WL approaches you for PR sponsorship

[bobhappy888]

I’ve been approached by an ex-WL to sponsor her for PR under a subclass 820 Partner visa.

Does anyone have any experience they could share with:

1. Market price for how much the girl should pay for sponsorship
2. Timing of payment instalments and milestones
3. Methods to protect your own assets eg pre-nup
4. Whether you went down marriage or registration of de facto or proved 12 months of cohabitation

Pms are welcome if sharing sensitive info

Cheers gents

[Geoff the playboy]

Don't do it, the market price is at least $100000 and if you have assets etc you are in big trouble.

[themort]

Going rate seems to be somewhere between $20k and $50k

Absolutely crazy.

Just be careful though, the girls know they can raise a DV accusation against you, and if you're cohabiting they will get a DVO can you cannot get to your own house. Her word against yours and court always sides with the woman.

100% well discussed loopholes in the various FB groups the girls ask for advise on.

You can only sponsor once every 5 years, is it worth it?

[Niceguy11]

Sure, sounds like a great idea.

Jokes of course. Delete her contacts, stop seeing her and run for the hills. You will fuck yourself up something shocking if you go ahead with it. RUN.

[SlippinJimmy]

Never trust a whore. 💀🤷

[JSteel96]

Run as fast as you can I remember the stories of Aussie guys marrying a Russian brides back in the 90s, the visa bride moves in his house then calls the cops on the guy when he has not done anything and claims assault. The guy loses his house and half of everything he owns. I suggest you break off with her whilst you can to much risk. Also if your caught lying about your marriage spouse visa to her being legit marriage you can get in a lot of trouble with the Government.

[Spanky69]

The ex ML I was dating only offered herself as the prize, no money, you can bet that’d last a day if that.

Edit: the ML has unblocked me. So who knows.

[11Bravo]

For myself, it'd be a QUICK "no thanks". Bottom line, you're falsifying government documents, and (no personal experience), but a fraud conviction would seem to have, if not a lifetime, certainly long negative life effects (governments tend to have LONG memories for federal offenses). Not exactly something I'd want on a job application... Who's to know? Maybe no one, but then again, do you want a sword hanging over your head...

[HardCore]

Never trust a whore. ����

what he said....

[Niceguy11]

what he said....

It's the brutal truth. They can never be trusted.

[AHLUNGOR]

Heard a few stories back in the days when I was frequenting the Stanmore shop.

A few MLs in and out of the shop at the time were in certain arrangements. One example was a guy who basically was a working class, renting and not much assets. The large sum was a magical $20k, payable in different stages of the application. They share rent, share expenses, unlimited free sex at home. And no question asked. Don’t know if the ending was a happy one or nasty one, wasn’t around long enough to find out.

Another story was a young Thai girl with a young Aussie guy who were seemingly very much in love and the guy would drop the Thai ML to work at the Eros Wattle St, the incident was reviewed as part of an AR.

I’m sure these sort of thing are still happening around us.

Good luck to them all.

Cheers

[triedforonce]

Just wondering why you consider to sponsor her? Any strong chemistry? Is she really pretty and hot, etc etc.

I'm just curious, because it's not really easy to sponsor someone. You need to provide a lot of evidence, pics, text, testimony from people around you, and you might need lawyer i think, even after the payment it's not a guarantee i supposed?

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[JSteel96]

and I might add just hope the spouse visa ML don't get pregnant from another punter and then she claims the baby is yours. Your fucked up for good then.

[faruk]

Going rate seems to be somewhere between $20k and $50k

Absolutely crazy.

Just be careful though, the girls know they can raise a DV accusation against you, and if you're cohabiting they will get a DVO can you cannot get to your own house. Her word against yours and court always sides with the woman.

100% well discussed loopholes in the various FB groups the girls ask for advise on.

You can only sponsor once every 5 years, is it worth it?

Not every 5 years. You can only be a sponsor twice.

[Chauncey85]

One example was a guy who basically was a working class, renting and not much assets. The large sum was a magical $20k, payable in different stages of the application. They share rent, share expenses, unlimited free sex at home. And no question asked. Don’t know if the ending was a happy one or nasty one, wasn’t around long enough to find out.
Cheers

That sounds pretty sweet, he sounds like me I don't have shit for assets either. Hmm...

[GoldfishMan]

That sounds pretty sweet, he sounds like me I don't have shit for assets either. Hmm...

You might win the lotto after getting "married". Then what?

Ok, lotto win might be a bit farfetched, but replace it with any other more believable windfall or good fortune if you like. You never know what the future holds.

[Endo123]

Why people would go to such lengths to be able to reside permanently in such a high COL place is sometimes beyond me.


Not every 5 years. You can only be a sponsor twice.

5 years after the first sponsorship but yes twice in a lifetime though you can make an application to waive the 2 sponsorship restriction on your 3rd+ sponsorship but its really difficult to do so.

[11Bravo]

You might win the lotto after getting "married". Then what?

Ok, lotto win might be a bit farfetched, but replace it with any other more believable windfall or good fortune if you like. You never know what the future holds.

Given I don't think the cash payments would be reported for taxes, besides fraud, that's tax evasion. Those tax evasion charges seem to be easier to prove in court (just ask Al Capone).

Scenarios:

You run afoul of an acquaintance, he drops a dime (which shows how old I am)
She runs afoul of an acquaintance, or perhaps a jealous one, a dime is dropped
You're just John Smith, average, HER authoritarian government takes note of her status, asks her to provide details. No problem. 10 years from now, you have that nice government position, contract, or maybe in security, even some financial institute (where personal integrity is VALUED). Said government reaches out to YOU... "Hi, we know what you did...". Sure, the stuff of TV melodramas. BUT, those background checks, there's a reason they're looking for adverse behavior. If she's a PR, what power does her government have on her? "How's your Mom doing... or, how well will she be doing..."
If she gets caught, on the list for deportation, banning... how loyal will she be?


Sure, fiction for sure, until it isn't...

I'd ask if the short term financial gain is worth the long term risk? Statue of limitations?

[Riff888]

Only do this with a girl who has never been a WL/ML.
These days when you apply for the visa Stage 1 and pay almost $9k minus agent fees. They don't even look at it for 2 years. You have a Appy for Stage 2 after 2 years. This is so to prove you're still together. The whole process takes maybe 4 years+ these days.

[Footballpunter]

OP never responded, might already made up this mind. He's at least open the idea since he's actually not asking if he should do it or not, but rather how is it done. God bless...

[phoenix555]

$20-50k is too cheap, should be about $100k now with inflation and all.
Imagine the hassle you need to going through, 3-4 years you need to keep contact maybe daily basis because gov want to check the log (print out from provider website) to make sure the marriage is legit
need photo proof as well,
also i heard they might show up on your address to check if you live together (am not sure if they announced it previously or not), so you need to keep girl clothes for in case they visit?
and in meantime you cant marry someone else within this timeframe.

[Folcis]

This question will probably pop up more and more here as the government crack down on both dodgy providers and "non genuine" students. I imagine ML/WL will be a disproportionate percentage of those affected...

My own two cents is that my sleep at night factor would stop me from getting involved in helping someone out.

[JSteel96]

They now also make videos of the person being sponsored in their job or home so its just not worth committing fraud even for 100k. I think they also want sworn letters from friends and family from both people. Then comes the hassle of trying to divorce her after all is done even if they got away with it. all up not worth it. The OP coming back to comment?

[Chauncey85]

Just sayin, if any pretty Japanese MLs start dropping those sort of hints at ya, PM me

[Folcis]

They now also make videos of the person being sponsored in their job or home so its just not worth committing fraud even for 100k. I think they also want sworn letters from friends and family from both people.

100% - this is exactly the sleep at night factor I was talking about. And it follows after you for years after you think it is a done deal and all sorted too. You are making a fraudulent declaration and asking others to make statements which they may or may not know to be untrue.

It would need to be a lot more than $100K to convince me. And definitely not with a WL.

[JSteel96]

Even not for a million dollars as all yours and her family and friends would have to know about her, then they ask what does she do for a living? That to do you state shes an ML / WL on the application or lie? Back ground check on the lady in question might reveal some things to. Its just not worth it. Maybe the OP has fallen in love with his WL thinking with his dick not his mind. Face the fact if shes a WL shes slept with hundreds of guys and maybe trying to seduce the OP.

[fnmfnmfnm]

Why people would go to such lengths to be able to reside permanently in such a high COL place is sometimes beyond me.



5 years after the first sponsorship but yes twice in a lifetime though you can make an application to waive the 2 sponsorship restriction on your 3rd+ sponsorship but its really difficult to do so.

COL easy to achieve when you’re a good looking whore

[Endo123]

COL easy to achieve when you’re a good looking whore

Yeah but you're subjecting yourself to being a whore (unless you find a sugar daddy).

[Riff888]

You need signed confirmation of the relationship from both sides, has to be Australian citizens.
They can rock up to your house at anytime unannounced.
They check social media for pictures together.
They ask for pictures with your family and her family, so yes, they expect you have been overseas to meet her family.
Most important is finances. They look at your joint account and check money going in and out and how your day to day spending goes.
They ask about living arrangements, household chores and cooking.
If you use fraudulent documents, it could be a prison sentence.
It's heaps stricter than say 5 years ago.

[dt333]

.................

[Double_Adapter]

FMD...the juice ain't worth the fucken squeeze!

Hopefully the OP will report back with a PR AR.

[andrewv]

Why on Earth do some men go looking for trouble?! As if the Immigration Department is blind, and especially when it comes to Asian women. Forms to be filled have serious legal warnings and lying under oath could result in a prison term.

[Kiki kong]

...the juice ain't worth the fucken squeeze!


This is bloody good. I have to use this saying 😂

[Kiki kong]

Why on Earth do some men go looking for trouble?! As if the Immigration Department is blind, and especially when it comes to Asian women. Forms to be filled have serious legal warnings and lying under oath could result in a prison term.

Totally agree, it's practically playing Russian roulette with 3 bullets in the barrel. It's all fun and games till you get slapped with a cock in your mouth in prison.

[JIMTAM2016]

The market rate is around 100k-120k cash to the sponsor, and usually there is an agency helping all the paperworks and etc.
The process is not easy, and quite a long process, at least 3 years minimum. My friend who was waiting for 5+ years for her PR, but this is the real marriage. And a lot quicker if you have kid together (are you willing to? Or will she find the way to make you do it?)

I don't think it's worth the risk, 100k+ is not worth all the risk that you would have. You might even lose more than that if you have asset and the girl knows how to play her game well. Unless you are really really really willing to help her, and really really willing to lose more than you gain..... then, go for it. But, good luck.....

[kayofa]

You need signed confirmation of the relationship from both sides, has to be Australian citizens.
They can rock up to your house at anytime unannounced.
They check social media for pictures together.
They ask for pictures with your family and her family, so yes, they expect you have been overseas to meet her family.
Most important is finances. They look at your joint account and check money going in and out and how your day to day spending goes.
They ask about living arrangements, household chores and cooking.
If you use fraudulent documents, it could be a prison sentence.
It's heaps stricter than say 5 years ago.

Signed confirmation that they've joined you in a 'menage a trois' before?
Rock up to your house while you're doing the deed together? Do they even check if it's CFS or BBFS?
Can you send them a Pornhub or OF video and photos of the two of you attempting creampie finish, provided they pay for the subscription?

Which section of the law states that it is a prison sentence for falsifying documents or statements during a visa application?

[kayofa]

Why on Earth do some men go looking for trouble?! As if the Immigration Department is blind, and especially when it comes to Asian women. Forms to be filled have serious legal warnings and lying under oath could result in a prison term.

Same person, multiple accounts writing BS. Never trust an account made back in 2012 still active until today.

[Spanky69]

Everything on vBulletin can be modified. Join date, post date etc etc

What I like is the plugin that lets you generate thousands of accounts per hour. No email addy required. An operator can run numerous accounts at the same time, two people can share the same account at once.

Possibilities are endless.

[GoldfishMan]

Same person, multiple accounts writing BS. Never trust an account made back in 2012 still active until today.

Same person to whom? Honest question... I too have had my suspicions.

[AHLUNGOR]

Never trust an account made back in 2012 still active until today.

So, are you saying a member registered in 2024 is more trustworthy than a foundation member?

Seriously ?

[Spanky69]

So, are you saying a member registered in 2024 is more trustworthy than a foundation member?

Seriously ?

I once worked with a totally useless guy. Move forward thirty years and he fell into the GM roll through attrition. Still useless as ever. Wouldn’t even take my call when I referred a client. Still bears ill feeling because I treated him shit way back then. Well guess what, he lost more business due to his continuing stupidity.

Why would a foundation member be any different?

[GoldfishMan]

So, are you saying a member registered in 2024 is more trustworthy than a foundation member?

Seriously ?

You know what's suss? When a well known troll is mass ignored by most others, yet they take it upon themselves to always reply to the troll posts with QUOTE.

Yeah sure, he's replying "negatively" to the troll. He's done this before when nobody wants to engage with him. What a crazy lunatic, geezus.

Just based on the clearly deliberate quoted replies, I can tell who's who.

[Spanky69]

You know what's suss? When a well known troll is mass ignored by most others, yet they take it upon themselves to always reply to the troll posts with QUOTE.

Yeah sure, he's replying "negatively" to the troll. He's done this before when nobody wants to engage with him. What a crazy lunatic, geezus.

Just based on the clearly deliberate quoted replies, I can tell who's who.



Goldfinger you’re obviously an Astro physicist, way way too smart to be wasting your time with the hoi polloi. Shouldn’t you be reinventing something?

I’ve never been called a troll before either. With half a million posts on another forum I’ve never been called a troll. Only on this site. Considering the daily post tally is so small it’s very easy to stand out amongst others.

How many posts to your credit Goldfinger? A couple of thousand methinks. Let’s get down to the nitty gritty. You don’t like me because I punt a lot and you don’t. Thats the bottom line. There’s a very easy fix. Work work work and more work. It’ll even make you feel younger and look younger. Then you’ll have the money to do precisely what you want to do. Hell, you can even give some money away to the sex workers in a feel good moment!

Ya see, I’ve prescribed a simple fix for ye woes!

Didn’t even charge.

Bet ya don’t thank me!

[ColesBag]

They now also make videos of the person being sponsored in their job or home so its just not worth committing fraud even for 100k. I think they also want sworn letters from friends and family from both people. Then comes the hassle of trying to divorce her after all is done even if they got away with it. all up not worth it. The OP coming back to comment?

I was going to say this. They're not fucking around these days with this sort of arrangements. The guy needs to immerse himself in the part & lie to essentially every single person in his personal & professional life & on top of that hope that immigration doesn't smell a rat & declare the whole thing null & void because they will be checking & you wouldn't believe how far they're going these days. And if that all happens can you trust her not to financially butt fuck you with divorce or whatever conveniently after her PR is granted.

Still game OP? I suggest you look both ways before crossing the street.

[Niceguy11]

I was going to say this. They're not fucking around these days with this sort of arrangements. The guy needs to immerse himself in the part & lie to essentially every single person in his personal & professional life & on top of that hope that immigration doesn't smell a rat & declare the whole thing null & void because they will be checking & you wouldn't believe how far they're going these days. And if that all happens can you trust her not to financially butt fuck you with divorce or whatever conveniently after her PR is granted.

Still game OP? I suggest you look both ways before crossing the street.

Its just not worth it. If its a legit relationship, different story. Even if a WL was to give me a million, no way I would do it.

[ReginaldBubbles]

With half a million posts on another forum I’ve never been called a troll.

Wow! Over how many years? Over ten years thats 136 posts a day!

[blk53]

Don't do it, the market price is at least $100000 and if you have assets etc you are in big trouble.

100% agree. Just dont do it lol.

[Spanky69]

Wow! Over how many years? Over ten years thats 136 posts a day!

A few more years than that. On X I’ve clocked over 1000 per day. They were on a laptop. Here I use my phone and there’s no motivation to push the tempo.

[RLC]

Far too risky for this these days, especially with social media etc to assist in catching you out.

[Axeman123]

Don't do it, the market price is at least $100000 and if you have assets etc you are in big trouble. Please excuse my ignorance, but the $100,000 figure does that mean what it costs with legitimate department fee's n charges or what a woman would be prepared to pay a sponsor? Either way that's a shit load of money.

[JIMTAM2016]

Please excuse my ignorance, but the $100,000 figure does that mean what it costs with legitimate department fee's n charges or what a woman would be prepared to pay a sponsor? Either way that's a shit load of money.
100k, pure cash to the sponsor. Get paid in instalments, with the last one before they submit the PR application or something.
Other fees like agency fees, visa, etc are all payable by the girl.

Don't think 100k is a lot, considering how long it takes, how risky it is. Normal person with a job won't do it..

My friend does it, and besides all the fees just mentioned, he also has to pay a girl living wages on top, as now, they are couples, and the girl gets paid less from the centrelink or something.So, he has to pay the different. He also has to rent a place with two rooms, and also cover all rents..

[Axeman123]

100k, pure cash to the sponsor. Get paid in instalments, with the last one before they submit the PR application or something.
Other fees like agency fees, visa, etc are all payable by the girl.

Don't think 100k is a lot, considering how long it takes, how risky it is. Normal person with a job won't do it..

My friend does it, and besides all the fees just mentioned, he also has to pay a girl living wages on top, as now, they are couples, and the girl gets paid less from the centrelink or something.So, he has to pay the different. He also has to rent a place with two rooms, and also cover all rents.. Aus must really be the Lucky Country. Thanks.

[JSteel96]

Your friend is committing fraud on the Australian Government. He has to pay her wages for living expenses, rent and everything else. Is she a WL and still seeing other guys? Does she now have access to all his personal bank and investments? Code for his safe? It is just not worth it by the end the whole 100K is spent on her and he is left with nothing, Whats the deal when she gets her visa? Divorce? Has he lied to all his friends and family that they are a real couple? This just seems like a stupid dumb thing to do. Just hope that Centerlink don't catch him out in the end or that would equal prison time.

[bobhappy888]

Thanks folks

It seems the market price is around $130-150K

No doubt a high risk option - but if you were someone with little cash and assets then you might consider

[Double_Adapter]

Thanks folks

It seems the market price is around $130-150K

No doubt a high risk option - but if you were someone with little cash and assets then you might consider

The rare card is between $80k-$150k (plus extras).

The reality is that corruption is rife across all levels of governments in both state and federal. Our laws and policies (both internal and external) are a fucken joke and beyond repair. We have fucken criminals, terrorists, rapists, illegal immigrants, fake political asylum seekers etc being given free entry into this country and access to its resources as well as free handouts. Criminal activities across the nation is on the increase due to our lax laws, weak immigration policies, and spineless governments. So it's no wonder PR scams is rampant here. The traditional scenario of that divorced/single 65 yr old fat overweight Anglo battler going overseas to marry that young Filipino, Thai, East European bride is out the fucken window (too obvious and sticks out like dog's testicles). Foreigners seeking PR are opting for locals of the same race/nationality or for racial minorities (ie race card). These PR scams are particularly rampant amongst the lower socio-economic demographics. The loopholes are there to be exploited and they are being exploited. It's fucked, but it is what it is.

[JIMTAM2016]

Your friend is committing fraud on the Australian Government. He has to pay her wages for living expenses, rent and everything else. Is she a WL and still seeing other guys? Does she now have access to all his personal bank and investments? Code for his safe? It is just not worth it by the end the whole 100K is spent on her and he is left with nothing, Whats the deal when she gets her visa? Divorce? Has he lied to all his friends and family that they are a real couple? This just seems like a stupid dumb thing to do. Just hope that Centerlink don't catch him out in the end or that would equal prison time.
No, as they have to make it real, so they have to live under the same roof. So, my friend (who needs PR) has to cover the rent for the girl (who lived with her parents), so she can move in the second bedroom.

Besides rent, only has to pay the difference between what the centrelink pays before and after the marriage (some benefits are assessed by the family threhold). The sponsor (Aussie girl) is very young, around 19, so no job and still in uni.

And, also, part of the deal, they have to go out together like real couples sometimes for the photos (the immigration will ask this). He also has to cover the cost.

Once my friend gets PR, they will gradually moving out, and then will terminate whatever after 1 year separation.

Of course, this is a fraud, I'm not supporting it, but it's happening everywhere, just like corruption. It is what it is.

[JIMTAM2016]

Thanks folks

It seems the market price is around $130-150K

No doubt a high risk option - but if you were someone with little cash and assets then you might consider

What I know is girl seeking guy is cheaper, 100-120k. Guy looking for girl is 120k north.

I know a couple doing this. They are not married, but living under the same roof, and have kids together. Under the gov, they are two individuals.

What they do is the husband doing the fake spouse sponsorship to get money. After few years, wife will sponsor another person. Rinse and repeat, untill reaching the cap or something (I think 10 years ago, you can sponsor up to 5 people or something, not sure now). They have a lawyer helping them, and they know their way.
I'm pretty sure they are cash rich and have multiple properties across Sydney. Really unfair for the hard working people.

[JSteel96]

How much is she getting paid for her to sponsor him apart from Centerlink payments I mean like is he giving her a large cash payment? Her parents seem okay with what shes doing? Or they believe they are really together? and shes living in a second bedroom what do they do when dept of immigration want to see their place and notice shes not even living in the same room? I hope your friend and the girl don't get caught in their own lie.

[JSteel96]

That would be right fraud and they own multiple properties and cashing in on Centerlink payments. Whilst other people working low paid jobs and struggle to pay $800+ a weeks rent and can't cover their bills without credit cards. Man that stinks.

[JIMTAM2016]

How much is she getting paid for her to sponsor him apart from Centerlink payments I mean like is he giving her a large cash payment? Her parents seem okay with what shes doing? Or they believe they are really together? and shes living in a second bedroom what do they do when dept of immigration want to see their place and notice shes not even living in the same room? I hope your friend and the girl don't get caught in their own lie.

Well, the 100k one to the girl. This is not a one payment, this is in fact spread across few years. They have a lawyer, so, I don't think anyone knowor suspicious. If they do, the lawyer will take care of it.

Sounds unreal, but what he told me is this thing is from the girl mum. The mum knows my friend's relative, and the mum suggests her daughter to do it. So, close friends and close family know it.

[JIMTAM2016]

That would be right fraud and they own multiple properties and cashing in on Centerlink payments. Whilst other people working low paid jobs and struggle to pay $800+ a weeks rent and can't cover their bills without credit cards. Man that stinks.

It really stinks. But there are heaps of Centrelink payment frauds across Australia.
There are heaps of single parents who still receive Centrelink payments, who still live with their partners, and still have a cash in hand job.
It's extremely unfair.....

[ReginaldBubbles]

A few more years than that. On X I’ve clocked over 1000 per day. They were on a laptop. Here I use my phone and there’s no motivation to push the tempo.

So if you’re online for 18 hours that’s more than a post minute. You need to be more realistic with your fiction.

[Footballpunter]

So if you’re online for 18 hours that’s more than a post minute. You need to be more realistic with your fiction.

Dude, at this point just ignore Vincent. If no one response, then he will get bored and go tell other ppl that he’s dating or dated ml/wl.

[JSteel96]

The worst part is they are property owners and cash rich doing that fraud and someone else struggles to put food on the table and pay their rent.

[JSteel96]

Well, the 100k one to the girl. This is not a one payment, this is in fact spread across few years. They have a lawyer, so, I don't think anyone knowor suspicious. If they do, the lawyer will take care of it.

Sounds unreal, but what he told me is this thing is from the girl mum. The mum knows my friend's relative, and the mum suggests her daughter to do it. So, close friends and close family know it.

she got permission from her mum oh well mums the word.

[dotcumdotinyou]

I have to agree with Reggie here vinnie.

To post that much on several different forums you wouldn't have time for a piss let alone going out on lunch dates with MLs. It must piss you off when centrelink insists you go out and search for a job or they'll cut your jobsearch allowance.

[Spanky69]

I was almost going to have a ten min power kip. Glanced this thread and had to respond.



So if you’re online for 18 hours that’s more than a post minute. You need to be more realistic with your fiction.

That forum with the 500k posts, join date was July 2009 so almost 15 years ago do the maths.

Think outside the box Reginald. Not the box between her legs mkay. I have a plethora of accounts everywhere not just on forums.

Running numerous X profiles open at once it’s very easy to copy paste across multiple accounts with the same content. Yes. Over 1000 in a day.



Dude, at this point just ignore Vincent. If no one response, then he will get bored and go tell other ppl that he’s dating or dated ml/wl.

Responds….a dating tidbit just for you Fp, so I made a mistake about that WL and her keeping me hanging. I had given her the option of last weekend or this coming weekend, my bad. Perhaps I shouldn’t glance at everything and actually read. She has another week to stay in my good books. She’s nice and I’m sure she’s still in bed to use forum vernacular, well according to her roster she is. Perhaps one of you guys have pumped her today, who knows, who cares?



I have to agree with Reggie here vinnie.

To post that much on several different forums you wouldn't have time for a piss let alone going out on lunch dates with MLs. It must piss you off when centrelink insists you go out and search for a job or they'll cut your jobsearch allowance.

Jebus, dotty you’ thought you cooked my goose but not quite. I post while I’m walking, talking, in the toilet, etc etc everyone knows my business is my phone. Do you watch TV, I don’t. How many hours are spent by people doing just that? It’s like twelve hours per week on no money making, right!

Getting back to why. It’s a business amongst other things. Why waste time online unless it pays? How does this site pay? Financially it doesn’t, but I’m currently now dating several sex workers. I suppose you could say thats a pay off? Yeah they cost money but what hobby doesn’t. Don’t you guys spend on your women? Maybe not. You’ll spend on cars, boats etc but not tip the women, why? Do you tell the missus “ darling I’ve spent $50k on a tinny”, lol I’m sure you’ll get a a benefit from that… perhaps there is a benefit, peace and solitude on the serene waters. Maybe owning a tinny is a good thing.

To each their own poison.

[Double_Adapter]

Getting back to why. It’s a business amongst other things. Why waste time online unless it pays? How does this site pay? Financially it doesn’t, but I’m currently now dating several sex workers. I suppose you could say thats a pay off? Yeah they cost money but what hobby doesn’t. Don’t you guys spend on your women? Maybe not. You’ll spend on cars, boats etc but not tip the women, why? Do you tell the missus “ darling I’ve spent $50k on a tinny”, lol I’m sure you’ll get a a benefit from that… perhaps there is a benefit, peace and solitude on the serene waters. Maybe owning a tinny is a good thing.

To each their own poison.

They say the two happiest days in a bloke's life is the day he buys a boat, and the day he sells it.

On the subject of tinnie's, there's only two types worth considering, one is wrapped in aluminium foil, and the other is inside a aluminium can.

And on the subject of poison, there's no better poison than a raw doggin your side chick

[ReginaldBubbles]

Dude, at this point just ignore Vincent. If no one response, then he will get bored and go tell other ppl that he’s dating or dated ml/wl.

Good advice, you’re right

[GoldfishMan]

Is it really fraud though, when 2 individuals are willing? I mean, it doesn't say "true love required" in the law.

I know of some couples who are in situations that I would say are even shittier than these sponsored visas. For example, a husband has to pay literally every cent he earns to the wife and kids, leaving nothing for himself and he's going through life in misery. Or the other way around, deadbeat husbands who live off their wives' earnings. Most of these couples have no love left between them. They practically hate each other, each one rueing the day they started their relationships. Yet they're still married. Would you call them fraudulent as well?

I guess what I'm trying to say is it's a very blurred line and it's no wonder people try to game it and the Gov has trouble exerting control over it. Almost every desirable destination has a green card program and all of them get gamed to some extent.

[Spanky69]

Good advice, you’re right

Reggie how could you go this to me after all we’ve been through. The thrust and parry of forum life is taking its toll on ye! Don’t back down, back me up! Agreeing with some pommy punter isn’t the way things are done! There’s us and then there’s them!

Besides who am I going to tell my dating adventures to? With four SWs on the go life is getting hectic. I’m having trouble organising everything! Dates, sex, more dating, more sex, when, who, where, etc etc I almost need a personal assistant just to make sure everything runs smoothly! Plus on top of that I have a proper GF and my punting life to adhere to.

Some days I wonder why I bother.

[PELTERS]

I was going to say this. They're not fucking around these days with this sort of arrangements. The guy needs to immerse himself in the part & lie to essentially every single person in his personal & professional life & on top of that hope that immigration doesn't smell a rat & declare the whole thing null & void because they will be checking & you wouldn't believe how far they're going these days. And if that all happens can you trust her not to financially butt fuck you with divorce or whatever conveniently after her PR is granted.

Still game OP? I suggest you look both ways before crossing the street.Or choose to do it properly and truthfully and without extortion. Just saying.

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