Is this the norm these days?

[goodtime]

Generally, during an RnT session, when it's time to flip, the girl would ask me what services I want.

Instead, this girl placed my hands on her tits, arse and I played with her pussy, kissed her nipples, kissed her neck (no lips).

Then she asked what services I wanted and by this point, a hand job is going to cost me $100 because apparently all the touching and kissing already cost me $50...

didn't want to make a big deal about it, so I just paid...

Is this the norm or is this a scam?

[badone]

Generally, during an RnT session, when it's time to flip, the girl would ask me what services I want.

Instead, this girl placed my hands on her tits, arse and I played with her pussy, kissed her nipples, kissed her neck (no lips).

Then she asked what services I wanted and by this point, a hand job is going to cost me $100 because apparently all the touching and kissing already cost me $50...

didn't want to make a big deal about it, so I just paid...

Is this the norm or is this a scam?

you have been taken for a ride, ,,, hope it was at least worth it,

[massage addict]

you have been taken for a ride, ,,, hope it was at least worth it,

Yes you have been taken for a ride. It does seam like a common trick that girls are playing these days so you have to ask up front and negotiate the rate before hand. They are also hitting us with $70 for a nhj and $100 for body to body. Don't except it politely let them know thats gone up a lot, a 40% price in increase! She will say yeah evey think go up darliiinngg. To which say yeah not 40% i will take a 5% rise to be fair. $55 or i get another girl.

[rubit moore]

What a ripoff. And a mood killer... unless haggling gives you a boner. It's a common trick that's been going on for years if they know they can do it, nothing new. Worth negotiating before the massage AND while you're still clothed, it takes a few seconds to get naked and even less time to walk.

[kingwally]

Generally, during an RnT session, when it's time to flip, the girl would ask me what services I want.

Instead, this girl placed my hands on her tits, arse and I played with her pussy, kissed her nipples, kissed her neck (no lips).

Then she asked what services I wanted and by this point, a hand job is going to cost me $100 because apparently all the touching and kissing already cost me $50...

didn't want to make a big deal about it, so I just paid...

Is this the norm or is this a scam?

Why not name the girl and the shop?

[sync3d3d]

Why not name the girl and the shop? agreed ! The shop should be made aware and us punters can avoid her…

[TechPunter]

Generally, during an RnT session, when it's time to flip, the girl would ask me what services I want.

Instead, this girl placed my hands on her tits, arse and I played with her pussy, kissed her nipples, kissed her neck (no lips).

Then she asked what services I wanted and by this point, a hand job is going to cost me $100 because apparently all the touching and kissing already cost me $50...

didn't want to make a big deal about it, so I just paid...

Is this the norm or is this a scam?

Totally a scam, what's the shop?

[Themysterypi]

Definitely negotiate before the message for me. You got taken for a ride, not literally though.

[MrPB]

That is not on - if a girl is inviting you to touch her, anyone could easily read that as her own free doing.

Now if there was a discussion of prices first, that's a different story.

I would call out this type of behaviour, rather than a name and shame, it's more to discourage this sort of shady practise!

[SmithChips]

You got ripped off.

Nataly at the palms do this too. Was such a turn off.

[Jack-Jack]

Generally, during an RnT session, when it's time to flip, the girl would ask me what services I want.

Instead, this girl placed my hands on her tits, arse and I played with her pussy, kissed her nipples, kissed her neck (no lips).

Then she asked what services I wanted and by this point, a hand job is going to cost me $100 because apparently all the touching and kissing already cost me $50...

didn't want to make a big deal about it, so I just paid...

Is this the norm or is this a scam?

its a fucking scam and she defs high balled you with a price

just my take but she is probly a PYT, got that price accepted before or could tell youre not that expereinced in this??

HJ for $50 - 1 pineapple is the max id pay and that normally includes strip down and B2B rubbing

the YMMV will be some of them are petty and dont take panties off blaming period or dont let lets of boobs and pussy unless u pay extra

the key message and lesson learnt here is know the market price and what ur willing to pay and if she wants more and not worth it tell her to F Off - also sometimes if you say no and haggle they know you not an easy prey

the prices and extra i go off are:

$50 for NHJ plus strip down and body slides (rare as some just strip and sliding is another extra fml)

$70-90 for CBJ

$100 Minmum i think - 150 for FS

i only paid $150 once or twice at massage shop cos she was super hot and banging body otherwise i hold back and wait to go Ginza

some ridicoulos bitches had the audcaity to ask me for $20 to touch her boobs cos she had an amazing rack
another was $20-30 to body slide just to put oil and move her body up and down or baby powder and move up and down...

$50 for CBJ is also bit much imo but i get thats the going rate for most so pay if she hot and since it goes all to the girl not split with shop its fine


Are these prices for RNT Joints still the going rates or inflation fkd that up too??

[Jack-Jack]

Go to reputable shops
No more than $50 for a NHJ
Stanmore 200
Broadway 227
Savann 69
NS 227

i vouch for NS 227 and their sister shop in Epping

Mirage in petersham also good but pricier end cos things like CBJ is already included in the pricing similar to 360 style

the ones in top ryde are not bad too you get occasional gems and legit students

[Kiki kong]

This was tag and bag sitch. Some girls are really pulling the punches to get your cash. Times are tough for shops and the girls, and doing what they can to earn that money. Certainly not the best way and I would rat out the shop so they may see how their shop is currently operating if they want to stay in biz.

Stay strong bros and don't get taken for a ride.

[rubit moore]

This was tag and bag sitch. Some girls are really pulling the punches to get your cash. Times are tough for shops and the girls, and doing what they can to earn that money. Certainly not the best way and I would rat out the shop so they may see how their shop is currently operating if they want to stay in biz.

Stay strong bros and don't get taken for a ride.

Yea OP should take it up with the shops HR dept. (hand relief)

[JIMTAM2016]

Go to reputable shops
No more than $50 for a NHJ
Stanmore 200
Broadway 227
Savann 69
NS 227
Exactly, I was a regular in one massage place, and they have very good massage. That why I came back, and usually paid $30 for clothes HJ, more just to get over it as she is over 50s.

Went there recently, and didn't want to do it, but then changed my mind, and then she asked for $60 for the same HJ. I said too expensive and before only paid $30, she said everything goes up baby, things more expensive. I said no need then, no extra, and she reduced to $50. I still declined.

Forget to say, the massage already went up for $10, now HJ went up for $30?
So, she just lost another regular customer. Her business has already been quiet since winter. But, instead of keeping the regular, she just send them away. Can't understand this logic.

[faruk]

Exactly, I was a regular in one massage place, and they have very good massage. That why I came back, and usually paid $30 for clothes HJ, more just to get over it as she is over 50s.

Went there recently, and didn't want to do it, but then changed my mind, and then she asked for $60 for the same HJ. I said too expensive and before only paid $30, she said everything goes up baby, things more expensive. I said no need then, no extra, and she reduced to $50. I still declined.

Forget to say, the massage already went up for $10, now HJ went up for $30?
So, she just lost another regular customer. Her business has already been quiet since winter. But, instead of keeping the regular, she just send them away. Can't understand this logic.

I also can't understand this type of logic. It's like they don't understand the risk of losing a regular or even just the opportunity to make money. Instead of getting $30 she now gets nothing

[JIMTAM2016]

I also can't understand this type of logic. It's like they don't understand the risk of losing a regular or even just the opportunity to make money. Instead of getting $30 she now gets nothing
Yeah, exactly. Plus the massage fee, which is $90. I went there every 3 weeks.
So, instead of getting $120 regularly, she has nothing now. Forget to say, she is the owner, so no massage fee split with the shop.

Maybe because I'm young, so she tried to milk me as much as she can. Too money driven, but don't have a bussiness sense.

[GoldfishMan]

Yeah, exactly. Plus the massage fee, which is $90. I went there every 3 weeks.
So, instead of getting $120 regularly, she has nothing now. Forget to say, she is the owner, so no massage fee split with the shop.

Maybe because I'm young, so she tried to milk me as much as she can. Too money driven, but don't have a bussiness sense.

It's a sign of desperation. She's probably caught between a rock and a hard place. Her sales volume isn't increasing, she hasn't got any ideas on how to increase it, yet her costs are probably rising significantly. So she's pushing her luck trying to get more out of her existing sales volume.

If this fails, you'd have to assume that it's game over for her business. She might have to go do something else or move etc.

[Peter69]

Have to add please go to my disastrous punt location! As soon as grandma closes the door on you then you can confirm it’s not the norm 😆😆😆

[footboy2012]

$50 for hj
Max $100 for bj
$150 for fs
Max $200 for FS but needs to be 1 hour plus and an absolute stunner ML

[faruk]

$50 for hj
Max $100 for bj
$150 for fs
Max $200 for FS but needs to be 1 hour plus and an absolute stunner ML

Is this the total you are willing to pay including the shop fees? Or is it after paying the shop fees?

[GoldfishMan]

Is this the total you are willing to pay including the shop fees? Or is it after paying the shop fees?

Obviously the latter. $50 bucks ain't even enough for shop fees these days.

[Ralph-Lauren]

Things aren’t the way they were before that’s for sure.. pre-covid would’ve only been $100 tip max and I’d almost always get FS with BBBJ, DFK.. Nowadays it’s $150 without necessarily getting any kissing, plus only CBJ.. all up with shop fees it becomes almost $250 for the hour

Better off going to Ginza and paying around $50 more but getting everything on offer..

[JIMTAM2016]

Things aren’t the way they were before that’s for sure.. pre-covid would’ve only been $100 tip max and I’d almost always get FS with BBBJ, DFK.. Nowadays it’s $150 without necessarily getting any kissing, plus only CBJ.. all up with shop fees it becomes almost $250 for the hour

Better off going to Ginza and paying around $50 more but getting everything on offer..

Agreed. For $250+, better to go to Ginza, where the service is guaranteed and also have a great facility like ensuite and proper bed, and clean. You can also select the girl. You can also be guaranteed for one hour in Ginza, and multiple shot. But these are not guaranteed in massage place.

The only difference might be a great massage. But not often you find a great one in these places.

[dirty3001]

...things like CBJ is already included in the pricing similar to 360 style

I am looking to try 360 Style. Do you mean to say there are no "extras" there?
I as looking at the Japanese style Spa,body care & Massage - 45 mins ($180). What does this include and exclude? - showering with girl, BS, HJ?

[dirty3001]

I am looking to try 360 Style. Do you mean to say there are no "extras" there?
I as looking at the Japanese style Spa,body care & Massage - 45 mins ($180). What does this include and exclude? - showering with girl, BS, HJ?

Update: I tried this and confirm everything is included, i.e. shower with girl at start and end, BS, HJ or BJ (although I didn't opt for the BJ). Prices are up a bit from website: $170 30 mins, $200 45 mins. They'll send you the roster on wechat if you ask.

I went with a tiny Japanese girl whose name I forgot. Her body was not quite my taste but she was sweet and did a nice job.

[11Bravo]

Update: I tried this and confirm everything is included, i.e. shower with girl at start and end, BS, HJ or BJ (although I didn't opt for the BJ). Prices are up a bit from website: $170 30 mins, $200 45 mins. They'll send you the roster on wechat if you ask. Gee, I get enough BS at home, for free...

[GoldfishMan]

Gee, I get enough BS at home, for free...

Hahahha, some people don't look at what they're writing when they come up with all these acronyms, lolll....

[Double_Adapter]

Hahahha, some people don't look at what they're writing when they come up with all these acronyms, lolll....

Maybe he was referring bare service?

[11Bravo]

Maybe he was referring bare service?

Or to mean the typical patter of "you handsum man, you so big, me so horny, I only do this for you, you make me so wet, I come 5 times..." :smile:

[F0x]

Go to reputable shops
No more than $50 for a NHJ
Stanmore 200
Broadway 227
Savann 69
NS 227

I also highly vouch for Sydney Baby Massage at 18 Hargrave or their sister shop which name eludes me ATM (I think it's 41 Epping) if you are inexperienced at punting, as price is inclusive of a NHJ and the quality is decent to good. This way you aren't wondering how much to tip.

I've actually been going there I realised even before it became Sydney baby, can't recall what it was before but I do recall a lovely Thai girl was my regular and we'd do the lot for 1 hour for like 100. Those were the days.

I've only ever had a couple of average punts there, they weren't bad just not great.

Now does this mean some girls won't try to take you for a ride? Of course not. But generally speaking all the ones I've seen have been fine and of course stuff like a BJ and more cost extra which can be negotiated but at the very least you don't need to worry about your NHJ.

The only caveat is depending on the girl you may get a RNHJ (acronym I just made up, a Remote NHJ) where the girl positions herself far enough that you cant touch anything but she can still tug you. Which sucks. but she just lost a customer and if it gets posted here she's lost a lot more.

Happy punting!

[11Bravo]

I also highly vouch for Sydney Baby Massage at 18 Hargrave or their sister shop which name eludes me ATM (I think it's 41 Epping) if you are inexperienced at punting, as price is inclusive of a NHJ and the quality is decent to good. This way you aren't wondering how much to tip.
OK, here we go again. Extras are NOT a tip; they're a service charge that is agreed to by both parties for additional services.

Now, the problem I have with a lot of NHJ included shops is that, when discussing additional services, the NHJ base price, with some, will not be considered in the upgrade prices, especially as the NHJ charge has been paid to the shop, not directly to the girl.
I.E.:
Massage only shop, NHJ not included: Standard: 50 / 100 /150. Thus, FS is 150.
Massage shop with NHJ included: she may quote 100 /150, which does not consider the pre-paid 50, so you're actually paying 200 for FS. The girl only considers what is paid DIRECTLY to her, in her little hand.
Not always, but enough times that I'm generally put off by this included service fee. When I've pointed out the already paid NHJ fee, I've been told that's for the shop, this is for me. But then, I've been doing this for a long time, it SHOWS, so she knows this is not my first rodeo. And, I know how to say, "No thank you".

YMMV

[tommyb]

Thanks the info of this thread is really helpful for someone new to the massage scene (I usually go brothel)


I also highly vouch for Sydney Baby Massage at 18 Hargrave or their sister shop which name eludes me ATM (I think it's 41 Epping) if you are inexperienced at punting, as price is inclusive of a NHJ and the quality is decent to good. This way you aren't wondering how much to tip.

I think 41 Epping sister shop is north Strathfield not SBM?

[lyychee]

Thanks the info of this thread is really helpful for someone new to the massage scene (I usually go brothel)



I think 41 Epping sister shop is north Strathfield not SBM?

Yep, that is correct.

[Jack-Jack]

Thanks the info of this thread is really helpful for someone new to the massage scene (I usually go brothel)



I think 41 Epping sister shop is north Strathfield not SBM?

Yep sister shops Jayden runs things well there

I vouch for the shop and talent there not too much photoshop decent prices and girls overall aren’t overly pushy

Except the time I almost got in trouble when I walked out blush with the mamasan staring at me like “you cheeky boy” and I powered off through the back door hahaha

But yea know the market prices and don’t let the girls try hustle you and you’ll be right

[Danny801]

Thing that gets me is some shops have started writing on pictures ‘ real picture’ almost saying that if it dont have that stamp the others are fake!!?

[NC3]

Generally, during an RnT session, when it's time to flip, the girl would ask me what services I want.

Instead, this girl placed my hands on her tits, arse and I played with her pussy, kissed her nipples, kissed her neck (no lips).

Then she asked what services I wanted and by this point, a hand job is going to cost me $100 because apparently all the touching and kissing already cost me $50...

didn't want to make a big deal about it, so I just paid...

Is this the norm or is this a scam?

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When you see the ml for first time always clear [ in a nice way no to sound like you gonna buy a product] the finance and the extras from the very beginning [ definitely before she takes her clothes off] of the session to avoid misunderstandings.
If you agree enjoy the session in full or if she is greedy or she has the wrong attitude, stay only with the massage [ not even nhj ].

You have the total control in the session.

No way an hour [ or shorter time ] session in massage shop to cost [ all up, all included GS ] more or even the same with Ginza average rates that are [ 290$ - 240$ - 190$ ].

For massage shops [ all up, all included GS ] ... 170$ 30min. - 210$ 45min. - 250$ an hour.

GS ... Ginza service, G6 - dfk, daty, fiv, bbbj, fs. About cim it is 50/50.

[Pattyherb]

We all have the same frustrations bro. They all try to bamboozle us even if we are long time regulars.

Something that's working for me now: negotiate everything with the ML before the session and pay when it is finished. No compromise and you will always win.

[Pattyherb]

You got ripped off.

Nataly at the palms do this too. Was such a turn off.

She did the exact same thing with me even after I saw her a few times and remembered who I was. They don't except HF anymore so she probably pissed someone off bad and they made it very personal.

[11Bravo]

We all have the same frustrations bro. They all try to bamboozle us even if we are long time regulars.

Something that's working for me now: negotiate everything with the ML before the session and pay when it is finished. No compromise and you will always win.
Speak for yourself. Never happens to me. Perhaps a benefit of age (you say old, I say experienced), Asians do respect age. Perhaps it's my demographic choice. Or maybe they respect a varsity player...

Back when I was JV in SYD, a lot of the time I'd ask about extras at the start. These days, can't remember the last time I did. I just go with the flow, and trust my OWN judgement (as I often say, I follow the Old Knight's advice, "Choose wisely"). Early this year, there was one or two who offered less than I would have wanted on the flip, but they were straight up about it, and were attractive enough that I flew business, not first. A few others, I've been pleasantly surprised at the class of service...

ONE thing to remember is the price you pay the first time, for the SAME class of service, will be the price you pay on subsequent flights. "If it was sufficient once, it should be sufficient again" - works for BOTH parties. Certainly, OVER TIME, prices may drift up, but as a regular, there is still a chance you'll pay your original. Any abrupt, unilateral changes - like I said, doesn't happen with me. If it ever did, it'd ONLY happen once.

I'll pay the MASSAGE fee up front. MOST of the time, even first time, for the SERVICE charges, it's pay after (let's be honest, every ONE of them can outrun me). But if I'm asked to pay the service fee up front, first time, I do. After all, they don't know me, and I lean more to a "exercising caution, she's been burnt on a reneged fee, more than a rip-off". I'm sure, eventually, I MIGHT get burnt, but I'll take the chance. Subsequent visits, always pay after - she knows me, I know her. (Recently, I did forget to pay after, had started for the door. She asked if I'd forgotten something... I'm feeling my pockets, phone-yes, sunglasses-yes, wallet-yes.. "No, have everything." "Money baby?" So, yes indeed, she did fuck my brains out.)

Thing is, it's NOT life and death, and it's NOT a zero-sum game. I prefer win-win. Give respect, get respect. Give trust, get trust. Treat her like an orifice, she'll be an orifice. Treat her like a person, she'll be a person.


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When you see the ml for first time always clear [ in a nice way no to sound like you gonna buy a product] the finance and the extras from the very beginning [ definitely before she takes her clothes off] of the session to avoid misunderstandings.
If you agree enjoy the session in full or if she is greedy or she has the wrong attitude, stay only with the massage [ not even nhj ].

You have the total control in the session.
Whenever you're talking about "add-ons", I agree, keep it light. For me, on the flip, when she asks "Extras?", I'll ask what does she provide. If she answers my question with a question, "What do want?", I'll repeat. Most often, she'll provide a definite answer (if not, then I'll be specific, and only ask about extras I want; I don't do surveys). If she hasn't included prices (a lot do), then I'll ask.

I don't consider it "negotiating". If her quote is at or lower than my ceiling, it's a done deal, right there. I don't try to go lower. If it's OTT, then I'll just politely decline. Given that that's the way she makes her coin, a counter offer of the requested service will be forthcoming, more often than not. If not, I'll ask about a lower class of service. Works for me, YMMV.