Why pay when it's free through dating sites, especially for young single men

[andrewv]

Last week, I met an old mate and compared notes on our favourite subject. He has been a punter for years while married. His marriage ended a year ago. He kept punting for a few months, then signed up with a couple of dating sites. He discovered that many women on these sites are reasonably attractive and are looking for sex as much as he is. He calls it the "hookup world," and it costs a lot less than going to shops (paying by the hour) or paying sugar babies $500+ each time.

My question is, if you are single (no fear of discovery by a partner) and in reasonable shape, why don't you "hookup" using Tinder and other sites, knowing that many of these women are not looking for a boyfriend/husband and need sex over the weekend, and most likely ghost you anyway afterwards? Taking a woman to dinner at a nice place still costs less than $200.....

What is your experience?

[GoldfishMan]

Is there an equivalent forum like this one for hookup girls on dating sites, where "punters" go to put reviews of the girls? With ratings for looks, body, sexual experience, etc.

See, that's the problem with online dating. Anybody can embellish their profile to kingdom come, and it's only gonna get worse with new stuff like deep fake AI.

The same problem affects SBs to a certain degree, but it's limited by the fact girls go into that line of "work" to make money. If they don't have the looks to make it, what's the point? They'll just be wasting their time.

[andrewv]

On hookup websites and sugar baby ones like seeking.com there is a trend now where the couple meet for a video chat (using FaceTime, Zoom, or similar) and can then see what they each look like in real life and how they talk. Worst case is what is called M&G (meet and greet) when the couple meet for coffee for just 20-30 minutes before any agreements are struck.

I meet girls from seeking.com for coffee and give then money for their Uber/Taxi. I tell them upfront that no matter how much we end up liking each other, that it will be a quick one coffee for 20 minutes, so this puts boundaries around the risk (waste time).

[nosytt]

Because I don't want to date single mothers with 10 kids, crazy cat ladies, women who say they are in Australia but are actually overseas and bitcoin investors.

Plus the algorithm doesn't seem to like me, easier to pay.

[personaa]

Yeh only if these women had no issues!

[Nobis]

Everyone has issues these days

[triedforonce]

Reading this thread while watching Netflix "lover, stalker, killer"... That's why...

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[andrewv]

One of the biggest social scams in society today (and has been for decades) is women making men think and act as it's the men who are horny and must pursue women for sex. In actual reality, this is bullshit. If anyone of us were to be a fly on the wall of groups of 2 or more women talking to each other, we would discover that they are as desperate for sex as men and complain to each other about the lack of men to fuck.

Men getting brainwashed to think and act as the pursuers is a big advantage for women because it leaves me in a bind of having to "pay a price" to get sexual favours from women. And as we all know, often that price is the cost of divorce settlements --- up to 80% of a man's net assets.

Circling back to the issue, I have always maintained that if a man pays up to $500 (say sugar baby prices) each time they have sex, it is the cheapest and least risky form.
No baggage, no lasting liabilities, no lock-in contracts. And you also get a massive variety of choices and continue to get younger women.

[TonyZen]

Quoting something I've heard along the way: "You don't pay a prostitute for sex, you pay her to leave afterwards"

Some of us definitely don't want to be bringing any drama back home and still want to fuck that hot young thing.

[BearOrigin]

One of the biggest social scams in society today (and has been for decades) is women making men think and act as it's the men who are horny and must pursue women for sex. In actual reality, this is bullshit. If anyone of us were to be a fly on the wall of groups of 2 or more women talking to each other, we would discover that they are as desperate for sex as men and complain to each other about the lack of men to fuck.

Men getting brainwashed to think and act as the pursuers is a big advantage for women because it leaves me in a bind of having to "pay a price" to get sexual favours from women. And as we all know, often that price is the cost of divorce settlements --- up to 80% of a man's net assets.

Circling back to the issue, I have always maintained that if a man pays up to $500 (say sugar baby prices) each time they have sex, it is the cheapest and least risky form.
No baggage, no lasting liabilities, no lock-in contracts. And you also get a massive variety of choices and continue to get younger women.

Women are desperate for sex only if the man is hot enough to their liking.

[John_Diaz]

Quoting something I've heard along the way: "You don't pay a prostitute for sex, you pay her to leave afterwards"

Some of us definitely don't want to be bringing any drama back home and still want to fuck that hot young thing.

Well said! Hermano!

[andrewv]

Women are desperate for sex only if the man is hot enough to their liking.

Also, if the man is mega wealthy. Go to Dubai and watch the most glamorous girls hanging out with short, ugly billionaire for their money.

Money and power are the ultimate aphrodisiac (to quote Henry Kissinger)

[Riff888]

Dating apps are all scams. There's a class action against their parent company.

https://www.usatoday.com/story/tech/news/2024/02/15/tinder-hinge-class-action-lawsuit/72614206007/

[Sendmetheacti]

Dating apps are all scams. There's a class action against their parent company.

https://www.usatoday.com/story/tech/news/2024/02/15/tinder-hinge-class-action-lawsuit/72614206007/

Honestly this, they are all scams, or not worth it.

Take tinder or something for example. The average guy is like every 2000 swipes he gets maybe a date, where he probably has to dress up, go out, pay for dinner each time around $40, 3-4 times before she'll put out, and after that you're stuck with her for weeks/months/years of answering calls, her sharing her day etc.

Add up all those costs, and at the end of the day it's cheaper and more efficient to just fork out $150-200 and 30 minute lay, a different hot perpetually 18-20 Y/o every week.

The value proposition just doesn't add up.

Most other places prostitution is illegal, but the ONE thing Sydney did right is it's legalized. So it's way way cheaper to get HOT girls in a safe environment.

Other places in the world you'd need to put down $300USD for a crack whore.

[L_Kun]

I want to just pay for a service and both parties know exactly what the deal is.

Going on a dating site you have to worry about their intentions, are they trying to get to your room to steal your phone, wallet or your kidney.

[OnOnOnOn]

Its all about time for me. Also with reviews you are more likely to know what you will get.

[Shoryureppa]

I do both, dating is expensive

[rooter]

Nothing in life is free bro. Everything comes at a cost, be it financial, physical, emotional or the most precious thing of all which is time.
We pay the price and we enjoy, and then we die.
Life's good. And death is just around the corner. Enjoy!

[dotcumdotinyou]

Biggest problem with dating is consent...there is no implied consent anymore its black and white no means no even if you're balls deep she can remove consent and you have to pull out. WLs are simpler, cheaper and you won't (or shouldn't) be hit with a rape allegation.

[someguy88]

Not sure about other dating sites, but when tinder first come out in like 2013, for an "average" looking guy success is pretty limited, less so even now that there's more competition.

The original OP's mate must have something about his looks that women would want for a quick fling, (or maybe for a older age bracket 40+ it might be a different dynamic, don't know I'm not there yet)

Unless your in the upper end of attractiveness you're going to have a hard time on dating apps, tinder at the very least.
Why would women pick a 6 or 7/10 when they can have a 10/10, not like guy will say no.

And on the topic of consent where it can't be implied.
Good luck, my first tinder "date", the girl straight up asked me to come to her place, I insisted on coffee/dinner first, wouldn't out right say what she wanted even though we both knew what we were there for. It's all innuendos.
I took the hint after she brought me to her room jumped onto her bed and rolled around a bit while I was standing there like a chump. These days that's not a Yes, had I explicitly asked will you have sex, I doubt they'd have the courage to say yes.

And my last hookup the girl expected me you
to gown down on her but doesn't not give the same in return.

Having said all that, there is still fun in the chase but sometimes a man just needs a service ;)

[andrewv]

Very true @someguy88, about consent.
It can be withdrawn at any time. Imagine you’re banging away then she says “stop”. Is that a consent withdrawal ‘stop’ or a heat of the moment ‘stop’ …. Or ???

Then we live in the age of post-coital regret. She can rationalise in the morning after that she was drunk and she should have not gone ahead with sex, and then make allegations that you didn’t actually get a clear ‘consent’ from her and and and and she must be believed because you’re the man and must be a bastard.

[someguy88]

Yeah, I wouldn't want to be to pessimistic but to some extent I agree.
Lucky for me I can't dance for shit and no amount of booze will loosen me up enough to give it a crack, so all my hook ups alcohol was never involved (usually just from smooth talking and innuendos on dating apps and a coffee meet/dinner up), except for one where we got a bottle of wine at the hotel after both full knowingly going for what we want.

Keeps things more clear cut that way.

Greatly reduced chances of morning reget.

[rooter]

If you are young and fit and handsome and hung then dating apps could work for you, you can do really well.
Or if you are OK fucking ugly fat old women then again dating apps could work out well for you.
Or if you are Ok with being scammed, robbed, sucked into buying cryto currency etc before you find a genuine girl then dating apps could work out well for you
But if you are average, or overweight, or middle or old age guy and you don't want stress and you want to fuck young hot girls then you are not gonna get that for free.
You are gonna have to pay for it.

[Kiryu0]

Girls 'working' for their pay would do more kinky stuff as well than trying to find that golden unicorn who'd do everything you'd hope a WL/ML would do. Most average girls that you'll end up dating ain't that kinky probably.

[andrewv]

There was a research report recently that found internet dating sites have 80% of the women only interested in the top 20% of the men on the sites.

These sites are no man friendly.

On the other hand, sugar sites like seeking.com has a ratio of 5:1 girls:guys .. but the catch is men have to pay $$$$$

This is why massage shops and brothels will always be in demand.

[Nelly69]

dating app takes so much time, the girls expect you to have a perfect funny reply or they lose interest. If the success rate is 1 in 10 and and you need to spend an hour on each girl, thats 10 hours to get a unknown punt. Paying for a punt is a way more efficient use of your time, you pick the right girl or you walk.

I guess, you gotta work out what do have more of? Time or Money?

[Sibon]

Why pay when it's free through dating sites, especially for young single men

The reason young men visit brothels because they want to get out-of-the-classroom life experience from Milfs who are better teachers than they can find in their schools. :)

[Ralph-Lauren]

It’s all about time and money spent, on a dating app you will need to spend lots of time talking to the girls while sifting through the fakes.

Then if you end up on a date you still need to pay for dinner and likely a hotel room, ends up costing probably more than a punt while also not knowing how good she is in bed lol

Going to a shop you save all that time at least and generally get what you want out of it

[tkicks]

Lots of wisdom on this thread! Along with all that's been correctly said already here's a few from me...

.I like variety ..once I have been with a girl two or three times I lose interest...the investment of time and money necessary to hook a girlfriend doesn't justify the outcome.

Until you have known them for few months girlfriends will only suck with condom.( Or not at all). Similar with anything non vanilla only a minority of civilians are open to it.

Most of the women on sites are defective in one way or another..at least that what people I know on there have told me.

I could go on there's loads more....The longer I have punted the more i have realised it's merits...unless I run out of money I would never go back to normal gf relationships

[CarpetJam]

Lots of wisdom on this thread! Along with all that's been correctly said already here's a few from me...

.I like variety ..once I have been with a girl two or three times I lose interest...the investment of time and money necessary to hook a girlfriend doesn't justify the outcome.

Until you have known them for few months girlfriends will only suck with condom.( Or not at all). Similar with anything non vanilla only a minority of civilians are open to it.

Most of the women on sites are defective in one way or another..at least that what people I know on there have told me.

I could go on there's loads more....The longer I have punted the more i have realised it's merits...unless I run out of money I would never go back to normal gf relationships

Pretty sure the issue is with you if your gf will only suck you with a dom

[Calves]

Sometimes I just need a release and sometimes I want to try something new
These days on the apps you get all kinds of gold diggers. Matched with this girl and the first thing she said is she wants princess treatment....all her pictures had a very badly photoshopped / touched up face

[someguy88]

I wouldn't go so far to say most are defective in some way, but there is a fair few.

Although dating sites a are a lot more common these days surely, being almost the norm meeting people these days?

I reckon Tinder being the main one to change things, as before that online dating was really serious, such as height, income, beliefs/religion, likes, hobbies, hair colour, eye colour blah blah.

Then Tinder come and changed things, all you got was age, some photos and a short about me text box. And with its original intent being on hook ups, I reckon changed the crowed to, (can't think of a good word, less prude.....) and things started getting normalised from there.


The take away is though, if your needs/desires are satisfied in a shop.
Then when trying to chase a date, there's much less pressure and one less thing on your mind, in away purely there for the chase, banter, getting to know someone etc. Anything more is just a bonus ;)

And less pressure means less fucks given, which leads to appearing more relaxed and confident, which leads to better results.

So yeah, punting still has its place.

[tkicks]

Pretty sure the issue is with you if your gf will only suck you with a dom

I have no personal experience to go on but im told by friends in the conventional dating world that condoms are the norm for the first month until they have got to know you.....you obviously have been granted an exemption

[GoldfishMan]

Lots of wisdom on this thread! Along with all that's been correctly said already here's a few from me...

.I like variety ..once I have been with a girl two or three times I lose interest...the investment of time and money necessary to hook a girlfriend doesn't justify the outcome.

Until you have known them for few months girlfriends will only suck with condom.( Or not at all). Similar with anything non vanilla only a minority of civilians are open to it.

Most of the women on sites are defective in one way or another..at least that what people I know on there have told me.

I could go on there's loads more....The longer I have punted the more i have realised it's merits...unless I run out of money I would never go back to normal gf relationships

I'm similar to you. I get bored of a girl very quickly, but how long I can stay with the same girl depends on how hot I perceive her to be, based on my own taste of course. If she's really the kind of hot I'm after (leggy proportions, slender/skinny but with womanly curves front and back, reasonably pretty face), I can go on and on with the same girl.

The problem is, my taste is too generic, lol... That means my ideal girls wouldn't need no dating apps to get a BF. They get hit on by guys everywhere they go.

The hotter a girl is, the less likely she'll need to use dating apps.

The same "causality" does not affect WGs. In fact it works in the opposite direction, if a girl was inclined to make money using her body and looks. To be able to be a successful WG, she needs to have the good looks.

[BearOrigin]

It's the modern mentality and justification of "sex sells". Both men and women like looking at naked women but not all men and women like looking at naked men. From prostitution being offered as an alternative to fucking one's own wife or mistress, recently it's been monetized by a bunch of women seeking to milk out every single drop they can from horny men - $50 tip increments for every extras asked/offered, instant $200 extra for BBFS and even odd offers such as cosplaying during sex.

The incentive a man gets for paying for sex is instant - no need for tiresome dates that often end up as flake/no-show just because the princess had no guts to say no or tell them they're disinterested. Cutting to the chase is easier than playing games.

On the other hand, certain type of dating games are acceptable than the rest. I rejected a cute looking girl on C&B once because despite having an active profile she tells me that she's currently seeing someone and unable to go out for a simple coffee. After rejecting her and deleting her off the app she proceeded to stalk me on my social media. I confronted her about it, and she denies it all. I told her if she can't be real with her own feelings, good luck finding someone else who can accept her that way.

I'll be honest, I was abstaining from punting months ago but got back into it because I felt like my feelings were betrayed. We made up indirectly, I know what she wants but I'm not letting her turn me into a pussywhipped wimp. While I'm working to make her dreams come true, I'm not going to let her disrespect my loyalty. My loyalty is through the heart but this body is free to experience whatever it wants. If I need to let steam off because she isn't there for me, she should understand why and make up for it in the future rather than bring it up as a way to pussywhip me.

We haven't made any promises to be physically loyal to each other just yet. Just that emotionally we have started doing our best to be loyal to each other. When the time comes we'll make the vows for both physical and emotional loyalty but for now, she has understand if she's not around physically it's her temporary loss. On the other hand, my punting frequency has dropped to once or twice a month depending on any extra earnings I get for that month, and I have dropped down to the 45 min option as it fits the time I need to let steam off without getting too intimate with whoever servicing me, plus it is cheaper than the whole hour option.

[dotcumdotinyou]

Wise words there hayabi

[Meng]

Wise words there hayabi

Bro! I actually didn't realise until the whole spiel about girls secretly wanting him but are playing games with him.

Holy shit you sure know how to spot it. I'm fucking slow on the uptake lol.

[ScotPassingThrough]

Working towards M’s happiness, one 45 minute punt at time. What a romantic.

[Meng]

Working towards M’s happiness, one 45 minute punt at time. What a romantic.

Fark 161 posts since joining in Feb. How does one get the time to post that much.

[Ziggurat]

Biggest problem with dating is consent...there is no implied consent anymore its black and white no means no even if you're balls deep she can remove consent and you have to pull out. WLs are simpler, cheaper and you won't (or shouldn't) be hit with a rape allegation.

But the very act of pulling out would create a pleasurable feeling on your cock. Therefore you are contiuing to have sex after she has withdrawn the offer of it. You could explain your dilemma to her and say the only solution is that you stay balls deep and nobody moves until the Fire Brigade comes to extricate you.

[ScotPassingThrough]

Fark 161 posts since joining in Feb. How does one get the time to post that much.

And that is just one of his accounts and not even counting the time he spends jabbering at himself and others on multiple accounts. If being a useless weirdo was chess this guy is Kasparov multiplied by Deep Blue.

[ColesBag]

And that is just one of his accounts and not even counting the time he spends jabbering at himself and others on multiple accounts. If being a useless weirdo was chess this guy is Kasparov multiplied by Deep Blue.

I wouldn't grant the window licker the kudos by associating him with chess. It's all so obvious.

[ScotPassingThrough]

Y u onli right stuf when H ya bi is here. U here jus 2 folow him?

Is L hapi that u right on here as xtra 2 blog?

Fuck off, Hayabi


I wouldn't grant the window licker the kudos by associating him with chess. It's all so obvious.

Fair point. Bad analogy

[tcrawford]

I went to sign up to a site to see if it still a shit show and this one girl aged 33, says on her profile old guys need to stop messaging her. She is only looking for guys around her age....

Looking for: Men between 25-35!

OMG 2 years older and 8 years younger hahahaha!

[Domynoako]

It totally makes sense to use dating sites like Tinder if you're single and in decent shape. A lot of people on there are just looking for casual hookups, and it’s way cheaper than paying by the hour or spending a lot on sugar babies. I’ve had pretty good experiences with these apps – you get to meet new people and it's way more affordable.

If you're still hunting for this info, I have a suggestion. I found a site called villideitti.net (https://villideitti.net), which is like a sex club where you can easily find a date just for sex, no strings attached.

[Veets]

The amount of times I went straight to a private or brothel after another catfish or smokescreen meet up was pretty high! Having said that there was quite a handful of outstanding fucks and formed fuck buddies that made up for it!
If you got time to spare enjoy the game but if time is money it’s a waste
And there’s stalkerish moments and hurt feelings amongst the fun

[GoldfishMan]

I personally think that going into a relationship with a girl is a completely different thing from punting. Just because both will lead to sex doesn't mean they're interchangeable. Even the sex you get out of both will be different.

So I always say, if you need to punt go punt, just don't let that stop you from having a normal relationship with girls.

[Double_Adapter]

Relationships & marriages will cost you significantly more in the long term. And less sex or even no sex later on.

Only fun & exciting at the start

Everything (in life) has a price, it's just a question of what you are willing to pay, and whether the price was worth it.

[Sendmetheacti]

Lol. I married a girl, haven't had PIV sex in 4 years. With her atleast. Lol.

Women just aren't interested in sex in the same way. They use sex to get commitment. And they desire sex a lot, but only if there's commitment to be gained.

Once they've got that, they sort of don't care.

So fuck it. I got married for social obligations. The sex dried up after like 6 months of living together so I said fuck it.

Now I fuck 18 year old hotties whenever I want and never have to beg for sex or do the chores or anything.

I would have much preferred to have regular sex with my wife, but she doesnt want that so I'm going to make the best out of a bad situation.

[Sendmetheacti]

Yes this is true. The problem is if one day your wife finds out about your punting, then decides to leave. Or she just decides to leave one day for no reason.

Then you have all your money and assets at stake

If she gets most, you may have trouble continuing to "f"ck 18 year old hotties" whenever you want

Eh men, only participate in the legal system as long as they deem it fair;
If it's unfair, then there is no legal system worth participating in.

In other words if that looks like it's going to that way, il'l grow a beard, all assets in bitcoin, and I'm going to go hide on top of a bar in soi6 for a decade or so.

[smallasian]

On the other hand, sugar sites like seeking.com has a ratio of 5:1 girls:guys .. but the catch is men have to pay $$$$$

This is why massage shops and brothels will always be in demand.

Is this still the case? There's barely any girls I'm interested in on those sites, though I do notice a lot more unsearchable/hidden profiles...

[rooter]

if you have the majority of the following attributes then yeah sure Ok you can probably have sex with attractive young women on a semi regular basis without paying for it ... you have to be young, rich, handsome, fit, famous, hung, confident, successful, intelligent, charismatic, connected etc ... but even then you would have to work pretty hard for it, and ultimately pay some serious money ... but if you are a mere mortal like me and 99% of the dudes reading this then if you want regular sex with lots of young gorgeous girls ... then you are gonna have to be a punter ... nothing wrong with paying for it, nothing to brag about and nothing to be ashamed about, just a rational lifestyle choice ... enjoy!

[kpopcity]

When i was younger and it was before the dating app days AND when sydney nightlife was still good, i used to go around sydney picking up girls

I did get women to sleep with me, but it was very time consuming. Since i lived in the burbs, travelling to the city and back on shittyrail took over an hour.

Then approaching, getting her number, dates, flakes, no shows, logistics to take her back home, and trying to get her to have sex was a tedious task. The saying hi to final sex ratio was very low.

It was also inconsistent as well. Some nights i would do very well eg kissing one girl, fingering another and sex with another girl in the parking lot to getting absolutely shut down 10 times a night and going home with nothing but feeling shit.

When i was younger and poorer, it was something fun and exciting but after early 20s, its just not a productive way to spend your life tbh.

Now you can drive around sydney and pick any one of the 1000 working girls or two

[Johny77]

Apps like tinder work if you are a good looking and stand out from the rest. Way more guys on there than there are women. If you are one of those types of guys, it’s a goldmine. I’m decent looking but definitely no Brad Pitt, so it means I would have to devote the time and apply myself more than others. Then it’s a case of meeting for coffee and dinner. If you don’t click, that’s time and money down the drain. May as well go and see ML/WL and walk out happy. Although, it’s not the best for one’s self confidence (for me anyway). My perspective may come across as negative but it’s the reality for guys these days.

Women are quite picky on those sites and have heard stories from mates time and time again. One in particular has met up with a few girls off tinder and hasn’t had much luck. Some girls being quite blunt in terms of communicating that they don’t find him attractive. He walks away quite dejected. The good looking rooster of the group does quite well but is sick of paying for dinners and having to spend time with them in order to get them into the bedroom lol.

As per a previous post, nothing is free. You just have to make a decision as to whether you want to play the game or go to FS or massage joint and take a pick of one of the gorgeous girls.

[Johny77]

if you have the majority of the following attributes then yeah sure Ok you can probably have sex with attractive young women on a semi regular basis without paying for it ... you have to be young, rich, handsome, fit, famous, hung, confident, successful, intelligent, charismatic, connected etc ... but even then you would have to work pretty hard for it, and ultimately pay some serious money ... but if you are a mere mortal like me and 99% of the dudes reading this then if you want regular sex with lots of young gorgeous girls ... then you are gonna have to be a punter ... nothing wrong with paying for it, nothing to brag about and nothing to be ashamed about, just a rational lifestyle choice ... enjoy!

Spot on. Great post!

[MDPorto]

After spending time in my late teens/early 20s and through to my 30s going out on weekends, and even using very early iterations of online dating + speed dating to date and bed women - I have found the whole process completely boring. This lifestyle is not cheap nor is it convenient these days.

I've also lost count of the amount of times I've booked a session immediately after exiting a online dating app date. In fact, I've even excused myself to the bathroom a couple of times so I could phone/text through a booking... before then excusing myself completely with a "it was nice to meet you".

I don't even have dating apps installed anymore. I'd rather go have a nice dinner and drinks on a weekend in the company of close friends rather than sit there with a boring woman - who can't wait for you to go to the toilet so she can check her Instagram and respond to her friends messages about whether all the 'checklist' items are being ticked off.

There are so many gorgeous MLs/WLs out there - who are available at your leisure and convenience, to give you pleasure.

In one way or another, you pay for it.

[Hedonisticfun]

Last week, I met an old mate and compared notes on our favourite subject. He has been a punter for years while married. His marriage ended a year ago. He kept punting for a few months, then signed up with a couple of dating sites. He discovered that many women on these sites are reasonably attractive and are looking for sex as much as he is. He calls it the "hookup world," and it costs a lot less than going to shops (paying by the hour) or paying sugar babies $500+ each time.

My question is, if you are single (no fear of discovery by a partner) and in reasonable shape, why don't you "hookup" using Tinder and other sites, knowing that many of these women are not looking for a boyfriend/husband and need sex over the weekend, and most likely ghost you anyway afterwards? Taking a woman to dinner at a nice place still costs less than $200.....

What is your experience?

Why ? Because Tinder and other *free* hookup sites are just as dubious as Matchmaking companies full of exaggerated , fake and scam profiles . Yes , you can get a freebie but prefer the cash transaction of a WL/ML where service is guaranteed without the timewasting whining and dining AND especially no strings attached after with persistent phonecalls , future relationship and crazy stalker

[dotcumdotinyou]

Look how difficult it is with all the advertising about consent.

At least with a WL she won't withdraw consent while you're balls deep.

[holi_day]

Free product and service are usually the most expensive.

[JJBlows]

Free product and service are usually the most expensive.

you either pay now or later pretty much. roughly still costs the same at the end of the day.

[pornonporn]

i am messaging a girl and we are going to meet up soon
but i have been writing things like i want to tickle your thighs and massage them
she is still talking to me
im not sure if she wants to do it on the first date

[Kiki kong]

i am messaging a girl and we are going to meet up soon
but i have been writing things like i want to tickle your thighs and massage them
she is still talking to me
im not sure if she wants to do it on the first date

You sure you're not getting catfished bro.
That it's not a 40yo dude getting off at catfishing you??

[pornonporn]

No definitely not
her pics match her profile on facebook and name does too

[JJBlows]

No definitely not
her pics match her profile on facebook and name does too

some people can set up elaborate scams, be careful. try talking normally to her atleast

[pornonporn]

we've spoken on the phone and done video chats just the messaging is getting fucking horny

[alphaomega8384]

No strings attached, fuck and go! Easy.

[dgf]

It totally makes sense to use dating sites like Tinder if you're single and in decent shape. A lot of people on there are just looking for casual hookups, and it’s way cheaper than paying by the hour or spending a lot on sugar babies. I’ve had pretty good experiences with these apps – you get to meet new people and it's way more affordable.

If you're still hunting for this info, I have a suggestion. I found a site called LINK REMOVED, which is like a sex club where you can easily find a date just for sex, no strings attached.

^^^ This is a backlinking bot

[Mr Nice]

Quoting something I've heard along the way: "You don't pay a prostitute for sex, you pay her to leave afterwards"

Some of us definitely don't want to be bringing any drama back home and still want to fuck that hot young thing.

Haha pay her to leave.... Best quote I have heard in years

[Mr Nice]

The best part about paying is there is no awkwardness after sex about how long to stay. You both go your separate ways, hopefully with a smile

[ChadThunderrcock]

Sex is definitely never free. Much more convenient & cheaper to just pay for it upfront. Can choose the girl you want and no need to waste time "gaming" girls.

If you don't look like Brad Pitt or Chris Hemsworth, then dating sites are useless for 99% of guys who are just average to below-average looking.

[Kiki kong]

Sex is definitely never free. Much more convenient & cheaper to just pay for it upfront. Can choose the girl you want and no need to waste time "gaming" girls.

If you don't look like Brad Pitt or Chris Hemsworth, then dating sites are useless for 99% of guys who are just average to below-average looking.

Even if i looked like Brad or some good looking actor or singer. I'd still just go for a punt and pay up.
It costs more money and specialy time. Just pay fuck and get on with life. No head fucks thanks

[ChadThunderrcock]

Even if i looked like Brad or some good looking actor or singer. I'd still just go for a punt and pay up.
It costs more money and specialy time. Just pay fuck and get on with life. No head fucks thanks
You're right. I'm pretty sure alot of these good looking actors are punting as well.

Hugh Grant got caught soliciting sex from a Prostitute. And he was one of the best looking dudes in Hollywood at the time. I guess even he couldn't be bothered dating & dealing with the head fucks that come with it either

[HiredGoon]

You're right. I'm pretty sure alot of these good looking actors are punting as well.

Hugh Grant got caught soliciting sex from a Prostitute. And he was one of the best looking dudes in Hollywood at the time. I guess even he couldn't be bothered dating & dealing with the head fucks that come with it either

He was dating Liz Hurley at the time but obviously wanted some big black lips around his dick so paid Divine brown $60.
Problem was he kept pushing the brake peddle in his car while she was sucking him off so a cop came to see why the brake lights kept flashing. Something to learn from...

[madness123]

Someone asked a Pilot mate of mine why he doesn't buy his own plane rather than pay to lease an aircraft.
He said:
If it floats, flies or fucks, you rent it.
Makes a lot of sense. Its become my mantra too now.

[Hedonisticfun]

Sex is definitely never free. Much more convenient & cheaper to just pay for it upfront. Can choose the girl you want and no need to waste time "gaming" girls.

If you don't look like Brad Pitt or Chris Hemsworth, then dating sites are useless for 99% of guys who are just average to below-average looking.

Indeed , after years of occasionally dating to try and find a long term relationship I finally came to the conclusion (yes , I'm a very slooow learner) that all was after was sex .
Finally found one , friend with benefits , but eventually the head fuck did me in.
Thank god for Scarlett Blue and EscortsandBabes and the internet , especially after the Sydney chapter of Backpages was shut down by the USA

[orangewhitecat]

If you’re not handsome dating sites are useless unless you’re into morbidly obese chicks

[ChadThunderrcock]

If you’re not handsome dating sites are useless unless you’re into morbidly obese chicks

If you're not super-handsome like Brad Pitt, Chris Hemsworth, Liam Hemsworth. You won't even get a reply from morbidly obese chicks either. They will ghost as well if you're just an average looking guy or an ugly guy

[justincase]

If you’re not handsome dating sites are useless unless you’re into morbidly obese chicks

I didn’t realise a lot use filters. It’s a scam really and I’ve been tricked once on a forum prior to a meetup. Nothing eventuated as I’m very specific about who I date. She was an instant turn off.

Another one was always…always looking different on her chats. I thought is this me, do I have an eyesight problem? Then I asked and she said yes she uses them. Why present as someone you are not?

[ChadThunderrcock]

I didn’t realise a lot use filters. It’s a scam really and I’ve been tricked once on a forum prior to a meetup. Nothing eventuated as I’m very specific about who I date. She was an instant turn off.

Another one was always…always looking different on her chats. I thought is this me, do I have an eyesight problem? Then I asked and she said yes she uses them. Why present as someone you are not?

Beauty filters & heavy make-up should be illegal on dating sites & social media. Its false advertising & a scam

Same as the girls who use pictures from 5-10+ years ago

[HiredGoon]

Beauty filters & heavy make-up should be illegal on dating sites & social media. Its false advertising & a scam

Same as the girls who use pictures from 5-10+ years ago

Make up should be illegal on dating sites?? Wtf???

[justincase]

The age stated is another, how often are they listed as twenty something and they’re older. I know Asian women can get away with it a lot better than western women but it’s like once they start posting online their age stops.

[secret0]

Make up should be illegal on dating sites?? Wtf???

ChadThunderrcock is the latest account of our old mate mn69, OldBaldFatFarang, 2000BahtLongTime, LuvKoreanPussy, JohnnySomali, and a whole multitude of other accounts (sometimes creating 3-4 at a time) that have all been banned.
Look up any of those accounts and you'll see just how batshit insane he is, and what he really thinks of women (especially Asian women) in general.
He's easy to spot: his usual comment includes some form of you have to be good looking for girls to like you e.g "unless you look like Brad Pitt or Chris Hemsworth".
There's also his hatred of 'old bald fat farangs' and his hatred of Thai women.

He has a habit of attacking shops and girls (Ginza, N5M, and Saigon Princess were his main targets).
He created a whole thread and spent a few weeks attacking N5M and its girls (https://www.aus99forum.com/showthread.php?139482-Problems-with-No5-Marrickville-bookings) because he had been cancelled on multiple times.
Other people gave similar experiences (including myself), and there were lots of reasonable explanations, but as time went on, his comments revealed that he was cancelled on *after* he had arrived, which begs the question, why did they accept his booking, but then cancel on him once he turned up and they saw his face? He never answered that question, but it certainly is interesting.

His best defense is "you've never seen me commit a crime", as though he doesn't understand the concept of object permanence.
He probably closes his eyes when he does something bad and believes because he didn't see himself do it, he didn't do it.

Saying something like "make up should be illegal on dating sites" would be a joke coming from other people.
But he probably actually believes this should be a real thing, which kinda points to just how insane and mentally ill he is.

I've seen lots of stupid shit said on this forum, because they are just stupid. I don't react to most of it because... well, no point arguing against stupid.
A lot of new users here might not know him, but just wanted to point him out, in case anyone is dumb enough to listen to his insanity.
But I will keep calling him out because he seems to be the only one (so far) actually out to actively attack shops and girls.

[GoldfishMan]

Here's another good reason not to use dating sites:
https://www.aus99forum.com/showthread.php?142279-First-he-gets-scammed-then-he-s-found-guilty&p=3417626#post3417626

It's a jungle out there, full of scammers, extortionists, you name it. Why expose yourself to all that risk when you can just pay a few hundred bucks to get your rocks off?

[MDPorto]

There seems to be an unwritten rule for men from women on dating apps - it's called 'Triple Six':

Six Foot Tall
Six Pack Abs
Six Figure Salary
(we might as well make it Quad Six and say Six Inches Long as well)

This is, in fact, a very small subset of men - somewhere in the top 10-20%. To 80-90% of modern day women, this is what they are going for. The remaining 80-90% of men (outside of that top 10-20%) are virtually invisible.

Why is this invisibility the case?

The additional problem - a good chunk of us dirty minded men would happily bang a bag full of prawns from a dumpster out the back of a Chinese Restaurant if it meant getting our rocks off...

This means that a lot of average women on these dating apps (I'm talking 4, 5, 6 out of 10 on the attractiveness scale) still get a lot of attention (that they normally wouldn't get in the real world and plenty more so than men who are on the same level of attractiveness), and have had their heads gassed up so much that they think they are deserving of one of these top 10-20% 'Triple Six' men as well.

The 'Triple Six' bloke has a lot of options. All the women think they can be the one to steal his heart and make him commit. But he doesn't. They move onto the next 'Triple Six' bloke... and the same thing happens again. Eventually the women get frustrated with this, and then all of a sudden it's "all men are arseholes" instead of reflecting on their own choices to chase only the most attractive men.

Oh and you get a date - she's expecting more than just a coffee or a drink these days, and she's expecting you to pay for it, and "oh and I don't f**k until at least date number three".

The dating world in general is actually pretty messed up at the moment.

[HiredGoon]

There seems to be an unwritten rule for men from women on dating apps - it's called 'Triple Six':

Six Foot Tall
Six Pack Abs
Six Figure Salary
(we might as well make it Quad Six and say Six Inches Long as well)

This is, in fact, a very small subset of men - somewhere in the top 10-20%. To 80-90% of modern day women, this is what they are going for. The remaining 80-90% of men (outside of that top 10-20%) are virtually invisible.

Why is this invisibility the case?

The additional problem - a good chunk of us dirty minded men would happily bang a bag full of prawns from a dumpster out the back of a Chinese Restaurant if it meant getting our rocks off...

This means that a lot of average women on these dating apps (I'm talking 4, 5, 6 out of 10 on the attractiveness scale) still get a lot of attention (that they normally wouldn't get in the real world and plenty more so than men who are on the same level of attractiveness), and have had their heads gassed up so much that they think they are deserving of one of these top 10-20% 'Triple Six' men as well.

The 'Triple Six' bloke has a lot of options. All the women think they can be the one to steal his heart and make him commit. But he doesn't. They move onto the next 'Triple Six' bloke... and the same thing happens again. Eventually the women get frustrated with this, and then all of a sudden it's "all men are arseholes" instead of reflecting on their own choices to chase only the most attractive men.

Oh and you get a date - she's expecting more than just a coffee or a drink these days, and she's expecting you to pay for it, and "oh and I don't f**k until at least date number three".

The dating world in general is actually pretty messed up at the moment.

Sounds like the incel gospel. You like Joe Rogan right?

[11Bravo]

ChadThunderrcock is the latest account of our old mate mn69, OldBaldFatFarang, 2000BahtLongTime, LuvKoreanPussy, JohnnySomali, and a whole multitude of other accounts (sometimes creating 3-4 at a time) that have all been banned.

His best defense is "you've never seen me commit a crime", as though he doesn't understand the concept of object permanence.
He probably closes his eyes when he does something bad and believes because he didn't see himself do it, he didn't do it.
An intelligent analysis. "Object permanence" - I'll admit, had to google. Well said.

It certainly does get tiresome trying to relate the banned with the reincarnated. You know they're in that brotherhood, but the lines do blur.

[DannyMatov]

I tried the dating site route a while back, but honestly, it felt like too much effort for very little. Most chats just fizzled out or turned fake. I’ve had better luck with cam chat (https://lemonchat.app/video/) because at least you see who you're talking to right away and it feels more real and less like you're wasting time. Way easier to figure out if there's any vibe.

[urmumsurdad]

IMO, the sex is different. A lot of prosis are as close as it gets to fucking a pornstar. If I’m after vanilla sex then yeah I’ll just go chat a girl up or something.

[ChadThunderrcock]

Tried the dating apps for months, mostly time-wasters or fake profiles. This way feels more direct and less frustrating, especially if you're after something clear without all the games.

Dating apps only work if you look like Brad Pitt or Chris Hemsworth

If you are not super handsome, you're just average looking or ugly, you pretty much don't exist & are invisible to all those girls on the dating apps.

[HiredGoon]

Dating apps only work if you look like Brad Pitt or Chris Hemsworth

If you are not super handsome, you're just average looking or ugly, you pretty much don't exist & are invisible to all those girls on the dating apps.

Damn, I look like Austin Butler. FML

[dewayne]

Dating apps only work if you look like Brad Pitt or Chris Hemsworth

If you are not super handsome, you're just average looking or ugly, you pretty much don't exist & are invisible to all those girls on the dating apps.

I haven't been on the apps in close to 10 years now but I'm pretty average in every way and did just fine back in the day. Had a few rotational fwbs, a couple steady girlfriends for a time, and am still friends with a couple of the women I met. Good banter, a pleasant demeanor and an intellectual connection are far more important than a six pack or whatever

[MindTheGap]

I haven't been on the apps in close to 10 years now but I'm pretty average in every way and did just fine back in the day. Had a few rotational fwbs, a couple steady girlfriends for a time, and am still friends with a couple of the women I met. Good banter, a pleasant demeanor and an intellectual connection are far more important than a six pack or whatever

Totally agree. I’m on RHP and Feeld to mix it up and have met a few. Also dated and seeing some girls off hinge. Just not bothered about a full time thing. Prefer variety and happy to pay when I have spare cash.

[Sendmetheacti]

Obviously the value proposition isn't there, anymore. Most guys end up on these apps to meet someone and have some good sex.

I mean, you spend hours of your life swiping, and having meaningless conversations over text, to meet up with some mid-looking girl hoping for a spark, knowing she's seeing like 6 other guys at the same time.

Then if you get lucky, after years of this... after paying for her meal, and a few dates, to the tune of several hundred dollars and several hours of time invested, maybe youl'l get back to her place or your place, for a brief fuck.

Then youl'l either never see her again, or absolute best case, youl'l end up blowing several hundred thousand dollars on a weddings, dates, dinner nights, and houses you never really cared about... only to end up fucking her once a month (if your lucky), when she doesn't have a headache.


And then one of those nights as you're laying there after jerking off silently in bed next to her, youl'l do the Math.
Ginza.. $320 for an hour... I spent 200k all up on this woman over the last 10 years.... Including the house I never wanted to buy, the holidays I never wanted to go on...

That's 625 1 hour fucks with a different cute 18-25 year old japanese chick that happily blows you until completions, and fucks you in any position you could've dreamed of.

and.. then it hits you.

You probably haven't fucked your wife 625 times. She's definitely not as enthusiastic, definitely not as good looking, or atleast as much novelty. You got scammed.

Marriage and the whole dating and partnership thing made sense when the trade was; I work hard, and look after you. You give me sex whenever I want as your sacred duty + look after any kids that are produced.

Slowly that went away, and now all that's left is 'social shame' from stopping me from doing the clearly better deal; Just bang hookers.
It was a worse deal having to pay for it, when you could just wife up someone and get it on tap for the rest of your life. But that's apparently rape now;

and so.... Brothels literally are the best deal for this kind of thing.
It is what it is; No point complaining. You play the hand your dealt in the time and place your born in. And for us that's hookers by far.

[HiredGoon]

Obviously the value proposition isn't there, anymore. Most guys end up on these apps to meet someone and have some good sex.

I mean, you spend hours of your life swiping, and having meaningless conversations over text, to meet up with some mid-looking girl hoping for a spark, knowing she's seeing like 6 other guys at the same time.

Then if you get lucky, after years of this... after paying for her meal, and a few dates, to the tune of several hundred dollars and several hours of time invested, maybe youl'l get back to her place or your place, for a brief fuck.

Then youl'l either never see her again, or absolute best case, youl'l end up blowing several hundred thousand dollars on a weddings, dates, dinner nights, and houses you never really cared about... only to end up fucking her once a month (if your lucky), when she doesn't have a headache.


And then one of those nights as you're laying there after jerking off silently in bed next to her, youl'l do the Math.
Ginza.. $320 for an hour... I spent 200k all up on this woman over the last 10 years.... Including the house I never wanted to buy, the holidays I never wanted to go on...

That's 625 1 hour fucks with a different cute 18-25 year old japanese chick that happily blows you until completions, and fucks you in any position you could've dreamed of.

and.. then it hits you.

You probably haven't fucked your wife 625 times. She's definitely not as enthusiastic, definitely not as good looking, or atleast as much novelty. You got scammed.

Marriage and the whole dating and partnership thing made sense when the trade was; I work hard, and look after you. You give me sex whenever I want as your sacred duty + look after any kids that are produced.

Slowly that went away, and now all that's left is 'social shame' from stopping me from doing the clearly better deal; Just bang hookers.
It was a worse deal having to pay for it, when you could just wife up someone and get it on tap for the rest of your life. But that's apparently rape now;

and so.... Brothels literally are the best deal for this kind of thing.
It is what it is; No point complaining. You play the hand your dealt in the time and place your born in. And for us that's hookers by far.

If all you want from a relationship is sex, and you're counting every dollar spent with them doing things you don't want to do, then yes, definitely go to a brothel and pay by the hour.

[RLC]

Brothels and MP are nice and easy and no hassle. Walk in, walk out and easy as that.

[Warriorking]

Are there any spots that don’t charge? Anything at all — like seriously, anything.

[Double_Adapter]

Obviously the value proposition isn't there, anymore. Most guys end up on these apps to meet someone and have some good sex.

I mean, you spend hours of your life swiping, and having meaningless conversations over text, to meet up with some mid-looking girl hoping for a spark, knowing she's seeing like 6 other guys at the same time.

Then if you get lucky, after years of this... after paying for her meal, and a few dates, to the tune of several hundred dollars and several hours of time invested, maybe youl'l get back to her place or your place, for a brief fuck.

Then youl'l either never see her again, or absolute best case, youl'l end up blowing several hundred thousand dollars on a weddings, dates, dinner nights, and houses you never really cared about... only to end up fucking her once a month (if your lucky), when she doesn't have a headache.


And then one of those nights as you're laying there after jerking off silently in bed next to her, youl'l do the Math.
Ginza.. $320 for an hour... I spent 200k all up on this woman over the last 10 years.... Including the house I never wanted to buy, the holidays I never wanted to go on...

That's 625 1 hour fucks with a different cute 18-25 year old japanese chick that happily blows you until completions, and fucks you in any position you could've dreamed of.

and.. then it hits you.

You probably haven't fucked your wife 625 times. She's definitely not as enthusiastic, definitely not as good looking, or atleast as much novelty. You got scammed.

Marriage and the whole dating and partnership thing made sense when the trade was; I work hard, and look after you. You give me sex whenever I want as your sacred duty + look after any kids that are produced.

Slowly that went away, and now all that's left is 'social shame' from stopping me from doing the clearly better deal; Just bang hookers.
It was a worse deal having to pay for it, when you could just wife up someone and get it on tap for the rest of your life. But that's apparently rape now;

and so.... Brothels literally are the best deal for this kind of thing.
It is what it is; No point complaining. You play the hand your dealt in the time and place your born in. And for us that's hookers by far.

This right here is the cornerstone and the very essence of why punting exists. In theory, married life should come with a steady supply of blowies, CIM, rimming, DATY and passionate animalistic sex (in multiples positions) and on fucken tap. But let’s be real: that’s often more fantasy than fact. For many, marriage eventually drifts into routine and a chore, with romance replaced by friendship and companionship.

If you want amazing unadulterated sex, become a punter and explore the brothel and RnT scene. If it’s loyal companionship you’re after, get a dog.....after all they are called man’s best friend for a reason.

Sure, there are wonderful and amazing chicks out there who break the mold, but finding one is about as rare as spotting a unicorn on your morning commute to a punt.

[MindTheGap]

It’s not all bad. I’ve had a number of decent FWBs of RHP and AMM. Hinge is better than tinder I find. Usually have sex on the first or second date. Best girls I’ve had sex with are not in the industry. Escorts and WLs are more a fantasy for me.

[Sher1888]

When datings app were not getting greedy. I was getting sex with different girls every week precovid. After covid just different. I think punting cost less, you take a girl to dinner like 3 or 4 or more dates over $120 per date less hassle.

[HiredGoon]

Marriage and the whole dating and partnership thing made sense when the trade was; I work hard, and look after you. You give me sex whenever I want as your sacred duty + look after any kids that are produced.

Lol. And there's your problem. Would you want to be in her position? Sacred duty :shout: