There is money flowing everywhere in this case, Wilkison's lawyers have sent her an invoice of 750K and she is now demanding Ch10 to reimburse her, on the other hand Ch10 is questioning the invoice and they said we already offered you a lawyer but you decided to hire someone else so it's none of our business. Wilkinson is going to sue Ch10.

People are cashing out left and right.

[frisson]

There is money flowing everywhere in this case, Wilkison's lawyers have sent her an invoice of 750K and she is now demanding Ch10 to reimburse her, on the other hand Ch10 is questioning the invoice and they said we already offered you a lawyer but you decided to hire someone else so it's none of our business. Wilkinson is going to sue Ch10.

People are cashing out left and right.

True. Even before the court case had started, Wilkinson was discussing the case on stage! Really? Isn't that prejudicing a criminal court case before if goes to trial? Why isn't that a criminal offence?
I don't know if the guy is guilty or not, but no one is entitled to discuss specifics of a court case in public and influence the case. Does she get a kickback from the book deal, her husband is in the book industry. Not making allegations, just asking the basic questions

[yonah]

100%
She admits she was extremely drunk. And admits she was not wearing underwear that night. Then went back to Parliament house by a work collegue in the middle of the night, to crash on a couch
What is strange is she was paid $1.9 million and has an $100 000 cash advance to write a book, all before any court case at all had started
That's the facts from court hearings.

Better she had gone home early from that drinks night, and not let a man with a girlfriend buy her multiple drinks

That's one way people would look at it

I don't understand women who walk around in public without underwear on. What if some slime seeps out and trickles down the leg? Or even worse if she's got a smelly pussy, she'd walk around smelling like the fish market.

I reckon it's public smear campaign as a form of blackmail. These girls target horny parliamentarians and extort them similar to dole bludging single mums advertising unlimited creampie sex for child support money.

[frisson]

I don't understand women who walk around in public without underwear on

I don't even understand women wearing gstrings under trousers or dress. Why not just wear nothing, as they are not doing anything

I suppose going for drinks in a dress with nothing underneath must feel free. Also means you don't leave your underwear behind somewhere after a nights fun in a strange place

Trying to imagine what a new lady date would think, if I took her to drinks and told her I don't have any underwear on? Isn't it the same thing?

[yonah]

I don't even understand women wearing gstrings under trousers or dress. Why not just wear nothing, as they are not doing anything

I suppose going for drinks in a dress with nothing underneath must feel free. Also means you don't leave your underwear behind somewhere after a nights fun in a strange place

Trying to imagine what a new lady date would think, if I took her to drinks and told her I don't have any underwear on? Isn't it the same thing?

At least there's a piece of cloth covering the crotch just in case any leakage happens.

I heard women replace their underwears on a monthly basis. Sometimes the yellow stains or period stains can't be removed or the elastic band just deteriorated. It's cheaper buying a whole new pack than bleaching the shit out of it. Otherwise there's the disposable options as well. I'd be lucky finding a pair of used underwear left behind at a bar.

If a guy tells a girl he doesn't have underwear on she might freak out. It's like saying your trousers are smeared with smudges of poo, drops of pee and possibly leftover precum. Underwear for both sexes is basically a hygiene layer that protects your favourite pair of pants or skirt from your excrements. Not to forget it absorbs all the sweat from your balls.

[personaa]

True. Even before the court case had started, Wilkinson was discussing the case on stage! Really? Isn't that prejudicing a criminal court case before if goes to trial? Why isn't that a criminal offence?
I don't know if the guy is guilty or not, but no one is entitled to discuss specifics of a court case in public and influence the case. Does she get a kickback from the book deal, her husband is on the book industry. Not making allegations, just asking the basic questions

Wilkinson knows how to cash out based on feminist discourses. Remember when she was crying over her pay? She moved to project and she was paid more than anyone else and it was fair , but in her precious job she couldn't understand why she was getting paid less. She couldn't see maybe others were better than her but she sees everything from gender glasses. She cries and knows how to play the gender game quite well.

In this very rare occasion I completely agree with Jordan Peterson on quotas. He is on the money . Political correctness is a scam.

[GoldfishMan]

At least there's a piece of cloth covering the crotch just in case any leakage happens.

I heard women replace their underwears on a monthly basis. Sometimes the yellow stains or period stains can't be removed or the elastic band just deteriorated. It's cheaper buying a whole new pack than bleaching the shit out of it. Otherwise there's the disposable options as well. I'd be lucky finding a pair of used underwear left behind at a bar.

If a guy tells a girl he doesn't have underwear on she might freak out. It's like saying your trousers are smeared with smudges of poo, drops of pee and possibly leftover precum. Underwear for both sexes is basically a hygiene layer that protects your favourite pair of pants or skirt from your excrements. Not to forget it absorbs all the sweat from your balls.

Lol no idea where you got that from about women changing new undies every month.

First, most women go for darker coloured undies cos they don't start to look terrible due to staining etc. Heck even I do that. I only ever buy black undies cos I want them to last and I sure as fuck don't want to show any skid marks, lol...

Second, very few women actually "leak slime", have coloured discharge, leak period blood, etc. The slime and discharge are from women with infections, it's not a normal occurrence . Period leakage rarely happens because most women can feel the bleeding will start well beforehand, so they pad up or tampon up in preparation.

And last part, most East Asian women worth their salt in terms of hygiene would always wash their own panties separately from other laundry, either in the shower or using a sink, on a daily basis. Ever been to an Asian girl's bathroom and seen all the undies hanging up to dry? That's what they do in there.

It is considered taboo in East Asian culture for a woman to wash their panties with other laundry items.

[abovetherim]

Cases like these should never be made public until the due course has taken place in court and decision is made. How do you trust either side of the story? Best to keep it private and away from the judgmental minds of the public.

[frisson]

Wilkinson knows how to cash out based on feminist discourses. She sees everything from gender glasses. She cries and knows how to play the gender game quite well.
Political correctness is a scam.

Brilliant post. This is fire

Go woke, Go broke

Gender politics is just one of the many gaslighting scams in politics. Don't get me started

We are exiting the woke era now, so it's all good for our civilization. Just mediocre people who can't debate issues, pushing an unreasonable agenda to people too polite to push back. Well the pushback happened back in October 2023 in this country. Many of the Woke had to spend a week in silence - they were shellshocked that their brainwashing has no value

[yonah]

Lol no idea where you got that from about women changing new undies every month.

First, most women go for darker coloured undies cos they don't start to look terrible due to staining etc. Heck even I do that. I only ever buy black undies cos I want them to last and I sure as fuck don't want to show any skid marks, lol...

Second, very few women actually "leak slime", have coloured discharge, leak period blood, etc. The slime and discharge are from women with infections, it's not a normal occurrence . Period leakage rarely happens because most women can feel the bleeding will start well beforehand, so they pad up or tampon up in preparation.

And last part, most East Asian women worth their salt in terms of hygiene would always wash their own panties separately from other laundry, either in the shower or using a sink, on a daily basis. Ever been to an Asian girl's bathroom and seen all the undies hanging up to dry? That's what they do in there.

It is considered taboo in East Asian culture for a woman to wash their panties with other laundry items.

Should've read my post word by word. I did point out the fact that women's undies get yellow staining and period staining from time to time. My ex used to replace most of her undies monthly or every two months because she doesn't like wearing dark coloured undies. And yes I know about the undies hanging around in the toilet, it amazes me how Chinese women can spend lots of time washing their underwear by hand.

We're talking about an Aussie girl. Most Aussie girls I've dated had really bad hygiene habits no matter how hot they look - their undies sometimes get smudged by brown stains and almost every one of their undies would smell like strong pee or have period stains. Going through the laundry was awful, I told her to separate her undies from the whole laundry basket, and sometimes she'd buy new undies every week as it's a waste of time trying to wash stained undies.

You should've seen the Germans, they boil their underwears, both men and women. One German friend told me the reason why his Miele washing machine has the 90°C wash is for that exactly.

[GoldfishMan]

Wilkinson knows how to cash out based on feminist discourses. Remember when she was crying over her pay? She moved to project and she was paid more than anyone else and it was fair , but in her precious job she couldn't understand why she was getting paid less. She couldn't see maybe others were better than her but she sees everything from gender glasses. She cries and knows how to play the gender game quite well.

In this very rare occasion I completely agree with Jordan Peterson on quotas. He is on the money . Political correctness is a scam.

Bro, you've hit the nail on the head. Once the gender bias trump card is played, everything becomes a circus around it. Forget about fairness or paying someone based on their merits. That's exactly what happened there.

[frisson]

Bro, you've hit the nail on the head. Once the gender bias trump card is played, everything becomes a circus around it. Forget about fairness or paying someone based on their merits. That's exactly what happened there.
The community is much more awake now to this gaslighting and Woke agenda.

Woke involves pushy people pushing dodgy secret agendas

Look at the facts hidden, but revealed by the media exposure and legal hearings:

Brittany gets $1.9 million and has an $100 000 cash advance to write a book, all before any court case at all had started

Lisa Wilkinson spending up $750 000 on her lawyers, then is told by her employer Channel 10 that they won't be gaslighted and they are not paying. Haha

Invite all of you to call it out when someone tries to make you feel guilty, and when you review their agenda, you realise that they are virtue signallers

Noone has the right to make you feel inadequate or guilty. Noone

[ReginaldBubbles]

At least there's a piece of cloth covering the crotch just in case any leakage happens.

I heard women replace their underwears on a monthly basis. Sometimes the yellow stains or period stains can't be removed or the elastic band just deteriorated. It's cheaper buying a whole new pack than bleaching the shit out of it. Otherwise there's the disposable options as well. I'd be lucky finding a pair of used underwear left behind at a bar.

If a guy tells a girl he doesn't have underwear on she might freak out. It's like saying your trousers are smeared with smudges of poo, drops of pee and possibly leftover precum. Underwear for both sexes is basically a hygiene layer that protects your favourite pair of pants or skirt from your excrements. Not to forget it absorbs all the sweat from your balls.

Shit is that you Vincent???

Also have none of you guys heard about VPL? It doesn't mean a girl is asking to be fucked. Neither does having a few drinks.

[yonah]

Shit is that you Vincent???

Also have none of you guys heard about VPL? It doesn't mean a girl is asking to be fucked. Neither does having a few drinks.

Sorry, my name isn't Vincent as you can see.

What does visible panty line anything to do with asking to be fucked? Some guys just trying their luck to fuck almost anything that moves that's all.

I've seen some post of a guy named Vincent888. Do I sound as arrogant as him? I'm only answering a post.

If this is trolling, I'm not validating. Toodles~

[frisson]

Once the (insert bullshit cause or issue here) trump card is played, everything becomes a circus around it. Forget about fairness or paying someone based on their merits
You expressed it so well. That is exactly how the gaslighting happens bro

Can I give it a go?
Mate you are a racist, misogynist, homophobic cis trans

Kind of fun to rant this way

[GoldfishMan]

You expressed it so well. That is exactly how the gaslighting happens bro

Can I give it a go?
Mate you are a racist, misogynist, homophobic cis trans

Kind of fun to rant this way

And because you are XXXX (whatever vilified stereotype), therefore I should get whatever I'm asking for. It's a complete leap in terms of rationale. From one world to another. There is absolutely zero causality for any award given once this shitty woke BS is pulled.

[frisson]

And because you are XXXX (whatever vilified stereotype), therefore I should get whatever I'm asking for. It's a complete leap in terms of rationale. From one world to another. There is absolutely zero causality for any award given once this shitty woke BS is pulled.
GFM, if we continue to use the justice virtue-warrior method:
I then totally ignore what you just said (in an inhumane, debasing way, because your facts are not my facts)

I call you a racist homophobe misogynist

I then shut down debate, because I collapse when you actually try to discuss an issue

I get personal, and I then blame Murdoch (this is a bulsh_t argument because most people don't read newspapers)

I then seek to profit from my dodgy life view, by looking for a cushy job or government payout or contract or scholarship

[yonah]

You expressed it so well. That is exactly how the gaslighting happens bro

Can I give it a go?
Mate you are a racist, misogynist, homophobic cis trans

Kind of fun to rant this way

That's typical trolling tho. Things we do as kids - name calling, false accusations etc.

Don't like to sound "educated" but there is a way to insult a person's intelligence in a more pompous way: ask them a question related to common sense and don't tell them the answer if they can't figure it out. It makes them boil from the inside scrambling to find the answer to the universe's simple truths.

[spir55]

It's all very clear.

"Higgins, who was called to give evidence by Ten and Wilkinson as part of their defence to the claim, told the court she received about $1.9 million under a settlement with the Commonwealth finalised in December last year, once legal fees and taxes were subtracted.

The deed breaks down the gross settlement sum into five categories: $400,000 for hurt, distress and humiliation suffered by Higgins arising from alleged conduct during her employment; $1.48 million to cover lost earning capacity; $220,000 for medical expenses; $100,000 for past and future domestic assistance; and $245,000 for her legal costs." SMH

Why you so mad about such an insignificant amount of "taxpayer dollars"? Gerry Harvey got 22 million covid dollars and didn't even get raped.

good point Reg about Gerry Harvey's 22 million. A friend informed my a small company (7 employees all up) he worked at, received $100,000 from the government covid propaganda,BS,etc. The company makes millions of dollars each year and was not affected by the BS shutdown.

[Ziggurat]

Not talking about the case itself.

Dear OP, how long did you think that would last? :miao: Unless you were being intentionally mishievous ha.

Higgins not being able to work for forty years??!!

Never be productive again, ever? Reduced to a lifelong blob, eating, shitting and watching tv?

Dead set that has got to be the most passively defeatest claim I've ever heard. In actual fact it is patently, cynical, money grubbing bullshit.

I hear the new federal corruption commission is likely to look into the circumstances of the lightning fast undisputed granting of her claim.

My question is, if corruption is found, will she have to give the $1.9 mill back?

[personaa]

I'm not sure but I think she received 2.4 and after deductions 1.9 because she didn't get enough support /care from the government?

[frisson]

Dear OP, how long did you think that would last? :miao: Unless you were being intentionally mishievous ha.

Higgins not being able to work for forty years??!!

Never be productive again, ever? Reduced to a lifelong blob, eating, shitting and watching tv?

Dead set that has got to be the most passively defeatest claim I've ever heard. In actual fact it is patently, cynical, money grubbing bullshit.

I hear the new federal corruption commission is likely to look into the circumstances of the lightning fast undisputed granting of her claim.

My question is, if corruption is found, will she have to give the $1.9 mill back?
I have retracted this post as it related to a different legal case,
It has no association or relevance to the current legal case under discussion
The unrelated legal case related to a colleague, who can be re-employed as she had skills, and this colleague isn't in the Canberra bubble

[ReginaldBubbles]

Sorry, my name isn't Vincent as you can see.

What does visible panty line anything to do with asking to be fucked? Some guys just trying their luck to fuck almost anything that moves that's all.

I've seen some post of a guy named Vincent888. Do I sound as arrogant as him? I'm only answering a post.

If this is trolling, I'm not validating. Toodles~

I didn't think I'd have to explain it but. Girl wears a light fabric dress so doesn't wear underwear so as to avoid visible panty line. Girl alleges rape. Defendants lawyers suggest that she wanted to be fucked because she wan't wearing underwear.

[ReginaldBubbles]

My work colleague was sacked, and she was granted a few thousand dollars only when she took them to court for unfair dismissal

Something just doesnt seem right with the payout revealed in this case

Seems you can make a more ambitious claim if the taxpayers are footing the boot

The mistake my friend made was that she didn't work as a public servant in Canberra
She also actually has skills so she can't argue that she forever can't find work

My work colleague said that if she ever finds herself naked and bruised in the bosses office, she could not walk out that morning as if nothing happened

Case closed I guess. They should've called your colleague as a witness.

[ReginaldBubbles]

That's typical trolling tho. Things we do as kids - name calling, false accusations etc.

Don't like to sound "educated" but there is a way to insult a person's intelligence in a more pompous way: ask them a question related to common sense and don't tell them the answer if they can't figure it out. It makes them boil from the inside scrambling to find the answer to the universe's simple truths.

C'mon that's gotta be you Vinnie!

[frisson]

Sorry, just to confirm. If a lady wears a dress with a certain type of fabric, she must wear no underwear? There are no options at all ? I don't know anything about fabrics

[GoldfishMan]

Sorry, just to confirm. If a lady wears a dress with a certain type of fabric, she must wear no underwear? There are no options at all ? I don't know anything about fabrics

There are always options, don't be too presumptuous bro. Well, playing with the idea while ogling at hotties is OK, that's what we horndogs do, but don't go thinking it's a dead set fact.

There are many "solutions" these days to the VPL problem. It depends on a lot of factors. Some can use a G-string if the dress style / their fitness permits. Otherwise they can use a stick-on type G-string.

Or if the dress doesn't show the hip area, eg. No high slits etc, they can wear one of those specialised no-VPL undies. They look like trunks.

[frisson]

There are always options, don't be too presumptuous bro. Well, playing with the idea while ogling at hotties is OK, that's what we horndogs do, but don't go thinking it's a dead set fact.

There are many "solutions" these days to the VPL problem. It depends on a lot of factors. Some can use a G-string if the dress style / their fitness permits. Otherwise they can use a stick-on type G-string.

Or if the dress doesn't show the hip area, eg. No high slits etc, they can wear one of those specialised no-VPL undies. They look like trunks.
That's what I was thinking GFM

Walking around without underwear just doesn't seem hygeinic, and is the reason men would never even consider it

Of course noone is suggesting that if you don't wear underwear you should be assaulted, that is disgusting

[Tiffd]

Fuck me this thread is a dumpster fire.

Some of us punt because we have a high drive or are just ugly. Some of you guys are obviously just creatures.

Apparently it’s woke to think women can decide if they wear underwear or not. God forbid a woman does what she wants. Next thing she’ll want to vote and go to university am I right lads? How woke is that?!

You guys realise the defendant has been accused by 2 other women of similar shit, before this media circus happened?

[GoldfishMan]

That's what I was thinking GFM

Walking around without underwear just doesn't seem hygeinic, and is the reason men would never even consider it

Of course noone is suggesting that if you don't wear underwear you should be assaulted, that is disgusting

Even if a girl were to walk around naked on the street, doesn't mean she should be sexually assaulted. Nothing can justify that behaviour.

But I'd say one thing. A girl not wearing undies on a night out doesn't mean she doesn't wear it every day. And the thought of a girl not wearing anything at that moment when she's looking fabulous, well that's sexy as fuck. They know it's a turn on, we know it too.

Gotta put aside that stupid idea about what a girl deserves and just enjoy that sexy show she's putting on, and maybe try to hook up!

[ReginaldBubbles]

Of course noone is suggesting that if you don't wear underwear you should be assaulted, that is disgusting

Totally weird that Lehrmann's lawyers brought it up then right??

[ReginaldBubbles]

C'mon that's gotta be you Vinnie!

Hey what happened to Yonah?!

[Quad]

Hey what happened to Yonah?!
Banned like Tan for personal attacks. Are u listening RodgHerMoore ?

[ReginaldBubbles]

Banned like Tan for personal attacks. Are u listening RodgHerMoore ?

Vinnie can't catch a break!

[frisson]

Totally weird that Lehrmann's lawyers brought it up then right??
Not at all. She was found totally naked by security. This is a faux re-run of the criminal trial. Not sure why Brittany agreed to play a part as it's leading her to be asked some very unfair questions. But then again she has a book deal right?

It's a circus and everyone has agreed to play a part. Noone will look good after this trial, and mark my words, the only winners will be the lawyers, making millions of dollars and and creating more misery for everyone

Very naive for all, to agree to join the lawyers feast

In this country we also have a naive view that lawyers will bring you justice. Actually it's a legal system, not a justice system

[Abracadabra]

Not at all. She was found totally naked by security. This is a faux re-run of the criminal trial. Not sure why Brittany agreed to play a part as it's leading her to be asked some very unfair questions. But then again she has a book deal right?

It's a circus and everyone has agreed to play a part. Noone will look good after this trial, and mark my words, the only winners will be the lawyers, making millions of dollars and and creating more misery for everyone

Very naive for all, to agree to join the lawyers feast

In this country we also have a naive view that lawyers will bring you justice. Actually it's a legal system, not a justice system

Yes, it has quickly become a painful farce and makes you wonder who thought this was a good idea, apart from legal teams.

Agree frisson, the law will deliver a pin point legal outcome linked to precedent, which is often at odds with generally perceived justice ..... but it is all we have.

[frisson]

Yes, it has quickly become a painful farce and makes you wonder who thought this was a good idea, apart from legal teams.

Agree frisson, the law will deliver a pin point legal outcome linked to precedent, which is often at odds with generally perceived justice ..... but it is all we have.

Yes but we shouldn't have swallowed the Cool Aid and think lawyers want to help you. We are as litigious as the Californians with no reason for being so

[frisson]

Other information from the Court hearing

1. Defendant Brittany had invited a man, Nick, to the party, a Bumble date

2. Defendant sent a photo with all metadata removed, alleged bruise related to the assault. In fact this bruise had nothing to do with Mr. Lehrmann , it was sustained in the club after a fall, earlier in the night

3. Defendant confirms said the gross settlement was for $2.3m and after paying legal fees and taxes, she received $1.9m.

4. Mr Lehrmann had a girlfriend. He should have gone out for a punt instead of following the defendant as she consumed an estimated 10 vodkas, and taking her back to their bosses' office

5. Channel 7 are paying Mr Lehrmann rent for 12 months in an expensive apartment, for appearing in an interview. That's media morals for you

Court notes:
She brought a date called Nick
CCTV played to the court on Tuesday showed Ms Higgins’ bumble date Nick arriving and sitting with the group. Brittany agreed she ghosted him at the party and he left

“He was made fun of, yes, but in hindsight, I was rude to my date and he left because I was rude to my date,” "I didn't know his name was Nick' Ms Higgins said
The lawyer for Mr suggested to Ms Higgins that it was an “absolute lie” that she did not know his name, having referenced his name in a draft of her book, as well in her police interview.

Bruise:
However defendant said she now accepted it was possible that she suffered the bruise while falling up the stairs at a bar, 88MPH, on the same evening.

The court also heard that she told the TV show,The Project, that the bruise was caused by Mr Lehrmann

The court heard that when Ms Higgins sent the photo to The Project producer Angus Llewellyn, she sent him a screenshot rather than the original.

Ms Higgins denied that she sent him a screenshot so it would not contain any metadata, which would establish when it was taken

[andrewv]

Add to that the lie about not wearing underpants. She now admits she went knickerless to the bars and said because she didn’t want a VPL (visible panty line) to show under her dress.

Her first draft of the book was loaded with fiction too.

[JSteel96]

There's too many holes in Higgins story she changed the story / facts several times and was blind drunk at the time of the alleged incident. She is not reliable in court to back up her claim how can she remember what happened when drunk off her face? I am so tired of seeing this BS case on the news every night.

[frisson]

There's too many holes in Higgins story she changed the story / facts several times and was blind drunk at the time of the alleged incident. She is not reliable in court to back up her claim how can she remember what happened when drunk off her face? I am so tired of seeing this BS case on the news every night.

She states she had the smell on her after the alleged assault. Right there she would have had the DNA sample to put the guy behind bars, if only she had gone to the police, none of these now meaningless trials would be going ahead.

She didn't want to lose her job, understood, but there was zero way she was going to keep her job the day her boss found out she had sex in the Ministers office. The security found her naked on her bosses couch. Fact

Simple rule. If you work in a high security department in Canberra, do not go into Parliament House late at night with a man when you are really drunk. It will not end well

[Double_Adapter]

Not at all. She was found totally naked by security. This is a faux re-run of the criminal trial. Not sure why Brittany agreed to play a part as it's leading her to be asked some very unfair questions. But then again she has a book deal right?

It's a circus and everyone has agreed to play a part. Noone will look good after this trial, and mark my words, the only winners will be the lawyers, making millions of dollars and and creating more misery for everyone

Very naive for all, to agree to join the lawyers feast

In this country we also have a naive view that lawyers will bring you justice. Actually it's a legal system, not a justice system

The system is broken, society is broken
The rule of law is dated and it's fucked! It's obvious the checks and balances that are in place (ie judicial, executive and legislative) has failed on all counts and will continue to fail eg when you have 140 illegal immigrants being released into society to do as they please...a complete cluster fuck across all levels of government and the legal system.

[JSteel96]

The system is broken, society is broken
The rule of law is dated and it's fucked! It's obvious the checks and balances that are in place (ie judicial, executive and legislative) has failed on all counts and will continue to fail eg when you have 140 illegal immigrants being released into society to do as they please...a complete cluster fuck across all levels of government and the legal system.

Its a real cluster fuck alright they are now giving rights to a terrorist he will be freed to do as he pleases on Christmas eve. 46 Million population and no infrastructure to accommodate everyone. This country is going to the dogs. Bringing people up just cause their famous on historic sex crimes is just bull shit. They are all in it for the money. Higgins is as well.

[GoldfishMan]

There's too many holes in Higgins story she changed the story / facts several times and was blind drunk at the time of the alleged incident. She is not reliable in court to back up her claim how can she remember what happened when drunk off her face? I am so tired of seeing this BS case on the news every night.

I am also sick of seeing this news all the time too. Ranks right up there with all the Meghan/Harry tripe. Every day it was Harry this, Meghan that. Who dafuq cares, hey??

[JSteel96]

She states she had the smell on her after the alleged assault. Right there she would have had the DNA sample to put the guy behind bars, if only she had gone to the police, none of these now meaningless trials would be going ahead.

She didn't want to lose her job, understood, but there was zero way she was going to keep her job the day her boss found out she had sex in the Ministers office. The security found her naked on her bosses couch. Fact

Simple rule. If you work in a high security department in Canberra, do not go into Parliament House late at night with a man when you are really drunk. It will not end well

shes just a money hungry bitch. She's publicizing her book through a bogus trial. They can't hold this crap up in court its a waste of money. Lehmann is totally fucked no matter what. Character assassination via the media.

[GoldfishMan]

The system is broken, society is broken
The rule of law is dated and it's fucked! It's obvious the checks and balances that are in place (ie judicial, executive and legislative) has failed on all counts and will continue to fail eg when you have 140 illegal immigrants being released into society to do as they please...a complete cluster fuck across all levels of government and the legal system.
I've said it before, the justice system is deeply flawed because the judges are never held accountable for the judgements that they pass. It almost looks like the people who created the system ran out of ideas what to do at the end and just left the most important decision to an untouchable person.

[frisson]

Who dafuq cares, hey??

Haha love it
What is funny that these poor lawyer victims (bento boxes) in the current court case think their reputations will be restored and they will cash in

1. Their names and reputations, like Monica Lewinsky, are permanently trashed
2. The lawyers will each be asking for millions of dollars. There won't be much left from the defamation settlement for the victor in this case
3. Everyone understands for a brief moment about the issues of sex and consent, but then soon return to not understanding the issues behind sex and consent
4. Brittany on that fateful morning had DNA evidence on her body and could have gone to the hospital. Of course she didn't want to lose her job, understood, but this alternative universe of show trials does her no favours. Anyone want to buy her upcoming book? Maybe Mr Lehrmann?

[thefatness]

Would this be on the news every night if the victim was say a 2/10?

[JSteel96]

I am also sick of seeing this news all the time too. Ranks right up there with all the Meghan/Harry tripe. Every day it was Harry this, Meghan that. Who dafuq cares, hey??

The news needs to stop following this story I am starting to mute the TV as soon as I hear Higgins. Man I am sick to death of this story. She can't even prove it happened.

[ReginaldBubbles]

The system is broken, society is broken
The rule of law is dated and it's fucked! It's obvious the checks and balances that are in place (ie judicial, executive and legislative) has failed on all counts and will continue to fail eg when you have 140 illegal immigrants being released into society to do as they please...a complete cluster fuck across all levels of government and the legal system.

You think judges shouldn't follow the constitution?

[Double_Adapter]

You think judges shouldn't follow the constitution?

One thing I know is that Albo has done fuck all since becoming PM, so the cunt has to go.
Perhaps he should follow the lead from all the other corrupt state premiers and fuck off.
The ship is sinking and the rats are bailing out, no more fucken covid lockdowns and border shutdowns to save their arses.

[JSteel96]

One thing I know is that Albo has done fuck all since becoming PM, so the cunt has to go.
Perhaps he should follow the lead from all the other corrupt state premiers and fuck off.
The ship is sinking and the rats are bailing out, no more fucken covid lockdowns and border shutdowns to save their arses.

We need someone better running the country they are just spending billions of dollars they don't have and we are all paying for it with the fuckin cost of living crisis. Meanwhile Higgins got her million plus for screaming bs in Canberra.

[ReginaldBubbles]

One thing I know is that Albo has done fuck all since becoming PM, so the cunt has to go.
Perhaps he should follow the lead from all the other corrupt state premiers and fuck off.
The ship is sinking and the rats are bailing out, no more fucken covid lockdowns and border shutdowns to save their arses.

Didn't really answer the question.

But another good thing to know is that the separation of government and the judiciary is one of the founding principals of a democracy.

https://www.parliament.nsw.gov.au/about/Pages/Separation-of-Powers.aspx#:~:text=The%20doctrine%20of%20the%20se paration%20of%20powers%20divides%20the%20instituti ons,the%20judiciary%20interprets%20the%20laws.

I for one wouldn't like to live in a country where the government could choose to indefinitely imprison someone on character grounds. Thats fascism.

[ReginaldBubbles]

We need someone better running the country they are just spending billions of dollars they don't have and we are all paying for it with the fuckin cost of living crisis. Meanwhile Higgins got her million plus for screaming bs in Canberra.

Two surpluses in a row. Cost of living crisis is mostly driven by increased corporate profits according to the OECD.

https://australiainstitute.org.au/post/oecd-report-shows-corporate-profits-contributed-far-more-to-inflation-in-australia-than-wages/

[GoldfishMan]

Two surpluses in a row. Cost of living crisis is mostly driven by increased corporate profits according to the OECD.

https://australiainstitute.org.au/post/oecd-report-shows-corporate-profits-contributed-far-more-to-inflation-in-australia-than-wages/

What's the use of a surplus when everyone but the richest people are in deficit? The country has been in a per capita recession since September because of the mass immigration policy introduced by the Labor Gov.

This single policy demonstrates exactly how this Gov rabidly chases that coveted surplus at the expense of everyone's standard of living.

Massive immigration lifted national GDP as expected and delivered their surplus, but it has inevitably increased the cost of living for everyone. And if you think you've seen the worst of it, think again. Unemployment WILL rise in the coming year, the signs are already there pointing to this. Then we will have not only increased cost of living (the immigrants are still here, aren't they?), but decreasing wages as well. The whole country would be in recession by then, not only per capita.

That's when we'll see the reckoning on this policy by Labor. It will probably be remembered as one of the worst moves ever by a Gov in power. Unbelievable...

[Double_Adapter]

Didn't really answer the question.

But another good thing to know is that the separation of government and the judiciary is one of the founding principals of a democracy.

https://www.parliament.nsw.gov.au/about/Pages/Separation-of-Powers.aspx#:~:text=The%20doctrine%20of%20the%20se paration%20of%20powers%20divides%20the%20instituti ons,the%20judiciary%20interprets%20the%20laws.

I for one wouldn't like to live in a country where the government could choose to indefinitely imprison someone on character grounds. Thats fascism.

And you still believe in all that horseshit reg? Next thing you'll be telling me is that you still believe in fucken Santa! All systems are fucked regardless of whether it's Theocracy, Monarchy, Aristocracy, Oligarchy, Democracy, Imperialism, Tyranny.

[ReginaldBubbles]

What's the use of a surplus when everyone but the richest people are in deficit? The country has been in a per capita recession since September because of the mass immigration policy introduced by the Labor Gov.

This single policy demonstrates exactly how this Gov rabidly chases that coveted surplus at the expense of everyone's standard of living.

Massive immigration lifted national GDP as expected and delivered their surplus, but it has inevitably increased the cost of living for everyone. And if you think you've seen the worst of it, think again. Unemployment WILL rise in the coming year, the signs are already there pointing to this. Then we will have not only increased cost of living (the immigrants are still here, aren't they?), but decreasing wages as well. The whole country would be in recession by then, not only per capita.

That's when we'll see the reckoning on this policy by Labor. It will probably be remembered as one of the worst moves ever by a Gov in power. Unbelievable...

I mentioned the surplus in reference to your comment "money we don't have".

The LNP were massive fans of increased immigration and have only changed their tune now that they're in opposition. Immigration rates went up because of all the people, especially students, coming back after covid. And now Labor have announced plans to reduce immigration and crack down on dodgy student visas. You'll probably complain about that though out of self interest.

https://www.removepaywall.com/article/current

[ReginaldBubbles]

And you still believe in all that horseshit reg? Next thing you'll be telling me is that you still believe in fucken Santa! All systems are fucked regardless of whether it's Theocracy, Monarchy, Aristocracy, Oligarchy, Democracy, Imperialism, Tyranny.

Well I guess there's no hope for you then. Dunno what you're complaining about then if everything being shit is inevitable.

[Double_Adapter]

Well I guess there's no hope for you then. Dunno what you're complaining about then if everything being shit is inevitable.

There's nothing new under the sun and history does repeat itself - everything you hold so firmly to, everything you see, hear, believe, and place blind faith and trust in had an origin and was founded and built upon something prior. This democracy you hold so dearly to, had its origins and was built upon a previous foundation. If the original foundation was corrupt, brittle and fucked to begin with, no amount of reinforcement or structure can make it stronger or better. If you built your house on sand it will collapse, that is a fucken guarantee.

[frisson]

Let's face it. When you criticise any political party you smoke out all the closet supporters. I support no mainstream political party. Australians are always given sh_t officials to choose from, who mostly have no real world experience and are not successes outside of Parliament. Crying shame

All they understand us the 3-4 year election cycle and Talking Points. Hopeless.

Both parties are as f_cked as the other. When they are kicked out, the truth comes out just how incompetent they were

The Morrison government kept the immigrants criminals in quarantine and kept us all safe but had no plan B when the justice warrior Courts freed those criminals. The Morrison govt paid way to much during Covid and we have a huge debt. They were a sh_t government but labor will always be worse

Make no mistake, Labor are even more incompetent but we have to wait until the opponents to get in before the books are checked and the disastrous decisions are revealed. The ?
Minister who released those detained immigrants will be sacked. Happy to predict that now. She is directly responsible for every sexual assault that is committed by one of these immigrants that were prematurely released - the dirty secret is that Labor was not obliged to release them all straight away

I predict that Chris Bowen is proven to be 1000% wrong about renewals and the awful off shore windmills. Happy to come back to this post in 5 years and rub it up the noses of his dopy supporters

He won't stand up to scrutiny either. Won't answer to the criticisms of his flawed logic
Never had a real job in his life, mark my words

[ReginaldBubbles]

Let's face it. When you criticise any political party you smoke out all the closet supporters. I support no mainstream political party. Australians are always given sh_t officials to choose from, who mostly have no real world experience and are not successes outside of Parliament. Crying shame

All they understand I'd the 3-4 year election cycle and Talking Points. Hopeless.

Both parties are as f_cked as the other. When they are kicked out, the truth comes out just how incompetent they were

The Morrison government kept the immigrants criminals in quarantine and kept us all safe but had no plan B when the justice warrior Courts freed those criminals. The Morrison govt paid way to much during Covid and we have a huge debt. They were a sh_t government but labor will always be worse

Make no mistake, Labor are even more incompetent but we have to wait until the opponents to get in before the books are checked and the disastrous decisions are revealed

I predict that Chris Bowen is proven
to be 1000% wrong about renewals and the awful off shore windmills. He won't stand up to scrutiny either. Never had a real job in his life, mark my words

Yep smoked you out. Please name something the last government did in their 9 years that wasn't incompetent

[ReginaldBubbles]

There's nothing new under the sun and history does repeat itself - everything you hold so firmly to, everything you see, hear, believe, and place blind faith and trust in had an origin and was founded and built upon something prior. This democracy you hold so dearly to, had its origins and was built upon a previous foundation. If the original foundation was corrupt, brittle and fucked to begin with, no amount of reinforcement or structure can make it stronger or better. If you built your house on sand it will collapse, that is a fucken guarantee.

Thing is, all that shit you talk about only reenforces the need for separation of powers and the means to keep that in check. Eternal vigilance is necessary, not lame acxceptance.

[frisson]

Yep smoked you out. Please name something the last government did in their 9 years that wasn't incompetent
Both sets of fools are incompetent but Labor are generally are worse of the two sets of losers

Albo was lucky to get voted in as PM. He can't even quote the interest rate, pure incompetence and everyone knows it. Oh, what was his life experience? Party hack, and communist hack for part of his life. God help us

You can tell he has no charisma, and he lost all credibility after his referendum failure

As for the treasurer, let's see what tangible things he does regarding cost of living

[ReginaldBubbles]

The interest rate thing is a media trap. And I'd rather someone who has lived experience and actually knows how government works.

I can't repeat it enough but LNP gave away 40 BILLION dollars to companies that didn't need it. They porkbarrelled their arses off. Barnaby Joyce charged taxpayers more than half a million in costs as a drought envoy but never submitted anything apart from a few text messages. I could go on....
Tell me you read the Murdoch media without telling me you read the Murdoch media.

[GoldfishMan]

I mentioned the surplus in reference to your comment "money we don't have".

The LNP were massive fans of increased immigration and have only changed their tune now that they're in opposition. Immigration rates went up because of all the people, especially students, coming back after covid. And now Labor have announced plans to reduce immigration and crack down on dodgy student visas. You'll probably complain about that though out of self interest.

https://www.removepaywall.com/article/current

Oh yes, it's great that you brought up this point. When you can comfortably argue that "the opposition would've done the exact same thing", then what does the Labor Party stand for? What are its principles or pillars if it would just do what the other party does?

Isn't Labor pro... Well, labour? Pro the working class, screw big business. Leave the pandering to big business wishes to the LNP.

Yet here they are, bringing in record immigration, fodder for businesses to lower their wage bills. Surely you can't expect the local workforce not to be affected by doing this?

They might as well stop calling themselves Labor because they clearly do not stand for the working class.

EDIT: I didn't say "money we don't have". You got me confused with someone else.

[ReginaldBubbles]

Oh yes, it's great that you brought up this point. When you can comfortably argue that "the opposition would've done the exact same thing", then what does the Labor Party stand for? What are its principles or pillars if it would just do what the other party does?

Isn't Labor pro... Well, labour? Pro the working class, screw big business. Leave the pandering to big business wishes to the LNP.

Yet here they are, bringing in record immigration, fodder for businesses to lower their wage bills. Surely you can't expect the local workforce not to be affected by doing this?

They might as well stop calling themselves Labor because they clearly do not stand for the working class.

EDIT: I didn't say "money we don't have". You got me confused with someone else.

When did I say this? "the opposition would've done the exact same thing" I'm actually saying it was the LNP that increased immigration and now Labor is planning to reduce it after the surge back after covid. and if you want to talk about Labor standing up for the worker, they just made it illegal to pay labour hire workers less for the same job, criminalised wage theft and criminalised workplace manslaughter.

And yes you're right, someone else said "money we don't have" but it was still the reason for my bringing up a surplus. Which doesn't mean I agree we should be prioritising a surplus.

[frisson]

When did I say this? "the opposition would've done the exact same thing" I'm actually saying it was the LNP that increased immigration and now Labor is planning to reduce it after the surge back after covid. and if you want to talk about Labor standing up for the worker, they just made it illegal to pay labour hire workers less for the same job, criminalised wage theft and criminalised workplace manslaughter.

And yes you're right, someone else said "money we don't have" but it was still the reason for my bringing up a surplus. Which doesn't mean I agree we should be prioritising a surplus.

Both Labor and Liberal brought on the housing crisis, decades of sitting on hands

Finally Labor have looked at immigration so that's great. Let's make sure they do more than just tighten visa laws. Let's reduce the actual annual immigration rate by something meaningful
If we currently introduce 500 000 a year, we need that number reduced by 80%, where do all these people going to live?

[GoldfishMan]

When did I say this? "the opposition would've done the exact same thing" I'm actually saying it was the LNP that increased immigration and now Labor is planning to reduce it after the surge back after covid. and if you want to talk about Labor standing up for the worker, they just made it illegal to pay labour hire workers less for the same job, criminalised wage theft and criminalised workplace manslaughter.

And yes you're right, someone else said "money we don't have" but it was still the reason for my bringing up a surplus. Which doesn't mean I agree we should be prioritising a surplus.

OK, not directly, but by saying that the problem started with LNP and is only now being looked at by Labor after 18 months in power... What does that say?
The calls to reduce immigration have been going on long and loud since at least September 2022 yet nothing has been done about it. In fact, it was the Albanese Gov that came out and announced that we'd be getting 650k immigrants in 2023 - 2024.

When a Labor Gov does that, it doesn't feel at all like a Labor Gov. It feels just like LNP.

[Jamez11]

Immigration is needed in Australia, like all developed countries. They help fill jobs/services that most citizens/locals don’t want to do and they also help with skilled labour where there are short falls. Who’s going to fill these jobs and help drive the economy and small business growth?

I think a lot of immigration was student visa’s and Labor may of overcooked the chicken, but overseas education industry is such a cash cow it generates billions in revenue, there’s always going to be negatives and positives. Cost of living/house prices are happening all over the world, independent of who’s in power and immigration plays a part but I doubt it’s a deciding factor.

Also, how do people think a lot of the WL’s/ML’s get here? The Ginza gods teleport them here:smile:

[GoldfishMan]

Immigration is needed in Australia, like all developed countries. They help fill jobs/services that most citizens/locals don’t want to do and they also help with skilled labour where there are short falls. Who’s going to fill these jobs and help drive the economy and small business growth?

I think a lot of immigration was student visa’s and Labor may of overcooked the chicken, but overseas education industry is such a cash cow it generates billions in revenue, there’s always going to be negatives and positives. Cost of living/house prices are happening all over the world, independent of who’s in power and immigration plays a part but I doubt it’s a deciding factor.

Also, how do people think a lot of the WL’s/ML’s get here? The Ginza gods teleport them here:smile:
I do agree that O/S education is a big industry that brings a lot of money into Australia. This has always been a good thing for Australia, but at this moment it is not 100% clear. It's been warped. You have to look at the finer details.
There were policies put in place as a knee-jerk reaction to what was then perceived as an impending wage spike caused by the lack of workers.
The Gov completely removed the work-hours restriction that used to apply to O/S students and made it possible for them to work fulltime in Australia. This was in place from Jan 2022 through to July 2023.

From July 2023, an O/S student can do only 48-hours /fortnight, but this restriction is only in place when "school's in". Each Uni semester is 13 weeks, so that's only 26 weeks out of a year that an O/S "student" would be under this restriction. Outside of that, they can work like anybody else. This is a far cry from the original restriction, which was 40-hours /fortnight all year round.

Now look at the immigration numbers. From 2022 through to now, we've had 600K+ arrivals. A big proportion of these were indeed O/S students. It has been a record-breaking O/S student intake.

So, what happened in 2022 that caused this? Did Australia suddenly become the best educator in the world? People discovered that you could get a good degree here when previously they didn't? What do you think drove this mass influx of "students"?

Maybe one of my work colleagues can illustrate what's been happening. He's an Indian national and has no PR here. So, over a casual convo, he divulged that he does not have a sponsorship from our employer. And he's studying in Uni. Yet he's been working fulltime at our place for the last 1.5 years. Now he is well on his way to getting the PR because he's had the Aussie work experience needed to get it.
This is not some menial job that nobody wants to do either. He's in a well paying IT job. If you think that people would come here to "do jobs that no Aussie wants to do", all I can say is you're being too naive believing that that would happen on its own. Left to their own devices, everyone would go for better jobs.

That stretch where they allowed O/S students to work full-time in Oz is like letting the genie out of the bottle. It will have an impact on employment in this country for much longer than they think because it is not going to be so easy to get rid of them once they're in.

[Jamez11]

Immigration increased across the board, not just students. In 2022 there was a massive jump in job vacancies with not nearly enough locals being able to fill those jobs. Unemployment was at a close to 50 year low, businesses can’t grow and develop without workers, the economy can’t grow without business growth and confidence.

“The low supply of available workers has translated to almost a third (31 per cent) of businesses struggling to find suitable workers, ABS data released on Thursday indicates.
Most of these businesses attributed their struggles to applicants not having the required skills (59 per cent) and a lack of applicants (79 per cent).
The inability to find workers is also not sector-specific, with the shortage affecting every industry.”

https://www.afr.com/policy/economy/why-we-don-t-have-enough-workers-to-fill-jobs-in-4-graphs-20220621-p5avcc

[dotcumdotinyou]

Doesn't matter whether its labour or liberal, they both get into power and fuck the country up. Neither has a long term plan to fix the country, we haven't had a good liberal government since Howard and labours last good team was Hawke/Keating.

What we need in this country is a benevolent dictator with a terminal disease.

[frisson]

Let's get back to punting

Unless PM Albo returns punting prices to preCovid levels, he is gone

No excuses. No explanations

[GoldfishMan]

Doesn't matter whether its labour or liberal, they both get into power and fuck the country up. Neither has a long term plan to fix the country, we haven't had a good liberal government since Howard and labours last good team was Hawke/Keating.

What we need in this country is a benevolent dictator with a terminal disease.

Haha, or a monarch, leave it to luck. If you get a good king, you're in luck, you're set. Is democracy really better than monarchy? It boils down to a very human question. What motivates a human being to dedicate their lives to politics? For the good of all Aussies? Don't bet on it.

So democracy.... No thank you, it is prone to fall victim to human greed. What about monarchy? That's one way to solve the greed problem because what's there to greed for when you've got the entire country? The only problem is that individual. If he's a nut job, you're screwed. Lol...

[frisson]

Doesn't matter whether its labour or liberal, they both get into power and fuck the country up. Neither has a long term plan to fix the country, we haven't had a good liberal government since Howard and labours last good team was Hawke/Keating

That is absolutely correct. Anyone supporting one of the major parties has sh_t for brains. Rusted on and brain dead. Clear the swamp of the trough dwellers

We need longer term plans by competent people who are NOT reliant on being voted in every three years

[Double_Adapter]

Haha, or a monarch, leave it to luck. If you get a good king, you're in luck, you're set. Is democracy really better than monarchy? It boils down to a very human question. What motivates a human being to dedicate their lives to politics? For the good of all Aussies? Don't bet on it.

So democracy.... No thank you, it is prone to fall victim to human greed. What about monarchy? That's one way to solve the greed problem because what's there to greed for when you've got the entire country? The only problem is that individual. If he's a nut job, you're screwed. Lol...

Don't forget Oligarchy(eg Russia, Philippines etc), Theocracy (Iran, Afghanistan etc), Tyranny (North Korea etc) all equally fucked systems. Our friend Reggie has high hopes in Democracy, I highly doubt it will last and will eventually be forced down the imperialism route.

[frisson]

Don't forget Oligarchy(eg Russia, Philippines etc), Theocracy (Iran, Afghanistan etc), Tyranny (North Korea etc) all equally fucked systems. Our friend Reggie has high hopes in Democracy, I highly doubt it will last and will eventually be forced down the imperialism route.

Monarchy without a Parliament ultimately leads to a group of privileged people that the Royalty relies upon. The stratified society this creates (the king allows some members of the public to be called Lords and Barons), and the fact that the kings family invariably steals public money for their own wealth, makes monarchy a poor alternative to democracy

[ReginaldBubbles]

That is absolutely correct. Anyone supporting one of the major parties has sh_t for brains. Rusted on and brain dead. Clear the swamp of the trough dwellers

We need longer term plans by competent people who are NOT reliant on being voted in every three years

Good plan. Love the detail. Very Trumpian. Definitely no shit in your brain.

[Double_Adapter]

Monarchy without a Parliament ultimately leads to a group of privileged people that the Royalty relies upon. The stratified society and the kings family invariably stealing money for their own wealth, makes monarchy a poor alternative to democracy

I'd partially agree with that, when you look at the UK Lizzy had it down pat, she knew and played her role very well, now that she's gone Charlie is torn between what mummy taught him and what Camilla says. As for Will he has potential but watch this space. But as for the red head simp he's been pussy whipped by the black chick (reminds me of JJ in some ways). All the other royals are a waste of space.

[frisson]

The losers who thought it was a great idea to parade all their dirty laundry in this very public show trial, don't realise that the lawyers, like vultures at a carcass, earn more the longer this trial lasts. $35 million is not an unexpected cost on each side, by the time this court case finished

Even though thankfully the taxpayer isn't funding it, it's still an unedifying spectacle

[todawac]

Eh, is this thread still going? And how did it suddenly deviate towards discussion of royalty and dictatorships?

I used to think the type of dictatorship presented by Putin's Russia pre-2022 is ideal because he stands up against the West. You'd have to agree with his point where the West are increasingly bullying countries not affiliated to it. But the problem his oligarchy introduced is the issue where some regions are poorer than the rest, and it's not even comparable to the community of Alice Springs where the local Indigenous people just don't want to live in a developed city. For example, Chechnya could've been a centre for many industrial development but Putin is afraid that making the population rich would make them gain access to weapons easy and start another Chechen rebellion.

There's no perfect government, but the best is one who keeps their promises to voters obviously.

[ReginaldBubbles]

Eh, is this thread still going? And how did it suddenly deviate towards discussion of royalty and dictatorships?

I used to think the type of dictatorship presented by Putin's Russia pre-2022 is ideal because he stands up against the West. You'd have to agree with his point where the West are increasingly bullying countries not affiliated to it. But the problem his oligarchy introduced is the issue where some regions are poorer than the rest, and it's not even comparable to the community of Alice Springs where the local Indigenous people just don't want to live in a developed city. For example, Chechnya could've been a centre for many industrial development but Putin is afraid that making the population rich would make them gain access to weapons easy and start another Chechen rebellion.

There's no perfect government, but the best is one who keeps their promises to voters obviously.

There's also the problem that Putin kills whoever seems to be a threat or disagrees with him, is totally corrupt and has embezzled to the point where he's possibly the richest person in the world and is also a total amoral psychopath.

[ReginaldBubbles]

Eh, is this thread still going? And how did it suddenly deviate towards discussion of royalty and dictatorships?

I used to think the type of dictatorship presented by Putin's Russia pre-2022 is ideal because he stands up against the West. You'd have to agree with his point where the West are increasingly bullying countries not affiliated to it. But the problem his oligarchy introduced is the issue where some regions are poorer than the rest, and it's not even comparable to the community of Alice Springs where the local Indigenous people just don't want to live in a developed city. For example, Chechnya could've been a centre for many industrial development but Putin is afraid that making the population rich would make them gain access to weapons easy and start another Chechen rebellion.

There's no perfect government, but the best is one who keeps their promises to voters obviously.

Oh shit, Vinnie! I totally fell for it!

[Double_Adapter]

There's also the problem that Putin kills whoever seems to be a threat or disagrees with him, is totally corrupt and has embezzled to the point where he's possibly the richest person in the world and is also a total amoral psychopath.

The Vatican is by far the richest organism/entity/organisation/state in the world. It has artefacts and riches that money just couldn't buy. Is it corrupt? Fuck yeah and so is every other religion and government around the world.

[todawac]

The Vatican is by far the richest organism/entity/organisation/state in the world. It has artefacts and riches that money just couldn't buy. Is it corrupt? Fuck yeah and so is every other religion and government around the world.

They've existed since the mediaeval times under different names and orders. Once upon a time they tried bringing all the Central Asian nomadic kingdoms under them by converting all of them to Christianity.

If you really want to live in a place where there's no corruption, go to Atlantis. You'd die either by drowning or be crushed by massive undersea pressure, and get eaten by seafloor critters.

[todawac]

Oh shit, Vinnie! I totally fell for it!

You miss quarreling with yourself, don't you? Go ahead and create a Vincent999 account then. I bet it's a hassle trying to maintain a personality like that.

[ReginaldBubbles]

You miss quarreling with yourself, don't you? Go ahead and create a Vincent999 account then. I bet it's a hassle trying to maintain a personality like that.

I miss your gaslighting Vinnie!

[Double_Adapter]

They've existed since the mediaeval times under different names and orders. Once upon a time they tried bringing all the Central Asian nomadic kingdoms under them by converting all of them to Christianity.



Wouldn't surprise me, in esoteric circles it is often said the Roman Catholics created Islam in order to drive out its occupants and take control of Jerusalem. No different from the way the US has seized control of various Middle East, African, and Central/South American countries. Establish a regime, educate, train and put in place a dictator/tyrannical leader/general to fight your battles and drive out the opposition. The problem is that once these dictators, generals get power, money and control they often turn on and bite the hand that feeds them. History repeating itself over and over again.

[todawac]

Religion back in the days were used by monarchies as a way to establish alliances, combined with marrying off their young princesses to an old king who can't even get hard anymore to seal some sort of treaty. Monarchy benefits the male members but not the female members.

The problem with republican democracies though, is that successful politicians are those with early life influence - USyd debate student majoring in political science, lives in Double Bay or the Eastern suburbs and moves out west to "usurp" seats and tell locals that he's a local only because he changed his address on his driver's licence.

Most get into politics for the benefit of landing a bigger role right after serving their terms. Like the John Barilaro scandal where the NSW govt under Gladys removed the woman who was right for the job only to install Mr Barilaro for that New York job. He wasn't even in the shortlist for successful candidates.

[Almac12]

Wouldn't rape her then?

Trust you degenerates to turn a rape case into commenting on how hot the witnesses are. That's the only value women have to you.
Except maybe your mums and daughters and then you're probably, "How dare you comment on them!" It's a defamation case... Bruce is an innocent man according to the law, that's how it works, innocent until proven guilty, and with that fact network 10 and Wilkinson a done and dusted

[Double_Adapter]

Religion back in the days were used by monarchies as a way to establish alliances, combined with marrying off their young princesses to an old king who can't even get hard anymore to seal some sort of treaty. Monarchy benefits the male members but not the female members.

The problem with republican democracies though, is that successful politicians are those with early life influence - USyd debate student majoring in political science, lives in Double Bay or the Eastern suburbs and moves out west to "usurp" seats and tell locals that he's a local only because he changed his address on his driver's licence.

Most get into politics for the benefit of landing a bigger role right after serving their terms. Like the John Barilaro scandal where the NSW govt under Gladys removed the woman who was right for the job only to install Mr Barilaro for that New York job. He wasn't even in the shortlist for successful candidates.

Theocracy came first and was well before monarchy. No one is born noble, with a title nor do they have blue blood. Theocracy was created to maintain social order and keep the primates in check. At some point the primitives rebelled and demanded a king rule over them and that's how monarchy came about. As for Prince Harry the only blood he's got is beta simp blood.

[Double_Adapter]

Theocracy came first and was well before monarchy. No one is born noble, with a title nor do they have blue blood. Theocracy was created to maintain social order and keep the primates in check. At some point the primitives rebelled and demanded a king rule over them and that's how monarchy came about. As for Prince Harry the only blood he's got is beta simp blood.

Then the kings became lazy, horny, jaded, complacent, greedy, useless (refer to the French, Spanish etc monarchies). The primitives complained once again and demanded the elites, the rich, the intelligent and the upper social class rule over them and that's how aristocracy and oligarcchy came about. The whingeing, moaning, and restlessness continued until someone came up with the idea of a revolution to bring in democracy ie let the primitives decide who will govern over them. Recently the ozzie primitives decided Albo was the man to rule over them and what a fucked up decision that was. Can't wait till imperialism kicks in (that'll be a popcorn worthy show) but Cest la Vie.

[begov94]

Then the kings became lazy, horny, jaded, complacent, greedy, useless (refer to the French, Spanish etc monarchies). The primitives complained once again and demanded the elites, the rich, the intelligent and the upper social class rule over them and that's how aristocracy and oligarcchy came about. The whingeing, moaning, and restlessness continued until someone came up with the idea of a revolution to bring in democracy ie let the primitives decide who will govern over them. Recently the ozzie primitives decided Albo was the man to rule over them and what a fucked up decision that was. Can't wait till imperialism kicks in (that'll be a popcorn worthy show) but Cest la Vie.

This is the reason why many historians theorised that civilisation comes to an end once they get too used to peace. Korea barely defended itself from Japanese invasion because they were too scholastic, all the previous Chinese dynasties fell because people would rather be ministers than generals, the ancient Egyptians, Babylonians etc, you name it.

[begov94]

Then the kings became lazy, horny, jaded, complacent, greedy, useless (refer to the French, Spanish etc monarchies). The primitives complained once again and demanded the elites, the rich, the intelligent and the upper social class rule over them and that's how aristocracy and oligarcchy came about. The whingeing, moaning, and restlessness continued until someone came up with the idea of a revolution to bring in democracy ie let the primitives decide who will govern over them. Recently the ozzie primitives decided Albo was the man to rule over them and what a fucked up decision that was. Can't wait till imperialism kicks in (that'll be a popcorn worthy show) but Cest la Vie.

Whoever wrote this is probably just jealous of royalty. There's nothing to be proud of if you're born either as part of the ruling family or the branches that may never sit on the throne for the next generations to come. I've met many royal relatives of remaining Southeast Asian ruling families and they're a mix bag of people like everyone else - some are still rich while the rest are poor even though they have interesting "titles" on their legal names. What matters is what you do for the people who look up to you - like Princess Maha Chakri Sirindhorn of Thailand. She's the sister to the current King Vajiralongkorn, and you don't see her on the media too many times because the media just isn't interested in a public person's good deeds as it doesn't sell advertisement space like a royal who's been caught in a scandal.

By the way, whoever it is that goes around banning people without valid reasons should also know that the SSL crap on this forum is causing errors in advert display. Maybe that should make someone think about the dwindling ad revenue and the cost of running clickbots that makes the forum traffic really suspicious as the number of visitors are practically the same every single day.

[ReginaldBubbles]

It's a defamation case... Bruce is an innocent man according to the law, that's how it works, innocent until proven guilty, and with that fact network 10 and Wilkinson a done and dusted

Yes it's a defamation case. Which means Bruce's lawyers have to prove that people knew who the project was talking about even though they didn't name him. If they can do that then it's up to channel 10 to prove it's probable that he did rape her (rather than beyond reasonable doubt as required in a criminal trial). Not unlike the Bruce Roberts-smith case. Look how that went for him. We'll see how this goes I guess.

[ReginaldBubbles]

It's a defamation case... Bruce is an innocent man according to the law, that's how it works, innocent until proven guilty, and with that fact network 10 and Wilkinson a done and dusted

Vinnie? I'm getting paranoid now!

[Sydneymanabouttown]

Not talking about the case itself.

Is it just me or is there like, so many hot women involved in the case??
A few days ago, there was an ex-colleague named Lauren Gains who testified. She's quite nice...

Today, the security guard testified and holy smokes, she looks like a porn star! Check it out, Miss Nikola Anderson (scroll down to see her pics):
https://www.news.com.au/national/nsw-act/courts-law/bruce-lehrmann-defamation-suit-against-network-10-and-lisa-wilkinson-live-coverage/news-story/fb15c2f741659a5a6c26aa333682993d

Wtf is going on??

Brittanys mum is the star of the show...google kelly higgins

[JSteel96]

See Brittany has fled to her new house in France with her boyfriend and 2.7 million dollars she was in it all along for the money and her two minutes of fame to bad for Bruce his life ruined over it.

[rooter]

How is it possible to defame Bruce Lehmann? Whatever insult you throw at him is a compliment. LOL
I dunno what happened on that night. Nobody does. The only people who know are Brittney and Bruce and they were both probably too drunk to clearly remember anyway.

[JSteel96]

You would not want to be a politician, actor or anyone famous with money these days. They all get done by historic sex claims.

[rooter]

You would not want to be a politician, actor or anyone famous with money these days. They all get done by historic sex claims.

Probably because they have got away with it all these years because of their positions of privilege and power.
I would not feel sorry fot them. The only injustice is that they got away with it for so long.

[personaa]

The love birds are in France to their property she bought for 600k and taxpayers funded their multiple overseas trip to Maldives, Geneva and Paris over the last 12 months. She can't work in Australia so good decision to move to Europe as she was volunteering for UN for a while. Next time you hear her name she might be decorated with a title at UN HQ in Geneva.

[frisson]

See Brittany has fled to her new house in France with her boyfriend and 2.7 million dollars she was in it all along for the money and her two minutes of fame to bad for Bruce his life ruined over it.
Hang on. A French property? Who paid for that?

[andrewv]

we have not heard the last of Higgins yet..... she might lose the defamation case: https://www.smh.com.au/national/western-australia/reynolds-lawyers-ready-freezing-orders-as-higgins-sharaz-move-to-france-20231220-p5estg.html

Reynolds’ lawyers ready freezing orders as Higgins, Sharaz move to France
WA Liberal senator Linda Reynolds’ lawyers are set to pursue freezing orders in the defamation suit against her former staffer Brittany Higgins amid reports she and partner David Sharaz have left the country bound for Europe.

The former defence minister is demanding Higgins and former press gallery journalist Sharaz fork out damages, as well as aggravated damages, over several social media posts she claims were defamatory of her.

[frisson]

Yes it's a defamation case. Which means Bruce's lawyers have to prove that people knew who the project was talking about even though they didn't name him. If they can do that then it's up to channel 10 to prove it's probable that he did rape her (rather than beyond reasonable doubt as required in a criminal trial). Not unlike the Bruce Roberts-smith case. Look how that went for him. We'll see how this goes I guess.

There is almost no actual evidence to make a case about rape. No DNA evidence. One person's word against another. I'm not even sure there is evidence that sex took place, as the lady didn't go to the police/hospital
Noone knows what actually happened

So seriously, this defamation case relies on the defence team proving that rape was likely?
What a waste of time and money
There are no winners here apart from the lawyers. Wait until it is announced just how much the lawyers will ask for in court costs

[JSteel96]

Hang on. A French property? Who paid for that?

It was on the news they stated she's gone to a new property in France with a fiancee and a near 3 million. Probably some sports cars to.

[frisson]

It was on the news they stated she's gone to a new property in France with a fiancee and a near 3 million. Probably some sports cars to.
$600 000 for the property? Much cheaper than Sydney

As a taxpayer who presumably contributed for this, am I entitled to rent share maybe 1 day a year there?

[ReginaldBubbles]

There is almost no actual evidence to make a case about rape. No DNA evidence. One person's word against another. I'm not even sure there is evidence that sex took place, as the lady didn't go to the police/hospital
Noone knows what actually happened

So seriously, this defamation case relies on the defence team proving that rape was likely?
What a waste of time and money
There are no winners here apart from the lawyers. Wait until it is announced just how much the lawyers will ask for in court costs

Well it was Lehrmann who sued channel 10 and Lisa Wilkinson so no one needs to be selectively outraged about their precious taxpayer dollars.
Dudes are so made that a woman claimed she was raped, makes me wonder why.

[andrewv]

Well it was Lehrmann who sued channel 10 and Lisa Wilkinson so no one needs to be selectively outraged about their precious taxpayer dollars.
Dudes are so made that a woman claimed she was raped, makes me wonder why.

If a woman claims to have been raped, then it is up to the legal system to deal with the alleged rapist. The real issue is the huge compensation amount (north of $2,000,000).
Keep in mind that most victims of other crimes and accidents do not end up getting anywhere this amount.

For example, if someone loses their eyesight, or an arm or a leg, they would not get this kind of money. I am aware that her compensation relates to the Commonwealth's failure in its "duty of care". Not relating to having had an unwelcome "penis in her vagina" [the expression she used in the witness box a couple of weeks ago during the defamation trials].

[Double_Adapter]

This story makes JJ, Begov94 and the other aliases look like a cheap pantomime.

Anyway, the other politician ie Linda Reynolds has now put a freezing order on the fat narcissist that could prevent her from shifting any of the assets to France etc at least until the case has been finalised by the court.

What a cluster fuck!

[Keeping Up]

Reynolds is an imbecile. You can’t freeze assets unless they were illegally gained. This payment was signed off at the highest levels of Govt. Higgin’s lawyers were on the front foot from the moment Morrison apologised to her in the House of Reps for the ordeal she went through. No way back after that.

Same people jumping up and down over this were silent when the LNP bought a property off their donors for ten times market value. As if a few paper bags didn’t go the other way on this corrupt deal.

[ReginaldBubbles]

Anyway, the other politician ie Linda Reynolds has now put a freezing order on the fat narcissist that could prevent her from shifting any of the assets to France etc at least until the case has been finalised by the court.


She did? With what power?

Higgins got 2.4 million because the government admitted it breached it's duty of care in the workplace. Why you so mad? Do you think that's what caused the cost of living crisis? People get workplace settlements like this all the time, this one just happens to be very public.
Dude's are so mad though for some reason.

[fud]

She did? With what power?

Higgins got 2.4 million because the government admitted it breached it's duty of care in the workplace. Why you so mad? Do you think that's what caused the cost of living crisis? People get workplace settlements like this all the time, this one just happens to be very public.
Dude's are so mad though for some reason.

A considered summation on this saga that's drawing to a close.
https://theshot.net.au/news/general-news/did-the-morrison-government-cover-up-an-alleged-in-house-rape/

Remember Robodebt? Morrison & his LNP govt. were capable of cover-ups, so this is no surprise

[GoldfishMan]

She did? With what power?

Higgins got 2.4 million because the government admitted it breached it's duty of care in the workplace. Why you so mad? Do you think that's what caused the cost of living crisis? People get workplace settlements like this all the time, this one just happens to be very public.
Dude's are so mad though for some reason.

People are mad because there is clearly a disconnect between the perceived "damage" and the payment amount.

You are correct, these types of settlements are often made in workplace disputes.
And I would say, people would also get mad at those if they were made public.

In other words, people are not singling out Higgins just because she's Higgins or because she's a woman. It is simply the overall feeling of undeserved benefit that the person in question is getting.

[rooter]

if you think damages awarded in Australia are big, then have a look at the USA.
Two poll clerks who Rudolph Giuliani accused of rigging the US Presidential election sued for defamation and were awarded US$148 Million in damages - that's around AUD$220 Million!

[Double_Adapter]

What was the final outcome from the expert 'lip reader' they brought in?
This place has an abundance of lip readers.

[AHLUNGOR]

Saw some footage from the bar on the night of the incident. She was wearing a low cut white singlet top. Much slimmer than now and very busty.

All I want to say is that she was very fuckable on that look. But of course, rape is totally unacceptable and a crime .

[begov94]

Dude's are so mad though for some reason.

Going out of character is the reason why.

[fud]

What was the final outcome from the expert 'lip reader' they brought in?
This place has an abundance of lip readers.

This is some of the lip reader, Tim Reedy's report. He's profoundly deaf since birth apparently

107724

[Ziggurat]

I am aware that her compensation relates to the Commonwealth's failure in its "duty of care".

Well no actually, in the contract the two million plus dollars was given without any admission of liability by the goverment of any failures whatsoever.

The turkey Morrison getting up in parliament and apologising like it was rock solid fact, because it was on The Project, as someone else here pointed out, had her lawyers rubbing their hands together in glee. That is all that achieved.

It is off topic, but another huge goof he made was instead of any other nation, including the US, putting his dopey scone above the trenches, big noting himself shouting for a coronavirus origins enquiry. That cost Australia 20 billion in trade with China - for what? To big note himself?

[Jamez11]

This is some of the lip reader, Tim Reedy's report. He's profoundly deaf since birth apparently

107724


It is estimated that only 30% to 40% of speech sounds can be lip-read even under the best conditions and extra information is usually required to understand what is being said.

https://www.ndcs.org.uk/information-and-support/language-and-communication/spoken-language/supporting-speaking-and-listening/lip-reading/#:~:text=It%20is%20estimated%20that%20only,underst and%20what%20is%20being%20said.

[rooter]

It is estimated that only 30% to 40% of speech sounds can be lip-read even under the best conditions and extra information is usually required to understand what is being said.

https://www.ndcs.org.uk/information-and-support/language-and-communication/spoken-language/supporting-speaking-and-listening/lip-reading/#:~:text=It%20is%20estimated%20that%20only,underst and%20what%20is%20being%20said.

Lip reading is fucken voodoo :)
They may as well bring in a Tarot Card reader and Palm reader :)

[frisson]

I like the narrative that the man went back to the office at 1am in the morning with an attractive drunk lady, to do some office work. So dedicated, that he didn't bother taking the poor lady home safely first. His work was just that important

His gf was ringing him and he didn't answer, it's in the Court transcripts, because he had to do paperwork

Not saying it's true or false, just that it reflects a great work ethic

[frisson]

Lip reading is fucken voodoo :)
They may as well bring in a Tarot Card reader and Palm reader :)
Mate. The court case needed 3 lip readers

Some many people testifying and talking through the sides of their mouths

[kingwally]

I like the narrative that the man went back to the office at 1am in the morning with an attractive drunk lady, to do some office work. So dedicated, that he didn't bother taking the poor lady home safely first. His work was just that important

His gf was ringing him and he didn't answer, it's in the Court transcripts, because he had to do paperwork

Not saying it's true or false, just that it reflects a great work ethicMaybe she had to do paperwork as well and they decided to share a cab

[frisson]

Maybe she had to do paperwork as well and they decided to share a cab

Yes. 10 vodkas later and the typical woman is thinking of going back into the office to do office work. I call BS on that

[personaa]

That's exactly the part I don't get, Why an intoxicated persn after having 10 shots had to go inside the building and then the ministerial office? Bruce had to get his keys or whatever she could have clearly waited outside or in the Uber.

[frisson]

That's exactly the part I don't get, Why an intoxicated persn after having 10 shots had to go inside the building and then the ministerial office? Bruce had to get his keys or whatever she could have clearly waited outside or in the Uber.

Bruce had to get his keys, something that takes less than 5 minutes?

So he had to bring a very drunk Brittany in to the office with her ? A drunk lady that he had paid to get drunk

I call BS on that too

He also had to drink Whisky and do paperwork according to court transcripts

[frisson]

I don't understand the basis of the claim that the taxpayer was liable for what happened to Brittany and paid her over $2 million
What does the taxpayer have to do with funding her paymemt of a French house??

[kingwally]

Bruce had to get his keys, something that takes less than 5 minutes?

So he had to bring a very drunk Brittany in to the office with her ? A drunk lady that he had paid to get drunk

I call BS on that too

He also had to drink Whisky and do paperwork according to court transcripts
Very drunk??? She was walking thru security OK...if she was "very drunk" she would have been staggering.

[GoldfishMan]

Very drunk??? She was walking thru security OK...if she was "very drunk" she would have been staggering.

Yeah, I honestly don't know where this perception of them being drunk came from. Both of them didn't look like they were drunk. And where's the proof that they drank a lot of alcohol?
I mean, Bruce was even getting his car keys. How can he drive if he was drunk?

[frisson]

Yeah, I honestly don't know where this perception of them being drunk came from. Both of them didn't look like they were drunk. And where's the proof that they drank a lot of alcohol?
I mean, Bruce was even getting his car keys. How can he drive if he was drunk?
You can walk with a very high blood alcohol. But the problem is more obvious when you try to do something more complex like drive a car
The CCTV shows Brittany was bought a large number of vodkas. She states she vomited in her bosses office, she was very drunk

[rooter]

It's pretty obvious that Bruce was trying the oldest trick in the book - get a girl drunk and then take advantage of her.
This has been going on in every bar and party in the world forever.
Whether he did fuck her or whether she consented we will never know for sure.

[frisson]

It's pretty obvious that Bruce was trying the oldest trick in the book - get a girl drunk and then take advantage of her.
This has been going on in every bar and party in the world forever.
Whether he did fuck her or whether she consented we will never know for sure.
Absolutely
This is also what I have been implying
Funny how there are people who can suggest there was a legitimate cause for the events of that night
At 1am, on a Friday night, after a night on the drink, absolutely zero people are thinking about returning to work to complete work related activities in their place of employment

Work can be done the next morning or Sunday, makes absolutely no sense

[AHLUNGOR]

It's pretty obvious that Bruce was trying the oldest trick in the book - get a girl drunk and then take advantage of her.
This has been going on in every bar and party in the world forever.
Whether he did fuck her or whether she consented we will never know for sure.

Well said brother rooter,

I might just add one point, to me, this Bruce guy is just cheap, if he would have taken the girl to a hotel room and did it in style, we would have heard none of this . Back to the office and fuck on a couch, it’s basically a freebie , no wonder the girl felt violated afterwards.

Or did anything even happened? Only the two people involved would know !

Bring more popcorn 🍿?

[Percy1]

Will we ever get to find the full story out

[kingwally]

Well said brother rooter,

I might just add one point, to me, this Bruce guy is just cheap, if he would have taken the girl to a hotel room and did it in style, we would have heard none of this . Back to the office and fuck on a couch, it’s basically a freebie , no wonder the girl felt violated afterwards.

Or did anything even happened? Only the two people involved would know !

Bring more popcorn ��?

Maybe it was her idea for fucking. Possible scenario...in the office, she takes off her dress, she says to him "fuck me"...he says no...she feels rejected. If you have ever rejected a woman, you will know that you will never get to fuck her in the future and she will do anything to get back at you. It is highly embarassing to a woman to get sexually rejected. After all she was found naked in the office, she wore the dress on multiple occasions after the alleged rape. Wouldn't you think that she would never wear that dress again if she was traumatised by the alleged rape,?

[ReginaldBubbles]

Maybe it was her idea for fucking. Possible scenario...in the office, she takes off her dress, she says to him "fuck me"...he says no...she feels rejected. If you have ever rejected a woman, you will know that you will never get to fuck her in the future and she will do anything to get back at you. It is highly embarassing to a woman to get sexually rejected. After all she was found naked in the office, she wore the dress on multiple occasions after the alleged rape. Wouldn't you think that she would never wear that dress again if she was traumatised by the alleged rape,?

Oh for fucks sake.

[fted]

There's still the Toowoomba case going through the courts as well. Where there's smoke, and all that.

[personaa]

Both parties are deliberately hiding some facts in their stories, we would never know what actually happened that night, but the story about getting to office at 1 am for paperwork doesn't make sense and why on earth she has to follow him! There are many flaws in their stories. The girl claims that her phone was wiped but then suddenly she finds a photo and when questioned about it she says I'm not good with technology, I don't know how I managed to get this photo. She didn't even bother to get medical check after that night and she says I didn't know or something similar. Bruce also claimed nothing sexual happened between them but he was seen kissing the girl in pub (Testimony by Lauren).

According to my lawyer friend, the court is not about the truth , but about who tells a better story. I don't see a good story at either sides

[carmen farquis]

Maybe it was her idea for fucking. Possible scenario...in the office, she takes off her dress, she says to him "fuck me"...he says no...she feels rejected. If you have ever rejected a woman, you will know that you will never get to fuck her in the future and she will do anything to get back at you. It is highly embarassing to a woman to get sexually rejected. After all she was found naked in the office, she wore the dress on multiple occasions after the alleged rape. Wouldn't you think that she would never wear that dress again if she was traumatised by the alleged rape,?

Something similar happened to a guy from my area. He went to jail ,lost his wife and kids, got stabbed and assaulted multiple times and whatever else happens in jail then 1 night she got drunk and admitted to her friends that it was all a lie so her friends went and told the cops.

She got a 12 month good behaviour bond.

[ReginaldBubbles]

I reckon bitches should just accept they’re gonna get raped a few times in their life. It’s too difficult to prove in court and they might be just lying out of spite to get revenge on a good honest guy.
Might as well decriminalise rape actually.

[rooter]

I reckon bitches should just accept they’re gonna get raped a few times in their life. It’s too difficult to prove in court and they might be just lying out of spite to get revenge on a good honest guy.
Might as well decriminalise rape actually.

Amen to that brother! Yee hah!

[Ziggurat]

I don't understand the basis of the claim that the taxpayer was liable for what happened to Brittany and paid her over $2 million
What does the taxpayer have to do with funding her paymemt of a French house??

All this speculation about the tawdry drunken sex affair is merely trivial gossip.

The only thing that concerns me is the 2.4 taxpayer million handed over in a flash without any of the usual timelines, procedures and safeguards. It stinks. The new Federal corruption watchdog had better investigate it, provided it has teeth - or why does it exist. If they do it properly I see sackings and refunds of monies coming.

[Jamez11]

I reckon bitches should just accept they’re gonna get raped a few times in their life. It’s too difficult to prove in court and they might be just lying out of spite to get revenge on a good honest guy.
Might as well decriminalise rape actually.

Na, better to just get rid of the entire judicial system altogether. No man, woman or child deserve the basic right of assumption of innocence… unless they happen to be in the same political side as you of course.

[frisson]

All this speculation about the tawdry drunken sex affair is merely trivial gossip.

The only thing that concerns me is the 2.4 taxpayer million handed over in a flash without any of the usual timelines, procedures and safeguards. It stinks. The new Federal corruption watchdog had better investigate it, provided it has teeth - or why does it exist. If they do it properly I see sackings and refunds of monies coming.

Bro. Thank you. I have been stating this repeatedly. How on earth does the taxpayer foot the bill for this lady to buy a house in France? The politicians know 1 million ways to steal money from the poor taxpayer
This $2.4 million payout is the only public interest aspect to this whole story

I agree let's continue to clean up that Canberra bubble

1. National Corruption Commission with teeth

2. Illegal for political party donations to exist

3. Reduce the number of managers and consultants. Regain the governments expertise in running the country and not outsourcing it

4. Create a new public bank that can provide home loans and insurance policies for the general public

[personaa]

Something similar happened to a guy from my area. He went to jail ,lost his wife and kids, got stabbed and assaulted multiple times and whatever else happens in jail then 1 night she got drunk and admitted to her friends that it was all a lie so her friends went and told the cops.

She got a 12 month good behaviour bond.

Disgusting bitch. Ruined a guy's life and probably he has been in the news all over , even if he is clear of all charges he has to establish himself again in the society. He should have received a big fat check for the time he had been inside and she is on 12 months good behaviour . My ass.

[personaa]

No 5. Ban foreigners buying property in Australia unless their country of origin allows Australians do the same there.

[begov94]

1. National Corruption Commission with teeth

2. Illegal for political party donations to exist

3. Reduce the number of managers and consultants. Regain the governments expertise in running the country and not outsourcing it

4. Create a new public bank that can provide home loans and insurance policies for the general public

Number 1 isn't going to happen. Not when the country is run by the two major parties.
Number 2, same reason for Number 1.
Number 3 is like stirring the hornet's nest. They'll make your life living hell through their connections - if your workplace are connected to their cronies you can expect getting harassed every day to the point you quit your job and no chance of continuing your career in another business as they're likely connected. Go get a new degree or start a career as a council gardener.
Number 4 isn't going to happen. Public banks only exist in communist countries these days.

[ReginaldBubbles]

Bro. Thank you. I have been stating this repeatedly. How on earth does the taxpayer foot the bill for this lady to buy a house in France? The politicians know 1 million ways to steal money from the poor taxpayer
This $2.4 million payout is the only public interest aspect to this whole story

I agree let's continue to clean up that Canberra bubble

1. National Corruption Commission with teeth

2. Illegal for political party donations to exist

3. Reduce the number of managers and consultants. Regain the governments expertise in running the country and not outsourcing it

4. Create a new public bank that can provide home loans and insurance policies for the general public

Agree with all four.

Nothing to do with Brittany Higgins though. She probably got raped while she was drunk. Workplace tried to cover it up. She got some money. Not that much really in the scheme of things. But dudes are super mad. There's waaaaaaay bigger stuff to get mad about what your taxpayer dollars get spent on.

[frisson]

Agree with all four.

Nothing to do with Brittany Higgins though. She probably got raped while she was drunk. Workplace tried to cover it up. She got some money. Not that much really in the scheme of things. But dudes are super mad. There's waaaaaaay bigger stuff to get mad about what your taxpayer dollars get spent on.
Even cent of taxpayer money waste is important to me, because it shows the population yet another loophole that can be exploited over and over by fat bureaucrats from both sides

Brittany looked so eager to walk back into her office at 1am in the morning. She was definitely drunk, but able to walk. What was her motive to follow the guy - who had just spent the evening getting her very drunk with vodka purchase after vodka purchase, and who had a girlfriend?

I will never ever believe she went back to do work at 1am.
Noone in the Canberra bubble cares that much about their constituents

I wish her all the best. She did far better than the other 99/100 women who allege sexual assault. Why? Because she had friends in high places

I also don't understand how you can write and publish a book about this event, when the man hasn't been convicted!

[ReginaldBubbles]

Even cent of taxpayer money waste is important to me, because it shows the population yet another loophole that can be exploited over and over by fat bureaucrats from both sides

Brittany looked so eager to walk back into her office at 1am in the morning. She was definitely drunk, but able to walk. What was her motive to follow the guy - who had just sent the evening getting her very drunk with vodka purchase after vodka purchase, and who had a girlfriend?

I will never ever believe she went back to do work at 1am.
Noone in the Canberra bubble cares that much about their constituents

I wish her all the best. She did far better than the other 99/100 women who allege sexual assault. Why? Because she had friends in high places

I also don't understand how you can write and publish a book about this event, when the man hasn't been convicted!

She hasn’t written and published a book and most likely won’t.

[xapoya]

From my observation it seems that both parties are untrustworthy. It's like both of them are crooks trying to get at each other, and the judge just couldn't believe them both.

Bruce was definitely trying to get laid using any means necessary, Brittany saw that and was taking advantage of the situation by removing her knickers before getting on that Uber ride. As a 'rapist' and coworker I don't think Bruce would've been sloppy and leave her naked in the office after the deed. Brittany must've been aware all the time pretending to be dead drunk, and after Bruce left she took her clothes off and was waiting to be discovered so that she can start the drama.

Bruce is a repeat offender as he's got a similar case ongoing in QLD. Brittany on the other hand is just your typical Aussie girl who wants to get rich quick by rorting the system.

[frisson]

From my observation it seems that both parties are untrustworthy. It's like both of them are crooks trying to get at each other, and the judge just couldn't believe them both.

Bruce was definitely trying to get laid using any means necessary, Brittany saw that and was taking advantage of the situation by removing her knickers before getting on that Uber ride. As a 'rapist' and coworker I don't think Bruce would've been sloppy and leave her naked in the office after the deed. Brittany must've been aware all the time pretending to be dead drunk, and after Bruce left she took her clothes off and was waiting to be discovered so that she can start the drama.

Bruce is a repeat offender as he's got a similar case ongoing in QLD. Brittany on the other hand is just your typical Aussie girl who wants to get rich quick by rorting the system.

There is a lot of common sense here. The lady gave a graphic story of the man lying on top of her, so at some point the event upset her.
Anyway let's see the legal costs, they will be massive and will completely blow away in size the $2.4 million Brittany hacked away from innocent but long suffering taxpayers

Looking forward to see who gets left to pay the lawyers costs. I'd rather have half my body inside a crocodile rather than face a lawyers bill after such a waste of time show trial

[Punter_Joe]

Yep Labor gave our tax payer money on the untested claim made by Higgins that she won’t be able to work for 40 fucken years! Meanwhile she had a book deal worth 300 thousand dollars before the trial even began. God knows how much speaking engagements and me too rallies she’s been paid for since. How can you look at what she got paid for, using our tax money and think it’s reasonable for nothing more than an allegation?

Yeah these kind of deals made in court really should have tax related conditions. Like be based on the career path and prospects before the issue, give payout but if deals come out from the case receive a tax deficit, allow time averaging because sure you make 2 mill in a year you'll be paying tax anyway on that but if deals go away after a few years but your reputation is ruined to the point of unhirable sure keep what's left of the payout but if you land another position equivalent to your original career path then you receive a debt like hecs that you pay back over time. It's not as swift as judgement as the public may like but it'll be more effective and an actual cash flow back to the tax payer. Another condition would be you'd have to be trying, if you retire from it that time wouldn't count towards the averaging.

[cn6666]

How many soldiers who lost their lives or permanent serious injury got similar compensation?

[frisson]

How many soldiers who lost their lives or permanent serious injury got similar compensation?

Bro, nothing is real in the Canberra bubble. Every single person of working age in Canberra directly or indirectly profits from the proceeds of political life. Most career political types aren't restrained by the reality of where the money comes from, they just get very good at hooking in for their share. It's a sad fact that most people don't want to work, they look for shortcuts to get a nice little paypacket escape out of the full-time job trap

Noone on this thread has yet explained how a women gets paid $2.4 million of taxpayers money for a crime that was never proven in a court of law

Sounds like hush money to shut her up

[Soccerfan]

What gets me after watching this case, is that these people are no more than kids with no real world experience, but they have power and they probably went to private schools and they are instrumental in forming policy that directly affects us. The systems fucked.

[frisson]

What gets me after watching this case, is that these people are no more than kids with no real world experience, but they have power and they probably went to private schools and they are instrumental in forming policy that directly affects us. The systems fucked.

100%. Most of these people have zero real world appreciation of the consequences of bad leadership and yet are placed on leadership roles in our political system. 90% of them fall into the stereotype of Talking Points and narratives, and crushing over public benefit

Let's look at NSW. The Rozelle interchange fiasco created by the Liberal Party was known about by the politicians 6-12 months before the Westconnex opened. Did they think to tell the local council and citizens of Rozelle, Balmain, Drummoyne, and Lilyfield that their lives would be trampled over in the interests of a toll company? Of course not

How about the Inner West council that only collects rubbish every fortnight? I'm not making this stuff up

[begov94]

100%. Most of these people have zero real world appreciation of the consequences of bad leadership and yet are placed on leadership roles in our political system. 90% of them fall into the stereotype of Talking Points and narratives, and crushing over public benefit

Let's look at NSW. The Rozelle interchange fiasco created by the Liberal Party was known about by the politicians 6-12 months before the Westconnex opened. Did they think to tell the local council and citizens of Rozelle, Balmain, Drummoyne, and Lilyfield that their lives would be trampled over in the interests of a toll company? Of course not

How about the Inner West council that only collects rubbish every fortnight? I'm not making this stuff up

We're born in a world where someone wants to be something. Give them that opportunity and they abuse it. The only way to survive it is to not get sucked into their policies.

I'm much more grateful not living in Southeast Asia where they lock people up for speaking up, and we don't need to take up arms in order to fight civil injustice.

These things have to happen sometimes in a democracy. We can't really create a utopia. The Soviet Union tried their hand at it - immediate citizens of the capital were happy but it was chaos at governmental level, they had to redirect resources from other regions to make it "even" for citizens in the capital cities. That's why some regions never recovered even after the Soviet collapse.

[iamthewalrus]

This is a disgusting post. Evidence of no moderation on this thread.

What if your daughters were raped? Would you have the same misogynist attitude?






I reckon bitches should just accept they’re gonna get raped a few times in their life. It’s too difficult to prove in court and they might be just lying out of spite to get revenge on a good honest guy.
Might as well decriminalise rape actually.

[GoldfishMan]

This is a disgusting post. Evidence of no moderation on this thread.

What if your daughters were raped? Would you have the same misogynist attitude?

He's being sarcastic bro...

[iamthewalrus]

doesn't read that way

[ReginaldBubbles]

doesn't read that way

lol, you mustn’t have read any of my other posts in this thread.
How does your sarcasm meter react to this one?
I don’t have a daughter so my moral compass can’t determine whether rape is bad or not.

[personaa]

"The former defence minister is suing Ms Higgins and her fiance David Sharaz for defamation in the Supreme Court of Western Australia over social media utterances."

https://www.news.com.au/national/courts-law/linda-reynolds-pulls-extraordinary-legal-move-in-brittany-higgins-defamation-trial/news-story/bcee7a6f8032a699b41ed641200e6695

To be continued...

[rooter]

Defamation is a farce. It's just a way for already privileged and entitled people to get money of other privileged and entitled people so they can buy themselves yet another investment property.
If defamation was for real then Bazza from the pub should sue Dazza from the pub for telling the other blokes in the pub that Bazza is a weak as piss drinker and has got a small dick and the court would award him three slabs of VB as compensation

[ReginaldBubbles]

Linda Reynolds is an incompetent, lying cunt.

She can sue me now.

[frisson]

Agree that defamation law is a circus

But still the main problem in this whole case is how you and I had to fork out $2.4 million to this lady. I hope this is fully investigated

[Costy]

It’s a slap in the face to all tax payers watching these 2 grubs living it up in France.
Her smug boyfriend looks like he could do with a swift uppercut to the chin.

[frisson]

It’s a slap in the face to all tax payers watching these 2 grubs living it up in France.
Her smug boyfriend looks like he could do with a swift uppercut to the chin.

Very true. But who looks more smug - the boyfriend, or Bruce Lehrmann?

[Costy]

Brucey is clearly a bit of a grub that got thrown under the bus.
Brittany has buyers remorse and saw an opportunity to cash in.
David is an opportunistic leech with delusions of grandeur.
You can picture Brittany waking up on that couch with Bruce's swimmers leaking out of her snapper.
All just my opinion though.

[frisson]

Brucey is clearly a bit of a grub that got thrown under the bus.
Brittany has buyers remorse and saw an opportunity to cash in.
David is an opportunistic leech with delusions of grandeur.
You can picture Brittany waking up on that couch with Bruce's swimmers leaking out of her snapper.
All just my opinion though.
Many may agree with every sentence
Go to the cops straight away of you have been assaulted - that goes for both men and women

[personaa]

Agree that defamation law is a circus

But still the main problem in this whole case is how you and I had to fork out $2.4 million to this lady. I hope this is fully investigated

It is mentioned in the article that if she wins then she will get a portion of that 2.4 million!

[woodland]

they should all be sent to a room and let Hayabi be the arbiter

[ReginaldBubbles]

Many may agree with every sentence
Go to the cops straight away of you have been assaulted - that goes for both men and women

It seems obvious that women should go to the police straight away but there's a myriad of reasons why they often don't. It's well documented.

[ReginaldBubbles]

Agree that defamation law is a circus

But still the main problem in this whole case is how you and I had to fork out $2.4 million to this lady. I hope this is fully investigated

Yes I'm sure we're all feeling the financial pain of a meaningless amount in the federal budget.

[priapus1966]

Happy to be corrected but I think that Reynolds can claim her legal expenses from the crown as she was a minister at the time. On the other hand Higgins will have to fund her own defence. Rooter was right - defamation is a farce.

[GoldfishMan]

On a side note, I think the BF of Brittany's wears women's spectacle frames. They just look so odd on his face.

[frisson]

On a side note, I think the BF of Brittany's wears women's spectacle frames. They just look so odd on his face.
Good observation.

Let's discuss the naivety of their actions. The other creepy thing about him was how he thought he was so well connected, and dealt with the problem like it was some sort of layman's tactics session, (where are the financial kickbacks and nasty paybacks possible?) instead of the lady just going to the police, NOT involving two media journalists on the side, and avoiding every single bit of this side circus

New boyfriend:
'Let's sit down at a cafe and brainstorm this. I'm a dealer at the table of justice.
Let's bring the media into this, like TV show host and feminist, Lisa Wilkinson. Let's go!
What could go wrong darling, I'm a mover. I'm a shaker baby'

Noone with any brains would invite a media publicity lover to sit at the table as you navigate a tragedy

Not only that. Apparently one of the pair confided their story to ANOTHER senior journalist, Samantha Maiden, from the Australian newspaper. Well before the case had gone to a proper court trial. Is that smart? Hell no

In fact their actions almost constituted 'prejudicing a jury' and aborting a trial

'See darling. I have earned you a book deal. We are in total control. Let's cash in baby. The whole Me Too movement is ours. We can't lose, baby'

Nasty, petty and a novice in the real world. Small man in a big city, fighting a bigger battle than he initially comprehended. What qualifications does he have to take on very powerful forces? Naive and doing his gf a disservice imho

[kingwally]

Good observation.

Let's discuss the naivety of their actions. The other creepy thing about him was how he thought he was so well connected, and dealt with the problem like it was some sort of layman's tactics session, (where are the financial kickbacks and nasty paybacks possible?) instead of the lady just going to the police, NOT involving two media journalists on the side, and avoiding every single bit of this side circus

New boyfriend:
'Let's sit down at a cafe and brainstorm this. I'm a dealer at the table of justice.
Let's bring the media into this, like TV show host and feminist, Lisa Wilkinson. Let's go!
What could go wrong darling, I'm a mover. I'm a shaker baby'

Noone with any brains would invite a media publicity lover to sit at the table as you navigate a tragedy

Not only that. Apparently one of the pair confided their story to ANOTHER senior journalist, Samantha Maiden, from the Australian newspaper. Well before the case had gone to a proper court trial. Is that smart? Hell no

In fact their actions almost constituted 'prejudicing a jury' and aborting a trial

'See darling. I have earned you a book deal. We are in total control. Let's cash in baby. The whole Me Too movement is ours. We can't lose, baby'

Nasty, petty and a novice in the real world. Small man in a big city, fighting a bigger battle than he initially comprehended. What qualifications does he have to take on very powerful forces? Naive and doing his gf a disservice imho

That is exactly what I think the situation is.

[frisson]

As reported, her previous employer is now taking Brittany to court for alleged defamation. The problem for Brittany is that she again has to pay for her own defence

It's a second defamation case that really should not have been brought on, if Brittany had just kept classy, kept quiet, and just gone to the police, and not invited the media into the room, which broke the case WIDE OPEN, and open the gates to the hungry legal profession

Use lawyers like you would use nuclear bomb, only as a very last resort to save your life. You will experience radiation fallout, if you bring on a big case and lose

[personaa]

Why to keep quiet instead of milking it as much as you can? Involving media was a good decision, Regardless of court's findings of course.

[frisson]

Why to keep quiet instead of milking it as much as you can? Involving media was a good decision, Regardless of court's findings of course.

Yes. So that would have been your advice to her as well. Get media involved

Lets get back to your recommendation, after Brittany's final legal bill total is revealed. As stated she has to face another court case and has to defend herself

[personaa]

Yes. So that would have been your advice to her as well. Get media involved

Lets get back to your recommendation, after Brittany's final legal bill total is revealed. As stayed she has to face another court case and has to defend herself

Mate, you missed the irony in my message!

On another note here is a breakdown of the pay:

According to the claim, the “hurt, distress and humiliation” Ms Higgins experience was valued at $400,000; past and future domestic assistance cost $100,000; and medical expenses cost $220,000. A further $245,000 was paid for legal fees, and $1.48m for lost wages.

Senator Reynolds has also referred the payment to the National Anti-Corruption Commission.

https://www.news.com.au/national/courts-law/linda-reynolds-seeks-french-advice-as-brittany-higgins-shares-snippets-of-new-life-in-france/news-story/fbadf593b6853f959af7fa5e4690bfe8

[GoldfishMan]

It would be really ironic if Brittany ends up suing her BF for encouraging her to go to the media and thereby causing her to lose her chance at getting justice, not to mention her potential legal and financial troubles down the road.

[frisson]

Mate, you missed the irony in my message!


Senator Reynolds has also referred the payment to the National Anti-Corruption Commission.

https://www.news.com.au/national/courts-law/linda-reynolds-seeks-french-advice-as-brittany-higgins-shares-snippets-of-new-life-in-france/news-story/fbadf593b6853f959af7fa5e4690bfe8

Oh sorry. Thought your opinion was that Brittany involve the meddlesome Lisa "Channel 10 can pay my legal bills" Wilkinson.

It goes like this

1. Invite the media into your life
2. By definition you sell your soul to the 24 hour news cycle
3. Lose all privacy and control of the narrative
4. Be photographed every month at your worst face and body angles, and be stalked around the world
5. You cannot switch the media attention off
6. People will permanently associate you with a lounge in Parliament House in your old bosses office. You never ever live it down

And news about referral to National anti-corruption commission? It's warranted. Sounds like a 'hush money' arrangement

[Double_Adapter]

Why to keep quiet instead of milking it as much as you can? Involving media was a good decision, Regardless of court's findings of course.

Maybe it was politically motivated as this article seems to suggest

https://www.theaustralian.com.au/nation/david-sharaz-how-brittany-higgins-fiance-played-a-central-role-in-rape-allegation-saga/news-story/95eddea9c77415a89a15169a553a7f77?amp&nk=9ef041577977c7b6cd8ea5899bf0616a-1705791285

[kingwally]

Maybe it was politically motivated as this article seems to suggest

https://www.theaustralian.com.au/nation/david-sharaz-how-brittany-higgins-fiance-played-a-central-role-in-rape-allegation-saga/news-story/95eddea9c77415a89a15169a553a7f77?amp&nk=9ef041577977c7b6cd8ea5899bf0616a-1705791285

Of course it was politically motivated!

[GoldfishMan]

Can’t stand Lisa Wilkinson. Her face looks like made of plastic, complete with fake pearly whites.

[rooter]

I don't think there was one single decent honest ethical person in this whole sad sorry saga.
How any of them can sue for defamation is a fucken joke.
And defaming a politician has to be the ultimate oxymoron.

[ryanpumper]

I would still give her one

[dotcumdotinyou]

Who?

Senator Reynolds !!!!!