Full service with ML

[bobhappy888]

Gents, how much are you paying these days for FS with a ML?

Are you paying an extra $100 on top of the $50 handjob tip? Or is it $100 in total for tips?

Cheers

[Nelly69]

its usually $150 for FS.

[11Bravo]

Gents, how much are you paying these days for FS with a ML?

Are you paying an extra $100 on top of the $50 handjob tip? Or is it $100 in total for tips?
Depends on the individual provider. MY ceiling is $150 total, but I know some that are lower. It's all about what her experience is worth to YOU that day.

AND, it's a FEE FOR SERVICE, not a tip.

[NC3]

Tip: for 30min. 120$ - for 45min. 150$ - for 60min. 180$ ... plus the shop money 55-65-75.
Can be maybe 20$ more but it depends how the session [ I am talking about 'Ginza service'] will go with the ml.
Don't spoil the field / ml.

Very few times [ only three / four times] ml disagree with my tip, so in those cases I had only massage.
95% of my sessions were / are almost 10 out of 10.

[c1teh9]

$120-$150 for 1hr

[MrPB]

Depends on the time and the girl. As others state, no more than $150 for an hour.

[Abracadabra]

So, for the initiated :
You pay $75 est 60 mins massage
Plus $50 NHJ
Plus $150 FS

Aggregate 60 mins $275?

[yellow_sub]

$150 on top max.

[Abracadabra]

So, for the initiated :
You pay $75 est 60 mins massage
Plus $50 NHJ
Plus $150 FS

Aggregate 60 mins $275?

Obviously should have read UNinitiated!!

[Abracadabra]

$150 on top max.

So, is the NHJ an option and you can skip and go straight to FS?

Meaning : $75 + $150 = $225 .....sounds inexpensive??

[1inchguy]

So, for the initiated :
You pay $75 est 60 mins massage
Plus $50 NHJ
Plus $150 FS

Aggregate 60 mins $275?

My experience NHJ is part of FS so it's just $150 no extra $50.
If paying extra on top of Fs is a rip off.
Although theres other extras that's separate like CIM,COF.

[11Bravo]

So, is the NHJ an option and you can skip and go straight to FS?

Meaning : $75 + $150 = $225 .....sounds inexpensive??

Massage (for the room and the legit massage): $70-$90/hour

Extras:
Part 2: +$50 NHJ
Part 2.1 +$50 other sexual activities short of penetration, e.g. B2B, oral (probably CBJ but could be BBBJ), Spanish, etc.
Part 3 +$50 FS

Total: $150 SERVICE FEES. There's no "skipping" needed, up to you and the ML as to the speed of the progression. Maybe a little "handsy", followed by some "oral", followed by some "pelvic thrusters" if you've paid "in full".

Each stage is "additive", and includes the lower numbered stages, e.g. $100 should get you a NHJ + oral, but not FS (OK, with some ladies, it will allow you "access" to check her oil with your dipstick).

Grand total, bottom line: $70 to $90 + (SERVICE FEES noted above) = in most cases, $220 to $240/hour for FS

[The Sampler]

$100 for FS with an ML is my absolute ceiling for me.

That wat a 60 minute session is around 150-170.
I don't know why in recent years people are paying $150 on top, those girls most be absolutely hot stuff.

I have only been convinced once to handover $150, and that was with Freya when she was at Merrylands and Top Ryde.
Well worth it.

[yellow_sub]

Massage (for the room and the legit massage): $70-$90/hour

Extras:
Part 2: +$50 NHJ
Part 2.1 +$50 other sexual activities short of penetration, e.g. B2B, oral (probably CBJ but could be BBBJ), Spanish, etc.
Part 3 +$50 FS

Total: $150 SERVICE FEES. There's no "skipping" needed, up to you and the ML as to the speed of the progression. Maybe a little "handsy", followed by some "oral", followed by some "pelvic thrusters" if you've paid "in full".

Each stage is "additive", and includes the lower numbered stages, e.g. $100 should get you a NHJ + oral, but not FS (OK, with some ladies, it will allow you "access" to check her oil with your dipstick).

Grand total, bottom line: $70 to $90 + (SERVICE FEES noted above) = in most cases, $220 to $240/hour for FS

Thanks Bro Bravo for the metaphorical explains lol

Someone from the other post said he would go to a proper brothel for the same $220-240 price.

Depends how you look at in. I always like a massage before get the car serviced.

[11Bravo]

Thanks Bro Bravo for the metaphorical explains lol

Someone from the other post said he would go to a proper brothel for the same $220-240 price.

Depends how you look at in. I always like a massage before get the car serviced.
Likewise. Some might be happy with a 30 minute oil change. Myself, I want the windshield cleaned, tire pressures checked (including the spare), and the interior vacuumed along with the oil change.

[Abracadabra]

Massage (for the room and the legit massage): $70-$90/hour

Extras:
Part 2: +$50 NHJ
Part 2.1 +$50 other sexual activities short of penetration, e.g. B2B, oral (probably CBJ but could be BBBJ), Spanish, etc.
Part 3 +$50 FS

Total: $150 SERVICE FEES. There's no "skipping" needed, up to you and the ML as to the speed of the progression. Maybe a little "handsy", followed by some "oral", followed by some "pelvic thrusters" if you've paid "in full".

Each stage is "additive", and includes the lower numbered stages, e.g. $100 should get you a NHJ + oral, but not FS (OK, with some ladies, it will allow you "access" to check her oil with your dipstick).

Grand total, bottom line: $70 to $90 + (SERVICE FEES noted above) = in most cases, $220 to $240/hour for FS

Thanks Bravo ~ enjoyed the metaphors.

I think I'm latching onto this??

If I want to negotiate FS it will likely be $150 (on top of the base massage fee) and that also incorporates NHJ + oral, but how that NHJ/oral/FS roles out is up to punter/ML.

If ML rules FS out, a NHJ will be $50 and oral an extra $50 = $100.

It's the dark art!

[Nelly69]

Yeah I don't pay for FS anymore with ML. when it used to be $100 I was ok with that. but now its $150, I rather get a 30 mins session at Ginza for $180.

I've been experiment going to a proper Thai massage shop for $90 an hour, get a good massage for full 60 mins then popping over the Ginza for a 30 mins to finish off. usually this adds up to $270-$280.

A one hour massage plus FS is $290 and you only get 35mins of massage and 10 mins of FS....

Think about it boys. :)

[NC3]

Yeah I don't pay for FS anymore with ML. when it used to be $100 I was ok with that. but now its $150, I rather get a 30 mins session at Ginza for $180.

I've been experiment going to a proper Thai massage shop for $90 an hour, get a good massage for full 60 mins then popping over the Ginza for a 30 mins to finish off. usually this adds up to $270-$280.

A one hour massage plus FS is $290 and you only get 35mins of massage and 10 mins of FS....

Think about it boys. :)

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Hi N69
I control the session 100%. Massage in my session is only max 10min. [ and that is, if I see the ml for first time] just for warm up and to know each other, then that is the path ... Tip: for 30min. 120$ - for 45min. 150$ - for 60min. 180$ ... plus the shop money 55-65-75.
-Can be maybe 20$ more but it depends how the session [ I am talking about 'Ginza service'] will go with the ml.

-Very few times [ only three / four times] ml disagrees with my tip, so in those cases I had only massage.
-95% of my sessions were / are almost 10 out of 10.

Therefore, almost never I go to shops that have inclusive rates, you know this 100-120-140, complicated staff is happening with this kind of set up most of the times.

[Nelly69]

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Hi N69
I control the session 100%. Massage in my session is only max 10min. [ and that is, if I see the ml for first time] just for warm up and to know each other, then that is the path ... Tip: for 30min. 120$ - for 45min. 150$ - for 60min. 180$ ... plus the shop money 55-65-75.
-Can be maybe 20$ more but it depends how the session [ I am talking about 'Ginza service'] will go with the ml.

-Very few times [ only three / four times] ml disagrees with my tip, so in those cases I had only massage.
-95% of my sessions were / are almost 10 out of 10.

Therefore, almost never I go to shops that have inclusive rates, you know this 100-120-140, complicated staff is happening with this kind of set up most of the times.

wow NC3!!! you've just opened my punting eyes! of all my ML sessions, the massage time is always at least 50%... I never thought to control the session and only get 10mins massage time... mind blown...

[11Bravo]

Thanks Bravo ~ enjoyed the metaphors.

I think I'm latching onto this??

If I want to negotiate FS it will likely be $150 (on top of the base massage fee) and that also incorporates NHJ + oral, but how that NHJ/oral/FS roles out is up to punter/ML.

If ML rules FS out, a NHJ will be $50 and oral an extra $50 = $100.

It's the dark art!

Generally speaking, you got it. I've had some offer FS for $100, others have asked me for a bid, others have said "Up to you". For the latter, BEFORE starting, I make a bid, maybe $120-$130. I NEVER leave the "up to you" open-ended. Too prone to bad feelings, especially as I'm prone to regulars. Likewise, the first price you pay will be the price you pay on subsequent visits. If it was good enough once (for both parties), then it should be good enough again. I refer to these as SERVICE FEES. I don't tip. My tip is repeat business. Tipping tends to lead to misunderstandings - why did you pay her xxx total last time, now only xxn this time (where n<x).

Myself, as I've mentioned before, I don't really negotiate. If she's below my ceilings ($100 for everything EXCLUDING FS, $150 FS which includes the NHJ and other stimulations), I don't try to negotiate her down. If she's OTT, I just POLITELY decline. Given that she makes her coin on the extras, IME, she'll make a counteroffer, or suggest a step down in class. If we can agree, fine. If not, then it'll be a long massage, but I can't remember that ever happening.

Don't assume the oral will be BB, C is frequent. If it's important, especially if the final destination, ask first. Don't expect CIM, ask.

All the above is very dependent on your targets' demographics. Given mine are "older", increases my chance at success. She appreciates the business, I appreciate the expertise. I've been around long enough I'm not really looking for a string of new notches on my belt - hell, it has enough trouble holding up my pants in the first place.

Bottom line: just understand YMMV. In a brothel, she doesn't "really" have a choice, it will be FS. It RnT, up to her.

[NC3]

wow NC3!!! you've just opened my punting eyes! of all my ML sessions, the massage time is always at least 50%... I never thought to control the session and only get 10mins massage time... mind blown...

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I think is common sense. You manage the session and the ml will follow you, in case she is going to disagree with the whole 'script' [ rarely can happen] then stay only with the massage.
Therefore as I said, almost never I visit shops with inclusive rates because inclusive rates it means that you have pre-paid for service [ nhj ] that maybe you will not want to do in case there is not connection with the ml.

so simple ...

p.s. I have said many times in this forum, Ginza service GS- Ginza rates GR can be your guide. Never accept to pay more or even the same [that you are paying at G] in any massage shop.
spoil the field / ml is not good idea.

[GoldfishMan]

Massage (for the room and the legit massage): $70-$90/hour

Extras:
Part 2: +$50 NHJ
Part 2.1 +$50 other sexual activities short of penetration, e.g. B2B, oral (probably CBJ but could be BBBJ), Spanish, etc.
Part 3 +$50 FS

Total: $150 SERVICE FEES. There's no "skipping" needed, up to you and the ML as to the speed of the progression. Maybe a little "handsy", followed by some "oral", followed by some "pelvic thrusters" if you've paid "in full".

Each stage is "additive", and includes the lower numbered stages, e.g. $100 should get you a NHJ + oral, but not FS (OK, with some ladies, it will allow you "access" to check her oil with your dipstick).

Grand total, bottom line: $70 to $90 + (SERVICE FEES noted above) = in most cases, $220 to $240/hour for FS

Nice summary, bro. One thing though... While the FS fee should basically "unlock" all services, I personally do not go for FS once oil is applied to my dick.

I once made a mistake of changing my mind mid-NHJ and decided to go for FS. The ML needed to clean my dick with cold wet wipes just to be able to put on a condom. BBBJ was out of the question because of the oil.

I reckon if you really wanted bang for your buck and absolutely need to have all services, I'd recommend getting the NHJ last.

[11Bravo]

Nice summary, bro. One thing though... While the FS fee should basically "unlock" all services, I personally do not go for FS once oil is applied to my dick.

I once made a mistake of changing my mind mid-NHJ and decided to go for FS. The ML needed to clean my dick with cold wet wipes just to be able to put on a condom. BBBJ was out of the question because of the oil.

I reckon if you really wanted bang for your buck and absolutely need to have all services, I'd recommend getting the NHJ last.

IME, the ML will be fiddling with my dick as she's trying for an up-sell, but doesn't apply oil until it's confirmed that a NHJ is as far as we'll go. Unless I'm there for edging, or I've made a mistake in the selection, I rarely fly economy. At a minimum, it's business, or first. In either case, oil will be left in the bottle. Nice thing about regulars, we both know why I'm there.

[ColesBag]

Went to SBM recently & one of the girls wanted 150 for FS. I turned her down. Too much. Settled for the NHJ instead which was included.

[11Bravo]

Went to SBM recently & one of the girls wanted 150 for FS. I turned her down. Too much. Settled for the NHJ instead which was included.

And THAT'S the problem with the inclusive shops. Girls geared to FS=$150 in their hand, but they don't include the already paid $50 NHJ in their price as it's stuck in the till at the desk. At these inclusive shops, MY ceiling is +$100 FS.

[NC3]

And THAT'S the problem with the inclusive shops. Girls geared to FS=$150 in their hand, but they don't include the already paid $50 NHJ in their price as it's stuck in the till at the desk. At these inclusive shops, MY ceiling is +$100 FS.

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exactly this ... ' but they don't include the already paid $50 NHJ in their price '.
Inclusive rates are so wrong. People need to avoid shops with inclusive rates so the owners will realise that they have to go back to normal set up, 50-65-75.

[Keeping Up]

At 227NS a stunning lady, and I mean stunning, asked for $200 for FS and I just smiled and said no. She countered with 150 then 120 and we agreed. Smart enough to understand she had to maximise her earn for an hour.
Saw her a couple times after and voluntarily gave her $150 as I thought she was worth it. If she wouldn’t budge the first time I was out so we both achieved decent outcomes in the end.

[Strommer]

At 227NS a stunning lady, and I mean stunning, asked for $200 for FS and I just smiled and said no. She countered with 150 then 120 and we agreed. Smart enough to understand she had to maximise her earn for an hour.
Saw her a couple times after and voluntarily gave her $150 as I thought she was worth it. If she wouldn’t budge the first time I was out so we both achieved decent outcomes in the end.

I figure full service is $150 on top of massage. Thats what I am going to be expecting when I head that route with a ML.

But you are right, you sign up for the massage for 60 minutes, how much of that does the ML see if nothing else happens? Not much at all I'm guessing. So the incentive is there for the WL to make the most of her hour's time to earn.

Is this stunning lady still working, and her name or name she is now know as at another shop, and which shop :-)

[trampslikeus55]

As an aside there seems to be a proliferation of bracket creep about at the moment. $200 for FS seems to be asked and paid quite regularly on the forum. Each to their own but this is overs Most brothels are cheaper for 30 mins. And you will have a willing participant 👍

[NC3]

At 227NS a stunning lady, and I mean stunning, asked for $200 for FS and I just smiled and said no. She countered with 150 then 120 and we agreed. Smart enough to understand she had to maximise her earn for an hour.
Saw her a couple times after and voluntarily gave her $150 as I thought she was worth it. If she wouldn’t budge the first time I was out so we both achieved decent outcomes in the end.

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Great!!!
The client has 100% the control of the session, if the ml disagrees with the tip, just have only massage. so simple.

[trampslikeus55]

I figure full service is $150 on top of massage. Thats what I am going to be expecting when I head that route with a ML.

But you are right, you sign up for the massage for 60 minutes, how much of that does the ML see if nothing else happens? Not much at all I'm guessing. So the incentive is there for the WL to make the most of her hour's time to earn.

Is this stunning lady still working, and her name or name she is now know as at another shop, and which shop :-)
I will guess it was Kara or Lucky and they both still work at NS227 and E41 😁

[Kiki kong]

Went to SBM recently & one of the girls wanted 150 for FS. I turned her down. Too much. Settled for the NHJ instead which was included.

This has happened to me several times. Usually it's the young pretty Thai girls asking $150-200. It's ridiculous, but I tell them I ain't rich and I'm on Centrelink. Obviously they laugh since I'm usually well dressed and relatively fit looking, but I'll get FS for $100 extra.

[11Bravo]

When I first started punting in SYD, paid the massage fee of $65 with a $50 +$20. Detoured to the toilet (don't get old), came back, looking for the change, the girl pointed to the table in the room, there the fiver was. Great.

HOWEVER, the poor girl was assigned double duty, masseuse AND receptionist. After one too many interruptions, I'd had it. When she returned once again, I was getting off the table, starting to get dressed. She was "What's the problem?" When I explained, I WAS leaving, she informed me the massage was $90. Say WHAT? I pointed to the sign on the wall where 1 hour was CLEARLY listed as $65 (right next to the sign that said "No sexual services"). With a STRAIGHT face, she said, "That's for a massage WITH extras. For a massage WITHOUT extras, $90. DANGEROUS situation, myself trying to keep from laughing.

But we DID reach a mutually satisfactory compromise (NOT a dirty word), and I left happy, happy enough to return (with her promise of sole attention to me, which she did keep - oh, yes, indeed).

So yes, the providers make THEIR coin on the extras, and most are reluctant to forgo a full loss of income. Having said that, be reasonable. They do have a floor just as we have a ceiling.

[tcrawford]

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Therefore as I said, almost never I visit shops with inclusive rates because inclusive rates it means that you have pre-paid for service [ nhj ] that maybe you will not want to do in case there is not connection with the ml.


It's actually considered bad etiquette to not go with the minimum nhj extra at the non-inclusive shops. Otherwise the girl gets a bare minimum for the session just on the massage booking, something like $25 from the $75. I mean you can do it but eventually you will get a bad reputation if you do it too often.

[tcrawford]

And THAT'S the problem with the inclusive shops. Girls geared to FS=$150 in their hand, but they don't include the already paid $50 NHJ in their price as it's stuck in the till at the desk. At these inclusive shops, MY ceiling is +$100 FS.

Oh the girls are not stupid, they work these jobs for a living and know exactly the calculations between inclusive and non-inclusive. It's just that you have encountered a girl that puts her fee at $200 FS and therefore they charge $150 at the inclusive shops. I guarantee you if you find that girl at a non-inclusive she will try to charge $200.

[11Bravo]

Oh the girls are not stupid, they work these jobs for a living and know exactly the calculations between inclusive and non-inclusive. It's just that you have encountered a girl that puts her fee at $200 FS and therefore they charge $150 at the inclusive shops. I guarantee you if you find that girl at a non-inclusive she will try to charge $200.WITHOUT doubt, they are NOT stupid. They know exactly their MSRP, but I also know that each has a floor.

TRY being the operative word. My attitude is it never hurts to ask, but, myself, just like an interior down lineman (and the crowd begins to chant, hold the line, HOLD the line, HOLD THE LINE) I do. Sometimes it's a touchdown, sometimes a first down, rarely a sack.

And I do agree, in the non-inclusive shops, it is expected to at least fly economy, if not business or first. Otherwise, just go to a legit massage shop and stop wasting her time. She also has bills to pay.

[tcrawford]

Oh I didn't mean they won't negotiate on their starting price, I just mean they will have a different starting price based on the shop payment model.

On a side note negotiating down extras could also be a mood killer, or the girl might be less enthusiastic. Just something to consider.

[11Bravo]

On a side note negotiating down extras could also be a mood killer, or the girl might be less enthusiastic. Just something to consider.
I agree, and as I've said somewhere, I don't negotiate. If she's at or below my ceiling, it's a go. If not, I'll just politely decline, and wait to see if she makes another suggestion. If asked, I tell the truth: 50/100/150. But honestly, with my demographics and my looks, you say old, I say experienced, they are VERY astute...

It's just VERY simple: I KNOW what I'm willing to pay for HER experience. I'm polite but not gullible.

[NC3]

It's actually considered bad etiquette to not go with the minimum nhj extra at the non-inclusive shops. Otherwise the girl gets a bare minimum for the session just on the massage booking, something like $25 from the $75. I mean you can do it but eventually you will get a bad reputation if you do it too often.

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I understand your point of view but for me the bad etiquette or bad reputation is for the ml and the shop, not for the customer ... of course when the customer is a Gentleman.

This has happened to me only 4 times, to have only massage in the session, so when I finished, I gave my feedback to the owners and actually in all cases the owners text me back and thank me for my honest feedback that actually help them to see that these specific ml's were damaging the shop.

respect and common sense needed from both sides, not only from customer side. is 50/50 situation.

[NC3]

This has happened to me several times. Usually it's the young pretty Thai girls asking $150-200. It's ridiculous, but I tell them I ain't rich and I'm on Centrelink. Obviously they laugh since I'm usually well dressed and relatively fit looking, but I'll get FS for $100 extra.

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inclusive rate is wrong for so many reasons.

[Peter69]

I see my regular at Ramsgate & she charges me $180 for FS, I think it’s a bit much but it’s her fee so I don’t sit there and argue or talk her down, I can afford it so I’m sure it helps her as the FS is pretty good

[c1teh9]

I see my regular at Ramsgate & she charges me $180 for FS, I think it’s a bit much but it’s her fee so I don’t sit there and argue or talk her down, I can afford it so I’m sure it helps her as the FS is pretty good

Is it 60 min of FS? If so and you rate her then it's still good value

[Winnerwinter]

I will guess it was Kara or Lucky and they both still work at NS227 and E41 😁

i've been curious about kara, she looks amazing but i can't find reviews. would you recommend her?

[trampslikeus55]

i've been curious about kara, she looks amazing but i can't find reviews. would you recommend her?
Only seen Kara walking to a room so not a help on any experience. There is a review by Woodsy for her at Chill107. Glowing AR and apparently same girl. And she is a bombshell 🔥🔥

[Abcd1325]

$100 for FS with an ML is my absolute ceiling for me.



That wat a 60 minute session is around 150-170.
I don't know why in recent years people are paying $150 on top, those girls most be absolutely hot stuff.

I have only been convinced once to handover $150, and that was with Freya when she was at Merrylands and Top Ryde.
Well worth it.


Which Freya ? Where she work now?

[NC3]

I see my regular at Ramsgate & she charges me $180 for FS, I think it’s a bit much but it’s her fee so I don’t sit there and argue or talk her down, I can afford it so I’m sure it helps her as the FS is pretty good

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-180$ tip for an hour, plus 75$ for the shop so all up 255$ is very close to the maximum who someone can spend in massage shop in my opinion.
-I have few ml's that I see often, for an hour session [ Ginza service] my tip is 180$ to 200$. When I see them for 45min. my tip is 150/160$. and for 30min. my tip is 120$.

-Many people include myself can afford 200$ tip or much more than this, but is all about to don't spoil the field/ml.
- Also, when you talk about the tip in the room, you don't need to argue or talk for ever. It takes 30 seconds to agree or disagree and from there you decide to continue or not.

[woods23]

How much do you guys tip for fs? After it is all done. Price was never mentioned at the start... some ml won't say it, so go with the flow.

[Winnerwinter]

$150 normally, but some shops charge higher for the massage and therefore the FS will be less. i normally wait for them to offer, if i'm really liking it then i'll ask if they do fs. normally that's clarified with the shop prior to booking but i still like to do the dance of asking for the girls permission

[massage addict]

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[massage addict]

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exactly this ... ' but they don't include the already paid $50 NHJ in their price '.
Inclusive rates are so wrong. People need to avoid shops with inclusive rates so the owners will realise that they have to go back to normal set up, 50-65-75.

wrong inclusive rates need to make a come back thats how every single rub and tug used to work. It stops these greedy bitches asking too much for extras.

[11Bravo]

wrong inclusive rates need to make a come back thats how every single rub and tug used to work. It stops these greedy bitches asking too much for extras.
WADR, where did YOU (2nd person plural) go to school?

SYD brothel = BKK MP - fixed service prices
SYD MP = BKK bar - negotiable service prices

The first is like shooting fish in a barrel. The second is for fishermen who enjoy fishing.

If your thing is the first (nothing wrong with it), stay with the MP's elsewhere. But if you've got some game, go for the second, enjoy the sport.

Looking at the other side of the coin (as I always do), why is it

Contractors don't have fixed prices? My shower drain is clogged with hair, my bog is clogged with shit, why isn't it a fixed rate to unclog a DRAIN, regardless of the unpleasantness? The electrician gives a price, start time, then doesn't show. Eventually shows, completes half the work, then disappears (no doubt, better offer). Returns, extra charges due to problems, then leaves the site in disrepair when HIS wiring is finished. WTF - there should be FIXED prices.


For the hourly gents, why don't you tell your boss you'll take a cut in rate, work more hours. Won't you make more in the long run? And certainly be one of the last to be laid-off during slack times.


For the salary types, why don't you make yourself look good to management by foregoing your bonus? You'll be a treasured employee.


Always seems that the workers are the greedy bitches until it comes to a discussion of YOUR work and fees. Just sayin...

Myself, as I've said MANY times, my attitude is, it never hurts to ask. But likewise, I can always politely decline. (Actually reading a book now on how amazing the voice is - much more complicated than I'd ever thought. I'm just thankful I have one that I can use).

BTW: An OTT price is a "get lost" price, that is, the price that she is willing to do YOU for.


How much do you guys tip for fs? After it is all done. Price was never mentioned at the start... some ml won't say it, so go with the flow.
First, point of order: it's not a TIP, it's a SERVICE FEE.

Myself, I never go in without a known price, lessons learned a long time ago (I went to school in bars). I'll ask for a price. If she gives me the "Up to you", I make an offer and have it accepted. It just avoids so many problems. I know what the going rates are, and i KNOW what HER experience is worth to ME. And I'm always looking for regulars, so establishing a fixed fee that is acceptable to both ensures that for future business, the same will be paid and accepted. BTW: Graduated Suma CUM LOUDA...

[NC3]

wrong inclusive rates need to make a come back thats how every single rub and tug used to work. It stops these greedy bitches asking too much for extras.

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inclusive rates are so wrong, and as you can see only 4 or 5 shops in Sydney have this wrong structure.
''' It stops these greedy bitches asking too much for extras''' ... you control the session, so in case the ml is asking for crazy money, you can say no thank you ... and my opinion is, to give your feedback to the owner so greedy ml can change attitude or change job.

I have never paid excessive tips, the customer controls the session 100%.
Rarely has happened to me to meet greedy ml [ my tip is fair and makes sense] and when this happened simply I stopped the session and I had only massage.

[NC3]

How much do you guys tip for fs? After it is all done. Price was never mentioned at the start... some ml won't say it, so go with the flow.

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I have few ml's that I see often, for an hour session [ Ginza service] my tip is 180$. When I see them for 45min. my tip is 150$. and for 30min. my tip is 120$. - Shop rate 50-65-75.

[Sendmetheacti]

Ultimately the model should be because Ginza is probably the highest quality guaranteed sex.

The FS price from any ML should theoretically be LESS THAN GINZA.

$170-200 FOR 30 min fs.
All costs.

If it's higher than that the question becomes why not just go to Ginza.

[11Bravo]

Ultimately the model should be because Ginza is probably the highest quality guaranteed sex.

The FS price from any ML should theoretically be LESS THAN GINZA.

$170-200 FOR 30 min fs.
All costs.

If it's higher than that the question becomes why not just go to Ginza.

Because for just $20-$40 more (above $200), I can have an hour of relaxation and relaxation and NOT feel like I'm just a widget on an assembly line.

[AHLUNGOR]

Massage (for the room and the legit massage): $70-$90/hour

Extras:
Part 2: +$50 NHJ
Part 2.1 +$50 other sexual activities short of penetration, e.g. B2B, oral (probably CBJ but could be BBBJ), Spanish, etc.
Part 3 +$50 FS

Total: $150 SERVICE FEES. There's no "skipping" needed, up to you and the ML as to the speed of the progression. Maybe a little "handsy", followed by some "oral", followed by some "pelvic thrusters" if you've paid "in full".

Each stage is "additive", and includes the lower numbered stages, e.g. $100 should get you a NHJ + oral, but not FS (OK, with some ladies, it will allow you "access" to check her oil with your dipstick).

Grand total, bottom line: $70 to $90 + (SERVICE FEES noted above) = in most cases, $220 to $240/hour for FS


Great summary brother 11Bravo,


Don't think I ever went through what you listed above, usually it's just a straight forward NHJ for $50, I have been lucky enough that over the years, I was getting Spanish most of the time with the minimum tip. Lovely G Cups Emma of DIVA was the first person who wanted more for titty fuck (after she became very popular...haha) but how could I refuse?

Some regular MLs may throw in a bit of free BJ here and there. and on the occasions that I needed a fuck, I just handed over the $100 with the condom and had the works.

There had been a few occasions which I paid $200 for the part 3. The first time was at the Chequers with a super hot Korean girl, first met her with the NHJ all inclusive house fees. She had the most stunning pair of all natural 36 Double D Cups, so I had to fuck her, came back the following week, booked and fucked and $200 was her price.

Then a couple more times when I again just felt that I need to be inside certain MLs and I hated to bargain or be rejected, so I just gave them $200 at the beginning of the session and everyone were happy.


PS. I think there is really no one rule for all, and that's the beauty and evil of RnT vs Brothels. You want something set and guaranteed, you know where to go. When in a RnT shop, you have the choice so is the lady. Of course, most occasions the MLs will just charge to usual "market" prices in fear of losing customers and income, but for those younger and popular ones, don't expect to find too many bargains these days. and TBH, many members here ENJOY the uncertainty and bargaining games too and that's why they go for a massage.

Last but not least, it's a different feel when you are having sex with a WL in a brothel vs a ML in a massage shop. if you don't feel that, you shouldn't be reading this.................lol

Well, well, well, I might as well spell it out:

point 1, in a brothel, anyone can walk in and can fuck any WL with the works. if you go late in the day, your WL could have been fucked more than 10 times and sucked as many cocks. most likely Not the case in a massage shop.

point 2, same as above, but your ML may not offer FS to every customer, BUT YOU (so you think and believe...........lol) and ONLY YOU.....haha - you will love that feelings won't you.

point 3, while fucking in a nice bed in the brothel is great, have sex in a small massage room on a tiny massage table give you a sense of advantage and excitement, no ?

need we go on ?

Cheers


Happy Punting everyone.

[trampslikeus55]

Great summary brother 11Bravo,


Don't think I ever went through what you listed above, usually it's just a straight forward NHJ for $50, I have been lucky enough that over the years, I was getting Spanish most of the time with the minimum tip. Lovely G Cups Emma of DIVA was the first person who wanted more for titty fuck (after she became very popular...haha) but how could I refuse?

Some regular MLs may throw in a bit of free BJ here and there. and on the occasions that I needed a fuck, I just handed over the $100 with the condom and had the works.

There had been a few occasions which I paid $200 for the part 3. The first time was at the Chequers with a super hot Korean girl, first met her with the NHJ all inclusive house fees. She had the most stunning pair of all natural 36 Double D Cups, so I had to fuck her, came back the following week, booked and fucked and $200 was her price.

Then a couple more times when I again just felt that I need to be inside certain MLs and I hated to bargain or be rejected, so I just gave them $200 at the beginning of the session and everyone were happy.


PS. I think there is really no one rule for all, and that's the beauty and evil of RnT vs Brothels. You want something set and guaranteed, you know where to go. When in a RnT shop, you have the choice so is the lady. Of course, most occasions the MLs will just charge to usual "market" prices in fear of losing customers and income, but for those younger and popular ones, don't expect to find too many bargains these days. and TBH, many members here ENJOY the uncertainty and bargaining games too and that's why they go for a massage.

Last but not least, it's a different feel when you are having sex with a WL in a brothel vs a ML in a massage shop. if you don't feel that, you shouldn't be reading this.................lol

Well, well, well, I might as well spell it out:

point 1, in a brothel, anyone can walk in and can fuck any WL with the works. if you go late in the day, your WL could have been fucked more than 10 times and sucked as many cocks. most likely Not the case in a massage shop.

point 2, same as above, but your ML may not offer FS to every customer, BUT YOU (so you think and believe...........lol) and ONLY YOU.....haha - you will love that feelings won't you.

point 3, while fucking in a nice bed in the brothel is great, have sex in a small massage room on a tiny massage table give you a sense of advantage and excitement, no ?

need we go on ?

Cheers


Happy Punting everyone.
You have lived a good life Lungor. The adventures have been real. I think the most important part when partaking in FS, whether a ML or WL, is that you get back as good as you give. Then the money nor the place are that important 😎

[AHLUNGOR]

You have lived a good life Lungor. The adventures have been real. I think the most important part when partaking in FS, whether a ML or WL, is that you get back as good as you give. Then the money nor the place are that important 😎

Well said Bro,


I think personally I have been doing extremely well, punting wise, I'm not really a FS person (too much guilty feeling........lol), except on one of those occasions when the lust and desires overwhelmed the head......haha

While I'm pretty sure there are still lots of gems around in the industry at the moment to be discovered and enjoyed. I just couldn't get over the good old days with the abundance and seemingly endless supply of good quality (BUSTY !!) MLs. From the Golden Era of At Michelles, Chequers, Zanadu, Babylon & 501/532 Newtown to the arrivals of SL, SF, 316, 227 Broadway, QVB, Stanmore, Diva, Sussex Stars, Bellas, Summerviles, Sydney Baby, Pyrmont, 200, Oasis etc. etc.

We are so very lucky.


Cheers

[11Bravo]

The 50/50/50 splits I gave are MY personal CEILINGS, which I've found, in just about all cases, have worked just fine. My experience, Spanish is $100 over and above the massage shop fee, but perhaps I'm just lazy. Several have offered FS for $100 (maybe that's with their senior discount). Others, when responding with "Up to you", I've offered $130 which was readily accepted (I never leave it open ended, lessons learned decades ago).

Full disclosure: both $130's became regulars, and after a number of visits, I UNILATERALLY upped the SERVICE fee to $150. Reward for solid service and loyalty.

MY experience, the initial price you pay will (or should) be the same price for subsequent visits flying the same class. For BOTH parties, if it was accepted once, it should be again. A unilateral decrease on the punter's side can cause problems. Why I NEVER TIP (it's a SERVICE FEE). My tip is repeat business.

As to the good old days... in SYD, couldn't say. But no offense to the Ozboys, SYD is really not one of the world's punting meccas. For me, it's convenient, a sideshow, for when I have other reasons to be here. I've been fortunate to play in a couple of the world's punting meccas, and in their glory days. But I always say, quoting the last line of The Wild Bunch, "It ain't like it used to be, but, ah... it'll do".

https://youtu.be/R6-LDKl3FOs?si=lybG9HHkTu2NNjBO&t=50

That's me, laughing... And if you can't laugh, you're doing something wrong...

[thepoonter]

I've recently been to an RNT and for me personally I still prefer brothel. The reasons being regardless if you book 30min or 1 hour the ML charge a flat rate for FS and can only allow 1 shot. For brothel I can do 2 shots in 1 hour and so it's more bang for my buck, just have to book WL early in their roster so they're fresh

[NC3]

I've recently been to an RNT and for me personally I still prefer brothel. The reasons being regardless if you book 30min or 1 hour the ML charge a flat rate for FS and can only allow 1 shot. For brothel I can do 2 shots in 1 hour and so it's more bang for my buck, just have to book WL early in their roster so they're fresh

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I have few ml's that I see often, for an hour session [ Ginza service] my tip is 180$. When I see them for 45min. my tip is 150$. and for 30min. my tip is 120$. - Shop rate 50-65-75.
Rarely the tip can go 20$ more.

[67chappo]

I see my regular at Ramsgate & she charges me $180 for FS, I think it’s a bit much but it’s her fee so I don’t sit there and argue or talk her down, I can afford it so I’m sure it helps her as the FS is pretty good

So that’s $230 all up?