Phone Number Not Secure at Ginza Empire

[verbatim2]

Visited one of the girls at GE over the weekend. Had a misunderstanding with her that I didn't even know about when I left, but she was obviously put out by it, as I have had texts from her since.

I did not give her my number so either she got it by stealth from the guys at reception, or they gave it to her.

Either way, not cool.

She was a nice girl and was not rude, just a language problem. I'm not going to identify her as I don't want her to suffer reprisal.

But it's worthwhile knowing your number isn't secure when you book at the shop.

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[tcrawford]

What was the misunderstanding?

[MrPB]

No offence, but I think it would be naive to think that the shops don't loosely keep track of your number for bookings.

Either way, I'm also of the opinion that you should elaborate on your story to prevent further misunderstanding to others reading this. No need to name the girl.

[SlippinJimmy]

That was the gae reception boy who wants your tight cheeks

[ironmonk]

Didn't pay for extras? Lol

[Pattyherb]

M8 just contact the management in writing and tell them she is harassing you and block her.

[11Bravo]

Why would you think your number is secure? My GUESS is the booking, with mobile number, is written down in a ledger, either hard- or soft- copy. Pretty easy to gain access, think of some plausible, but bogus, reason. Myself, I want the shop to have my number so they can call me if she can't make the booking... Yes, I know, I'm a dreamer.

Pattyherb has the best advice. YOU can't stop her, MANAGEMENT has a much better shot (pun intended). Like PH says, block her.

[Backdraft69]

I've had girls and shop owners swapping my wechat. No dramas.
No matter what, you can delete or block numbers if things go crazy

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[verbatim2]

For those burning with curiosity; yes the misunderstanding was associated with the amount for a particular extra service that she agreed to.

I understood that we had agreed a price; but it's now clear she thought we had agreed a higher price. She thinks I deliberately deceived her and ripped her off.

I left the extra amount by her things before our shower at the start. After I had left she must have picked it up and seen it was less than she was expecting and got angry.

I don't mind that the shop keeps a record of my phone number. But I do mind that the girl can have it if she wants.

[andrewv]

Keep in mind that the legal arrangement is the girl is self-employed provider of an service, and the establishment is only in the business of providing the room and collecting the girl’s part of the fee as her agent. Legally, sexual services are NOT provided by the owners of shops.

Punters are customers of both the establishment and the girl and they have the right to identify the customer in case of any dispute or risk.

[ditchtheboss]

For those burning with curiosity; yes the misunderstanding was associated with the amount for a particular extra service that she agreed to.

I understood that we had agreed a price; but it's now clear she thought we had agreed a higher place. She thinks I deliberately deceived her and ripped her off.

I left the extra amount by her things before our shower at the start. After I had left she must have picked it up and seen it was less than she was expecting and got angry.

I don't mind that the shop keeps a record of my phone number. But I do mind that the girl can have it if she wants.

There is another perspective to this story that must be considered. What happens in the room is between the client, you, and the service provider. You made a verbal agreement with the service provider that constitutes a contract. It appears that the terms of the contract were not clear. You honoured what you thought was agreed, however she had a different understanding of the terms of the contract.

All the shop did was to enable the service provider to follow up on what she thought was correct.

There is no agreement anywhere that the shop cannot supply our numbers to the service provider particularly under the circumstances you mentioned. Tricky situation for all involved but nothing has been breached as I can see but lots of shades of grey.

I am not affiliated with ginza nor am I defending them. Just trying to be objective.

[ditchtheboss]

Keep in mind that the legal arrangement is the girl is self-employed provider of an service, and the establishment is only in the business of providing the room and collecting the girl’s part of the fee as her agent. Legally, sexual services are NOT provided by the owners of shops.

Punters are customers of both the establishment and the girl and they have the right to identify the customer in case of any dispute or risk.

I hadnt read your comment when I typed move. Seems like we are saying the same thing

[andrewv]

Most smart phones today can accommodate 2 or more numbers, using one hardware (plastic) SIM plus an eSIM or 2 or more eSIM numbers.

You can buy a cheap plan or pre-paid number to use exclusively for punting, making call to book sessions.

This way, your main number used for work, family and friends is never used for punting.
No need for a “burner phone” as an eSIM will do the job.

Most shops and independent girls insist in seeing a number because it provides a sense of safety and also prevents wankers making a booking then not show up.

Girls store punters’ numbers and keep track of which punters are generous and pleasant and which ones are assholes and refuse bookings —

[Meng]

For those burning with curiosity; yes the misunderstanding was associated with the amount for a particular extra service that she agreed to.

I understood that we had agreed a price; but it's now clear she thought we had agreed a higher place. She thinks I deliberately deceived her and ripped her off.

I left the extra amount by her things before our shower at the start. After I had left she must have picked it up and seen it was less than she was expecting and got angry.

I don't mind that the shop keeps a record of my phone number. But I do mind that the girl can have it if she wants.

Hope you didn't pay for bbfscip. Now that she has your number if she gets pregnant you might get a knock for a paternity test lol.

[tcrawford]

I left the extra amount by her things before our shower at the start. After I had left she must have picked it up and seen it was less than she was expecting and got angry.



This sounds dodgy, why not pay the girl at the end directly into her hands so she can count it?

[11Bravo]

This sounds dodgy, why not pay the girl at the end directly into her hands so she can count it?

I'm a bit modest; putting money directly in her hands makes it feel like prostitution :startle:. And I know where THOSE hands have been.

Myself, I'll just put it on the massage table in front of her after, spreading it out a bit so individual pineapples are clear, both to her AND me. You know, REALLY BAD form to, after handing the money to her, realizing that there was unintended extra, snatching it back. For me, that's just a loss and a lesson learned.

[Vader]

I'm a bit modest; putting money directly in her hands makes it feel like prostitution :startle:. And I know where THOSE hands have been.

Myself, I'll just put it on the massage table in front of her after, spreading it out a bit so individual pineapples are clear, both to her AND me. You know, REALLY BAD form to, after handing the money to her, realizing that there was unintended extra, snatching it back. For me, that's just a loss and a lesson learned.

Can you please spend less time on here and invest in a TAFE course and learn how to write.

[278club]

Hi, just want to clear things out Ginza management never ever give out customers contact details from DAY 1.
It’s impossible. Had no this kind of issues at all. If you're concerned about your privacy please come talk to us or give us a call, we will look into it. Once again we never ever share customers details with our girls

[verbatim2]

"This sounds dodgy, why not pay the girl at the end directly into her hands so she can count it? "

Not dodgy at all.

I wouldn't ask the girl to wait until the end to see cash for extra service. If I did that, I think it would be reasonable for the girl to suspect I didn't intend honoring the agreement and paying for the extra.

Showing the cash and putting it by her things at the start of the session is much more above board. She could have checked the amount any time she wanted to.

I'll confess, I was surprised she didn't do that before we started.

[verbatim2]

Hi, just want to clear things out Ginza management never ever give out customers contact details from DAY 1.
It’s impossible. Had no this kind of issues at all. If you're concerned about your privacy please come talk to us or give us a call, we will look into it. Once again we never ever share customers details with our girls

I appreciate your offer, but I am not going to risk reprisal against the girl. She feels wronged, and I will not worsen that by putting her at risk from sanction by the shop.

If what you say is true, then the girl got the number by stealth. It follows that you need to review your protocols intended to prevent the girls on the roster from accessing punter contact details.

They did not work !

[woodland]

I have a feeling it’s not one of the Japanese girls

[andrewv]

I appreciate your offer, but I am not going to risk reprisal against the girl. She feels wronged, and I will not worsen that by putting her at risk from sanction by the shop.

If what you say is true, then the girl got the number by stealth. It follows that you need to review your protocols intended to prevent the girls on the roster from accessing punter contact details.

They did not work !

For god's sake, what is the amount the girl is claiming you underpaid? No doubt it is $50 to $100. If it were me, I would just fucking go and pay it, even as a tip and if I were 100% sure I paid the full agreed price. Why are you making such a shit drama about this. These girls are giving us services using their bodies, something 99% of women would not do free or paid...... Get on with it. Pay up even if you think you're 100% right.

As for playing detective Sherlock Holmes about your phone number. I think the girls have the right to track the client. You are already tracked when you make a booking and via security cameras on site when you go to the shops. To claim that the business owners/managers can have your number but not the girl is a little bit thin.

[wilisno]

Visited one of the girls at GE over the weekend. Had a misunderstanding with her that I didn't even know about when I left, but she was obviously put out by it, as I have had texts from her since.

I did not give her my number so either she got it by stealth from the guys at reception, or they gave it to her.

Either way, not cool.

She was a nice girl and was not rude, just a language problem. I'm not going to identify her as I don't want her to suffer reprisal.

But it's worthwhile knowing your number isn't secure when you book at the shop.

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Since you’re in communication with the girl, you’ve got her number by now, wouldn’t it be easier just to ask her where she got your number from instead of blaming the shop ?

You’ll be surprised how she got it, may even be from your tight-knit Korean community…..

[Punt2Win]

Since you’re in communication with the girl, you’ve got her number by now, wouldn’t it be easier just to ask her where she got your number from instead of blaming the shop ?

You’ll be surprised how she got it, may even be from your tight-knit Korean community…..

Exactly !!! If it were me the first thing I'd do is message back "How did you get my number?". Not go on a public forum and put it to the punters and bring the shop into it. Making mountains of mole hills and all that.

andreww also made a great point about how on the balance of everything, throw a tip her way dude. She just used her body to pleasure you for an hour, it's not like she sold you an overpriced mobile phone. If you're pissed about it just don't book her again. You paid an extra 50 or 100 for intel, that's all.

[CantCme]

What's so difficult for you lames to understand the guy doesn't want an angry whore having his personal number. If he sneakily got her number and msgd her you homos would be screaming to lock him up

[Pattyherb]

What's so difficult for you lames to understand the guy doesn't want an angry whore having his personal number. If he sneakily got her number and msgd her you homos would be screaming to lock him up

100% I don't get these guys either

[Folcis]

For god's sake, what is the amount the girl is claiming you underpaid? No doubt it is $50 to $100.

My approach is generally to pay it but then never see that girl again.

[Boomer77]

What's so difficult for you lames to understand the guy doesn't want an angry whore having his personal number. If he sneakily got her number and msgd her you homos would be screaming to lock him up

Wouldn’t it be easier to just not respond and block the number? Or respond back with “Who is this and I think you’ve got the wrong number, my name is Apu Nahasapeemapetilon…”

[11Bravo]

OK, the OP posted about non-secure numbers. For some, that might be a big deal. Myself, I'd be more worried that she'd spread the word amongst her colleagues that I'd ripped her off. You think this forum passes intel... Good rep, bad rep... those can stick.

What I'm a bit baffled with is the initial cause was suggested to be a language barrier. So if it's SMS messaging... I'm not aware that that has a built-in translation function like WeChat. So same nationality as OP? IF that's the case... Ex-pats do tend to hang with their own ethnic group and some groups are surprisingly tight (e.g. the 'No my nationality' signs). But then why the misunderstanding? Or, put another way, WHO's sending the messages? OP using on-board translation app? And how does the OP know they're from the girl? How does he know her number?

Simple solution is to send an apology (she obviously feels she's lost face), and, possibly offer the misunderstood amount. Specific problem solved.

As to the original warning? Dual sim, e-sim... stop punting. There is ALWAYS a solution. :smile:

[andrewv]

The OP didn't understand that sometimes in life, you have to take the hit and move on by paying up, even if the other party is wrong, especially when the amount is small. It is not exactly his ex-wife asking for 80% of the house.

There was no cost/benefit analysis there.

The girl just wanted $$$ to the amount she felt short-changed by, and I am 100% sure she is not interested in invading his privacy/security/confidentiality/ etc. etc. etc.

[Costy]

A few years ago I got a text message from a WL sent to me by mistake. At the time I was concerned where it came from but I assume she thought I was a random phone number as I just replied with I hope he had a good time 🤣 I didn’t get a response.
I’ve only swapped numbers with 1 WL but this message was before that.

[verbatim2]

Some weird responses to this thread have emerged. I'll bring it back to my original point, which relates to the reason this forum exists - to share information.

I want the forum users to be aware that if they use Ginza Empire services, then whether Ginza condones it or not, their mobile number can be accessed by any motivated girl.
As it turns out, I don't think they should be able to, and some contributors think differently.
That doesn't really matter, what I am sharing for with forum users is what I've learned, which is that, in practice, their number can be accessed by the girls they see.

For the dimmer readers who are still struggling with details of what happened and why:
- if I had any inkling of the misunderstanding on the day, I probably would have just paid the gap. But I only found out from the text message the next day. Perhaps I pre-judge, but I suspect that if I offered to meet her outside the shop to pay the difference, she wouldn't agree to meet.
- I attempted to use a translator to communicate with her, but the girl in question said she understood English well enough that we could just talk. As it turns out, that was overconfidence on her part.

I'll reserve my main criticism for Willsno who seems to be an absolute racist twat. I'm not Korean; not even close. You're an idiot.

This will be my last contribution to this thread.

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[critical brain mass]

Not related but kinda. My biggest peeve is shops sending texts randomly with the days roster or photos of their newest girls. Like fuck mate I don’t remember signing up to your brothel newsletter.

[Meng]

Some weird responses to this thread have emerged. I'll bring it back to my original point, which relates to the reason this forum exists - to share information.

I want the forum users to be aware that if they use Ginza Empire services, then whether Ginza condones it or not, their mobile number can be accessed by any motivated girl.
As it turns out, I don't think they should be able to, and some contributors think differently.
That doesn't really matter, what I am sharing for with forum users is what I've learned, which is that, in practice, their number can be accessed by the girls they see.

For the dimmer readers who are still struggling with details of what happened and why:
- if I had any inkling of the misunderstanding on the day, I probably would have just paid the gap. But I only found out from the text message the next day. Perhaps I pre-judge, but I suspect that if I offered to meet her outside the shop to pay the difference, she wouldn't agree to meet.
- I attempted to use a translator to communicate with her, but the girl in question said she understood English well enough that we could just talk. As it turns out, that was overconfidence on her part.

I'll reserve my main criticism for Willsno who seems to be an absolute racist twat. I'm not Korean; not even close. You're an idiot.

This will be my last contribution to this thread.

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Did you reply to her texts? What did she say when you asked her how she got your number? Did she say the shop gave it to her?

[tcrawford]

For the dimmer readers who are still struggling with details of what happened and why:


It's not that we are dim, it's just that we don't have all the information and weren't there so we are piecing the information together.

Who is dim is you to be surprised that she got your number. They still take bookings with pen and paper, she simply can walk to front desk and look at the booking number in the time slot. It's not hard to figure that out, don't even need to start a thread about it.

[wilisno]

Some weird responses to this thread have emerged. I'll bring it back to my original point, which relates to the reason this forum exists - to share information.

I want the forum users to be aware that if they use Ginza Empire services, then whether Ginza condones it or not, their mobile number can be accessed by any motivated girl.
As it turns out, I don't think they should be able to, and some contributors think differently.
That doesn't really matter, what I am sharing for with forum users is what I've learned, which is that, in practice, their number can be accessed by the girls they see.

For the dimmer readers who are still struggling with details of what happened and why:
- if I had any inkling of the misunderstanding on the day, I probably would have just paid the gap. But I only found out from the text message the next day. Perhaps I pre-judge, but I suspect that if I offered to meet her outside the shop to pay the difference, she wouldn't agree to meet.
- I attempted to use a translator to communicate with her, but the girl in question said she understood English well enough that we could just talk. As it turns out, that was overconfidence on her part.

I'll reserve my main criticism for Willsno who seems to be an absolute racist twat. I'm not Korean; not even close. You're an idiot.

This will be my last contribution to this thread.

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I’ll let it go this time, it’s better be your last post on this thread.

There’s nothing racist about my comment, simply stating the fact why Korean girls don’t want to see Korean, not that there’s anything wrong with Korean. If you’re not Korean, then then whom am I being racist against ?