Sydney man who paid escorts with bounced checks charged with rape

[GoldfishMan]

In the news, hope you can get past the pay wall:
https://www.smh.com.au/national/nsw/sydney-businessman-charged-with-raping-10-women-in-case-unlike-any-other-20240711-p5jsqm.html?_gl=1*9te9g2*_ga*NzExODUyODYuMTY2NDgzN DI1NA..

[asnabc]

Imagine being that mans wife. She is heavily pregnant, trying to bail that fraudulent husband to support the family.

[legitl]

Hope he gets the book thrown at him.

[rooter]

Who the fuck still pays by cheque these days?
I haven't seen a cheque for years.
Is there still such thing as a cheque book?

[GoldfishMan]

Lol, apparently there is still. Can't believe how low some people will go to score a free root.

[JuneC]

must be the indians hahahaha

[rooter]

Lol, apparently there is still. Can't believe how low some people will go to score a free root.

I think young guys reading that article would have to Google what a "cheque" is :)

[Ziggurat]

In the news, hope you can get past the pay wall:
https://www.smh.com.au/national/nsw/sydney-businessman-charged-with-raping-10-women-in-case-unlike-any-other-20240711-p5jsqm.html?_gl=1*9te9g2*_ga*NzExODUyODYuMTY2NDgzN DI1NA..

That link is behind a paywall as you said, could you copy and paste the text over to here please.

The legals of this seem to be arguable. Eg, not paying a bill for goods and services is considered to be a civil matter and the police go nowwhere near those.

[Abracadabra]

That link is behind a paywall as you said, could you copy and paste the text over to here please.

The legals of this seem to be arguable. Eg, not paying a bill for goods and services is considered to be a civil matter and the police go nowwhere near those.

Yeah, that was my take.
The elements of rape (assault, consent etc ) don't relate to the method of payment ?

[rooter]

Wonder what happens if a guy pays with crypto currency, that becomes worthless overnight?

[Radoush]

Crypto just take stable coins like USDT

[personaa]

That link is behind a paywall as you said, could you copy and paste the text over to here please.

The legals of this seem to be arguable. Eg, not paying a bill for goods and services is considered to be a civil matter and the police go nowwhere near those.

Just a couple of paragraphs about the case:

Detective Amy O’Neill, charged Sarian with 32 counts of sexual intercourse without consent, three counts of carrying out a sexual act without consent and two counts of sexual touching without consent.

The number of alleged victims and charges would make Sarian one of the most prolific rapists in Sydney if the charges are proven at trial – but legal minds are watching closely because the case will be a major test of new consent laws.

Those laws were introduced in NSW two years ago following the advocacy of Saxon Mullins.

‘New territory’
One of the lesser-known changes, “fraudulent inducement”, protects sex workers from clients who deceitfully promise money but then hand over an empty envelope or a dud cheque.

Sarian appeared via videolink at Downing Centre, where his barrister, Brad Williams, asked the court to grant bail.

“There’s not been a case like this in NSW, we are venturing into new territory,” Williams said.

[pornonporn]

A self-proclaimed “humanist venture capitalist” from Sydney’s north has been charged with dozens of rapes and sex crimes against 10 women after he allegedly paid for sex acts using bad cheques.
The case, which can only be revealed after this masthead won a legal bid over court officials who had blocked the release of public documents, will be a major test of “new territory” in NSW consent laws.Court documents allege Mark Sarian, 35, sexually abused the women at Mascot, Rose Bay and in central Sydney between February and June.
Sarian allegedly organised to have sex with the women, sometimes two at a time and sometimes asking them to urinate on him, before giving them the worthless cheques.
“The fraud done by [Sarian] is well-thought-out but somewhat simple,” a police prosecutor said in Downing Centre Local Court on Wednesday.
Sarian would allegedly pay using cheques drawn from a closed bank account. The cheques would initially appear valid but later bounced, police claim.
“There is CCTV of multiple locations, including ATMs, where the alleged fraudulent actions took place,” the prosecutor told the court.
“There are mobile phone communications with the complainants in [Sarian’s] name and photographs of himself sent to the complainants.”
Sarian often posts online about his consultancy business, Babylon, and describes himself as a “bon vivant”, “humanist at heart”, and “empath” who has explored the rural villages of Asia.
The NSW Police Sex Crimes Squad set up Strike Force Angla in May, and the businessman was arrested on June 14.Angla’s investigator, Detective Amy O’Neill, charged Sarian with 32 counts of sexual intercourse without consent, three counts of carrying out a sexual act without consent and two counts of sexual touching without consent.
The number of alleged victims and charges would make Sarian one of the most prolific rapists in Sydney if the charges are proven at trial – but legal minds are watching closely because the case will be a major test of new consent laws.
Those laws were introduced in NSW two years ago following the advocacy of Saxon Mullins.‘New territory’
One of the lesser-known changes, “fraudulent inducement”, protects sex workers from clients who deceitfully promise money but then hand over an empty envelope or a dud cheque.
Sarian appeared via videolink at Downing Centre, where his barrister, Brad Williams, asked the court to grant bail.
“There’s not been a case like this in NSW, we are venturing into new territory,” Williams said.
Magistrate Daniel Covington said he had never seen a matter like it.
“If [this new law] did not exist, the prosecution case would be problematic, to say the least, but the presence of that law clearly affects and increases the strength of the case,” Covington said.
“It will come down to that inducement and the link to consent.”
“I can’t say it’s a weak case.”
Since his arrest, Sarian has been held on remand in prison and has not entered a plea.
His heavily pregnant wife watched from the public gallery. The family had offered up $50,000 for him to be released on bail.
Williams told the court that Sarian’s mother was battling cancer, and he was unable to provide for his family while behind bars.
A lawyer for this masthead also appeared in court on Wednesday to argue for the release of Sarian’s charging documents.
The Downing Centre Local Court registrar had blocked the release of the documents last week because they contained details of serious sexual offences.
It is illegal to publish the names and identities of alleged victims of sexual crimes, and journalists can be prosecuted for breaching the law.
It is not illegal to release court documents to journalists, though the Downing Centre has a longstanding policy of refusing to release them.
But, as Covington noted, it is “consistent with open justice” for journalists to view court documents, and it’s neither unusual nor controversial for them to be released.
“The media wish to accurately publish details in relation to the matter, and their accuracy involves them looking at the documents,” he said.
‘Significant public interest’
This masthead’s executive counsel, Larina Alick, told the court that Sarian’s case held significant public interest and that the registrar had made an error in refusing to release documents.
“The Sarian proceedings involve several issues of public interest: the lived experiences of sex workers and how they are treated by their clients; how allegations of sexual offences are addressed by police, prosecutors and the judicial system; and exposing a wide variety of public preconceptions and misconceptions about sex work,” Alick said in a written submission.
Covington released the documents but refused Sarian’s release on bail, saying he could not ignore the number of complainants and charges.
The case will return in August.
Support is available from the National Sexual Assault, Domestic Family Violence Counselling Service at 1800RESPECT (1800 737 732).

[gco0307]

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Sydney businessman charged with sex crimes against 10 women in case ‘unlike any other’
smh.com.au/national/nsw/sydney-businessman-charged-with-raping-10-women-in-case-unlike-any-other-20240711-p5jsqm.html
Perry DuffinJuly 11, 2024
Mark Sarian is accused of 37 sexual crimes against 10 women after he allegedly failed to pay for sex work.
Sarian often posts online about his consultancy business, Babylon, and describes himself as a “bon vivant”, “humanist at heart”, and “empath” who has explored the rural villages of Asia.

The NSW Police Sex Crimes Squad set up Strike Force Angla in May, and the businessman was arrested on June 14.

Sarian, 35, has been held in prison since his arrest in June. A bid to secure bail this week failed.
Sarian, 35, has been held in prison since his arrest in June. A bid to secure bail this week failed.

Angla’s investigator, Detective Amy O’Neill, charged Sarian with 32 counts of sexual intercourse without consent, three counts of carrying out a sexual act without consent and two counts of sexual touching without consent.

The number of alleged victims and charges would make Sarian one of the most prolific rapists in Sydney if the charges are proven at trial – but legal minds are watching closely because the case will be a major test of new consent laws.

Those laws were introduced in NSW two years ago following the advocacy of Saxon Mullins.

‘New territory’
One of the lesser-known changes, “fraudulent inducement”, protects sex workers from clients who deceitfully promise money but then hand over an empty envelope or a dud cheque.

Sarian appeared via videolink at Downing Centre, where his barrister, Brad Williams, asked the court to grant bail.

“There’s not been a case like this in NSW, we are venturing into new territory,” Williams said.

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Magistrate Daniel Covington said he had never seen a matter like it.

“If [this new law] did not exist, the prosecution case would be problematic, to say the least, but the presence of that law clearly affects and increases the strength of the case,” Covington said.

“It will come down to that inducement and the link to consent.”

“I can’t say it’s a weak case.”

Since his arrest, Sarian has been held on remand in prison and has not entered a plea.

His heavily pregnant wife watched from the public gallery. The family had offered up $50,000 for him to be released on bail.

Williams told the court that Sarian’s mother was battling cancer, and he was unable to provide for his family while behind bars.

A lawyer for this masthead also appeared in court on Wednesday to argue for the release of Sarian’s charging documents.

The Downing Centre Local Court registrar had blocked the release of the documents last week because they contained details of serious sexual offences.

It is illegal to publish the names and identities of alleged victims of sexual crimes, and journalists can be prosecuted for breaching the law.

It is not illegal to release court documents to journalists, though the Downing Centre has a longstanding policy of refusing to release them.

But, as Covington noted, it is “consistent with open justice” for journalists to view court documents, and it’s neither unusual nor controversial for them to be released.

“The media wish to accurately publish details in relation to the matter, and their accuracy involves them looking at the documents,” he said.

‘Significant public interest’
This masthead’s executive counsel, Larina Alick, told the court that Sarian’s case held significant public interest and that the registrar had made an error in refusing to release documents.

“The Sarian proceedings involve several issues of public interest: the lived experiences of sex workers and how they are treated by their clients; how allegations of sexual offences are addressed by police, prosecutors and the judicial system; and exposing a wide variety of public preconceptions and misconceptions about sex work,” Alick said in a written submission.

Covington released the documents but refused Sarian’s release on bail, saying he could not ignore the number of complainants and charges.

The case will return in August.

[ReginaldBubbles]

That link is behind a paywall as you said, could you copy and paste the text over to here please.

The legals of this seem to be arguable. Eg, not paying a bill for goods and services is considered to be a civil matter and the police go nowwhere near those.

You can read it and see his pic by pasting the link into removepaywall.com

[ReginaldBubbles]

must be the indians hahahaha

Sarian is apparently an Armenian surname but mostly found in the US and France these days. Pic doesn't look Indian at all.

hahaha

[thefatness]

This reminds me of Catch Me If You Can when leo’s character pays a girl with a bad cheque

[mn69]

Damn. A Rape charge.
Well I guess the agreement was "consensual" sex on the premises that he paid.
If he didn't pay, then it is "non-consensual" as he didn't hold up his end of the deal.
Im not a Lawyer, if any of our legal-minded bros can explain what happened here.

[ReginaldBubbles]

Damn. A Rape charge.
Well I guess the agreement was "consensual" sex on the premises that he paid.
If he didn't pay, then it is "non-consensual" as he didn't hold up his end of the deal.
Im not a Lawyer, if any of our legal-minded bros can explain what happened here.

Have you read the article?

[ReginaldBubbles]

Damn. A Rape charge.
Well I guess the agreement was "consensual" sex on the premises that he paid.
If he didn't pay, then it is "non-consensual" as he didn't hold up his end of the deal.
Im not a Lawyer, if any of our legal-minded bros can explain what happened here.

"The number of alleged victims and charges would make Sarian one of the most prolific rapists in Sydney if the charges are proven at trial – but legal minds are watching closely because the case will be a major test of new consent laws.

Those laws were introduced in NSW two years ago following the advocacy of Saxon Mullins.

‘New territory’
One of the lesser-known changes, “fraudulent inducement”, protects sex workers from clients who deceitfully promise money but then hand over an empty envelope or a dud cheque."

[mcfly]

Wonder what happens if a guy pays with crypto currency, that becomes worthless overnight?

At the time of a transaction the coins have a given value. After that whatever happens is the responsibility of the escort.

[mindboggler]

must be the indians hahahaha

Always one numbnut who comes up with something like this.

[Niceguy11]

That link is behind a paywall as you said, could you copy and paste the text over to here please.

The legals of this seem to be arguable. Eg, not paying a bill for goods and services is considered to be a civil matter and the police go nowwhere near those.

Use this link bro. Copy and paste this link: https://www.removepaywall.com/

Then copy and paste OP's SMH link. I'm reading it right now and it works.

[aussiegaigin]

Use this link bro. Copy and paste this link: https://www.removepaywall.com/

Then copy and paste OP's SMH link. I'm reading it right now and it works.

The article was posted here yesterday.

[carmen farquis]

The article was posted here yesterday.

like bubbles said you can also see his pic by removing paywall

[tcrawford]

Well I guess the agreement was "consensual" sex on the premises that he paid.
If he didn't pay, then it is "non-consensual" as he didn't hold up his end of the deal.


This is exactly how I see it.

A girl once told me that she had a booking and the boss told her diamond service as she was heading towards the room, or at least she said she heard the boss say diamond. The customer had only paid for nuru massage and so when she entered the room she confirmed with customer that it was diamond. Of course the customer being a lowlife and seeing the opportunity said yes and they proceeded to do diamond service.

At the end of her shift she got paid and was short of what she was expecting and worked out that the first customer only paid for nuru. The boss denied she said diamond and didn't reimburse the girl and so the girl provided FS at no extra charge. Was the customer obligated to be honest? I guess this would be considered non-consensual if they are debating this.

[Niceguy11]

The article was posted here yesterday.

Shit. My bad lol.

[uplatelately]

Imagine being that mans wife. She is heavily pregnant, trying to bail that fraudulent husband to support the family.

Poor woman, I hope she has the support she is gonig to need. This guys seems like the worst kind of charlatan tech bro entrepreneur wannabe, usually pretty toxic to those closest to them...

[Skegg]

Open smh.com.au in chrome. Hit F12, within chrome Dev tools select network request blocking and add domain "*.piano.io" reload page ad free.

[dudelove]

Imagine being that mans wife. She is heavily pregnant, trying to bail that fraudulent husband to support the family.
The same with jaryd haynes wife. She going to court with him supporting him for raping that woman.
Even though he said its consensual. Either way his wife is ok with it because she doesnt want to lose his money

[mn69]

The same with jaryd haynes wife. She going to court with him supporting him for raping that woman.
Even though he said its consensual. Either way his wife is ok with it because she doesnt want to lose his money

Women are generally okay to share a top 1% wealthy man with other women as long as she is taken care of.

Its been like this since the beginning of time. Even Kings, Emperors & Shoguns had harems of women

Only the average man is socially expected to just have one woman & stick with one woman.

[andrewv]

Here is his LinkedIn profile https://www.linkedin.com/in/marksarian/

[andrewv]

In legal terms, it is rape if a man gets a sexual service and then refuses to pay for it.

New expression in law, called “fraudulent inducement”, protects sex workers from clients who deceitfully promise money but then hand over an empty envelope or a dud cheque.

[Calves]

Calling it now his wife is asian. This guy is gunna come out of prison with no wife and no career all because he didn't want to pay to get pissed on.

[mn69]

Calling it now his wife is asian. This guy is gunna come out of prison with no wife and no career all because he didn't want to pay to get pissed on.

For a so called tech entrepreneur, he was being cheap, not paying these girls

I reckon the wife is either Thai or Filipina. He looks like "that" type.

[themort]

Lol, apparently there is still. Can't believe how low some people will go to score a free root.

I don't know how the scam works but Indians are hitting shops with a PayID scam where they show sending money but I am guessing call the bank in the 24hr "first transfer" window and cancel it.

[keebab]

He's about to get all the free sex he can handle in the SuperMax.

[mn69]

He's about to get all the free sex he can handle in the SuperMax.

Except he will be bottom and on the receiving end

[fnmfnmfnm]

Consent being contingent on payment could open up a massive can of worms imo

[gco0307]

The same with jaryd haynes wife. She going to court with him supporting him for raping that woman.
Even though he said its consensual. Either way his wife is ok with it because she doesnt want to lose his money

Hayne married his wife in 2021.
The alleged 'rape' occurred in 2018, well before he married (as did the other case in the US).
If she believes him to be innocent then she is simply supporting her partner and not 'wanting to lose money' is likely not at play given the figures it has been said to have cost him to date (legal costs etc).

[Axeman123]

Hayne married his wife in 2021.
The alleged 'rape' occurred in 2018, well before he married (as did the other case in the US).
If she believes him to be innocent then she is simply supporting her partner and not 'wanting to lose money' is likely not at play given the figures it has been said to have cost him to date (legal costs etc). He could get a start with Parra now. Fuck knows they need someone.

[ReginaldBubbles]

Consent being contingent on payment could open up a massive can of worms imo

What kind of can of worms?

[ColesBag]

That link is behind a paywall as you said, could you copy and paste the text over to here please.



Go to 12ft.io & past the link to the story & it will show it.

[nosytt]

Should have used afterpay

[Minathy8724]

According to the article, this matter is of significant public interest. His company, Babylon, and his career are in serious jeopardy. All his friends, family, and business associates (LinkedIn) will want to distance themselves from him. What was he thinking? He should have sought advice. The consequences of paying with a bounced cheque will come back to bite him hard. He might have a low IQ or be suffering from something else.

[GoldfishMan]

Consent being contingent on payment could open up a massive can of worms imo

I think it's actually great for punters, if you pay up of course. In the event of a spiteful woman rescinding consent after the fact, proof of payment will work in your favour, no?

[GoldfishMan]

Hayne married his wife in 2021.
The alleged 'rape' occurred in 2018, well before he married (as did the other case in the US).
If she believes him to be innocent then she is simply supporting her partner and not 'wanting to lose money' is likely not at play given the figures it has been said to have cost him to date (legal costs etc).

It might surprise a lot of bros here that there are many who believe in his innocence, including other women.

[Abracadabra]

It might surprise a lot of bros here that there are many who believe in his innocence, including other women.

It may be a mitigating element, but you would think that consent would be the overriding factor and she can withdraw that at any time.
The brothel/paid sex transactional basis could and likely would cloud the issue but the basic principles of consent would apply once the circumstances are unravelled...

[Abracadabra]

It may be a mitigating element, but you would think that consent would be the overriding factor and she can withdraw that at any time.
The brothel/paid sex transactional basis could and likely would cloud the issue but the basic principles of consent would apply once the circumstances are unravelled...

Sorry, was replying to your earlier comment and then you must have posted again while I was finalising my reply and my comment was assigned to your latest post ???

[mahlerkay]

I don't know how the scam works but Indians are hitting shops with a PayID scam where they show sending money but I am guessing call the bank in the 24hr "first transfer" window and cancel it.

My regular was a victim of this last week. She showed it to me in the banking app. A credit then a debit from the payer. Yes, the name of the scammer was South Asian.

[GoldfishMan]

It may be a mitigating element, but you would think that consent would be the overriding factor and she can withdraw that at any time.
The brothel/paid sex transactional basis could and likely would cloud the issue but the basic principles of consent would apply once the circumstances are unravelled...

Yes, consent can be rescinded at anytime except, in my opinion, after the fact. I mean, surely there must be a limit to everything, right?
This proof of payment thing I reckon is solid proof. At least to a certain degree, it'll help. It sure beats only having your words against her words when it comes down to it.

[GoldfishMan]

My regular was a victim of this last week. She showed it to me in the banking app. A credit then a debit from the payer. Yes, the name of the scammer was South Asian.

Farking scumbags, deserve all the shit and discrimination coming their way.

[ReginaldBubbles]

Farking scumbags, deserve all the shit and discrimination coming their way.

Sounded like it was just one guy.

[mahlerkay]

Sounded like it was just one guy.

I'm sure that the PayID scam has been used in transactions other than just punting.

Whoever exploited it first must have 'spread the good word' to their buddies, hence it's popping up everywhere.

[mn69]

I am absolutely shocked that Indians are doing that, shocked I tell you.

Me too. If only someone had known !

[mn69]

My regular was a victim of this last week. She showed it to me in the banking app. A credit then a debit from the payer. Yes, the name of the scammer was South Asian.

I can see why alot of WL's/ML's are "no Indians"

Not just here, but all around the world too.

[Abracadabra]

Yes, consent can be rescinded at anytime except, in my opinion, after the fact. I mean, surely there must be a limit to everything, right?
This proof of payment thing I reckon is solid proof. At least to a certain degree, it'll help. It sure beats only having your words against her words when it comes down to it.

Agree, the morning after syndrome
~ no option to withdraw after the deed is done with free mind and will.

What would be interesting here is that if her consent was given and conditional on valid payment, which was later shown to be fraudulent, meaning the consent was illegally obtained ??? .......

[mn69]

Agree, the morning after syndrome
~ no option to withdraw after the deed is done with free mind and will.

What would be interesting here is that if her consent was given and conditional on valid payment, which was later shown to be fraudulent, meaning the consent was illegally obtained ??? .......

If consent was fraudulent or obtained illegally through deception, like having sex when someone is under influence of drugs. Wouldnt that be "statutory rape"

So its still rape at the end of the day.

[GoldfishMan]

Yes, it's no different from spiking a girl's drink to get her "consent". Just cannot get away with shit like that.

[Hedonisticfun]

My regular was a victim of this last week. She showed it to me in the banking app. A credit then a debit from the payer. Yes, the name of the scammer was South Asian.

same happened with my regular WL, money was deposited into her account then debited , surprised as I wasn*t aware that this was possible . The punter just seemed so genuine or convincing in his spiel even though she was very wary and finally relented to not having cash payment . Apparently tried to have him charged but motor licence photo ID was fake , not sure on further action Was supposedly from Winston Hills .

[mn69]

same happened with my regular WL, money was deposited into her account then debited , surprised as I wasn*t aware that this was possible . The punter just seemed so genuine or convincing in his spiel even though she was very wary and finally relented to not having cash payment . Apparently tried to have him charged but motor licence photo ID was fake , not sure on further action Was supposedly from Winston Hills .


Yes, it's no different from spiking a girl's drink to get her "consent". Just cannot get away with shit like that.

I read that rape & sexual assault is very common in their country. And also these same scams. So maybe they come here thinking they can do same thing.

We can't let this shit happen in Australia. Should encourage these girls to tell police & press charges. And shops to release CCTV footage to police.

[Axeman123]

Farking scumbags, deserve all the shit and discrimination coming their way. lts looking like CHEAP labour comes with a cost.

[fnmfnmfnm]

I think it's actually great for punters, if you pay up of course. In the event of a spiteful woman rescinding consent after the fact, proof of payment will work in your favour, no?

If everyone plays fair, both punters and ladies, then yes absolutely.

However, what it fundamentally encourages is a paper trail, which I don’t think any punter really wants. Opens people to blackmail against the threat of perceived non payment, where if it sets a new precedent then even accusations can do the damage intended without any proof.

As much as I enjoy sex worker services, these are whores you’re dealing with at the end of the day, operating in the shadows of society.

[themort]

For me the bigger question is who can live with themself for doing this?

It's a hard enough life for these girls without cnts doing that.

[ReginaldBubbles]

I read that rape & sexual assault is very common in their country. And also these same scams. So maybe they come here thinking they can do same thing.

We can't let this shit happen in Australia. Should encourage these girls to tell police & press charges. And shops to release CCTV footage to police.

The guy in the article who has actually been charged and isn’t just an anecdote is not actually Indian you realise?

[mindboggler]

The guy in the article who has actually been charged and isn’t just an anecdote is not actually Indian you realise?

Classic herd mentality. One numbnut starts on Indians and every dog and his bitch falls over themselves to pile on

[Skidmark]

Someone at Chanel’s paid the lady for 2 hours with the lot the girl left the room came back finished the job and later checked her bag she put the money in which was in the room and the cash was Goneskis I feel bad for her that must suck so bad

[Phaser74]

Just when I thought guys couldn’t stoop lower

[GoldfishMan]

Someone at Chanel’s paid the lady for 2 hours with the lot the girl left the room came back finished the job and later checked her bag she put the money in which was in the room and the cash was Goneskis I feel bad for her that must suck so bad

Would you call that rape or robbery?

[Hedonisticfun]

Would you call that rape or robbery?

Both , rape AND robbery .

[Skidmark]

It’s robbery but should be given harsher punishment because of the nature of it but yeah definitely not sexual assault or rape it doesn’t make sense

[Meng]

If I was a WL and someone handed me a cheque. I would of told them fuck off lol.

[jimmyhard]

it is fair. the law is right

[Raybo]

If I was a WL and someone handed me a cheque. I would of told them fuck off lol.

This. Luv ya Meng,

[vitieubao5]

must be the indians hahahaha

May be not as majority of WL refuse to serve the Indians.

[andrewv]

In law, it is rape because "consent" is only given if a payment is made.

In the same way where it is "rape" if a woman consents to sex but only with a condom, then the man takes it off.
Sex without consent is rape no matter how you analyze it.

[alphaomega8384]

same happened with my regular WL, money was deposited into her account then debited , surprised as I wasn*t aware that this was possible . The punter just seemed so genuine or convincing in his spiel even though she was very wary and finally relented to not having cash payment . Apparently tried to have him charged but motor licence photo ID was fake , not sure on further action Was supposedly from Winston Hills .

Payid will register the payer’s mobile number and name in the banking app. If the lady take it to a good lawyer, they can figure out culprit’s details and issue a show cause notice plus take the matter with the cops. In fact most shops have CCTV these days, it can easily be punished..

[ColesBag]

I can see why alot of WL's/ML's are "no Indians"

Not just here, but all around the world too.

Any WL/ML ( or any punter for that matter ) who is offering anything but cash as a payment is opening themselves up to being scammed.

Cash is king, no backsies.

[SmithChips]

Any WL/ML ( or any punter for that matter ) who is offering anything but cash as a payment is opening themselves up to being scammed.

Cash is king, no backsies.

Except when fake notes are given. Had a ML complain about this - she tried to spend it on Chanel and got declined, as $250 of her notes were fake