Female Punter!

[lilac]

Hiiii guysss,

Been lurking this forum and thought it was finally time to make a post.

I’m thrilled because I finally found a shop with MLs willing to service female clients.

It’s been pretty hard to find a place I guess cause places either think I don’t understand it’s an RnT or won’t want extras / tip well.

About to have my first experience, wish me luck!

Any other chicks on this forum or anyone have more info on shops that are serving women?

Thanks :)

[speranza]

Assuming this is legit, welcome Lilac. It's a little odd though because most RnT's I thought doubled as legitimate massage establishments. I once bought my wife a legit massage and she came home saying she was pretty sure the place offered happy endings. Anyway, once you do have your session, and if it does have a happy ending, everyone here will be most interested to read all the details. 😃

[Revenant]

My advice is to peruse the shop roster section on this forum then message the shops on WeChat and ask what services the girls provide.

http://www.aus99forum.com/forumdisplay.php?20-Sydney-Shop-Roster

Good luck

[lilac]

Vinnie go the whole way and actually chop your cock off & pretend to be a woman in real life too.

Haha I don’t know who Vinnie is or what to tell you, I’m really a chick. I know it’s not that common for girls to do this thing, but I’m in my twenties and relentlessly horny, even so much that my partner can’t keep up 😅 I would never hookup with guys cause that would feel like cheating, but MLs are fair game.

[lilac]

Assuming this is legit, welcome Lilac. It's a little odd though because most RnT's I thought doubled as legitimate massage establishments. I once bought my wife a legit massage and she came home saying she was pretty sure the place offered happy endings. Anyway, once you do have your session, and if it does have a happy ending, everyone here will be most interested to read all the details. 😃

Thank youuuu!

I think a lot do. But they won’t really offer extras to female clients. Not sure if it’s because they don’t want to, or they think I don’t, or both hahaha.

A lot of the more obvious RnT places will just always say they’re busy when they hear a girl on the phone. Sadly :(

Don’t worry, I’ll be back to update shortly..

[keebab]

I'm looking forward to this AR.

I'll ask my regulars how they feel about female clientele as well. Honestly curious about what they'll say.

[dotcumdotinyou]

A female punter???

If you're real them why on earth do you need to pay for it, just go down to any pub and pick up the drunkest guy there. I've seen some fuckin ugly women score at the end of the night.

[punk_]

Everyone online is very sceptical about this being a real post. Fair enough but also anecdotally I have had female friends say they'd 100% pay for a RnT. Given only a couple and pretty wild girls mind you. But on a few seperate occasions when I was describing how a r&t works to them on the beers. Two of them in their own way were like. If I would get the same treatment as a man and not just given a normal massage I'd fucking love a 45 minute massage and then they like put a glove on and tease and rub me off at the end or even better a vibe. And I don't think they're kidding. It's just most shops are Asian and most Asian woman aren't bi or bi curious. I said to them both to try a decent private out for like 150 200 bucks.

[lilac]

A female punter???

If you're real them why on earth do you need to pay for it, just go down to any pub and pick up the drunkest guy there. I've seen some fuckin ugly women score at the end of the night.

Hahah because the experience is way different with a guy. I’m actually not the type to really sleep around with guys, my number is in the single digits. I’m in a LTR with a great guy, even better sex.

It’s just the experience of the shop, the girl, the massage and its sensuality, etc. The soft relaxing massage and HE you get from a chick at a shop is way different to a rough pounding in doggy from a dude lol.

Hope this clears things up hahah

[Zoobender]

I would bet this is another Vinnie persona. Happy to be proven wrong and if you are legit then welcome to the forum.

Heyro my engrish no good, miso sorry.

[Ned]

If youre legit good on ya for posting up. No doubt there are girls catering to girls and plenty bi. Post up your after reports as no doubt theres other girls lurking but dont have the balls to ask but it only takes one to get it all going. Good luck and happy punting

[Nthnrr]

If the person is real, they can simply write the date on a piece of paper, hold it above their pussy and take a photo. No face or way of being identified but pretty hard to fake although not impossible!

[gco0307]

As a couple, my wife and I have had couples massages where the ML has performed all usual antics on my wife (Body Slide, full nude rub) and has offered to play with my wofe until orgasm, but my wife was not after that part of the massages, she just loved the body/body contact aspects, so yes they are there.

We have had this treatment at parlours and privately although the privates have since retired.

Hope all goes well, and enjoy

[Wombat1]

I have gone with my partner to Roseville Rose, the girls there are happy to go all out on the girls, it was very fun times. Their rate was $250 for 30 mins.

[The Sampler]

It works out well for female punters, those massage spas that women go to cost 200+ just for 45 minutes.

200 at an RnT at least gets a decent massage and gets you off!

[Kizuraz]

I once unknowingly encountered a female punter in the waiting room at Sakura57. I thought she was a WL in-between shifts or something, but then a WL came in to take her to a room!

[schloong]

Welcome to the forum lilac. What area are you in as I know of a place that openly advertises it caters for both men & women?

[Boomer77]

Vinnie go the whole way and actually chop your cock off & pretend to be a woman in real life too.

LOL. Was thinking the same thing too…

[Johny77]

It’s definitely Vinnie. Sad.

[Jamez11]

You’ve got to be the first “chick” to refer to other chicks as “chicks”.

Ah Vinnie, I admire your perseverance.

But please leave an AR!

[tezzaman18]

Not much making any sense here !

You said you have a great guy ...... he can't keep up with you ..... but you have great sex with him? And he can't keep up with you? If you are a nympho ... I can't see a female ML meeting your needs.


Going to an RnT place to check it out ....with a female ML ......... for extra services?

Frankly, it's quite amazing you are lurking on this Forum? Asking for help from these members when all you needed was to call up RnT shops and speak to the Mamasan about your special request.

I know that the ML i see will happily serve female customers. Good masseuse too. Not sure about the extra services. Lol.Lol.

If you do not respond ........ we know who you are.




Hahah because the experience is way different with a guy. I’m actually not the type to really sleep around with guys, my number is in the single digits. I’m in a LTR with a great guy, even better sex.

It’s just the experience of the shop, the girl, the massage and its sensuality, etc. The soft relaxing massage and HE you get from a chick at a shop is way different to a rough pounding in doggy from a dude lol.

Hope this clears things up hahah

[aussiegaigin]

THere's sure to be a few places which would provide lesbian massages. Try around Darlinghurst/Surry Hills.

[Johny77]

I imagine ‘lilac’ will soon be flooded with private messages from punters on the forum (once private message access is granted). I think Vinnie will enjoy and get off on that.

[Elbortomorton]

Kings Court offers female on female action I am pretty sure 👍🏻 maybe give them a msg on there site

[SiberianKhatru98]

Any lore on who is Vinnie?

[Backdraft69]

I know one shop where there are a lot of female customers. Just a hand job is on offer for the guys. The boss lady does an amazing arse massage and she told me a lady came twice during the massage. [emoji1787]

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[Alreadydid]

In Thailand there are coyotes that work for the pub/club they are usually women but can also be men. I have friends (women) there that pay the coyote guys for a good time and good root with a good looking guy. It's kinda like in Japan how they have those guy fan bars . It's pretty common in Asia for women to pay for/seek these services

[Folcis]

Everyone online is very sceptical about this being a real post.
.

My regular had a female punter once upon a time. Until she taiught the boyfriend her secrets anyway.

[Revenant]

It’s definitely Vinnie. Sad.

Wrong


You’ve got to be the first “chick” to refer to other chicks as “chicks”.

Ah Vinnie, I admire your perseverance.

But please leave an AR!

Wrong


Any lore on who is Vinnie?


Vinnie is blamed for the rain, the drought, not winning the lotto, there being mould in bread and a plethora of other every day issues. Did someone cut you off in traffic today? It must have been Vinnie on the way to a punt! Who’s that guy standing over there, I don’t know him, it must be Vinnie!

When it relates to this forum he is despised by some, loved by some and is the person who is blamed for every thread that looks a bit suss. Blamed for telling a true story about his life and blamed for telling more, doing more and punting more. He’s blamed for dating multiple SWs and writing about it. He often wonders if the shop owners who post here don’t like him dating their contractors even. But let’s be real, they all date someone don’t they? As long as they turn up for work that’s all that matters… well one hasn’t, but that wasn’t Vinnie’s doing or was it, can they be sure?

He’s a character no doubt and that character is a question mark ❓

[lilac]

Not much making any sense here !

You said you have a great guy ...... he can't keep up with you ..... but you have great sex with him? And he can't keep up with you? If you are a nympho ... I can't see a female ML meeting your needs.


Going to an RnT place to check it out ....with a female ML ......... for extra services?

Frankly, it's quite amazing you are lurking on this Forum? Asking for help from these members when all you needed was to call up RnT shops and speak to the Mamasan about your special request.

I know that the ML i see will happily serve female customers. Good masseuse too. Not sure about the extra services. Lol.Lol.

If you do not respond ........ we know who you are.

I don’t get what’s so confusing hahah. He’s a great partner like, qualities wise. And our sex is amazinggg, hahah like every girl’s dream, it’s passionate, rough but still gentle, honestly I have no complaints. But you know what it’s like with guys vs girls hahah, my partner will give one, maybe two rounds, after that he needs a good meal and a few hours to recharge. But I could keep going wayy past that. 😅

I think a ML definitely meets my needs hahah I have my partner for the “real deal” I guess, and with the MLs it’s just a softer, relaxing experience. It’s like the benefits of a regular massage, but you also get off, which I have a really high drive for. Plus it satiates my curiosity/desire for something “different” i.e girls.

It sounds easy. But it’s not. I’ve called A LOT and they usually will say they’re busy no bookings even like next week lol. I recently spoke to one guy who manages a shop and he was soooo highly suspicious of me on the phone. Wouldn’t give me any information and even said that they don’t offer that type of service even though their website literally has girls profiles and a roster tab lol. Don’t know if this is common or because they hear a young girl’s voice and think they’re gonna get in some shit lol.

I agree that some places would be open to giving massage to a female. The guy I spoke to was happy to have a girl massage me. But when I wanted more info, the narrative changed a bit hahah.

And also, I’m definitely not this guy ‘Vinnie’ everyone on this forum thinks I am :( I get it, it’s pretty unusual to see girls doing this kinda thing. I guess for me it’s because I’m straight in real life lol, like I’ve never had romantic relationships with girls or any of that. And I’m in a relationship so I wouldn’t really go out to bars or clubs without my partner. So it’s kinda weird or unnatural for me to go somewhere and try to flirt with girls and “pick them up.” Plus usually if a girl isn’t straight and I flirt with her and she finds out I have a partner she thinks I’m using her as an experience (which i guess is trueeee lol because im not actually looking to be with her) and those bi/lesbian chicks don’t like that. Additionally, I look super straight, (super feminine and very much like ‘clean girl aesthetic’ lol) like I don’t have coloured hair or piercings or tattoos or anything that would sort of identify me. So they wouldn’t approach me. But I also muchhhh prefer girls that have a similar classic style to me, which more MLs have than the chicks in lesbian bars.

[Zoobender]

Any lore on who is Vinnie?

Yeh he is a dumb cunt who still breast feeds from his dead mums boobs

[lilac]

Welcome to the forum lilac. What area are you in as I know of a place that openly advertises it caters for both men & women?

that surprises meee as I’ve looked and called a bunch of places but not much luck.

i’m sort of inner west, like close to the airport. something in the suburbs surrounding the airport would be ideal.

[lilac]

I know one shop where there are a lot of female customers. Just a hand job is on offer for the guys. The boss lady does an amazing arse massage and she told me a lady came twice during the massage. [emoji1787]

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omg really that surprises me. i don’t know why but places near me seem to always reject female clientele. i tried booking a place and when i went there they said “sorry we are closing now” but i ran into a guy who entered just after me.

i would loveee that service so much hahah.

[Revenant]

Yeh he is a dumb cunt who still breast feeds from his dead mums boobs


Is that supposed to be funny or is it supposed to garner a reaction? I’ll forget your pissweak post as I have something to tell the forum. I actually dropped a hint about her in my previous post, didn’t you get it? The bit about her not turning up for work…

I’ve got some great news, really great news.

I’ve scored again yesterday, another WL. I’m friggin’ serious and I’m over the moon, I’ve already told my best mate as he’s kept in the loop always with my conquests and now it’s public here too.

This one I’ve dated previously but now she’s succumbed. Everything comes to those that wait you see, well maybe not you Zoobender as you don’t try but guys like myself that actually try, get.

You’ll read about it more when she’s a full time live in GF and to tell the truth I consider her a keeper so read into that what you will.

You Zoobender may call it fake news, a story, a fantasy but it’s very very very real. I cannot believe my luck actually,

There you have it.

Now what was your last post about Zoobender? Whatever it was it’s so far off the fuckin’ radar I couldn’t care less.

[Zoobender]

Is that supposed to be funny or is it supposed to garner a reaction? I’ll forget your pissweak post as I have something to tell the forum. I actually dropped a hint about her in my previous post, didn’t you get it? The bit about her not turning up for work…

I’ve got some great news, really great news.

I’ve scored again yesterday, another WL. I’m friggin’ serious and I’m over the moon, I’ve already told my best mate as he’s kept in the loop always with my conquests and now it’s public here too.

This one I’ve dated previously but now she’s succumbed. Everything comes to those that wait you see, well maybe not you Zoobender as you don’t try but guys like myself that actually try, get.

You’ll read about it more when she’s a full time live in GF and to tell the truth I consider her a keeper so read into that what you will.

You Zoobender may call it fake news, a story, a fantasy but it’s very very very real. I cannot believe my luck actually,

There you have it.

Now what was your last post about Zoobender? Whatever it was it’s so far off the fuckin’ radar I couldn’t care less.

For someone who forgot my "piss weak" post you did a terrible job of actually forgetting... Your rambling basically named me 3 times lol. The only thing piss weak are your stories. No woman is dating you, we all know that.

The forum doesn't care mate, I think you have burnt all your bridges so no one believes anything you post.

The real truth is you are an attention seeking cumslut who is ignored and disregarded by society and most of all.. Any attractive woman so you have to come on here and make up stories to try and fit in. Any dude who was actually dating a bunch of woman wouldnt be creating dozens of profiles just to post on here. They would be too busy fucking the girls. Even if you did date some women I reckon they would tap out on the first date.

I've dated a few girls from the shops and 2 of them are goats here...1 is long gone back home now but her name comes up here still I've never posted about those situations or relationships a) because it's not punting 2) because I was busy fucking them at my place and theirs and or dating them. And I didn't need the validation of anyone here since I already had the girls.

I'm sure there are many guys on here in the same boat at one time or another. Some post some don't. But they don't create fake stories and use multiple accounts to try and fool people LOL

Basically we all see through your bullshit and your posts are just mild entertainment for everyone on here. Your contributions mean nothing if they are fake, you may as well just lurk because I'd rather that then reading some fantasy story you made up.


I like calling you out but I am disappointed in your ability to strike back in a battle of wits.. You are not very witty or smart so it's like I'm taking candy from a baby. It's not much fun for me due to your lack of banter skill. Sorry not sorry

[Revenant]

Zoobender I named you because you started the accusations and I responded. No other reason, do you think I should back down when I’m in the right?

This forum is about punting and I do that and I’ve written reviews. I also happen to date some SWs and I’ve also written about that.

Why this upsets you I just don’t know.

Am I allowed to punt?
Am I allowed to write about it?
Am I allowed to date SWs?
Am I allowed to write about it?

Apparently it riles you enough to continually have a go at me. Why is that?

Could it be penis envy?
Could it be punting envy?
Could it be dating envy?

Not sure why, please tell me.

At least five times on this forum I’ve offered to shout guys to single and multiple punt sessions or to watch. I don’t care either way.

At least three times I’ve offered to shout punters and their SW GFs to lunch, a double date.

No one had ever taken up any of my offers.

It’s not desperation on my behalf it’s validation. Yes it’s the same old same old validation bit on an anonymous forum. This would put to rest any false accusations on my punting ability and who I date. Yet you continue day after day to attempt to call me out. Perhaps you failed with your WLs or were burnt and the fact someone else is in control of their life and their women when quite possibly you are not upsets you?

Who knows?

[GoldfishMan]

Another mole to whack. Lol...

Here's the thing vinnie. You've done this too many times, now everyone here knows your "pattern". You go on these "streaks" where you suddenly bombard this forum with many alt accounts, all in a short timeframe. There are so many flaws in your "method" it's laughably easy to spot you. I'm not going to give you any tips how to improve, lolll... But suffice to say, the moment your new thread comes up, most of us would know it's you. Lollll.....

[Revenant]

I like calling you out but I am disappointed in your ability to strike back in a battle of wits.. You are not very witty or smart so it's like I'm taking candy from a baby. It's not much fun for me due to your lack of banter skill. Sorry not sorry


You like calling me out?
So that’s it, that’s your reason!

Look, I’m not here to strike back in any battle of wits or even banter. I joined up because the site had good intel and I got some great punts out of it, in fact I’ve never had one dud punt.

I wanted to just write about my experiences but the trouble is I’ve had so many accounts and written a lot of reviews and I simply forget now as it’s all become a blur.

If I’d only been given the chance to have only one account and allowed to keep it everything would be fine. It’s like the bible, do you know who all the contributors are? Now my life story is fragmented across multiple accounts on this forum and there’s no hope of ever reconciling every punt story or after report.

Yes it’s a life story, my life.

[Revenant]

Another mole to whack. Lol...

Here's the thing vinnie. You've done this too many times, now everyone here knows your "pattern". You go on these "streaks" where you suddenly bombard this forum with many alt accounts, all in a short timeframe. There are so many flaws in your "method" it's laughably easy to spot you. I'm not going to give you any tips how to improve, lolll... But suffice to say, the moment your new thread comes up, most of us would know it's you. Lollll.....


I’m glad you responded GoldfishMan thank you.

Eons ago some forum member boasted they could read my writing style. I’ll give you an example, the clothes you wear walking down the street are an image you wish to project. So I project a forum image and that image is the real me.

Any of these new threads written by any name except Revenant are not me. I’m still telling you folk about “my women” and last Thursday I think I’ve struck gold, well maybe she thinks she has… time will tell but she’s beautiful. This is fact and who else am I going to tell it to except my male friends who I trust and this anonymous forum.

Sooner or later every SW has to pull the pin and settle down and so do I. Given the fact I’ve dated six in the last twelve months AND written about some of them and received your input on those threads good and bad I have absolutely no need to start another wanting advice. Oh I’ll start one and tell you guys we are living together when it happens and perhaps some of you may get an invite to a party or two if you’re brave as I’m not bashful but I’m not here to write up dodgy threads with a haha or bro expression in them.

[Johny77]

Just give it up Vinnie. No one believes any of your made up little fantasies. You obviously enjoy forum members laughing at your expense. A true masochist.

[Bunningsnag]

I don’t get what’s so confusing hahah. He’s a great partner like, qualities wise. And our sex is amazinggg, hahah like every girl’s dream, it’s passionate, rough but still gentle, honestly I have no complaints. But you know what it’s like with guys vs girls hahah, my partner will give one, maybe two rounds, after that he needs a good meal and a few hours to recharge. But I could keep going wayy past that. 😅

I think a ML definitely meets my needs hahah I have my partner for the “real deal” I guess, and with the MLs it’s just a softer, relaxing experience. It’s like the benefits of a regular massage, but you also get off, which I have a really high drive for. Plus it satiates my curiosity/desire for something “different” i.e girls.

It sounds easy. But it’s not. I’ve called A LOT and they usually will say they’re busy no bookings even like next week lol. I recently spoke to one guy who manages a shop and he was soooo highly suspicious of me on the phone. Wouldn’t give me any information and even said that they don’t offer that type of service even though their website literally has girls profiles and a roster tab lol. Don’t know if this is common or because they hear a young girl’s voice and think they’re gonna get in some shit lol.

I agree that some places would be open to giving massage to a female. The guy I spoke to was happy to have a girl massage me. But when I wanted more info, the narrative changed a bit hahah.

And also, I’m definitely not this guy ‘Vinnie’ everyone on this forum thinks I am :( I get it, it’s pretty unusual to see girls doing this kinda thing. I guess for me it’s because I’m straight in real life lol, like I’ve never had romantic relationships with girls or any of that. And I’m in a relationship so I wouldn’t really go out to bars or clubs without my partner. So it’s kinda weird or unnatural for me to go somewhere and try to flirt with girls and “pick them up.” Plus usually if a girl isn’t straight and I flirt with her and she finds out I have a partner she thinks I’m using her as an experience (which i guess is trueeee lol because im not actually looking to be with her) and those bi/lesbian chicks don’t like that. Additionally, I look super straight, (super feminine and very much like ‘clean girl aesthetic’ lol) like I don’t have coloured hair or piercings or tattoos or anything that would sort of identify me. So they wouldn’t approach me. But I also muchhhh prefer girls that have a similar classic style to me, which more MLs have than the chicks in lesbian bars.

Ignore all the chest beating Lilac 😂 and make sure you update us on your experience when you find a place. Best of luck.

[aussiegaigin]

that surprises meee as I’ve looked and called a bunch of places but not much luck.

i’m sort of inner west, like close to the airport. something in the suburbs surrounding the airport would be ideal.

Perhaps try some of the Thai massage places; they might be more amenable to female clientele.

[Steven Wong]

I don’t get what’s so confusing hahah. He’s a great partner like, qualities wise. And our sex is amazinggg, hahah like every girl’s dream, it’s passionate, rough but still gentle, honestly I have no complaints. But you know what it’s like with guys vs girls hahah, my partner will give one, maybe two rounds, after that he needs a good meal and a few hours to recharge. But I could keep going wayy past that. 😅

I think a ML definitely meets my needs hahah I have my partner for the “real deal” I guess, and with the MLs it’s just a softer, relaxing experience. It’s like the benefits of a regular massage, but you also get off, which I have a really high drive for. Plus it satiates my curiosity/desire for something “different” i.e girls.

It sounds easy. But it’s not. I’ve called A LOT and they usually will say they’re busy no bookings even like next week lol. I recently spoke to one guy who manages a shop and he was soooo highly suspicious of me on the phone. Wouldn’t give me any information and even said that they don’t offer that type of service even though their website literally has girls profiles and a roster tab lol. Don’t know if this is common or because they hear a young girl’s voice and think they’re gonna get in some shit lol.

I agree that some places would be open to giving massage to a female. The guy I spoke to was happy to have a girl massage me. But when I wanted more info, the narrative changed a bit hahah.

And also, I’m definitely not this guy ‘Vinnie’ everyone on this forum thinks I am :( I get it, it’s pretty unusual to see girls doing this kinda thing. I guess for me it’s because I’m straight in real life lol, like I’ve never had romantic relationships with girls or any of that. And I’m in a relationship so I wouldn’t really go out to bars or clubs without my partner. So it’s kinda weird or unnatural for me to go somewhere and try to flirt with girls and “pick them up.” Plus usually if a girl isn’t straight and I flirt with her and she finds out I have a partner she thinks I’m using her as an experience (which i guess is trueeee lol because im not actually looking to be with her) and those bi/lesbian chicks don’t like that. Additionally, I look super straight, (super feminine and very much like ‘clean girl aesthetic’ lol) like I don’t have coloured hair or piercings or tattoos or anything that would sort of identify me. So they wouldn’t approach me. But I also muchhhh prefer girls that have a similar classic style to me, which more MLs have than the chicks in lesbian bars.


Hi Lilac , Sorry first time post here. I might found something u need. Which day is your preference? im massage therapist myself 👌

[Steven Wong]

Hi Lilac , Sorry first time post here. Might find something you need any chance to PM ? Dont really know this works.

[jedibear]

omg really that surprises me. i don’t know why but places near me seem to always reject female clientele. i tried booking a place and when i went there they said “sorry we are closing now” but i ran into a guy who entered just after me.

i would loveee that service so much hahah.

Lilac, but there are plenty of private male escorts out there...wouldn't that be a better option for you than these massage shops? I think a lot of MLs would know how to service a guy, but not necessarily a female. Just like...I'm a young heterosexual man. For me, I know my way around a woman's body. But fuck, I wouldn't know what to do with a guy tbh with you. Not that there's anything wrong with that...its just not my orientation and I just don't know. Many of these MLs would probably be the same as me...but from a female's perspective...

You might be better off with a male escort service.

[Revenant]

Why not call a brothel and ask? They start at $280 an hour roughly but you’ll definetly get what you want. Any brothel that advertises double acts would be a good start and these two below do. So there shouldn’t be a problem one on one.

N5M is in Marrickville and close to you.
Ginza is in Surry Hills and also close.

[bummer]

Geez, if Lilac is real, she isn't shwing... but that could just be inexperience.

I remember a drunken girlfriend of a friend bitching one night on this, that basically she wanted a real massage and a bit more and not what any of the guys around were offering.
No she wasn't gay, but sort of want a bit of a gay-ish type session. I actually referred her a male friend I had who knew someone who actually managed to satisfy her curiosity. So if she's real, she'll know maybe how to approach it with resorting to the pubic shit thrown around here. oh and definitely did not want any cock action.

[lilac]

hahah thank you for the suggestion but maybe you didn’t see my earlier replies?

also… in what world would a woman pay a guy for sex? if i even wanted that it would take about 2 minutes of being in a club or swiping on the apps. i’ve even seen unattractive, overweight women score with decent looking guys. it wouldn’t be a problem for me. i can’t believe that’s even a service that exists lol.

it’s specifically the experience of the girl that is appealing for me. 😅

[lilac]

Why not call a brothel and ask? They start at $280 an hour roughly but you’ll definetly get what you want. Any brothel that advertises double acts would be a good start and these two below do. So there shouldn’t be a problem one on one.

N5M is in Marrickville and close to you.
Ginza is in Surry Hills and also close.

maybe should try this. i was always more after a ML type of experience rather directly going to a brothel, but might be worth a shot if i have no luck elsewhere.

avoided Ginza a lot because it’s very Asian hahah.

[Jamez11]

Geez, if Lilac is real, she isn't shwing... but that could just be inexperience.

I remember a drunken girlfriend of a friend bitching one night on this, that basically she wanted a real massage and a bit more and not what any of the guys around were offering.
No she wasn't gay, but sort of want a bit of a gay-ish type session. I actually referred her a male friend I had who knew someone who actually managed to satisfy her curiosity. So if she's real, she'll know maybe how to approach it with resorting to the pubic shit thrown around here. oh and definitely did not want any cock action.

Women don’t typically come onto punter forums full of men looking for advice on where they can go to pay to get their clit rubbed. They would simply just go to E&B look for a ML that service’s women and be as discreet as fuk about it and move on and definitely wouldn’t keep coming back and write 7 paragraph responses and talk about how horny they are😂.

Took less than 3 minutes.

https://www.escortsandbabes.com.au/Profile/NSW/Sydney/Independent/Miss_Melissa/

Vinnessa, when are you writing that AR?

[Zoobender]

Women don’t typically come onto punter forums full of men looking for advice on where they can go to pay to get their clit rubbed. They would simply just go to E&B look for a ML that service’s women and be as discreet as fuk about it and move on and definitely wouldn’t keep coming back and write 7 paragraph responses and talk about how horny they are😂.

Took less than 3 minutes.

https://www.escortsandbabes.com.au/Profile/NSW/Sydney/Independent/Miss_Melissa/

Vinnessa, when are you writing that AR?

I called it early. Fuck me this drop kick must have 9 lives.. Or atleast 9 accounts..

[PussyBonpensiero]

also… in what world would a woman pay a guy for sex? if i even wanted that it would take about 2 minutes of being in a club or swiping on the apps. i’ve even seen unattractive, overweight women score with decent looking guys. it wouldn’t be a problem for me. i can’t believe that’s even a service that exists lol.


This sounds exactly like a guy.

[PussyBonpensiero]

avoided Ginza a lot because it’s very Asian hahah.

Avoided ginza a lot? As opposed to other brothels you frequent?

[Johny77]

Textbook Vinnie. Start a thread that will supposedly garner interest. He obviously gets off on all the responses.

[rooter]

definitely a dude.

[lilac]

the responses here are so funny i can’t believe everyone thinks i’m a guy 😭 if i could somehow prove i’m really not this “vinnie” guy or any other random guy acting like a girl, i def would.

[Nthnrr]

the responses here are so funny i can’t believe everyone thinks i’m a guy 😭 if i could somehow prove i’m really not this “vinnie” guy or any other random guy acting like a girl, i def would.

You can prove it if you want to….

[hornedbeast]

Bodyrotic previously advertised these services

[JJBlows]

You can prove it if you want to….

Maybe she can do a Linq

[Zoobender]

the responses here are so funny i can’t believe everyone thinks i’m a guy 😭 if i could somehow prove i’m really not this “vinnie” guy or any other random guy acting like a girl, i def would.

Show us your cock Lilac. You know you want to

[Revenant]

I’ve been away and look what’s happened, you’ve let your imaginations run wild. For starters let’s expand on what I said yesterday.

I’m not:
Linq
Aokii
Lilac
PussyBonsiero
Or even 11Bravo


Now I know that’s taken all the wind out of your sails so please move forward and point your fingers at someone else.

If lilac is real she said she wants a woman.

[Revenant]

Vinny what happened to that Italian bloke looking for a brothel you were pretending to be? Not enough traction so you made this one?

I had to think about it for a minute, didn’t know what you’re talking about, the Haberfield guy? I’ve been to 40 out of 50 joints in the area so I could give the worlds best advice BUT I noticed some here have a barrow to push and it’s not up to me to interfere in that, so I deleted my five or six paragraphs of txt and uttered half a dozen words.

I do think of forum business after all.

Hope my thoughtfulness is appreciated.

[jedibear]

Women don’t typically come onto punter forums full of men looking for advice on where they can go to pay to get their clit rubbed. They would simply just go to E&B look for a ML that service’s women and be as discreet as fuk about it and move on and definitely wouldn’t keep coming back and write 7 paragraph responses and talk about how horny they are[emoji23].

Took less than 3 minutes.

https://www.escortsandbabes.com.au/Profile/NSW/Sydney/Independent/Miss_Melissa/

Vinnessa, when are you writing that AR?Lol, well said bro! Well said!

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[lilac]

proof for you guys all doubting me :)

[tezzaman18]

@lilac

This is a very strange statement from you ....... comparing a ML shop to a brothel ...... and saying how you avoided Ginza. This is typically a normal statement from a male punter.

I reckon you have slipped up here?

Which is why many of us doubt you are a female!


maybe should try this. i was always more after a ML type of experience rather directly going to a brothel, but might be worth a shot if i have no luck elsewhere.

avoided Ginza a lot because it’s very Asian hahah.

[tezzaman18]

You needed to have balls to do what Linq did . Lol.

Can still do a video but Lilac could put on a mask . At least femininity can be established.


Maybe she can do a Linq

[Zoobender]

proof for you guys all doubting me :)

What proof? Lol

[lilac]

@lilac

This is a very strange statement from you ....... comparing a ML shop to a brothel ...... and saying how you avoided Ginza. This is typically a normal statement from a male punter.

I reckon you have slipped up here?

Which is why many of us doubt you are a female!

i don’t understand how this is strange. they are comparable in some ways (for the non-legit shops), which is why there are so many threads on both.

how is avoiding a particular place a statement only of a male punter? did you ever consider that women too have personal tastes?

i don’t understand how i sound like a guy. maybe you would expect a woman not to have strong opinions or a lot of information on this subject. but this forum is open to all. :)

[lilac]

What proof? Lol

i attached a picture but removed it today after being flooded with messages lol.

[Revenant]

proof for you guys all doubting me :)


i attached a picture but removed it today after being flooded with messages lol.

How long was the pic up for?

[Jimbo1]

How long was the pic up for?

Not long enough....

[Johny77]

I was unaware you could PM if you have less that 50 posts (I could be wrong)? In any case, It looked like a pic you get off google images.

[jedibear]

Master trolling [emoji1787]

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[lilac]

I was unaware you could PM if you have less that 50 posts (I could be wrong)? In any case, It looked like a pic you get off google images.

you could easily find out if it was stolen off google by reverse imaging searching lol

[Johny77]

you could easily find out if it was stolen off google by reverse imaging searching lol

Yeah not buying it. Anyway, I am out. Not going to fall into the Vinnie trap. Adios!

[kaitenx]

I'm so confused by this thread, i'm assuming there's some hidden lore here that most casual lurkers might be missing. Anyone care to explain?

[Zoobender]

you could easily find out if it was stolen off google by reverse imaging searching lol

You snooze you lose hey?

[Jimbo1]

I was unaware you could PM if you have less that 50 posts (I could be wrong)? In any case, It looked like a pic you get off google images.

She received the PMs so your point is moot here?

[dotcumdotinyou]

Hands up anyone who flooded her/him with messages

[Jimbo1]

@ lilac....
If you go into your profile, general settings...you can turn private messages off.
Then you can repost the picture for all to see....especially those of us that missed it.

[tezzaman18]

I was only able to PM back in 2023 but had to hit 50 posts. Tried it before 50 but did not work. Any fellow Bros had it different?


She received the PMs so your point is moot here?

[tezzaman18]

This Forum is about free and unconditional speech. The ones that prefer to PM ........ obviously to stay anonymous ? They are the believers?


Hands up anyone who flooded her/him with messages

[lilac]

hope this is convincing enough :)

[snot77]

119661

hope this is convincing enough :)

i knew it ...it's LINQ!!
:-)

[Revenant]

hope this is convincing enough :)

You have more balls than 99.9% of members here… the other 0.1% is Linq.

[11Bravo]

I was only able to PM back in 2023 but had to hit 50 posts. Tried it before 50 but did not work. Any fellow Bros had it different?

I BELIEVE it's 10 posts to enable DM's, but I could be mistaken.

[Revenant]

Now lilac is having to go through what I’ve been though here, having to validate and prove herself. I went through the same name in pic process as she’s just done for possibly the largest porn site in the world except mine was a full body shot to verify myself and I was in my underwear. No shame, banged five women as GFs from that site and it’s all sitting over there in various threads. My life. Just like I wrote about my life here and still I get ridicule and scorn by unknown members who most probably are too shy to drop their pants except behind closed doors.

[F0x]

119661

hope this is convincing enough :)

I am just neutral on the various persons here who may or may not be using multiple accounts to talk to themselves (I honestly give less of a shit than how correctly my barista gets my Mocha right), or whether someone says they are something they aren't. I'll only care if that person is being a total dick to people or something.

But, I am doing some serious mental gymnastics trying to figure how the fuck you got your hand that way in the shot Lilac.

It doesn't really add up/ line up.

That hand position is only really possible if you are looking at your own hand. You appear to be facing backwards too which is even more incredulous. it's not possible to have your hand in that direction even if you were to twist your hand/arm.

Some might say you are facing the camera with your head turned but trying it myself I need to turn my body a good 30/45 degree more to get to your position and it's definitely not you doing a "grudge" look, I can see where your hair gets a bit shorter where your fringe is.

Your fingers other than the thumb will always face AWAY from the centre of your body not towards.

I can only surmise that the arm/hand does not actually belong to the person with the head turned.

Yes, I understand it's the same jumper but it certainly looks baggy enough for someone to slip in a hand.

🤷🤷🤷🤷🤷

[lilac]

I am just neutral on the various persons here who may or may not be using multiple accounts to talk to themselves (I honestly give less of a shit than how correctly my barista gets my Mocha right), or whether someone says they are something they aren't. I'll only care if that person is being a total dick to people or something.

But, I am doing some serious mental gymnastics trying to figure how the fuck you got your hand that way in the shot Lilac.

It doesn't really add up/ line up.

That hand position is only really possible if you are looking at your own hand. You appear to be facing backwards too which is even more incredulous. it's not possible to have your hand in that direction even if you were to twist your hand/arm.

Some might say you are facing the camera with your head turned but trying it myself I need to turn my body a good 30/45 degree more to get to your position and it's definitely not you doing a "grudge" look, I can see where your hair gets a bit shorter where your fringe is.

Your fingers other than the thumb will always face AWAY from the centre of your body not towards.

I can only surmise that the arm/hand does not actually belong to the person with the head turned.

Yes, I understand it's the same jumper but it certainly looks baggy enough for someone to slip in a hand.

🤷🤷🤷🤷🤷


omg this is incredible hahaha. i can’t believe there’s still doubt. even if it wasn’t possible with my hand, like you mentioned the shorter pieces of hair in the front, plus the long blonde hair, should be telltale enough.

its front camera, kneeling facing away, and bending my arm behind my back. my arm is bent the same way if you were passing something to someone behind you.

im clearly not facing the camera with my head turned because you can see the back of my shoulder and a 3/4 view of my chest.

try it for yourself lol.

[Revenant]

Lilac see how they all doubt, it’s crazy and after a while frustrating.

[11Bravo]

Even Jesus suffered from Doubting Thomas's...

[jedibear]

Lol, Lilac come and I guarantee I can give u a better massage than any ML with my bear paws and a parsnip too [emoji854]

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[F0x]

omg this is incredible hahaha. i canÂ’t believe thereÂ’s still doubt. even if it wasnÂ’t possible with my hand, like you mentioned the shorter pieces of hair in the front, plus the long blonde hair, should be telltale enough.

its front camera, kneeling facing away, and bending my arm behind my back. my arm is bent the same way if you were passing something to someone behind you.

im clearly not facing the camera with my head turned because you can see the back of my shoulder and a 3/4 view of my chest.

try it for yourself lol.

Though it might seem incredible, believing you are a female punter who has outed herself amidst a group of dudes who pay for sex isn't the strangest thing and I could jive with that.

But I truly reckon that hand position you have in the shot is anatomically impossible.

Yes I've tried it, which is to say you have your back to the camera, twisting your arm around, and also somehow simultaneously have your OTHER arm or hand holding the camera.

Trust me I'd love to believe you!

[lilac]

Though it might seem incredible, believing you are a female punter who has outed herself amidst a group of dudes who pay for sex isn't the strangest thing and I could jive with that.

But I truly reckon that hand position you have in the shot is anatomically impossible.

Yes I've tried it, which is to say you have your back to the camera, twisting your arm around, and also somehow simultaneously have your OTHER arm or hand holding the camera.

Trust me I'd love to believe you!

of course that would be impossible, it’s on self-timer, otherwise my arm wouldn’t be long enough to get that much of myself in the picture.

i feel like i’m explaining how to take pictures to my dad….

[Bunningsnag]

Hi Lilac , Sorry first time post here. I might found something u need. Which day is your preference? im massage therapist myself 👌

Lol at old matey trying to pick up a freebie.

[dotcumdotinyou]

I'm still calling bullshit on this.

Why would a female punter who doesn't want to see Asians come onto an Asian forum for males. Surely there's a forum out there for women by women. Then she can't find anything or is too lazy to do the research to find places like bodyrotic who advertise for "men, woman and couples". Or even look at the private pages to find that Lily and Sophie at Chatswood do a great lesbian double according to the information by other forum members. You can get anything you want in Sydney you just have to put in the effort to look.

Its a bloke taking the piss but its not vinnie.

[Will_1_am]

Is this an Asian forum? In English?

[F0x]

of course that would be impossible, it’s on self-timer, otherwise my arm wouldn’t be long enough to get that much of myself in the picture.

i feel like i’m explaining how to take pictures to my dad….

Okay, I've realised I am wrong and this was possible. Not sure what I was thinking of. Perhaps I was thinking you were twisting your arm behind your back.

I'll retract my statements around the photo Lilac.

As far as if you are an extra account for someone, couldn't care less.

Good luck in finding your Bean Flicking partner!

[Revenant]

of course that would be impossible, it’s on self-timer, otherwise my arm wouldn’t be long enough to get that much of myself in the picture.

i feel like i’m explaining how to take pictures to my dad….

Or grandfather lol 😂

[Revenant]

I'm still calling bullshit on this.

Why would a female punter who doesn't want to see Asians come onto an Asian forum for males. Surely there's a forum out there for women by women. Then she can't find anything or is too lazy to do the research to find places like bodyrotic who advertise for "men, woman and couples". Or even look at the private pages to find that Lily and Sophie at Chatswood do a great lesbian double according to the information by other forum members. You can get anything you want in Sydney you just have to put in the effort to look.

It’s a bloke taking the piss but it’s not vinnie.

Well Well Well Vinnie is finally vindicated !

It only took 12 months and yes that’s most definitely the longest time. So Dotty does that mean you “love me long time”?

Fuck the 50 post rule, now I know what it is, 12 months!!! Ohhh happy days are here again. Well they were till someone comments on poor ol’ vinnie.

[Backdraft69]

Lilac, enjoy your search for your ideal massage shop. I hope you find it.
If you ever need a punting buddy, I'm keen [emoji41]
Having a female punting buddy is something that I can tick off my bucket List.[emoji2957]


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[tezzaman18]

@ Revenant

Hey. Why does it matter to you if Vinnie is vindicated ............... unless you are Vinnie!


Well Well Well Vinnie is finally vindicated !

It only took 12 months and yes that’s most definitely the longest time. So Dotty does that mean you “love me long time”?

Fuck the 50 post rule, now I know what it is, 12 months!!! Ohhh happy days are here again. Well they were till someone comments on poor ol’ vinnie.

[11Bravo]

On the internet, no one knows you're a dog. And, honestly, no one cares.

[Revenant]

@ Revenant

Hey. Why does it matter to you if Vinnie is vindicated ............... unless you are Vinnie!


It’s already been established he is Vinny

“By their fruits so shall you know them”.

Vinnie never did a bad thing here and only ever told the truth. Perhaps a year ago he post excessively. He stood up for himself when people attempted to tar him with false story accusations and retorted back.

Now 12 months later it’s still bought up, “ you’re Vinnie”. What did Vinnie do that was so drastically wrong? Nothing. In twelve months time will the name Vinnie still be thrown about?

Now considering the whole goddam forum has a different character for every thread I find it hypocritical.

[Double_Adapter]

If I gotta choose between this photo and the photos from the moon landing, fuck that's a hard one!

[F0x]

“By their fruits so shall you know them”.

Vinnie never did a bad thing here and only ever told the truth. Perhaps a year ago he post excessively. He stood up for himself when people attempted to tar him with false story accusations and retorted back.

Now 12 months later it’s still bought up, “ you’re Vinnie”. What did Vinnie do that was so drastically wrong? Nothing. In twelve months time will the name Vinnie still be thrown about?

Now considering the whole goddam forum has a different character for every thread I find it hypocritical.

There's only one F0x and there will only ever be 0ne

😜

Revie, just stop worrying about what people think of you.

I agree with some people here and disagree with others. I may agree with one thing a certain person said, then disagree with something else that very same person said.

I honestly don't really get this whole Vinnie thing myself I've been on and off too much from these forums to keep track but I assume it's around Vinnie888.

If the dude decides to create multiple accounts to talk to himself or whatnot does it really matter?

Just punt and let punt eh?

[Zoobender]

There's only one F0x and there will only ever be 0ne

😜

Revie, just stop worrying about what people think of you.

I agree with some people here and disagree with others. I may agree with one thing a certain person said, then disagree with something else that very same person said.

I honestly don't really get this whole Vinnie thing myself I've been on and off too much from these forums to keep track but I assume it's around Vinnie888.

If the dude decides to create multiple accounts to talk to himself or whatnot does it really matter?

Just punt and let punt eh?

It matters because he is posting bullshit not reviews. Go fuck youself you irrelevant cunt Vinnie, since no woman wants to

[Revenant]

I honestly don't really get this whole Vinnie thing myself I've been on and off too much from these forums to keep track but I assume it's around Vinnie888.

I don’t get it either.

The many women, WL’s, ML’s & post op TS’s the punting and the dating that have been written about is all fact.

I totally understand it’s hard to accept that a guy like Vinnie can punt so many women and for that matter date so many and it causes great angst amongst the fellow forum breatheren. Vinnie was accused of flexing, well if one can’t do that on a punting forum where can he do it? So now no flex, no boast and no reviews.

Look I don’t get upset when I see some guy dating models continuously because I’m happy with my lot, yet some people on here do get upset when I write about my experiences. They are all true and some of you guys are punting the girls I date and recommending them all the time! I don’t hold it against you so why get upset with me?

[tezzaman18]

@ Revenant/Vinnie

The Vinnie threads were before I joined this Forum.

Bros like Rooter and Jack-Jack punt many women. Unlike you , I don't see them being abused . Infact , many of us appreciate their contribution. They justify and substantiate, too . I've yet to come across any specific experiences or ARs from the accounts you have now set up? A bit ironic for you, don't you think . Lol.

No doubt, you don't get upset with the abusive. You thrive on it even to the extent of being poetic .



I don’t get it either.

The many women, WL’s, ML’s & post op TS’s the punting and the dating that have been written about is all fact.

I totally understand it’s hard to accept that a guy like Vinnie can punt so many women and for that matter date so many and it causes great angst amongst the fellow forum breatheren. Vinnie was accused of flexing, well if one can’t do that on a punting forum where can he do it? So now no flex, no boast and no reviews.

Look I don’t get upset when I see some guy dating models continuously because I’m happy with my lot, yet some people on here do get upset when I write about my experiences. They are all true and some of you guys are punting the girls I date and recommending them all the time! I don’t hold it against you so why get upset with me?

[11Bravo]

Damn, once the mob gathers, guess it's difficult to douse the torches and put the pitchforks away.

Maybe I missed a meeting, or didn't fully comprehend the Rules, but I didn't think one had to read EVERY post. After a couple of decades of training on ISG, I think I've become rather good at a quick evaluation of a post, of whether I want to fully read. Just a quick glance, then maybe check the title, check the handle... quick decision to pursue or nothing to see here, move on.

And, of course, there is always the nuclear option... very easy and the irritant is eliminated, delimited by tombstones.

[Revenant]

@ Revenant/Vinnie

The Vinnie threads were before I joined this Forum.

Bros like Rooter and Jack-Jack punt many women. Unlike you , I don't see them being abused . Infact , many of us appreciate their contribution. They justify and substantiate, too . I've yet to come across any specific experiences or ARs from the accounts you have now set up? A bit ironic for you, don't you think . Lol.

No doubt, you don't get upset with the abusive. You thrive on it even to the extent of being poetic .


Vincent888 joined 15/9/23 and you joined a year before that. I’ve written reviews and stopped writing them because three times in three different shops the girls were questioned by punters after I wrote an AR or mentioned I was going to a shop. To think a guy would book a punt and then waste his paid time trying to gather intel on me can only mean one thing, I have a fan club… Now that started in December 2023 and continued till February 2024. During that time I also had an issue exiting a brothel. So I have my reasons for not writing ARs and I vary my punting schedule.

Multiple times (possibly 20) I’ve been banned for no reason other than someone pointing the finger just like they’re doing now. That’s been enough justification to get me banned. So how can I even possibly contribute any future AR as Revenant as my reputation is now tarnished when I have people saying my writing style is a certain way or I use words like chick, which I don’t, or bro or whatever thought enters their mind?

Spanky69 another banned account of mine started a “Dating a ML” thread which you contributed on. Now that Thai ML is very real yet all you fuckers have the gall to say she’s fake. That the story is fake. Like I said previously you guys punt the girls I date and you spruik them.

Do you know how many times I wanted to spill and just say who they are? I’ve even written up posts then thought about it and deleted them because I don’t want to give the girls grief by it being known that they date me. It’d be so damn easy to throw down my cards and force majeure this whole damn situation and rub your noses in it.

There are possibly 200 SWs that regularly have ARs on rotation in this forum at the present time. I’ve dated 6 in twelve months and the mere fact I mention it gets me negative feedback. I see my only avenue as coming back under another pseudonym and writing ARs that way. This account already holds no street cred and it wasn’t my doing.

[dotcumdotinyou]

I've put a note in my almanac to remind me to mention you vinnie on this forum in October 2035.

[11Bravo]

lilac, here's a life preserver as no doubt you're drowning... besides LYAO. Drop a pebble in a lake and it creates a tidal wave.

It's like "Is that a GIRL in the boy's locker room?"...

[Revenant]

I've put a note in my almanac to remind me to mention you vinnie on this forum in October 2035.

It’s a nice gesture, one that you’ll forget unless I hold you up to it. I mean, can you stand the test of forum time?

[lilac]

lilac, here's a life preserver as no doubt you're drowning... besides LYAO. Drop a pebble in a lake and it creates a tidal wave.

It's like "Is that a GIRL in the boy's locker room?"...

hahaha I would be lying if I said I didn’t like the shock value just a tiny bit….

[lilac]

I'm still calling bullshit on this.

Why would a female punter who doesn't want to see Asians come onto an Asian forum for males. Surely there's a forum out there for women by women. Then she can't find anything or is too lazy to do the research to find places like bodyrotic who advertise for "men, woman and couples". Or even look at the private pages to find that Lily and Sophie at Chatswood do a great lesbian double according to the information by other forum members. You can get anything you want in Sydney you just have to put in the effort to look.

Its a bloke taking the piss but its not vinnie.

you know, I understand the suspicion (except for the asian part lol). yk, female nature is a little more emotionally driven, it’s not really likely that a girl would come on here simply for horny reasons. i guess i owe the forum a little bit more context.

so yes, when i first made this thread, i wanted to share my experience and see if there were any girls out there doing the same thing as me. plus see if i could get any more “insider” information on the shops.

but i did also mention that I have also been reading the forum for some time. apart from the above, i’ve always been curious:

like, what kind of men pay so much money to have sex? why is it more appealing than picking up a girl at a club/bar etc? is it because they can’t? broke, unattractive, awkward? why do married or taken men do this, are their relationships unfulfilling? do they feel guilty? is the desire for variety just something men are naturally cursed with? do men actually respect or care about these MLs or WLs? are they happy with their lives? do the women feel regret or shame? what happens to them when they get older? what do men really think of female nature? do they all think we’re evil and bitchy and only care about the benefits/value rather than them as people? or is it just the type of girls they’ve met? or perhaps the way they treat women? would they be happier in a LTR with the right girl rather than meaningless, casual sex? maybe that’s why so many guys start catching feelings for the girls they pay? why do so many girls chose to do this type of work? would i be happier doing that too or is slutty = empowering just an idea the media generates? is it more fulfilling to be slutty or to be a good wife? do these men really value a girl’s purity still, even if they’ve paid for sex with different girls over 100 times?

reading directly from the target demographic on this forum is a pretty good resource.

i guess the men ive had relationships with ‘red pilled’ me a little too hard lol.

[lilac]

So it’s been a week since this bullshit post was “about to happen”..and all I read on here is you engaging with all the other comments.
So what happened?

if you wanted the AR so bad you could have just asked nicely….

[Smoothknob]

well done , i know a girl that also wants this , for different reasons than yours , she wants me to come alog and watch. but cant find a place

[11Bravo]

I'd say, on the international side, maybe even here, if it was a guy saying he and his female significant other wanted to enjoy a massage together with the same benefits, there would be any number of members posting suggestions on where to go, who to try. But for some reason, when it's a female (real or not), any number feel what, threatened, wanting to deny the possibility of a female acting solo. Might be strange, but damn, if you've been around, you've no doubt seen some strange things. Certainly believable that the opposition might want to gather some inside intel. Or not, but regardless, someone certainly seems to be having some fun stirring the pot.



do men actually respect or care about these MLs or WLs? are they happy with their lives? do the women feel regret or shame? what happens to them when they get older? what do men really think of female nature? do they all think we’re evil and bitchy and only care about the benefits/value rather than them as people? or is it just the type of girls they’ve met? or perhaps the way they treat women? would they be happier in a LTR with the right girl rather than meaningless, casual sex? maybe that’s why so many guys start catching feelings for the girls they pay? why do so many girls chose to do this type of work? would i be happier doing that too or is slutty = empowering just an idea the media generates? is it more fulfilling to be slutty or to be a good wife? do these men really value a girl’s purity still, even if they’ve paid for sex with different girls over 100 times?
MY experience, probably skewed by my preferred demographics, but as I remember, all have financial reasons for working, and while they're not happy with the job, it's the ends justify the means and that's what they keep in mind, the end result.

Not surprisingly, they lack a higher education (school wise, anyway). 6th grade, 8th grade, high school. Maybe even tech school. Doesn't mean they are stupid; graduate degree in street smarts. But where they come from, there is no CentreLink (MY demographics, anyway). And with Asians, it's ALL about family. I've known widows, divorced/abandoned, and I'll assume those that don't say are married. Maybe the husband knows, maybe he doesn't want to know, believing she's working in a foreign country really as a hotel GRO. The end goal is money to improve life back home. Buy an apartment. Put a kid through a good school, and there, kids are the social security for old age. Buy a shop, I've heard flower, material for dresses/suits, neighborhood small grocery. Also known financial support for a sick parent (and it's not the BS "buffalo died"). I was surprised to find that in a communist country, medicine, medical services are not cheap. One girl said that for a toothache, extraction was the solution. Why? Extraction is $15; filling those cavities was $90. No brainer for us, but when your shop salary is $500/month, almost 20% for ONE tooth ("I have others"), then it might be a more difficult question. Medicine... doctors... In Asia, a family member goes with, and STAYS with, the hospital patient. Who better to fetch water, wipe their brow, assist them to the toilet (and there IS a career of being such a helper when the family is rich enough and too busy to perform the task themselves, they hire someone). And you have those that are making the sacrifice for a sibling, the family's chosen one, who's been selected for higher education, nursing school, etc. When not everyone can go, you place your bets on the best shot.

They go back home, continue with a civilian life. Some marry a punter, have kids, off to a 1st world country. Maybe looking to upgrade, but... what I'd say, those that see their husband as family, not as a stepping stone, I'd think they'd have a better chance of making it. Enjoy their grandkids. Back to married life. Start a business. Retire. Now that the LARGE boulder of a house/apartment has been rolled up the hill, not saying life gets easier, but that is one heavy stone they don't have to worry about. Or the kid's graduated, a professional, good career. And less worry for their kids... Mom has a place to live and babysit the grandkids.

Do all make it? No. But I've always figured that when they drop the extended contact (e.g. New Year's wishes), they've moved on with their lives. Are they marked for life? Certainly a chapter, but, perhaps like combat vets, not all develop PTSD; they just get on with their lives.

And for the doubting Thomas's, my Happy New Years were responded to with like wishes, and NO BTW, the buffalo died...

Might be different in OZ, with the limited interactions. Offshore, where it's LT, overnight, with regulars... you do get to know each other (and more than just the biblical sense).

MY experience, anyway. No great insight, but when you do share a common bond (no, not THAT bond), but being expats in foreign countries, treating her as a person rather than an orifice, I've found it is returned, for awhile, anyway. YMMV

[ergoproxy]

Quite an interesting read. Welcome!

[F0x]

you know, I understand the suspicion (except for the asian part lol). yk, female nature is a little more emotionally driven, it’s not really likely that a girl would come on here simply for horny reasons. i guess i owe the forum a little bit more context.

so yes, when i first made this thread, i wanted to share my experience and see if there were any girls out there doing the same thing as me. plus see if i could get any more “insider” information on the shops.

but i did also mention that I have also been reading the forum for some time. apart from the above, i’ve always been curious:

like, what kind of men pay so much money to have sex? why is it more appealing than picking up a girl at a club/bar etc? is it because they can’t? broke, unattractive, awkward? why do married or taken men do this, are their relationships unfulfilling? do they feel guilty? is the desire for variety just something men are naturally cursed with? do men actually respect or care about these MLs or WLs? are they happy with their lives? do the women feel regret or shame? what happens to them when they get older? what do men really think of female nature? do they all think we’re evil and bitchy and only care about the benefits/value rather than them as people? or is it just the type of girls they’ve met? or perhaps the way they treat women? would they be happier in a LTR with the right girl rather than meaningless, casual sex? maybe that’s why so many guys start catching feelings for the girls they pay? why do so many girls chose to do this type of work? would i be happier doing that too or is slutty = empowering just an idea the media generates? is it more fulfilling to be slutty or to be a good wife? do these men really value a girl’s purity still, even if they’ve paid for sex with different girls over 100 times?

reading directly from the target demographic on this forum is a pretty good resource.

i guess the men ive had relationships with ‘red pilled’ me a little too hard lol.

There are a lot of questions here and not gunna lie, would have been ideal if bullet pointed.

I am of course generalising when I say the following but it should hold true for most.

NOTE: WALL OF TEXT. No tldr because I'm answering stuff.

Why do single men punt?
- because they've probably realised, no matter what happens you 'pay' for sex with a woman anyway. There is absolutely an element of the socially awkward there's no doubt about that. However, if all you are after is to get your end wet, at least you are guaranteed it at a brothel rather than having spent for a lavish night out only to get a brief hug and peck on the cheek for your efforts and money.

Why do taken men punt?
- there are no doubt a number of men who are just of the promiscuous type. They couldn't be tied to a woman if you had a pair of titanium handcuffs.
However, MOST men, are 'good'. They enter and exit LTRs. Now as a GF/BF scenario with no real 'ties', as a good guy, you will probably end up getting terribly hurt by a woman (more on women's nature further down) and maybe punting is a path you'll walk. Should you survive that and end up getting married, here's where things get interesting. I'll answer this more specifically on women's nature, but the short version is, if the guy ISNT of the promiscuous type and is a good bloke, the woman is creating an environment which almost FORCES the man to find some other avenue or some other female to feel 'safe' with. Whether that's through punting or an affair, same same but diff.

Do we respect or care about WL or ML?
- again generalising, we dead set do. The default stance for a normal healthy male is to be protective and caring of females in our lives. Despite the job these women are no different. There are no shortage of posts here where the community had absolutely thrashed a bloke who has bragged about practically raping a WL or ML. No normal man has any desire to force women into anything sexual in fact it's often so much the opposite that it frustrates and bores the Fuck out of normal women!

Blah blah about women's thoughts on the job
- no idea sorry ask them

What do we think of female nature?
- can of worms opening. *Craaaaank*
Female nature is hideously erratic to the average man. Women are born of intense emotion. Everything is 'feel'. I 'feeeeel' like there was nothing in our relationship (meanwhile living in the absolute lap of luxury) I 'feeeeel' like the relationship wasn't working (married to a man worth X amount of billions of dollars whos attractive, hung, and does everything for her). You know what I mean.
Women always date up. Men always date down.
We marry you shits hoping to god you will never change. We loved you how you were when we first met you. You marry us liking what we were, but wanting us to change into what you think is better. Only to find that when that happens that's absolutely not what you wanted anyway, and then manifesting that into a divorce (I 'feeeel' like it wasnt working!!!) you are the 'best' communicators (because talking 10x more about things which have no relation to the point at hand is absolutely better communication) but the silent treatment is somehow what you think is the best way to communicate problems to us.
So when you as a female create this toxic space of dissatisfaction and silence with everything we (usually) try to do for you to make you happy, we go seek that peace elsewhere. In someone else's arms (or other orifices as it were). Am I saying it's always the woman's fault and men are never to blame? Of course not! But your AVERAGE dude walking around on the street who gets about as much sexual attention per year as you would give to a spider on the wall, are usually really good guys. 'where are all the GOOD men!!??'

Uh, they are the ones you rejected, the ones in your friend zone. Those are the 'good' guys who would be with you through thick n thin. But of course, women would prefer to share and get pounded and dumped by a 'better' bloke, than stay with a good one.

Before you say it, this isn't bitterness talking, it's experience.

Do you want slutty or nice?
- as per Ushers song 'Yeah!'
"We want a lady on the streets but a freak in the bed". End of story.

Do you still like purity even if you've banged 100s of girls?
- yeah of course. That's a no brainer. The reverse question for a girl would be : do you want a guy who's got no idea what he doing in bed or a guy who has banged 100 women and knows the female body inside out? For us we love the idea of being your first, because virginity means that your reactions and emotions are also pure. Once you've banged 100 blokes you know how to act like you love it etc when you don't. Conversely a guy who has no idea what he is doing is a turn off for girls. But a bloke who knows how to dominate you and take you to an O, is sought after.

That's all I'll answer. Enjoy Lac'ster.

- F0x

[rooter]

Lilac, violet, mauve, lavender, salmon ... so many beautiful shades of pink and purple ... life is a rich tapestry of colour light sound and movement ... Enjoy!

[tezzaman18]

I too would like to know if it's forthcoming !!!!!!!

We are now on Thread #131. The Op was supposed to fill us in . No AR or even the mention of the ML shops she researched ????

When asked (by ryanpumper) about the AR she wants to be asked politely?

Instead of fulfilling her end of the deal, Lilac has now shot us with a whole bunch of questions ? Sounds like a distraction!

She is in a this LT relationship ........... I reckon her BF can answer them , good under the bed sheet questions to ask him too . Lol

Let to be seen if Lilac is really Lilac .........


So it’s been a week since this bullshit post was “about to happen”..and all I read on here is you engaging with all the other comments.
So what happened?

[ColesBag]

lilac, Drop a pebble in a lake and it creates a tidal wave.

One dog barks at a shadow & many bark at the sound. ;)

[lilac]

There are a lot of questions here and not gunna lie, would have been ideal if bullet pointed.

omg didn’t expect a legitimate answer to this at all, apologies for not making bullet points hahah. but i do have to say, i really appreciate this information, thank you so much.

these are the only parts I’d comment on as a woman:


Female nature is hideously erratic to the average man. Women are born of intense emotion. Everything is 'feel'. I 'feeeeel' like there was nothing in our relationship (meanwhile living in the absolute lap of luxury) I 'feeeeel' like the relationship wasn't working (married to a man worth X amount of billions of dollars whos attractive, hung, and does everything for her). You know what I mean.

i do know what you mean, we are really emotionally driven creatures. but i think we’re often not that hard to understand as men make out. short answer, we’re more concerned with how things are said/done rather than what things are said/done.

i think because men have this idea that woman feel “loved” or satisfied in a relationship when the man is simply ‘high value’ and providing. of course, money and looks are ideal, just like a pretty, fit girl is ideal - but not at the expense if she’s a complete bitch. so it’s kinda similar.

women are more concerned with passion which is that ‘feeling’ - a special ‘spark’ or deep connection. we’re also highly driven by feeling special, desired, beautiful (similar to guys feeling strong, capable, powerful).

feeling like there’s nothing in the relationship meanwhile living a luxurious lifestyle = “my husband gives me a nice lifestyle but he’s always busy/unattentive, he’s always looking at other girls, he never does chivalrous gestures” etc etc, basically translates “my man doesn’t make me feel desired, or emotionally safe or secure, I can’t be my most genuine, peaceful, feminine-self, because I’m constantly having to be in my masculine energy in order to deal with my emotions/problems on my own and keep a level of guard up in case this man practices infidelity.”


We loved you how you were when we first met you. You marry us liking what we were, but wanting us to change into what you think is better.

noooo this is so bullshit though. men always want their partner to be better too. there’s always never ending expectations of nicer dinners, cleaner house, more devotion etc. men are attracted to younger, more passive women, majorly because they are more mouldable to what they believe is ideal. sometimes it’s even a physical thing; dating a girl where you love her personality but hoping she can improve her looks to fit your ideal.

i laughed reading the next part, I do have to agree there are sooooo many toxic women who just talk and talk the same problem in circles and call it communication and then give the silent treatment too. and even use sex as a punishment. idk but in my experience this is usually good looking entitled girls who want a man they can control, rather than one that can lead them - just stay away from the ‘brain rot’ types lol. i promise you, not all of us are like this.


Uh, they are the ones you rejected, the ones in your friend zone. Those are the 'good' guys who would be with you through thick n thin.

just because a guy is devoted and nice doesn’t make him a good partner or a “good guy”. there are plenty of girls who would be devoted to you but they’re not super hot, or they have a promiscuous past, etc, and men would not even consider her. so I don’t think it’s unfair for women to have realistic expectations/standards when it comes to looks or finances in dating too (note realistic is a key word lol). i have to say, many girls i know stuck with their partners who didn’t have much and now they are very wealthy together. i think men are actually inclined to love a girl for what she gives him (e.g. you love her cause she brings you peace, takes care of you, cooks your meals, etc) where i know many girls who stay with losers or toxic guys (“i can fix him”, “he wants to change”) etc.


Do you want slutty or nice?
- as per Ushers song 'Yeah!'
"We want a lady on the streets but a freak in the bed". End of story.

all men say this but why don’t the “good girls” get more attention. as I mentioned, women’s nature is so focused on being the most beautiful, desired, usually measured by attention. why would we be sweet, innocent and cute when that never gets us approached anymore, and we only get approached in clubs wearing tiny mini dresses etc.

it creates such a huge dilemma for us of how to be and present ourselves because men SAY they prefer good girls but their actions never follow. we understand on a logical level it’s just sexual attention and not ‘wifey’ attention but because we want to be desired so bad it still affects us. men complain so much about girls all being hoes these days, then stop giving them so much attention and start asking out the cute, quieter girls…


Do you still like purity even if you've banged 100s of girls?
- yeah of course. That's a no brainer. The reverse question for a girl would be : do you want a guy who's got no idea what he doing in bed or a guy who has banged 100 women and knows the female body inside out? For us we love the idea of being your first, because virginity means that your reactions and emotions are also pure. Once you've banged 100 blokes you know how to act like you love it etc when you don't. Conversely a guy who has no idea what he is doing is a turn off for girls. But a bloke who knows how to dominate you and take you to an O, is sought after.

hmm yes and no. of course it’s appealing to be with a guy that can satisfy you (especially when men have such a bad reputation of being able to lol). at the same time, me, most girls in my circle, we wouldn’t like men with ridiculously high body counts because 1) we feel like just another body and less special or less connection 2) we compare ourselves and wonder if we are the best and drive ourselves crazy feeling insecure and 3) we wonder if you’re ever going to be able to be happy with just us once your brain is so accustomed to promiscuity.

anywayyy just sharing my take as a woman, thank u again for the insight.

[11Bravo]

One dog barks at a shadow & many bark at the sound. ;)

Brilliant. This one I'll remember. Cheers.

[Wombat1]

Vinnie???

So why many comments but no AR!!!

You are just another account of the delusional Vinnie. Aka old fat Chinese bald guy who loves writing about his hentai fantasiesÂ…Â….

[Revenant]

Vinnie???

So why many comments but no AR!!!

You are just another account of the delusional Vinnie. Aka old fat Chinese bald guy who loves writing about his hentai fantasiesÂ…Â….


Old, Bald, Fat and I’ll throw in for good measure covered in Tatts. Almost a Falang look, agree?

Reviews will happen but not under this account as the time is near.

100

[Wombat1]

No bald fat white pasty Chinese guy that does not get enough sun on his skin…..

But has very rough hands

[11Bravo]

Vinnie???

So why many comments but no AR!!!

You are just another account of the delusional Vinnie. Aka old fat Chinese bald guy who loves writing about his hentai fantasiesÂ…Â….

You talking to me? You talking to me?... Fortunately, I'm not the only one in here. Number of people here, so it always helps when you quote who you're replying to. Just a suggestion to lessen confusion.

In one way, I have to hand it to ole Vincenzo. Maybe ex Stasi, Iranian secret police trained, SVR, MSS... He has everyone seeing him everywhere, distrusting everyone... :startle: Hell, maybe it's even effecting me... am I just too paranoid? :question:

[Massagecreep]

Dear 11Bravo
There is nothing to admire here. I don’t care if it is Vinnie, I am concerned that you have concussion.

[11Bravo]

Dear 11Bravo
There is nothing to admire here. I don’t care if it is Vinnie, I am concerned that you have concussion.

Thanks for the thought, but: wore a helmet, wore a helmet (different helmets for different activities), wise enough to not beat my head against a wall...

[Mr Fugly]

Another bullshit thread ... hijacked by a bunch of bullshitters....🤣🤣🤣

[Digby]

Who is the more foolish, the fool or the fool who follows him? Think about it, lilac a female punter started the thread and what started out as disbelief has evolved into false accusations, finger pointing, forum battling and this is how men behave in front of a woman? Plus apparently there’s been a few who have even tried cracking onto her. I have nothing against white women but this is a forum mostly about punting Asian women, why are members trying to get into a cauc’s panties?

[Zoobender]

Lilac I'm happy to call you a fellow punter. Good luck on your punting journey.

[jedibear]

Yeah, Lilac, you're a fellow punter to me too. All the best with your punting adventures

Sent from my SM-S911B using Tapatalk

[ColesBag]

why are members trying to get into a cauc’s panties?

I personally don't racially discriminate when it comes to women. Like it says at the entrance of Chinatown " Within the four seas all women are fuckable " .

[F0x]

omg didn’t expect a legitimate answer to this at all, apologies for not making bullet points hahah. but i do have to say, i really appreciate this information, thank you so much.

NOTE: 2nd wall of text. Don't read and move on if you CBF.

I won't answer everything but I will cover a few things.

++++Paragraph starting with really emotional creatures and ending with keep a level of guard up++++

Bear in mind the man might seem inattentive because he is busy trying to provide a good lifestyle. He may seem like he might practice infidelity because such a man will likely attract a lot of Women. If you make his life peaceful, provide a loving safe space for him and play your position and support, instead of being in your head about what if he cheats, what if I could do better, etc, then you'd be surprised.

Look at Hugh Jackman's Wife. They must still adore each other. She must be his safe place. Never doubts him, trusts his decisions, never questions herself or whatifs. She is probably far too mature as an older woman to think that kind of shenanigans anymore.

However having said that, Craig Ferguson, aka the fucking Rizzler, the Rizzlord, nay, the Rizzinator 1000, has been divorced twice. He is a high value man in a number of respects. He has a high net worth, tall, not bad looking, interesting accent, and most of all, as a comedian he definitely 'sparks' women. He has had some of the most gorgeous women on the planet on his show practically begging to suck him off on stage.

If HE has women leaving him (again probably didn't 'feeel' right) what are we mortals to do?

Always remember how you feel about something has no real bearing on what is actually happening. It's just a perception. It's like this whole thing on the forums of Thai girls being labelled the most money hungry when I have maybe had ONE Thai demonstrate that to me from the number I've seen. I've found Koreans to be far more inclined to this behaviour myself, but that doesn't mean I think every Korean girl is money hungry either.

Or woketevists feeling like any and every comment is something 'ist against something. Doesn't make it true because you feel it.


++++Paragraph with noooo this is so bullshit though. men always want their partner to be better too++++

Men do not need their partner to be better. This is an unequivocal fact. This is why a billionaire can be very happy with a checkout chick from Coles. We have absolutely zero care what you have accomplished in your life really. Sorry if that sounds harsh but it's true. Why do you think blokes are catching the feels for ML and WLs? From a very strictly technical point of view, do they not represent a very low career choice in the grand scheme of things? Like, checkout chick at Coles is a 'societally' better and more acceptable job than sex provider. Yet men can still fall in love with them (ml/wl).

CR7 (Ronaldo) dated several high value models in his time. Then what happened? He found a 'common' girl working a retail sales role. Granted it was at a luxury store (Hermes from memory? Cbf to search). Been with her ever since. And again there will always be outliers, so yeah of course there will be some men pushing their women to change physically to fit their ideal. But generally? Not really. You just have to be attractive ENOUGH to us that's all.

So sorry HARD disagree on this one.


++++Paragraph starting just because a guy is devoted and nice doesn’t make him a good partner or a “good guy”. And ending in know many girls who stay with losers or toxic guys (“i can fix him”, “he wants to change”) etc.+++++

Disagree with certain factors. A girl not being super hot or promiscuous past isn't that much of a deterrent depending remember I said you only have to be attractive enough, to us. Again, blokes catching the feels for MLs and WL? And I've had often much better punts with technically less attractive women than hot ones. I.e Pen/Esther is one of my favourites of all time. She isn't unattractive by any stretch of the imagination, but go see Thai Angela at SBM as an example. Much better looking, but absolute dude punt. Pen/Esther always provides a great time to everyone. She is sensual, and really gives you a 'GFE'. She is with you, present. Angel was probably doing her groceries in her head and wondering what time the gym closes while she was doing her thing

You saying a devoted and nice guy doesn't necessarily make a good partner is exactly the problem tbh. Women will tell themselves this yet simultaneously complain about getting treated like a walking set of holes because they keep getting with the opposite. Women love to have the cake and eat it too as the saying goes. And it's because generally women do not have to understand the word accountability they are bailed from things all the time.

Imagine if a guy kept complaining where are the nice quiet and cute girls, but keeps trying to get with the hoes in miniskirts, what would you think 🤣 you'd think he is the dumbest prick ever. But because men love women and care for them, we put up with this thought pattern from women haha.

Also of course a man loves what a women can provide him in terms of looking after his comforts etc. because we don't care about you helping financially, or really anything else, what you CAN provide us IS that comfort, peace and loving environment.

++++Paragraph about all men say this but why don’t the “good girls, then ending in cute quieter girls++++

You've misinterpreted it. The line refers to relationships. It's once we are with you. I.e we don't want you looking like a hoe next to us, but want you to be our HOEdeo once we get to the privacy of our homes.

Now, of course men are going to gravitate towards the dressed up chicks in minis. Men are sexual creatures and the fabric of our DNA has 'plant seed everywhere' encoded. We are naturally going to gravitate towards women who signal they might be easy because it's also less confusing to our minds as to whether a girl might be up to being approached. If you are dressed up, our minds think you are more likely to want to be approached, because you are attention grabbing. Logical right? Like a peacock displaying its feathers. It's probably looking for a mate.

Quieter (though not necessarily cuter tbh) girls are going to get less attention because well, obviously you're quieter. It's less obvious to us if you are willing to be approached.
Do you put oil on the squeaky wheel or the quiet one? 😜

If you are one of those, make it more obvious to a guy if you like them. Compliment them and 'lead' the interaction a bit more than normal. Goes against your programming, I get it, but guys are often both clueless to women's signals because they are so damn subtle most of the time, and on top of that, afraid to escalate sexually for fear of being destroyed by assault allegations.

So if you are a quieter and cuter girl, be more forthright in your intentions to actually get a guy you want. You don't need to outright say it, there's plenty of ways to go about it.

If you get rejected, welcome to our world, you can dust it off and try again (good old TLC).

For the last part, this might be the case but as mentioned earlier, women seem like they would still prefer to be subjected to that than be with a stable guy. It's more exciting to be in a constant state of emotion I guess than to be in a peaceful stable relationship. I think it's a case again of women wanting the cake and eating it too, you want all this emotional rollercoaster to make you 'feel' but somehow you also want a stable relationship at the same time. Please make up your minds! 🙏

Adieu.