Changes over time ? Is it only the economy or more ?

[local]

I don't logon as much as I did previously, but the changes on this forum are quite noticeable but it causes are questionable.

Many years ago a lot of discussion was about places like 1 blackburn and market city, then in the suburbs about shops in the various areas, such as St.George and hurstville, rockdale. I seem to remember jasmine in rose bay and then there was bondi junction.

it digressed to drummoyne, chatswood (ah yes, bunny house) and of course the pyrmont places and then covid hit.

Since covid things have moved a bit wierd with places like cbd360 276 and now 80 erskine with its rise (& now fall ?). you also have the 200's around stanmore (200, 235, 208 252 etc).

Of course there are those stables, around marrickville some of questionable standard but still there. and we have seen the (unreported) rise of canterbury rd canterbury (even 269 is still there) along to campsie.

then we have the very questionable burwood area operations but rarely reported.

I wont go into the north shore / many operations but they are around.

mmm, maybe 42 gladesville should also get a mention, but when was the last reporting...

So is today's punter really any different from previously ?
Has the demand changed ?
has values changed ?
Has value for money changed ?
has the punter's pocket really changed much ?
have the punters expectation changed ?


I wonder what others think overall on this stuff. ??

[faruk]

I think the only thing that has changed is the value. About 10-15 years ago, a lot of MLs would provide extras for free if a) they liked you or b) they wanted to keep you as a regular. Nowadays every little bit of extra is charged like an ala carte menu.

[Winnerwinter]

yeah... definitely value for money has changed. with that, punter's pocket and expectations have changed. big surge of "cover girls, diamond service" etc has basically allowed shops to charge at least $50 more for the same service. The other thing is that WL/ML are luxury expenses that we only use disposable income on, so with the poor economy people's willingness to go out has dropped off significantly, which shops/girls have to compensate with higher prices, making us even less willing to come out.

tbh it's pretty shit atm, but at the same time i only started 5 years ago where i was on a much lower income bracket so it still feels affordable to me.

[cassius]

Yep I think you have hit the nail on the head. The cycle of reduced business therefore increase prices is insidious. I think lots of people like me have cut down radically because the prices have become unaffordable. I suspect I do better than most. But there is a limit on what one can pay. Particularly high end agencies. There must be some incredibly rich bros out there to support them; either that or they’re not getting the business and caught in the cycle you describe. and we now have these places that float in the middle between Massage shops and full service shops that are expensive for what one gets as well Particularly much more expensive than you would get from a massage place with an accommodating Girl who would upsell for a bit extra. Would start with the base price of dollar 70 for the 1 hour massage now these middle tear places want to say $230 as the starting point!.

[Linq]

People on average are getting wealthier. There are those who profited off covid and the rise and fall in the market. Everything balances itself out through supply and demand. From what I can see the brothels are still in good business. I don't notice any slowdown. Australia is part of a global economy. People are coming and bringing money from their own countries. From what I can suspect and see people are willing to pay more for better quality girls and service. Landscape changes all the time. There exists a market for the scene today and that market isn't the same as it was when you first got into punting.

Also, you should keep in mind that this forum isn't representative of punters in the market, not even a representative of regular punters. This place is moreso just a social club for a select group of punters who for whatever reason want to utilise this forum.

Which actually brings me to another topic that is the validity of online spaces as references of the real world but that's another topic...

[youngheart]

Looking at the establishments.

Some places virtually never get reviews, think of the old chequers, (don't know their current name) and market city the marrickville group (yes include billy's, 271, 43, 45, 47, 28). but they are still there and going.

think a bit and maybe consider constant reviews might actually be killing places after initially building them up I am on the line of 276, 360 the older 200+ parramatta rd (stanmore) (I actually exclude the current 200 itself).

Before covid you had the fivedock group which now is serverly reduced and not so noisy.

A similar group was in rockdale before covid as well, and you have to laugh how some have come back and minimal reviews but they are powering on.

I actually thinkabout the rise and fall of "bunny house" in chatswood, i wonder if its quietly operating still in a different location.

Social media can effectively kill the rnt/fs style f business and reviews on the various could be a natural bullet.

this industry is so old and the longtimers are still going just quietly minding their own business, intense scrutiny upsets the apple cart... (think of cbd360 as a perfect example).

nothing has really changed except society.

[bummer]

the establishments have to try and control their advertising, punters on these review sites can effectively kill their business.
I personally like the way kyoto206 & sakura57 took control and seemed to have found the right solution without killing their businesses.

the punters have changed, more money, more selective, and some more vocal... the more vocal can be a problem, yet others like the entertainment

[cassius]

I’m interested in your comment about Sakura and Kyoto. I had banned myself from because of disparity between photos and the girls. Have things turned around?

[Hedonisticfun]

I don't logon as much as I did previously, but the changes on this forum are quite noticeable but it causes are questionable.

Many years ago a lot of discussion was about places like 1 blackburn and market city, then in the suburbs about shops in the various areas, such as St.George and hurstville, rockdale. I seem to remember jasmine in rose bay and then there was bondi junction.

it digressed to drummoyne, chatswood (ah yes, bunny house) and of course the pyrmont places and then covid hit.

Since covid things have moved a bit wierd with places like cbd360 276 and now 80 erskine with its rise (& now fall ?). you also have the 200's around stanmore (200, 235, 208 252 etc).

Of course there are those stables, around marrickville some of questionable standard but still there. and we have seen the (unreported) rise of canterbury rd canterbury (even 269 is still there) along to campsie.

then we have the very questionable burwood area operations but rarely reported.

I wont go into the north shore / many operations but they are around.

mmm, maybe 42 gladesville should also get a mention, but when was the last reporting...

So is today's punter really any different from previously ?
Has the demand changed ?
has values changed ?
Has value for money changed ?
has the punter's pocket really changed much ?
have the punters expectation changed ?


I wonder what others think overall on this stuff. ??

Also have to take into account owners also age and want to retire or get more money from developers wanting to buy their premises . As to value , the days when I was an apprentice in the late 70s early 80s and could go to a brothel with $50 are long gone ( as is Canterbury Road where the girls had kerbcrawlers .. whatever happened there ? plus Kings Cross and GWH at Michinbury ). MLs / WLs also are subject to the current high cost of living , so $400 , $600 , $800 an hour not unusual to pay the rent , look after their kids etc . Only the asians do it cheaper as they work on volume and aren*t particular with clients .

[bummer]

Also have to take into account owners also age and want to retire or get more money from developers wanting to buy their premises . As to value , the days when I was an apprentice in the late 70s early 80s and could go to a brothel with $50 are long gone ( as is Canterbury Road where the girls had kerbcrawlers .. whatever happened there ? plus Kings Cross and GWH at Michinbury ). MLs / WLs also are subject to the current high cost of living , so $400 , $600 , $800 an hour not unusual to pay the rent , look after their kids etc . Only the asians do it cheaper as they work on volume and aren*t particular with clients .

kerbcrawlers ? wow, haven't seen for a long time, though i wonder about some of the back streets of darlinghurst at times.

funny, thinking back to how they used to dress... pretty much the norm nowadays, just think the street hookera of yesteryear were just a bit before their time, or has society in grenal sunk to such low levels nowadays ??

[Azrael]

Some punts in the old days:

Minchinbury turn off $20 blow n go on the way to visit my GF at Shalvey. A very tight African SW on Canterbury Rd, a street walker, picked her up and gave her $100 back at my place, then dropped her at the Cross afterwards to meet her BF. Palmer street $70 on the way up to the Cross. They were all totally random drive by pickups.

What’s changed things? The internet, there was Searchlight an adult newspaper where you sent $10? in an envelope to their office and they’d mail you back the details of the workers addresses, plus one or two Aussie made glossy mags that had hookers advertising. There was no internet and no mobiles.

[Abracadabra]

I’m interested in your comment about Sakura and Kyoto. I had banned myself from because of disparity between photos and the girls. Have things turned around?

So am I.
Gave them 3 strikes a couple of years ago after some poor experiences based on photos that simply misrepresented the girl I ended up seeing.
Have they changed?

[romulsdefroz]

You’ve summed it up really well — things have definitely shifted over time, and not just because of the economy. Covid changed a lot of behaviours, but it feels like expectations and values have also evolved, especially around quality and trust. Same thing’s happening in tech — expertise in modern technologies is key now, with frameworks like React, Angular, and Vue.js leading the way. If you're interested in how businesses are keeping up, convert figma to angular (https://www.thefrontendcompany.com/posts/figma-to-angular) providers is a solid read. Always interesting to see how different industries adapt!