What a fool believes

[Kotefan24]

Long time lurker, 1st time poster.
Now I know many hate the secrets and talking in code but I don’t want to be responsible for directing expectant punters to an ml who may just be legit & who wants to keep it that way.
This shop has 2 large foot spas at the front which are never used. If you have been there then you will know the shop & ml, and if you haven’t then you won’t be able to answer my question anyway.
Been going regularly for about a year. Mature ml - at a guess mid 40’s. Short, cute (imo) friendly, but at times quiet - maybe that’s just with me. Her English seems good and we have nice chats then sometimes it’s like she doesn’t understand what I have said.
Great massage, very relaxing, not a hint of TT, underwear stayed on but still something sensual about it.
I had been maybe a dozen times when I decided to nude up. She was surprised but remained totally professional - massaged everywhere but still avoided TT.
A few more visits then finally on the flip I took a chance and said do you ever do more, she seemed shocked & I thought I’ve fucked this up and she’s going to tell me to get out, but she just pointed to the small lump under the towel. I nodded and next thing towel was whipped away and she’s giving a very good hj. Not mechanical, not rushed, and she sort of asked rather than told when saying $50.
Next visit goes the same, I ask if I can touch, she smiles & nods, I start exploring under clothes, next thing she is letting me undress her, with her removing what I couldn’t get to until she is naked.
This is where it gets confusing for me, have had a further 5 or 6 visits like this, nude with lots of touching allowed but not fully committed to. Same with kissing. Not sure she’s enjoying it or not. Have asked her to get on the table, she just giggles.
And then on my most recent visit - nothing! She kept me on my front the whole time, said finished & left the room.
So, this is the question.
Did I turn a legit ml and get extras because she thinks I’m special and she only stopped because she was falling for me & knew it wouldn’t work…….
Yeah right
Or
Is she giving HJ’s, BJ’s, FS to 3 or 4 different punters every day & only took pity on me because I kept turning up but has now decided she doesn’t want my old paws all over her.
Sorry this is such a long post. Sorry for sounding like a simp. And I know the answer anyway….its none of my damn business what she does with other punters. So why ask - I suppose it’s like many things in life - can’t shake that sense of missing out

[Dr Grafton Everest]

Yes. Punters give her cream pies first thing in the morning. She's too tired once you arive

[Bed Wrecker]

Yes. Punters give her cream pies first thing in the morning. She's too tired once you arive

No need to be a dick.
Poor bastard needs help.

As you do not have the requisite number of posts to private message, no one can discuss privately.

As it is your information doesnt give us a shop, a suburb or even an area.
We have people posting about Brisbane, Gold Coast, Sunny Coast, Cairns etc

I have seen half a dozen shops with foot spas out the front so your hint doesnt help.

Post 01Aug what happens in shops isnt illegal so you can openly discuss services with mls and shops.

You sound timid. If you want action, you need help from a mentor.
If you are just happy getting your massage and excited at possibilities, you still need help.
You are wasting money.
If you dont post again like most first timers, be more direct and go to another shop if they get difficult.

[Gentlemanscarfacethird]

You will cause yourself a lot of grief over thinking what they’re thinking, and there is simply no way to know. What other people think, as you said, is none of your business. It’s out of your control.

But what is within your control?

You could…

Tell her how you feel. If she pretends to not understand you, that’s enough of an answer to know you’re not going to get the connection you desire.

Accept the experience for what it was. In time the situation may change again.

Move on and try some other shops, believe it or not, you will be surprised how quickly someone else can make you forget about her.

Move on and and try other experiences outside of the shops. Join a community group, sport or activity, there’s more to life than cheap hand jobs.

Good luck

[thunder545454]

Long time lurker, 1st time poster.
Now I know many hate the secrets and talking in code but I don’t want to be responsible for directing expectant punters to an ml who may just be legit & who wants to keep it that way.
This shop has 2 large foot spas at the front which are never used. If you have been there then you will know the shop & ml, and if you haven’t then you won’t be able to answer my question anyway.
Been going regularly for about a year. Mature ml - at a guess mid 40’s. Short, cute (imo) friendly, but at times quiet - maybe that’s just with me. Her English seems good and we have nice chats then sometimes it’s like she doesn’t understand what I have said.
Great massage, very relaxing, not a hint of TT, underwear stayed on but still something sensual about it.
I had been maybe a dozen times when I decided to nude up. She was surprised but remained totally professional - massaged everywhere but still avoided TT.
A few more visits then finally on the flip I took a chance and said do you ever do more, she seemed shocked & I thought I’ve fucked this up and she’s going to tell me to get out, but she just pointed to the small lump under the towel. I nodded and next thing towel was whipped away and she’s giving a very good hj. Not mechanical, not rushed, and she sort of asked rather than told when saying $50.
Next visit goes the same, I ask if I can touch, she smiles & nods, I start exploring under clothes, next thing she is letting me undress her, with her removing what I couldn’t get to until she is naked.
This is where it gets confusing for me, have had a further 5 or 6 visits like this, nude with lots of touching allowed but not fully committed to. Same with kissing. Not sure she’s enjoying it or not. Have asked her to get on the table, she just giggles.
And then on my most recent visit - nothing! She kept me on my front the whole time, said finished & left the room.
So, this is the question.
Did I turn a legit ml and get extras because she thinks I’m special and she only stopped because she was falling for me & knew it wouldn’t work…….
Yeah right
Or
Is she giving HJ’s, BJ’s, FS to 3 or 4 different punters every day & only took pity on me because I kept turning up but has now decided she doesn’t want my old paws all over her.
Sorry this is such a long post. Sorry for sounding like a simp. And I know the answer anyway….its none of my damn business what she does with other punters. So why ask - I suppose it’s like many things in life - can’t shake that sense of missing out

She gave me a very good hand job.....

Is she giving hand jobs to 3 or 4 other punters a day?..... I think your statement about very good slow handjob answers that question.

I've never had a good handjob from a girl who isn't jerking guys off for a living.

I would go back once more, tell her to get naked immediately, if she says no, then say ok im off elsewhere then, she is happy to treat you badly, one day this one day that, she wasn't considerate to how you would feel suddenly turning cold as ice towards you.

She didn't care you were ready for a session, you spent your time and money expecting a certain service, you had to walk home blue balled feeling hurt and confused, she didn't care at all.

So why should you be considerate about telling her how it is, tell her get naked or no more business for you simple, she doesn't want to do it, awesome there is a line a mile long of young hot girls ready to make money these days.

[Fitch]

She's definitely getting smashed by other punters m8. Me included. I've gotten FS from her before.

[Kotefan24]

Genuine thanks to all for responses & advice, and I can see how the way I wrote what I did would give the impression I’m new to this game and needing help, but truth is I have been punting in & around Brisbane for 15 years - and I should know better.
I can’t explain why this ml has got in my head so much.
Of course she’s providing extras to others, I know that. I think it’s just a hit to my ego that I feel she holds back with me after all the times I have seen her.
It’s so true about never being totally sure about what someone else is thinking, so why worry about it, and if she is having more fun with other punters than with me then good luck to her.

And you’re right, don’t know why I’m being so cagey about location, do I really think I am protecting her from nasty punters - the shop is a Thai shop in Clontarf.

[Dr Grafton Everest]

Try offering 4 pines for sex, and report back to us how it all goes

[harry444]

Sounds like a nice relationship development and each visit would be exciting, not knowing what is going to happen, but golden rule, don't get involved with an ML. I had a similar girl. One session she just climbed on top and started fucking me. It was heart breaking when she decided to stop.

[Almost Retired]

Long time lurker, 1st time poster.
Now I know many hate the secrets and talking in code but I don’t want to be responsible for directing expectant punters to an ml who may just be legit & who wants to keep it that way.
This shop has 2 large foot spas at the front which are never used. If you have been there then you will know the shop & ml, and if you haven’t then you won’t be able to answer my question anyway.
Been going regularly for about a year. Mature ml - at a guess mid 40’s. Short, cute (imo) friendly, but at times quiet - maybe that’s just with me. Her English seems good and we have nice chats then sometimes it’s like she doesn’t understand what I have said.
Great massage, very relaxing, not a hint of TT, underwear stayed on but still something sensual about it.
I had been maybe a dozen times when I decided to nude up. She was surprised but remained totally professional - massaged everywhere but still avoided TT.
A few more visits then finally on the flip I took a chance and said do you ever do more, she seemed shocked & I thought I’ve fucked this up and she’s going to tell me to get out, but she just pointed to the small lump under the towel. I nodded and next thing towel was whipped away and she’s giving a very good hj. Not mechanical, not rushed, and she sort of asked rather than told when saying $50.
Next visit goes the same, I ask if I can touch, she smiles & nods, I start exploring under clothes, next thing she is letting me undress her, with her removing what I couldn’t get to until she is naked.
This is where it gets confusing for me, have had a further 5 or 6 visits like this, nude with lots of touching allowed but not fully committed to. Same with kissing. Not sure she’s enjoying it or not. Have asked her to get on the table, she just giggles.
And then on my most recent visit - nothing! She kept me on my front the whole time, said finished & left the room.
So, this is the question.
Did I turn a legit ml and get extras because she thinks I’m special and she only stopped because she was falling for me & knew it wouldn’t work…….
Yeah right
Or
Is she giving HJ’s, BJ’s, FS to 3 or 4 different punters every day & only took pity on me because I kept turning up but has now decided she doesn’t want my old paws all over her.
Sorry this is such a long post. Sorry for sounding like a simp. And I know the answer anyway….its none of my damn business what she does with other punters. So why ask - I suppose it’s like many things in life - can’t shake that sense of missing out

The other option that you haven't mentioned or possibly thought of is that a non punter type has gone in for a legit massage and was touched inappropriately in the nether region, and complained.
Maybe the ML got in trouble and got told not to do it again.
However she sounds like the tuck shop lady who knows how to handle a kabana.
As others have said I would ask the question if you are bothered by it.

[rojerramjet]

Long time lurker, 1st time poster.
Now I know many hate the secrets and talking in code but I don’t want to be responsible for directing expectant punters to an ml who may just be legit & who wants to keep it that way.
This shop has 2 large foot spas at the front which are never used. If you have been there then you will know the shop & ml, and if you haven’t then you won’t be able to answer my question anyway.
Been going regularly for about a year. Mature ml - at a guess mid 40’s. Short, cute (imo) friendly, but at times quiet - maybe that’s just with me. Her English seems good and we have nice chats then sometimes it’s like she doesn’t understand what I have said.
Great massage, very relaxing, not a hint of TT, underwear stayed on but still something sensual about it.
I had been maybe a dozen times when I decided to nude up. She was surprised but remained totally professional - massaged everywhere but still avoided TT.
A few more visits then finally on the flip I took a chance and said do you ever do more, she seemed shocked & I thought I’ve fucked this up and she’s going to tell me to get out, but she just pointed to the small lump under the towel. I nodded and next thing towel was whipped away and she’s giving a very good hj. Not mechanical, not rushed, and she sort of asked rather than told when saying $50.
Next visit goes the same, I ask if I can touch, she smiles & nods, I start exploring under clothes, next thing she is letting me undress her, with her removing what I couldn’t get to until she is naked.
This is where it gets confusing for me, have had a further 5 or 6 visits like this, nude with lots of touching allowed but not fully committed to. Same with kissing. Not sure she’s enjoying it or not. Have asked her to get on the table, she just giggles.
And then on my most recent visit - nothing! She kept me on my front the whole time, said finished & left the room.
So, this is the question.
Did I turn a legit ml and get extras because she thinks I’m special and she only stopped because she was falling for me & knew it wouldn’t work…….
Yeah right
Or
Is she giving HJ’s, BJ’s, FS to 3 or 4 different punters every day & only took pity on me because I kept turning up but has now decided she doesn’t want my old paws all over her.
Sorry this is such a long post. Sorry for sounding like a simp. And I know the answer anyway….its none of my damn business what she does with other punters. So why ask - I suppose it’s like many things in life - can’t shake that sense of missing out

Shop name and we could tell you.

[Fitch]

She gave me a very good hand job.....

Is she giving hand jobs to 3 or 4 other punters a day?..... I think your statement about very good slow handjob answers that question.

I've never had a good handjob from a girl who isn't jerking guys off for a living.

I would go back once more, tell her to get naked immediately, if she says no, then say ok im off elsewhere then, she is happy to treat you badly, one day this one day that, she wasn't considerate to how you would feel suddenly turning cold as ice towards you.

She didn't care you were ready for a session, you spent your time and money expecting a certain service, you had to walk home blue balled feeling hurt and confused, she didn't care at all.

So why should you be considerate about telling her how it is, tell her get naked or no more business for you simple, she doesn't want to do it, awesome there is a line a mile long of young hot girls ready to make money these days.

This is the best advice.
Seems like he is developing oneitis for a ML, huge mistake. Need to live with variety- we are men. Need to dictate a little more with your money.
I'd probably never return to her tbh. Find about 10 other MLs and have sex with them all. Get it out of your system.

[Ace01]

working on the assumption of OP posted a genuine question- from my previous experiences: if she is offering only to you because she likes you, enjoy while it lasts because it wont; she is extremely unlikely to offer to you only and also you both are also unlikely develop into a serious long term relationship knowing the history unless there is a huge imbalance of needs between the parties.

If you are here, it means a genuine one to one relationship is not enough for you (lets all not kid ourselves)- So unless your kink is to convert the "seemingly innocent", then just treat this like a commercial transaction- enjoy it while it lasts, but be ready to move on or get some other variety- dont get emotionally involved- you will feel like a fool once the blood goes back to your brain.

[Fitch]

working on the assumption of OP posted a genuine question- from my previous experiences: if she is offering only to you because she likes you, enjoy while it lasts because it wont; she is extremely unlikely to offer to you only and also you both are also unlikely develop into a serious long term relationship knowing the history unless there is a huge imbalance of needs between the parties.

If you are here, it means a genuine one to one relationship is not enough for you (lets all not kid ourselves)- So unless your kink is to convert the "seemingly innocent", then just treat this like a commercial transaction- enjoy it while it lasts, but be ready to move on or get some other variety- dont get emotionally involved- you will feel like a fool once the blood goes back to your brain.
Pretty certain he's at the 'feeling like a fool' stage now.
He needs to fuck another girl to clear head space.

[flamejob]

Could be a number of reasons she decided to stop, including the shop warning staff not to do it. I went to a legit shop in a shopping centre and had an awesome massage from an older Thai woman several years ago. She had asked I keep underwear on and had stated that they don't do extras there, which I thought was a bit presumptious of my intentions and that I was being profiled ... although not entirely wrong. Anyway, because her massage was so good, I kept going back. Over time, she had moved to another shop and same thing, just did the massage, although by now I wasn't keeping underwear on. On the flips, she would always cover me with a towel and despite any raging boner wouldn't go further. I never asked her for extras because she'd been clear on that first appointment about not doing extras. Then one day, completely out of the blue, she slid her hand under the towel and finally took care of me with a fantastic hj. She never asked for any money and I didn't offer any. The next time, she offered a hj but asked for $50, which I paid. Over the years she would continue with the hjs, but then their frequency started to slow so that she wouldn't always give me endings, even if I asked. She ended up running her own shop and would sometimes offer me an ending, other times not. I'd sometimes book a four-hand massage, or even 6-hand, at her shop. One day, I'd booked a 4-hand massage and she was still in a massage, so the 2nd masseuse came in and started my massage while we waited for her. This masseuse whispered in my ear that she could give me extras, but had to be before the owner came in because she wasn't allowed to - so she quickly finished me with a nice bj. I chuckled to myself knowing full well that the owner had been giving me endings for years. I'm not sure why she would sometimes do the endings and sometimes not, but I just enjoyed the times she did them, and other times, just enjoyed a sensational massage and would go elsewhere if i really needed guaranteed extras.

[fossilbone]

Years ago I went a legit place with my ex-wife every week. She went to one room I went to another. I had the same cute Indonesian who would give me the best hj every week, I never asked once but it was obvious. One week we come out and she turns to my wife and also smiling at me says how great I am because I never asked for extras and so many men did. And it was true, I never asked.

[Kotefan24]

No question that I am feeling a bit foolish starting this thread but I’m sure we have all had a swim in that Egyptian river at least once and got a bit attached to an ml thinking they have connected with just you.
Then the blood starts flowing properly again and all the flags come in to view - the box of tissues & the full bin in the corner (maybe she’s got a cold), the eftpos machine in reception, all the mirrors, what she is wearing and how rubbish she was at massaging.
Then you realise you are just a paying customer. Level of service might be affected if you are clean, smell nice, polite, courteous & respectful or you might get real lucky & get an ml on a day they are so horny they decide they are having some fun too, but most of the time all you mean to them is about what’s in your wallet.
The thing with the shop & ml I was visiting (& the whole experience) it had a mix of flags which is why I got confused- 1 or 2 in the RnT corner but most on the legit side.

[Kotefan24]

Not rocket science and not much that hasn’t been said before in other threads but most of what’s been posted hits the nail on the head - Flamejob’s storey mirrors mine in many ways (I kept going when no extras were happening because I did enjoy the massage) except he dealt with the randomness of extra’s being delivered with maturity & logic, I, on the other hand, act like an entitled prick, wanting to know what she does with others, to compare with what I get.
I’ve moved on and not been back for over a month. I have nothing but good memories & wishes for her & I will go & see her again one day but will just get my head straight first.

[Kotefan24]

I meant ATM in reception - not eftpos. Couldn’t believe it when HK had one installed a while back.
There can’t be a more blatant recognition of what is going on than by giving punters an on-site opportunity to draw out anonymous cash rather than paying for their massage & extras with a card to a shop which will appear on a statement.

[Max55]

Hi kotofan, if it's HK you're talking about I didn't think it was Thai.
But that's by the by..
I too have been to the headspace you were in, back in the beginning of my punting adventure...
And as luck would have it, the ml was the older sister of the owner of HK at Redcliffe. ( Not sure if it's still the original owner of 7/8 years ago)
We ended up living together for a few months, which was convenient for both of us..I had ample massage and good times for free, she had a live in linguist who could deal with Tradies etc for all the renos on her home, and it was great while it lasted but at last my big brain overcame my little brain and I left to go my own way..
During all this she would travel to Sydney to work in one of the Asian places down there on a regular basis, return with a bulging bank account and life went on..
So, I think at the end of the day there are a lot of us who fantasize about mls and maybe wish we could have one that lived to cater to our every need..
But..I'm hoping that and by your recent replies I feel that you were asking advice, and have had that advice given by some of us .
So good luck to you, it can be a lonely world out there which can set us on the road to disappointment..

[CumShot]

I meant ATM in reception - not eftpos. Couldn’t believe it when HK had one installed a while back.
There can’t be a more blatant recognition of what is going on than by giving punters an on-site opportunity to draw out anonymous cash rather than paying for their massage & extras with a card to a shop which will appear on a statement.

at the ATM most likely has a ridiculous ATM fee.

[ABCguy]

at the ATM most likely has a ridiculous ATM fee.

it's fine if you're with Macquarie, they'll refund the fee from any ATM in Australia which is highly convenient especially when shop and brothel ATMs charge a high ATM fee usually. No need to do a detour to your bank's ATM before arriving just to try and save that fee is what I am saying.

[Kotefan24]

Hi Max55 and thank you.
Just to be clear - the Thai shop I was talking about is in Main St Clontarf, and yes, raising the subject and getting responses has helped straighten my thinking and put things in perspective, and I can see that it’s less to do with falling for an ml (as lovely as I do find her) and more about my vanity & ego. Need to give myself a slap now & then.

I only mentioned HK because of the ATM thing, but that’s an interesting storey about the owners sister.
I am going back over 10 years, so we are probably talking about different people, but was the owner called Erica? - she was quite a character & a lot of fun.
My memory is sketchy but I remember she had the prices on a board at the front of the shop - 30 mins $40, 60 mins $65 etc and specialist $110.
I asked about the specialist & she said she was the specialist. Thought I’d give it a go. She came into the room wearing this dress which flopped around enough to make it obvious she had nothing else on underneath.
Not much of a massage followed but well worth $110. Not seen her in years, guessing HK has changed hands since then.

[rojerramjet]

Hi kotofan, if it's HK you're talking about I didn't think it was Thai.
But that's by the by..
I too have been to the headspace you were in, back in the beginning of my punting adventure...
And as luck would have it, the ml was the older sister of the owner of HK at Redcliffe. ( Not sure if it's still the original owner of 7/8 years ago)
We ended up living together for a few months, which was convenient for both of us..I had ample massage and good times for free, she had a live in linguist who could deal with Tradies etc for all the renos on her home, and it was great while it lasted but at last my big brain overcame my little brain and I left to go my own way..
During all this she would travel to Sydney to work in one of the Asian places down there on a regular basis, return with a bulging bank account and life went on..
So, I think at the end of the day there are a lot of us who fantasize about mls and maybe wish we could have one that lived to cater to our every need..
But..I'm hoping that and by your recent replies I feel that you were asking advice, and have had that advice given by some of us .
So good luck to you, it can be a lonely world out there which can set us on the road to disappointment..

Great shop back then , Erica was a great lady never got anything except a massage , girls after were great , Sasa lovely and her crew ...

[Max55]

You're welcome Koto..
Yes it was Erica's sister, her name was Lily. Never had a massage with Erica, but had a few social events with her, the kids and hubby..
HK was a well run shop, with a good following. Used to be a steady turnover of staff but slow enough to get to know the girls..
I haven't been back in years though..
As for the original topic, I reckon we could say with 99% certainty that there are many more than one or two punters who have been lovestruck at some point..
After all, the girls want us to come back so the smart ones fill our heads with praise and ideas..lol.

[HughJorgan]

"at the ATM most likely has a ridiculous ATM fee. "


If you have a transaction a/c with MacQuarie they will reverse the atm fee on any atm in Australia and they pay good interest for a transaction a/c.