J Miru - fool me once, shame on you; fool me twice, shame on me

[xxxdindin]

Ok, I don't know where to start “Roasting”

For folks who visited ginza couple months ago, kyoto 206 J miru is ginza J miru, same name, same girl

For folks who hadn't seen J miru at ginza, here are Jack mate's report,

http://www.aus99forum.com/showthread.php?123489-Ginza-AR-(Annual-Report-2023)-who-s-your-MMA-(Most-Memorable-Asian)/page23
http://www.aus99forum.com/showthread.php?132827-JACKs-Casting-Ft-J-Miru

as can see J miru's service is around 6 (out of 10). Not great, but she looks like one of my previous girls, I seen her at ginza last time and decided to revisit her when she on kyoto 206's roaster today.


Booked 12pm, 've been told the girl changed to 1pm, ok changed my booking to 1pm. Walked in at 1pm, 've been told girl was not ready, ok waited again. Another 30mins waiting, the girl finally ready.


Walked in the room, J miru recognised me, she started using google translator on her phone asking me if I made the payment to the shop, I was like, "yeah...sure, of course I needed to pay to the shop first to see you". Then she asked me if I wanted same options (she used "chipping money" in the translator, I guess she wanted to say "tipping money"). I really confused with her translation so she showed me her notes on her phone says "No condom sex $xxx", ok I got your ideas now but I just wanna have a safe sex so I refused. She seeing me to decline her offer, persuaded if I want to do "filming", No I don't have filming fantasy so I refused again. TO THIS POINT, she didn't offend me, I understand some girls need money sometimes so they want to provide extra options.


HOWEVER, things go south from here. After I decline her offers twice, she asked me if I can just tip her? I wasn't quite sure if she just want me to give her money for free (because I clearly said I don't want no condom sex and filming ), so I asked her again. "Yes, I don't earn enough money in this shop so if you can tip me I will try to provide good service, because working in this shop doesn't bring me the money I want, I will go to a premium shop later maybe", she used her phone translator to show me. For the record, I don't like the tipping culture in America because customers already paid products and services together in the price, I saw some silly waitress beating customers if they don't receive tips on youtube, but this is in Australia, if I really like the service I can tip, that's after I have received some 5 star service, how can you ask me to tip you even before any services?? (And again I don't do tipping in shops, I just book longer hours with the girl and do one sex and do the talking for the rest hours, so girls happy they get money and resting, shops happy they get more money, me happy I got better service, everyone happy). I refused again for the tipping. J miru saw that she couldn't get extra money from me, she became unhappy and started to complain that why I didn't tipping her (I understand some Japanese words like money, like why, so I can put together that she complain why I didn't tip her), 15mins passed from my 45mins booking now because she kept using phone to ask me for extra, options and tips. Until now I still treat her like a naughty girl who didn't get the candy. THINGS proved I could be very wrong.


On to bed, she had that poker face (was smily when asking for extra money) and "no kissing" when I tried to kiss her, 30 seconds bbbj and 3 mins sex, she asked me if I had cum and finish because time up. I wish I chose the filming option so I can prove to you guys that I didn't exaggerate when I say 30 seconds and 3 mins, I looked at the clock on wall and draw her attention to say 25 mins left in my booking, she didn't believe and used her phone timer (which her set up earlier but even though still 10 mins left even on her phone timer). She realised she's wrong but kept saying time up now. Ok, I hj myself, asked again if I can kiss her? No. Hugging? No.


To this point, I totally lost my interests, used my phone translator to tell her "It's your freedom to choose this shop, no one forced you to earn this rate, you can if you want to choose a premium shop, but as long as you worked in this shop you should at least provide basic service". And walked out the room earlier before booking ends. Walked down the stairs, told the receptionist Amber the very same thing. Amber knows that I was a regular client and apologised several times.


I rarely used sh*t service to describe a girl, I don't want to insult or offend any girls, they worked hard and just want to make some money. But today I really think J miru didn't worth a dollor to spend on her


In conclusion, damage for me today, $260 for the 45 mins booking, 2 * $6.2 parking tickets (because the girl couldn't be on time I had to get 2 ticket to avoid possible fines)


WIR for the girl, NO. I been very tolerant with almost every girls, I always say to receptions that everything is fine the girls is fine, even it is not that fine. You folks hardly see me to post a bad AR for a girl even I just had another bad experience in 108 a few weeks ago, I didn't say anything. However J miru today is just RIDICULOUS


WIR for the shop, NO. I like Amber at 206 reception, she is very lovely girl and has done a very good job, but 206/57 had failed me not one time, not two time, but many times which girls just can't provide service as described (diamond service), that’s ENOUGH. Not mentioned to that today J miru just break a record, LOWEST service score, 1/10 for her service.

[xxxdindin]

To the dear 206/57 shop owner, you should ask Amber if I was a regular client of 206/57 and spent some good money in kyoto 206 in 2021, 2022, and earlier in sakura 57 in 2018. There was one older lady when I walked out the door today, who claimed herslef to manage japs girls in 206, well she clearly didn't get her job done properly, because you can't use the excuse that Oh it is the girl first day so we don't know about the girl, so the customers need to embrace it no matter it's good or bad. Well, I know ginza didn't use that excuse, N5M hardly use that excuse. I think ginza has some pre-start training session to prevent first day incident and they do well

[xxxdindin]

when ginza managed J Miru, her service was 5 or 6 out of 10. Not great, but met some minumum standards that draw me to revisit her again

J miru under 206 management, her service was 1 out of 10

Same girl, see the difference?

[SlippinJimmy]

Garbage service however I would have walked and asked for a refund when the negotiations started. 15 mins plus the ungrateful attitude should be a full refund.

The poisonous "extras" culture that ruined punting in Melbourne could happen in Sydney

[Wsbird]

Agree. He shoukd ask for a full refund. Better stick to the shops that proves reliable.

[mn69]

Ok, I don't know where to start “Roasting”

For folks who visited ginza couple months ago, kyoto 206 J miru is ginza J miru, same name, same girl

For folks who hadn't seen J miru at ginza, here are Jack mate's report,

http://www.aus99forum.com/showthread.php?123489-Ginza-AR-(Annual-Report-2023)-who-s-your-MMA-(Most-Memorable-Asian)/page23
http://www.aus99forum.com/showthread.php?132827-JACKs-Casting-Ft-J-Miru

as can see J miru's service is around 6 (out of 10). Not great, but she looks like one of my previous girls, I seen her at ginza last time and decided to revisit her when she on kyoto 206's roaster today.


Booked 12pm, 've been told the girl changed to 1pm, ok changed my booking to 1pm. Walked in at 1pm, 've been told girl was not ready, ok waited again. Another 30mins waiting, the girl finally ready.


Walked in the room, J miru recognised me, she started using google translator on her phone asking me if I made the payment to the shop, I was like, "yeah...sure, of course I needed to pay to the shop first to see you". Then she asked me if I wanted same options (she used "chipping money" in the translator, I guess she wanted to say "tipping money"). I really confused with her translation so she showed me her notes on her phone says "No condom sex $xxx", ok I got your ideas now but I just wanna have a safe sex so I refused. She seeing me to decline her offer, persuaded if I want to do "filming", No I don't have filming fantasy so I refused again. TO THIS POINT, she didn't offend me, I understand some girls need money sometimes so they want to provide extra options.


HOWEVER, things go south from here. After I decline her offers twice, she asked me if I can just tip her? I wasn't quite sure if she just want me to give her money for free (because I clearly said I don't want no condom sex and filming ), so I asked her again. "Yes, I don't earn enough money in this shop so if you can tip me I will try to provide good service, because working in this shop doesn't bring me the money I want, I will go to a premium shop later maybe", she used her phone translator to show me. For the record, I don't like the tipping culture in America because customers already paid products and services together in the price, I saw some silly waitress beating customers if they don't receive tips on youtube, but this is in Australia, if I really like the service I can tip, that's after I have received some 5 star service, how can you ask me to tip you even before any services?? (And again I don't do tipping in shops, I just book longer hours with the girl and do one sex and do the talking for the rest hours, so girls happy they get money and resting, shops happy they get more money, me happy I got better service, everyone happy). I refused again for the tipping. J miru saw that she couldn't get extra money from me, she became unhappy and started to complain that why I didn't tipping her (I understand some Japanese words like money, like why, so I can put together that she complain why I didn't tip her), 15mins passed from my 45mins booking now because she kept using phone to ask me for extra, options and tips. Until now I still treat her like a naughty girl who didn't get the candy. THINGS proved I could be very wrong.


On to bed, she had that poker face (was smily when asking for extra money) and "no kissing" when I tried to kiss her, 30 seconds bbbj and 3 mins sex, she asked me if I had cum and finish because time up. I wish I chose the filming option so I can prove to you guys that I didn't exaggerate when I say 30 seconds and 3 mins, I looked at the clock on wall and draw her attention to say 25 mins left in my booking, she didn't believe and used her phone timer (which her set up earlier but even though still 10 mins left even on her phone timer). She realised she's wrong but kept saying time up now. Ok, I hj myself, asked again if I can kiss her? No. Hugging? No.


To this point, I totally lost my interests, used my phone translator to tell her "It's your freedom to choose this shop, no one forced you to earn this rate, you can if you want to choose a premium shop, but as long as you worked in this shop you should at least provide basic service". And walked out the room earlier before booking ends. Walked down the stairs, told the receptionist Amber the very same thing. Amber knows that I was a regular client and apologised several times.


I rarely used sh*t service to describe a girl, I don't want to insult or offend any girls, they worked hard and just want to make some money. But today I really think J miru didn't worth a dollor to spend on her


In conclusion, damage for me today, $260 for the 45 mins booking, 2 * $6.2 parking tickets (because the girl couldn't be on time I had to get 2 ticket to avoid possible fines)


WIR for the girl, NO. I been very tolerant with almost every girls, I always say to receptions that everything is fine the girls is fine, even it is not that fine. You folks hardly see me to post a bad AR for a girl even I just had another bad experience in 108 a few weeks ago, I didn't say anything. However J miru today is just RIDICULOUS


WIR for the shop, NO. I like Amber at 206 reception, she is very lovely girl and has done a very good job, but 206/57 had failed me not one time, not two time, but many times which girls just can't provide service as described (diamond service), that’s ENOUGH. Not mentioned to that today J miru just break a record, LOWEST service score, 1/10 for her service.

Thanks for AR bro. Wow thats the worst. What the hells happening!!! Japanese girls are usually known for good service.

So many girls now are money hungry.

This is seriously worse than a Chinese girl's service

Doesn't she know she will make more money if she establishes a regular customer base.

No business or financial intelligence. Thats why she ain't making any money

Ginza would fire these sorts of girls straight away

[xxxdindin]

Garbage service however I would have walked and asked for a refund when the negotiations started. 15 mins plus the ungrateful attitude should be a full refund.

The poisonous "extras" culture that ruined punting in Melbourne could happen in Sydney


You're right I should have walked when the negotiations started.

I have to say it's first time to experience the girl provided sh*t service once I declined her extra options. I mean some japan girls offered same previously at the shops, no one get offended, I understand the girls want to make more money, the girls understand I don't want the extra service, and we continue the normal service once I don't want the extra, no one get upset

J miru is like she will provide shit service if I don't tip her or purchase from her extra options, that's what I didn't expect until too late to realise

[Costy]

That’s a terrible experience for sure, everyone’s worst fear when going for a punt. Not a good advertisement for the shop. After reading that they should be scrambling to make things right. But from what I’ve read about them, probably not.

[Sexybee]

Miru at Ginza did a normal job, nothing special because I only booked her 30minutes. It’s my choice to book her although receptionist said she was ok. I thought she must be tired when she did DFK, BBBJ listlessly. I lied to boys that she was good because I always think it would be harder for these young girls to come here to make money.

[xxxdindin]

Thanks for AR bro. Wow thats the worst. What the hells happening!!! Japanese girls are usually known for good service.

So many girls now are money hungry.

This is seriously worse than a Chinese girl's service

Doesn't she know she will make more money if she establishes a regular customer base.

No business or financial intelligence. Thats why she ain't making any money

Ginza would fire these sorts of girls straight away


Man you're right, she doens't have business or financial intelligence.

I believe even I agreed with tipping her or paying extra, she would still only provide an ok service (not great not excellent) because I feel she is that kind of girls just want to get some quick and esay money without working

Shops are the same way if they don't care reputation they will be defeated in the competition

[xxxdindin]

That’s a terrible experience for sure, everyone’s worst fear when going for a punt. Not a good advertisement for the shop. After reading that they should be scrambling to make things right. But from what I’ve read about them, probably not.

Sadly (and you're right), Not.

Short term, I got hit.

Long term, market will give the shop corrections.

[xxxdindin]

Miru at Ginza did a normal job, nothing special because I only booked her 30minutes. It’s my choice to book her although receptionist said she was ok. I thought she must be tired when she did DFK, BBBJ listlessly. I lied to boys that she was good because I always think it would be harder for these young girls to come here to make money.

Mate, very same reason I told the boys she was good when at ginza. I didn't want to make difficulty for any girls, so even when some times the reception said they will displine the girls, I said no that's all fine. I know girls need to make some money.

Things turn out I could be very wrong (for some girls)

[High69]

That's terrible! Than drained your wallet, and I haven't seen any positive reviews. I wonder if the issue lies with the worker or the management

[Sexybee]

Taking my story as an example, Ramu at Ginza was so good, 9 out of 10. I booked her N5M, 7 out of 10 even though she knew me, 4 out of 10 at Kyoto 206. I said to myself I was shamed for myself, why did I book her again and again.


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[mn69]

I've constantly noticed when a girl moves from Ginza, her service levels drop significantly. Then continues to drop more as she moves to other shops

Seen J Ramu as well by the way. Her service levels weren't "S or A" Tier level to start off with anyway.

So bottom line, when a girl moves from Ginza, proceed with caution.

There are exceptions though. I mean, girls like K Hanna still maintained her high level of service even though she moved.

[xxxdindin]

That's terrible! Than drained your wallet, and I haven't seen any positive reviews. I wonder if the issue lies with the worker or the management

Mate, I also wonder if these is one fellow punter standing up and claim he had a great time with J miru and gave a very good review (as long as it's honest) and looking forward to meeting the girl more. I dare one.

[xxxdindin]

Taking my story as an example, Ramu at Ginza was so good, 9 out of 10. I booked her N5M, 7 out of 10 even though she knew me, 4 out of 10 at Kyoto 206. I said to myself I was shamed for myself, why did I book her again and again.


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Thanks for sharing the story. I almost booked Ramu at different shops.

Some girls are not being grateful for repeat customers, because the girls think they can play 'game' now.

They will learn that they need to put in more effort to please a new customer than pleasing a repeat customer...Same for the shops.

[Meng]

The fact that she's still on roster means they don't give a fuck and the girls can pick up on it too. If the shop don't give a fuck then the girls won't give a fuck.

[mn69]

It seems its mainly Ginza who care's about their customers and customer feedback

Other shops should take note. Its the customers who pay their salaries. Without customers they will go broke & bankrupt

[secret0]

I only started punting last month, but I've been reading the forum for about 4 years now, and seeing stuff like this is why I decided to only visit Ginza (and might chance N5M/42G).
Other shops just don't seem to care at all, and probably because there aren't enough complaints and no direct consequences as they've stayed in business this whole time. I check 206/57's roster every now and then, but they come up a lot in the shitty service stories for both shop and girls.

Like with other stuff these days (gaming, eating out, etc), customers can only make a difference if they vote (or walk) with their wallets, and just not spend at the known shitty places if they're not going to provide good or even a basic level of service.

[The giver]

Something similar happened to me at a RnT shop many years ago. I paid and they did a switcheroo with an unattractive thai woman. Anyway when I refused the extras. She started berating me about how I'm a bad person and karma will get me one day. That gave me a good laugh for a while. I'm the one paying, I will not be gaslighted into paying extra if I'm not interested.

[Rub101]

So the shop disrespected your time by making you wait 1.5hrs. Then the girl disrespected you by continuously pushing for tips. You didn't walk but at least you recognised not to return after this type of service

I've been to both sakura and kyoto once each, both were good sessions but nothing to write home about. Im lucky to not have a complete dud there considering reviews like this one. The only thing they have on ginza is better rooms. But really who cares about the room

Lol even in jacks review he said this girl loves money.. no doubt she was aggresively pushing tips at ginza too

[xxxdindin]

The fact that she's still on roster means they don't give a fuck and the girls can pick up on it too. If the shop don't give a fuck then the girls won't give a fuck.

Correct, it's a behaviour pattern that girls also pick up on it from shops

[xxxdindin]

It seems its mainly Ginza who care's about their customers and customer feedback

Other shops should take note. Its the customers who pay their salaries. Without customers they will go broke & bankrupt

Sad but a truth is, some shops don't have that brain

[xxxdindin]

I only started punting last month, but I've been reading the forum for about 4 years now, and seeing stuff like this is why I decided to only visit Ginza (and might chance N5M/42G).
Other shops just don't seem to care at all, and probably because there aren't enough complaints and no direct consequences as they've stayed in business this whole time. I check 206/57's roster every now and then, but they come up a lot in the shitty service stories for both shop and girls.

Like with other stuff these days (gaming, eating out, etc), customers can only make a difference if they vote (or walk) with their wallets, and just not spend at the known shitty places if they're not going to provide good or even a basic level of service.

Mate how could you endure reading the forum 4 years but only started punting last month? hahaha just kidding

You're right, "customers can only make a difference if they vote (or walk) with their wallets, and just not spend at the known shitty places" I was thinking the same after this time, otherwise the shop won't care and won't change, and some old sh*t happen and happen again

[Jack-Jack]

FK ALL GIRLS and Ads - Punters should make informed decisions on how/where they spend their $$$ 🤔🙄

As per the Title.... - its your own hard earned $$ so why not think wisely where to spend it and either do more research or if you've been burnt a few times just add them to ignore list

A simple search in the AR thread for these should will show a few bad/not so good ARs - but the disappointing this is the girls there are only 1/3 of the problem....

Sick of seeing newly created accounts or accounts with low post count and the only time they post is for a bad AR to give a rant

Or trolls who are a keyboard warrior and go trolling other long term members that give a lot to the punting community

I'm making the below post purely on my own opinion so take it as you will but i feel the forum at times loses it worth for what it was designed for

And that is giving real intel on shops and girls with real and true ARs be that good or bad instead of personal attacks on shops/girls

We as adults and human beings have half a brain and logic so just do some analysis and due diligence instead of going to a joint or seeing a girl and then regretting it when there are clear red flags...

Sometimes i see an AR on how old and ugly the lady is or how half the services advertised not given well when its $120-150 for the hr for diamond what do you expect...?

The girls gotta eat too and they are probly at a much less popular shop so desperate to try haggle you some more cash...

Dont even get me started on the recent RnT trends...

Long story short..... we as punters we should stand our ground and go to the shop/girl where we are respected as customers and to shops we trust (based on how many times you've been burnt and fucked over)


- If the shop has burnt you before - stop going
- If the girl is known to be hustler and short change you or have major princess syndrome blacklist them (this is why i was saying girls that move shops cos of poor performance should get called out - just like reference checks)
- If reception/management never respond to bad AR on this forum they probly dont care
- If they dont care for ur feedback right after the session again they probly dont care

Soon enough they will learn the importance of customer service is not just about the girls

[Jack-Jack]

Ok, I don't know where to start “Roasting”

For folks who visited ginza couple months ago, kyoto 206 J miru is ginza J miru, same name, same girl

For folks who hadn't seen J miru at ginza, here are Jack mate's report,

http://www.aus99forum.com/showthread.php?123489-Ginza-AR-(Annual-Report-2023)-who-s-your-MMA-(Most-Memorable-Asian)/page23
http://www.aus99forum.com/showthread.php?132827-JACKs-Casting-Ft-J-Miru

as can see J miru's service is around 6 (out of 10). Not great, but she looks like one of my previous girls, I seen her at ginza last time and decided to revisit her when she on kyoto 206's roaster today.


Booked 12pm, 've been told the girl changed to 1pm, ok changed my booking to 1pm. Walked in at 1pm, 've been told girl was not ready, ok waited again. Another 30mins waiting, the girl finally ready.


Walked in the room, J miru recognised me, she started using google translator on her phone asking me if I made the payment to the shop, I was like, "yeah...sure, of course I needed to pay to the shop first to see you". Then she asked me if I wanted same options (she used "chipping money" in the translator, I guess she wanted to say "tipping money"). I really confused with her translation so she showed me her notes on her phone says "No condom sex $xxx", ok I got your ideas now but I just wanna have a safe sex so I refused. She seeing me to decline her offer, persuaded if I want to do "filming", No I don't have filming fantasy so I refused again. TO THIS POINT, she didn't offend me, I understand some girls need money sometimes so they want to provide extra options.


HOWEVER, things go south from here. After I decline her offers twice, she asked me if I can just tip her? I wasn't quite sure if she just want me to give her money for free (because I clearly said I don't want no condom sex and filming ), so I asked her again. "Yes, I don't earn enough money in this shop so if you can tip me I will try to provide good service, because working in this shop doesn't bring me the money I want, I will go to a premium shop later maybe", she used her phone translator to show me. For the record, I don't like the tipping culture in America because customers already paid products and services together in the price, I saw some silly waitress beating customers if they don't receive tips on youtube, but this is in Australia, if I really like the service I can tip, that's after I have received some 5 star service, how can you ask me to tip you even before any services?? (And again I don't do tipping in shops, I just book longer hours with the girl and do one sex and do the talking for the rest hours, so girls happy they get money and resting, shops happy they get more money, me happy I got better service, everyone happy). I refused again for the tipping. J miru saw that she couldn't get extra money from me, she became unhappy and started to complain that why I didn't tipping her (I understand some Japanese words like money, like why, so I can put together that she complain why I didn't tip her), 15mins passed from my 45mins booking now because she kept using phone to ask me for extra, options and tips. Until now I still treat her like a naughty girl who didn't get the candy. THINGS proved I could be very wrong.


On to bed, she had that poker face (was smily when asking for extra money) and "no kissing" when I tried to kiss her, 30 seconds bbbj and 3 mins sex, she asked me if I had cum and finish because time up. I wish I chose the filming option so I can prove to you guys that I didn't exaggerate when I say 30 seconds and 3 mins, I looked at the clock on wall and draw her attention to say 25 mins left in my booking, she didn't believe and used her phone timer (which her set up earlier but even though still 10 mins left even on her phone timer). She realised she's wrong but kept saying time up now. Ok, I hj myself, asked again if I can kiss her? No. Hugging? No.


To this point, I totally lost my interests, used my phone translator to tell her "It's your freedom to choose this shop, no one forced you to earn this rate, you can if you want to choose a premium shop, but as long as you worked in this shop you should at least provide basic service". And walked out the room earlier before booking ends. Walked down the stairs, told the receptionist Amber the very same thing. Amber knows that I was a regular client and apologised several times.


I rarely used sh*t service to describe a girl, I don't want to insult or offend any girls, they worked hard and just want to make some money. But today I really think J miru didn't worth a dollor to spend on her


In conclusion, damage for me today, $260 for the 45 mins booking, 2 * $6.2 parking tickets (because the girl couldn't be on time I had to get 2 ticket to avoid possible fines)


WIR for the girl, NO. I been very tolerant with almost every girls, I always say to receptions that everything is fine the girls is fine, even it is not that fine. You folks hardly see me to post a bad AR for a girl even I just had another bad experience in 108 a few weeks ago, I didn't say anything. However J miru today is just RIDICULOUS


WIR for the shop, NO. I like Amber at 206 reception, she is very lovely girl and has done a very good job, but 206/57 had failed me not one time, not two time, but many times which girls just can't provide service as described (diamond service), that’s ENOUGH. Not mentioned to that today J miru just break a record, LOWEST service score, 1/10 for her service.

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Firstly bro - sorry to hear you had such a bad punt and exGinza girl of all girls... worse a girl that i saw hahaha

But cant say that i am surprised i probly only had 30% hit rate of good punts between Sakura and Kyoto
-- 1 was purely TOFTT and roll the dice
-- Another was recommendation from the boss when i used to be somewhat regular there as he said see this girl shes so good she is asian only but not mentioned on roster page
-- then the others were off friends recommendations and my best ever punt was a exginza girl who moved there but business was slow so she sent me some sexy pics to go see her cos shes like i left for more money but its no where near as busy as ginza do you want to come play with me?
(and NO i will not mention who this girl is)

I think these 2 shops has a small % of hidden gems i mean Haru came from there but even Haru complained about the shop how funny is that??

The problem is not just the girls are bad but the over the top pricing compared to service recieved, the "Creative" photoshopping plus the customer service its just not worth it

WHY... Why do i have to be berated when i am the customer, why do i have to absorb the costs when the girl sets her own timer and short changes me its not a money thing but a principle thing and unethical complain and shop does nothing.....

Ginza its black and white no timer since the shop controls it all via intercom

thats on the shops before i digress too much.... now onto Miru... fuck this hustler LOL

LMFAOOOOO - thank you (i guess) :prettiness::shout: for quoting/refencing my AR on Miru lol ... as i said i call out girls for what it is no cap no bs

I dont sugar coat things or upsell like they are the best ever otherwise what is the point of having a pricing model to seperate the girls ....

I looked at Miru profile again on the website and also back to my AR...

Honestly in hindsight if she was NOT as pretty with that banging body and white skin i would of been more pissed off and maybe rated her lower than the 6.5 - 7.5 for service and for attitude

But i wanted to be fair and give credit to Ginza team and also the girl as they clearly put this in her profile:
“SHE IS NOT SERVICE ORIENTED. BUT SHE IS PRETTY AND CUTE.”

Which is true and she did do all things diamond (from memory)
This is almost a automatic checklist for me after i see the girl and reception knows this and usually dont ask by listing out the diamond services... instead they just go how was she? Did she do everything as they know how detailed i am in my feedback

Gotta give credit where credit is due as I challenge ppl to find other shops that have such a detailed profile description of their girls...

I tried to make it obvious she has clear JPS with these points in my AR....

I can tell she’s pressured with the time and always watching the clock when I nutted before the buzzer went off she goes shower? And I said no

She cos oh but 5mins left on her phone Google translate

I translate back and said relax wait for first buzzer … I come here often I know how the buzzer works

She is not service oriented but she didn’t REFUSE anything diamond I think just need to go longer session and not expect an experienced girl but enjoy ur time with a super cute young j girl willing to suck and fuck you

I reckon the price might be fair but defs can’t be bumped until she gets more consistency in her service but worth the admission for her body and face

BRO i think punters should avoid this girl period unless they are seeking those extras....

that is FUCKED she is so aggressive and blatant in offering those extras and for her mood and service to change after saying no i would of walked out

FWIW... she did have the extras avail but she did not sell it to me nor did her service change cos no tip

she must have incurred alot of debt or her "AV Debut" was a failure cos doesnt make sense if she did an AV to not put that in her profile

I hinted she does the extras cos i saw a piece of paper on the table under the lube and her water with the "menu" and no dom was like $300 i was like WTF u havent even made an AV yet......

hence i put something like this girl loves money LOL .... i think the only thing not on the cards was anal? pretty sure filming was there with no face so u can do ur on AV debut with her LOL but yea her menu she wrote down was covered by the bottle of lube and water

if she did what she did with you on me i would of walked out as her room was just above reception thats almost forcing customer to do unsafe sex otherwise they gonna get standard service ...

the only thing this girl has is looks and body - service and attitude was very Meh and it seems it went from C Tier service and attitude to BLACKLIST from seeing her unless ur going just for those extras but be prepared to be charged a premium.....

This is borderline fucked not just in terms of bad service but unethical and not a professional like walking into a scam

Keep the honest ARs coming and call out these girls with the shit service and attitude so other avoid

Peace out and as always happy punting

[xxxdindin]

Something similar happened to me at a RnT shop many years ago. I paid and they did a switcheroo with an unattractive thai woman. Anyway when I refused the extras. She started berating me about how I'm a bad person and karma will get me one day. That gave me a good laugh for a while. I'm the one paying, I will not be gaslighted into paying extra if I'm not interested.

That's double damage, "bait and switch" plus "berating for no choosing girls' extra"

[Jack-Jack]

That's double damage, "bait and switch" plus "berating for no choosing girls' extra"

HAIYAAAAA --- EMOTIONAL DAMAGE

[xxxdindin]

Hi jack mate, thanks again for the detailed input in this post


I agree with you, and other mates opinions in this post, that I should have walked when J miru haggled in the room.


I can share one more story with fellow punters, that I DID DECIDE TO WALK OUT the room for a jap girl in 108 massage just several weeks ago, that's about 10 mins (my booking was 60mins). I can't tolerant of that girl having JPS, no willing to hug, no willing to bbbj, meh in shower (she tried hj even when I used both english and japanese asking for bbbj, she pretended she didn't understand). So yes, I walked out, told the reception what happened, Guess what, the reception offered 1/4 refund...the reason was that the girl took off her clothes so they can't do full refund, even I received no sex, no bbbj, no hugging, and a light kissing, even when I walked out in 10mins, but because the girl took off her clothes, so I need to paid the 30mins rate which is $220


I then called the shop owner Nana and some calls exchanged, we settled at a 1/2 refund, that is me paying $155 for a 10mins no sex, no bbbj, no hugging, and a light kissing service. I didn't write an AR because 1. some friendship with the shop owner and I don't want to impact her business, 2. I tired of debating and I let it go


So yes guys, I DID walk out in a similar situation and that wasn't a pleasant either. If putting this a few weeks ago's experience together, that explain why I didn't walk straightaway this time for J miru because I still likely just get 1/2 refund for none service (or 1/4 refund if losing the debate with shops). Wasn't a wise decision but somewhat logical (from my previous experience)


Of course both cases were ridiculous

[Sexybee]

I don’t think owners didn’t know what was happened with these girls, they just try to make a balance between punters and girls, it would be very easy for owners to make a clear decision about these girls if enough girls came to their shops.

[Meng]

So the shop disrespected your time by making you wait 1.5hrs. Then the girl disrespected you by continuously pushing for tips. You didn't walk but at least you recognised not to return after this type of service

I've been to both sakura and kyoto once each, both were good sessions but nothing to write home about. Im lucky to not have a complete dud there considering reviews like this one. The only thing they have on ginza is better rooms. But really who cares about the room

Lol even in jacks review he said this girl loves money.. no doubt she was aggresively pushing tips at ginza too

I've had a few decent punts there and off course the legend that is Sandra is still working at Kyoto. Having said that I wouldn't try any of their jap girls. More often then not they're overpriced and shit service.

[Jack-Jack]

Hi jack mate, thanks again for the detailed input in this post


I agree with you, and other mates opinions in this post, that I should have walked when J miru haggled in the room.


I can share one more story with fellow punters, that I DID DECIDE TO WALK OUT the room for a jap girl in 108 massage just several weeks ago, that's about 10 mins (my booking was 60mins). I can't tolerant of that girl having JPS, no willing to hug, no willing to bbbj, meh in shower (she tried hj even when I used both english and japanese asking for bbbj, she pretended she didn't understand). So yes, I walked out, told the reception what happened, Guess what, the reception offered 1/4 refund...the reason was that the girl took off her clothes so they can't do full refund, even I received no sex, no bbbj, no hugging, and a light kissing, even when I walked out in 10mins, but because the girl took off her clothes, so I need to paid the 30mins rate which is $220


I then called the shop owner Nana and some calls exchanged, we settled at a 1/2 refund, that is me paying $155 for a 10mins no sex, no bbbj, no hugging, and a light kissing service. I didn't write an AR because 1. some friendship with the shop owner and I don't want to impact her business, 2. I tired of debating and I let it go


So yes guys, I DID walk out in a similar situation and that wasn't a pleasant either. If putting this a few weeks ago's experience together, that explain why I didn't walk straightaway this time for J miru because I still likely just get 1/2 refund for none service (or 1/4 refund if losing the debate with shops). Wasn't a wise decision but somewhat logical (from my previous experience)


Of course both cases were ridiculous

It can be hard too sometimes and conflicting esp if it’s a shorter session

I have maybe 2-3 sessions where I was tempted to walk out but wanted to see how bad it got ie was it just we didn’t vibe and she is not the talkative type but still try to service you and do most of diamond or she just a bitch with princess syndrome…

I can tell you the few times I did complain like I wanted to punch someone and when I walked out early reception were very keen for my feedback the funniest was when the girl got fired the next day even after her price dropped the same day

But yea it had to be very bad cos usually I do 30mins and by the time we are on the bed probably 10mins gone so I just wait it eye or close my eyes and think of BLACKPINK and pump away hahaha

Miru sounds like she’s much worse than when she was at Ginza and she was pretty bad there already

At least J Miru was pretty imagine getting shit service but her looking is a 6/10 and has size 7-8 body with dry skin….

Fuck I got ptsd from that girl

Yea it’s really annoying when shit girls don’t get retrained or fired
It’s like a lucky dip to see which unlucky person picks her

Mirage and 360 in its glory days were pretty good

Mirage was great when nana was very involved with day to day

360 when Linda and hitomi were running things and super involved in day to day would give most shops a run for their money even Ginza but sadly it’s gone downhill and seems to still be recovering

[Jack-Jack]

when ginza managed J Miru, her service was 5 or 6 out of 10. Not great, but met some minumum standards that draw me to revisit her again

J miru under 206 management, her service was 1 out of 10

Same girl, see the difference?

Same with a number of girls that left Ginza … as mentioned by other punters

[Jack-Jack]

Mate, very same reason I told the boys she was good when at ginza. I didn't want to make difficulty for any girls, so even when some times the reception said they will displine the girls, I said no that's all fine. I know girls need to make some money.

Things turn out I could be very wrong (for some girls)

lol I came out not so happy and Roy swore in Chinese like fk and then with a defeated smile said no good?

I said yea not up to my standard and he nodded acknowledging she has room to irl over comment through what she did as per diamond advertised vs what she needs to improve and what is NOT ON

You don’t tell the customer to shower before the buzzer so you can rush them out and short change them I made that very clear

Reception team were amazing he was like shit she has customer now but I will talk to her after thank you

But end of the day if the shop tell them what to do to improve or even get girls to train them it comes down to attitude to change

A bitch will always be a bitch like the Karen’s and if this keeps up pretty sure Ginza will tell them to F off because they just have to deal with their complaints all day … maybe that is why miru never went back to Ginza LOL

Same applies for Tomo who went either Sakura or Kyoto

That girl showered like covid period when you came home from Westfield or a medical clinic… she may as well scrubs in the room …

[xxxdindin]

It can be hard too sometimes and conflicting esp if it’s a shorter session

I have maybe 2-3 sessions where I was tempted to walk out but wanted to see how bad it got ie was it just we didn’t vibe and she is not the talkative type but still try to service you and do most of diamond or she just a bitch with princess syndrome…

I can tell you the few times I did complain like I wanted to punch someone and when I walked out early reception were very keen for my feedback the funniest was when the girl got fired the next day even after her price dropped the same day

But yea it had to be very bad cos usually I do 30mins and by the time we are on the bed probably 10mins gone so I just wait it eye or close my eyes and think of BLACKPINK and pump away hahaha

Miru sounds like she’s much worse than when she was at Ginza and she was pretty bad there already

At least J Miru was pretty imagine getting shit service but her looking is a 6/10 and has size 7-8 body with dry skin….

Fuck I got ptsd from that girl

Yea it’s really annoying when shit girls don’t get retrained or fired
It’s like a lucky dip to see which unlucky person picks her

Mirage and 360 in its glory days were pretty good

Mirage was great when nana was very involved with day to day

360 when Linda and hitomi were running things and super involved in day to day would give most shops a run for their money even Ginza but sadly it’s gone downhill and seems to still be recovering


Which Blackpink girl to think of (when you endured) you need to tell me!! LOL

PTSD part make me laugh too :)

I probably use "minefield" instead of "lucky dip" in some shops, I mean you wouldn't get unlucky with "lucky dip" stuff, but really "minefield" is more appropriate to describe how I feel to walk into some shops, cos that cause damage.

[xxxdindin]

Guys may want to check this out

http://www.aus99forum.com/showthread.php?136956-Tsuki-Bad

J miru is J Tsuki at 42g

[Meng]

Guys may want to check this out

http://www.aus99forum.com/showthread.php?136956-Tsuki-Bad

J miru is J Tsuki at 42g

Holy crap thanks for this info. I feel like there's a dip in quality Japanese girls post covid.

[mn69]

Holy crap thanks for this info. I feel like there's a dip in quality Japanese girls post covid.

Its the new generation. The Gen Z social media generation who think they're hot because they post up heavily filtered fake make-up photos of themselves

And also alot more desperate for money post Covid

[xxxdindin]

Holy crap thanks for this info. I feel like there's a dip in quality Japanese girls post covid.

No worries mate. Sharing is caring.

I like your reports in early days back at 42g, cos that's when I punted at 42g too

[xxxdindin]

Its the new generation. The Gen Z social media generation who think they're hot because they post up heavily filtered fake make-up photos of themselves

And also alot more desperate for money post Covid


Yeah I guess that's where some girls' princess syndrome come from, in real life, no so good looking

[Jack-Jack]

Thanks for AR bro. Wow thats the worst. What the hells happening!!! Japanese girls are usually known for good service.

So many girls now are money hungry.

This is seriously worse than a Chinese girl's service

Doesn't she know she will make more money if she establishes a regular customer base.

No business or financial intelligence. Thats why she ain't making any money

Ginza would fire these sorts of girls straight away

probly explains why she was NOT at ginza in her return stint

a girl of her calibre in looking and body to get passed up by ginza if shes worked thre before? something doesnt add up....

[Jack-Jack]

That’s a terrible experience for sure, everyone’s worst fear when going for a punt. Not a good advertisement for the shop. After reading that they should be scrambling to make things right. But from what I’ve read about them, probably not.

almost as bad as those comments back then of girls at a popular city massage shop that were forced to provide such extras which i think lead to something nasty going around so bad

[Jack-Jack]

Sadly (and you're right), Not.

Short term, I got hit.

Long term, market will give the shop corrections.

hahahaha bro shes getting moved lower and lower like division 1 of EPL then div 2 then 3 LOL

[Jack-Jack]

That's terrible! Than drained your wallet, and I haven't seen any positive reviews. I wonder if the issue lies with the worker or the management


Taking my story as an example, Ramu at Ginza was so good, 9 out of 10. I booked her N5M, 7 out of 10 even though she knew me, 4 out of 10 at Kyoto 206. I said to myself I was shamed for myself, why did I book her again and again.


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Both the girls and management -- just do q quick filter by shop name in this AR thread and filter by shop name in the general thread (funny that it comes under "Complain" and you will notice a trend)

[Jack-Jack]

I've constantly noticed when a girl moves from Ginza, her service levels drop significantly. Then continues to drop more as she moves to other shops

Seen J Ramu as well by the way. Her service levels weren't "S or A" Tier level to start off with anyway.

So bottom line, when a girl moves from Ginza, proceed with caution.

There are exceptions though. I mean, girls like K Hanna still maintained her high level of service even though she moved.

So bottom line, when a girl moves from Ginza, proceed with caution. - very true

there are exceptions with K Hanna where it was all the same

But then there was K Emma who moved from ginza empire to no5 similar service but price went up LOL

there was J Natsumi too before she took some services away was maybe B-C tier tops at ginza very meh but good value i think for $280 but when she moved she was like the best ever there but she wouldnt even make B Tier service at ginza let alone A Tier

[Jack-Jack]

The fact that she's still on roster means they don't give a fuck and the girls can pick up on it too. If the shop don't give a fuck then the girls won't give a fuck.

very very well said brother Meng

If the shops dont give a fuck i guess we as punters only thing we can do is just keep sharing the intel and help others avoid such girls...!

[Jack-Jack]

I only started punting last month, but I've been reading the forum for about 4 years now, and seeing stuff like this is why I decided to only visit Ginza (and might chance N5M/42G).
Other shops just don't seem to care at all, and probably because there aren't enough complaints and no direct consequences as they've stayed in business this whole time. I check 206/57's roster every now and then, but they come up a lot in the shitty service stories for both shop and girls.

Like with other stuff these days (gaming, eating out, etc), customers can only make a difference if they vote (or walk) with their wallets, and just not spend at the known shitty places if they're not going to provide good or even a basic level of service.

Alot of this also comes down to both not enough intel and honest shit punts being shared and also too much overhype from some ARs

Its like you say food and new pop up events or food carts being overhyped by influencers with the filters and angles and shit to boost the shop on social media...

u go there and ur like WTF is this?!??

was having some KBBQ with some mates after some pints and saw a group of young girls doing filming and shit they full got out these props, fancy lighting and mirrors and stuff to film this short film (not really short 20mins and they were still going at it)

we look at each other and just laughed.... u can film all you want but the pro's know this shop is not the same level as Borgna or 789.

[Jack-Jack]

So the shop disrespected your time by making you wait 1.5hrs. Then the girl disrespected you by continuously pushing for tips. You didn't walk but at least you recognised not to return after this type of service

I've been to both sakura and kyoto once each, both were good sessions but nothing to write home about. Im lucky to not have a complete dud there considering reviews like this one. The only thing they have on ginza is better rooms. But really who cares about the room

Lol even in jacks review he said this girl loves money.. no doubt she was aggressively pushing tips at ginza too


OP Can Confirm but i dont think he waited 1.5 hours bro

"Booked 12pm, 've been told the girl changed to 1pm, ok changed my booking to 1pm. Walked in at 1pm, 've been told girl was not ready, ok waited again. Another 30mins waiting, the girl finally ready."

sounds like he booked for 12pm but was told the girl changed to 1pm and when he arrived at 1pm for his booked was told to waiting another 30mins so counting from when he arrived he waited 30mins?

She probs slept in or something cos the roster showed her as starting at 12pm

[Jack-Jack]

Which Blackpink girl to think of (when you endured) you need to tell me!! LOL

PTSD part make me laugh too :)

I probably use "minefield" instead of "lucky dip" in some shops, I mean you wouldn't get unlucky with "lucky dip" stuff, but really "minefield" is more appropriate to describe how I feel to walk into some shops, cos that cause damage.

Jennie or Jisoo think of their face during doggy and just touch her smooth body and soft boobs hahahaha and go yea cmon Jennie hahahah

she did have a good body i will give her that but limitations on too many things and KPS and just things feeling rushed was not very enjoyable i cant recall if i too did 30mins so thought she was rushing cos she is not used to 30mins and still being able to tick off all diamond services but sounds like she is just JPS

hahaha landmine well the lucky dip is your with a hot girl but cant really touch too much and cant fuck too much ie JPS but she is really pretty and white smooth skin but 320 for JPS not worth it!!

I always say - somethimes i pretty slighty less pretty or beautiful girl but top service and no JPS

[Jack-Jack]

Holy crap thanks for this info. I feel like there's a dip in quality Japanese girls post covid.

The thread and community definitely needs more honest ARs

It will defs help those that go in less often and also newbies that just joined

[Jack-Jack]

No worries mate. Sharing is caring.

I like your reports in early days back at 42g, cos that's when I punted at 42g too

yea the good ol 42G was pretty good but its glory days ..... in fact that place and 5 star wollomoloo was where i started before i discovered ginza

had too many regret punts out in the west so stuck to 42G and 5 star being close to the city then i found this forum and was like hmmmm what is this Ginza thing ppl talk about LOL

[xxxdindin]

Jennie or Jisoo think of their face during doggy and just touch her smooth body and soft boobs hahahaha and go yea cmon Jennie hahahah

she did have a good body i will give her that but limitations on too many things and KPS and just things feeling rushed was not very enjoyable i cant recall if i too did 30mins so thought she was rushing cos she is not used to 30mins and still being able to tick off all diamond services but sounds like she is just JPS

hahaha landmine well the lucky dip is your with a hot girl but cant really touch too much and cant fuck too much ie JPS but she is really pretty and white smooth skin but 320 for JPS not worth it!!

I always say - somethimes i pretty slighty less pretty or beautiful girl but top service and no JPS


Why not Lisa bro hahaha, Jisoo and Lisa would do for me, I feel Jennie a little KPS and b**th face lol just kidding

[xxxdindin]

OP Can Confirm but i dont think he waited 1.5 hours bro

"Booked 12pm, 've been told the girl changed to 1pm, ok changed my booking to 1pm. Walked in at 1pm, 've been told girl was not ready, ok waited again. Another 30mins waiting, the girl finally ready."

sounds like he booked for 12pm but was told the girl changed to 1pm and when he arrived at 1pm for his booked was told to waiting another 30mins so counting from when he arrived he waited 30mins?

She probs slept in or something cos the roster showed her as starting at 12pm


Jack is correct about the time.

206 sent me a notice at 10am, that girl changed time from 12pm to 1pm. I walked in at 1pm, been told J miru needed the lube and won't work without lube (yeah same old sensitive pussy stuff), so I waited 30mins after I walked in.

[dt333]

Cliff notes I got from reading this thread:
Ginza is John West
Kyoto/Sakua is John West rejects

[Jack-Jack]

Taking my story as an example, Ramu at Ginza was so good, 9 out of 10. I booked her N5M, 7 out of 10 even though she knew me, 4 out of 10 at Kyoto 206. I said to myself I was shamed for myself, why did I book her again and again.


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Bahahahaahaha the depreciation affect like a car just kept dropping and dropping LOL

[Jack-Jack]

Why not Lisa bro hahaha, Jisoo and Lisa would do for me, I feel Jennie a little KPS and b**th face lol just kidding

Jisoo is the winner for visuals

Jennie for looks and her personality - more cute and kawaii type (need to watch her weverse updates with fans and her appearances on reality Tv) but yes on insta and most of her ads she comes across bitchy with RBF LOL

Lisa i dont like the Spanish/Filo look and shes too dolled up IMO vs the other girls (personal preference)

I like lighter skin girls hence not a fan Spanish/Filo girls, some Indo girls and girls from Okinawa ....

Thats why J/S Meg was a one and done for me just the novelty to fuck a Lisa from Blackpink lookalike

[Jack-Jack]

Cliff notes I got from reading this thread:
Ginza is John West
Kyoto/Sakua is John West rejects

Do the basic stuff right and the customers will come/know whats up

Ginza is like McNuggests or McFlurry

Some may argue that Hungry Jacks does the Storm ice cream but it aint Maccas McFlurry

Red Rooster, KFC and HJ all do Nuggets and KFC specialises in chicken but how many can topple Maccas Nuggs??

[Jack-Jack]

when ginza managed J Miru, her service was 5 or 6 out of 10. Not great, but met some minumum standards that draw me to revisit her again

J miru under 206 management, her service was 1 out of 10

Same girl, see the difference?

Brooooo ur fav girl finally made her AV Debut under the stage name "Miru Iitoyo" and now returned to Kyoto hahahaha $330 lol