Problems with No5 Marrickville bookings

[2000BahtLongTime]

I just thought I would start a separate thread. As seems like I am not the only one having problems with bookings at No5 Marrickville. And to an extent 42 sometimes as well

A few brother's have posted similar issues.

as I said in my last post in another thread

Ginza is more transparent with their bookings. Ginza runs a tight ship with their bookings and very professional about it. So far, my bookings have been 100% with Ginza with no problems. And with Ginza, even if I book the night before. I am guaranteed to see that same girl I booked, at the exact time I booked her for the next day. With no problems

My personal experience.
Alot of times, No5 bullshits you around with the bookings and flat out lies to you too. Bookings get messed up. One time I arrived, and the girl I booked maybe preferred to see Asian customers/or did not want to see certain races. Or for whatever reason. Who knows....They told me "She sick today. Sorry, she cancelled today" when she was clearly there working as I saw her in the corridor..... 555


They will lose alot of customers to their rival shops if they keep this up and keep messing around their customer's bookings

Talk about unethical booking practices & lying to their own customers 555

Don't know if other brother's here had similar experience as me..

[Wank_Somemore]

I haven't had stuff ups yet but they are real slow at answering booking requests via WeChat or SMS. They have lost me a few times. After waiting an hour without a response, I book elsewhere and tell them to ignore my original request. When Sara or Jacinta was around, they responded so quick but I haven't seen them around lately so I guess they're not there anymore? But also I've only started going again in last Dec.

[andrewv]

what is the 555. Is that a swear word or some new code for something?

[1inchguy]

Never had any real issues from No5 via wechat.
I have experience cancellation eg I book ahead of time but few hours late they message me saying girl not feeling well or something and offer to see someone else.
I dont think much of it nor take it personally.
And these girls are first time seeing them aswell.
However I have experience maybe long wait times like 10-15min wait in the room...

Sounds like your ego for bruised and thought they cancel upon seeing you. Maybe or maybe not. The world doesn't revolve around you.
If girl cancels. See someone else

[Rub101]

I haven't had any issues with n5m booking. Though I dont go to the shop as often as I used to, I never had a booking cancelled when I rocked up. Response times have always been fast for me. I am asian tho fwiw

[FIFO]

I just thought I would start a separate thread. As seems like I am not the only one having problems with bookings at No5 Marrickville. And to an extent 42 sometimes as well

A few brother's have posted similar issues.

as I said in my last post in another thread

Ginza is more transparent with their bookings. Ginza runs a tight ship with their bookings and very professional about it. So far, my bookings have been 100% with Ginza with no problems. And with Ginza, even if I book the night before. I am guaranteed to see that same girl I booked, at the exact time I booked her for the next day. With no problems

My personal experience.
Alot of times, No5 bullshits you around with the bookings and flat out lies to you too. Bookings get messed up. One time I arrived, and the girl I booked maybe preferred to see Asian customers/or did not want to see certain races. Or for whatever reason. Who knows....They told me "She sick today. Sorry, she cancelled today" when she was clearly there working as I saw her in the corridor..... 555


They will lose alot of customers to their rival shops if they keep this up and keep messing around their customer's bookings

Talk about unethical booking practices & lying to their own customers 555

Don't know if other brother's here had similar experience as me..

I'll start off by saying this outright so people know my stance, this may seem like I'm defending n5m/42g but I'm really not. I think n5m/42g is so far inferior to Ginza, I see no reason for me to visit these establishments anymore.

I was never a n5m regular but once upon a time I was a weekly regular at 42g for a very long time. 42g has a setup where the girls can see the punters in those waiting cubicles from the girls waiting room, this is so girls can see the punter before the punter can see them. The obvious reason for this setup is so girls can avoid any friends/people they know in their day-to-day lives, or just punters they don't want to see for whatever reason.

Now I'd assume n5m would also have the same system (i'm assuming as i've never got close enough to any girls that works in n5m to confirm). Tbh, i think any reputable shop should have the same system, Ginza Empire has the same system too, it's completely up to the girl to come out to join the line-up or not.

So to play devil's advocate, since you said you saw the girl you booked in the corridor, i see 3 reasons why the situation you described could have happened.

The girl actually felt sick and wanted to go home right after the punter before you and cancelled (you were just unlucky)
Reception accidentally double booked and made a random excuse, it happens, even Ginza does this sometimes (although very rarely)
As you described, the girl saw you and didn't want to see you for whatever reason/she shadow banned you from seeing her and told the reception. The reception, didn't want to hurt your feelings said she cancelled because she is sick


Again, i'm just playing devils advocate here, i don't actually know what happened but i find it unlikely it was some sort of unethical booking practice ( I do believe some shops do this, but prob not n5m).

"Never attribute to malice that which can be adequately explained by stupidity"

[FangShoe]

I just thought I would start a separate thread. As seems like I am not the only one having problems with bookings at No5 Marrickville. And to an extent 42 sometimes as well

A few brother's have posted similar issues.

as I said in my last post in another thread

Ginza is more transparent with their bookings. Ginza runs a tight ship with their bookings and very professional about it. So far, my bookings have been 100% with Ginza with no problems. And with Ginza, even if I book the night before. I am guaranteed to see that same girl I booked, at the exact time I booked her for the next day. With no problems

My personal experience.
Alot of times, No5 bullshits you around with the bookings and flat out lies to you too. Bookings get messed up. One time I arrived, and the girl I booked maybe preferred to see Asian customers/or did not want to see certain races. Or for whatever reason. Who knows....They told me "She sick today. Sorry, she cancelled today" when she was clearly there working as I saw her in the corridor..... 555


They will lose alot of customers to their rival shops if they keep this up and keep messing around their customer's bookings

Talk about unethical booking practices & lying to their own customers 555

Don't know if other brother's here had similar experience as me..


Look I’ll be honest and say I’ve had one possibly two girls decline a round two but that was because I was too much for her. Some women of their own volition call me a stallion so I can understand the any reason for rejection and quite frankly I should really book a minimum of two girls when I do go to Ginza or the sex won’t be enough.

Perhaps you 2000baht are in the same category?

Having women take pictures of your manhood to show around to their friends or tell you “they’re the biggest balls they’ve ever seen” or simply stating its a minimum two girl requirement if they’re to see me again. Maybe you 2000baht have the other same problem that I do, that anal is suggested but never ever given. Reading reviews here about guys getting anal with the same girls I punt only for me to be told “next time” when I ask. Next time, next time, next time equals never time and yeah I’ve offered a lot of money but still been declined.

Try walking down the street with something large between your legs, some days it’s an inconvenience.

Who knows why women decline you? I’m only telling you the problems I have.

Just accept and move on.

[vitamin]

what is the 555. Is that a swear word or some new code for something?

555 in Chinese means crying. wuwuwu
In Thai it means laughing. hahaha

it's the way 5 is pronounced.

Since he seems to be a Thai guy. I'm assuming it's HAHAHA

[username1]

No offense, but if your booking has been messed/cancelled for over 50% of the time which you said in a different thread, why don't you just stop visiting?

[FIFO]

555 in Chinese means crying. wuwuwu
In Thai it means laughing. hahaha

it's the way 5 is pronounced.

Since he seems to be a Thai guy. I'm assuming it's HAHAHA

Holy crap i only just realised 555 is wuwuwu in mandarin HAHAHAHA (i had no idea this means crying, i guess it makes sense)

My mandarin is pretty bad but i know how to count to 10!

[GuitarJost]

Haven’t had slow communication or cancellation problems with either, although I’m no stallion! In my personal experience my wait times even though I’ve booked tend to be longer at Ginza if anything.

[holi_day]

You saw the girl at the counter doesn't mean she is fit and well to service.

She might be hurt by a rough customer prior, period just came or even just in bad mood.

It's much better they cancell you than force the girl to work, which will only leave you and the girl bad experience.

[DueNorth]

I just thought I would start a separate thread. As seems like I am not the only one having problems with bookings at No5 Marrickville. And to an extent 42 sometimes as well

A few brother's have posted similar issues.

as I said in my last post in another thread

Ginza is more transparent with their bookings. Ginza runs a tight ship with their bookings and very professional about it. So far, my bookings have been 100% with Ginza with no problems. And with Ginza, even if I book the night before. I am guaranteed to see that same girl I booked, at the exact time I booked her for the next day. With no problems

My personal experience.
Alot of times, No5 bullshits you around with the bookings and flat out lies to you too. Bookings get messed up. One time I arrived, and the girl I booked maybe preferred to see Asian customers/or did not want to see certain races. Or for whatever reason. Who knows....They told me "She sick today. Sorry, she cancelled today" when she was clearly there working as I saw her in the corridor..... 555


They will lose alot of customers to their rival shops if they keep this up and keep messing around their customer's bookings

Talk about unethical booking practices & lying to their own customers 555

Don't know if other brother's here had similar experience as me..
With respect girls are usually given the opportunity to view the customer on CCTV. For various reasons they may refuse a customer. Race, body weight or reputation. I guess if I was a WL I would insist on this right as an independent operator. Or maybe as you said they fucked up at No 5 and with a roster of 20 odd girls a day that is understandable.

[2000BahtLongTime]

Never had any real issues from No5 via wechat.
I have experience cancellation eg I book ahead of time but few hours late they message me saying girl not feeling well or something and offer to see someone else.
I dont think much of it nor take it personally.
And these girls are first time seeing them aswell.
However I have experience maybe long wait times like 10-15min wait in the room...

Sounds like your ego for bruised and thought they cancel upon seeing you. Maybe or maybe not. The world doesn't revolve around you.
If girl cancels. See someone else
Its not about ego. Its just basic customer service. Who would lie about a girl cancelling, being sick and not coming into work. When she is clearly there working

By the way, when you got that cancellation, it may not be 100% true.


You saw the girl at the counter doesn't mean she is fit and well to service.

She might be hurt by a rough customer prior, period just came or even just in bad mood.

It's much better they cancell you than force the girl to work, which will only leave you and the girl bad experience.
No, she was dressed up & she was clearly working. Towards end of corridor near the waiting rooms are, I saw her, she was either getting or putting away bedsheets and towels.

I think thats where they stock the bed sheets/towels

[2000BahtLongTime]

Look I’ll be honest and say I’ve had one possibly two girls decline a round two but that was because I was too much for her. Some women of their own volition call me a stallion so I can understand the any reason for rejection and quite frankly I should really book a minimum of two girls when I do go to Ginza or the sex won’t be enough.

Perhaps you 2000baht are in the same category?

Having women take pictures of your manhood to show around to their friends or tell you “they’re the biggest balls they’ve ever seen” or simply stating its a minimum two girl requirement if they’re to see me again. Maybe you 2000baht have the other same problem that I do, that anal is suggested but never ever given. Reading reviews here about guys getting anal with the same girls I punt only for me to be told “next time” when I ask. Next time, next time, next time equals never time and yeah I’ve offered a lot of money but still been declined.

Try walking down the street with something large between your legs, some days it’s an inconvenience.

Who knows why women decline you? I’m only telling you the problems I have.

Just accept and move on.

It may well be a size issue. Who knows... Although they never actually tell you what the problem is

Its happened so many times now. One time, last year, I was already on the way there. Then they texted me that "Sorry, she cancelled today" and she is not working. This is a regular C or V girl I think, that I regularly see.

I came later in evening and did a line-up instead. Ended up going with one of the Thai girls.

Then I ran into the girl that they said "cancelled" her shift. She was working...

So they clearly lie to you. And maybe the girl just doesn't want to see you.

I'm probably the first punter on here who is calling out No5 about this unethical and dishonest practice

They know they're doing it...

[FangShoe]

I’m of the opinion that there can be any number of reasons why they don’t want to see a customer on the day. The shop expected everything to be ok and then at the last minute it wasn’t.

It’s no use overthinking (which I’m prone to doing) and YMMV applies to every punter. There are so many women out there and shops it’s forget that one and take the next one.

[sleepy57]

Number 5 in thai is ha.
So 555 is ha ha ha

[minimaleffort]

I’ve only been once so clearly not a large enough sample size, but here’s my experience. Booking via WeChat the day before was easy, responsive and accommodating, no problems there. Next day morning they messaged and started asking if I could come earlier which I couldn’t do due to work commitments, but no problem I have no issue with the asking. My issue was when I got there and they told me that my booking was 30 minutes, when I insisted that I booked 45 mins they kept basically calling me a liar, I had to bring out my phone and show them their own messages. Far from impressed in what was my only visit to date. YMMV

[11Bravo]

Sounds like your ego for bruised and thought they cancel upon seeing you. Maybe or maybe not. The world doesn't revolve around you.
AKA Center of the Universe syndrome.


Look I’ll be honest and say I’ve had one possibly two girls decline a round two but that was because I was too much for her. Some women of their own volition call me a stallion so I can understand the any reason for rejection and quite frankly I should really book a minimum of two girls when I do go to Ginza or the sex won’t be enough.

Perhaps you 2000baht are in the same category?

Having women take pictures of your manhood to show around to their friends or tell you “they’re the biggest balls they’ve ever seen” or simply stating its a minimum two girl requirement if they’re to see me again. Maybe you 2000baht have the other same problem that I do, that anal is suggested but never ever given. Reading reviews here about guys getting anal with the same girls I punt only for me to be told “next time” when I ask. Next time, next time, next time equals never time and yeah I’ve offered a lot of money but still been declined.

Try walking down the street with something large between your legs, some days it’s an inconvenience.

Who knows why women decline you? I’m only telling you the problems I have.

Just accept and move on.

Ah Vinnie, Vinnie, Vinnie... "as by the claw [we recognize] the lion". How you pronounce lion is up to the individual... Couldn't resist. :smile:

Yes, we agree on the "move on" - I always figure she's doing me a favor, saving me money and time. Who wants to be in a room with someone who doesn't want to be there with you? That DEFINES a bad punt...

[ergoproxy]

I’ve never had problems with my bookings, yet. I’ve been a frequent visitor for the last 4 years? Although not as much now (I used to go every 2 weeks).

I’ve had a cancellation once, when I booked one girl 2 days in advanced. Yes, I ask when they’re working days in advanced. The comms are great on my end - they ask if I can come in early. They tell me to come in a bit later as no rooms available etc.

That’s my experience with them so far.

[Viktorius69]

I never had an issue there but I noticed they added a lot of new staff when I've gone back so the transition might always have some friction. I actually had more booking & delay issues when I started going to Ginza, some girls cancelled, one time I had to wait 40min, etc, probably my luck at the beginning . But it's Much better now

[FangShoe]

"as by the claw [we recognize] the lion". How you pronounce lion is up to the individual... Couldn't resist. :smile:



I prefer “by their fruits so shall you know them”, but as with everything I say, it’s factual.

Perhaps the receptionist was new and didn’t know the ropes or all the girls by name? Took a phone booking and double booked by accident? I don’t remember every providers name, do you?

Once during a fivesome one of the girls started bleeding. So it was let her have a shower, have a rest, and later on she participated in other ways. But it was her call, not mine. Maybe she canned the next customer or even went home afterwards. Who knows?

Spend enough time punting and anything can and does happen.

[11Bravo]

I don’t remember every providers name, do you?What are you, bush league? :startle:

Names are easy. Too easy to have duplicates. When you play in the majors, by experience: Spreadsheet with name, place where met, contact number, and link to digital photo.:cool2:

You can't tell the players without a program.

[username1]

I never had an issue there but I noticed they added a lot of new staff when I've gone back so the transition might always have some friction. I actually had more booking & delay issues when I started going to Ginza, some girls cancelled, one time I had to wait 40min, etc, probably my luck at the beginning . But it's Much better now

Agreed, I only got cancelled once as they told me the girl's pussy was hurt and had to go home - they messaged me 2 hours before the booking which was enough. A while ago I saw the same girl in Ginza and after she moved to n5m, but I had to wait 30 min in Ginza (past booking time) whereas I didn't in n5m. I think both shops are just as good and easy to make bookings/communicate in my experience.

OP said his bookings were at least 50% times messed/cancelled in other threads - I feel like what the other guy said above is probably happening to OP (some girls banned him but reception forgot till he got there/he was unlucky and girls wanted to cancel and go home JUST before his booking) as that seems way too frequent.

No offense but calling them unethical seems a bit too far, as it seems like other punters aren't having too much issues. I guess any shops can make mistakes..

The new receptions does seem in a bit of rush at times when it gets really busy there (sometimes all rooms are full and have to wait a bit) but they're quite accomodating, especially the young Japanese lady.

[2000BahtLongTime]

I'll start off by saying this outright so people know my stance, this may seem like I'm defending n5m/42g but I'm really not. I think n5m/42g is so far inferior to Ginza, I see no reason for me to visit these establishments anymore.


So to play devil's advocate, since you said you saw the girl you booked in the corridor, i see 3 reasons why the situation you described could have happened.

The girl actually felt sick and wanted to go home right after the punter before you and cancelled (you were just unlucky)
Reception accidentally double booked and made a random excuse, it happens, even Ginza does this sometimes (although very rarely)
As you described, the girl saw you and didn't want to see you for whatever reason/she shadow banned you from seeing her and told the reception. The reception, didn't want to hurt your feelings said she cancelled because she is sick


Again, i'm just playing devils advocate here, i don't actually know what happened but i find it unlikely it was some sort of unethical booking practice ( I do believe some shops do this, but prob not n5m).

"Never attribute to malice that which can be adequately explained by stupidity"

I just go whichever shop gives me good service and has girls who also give good service.

I don't have a favourite shop. I just have "Interests"

As an Australian, assuming No5 is a legitimate Australian Business operating in our country, one would expect them to operate with the level of Ethical Business Practice & Code of Conduct expected by Australians.

So if there is a screw up or a mistake with the bookings, I was expecting some transparency and an honest explanation. I do not want compensation (this is not about money, its about time. And its about wasting customer's time).

As alot of customers/punters may have planned around their bookings. Planned around their work schedule. Then to suddenly cancel bookings. Sometimes they cancel within the hour of your booking. Just because a girl changes her mind or doesn't want to see customers.

Instead you just get a "Sorry, she cancelled" text.

Whether she did cancel her shift or doesn't want to see customers, at least should explain that. And the reason. At least can try to resolve the issue or just book another girl.

[username1]

I just go whichever shop gives me good service and has girls who also give good service.

I don't have a favourite shop. I just have "Interests"

As an Australian, assuming No5 is a legitimate Australian Business operating in our country, one would expect them to operate with the level of Ethical Business Practice & Code of Conduct expected by Australians.

So if there is a screw up or a mistake with the bookings, I was expecting some transparency and an honest explanation. I do not want compensation (this is not about money, its about time. And its about wasting customer's time).

As alot of customers/punters may have planned around their bookings. Planned around their work schedule. Then to suddenly cancel bookings. Sometimes they cancel within the hour of your booking. Just because a girl changes her mind or doesn't want to see customers.

Instead you just get a "Sorry, she cancelled" text.

Whether she did cancel her shift or doesn't want to see customers, at least should explain that. And the reason. At least can try to resolve the issue or just book another girl.

Seems like you personally dislike n5m a lot due to your experiences. Maybe you should just move on and stop going there as your bookings has been messed more than 50% of the times (and n5m loses business like you said/want).

Sometimes the shops do not want to tell specific reason girl cancelled or why they banned you because the girl doesn't want it to be known (so there are times where you just get "shes fully booked" everytime you try to book a girl instead of "she doesn't want to see you anymore" lol). And I have been asked if I want to book other girls when I have been cancelled on (and one time got a discount as there was some issue) - so I never felt like they were trying to dog me at least. Although I do think Ginza takes more effort to make it up for you if something happens generally (especially when you had a dud punt they fully listen and try to solve it for you).

If you feel that N5M is very unethical, you can file a report? If you translate posts on Catchgod, there are many dodgy/unethical stuff happening in other shops, even in the really big/popular ones. I'm not sure if you are unaware of that or you just really dislike N5m personally. One thing is n5m should take feedbacks like Ginza does, usually they just ask you "everything okay?" at the end instead of a detailed feedback (they do listen if you have a complaint though) like Ginza does - I even found out about this forum recently from Ginza receptions. As I would usually just say "yeah good" before heading out even if it was a mediocre session.

But I agree that this is about time, not money, and it made you feel disrespected. At least on the bright side the girl prevented you from having a dud punt by cancelling instead of forcing the session lol.

[2000BahtLongTime]

Its not personal. For the other 50% bookings that do go through, its otherwise a good experience

I don't know exactly what happens why some bookings are messed up or cancelled. I can just speak from what I saw. Maybe sometimes the girl is genuinely not there or sometimes she just does not want to see a customer

I have drawn a conclusion that No5 Marrickville seems to have lost control. Its the girls that are running the show there. And alot of girls seems to pick & choose. And refuse to see customers...

I respect that a girl has a right to choose who she wants to see. Lets get that out of the way...

But what is the point of a girl working there if she refuses to see customers. She is just wasting her time, the shops time and wasting space there... and bad for the shops image and reputation too

Girls at No5 seem to have developed a "Princess Syndrome" there. Where they pick and choose who to give good service to, and who they want to see...

All my bookings with Ginza have been 100%.

Ginza would not tolerate this bullshit bad behaviour from girls. They would re-train & improve their girls. And Ginza would fire girls who constantly behave badly, get complaints from customers and refuses to see their customers for no good reason. As its bad for their name, image and reputation. This is why Ginza will & always will be better than No5/42.

No5 doesn't seem to be addressing any feedback or complaints from their customers. And if you complain, they never actually look into it or get back to you. Ginza on the other hand prioritises and puts their customers first.


I'm not the only one it has happened to. If you read previous threads, happens to alot of other brothers & customers too. Girls at No5 refusing to see customers for no good reason


http://www.aus99forum.com/showthread.php?60533-poor-management-Aika-and-Kiko-moodswing&p=898411#post898411

[badone]

never had a problem , actually they have been very helpful and accommodating ,

[username1]

I've seen others punters on this forum receive a discount for bad service from N5M when they complained and myself got discount once because there was some issue some time ago.

Maybe some girls banned OP as it seems like other punters didn't face as much issue as the OP. You said no good reason, but we will never know unless we hear from the girl directly.

That thread is literally from 2016 and N5M is still in business... (I had to wait sometimes as all rooms were full) I guess good for them if they do what they want and it still works. If you don't like the way they run, I guess it's best to stop wasting your precious time and money on N5M and go elsewhere.

You can read multiple complaints for all the popular shops on here. It's not just N5M. I encountered same, if not more, issues in other popular big shops as well. Translate Catchgod posts and there are many info out there..

Not trying to defend N5M and I agree Ginza does a better job when it comes to accomodating customers, but honestly any shops I have been to had "unethical" issues like you say. IMHO just move on and let N5M lose your valuable money and time.

[Viktorius69]

Isudbdyejeueiwke

[11Bravo]

Its not personal. For the other 50% bookings that do go through, its otherwise a good experience
Myself, I don't care how good the restaurant is, how good the cooks are. If they're screwing up 50% of my orders, I'll eat elsewhere. No problem. Besides, I like the roadside cafes, not the Michelin star places; hate crowds. I just prefer those Mom & Pop places - there's a pun in there somewhere.


I have drawn a conclusion that No5 Marrickville seems to have lost control. Its the girls that are running the show there. And alot of girls seems to pick & choose. And refuse to see customers...Oh my God, WHAT heresy is this!?!? The employees have a say in how the business operates. Bring in the goon squad - or maybe they're there already, the ones that are having all the troubles...


I respect that a girl has a right to choose who she wants to see. Lets get that out of the way...Well, thank God for that, but it DOES sound a bit like lip service... Certainly seems to be a lot of "refusing to see customers" in the post... There's that outright entitlement, and then there's that tinge of entitlement.


But what is the point of a girl working there if she refuses to see customers. She is just wasting her time, the shops time and wasting space there... and bad for the shops image and reputation tooHer time, seems to me, how she uses it is up to her. It seems, for some, the concept of "not worth it to me" (she was, oh my God, 27, had to pass), might be the same the other side of the coin; not worth it.

And if she's not seeing customers, how is she wasting the shop's "space and time" (damn, snuck in some science speak there); she's not occupying an operating room, it's still available for other extractions.

My GUESS is a shop makes a calculation as to her earning's contribution in total, not for each customer (as in can alienate come customers while landing others). Even if she was drawing a base salary, if she's not bringing in more than that base, I'm sure the shop's not carrying her out of charity. Maybe she does the laundry...


Girls at No5 seem to have developed a "Princess Syndrome" there. Where they pick and choose who to give good service to, and who they want to see...Princess? OMG. Seems some other royalty is offended by those upstarts...


Ginza would not tolerate this bullshit bad behaviour from girls. They would re-train & improve their girls. And Ginza would fire girls who constantly behave badly, get complaints from customers and refuses to see their customers for no good reason. As its bad for their name, image and reputation. This is why Ginza will & always will be better than No5/42. Right - send them for re-education. Nooo Maasa Baht, nooo Maasaa baht, not the woodshed...

Solution, to me, anyway, is pretty simple (just like myself): Shop at Ginza, not at No5. Would that be "no on 5", or "#5, you #10"...


No5 doesn't seem to be addressing any feedback or complaints from their customers. And if you complain, they never actually look into it or get back to you.Hmmm, that might also just be saying something about that customer's worth to that shop. Or they're too busy processing satisfied customers.


I'm not the only one it has happened to. If you read previous threads, happens to alot of other brothers & customers too. Girls at No5 refusing to see customers for no good reasonRefusing for no good reason? Seems a perfectly good reason to me: she doesn't want to. No better reason than that. She IS the FINAL arbitrator, after all.

BTW: by your handle, can I assume you've been to Thermae? What do you do when a girl won't talk to you? Complain to the bartender, "Throw that uppity no-good out!!! I'm a customer here, and she won't handle my business. She's taking up YOUR space and time (more science talk) in a way that doesn't suit ME. Or in any Nana or Soi Cowboy bar? That dancer is NOT earning bar-fines for you (well, let's be honest, the bar-fine you'd pay), you should chuck her out. Yea, those FL's can be so frustrating, bringing gods (lowercase G) down to earth. Frustrating. The gnashing of teeth, the rending of cloth, the WHINING...

Seems that the lip service of "she can choose who she wants to see" is all well and good UNTIL it comes (or not cums) to you. I'm leaning towards hypocrite here.

[2000BahtLongTime]

Nah bro I'm gonna have to disagree with you here.
I don't discount the fact that some punters can have issues with N5M regarding bookings, girls Etc but calling girls not wanting to see certain customers bullshit behaviour to be condemned is just not respectful. I was just with one of my regulars at N5M and she was telling me how there's a guy on the same day that's been trying to raw dog her for the entire booking, telling her 'no one is here to see it', trying to sneakily remove the condom during sex & forcing it in etc. I don't judge whoever wants to risk raw but I don't condone forcing that on the WLs who clearly saying no. Or another that hurt her and she was crying and wanted to go home. I actually think it's management's task to protect those girls from such clients if they specifically know who they are. I'm not saying you're doing this (or that you don't, I don't know you :)), but they should have the choice. We use them as service providers but they are humans bro.

For what's it's worth I did have some bad punts there as well, when trying some new girls that got lined up and I gave my feedback (I'm sure others have too) and they didn't come back on the line up. So they do listen. Ofc they are less proactive at that than ginza from what I've seen but they're not tone deaf like some way worse shops you can find around town. I wouldn't put them in the same league as ginza but they are up there and running a shop that works
Yes I hear what you're saying. I had good times there too. I'm not here to defend one shop, trash talk one and talk up another. I am just posting what I have personally experienced at No5

Trust me, I am not just some random punter/customer off the street who just went to No5 a few times. I have been going there at least 10+ years, I was even there since the days Jesse (who eventually moved to Ginza) and Christmas was managing the joint. No issues then. I have alot of regulars there who I have been seeing for years (the Thai girls, Jay, Uee just to name a few). They are always happy to see me still and no issues.

That customer you're talking about trying to raw dog your girl without permission and saying "no one is here to see it", that's the type of scum behaviour that should be banned.

I actually never do anything out of what is advertised unless I have her permission (some girls will give extras to their regulars that is not advertised). I even ask permission before I do the advertised services (DFK, BBBJ, DATY and so on) to ensure the girl is comfortable with it

That's why I am surprised that recently, so many booking cancellations. And if its because a girl "banned me" or does not want to see me, I do not actually get told that is the reason. and why she decided so. There is no answer from their management team. But I'm guessing she does not want to see me as I see her working when I go in later on for a line-up, after they told me she "cancelled" and did not come to work

Its been happening I noticed more in the last 1-2 years. I don't know if its the current crop of new girls or the new management.

I let it go the first few times, but when it started happening more, that's when I decided to post this up and call them out on it

And I am not Indian by the way... so that is not the reason why..

[FIFO]

I agree that Ginza is just far superior to every other shop at the moment and it is for this reason i pretty much only go to Ginza nowadays. I would say my ratio of Ginza:Non-Ginza is something like 20:1.

However it is not because of the reception/Non-WL staff. I think it's because of the girl quality and service levels is just much better.

In fact my top 3 worst booking mishaps have all been at Ginza (i guess the more shots you take, the more likely a miss will happen). I once had to wait 45-50mins inside the room for my girl to come in GE, i even got a parking ticket because of it (The one and only time i have ever gotten a parking ticket while at Ginza).

I guess the establishment itself has a lot to do with it, Ginza is a lot more focused on quality control and as a consequence, will be a lot 'stricter' on the girls. Stricter boss = more well behaved girls right, which i guess ties into what you were saying.

[username1]

Yes I hear what you're saying. I had good times there too. I'm not here to defend one shop, trash talk one and talk up another. I am just posting what I have personally experienced at No5

Trust me, I am not just some random punter/customer off the street who just went to No5 a few times. I have been going there at least 10+ years, I was even there since the days Jesse (who eventually moved to Ginza) and Christmas was managing the joint. No issues then. I have alot of regulars there who I have been seeing for years (the Thai girls, Jay, Uee just to name a few). They are always happy to see me still and no issues.

That customer you're talking about trying to raw dog your girl without permission and saying "no one is here to see it", that's the type of scum behaviour that should be banned.

I actually never do anything out of what is advertised unless I have her permission (some girls will give extras to their regulars that is not advertised). I even ask permission before I do the advertised services (DFK, BBBJ, DATY and so on) to ensure the girl is comfortable with it

That's why I am surprised that recently, so many booking cancellations. And if its because a girl "banned me" or does not want to see me, I do not actually get told that is the reason. and why she decided so. There is no answer from their management team. But I'm guessing she does not want to see me as I see her working when I go in later on for a line-up, after they told me she "cancelled" and did not come to work

Its been happening I noticed more in the last 1-2 years. I don't know if its the current crop of new girls or the new management.

I let it go the first few times, but when it started happening more, that's when I decided to post this up and call them out on it

And I am not Indian by the way... so that is not the reason why..

Didn't you say you were Mexican/Hispanic on mn69 - maybe you have a bigger size compared to other customers and for some girls it was too big?

[11Bravo]

Nah bro I'm gonna have to disagree with you here.
I don't discount the fact that some punters can have issues with N5M regarding bookings, girls Etc but calling girls not wanting to see certain customers bullshit behaviour to be condemned is just not respectful. I was just with one of my regulars at N5M and she was telling me how there's a guy on the same day that's been trying to raw dog her for the entire booking, telling her 'no one is here to see it', trying to sneakily remove the condom during sex & forcing it in etc. I don't judge whoever wants to risk raw but I don't condone forcing that on the WLs who clearly saying no. Or another that hurt her and she was crying and wanted to go home. I actually think it's management's task to protect those girls from such clients if they specifically know who they are. I'm not saying you're doing this (or that you don't, I don't know you :)), but they should have the choice. We use them as service providers but they are humans bro.

For what's it's worth I did have some bad punts there as well, when trying some new girls that got lined up and I gave my feedback (I'm sure others have too) and they didn't come back on the line up. So they do listen. Ofc they are less proactive at that than ginza from what I've seen but they're not tone deaf like some way worse shops you can find around town. I wouldn't put them in the same league as ginza but they are up there and running a shop that works

Think most all agree that those actions deserve a blanket ban. But to the point in question, immaterial.

The point is, she doesn't want to. 'Nuff said.


Didn't you say you were Mexican/Hispanic on mn69 - maybe you have a bigger size compared to other customers and for some girls it was too big?
If it's smaller than a baby's head, it'll fit. That's just a polite way of saying, in WG speak, "not with you".

[2000BahtLongTime]

I've seen others punters on this forum receive a discount for bad service from N5M when they complained and myself got discount once because there was some issue some time ago.

Maybe some girls banned OP as it seems like other punters didn't face as much issue as the OP. You said no good reason, but we will never know unless we hear from the girl directly.

That thread is literally from 2016 and N5M is still in business... (I had to wait sometimes as all rooms were full) I guess good for them if they do what they want and it still works. If you don't like the way they run, I guess it's best to stop wasting your precious time and money on N5M and go elsewhere.

You can read multiple complaints for all the popular shops on here. It's not just N5M. I encountered same, if not more, issues in other popular big shops as well. Translate Catchgod posts and there are many info out there..

Not trying to defend N5M and I agree Ginza does a better job when it comes to accomodating customers, but honestly any shops I have been to had "unethical" issues like you say. IMHO just move on and let N5M lose your valuable money and time.

I am not after a discount. I have money and I don't need money. Its not what I am after

As I said, this isn't about money. Its about honouring and keeping bookings. And not wasting customer's time. And to stop with the dishonest excuses for cancelling customer's bookings

All this is, is just feedback for management. I hope No5 management is reading this. Maybe they need to better improve quality control of their girls, services and bookings. And to be more honest and upfront with their customers

As an Australian, I am only used to dealing with people who are honest whenever there is a stuff up or a mistake. Its how were were born and raised in any Western country. We are ethical & moral people here

[2000BahtLongTime]

Agreed, I only got cancelled once as they told me the girl's pussy was hurt and had to go home - they messaged me 2 hours before the booking which was enough. A while ago I saw the same girl in Ginza and after she moved to n5m, but I had to wait 30 min in Ginza (past booking time) whereas I didn't in n5m. I think both shops are just as good and easy to make bookings/communicate in my experience.

OP said his bookings were at least 50% times messed/cancelled in other threads - I feel like what the other guy said above is probably happening to OP (some girls banned him but reception forgot till he got there/he was unlucky and girls wanted to cancel and go home JUST before his booking) as that seems way too frequent.

No offense but calling them unethical seems a bit too far, as it seems like other punters aren't having too much issues. I guess any shops can make mistakes..

The new receptions does seem in a bit of rush at times when it gets really busy there (sometimes all rooms are full and have to wait a bit) but they're quite accomodating, especially the young Japanese lady.

Funnily enough, this is the same bullshit text message No5 gave me for some of their cancellations. "Girls pussy was hurt" and had to go home. The only difference between you and me, is that I actually ended up going there after their "cancellation message". I did a line up. And that's how I saw that the girl who they said had to "cancel" because of a sore pussy, was actually there still working when I saw her in the corridors

This is how I caught out No5 management with their unethical behaviour, dishonest excuses and bullshitting us customers....

And by the way, this is not the first time I caught out No5 doing this. Happened few times already



Who knows how many other countless customers they do this too. So whenever No5 cancels your bookings, always keep this in mind. They are not always honest about it...

[FIFO]

Funnily enough, this is the same bullshit text message No5 gave me for some of their cancellations. "Girls pussy was hurt" and had to go home. The only difference between you and me, is that I actually ended up going there after their "cancellation message". I did a line up. And that's how I saw that the girl who they said had to "cancel" because of a sore pussy, was actually there still working when I saw her in the corridors

This is how I caught out No5 management with their unethical behaviour, dishonest excuses and bullshitting us customers....



Who knows how many other countless customers they do this too. So whenever No5 cancels your bookings, always keep this in mind. They are not always honest about it...

Tbh i think you are taking it a bit too personally, I also prefer honesty. But I can totally understand it from a shop's POV, they are way less likely to hurt your feelings if they say something like:

"the girl had to cancel because her pussy is sore"

as opposed to
"the girl doesn't want to see you because of [reason]" or
"Hey sorry we accidentally double booked, my bad"

You were more offended because you think you caught them out on a lie. I think this was a harmless white lie, think about it, you weren't going to see that girl that day because of [real reason] anyway. Let's say the reception told you the real reason for the cancellation, what difference would it have made? You still wouldn't have been able to see the girl anyway. So the reception told you what they thought would offend you the least, which ultimately backfired as you ended up going to the shop anyway. (Of course the real reason probably would have stung less, but the result is the same).

I see no 'unethical' behaviour here, the reception didn't try to deceive you out of malice. Remember they are a business, what they did i would argue means a money loss for them as they cancelled your booking with no replacement and didn't try to 'cheat' your money in some unethical way.

Real unethical behaviour would have been the reception didn't even bother to message you about the cancellation, when you arrive at the shop they take your money, send you to a room and send a different girl instead.

Also, i believe every reputable shop would do the same thing, even Ginza does this for example.

I had a booking with a girl at 5pm, at 4:56pm they messaged me this exact message when i was already outside the shop.

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Of course seeing a message like that, i'm a bit concerned, so i message the girl directly (privately) if she's okay. She was confused, because she was in the shop working at the time and did not go home.
Turns out, the shop accidentally double booked, and i lost the coin toss and wasn't able to see her. The girl had no idea the whole time and was just going through her bookings as normal, she would have never known had i not told her.

So in the end, i think every shop does this even the best. However, i was never offended or anything, mistakes happen. Of course i was a bit annoyed at the time as i had travelled all the way over to the shop already, but shit happens man.

[username1]

First of all, when did I say this is about money? I was only saying it's easy to see other punters received discount from complaining as you said N5M NEVER listens to complaints and NEVER does anything about it.

Also the guy above has said already but 1. she may have banned you and she asked reception not to let you know for privacy/safety 2. she said she wants a break within her shift for food etc there could be many reasons. Whatever reason it is, I think it is more "ethical" and more "western country/Australian like" that they listen to the girls and not force them to work?
If it already happened to you few times& more than 50% times your booking gets messed (which didn't happen to others in this thread) maybe you have a larger size (I guess Mexicans would be larger than Asians) and some girls banned you. After all, we only know one side of the story, not N5m/Girls side that cancelled on you.

If some girls say they don't want bigger guys, the shops sometimes don't let you book the girl (even if you haven't seen her before) as they know both sides won't be happy with the session. I feel like this is the case as you said you are very respectful in the room.

When I was seeing this girl for a number of times in Ginza, I was told that she cancelled like an hour before the booking which I was fine with (this was few months back though). I asked her why she cancelled out of curiosity during the next session and she said she never cancelled and kept asking me if I am not confusing with some other girl (I'm not) lol. But I don't take it personally as receptions/Ginza are humans as well. She was a bit harder to book girl and didn't work long hours, so IDK what happened but maybe they just messed the bookings.

Honestly I think you already have your conclusions drawn (and I get it that it would be quite annoying/offensive when you see the girl at shop and feel deceived - but think of the other side, they're doing their best to protect the girls which is the most important part). I understand but the more you think about it the more stress you will get as you can never know what really happened... best to move on for your own good. I'm just trying to share my view/experiences to help!

[username1]

Also even if they do read this, I don't think it is very likely they will change drastically if they have been operating the same way since the 2016 thread and still surviving. IDEK if they even want to grow more as they already run out of rooms frequently whenever I visit... probably just their way of doing things as they are a bit smaller shop compared to Ginza with like 27 rooms and multiple buildings. Best to either move on and never return or just understand them (and they honestly would have no harm against you - they're literally talking/texting to probably hundreds of people daily while managing girls at same time, they probably wouldn't even remember I was there by the end of the day LOL) I guess.
Also think in N5m (or any other shops) shoes, of course they would want the girl to serve you and make you happy and make another loyal customer, but they can't force unwilling girls unfortunately (which is totally ethical).

[Viktorius69]

As an Australian, I am only used to dealing with people who are honest whenever there is a stuff up or a mistake. Its how were were born and raised in any Western country. We are ethical & moral people here

Good timing, I was just talking to a French mate about that little $400 billion nuclear sub incident. He's asking if we can do something about it haha

[Loblaw]

And I am not Indian by the way... so that is not the reason why..

Are you by any chance old, bald, fat or farang? Perhaps the WLs you wanted to see are only interested in Brad Pitt and Chris Hemsworth types, which is entirely their choice.

[Abracadabra]

Good timing, I was just talking to a French mate about that little $400 billion nuclear sub incident. He's asking if we can do something about it haha

Chuckle chuckle ......

[2000BahtLongTime]

I agree that Ginza is just far superior to every other shop at the moment and it is for this reason i pretty much only go to Ginza nowadays. I would say my ratio of Ginza:Non-Ginza is something like 20:1.

However it is not because of the reception/Non-WL staff. I think it's because of the girl quality and service levels is just much better.

In fact my top 3 worst booking mishaps have all been at Ginza (i guess the more shots you take, the more likely a miss will happen). I once had to wait 45-50mins inside the room for my girl to come in GE, i even got a parking ticket because of it (The one and only time i have ever gotten a parking ticket while at Ginza).

I guess the establishment itself has a lot to do with it, Ginza is a lot more focused on quality control and as a consequence, will be a lot 'stricter' on the girls. Stricter boss = more well behaved girls right, which i guess ties into what you were saying.
Yes this is where GINZA shines. I had few delays with Ginza as well, but you are still guaranteed that you will see the girl you booked. And GINZA is honest that she is just running late. Where as with No5, they will just tell you she "cancelled"

Look, I am not expecting No5 to set up a big HR type meeting over this or anything. All I am asking is that No5 should at least look into the problem. And I am in no way, shape or form asking them to force a girl to see customers they don't want to see. But at least look into what the problem is. As every girl has a reason, and some can be resolved.

1-2 years ago, at GINZA, I booked a girl for the first time, and she was reluctant to see me (I have never seen this girl before in my life). She mistook me for another rough customer who she didn't want to see. The GINZA staff then spoke to that girl saying "He is our regular customer here. He never causes any problems...". I ended up seeing her, great session and still see her to this day. It was just a case of mistaken identity and a misunderstanding

GINZA sticks up for their regular customers & supports their regular customers. And they sort out any problems, very quickly on the spot. Number 1 customer service in this industry

Whereas No5 doesn't seem to do this. They just tell you she "cancelled" and leaves you out to hang. And if its because a girl doesn't want to see a customer, they don't even bother talking to the girl to see what the problem is or trying to resolve the problem like what GINZA does. There seem's to be no form of customer service/support at No5

[fnmfnmfnm]

As an Australian, I am only used to dealing with people who are honest whenever there is a stuff up or a mistake. Its how were were born and raised in any Western country. We are ethical & moral people here

Never ceases to amaze me in terms of how Australians see themselves compared to the reality of how things actually are. This country is no different from any other capitalistic Western society which is built on stepping on others heads to get to the top. Take a look at our godawful political system to get a sense of the calibre of person we will vote into running this place.

Also - seeking a moral and ethical experience in the sex industry is hilarious. Do you expect the WLs to tell you they love you each session too?

[2000BahtLongTime]

Never ceases to amaze me in terms of how Australians see themselves compared to the reality of how things actually are. This country is no different from any other capitalistic Western society which is built on stepping on others heads to get to the top. Take a look at our godawful political system to get a sense of the calibre of person we will vote into running this place.

Also - seeking a moral and ethical experience in the sex industry is hilarious. Do you expect the WLs to tell you they love you each session too?

LOL. All jokes aside. I'm not asking for any special treatment or anything extra-ordinary

I'm just like any other customer. I just want to book a girl. Turn up, see the girl. Pay, do my deed. Then leave. And go about my day without having to get screwed around with dishonest cancellations when the girl is actually there working. And messing up my bookings. Is that too much to ask 555

Any other customers who get a cancellation from No5 should keep this in mind as it may not always be true. Or maybe the girl just doesn't want to see you...

When they are very dishonest about a cancellation, it sort of diminishes a customer's faith, trust & confidence in No5 as a shop & as a business

[Pattyherb]

Never ceases to amaze me in terms of how Australians see themselves compared to the reality of how things actually are. This country is no different from any other capitalistic Western society which is built on stepping on others heads to get to the top. Take a look at our godawful political system to get a sense of the calibre of person we will vote into running this place.

Also - seeking a moral and ethical experience in the sex industry is hilarious. Do you expect the WLs to tell you they love you each session too?

M8 take your nonsense elsewhere.

[ironmonk]

Also - seeking a moral and ethical experience in the sex industry is hilarious. Do you expect the WLs to tell you they love you each session too?

Mia from N5M did say she loved me. Made me feel special. Then I read another AR from a punter who said she said the same to them. LOL

[2000BahtLongTime]

First of all, when did I say this is about money? I was only saying it's easy to see other punters received discount from complaining as you said N5M NEVER listens to complaints and NEVER does anything about it.

Also the guy above has said already but 1. she may have banned you and she asked reception not to let you know for privacy/safety 2. she said she wants a break within her shift for food etc there could be many reasons. Whatever reason it is, I think it is more "ethical" and more "western country/Australian like" that they listen to the girls and not force them to work?
If it already happened to you few times& more than 50% times your booking gets messed (which didn't happen to others in this thread) maybe you have a larger size (I guess Mexicans would be larger than Asians) and some girls banned you. After all, we only know one side of the story, not N5m/Girls side that cancelled on you.

If some girls say they don't want bigger guys, the shops sometimes don't let you book the girl (even if you haven't seen her before) as they know both sides won't be happy with the session. I feel like this is the case as you said you are very respectful in the room.

When I was seeing this girl for a number of times in Ginza, I was told that she cancelled like an hour before the booking which I was fine with (this was few months back though). I asked her why she cancelled out of curiosity during the next session and she said she never cancelled and kept asking me if I am not confusing with some other girl (I'm not) lol. But I don't take it personally as receptions/Ginza are humans as well. She was a bit harder to book girl and didn't work long hours, so IDK what happened but maybe they just messed the bookings.

Honestly I think you already have your conclusions drawn (and I get it that it would be quite annoying/offensive when you see the girl at shop and feel deceived - but think of the other side, they're doing their best to protect the girls which is the most important part). I understand but the more you think about it the more stress you will get as you can never know what really happened... best to move on for your own good. I'm just trying to share my view/experiences to help!

I see what you mean. Thanks for you perspective. If girls did ban me and that is the reason my bookings got cancelled. I would never understand why.....

I'm not an emotional guy. I don't get emotionally attached to any of these WL's/ML's. I don't ask any girls for their numbers. I just do 30min-60min bookings. I just pay, f*ck then leave. And thank her for her time... I always ask her for consent whenever we do anything, whether advertised or non-advertised services.

I don't get attached to any girl as I already have a few regulars I see throughout the week. I'm not looking for any relationships with any WL/ML. I never talk to the girls outside the shops. I do not try to meet them outside the shops either.

I'm not like some of the brother's here who book a girl for 2-3 hours+ so they can have a chat, pillow talk and have some "deep and meaningful" conversations with a WL/ML 555

I would not say its a safety thing. As even if the shop shop tells me she banned me, I will just move on and see another girl. I'm not going to stalk her, wait outside for her or beg her to see me. F*ck that shit... I'm not going to jail over some WL/ML

I always keep things professional, business-like & transactional as I understand these girls are doing this as a job and they just want to make money just like everyone else. I never overstep any personal boundaries

So we would actually never know the reason why unless the shop or the girls themselves tell me 555

And that's the annoying part as I never get told the reason why. They just tell me some dishonest excuse 555.

[keebab]

20+ bookings at N5M. Always book via WeChat the day before. Never had an issue remotely like what you've described.

[2000BahtLongTime]

20+ bookings at N5M. Always book via WeChat the day before. Never had an issue remotely like what you've described.
Really? 20+ bookings with No5M and you had 0% cancellations, 0% girls calling in "sick" & cancelling and 0% screw-ups?

I find this extremely hard to believe...

Are you sure you are not talking about GINZA here? This is GINZA pro-booking level now

[Viktorius69]

Really? 20+ bookings with No5M and you had 0% cancellations, 0% girls calling in "sick" & cancelling and 0% screw-ups?

I find this extremely hard to believe...

Are you sure you are not talking about GINZA here? This is GINZA pro-booking level now

I can second that, been going there last 2-3 years and I had 0 cancellation. I've had cancellations at Ginza of girls calling in sick, but they handled it well, warned me before and recommended some good replacements.

[1inchguy]

Really? 20+ bookings with No5M and you had 0% cancellations, 0% girls calling in "sick" & cancelling and 0% screw-ups?

I find this extremely hard to believe...

Are you sure you are not talking about GINZA here? This is GINZA pro-booking level now

You seem to be entitled and broken up about it.

[2000BahtLongTime]

I can second that, been going there last 2-3 years and I had 0 cancellation. I've had cancellations at Ginza of girls calling in sick, but they handled it well, warned me before and recommended some good replacements.
Except with Ginza, the girl really is sick.

At No5, you may find the girl who is "sick" and "cancelled" may still be there working.... and just does not want to see some customers

[2000BahtLongTime]

You seem to be entitled and broken up about it.
Its not entitlement. Its a minimum level of service expected. I'm just expecting to receive what I booked.

[2000BahtLongTime]

Also - seeking a moral and ethical experience in the sex industry is hilarious. Do you expect the WLs to tell you they love you each session too?

Mia from N5M did say she loved me. Made me feel special. Then I read another AR from a punter who said she said the same to them. LOL
They already do.

Me too. I thought I was special. And all the K girls (London, Uee, Hanna, Emma, Mint and so on) always say "Sarang-Hae-yo" to me

[Abracadabra]

I have experienced some irregularities with their roster but overall I find them quite good, albeit not at the standard Ginza set, but who is!

[FangShoe]

20+ bookings at N5M. Always book via WeChat the day before. Never had an issue remotely like what you've described.

Go you good thing! I use txt usually a week before especially for more than one at a time. I never got a response via WeChat but I use a pseudonym for randoms and they might not have put two and two together. So txt it is. I’ve got higher stats but had only one repeat girl cancel at the last minute due to a tummy issue and a substitute was offered and accepted. So once in a year.

[2000BahtLongTime]

Go you good thing! I use txt usually a week before especially for more than one at a time. I never got a response via WeChat but I use a pseudonym for randoms and they might not have put two and two together. So txt it is. I’ve got higher stats but had only one repeat girl cancel at the last minute due to a tummy issue and a substitute was offered and accepted. So once in a year.

No5M has no quality control over their staff/girls there

Girls at No5M will pick and choose who they want to see, depending on how they're feeling at the time. And the No5M shop will just let her do as she pleases, whereas GINZA is more "strict" on their girls & quality control to ensure their girls provide good service to all of their customers. GINZA also fires girls who are consistently not performing well and getting complaints from their customers.

The repeat girl at No5M who cancelled on you last minute probably realized it was you who booked her and just did not want to see you as a customer again. So she decided to "cancel" your booking, with no regards for your time or honouring your booking whatsoever

Happened to me many times at No5M. Then I see her still working when I went in later...

Never trust 100% what No5M tells you. They are very dishonest about booking cancellations

[11Bravo]

No5M has no quality control over their staff/girls there

Girls at No5M will pick and choose who they want to see, depending on how they're feeling at the time. And the No5M shop will just let her do as she pleases, whereas GINZA is more "strict" on their girls & quality control to ensure their girls provide good service to all of their customers. GINZA also fires girls who are consistently not performing well and getting complaints from their customers.

The repeat girl at No5M who cancelled on you last minute probably realized it was you who booked her and just did not want to see you as a customer again. So she decided to "cancel" your booking, with no regards for your time or honouring your booking whatsoever

Happened to me many times at No5M. Then I see her still working when I went in later...

Never trust 100% what No5M tells you. They are very dishonest about booking cancellations


I seen FL's ignoring old bald fat Farangs & Indian blokes at Thermae

Imagine that. Thai hookers are the very bottom of Thai society already, yet they have the propensity to be rude & have the arrogance to ignore punters 555
Maybe the above experience at SYD brothels explains your amazement at FL turn-downs. The girls have a say at who they see, what a shock; well, to some. Myself, great way to do business. Who wants to be in a room with someone who doesn't want to be there with you, whatever her social status? Not I.

[2000BahtLongTime]

Sounds like girls don't want to see you a second time dude. As is their right. Move on.

I'm not forcing anyone to see anyone

This is a complaints thread. I am just exercising my First Ammendment (Freedom of Speech), expressing what I experienced & making a complaint about No5M and their dishonesty with bookings

But thanks for the advice Captain Obvious

[11Bravo]

This is a complaints thread. I am just exercising my First Ammendment (Freedom of Speech), expressing what I experienced & making a complaint about No5M and their dishonesty with bookings

First Amendment - that seems to be a US thing, while last time I looked (the wrong way, roadwise :startle:), this is OZ. AND, every intersection is NOT a crosswalk, marked or not. Savages...:horror:

[ricki]

We should be complaining about how some of the photos of the girl on the website don't match how they look at all of No5 rather than the bookings 😂.
Like c'mon at least mention on the website that the photo ain't real or no photo due to privacy reasons ( which by the way they mention on few of the WL).
Made a booking for 1 hr after seeing the photo on the website when the WL came in I was in for a shock ruined the whole mood. Did it for one round then just laid there hoping the session ends for the next 45 mins.

[Jack-Jack]

I'm not forcing anyone to see anyone

This is a complaints thread. I am just exercising my First Ammendment (Freedom of Speech), expressing what I experienced & making a complaint about No5M and their dishonesty with bookings

But thanks for the advice Captain Obvious


First Amendment - that seems to be a US thing, while last time I looked (the wrong way, roadwise :startle:), this is OZ. AND, every intersection is NOT a crosswalk, marked or not. Savages...:horror:

bahahahahha give it some time.... Mn69 gonna put a post going god bless america soon lol

[Jack-Jack]

We should be complaining about how some of the photos of the girl on the website don't match how they look at all of No5 rather than the bookings ��.
Like c'mon at least mention on the website that the photo ain't real or no photo due to privacy reasons ( which by the way they mention on few of the WL).
Made a booking for 1 hr after seeing the photo on the website when the WL came in I was in for a shock ruined the whole mood. Did it for one round then just laid there hoping the session ends for the next 45 mins.

true true bro u make a very very point esp for the ones that have same photos but been there since pre covid lol

[Misohappy]

I'll start off by saying this outright so people know my stance, this may seem like I'm defending n5m/42g but I'm really not. I think n5m/42g is so far inferior to Ginza, I see no reason for me to visit these establishments anymore.

I was never a n5m regular but once upon a time I was a weekly regular at 42g for a very long time. 42g has a setup where the girls can see the punters in those waiting cubicles from the girls waiting room, this is so girls can see the punter before the punter can see them. The obvious reason for this setup is so girls can avoid any friends/people they know in their day-to-day lives, or just punters they don't want to see for whatever reason.

Now I'd assume n5m would also have the same system (i'm assuming as i've never got close enough to any girls that works in n5m to confirm). Tbh, i think any reputable shop should have the same system, Ginza Empire has the same system too, it's completely up to the girl to come out to join the line-up or not.

So to play devil's advocate, since you said you saw the girl you booked in the corridor, i see 3 reasons why the situation you described could have happened.

The girl actually felt sick and wanted to go home right after the punter before you and cancelled (you were just unlucky)
Reception accidentally double booked and made a random excuse, it happens, even Ginza does this sometimes (although very rarely)
As you described, the girl saw you and didn't want to see you for whatever reason/she shadow banned you from seeing her and told the reception. The reception, didn't want to hurt your feelings said she cancelled because she is sick


Again, i'm just playing devils advocate here, i don't actually know what happened but i find it unlikely it was some sort of unethical booking practice ( I do believe some shops do this, but prob not n5m).

"Never attribute to malice that which can be adequately explained by stupidity"

Yeah n5m girls can definitely see who is in waiting room

[2000BahtLongTime]

Maybe the above experience at SYD brothels explains your amazement at FL turn-downs. The girls have a say at who they see, what a shock; well, to some. Myself, great way to do business. Who wants to be in a room with someone who doesn't want to be there with you, whatever her social status? Not I.

If you're at a Thai GoGo bar, then yes the girl will get a feel of the customer buying her drinks and whether she wants to leave with him, depending on if she likes him or not

But for a shop/brothel, generally girls working there just see whichever customer chooses them or books them. Girls choosing who and when to see customers is unheard of. If she is taking up a room in the shop, the shop will never make any money 555

Its not dating. its just business and transactional like you said....

[11Bravo]

If you're at a Thai GoGo bar, then yes the girl will get a feel of the customer buying her drinks and whether she wants to leave with him, depending on if she likes him or not

But for a shop/brothel, generally girls working there just see whichever customer chooses them or books them. Girls choosing who and when to see customers is unheard of. If she is taking up a room in the shop, the shop will never make any money 555

Its not dating. its just business and transactional like you said....

Definitely agreed. I always appreciate the mutual job interview, though that lady drink is earned, not a given (I AM old school). But even then, it's more if she likes the size of your..... wallet (along with risk assessment as it is outcall).

And in a line-up, if she's not making eye-contact, not smiling, I don't care how attractive she is, I CAN read the room. Continue the scan...

[FangShoe]

“Why are people so unkind”?

[personaa]

Storm in a teacup. Move on mate. You can find the same low quality elsewhere! Market has changed.

(When writing the word 'teacup' I doubted myself for a second; whether it's tea cup or teacup? So had to google it and quite interestingly teacup is one word but coffee cup should be written as two words!! I know it's off- topic but before abusing me, use your sense of humour and imagine at 12:40am I'm googling this for a comment on a spicy forum ;) Do we have any linguists here to explain why teacup is one word but coffee cup is two?!

[Viktorius69]

Storm in a teacup. Move on mate. You can find the same low quality elsewhere! Market has changed.

(When writing the word 'teacup' I doubted myself for a second; whether it's tea cup or teacup? So had to google it and quite interestingly teacup is one word but coffee cup should be written as two words!! I know it's off- topic but if use your sense of humour imagine at 12:40am I'm googling this ;) . Do we have any linguists here to explain why teacup is one word but coffee cup is two?!).

Thats very interesting mate, learning every day and from all places!

Real question is do you write twogirlsonecup or two girls one cup?

[Abs90]

Yes I hear what you're saying. I had good times there too. I'm not here to defend one shop, trash talk one and talk up another. I am just posting what I have personally experienced at No5

Trust me, I am not just some random punter/customer off the street who just went to No5 a few times. I have been going there at least 10+ years, I was even there since the days Jesse (who eventually moved to Ginza) and Christmas was managing the joint. No issues then. I have alot of regulars there who I have been seeing for years (the Thai girls, Jay, Uee just to name a few). They are always happy to see me still and no issues.

That customer you're talking about trying to raw dog your girl without permission and saying "no one is here to see it", that's the type of scum behaviour that should be banned.

I actually never do anything out of what is advertised unless I have her permission (some girls will give extras to their regulars that is not advertised). I even ask permission before I do the advertised services (DFK, BBBJ, DATY and so on) to ensure the girl is comfortable with it

That's why I am surprised that recently, so many booking cancellations. And if its because a girl "banned me" or does not want to see me, I do not actually get told that is the reason. and why she decided so. There is no answer from their management team. But I'm guessing she does not want to see me as I see her working when I go in later on for a line-up, after they told me she "cancelled" and did not come to work

Its been happening I noticed more in the last 1-2 years. I don't know if its the current crop of new girls or the new management.

I let it go the first few times, but when it started happening more, that's when I decided to post this up and call them out on it

And I am not Indian by the way... so that is not the reason why..
It is a YOU problem and nothing else. You have done something to a girl or girls and word has spread to the point some of your regulars do not want to see you and the ones that do are probably not happy to see you but tolerate you for the pay check. You are probably one of those customers that are just annoying to be around or maybe do DATY too long. Either way get over it, move on and go spend time with your wife and kids instead of crying like a baby on here.

[Fezco]

I'm not forcing anyone to see anyone

This is a complaints thread. I am just exercising my First Ammendment (Freedom of Speech), expressing what I experienced & making a complaint about No5M and their dishonesty with bookings

But thanks for the advice Captain Obvious

First amendment of the Australian constitution? Never heard of it. Got a link?

[11Bravo]

Storm in a teacup. Move on mate. You can find the same low quality elsewhere! Market has changed.

(When writing the word 'teacup' I doubted myself for a second; whether it's tea cup or teacup? So had to google it and quite interestingly teacup is one word but coffee cup should be written as two words!! I know it's off- topic but before abusing me, use your sense of humour and imagine at 12:40am I'm googling this for a comment on a spicy forum ;) Do we have any linguists here to explain why teacup is one word but coffee cup is two?!
Ah, a poster with a sense of fun AND humor (no doubt also the way you punt). Very refreshing, just like a good cup of black tea.

BTW: what's with the tiny teacups in China? It's like drinking out of a thimble. "To savor and enjoy the aroma"... OK, a-cups, certainly possible to enjoy, but myself, I'll go for a C or D cuppa if given a choice.

[2000BahtLongTime]

We should be complaining about how some of the photos of the girl on the website don't match how they look at all of No5 rather than the bookings 😂.
Like c'mon at least mention on the website that the photo ain't real or no photo due to privacy reasons ( which by the way they mention on few of the WL).
Made a booking for 1 hr after seeing the photo on the website when the WL came in I was in for a shock ruined the whole mood. Did it for one round then just laid there hoping the session ends for the next 45 mins.
LOL well bookings are my first complaint. I have more but will post up about them later. Pics are another issue, next once your booking is actually honoured and you actually see the girl. Assuming they don't "fake-cancel" your booking just because the girl did not want to see customers.

I seen nearly all the girls at No5
From my experience, alot of the C girls may be using fake profile pics. C-Jay's are real for sure (I know its her as I am her regular customer & seen her many times). But her pics may be a few years old. The Viet & J girls are are for the most part real pics. Some abit photoshopped

The K girls pics. Some are real. Some not.

[2000BahtLongTime]

It is a YOU problem and nothing else. You have done something to a girl or girls and word has spread to the point some of your regulars do not want to see you and the ones that do are probably not happy to see you but tolerate you for the pay check. You are probably one of those customers that are just annoying to be around or maybe do DATY too long. Either way get over it, move on and go spend time with your wife and kids instead of crying like a baby on here.
Nah thats fine. You're entitled to you opinion. Its funny that y'all blame the customer all the time, and that the customer is always the problem why the girls refuses to see.... but no one ever mentions the problem may be the girl or the shop

No one else would like it either if it happened to them and their bookings kept getting messed up

I am a regular customer of alot of the popular girls at GINZA. Some of them get mentioned regularly on the AR section alot, where y'all are saying you can't get a booking with her or she's hard to book. And I been a regular with some of these girls for years. How come they never refuse to see me. You would think it's the popular girls who have alot of customers already who will pick and choose who they want to see....

It seems to be the girls at No5 Marrickville. And its the girls who aren't even "popular" doing it. Its either a problem with the way No5 manages their girls or their girls just have bad work ethic, "princess syndrome" where they pick, choose & decline customers for no good reason.

If this is the case, No5M should fire these girls immediately as it is not good for their customers, their image and their reputation

And No5M doesn't even do anything about it either to help you out or sort out the situation, even if you have been a customer of theirs for 10+ years. Thats some shitty bad customer service for ya.

In my years of punting history, this has never happened before...

And this problem is just unheard of....

[11Bravo]

No one else would like it either if it happened to them and their bookings kept getting messed up
Well, if it happened to me frequently, I'd simply take my business elsewhere, to a shop that doesn't mess up my bookings. (What can I say, I just take the easy solution).


I am a regular customer of alot of the popular girls at GINZA. Some of them get mentioned regularly on the AR section alot, where y'all are saying you can't get a booking with her or she's hard to book. And I been a regular with some of these girls for years. How come they never refuse to see me. You would think it's the popular girls who have alot of customers already who will pick and choose who they want to see....
So, take your business there. Seems this is more a case of wanting something you you can't have, which makes you want it all the more.


It seems to be the girls at No5 Marrickville. And its the girls who aren't even "popular" doing it. Its either a problem with the way No5 manages their girls or their girls just have bad work ethic, "princess syndrome" where they pick, choose & decline customers for no good reason.
After ALL this time, I still can't understand why a girl needs ANY reason to decline. "I don't want to" certainly sufficient in my book.


If this is the case, No5M should fire these girls immediately as it is not good for their customers, their image and their reputationGee, it doesn't bother me a bit. When I walk into Tilac, or Rainbow, or any bar and get turned down by several ladies, I should demand that these ladies be fired as it's damaging the bar's rep?

It seems that it's not good for CERTAIN customers, and PERHAPS when it starts hurting N5M's bottom line, things might change. Besides, if a shop starts forcing ladies to see customers they don't want to, well, it's not just the customers who can leave (I'm GUESSING that the girls don't have to sign a "no compete" contract when they start working).


And No5M doesn't even do anything about it either to help you out or sort out the situation, even if you have been a customer of theirs for 10+ years. Thats some shitty bad customer service for ya.Myself, I'd take the hint that I'm not all that important to their business model and, as stated above, take the simple solution.


In my years of punting history, this has never happened before...There is ALWAYS a first time for EVERYTHING. Perhaps, just perhaps, you're not the center of the punting universe...

Bottom line: I just don't understand what the problem is. There ARE other venues. I've just never found it productive to keep beating my head against a wall (or a door that won't open). To quote Yul Brnner, "Ride on."

[Fezco]

If this is the case, No5M should fire these girls immediately as it is not good for their customers, their image and their reputation



How very Trumpian.

[Jack-Jack]

LOL well bookings are my first complaint. I have more but will post up about them later. Pics are another issue, next once your booking is actually honoured and you actually see the girl. Assuming they don't "fake-cancel" your booking just because the girl did not want to see customers.

I seen nearly all the girls at No5
From my experience, alot of the C girls may be using fake profile pics. C-Jay's are real for sure (I know its her as I am her regular customer & seen her many times). But her pics may be a few years old. The Viet & J girls are are for the most part real pics. Some abit photoshopped

The K girls pics. Some are real. Some not.

lmaoooo this thread is still going?

mate thats the most wishy washy answer ever yet you say ur not paid or affiliated with the shops

either name and shame the girls that use fake and or outdated photos or doing say anything at all!

whats the point of something generic like the below if you have "REALLY" seen most of the girls.... the only way you would write it so cryptically is because u dont want to name and shame perhaps cos ur affiliated with that shop

alot of the C girls may be using fake profile pics. -- may be using fake profile pics so if you have seen the girls then its either fake pics or real pics stop spreading rumor's about the girls if ur not game name them

The Viet & J girls are are for the most part real pics. Some abit photoshopped -- so which of the Viet and Jap girls got real pics and which are heavily photo shopped?

again ur post is meaningless and just wash washy it doesnt help anyone nor does it do the girls any favors for being dragged into ur hipcrosy for seeking attention....

[2000BahtLongTime]

lmaoooo this thread is still going?

mate thats the most wishy washy answer ever yet you say ur not paid or affiliated with the shops

either name and shame the girls that use fake and or outdated photos or doing say anything at all!

whats the point of something generic like the below if you have "REALLY" seen most of the girls.... the only way you would write it so cryptically is because u dont want to name and shame perhaps cos ur affiliated with that shop

alot of the C girls may be using fake profile pics. -- may be using fake profile pics so if you have seen the girls then its either fake pics or real pics stop spreading rumor's about the girls if ur not game name them

The Viet & J girls are are for the most part real pics. Some abit photoshopped -- so which of the Viet and Jap girls got real pics and which are heavily photo shopped?

again ur post is meaningless and just wash washy it doesnt help anyone nor does it do the girls any favors for being dragged into ur hipcrosy for seeking attention....

Whoa. Brother relax. Take a chill pill. I have no beef with you or anyone here.

You post whatever you want and I post whatever I want. I respect your right to post up your opinions and your Free Speech. I have no intention to Censor anything you say. Please return the favour to others.

Yes, I'm very transparent in saying there is no conflicts of interest in whatever I post as I'm just a regular guy who goes to alot of different shops and just post up my experiences. I have money, so I don't need to get paid or receive discounts to post AR's or defend one shop & criticise another. I don't ask for special treatment either. I just post at my own free will and based on whatever I have personally experienced.

That's the beauty of a Democracy. At least I know I'm Free....

All I am saying is alot of my bookings seem to get screwed over and cancelled at No5 Marrickville. Whereas my bookings at GINZA all seem to go fine, with no problems

I still have alot of regular girls I see at No5. Even saw her today. I don't want to post up anything negative about any girl as I know a negative review can affect her livelihood & her bookings. I'm still empathetic towards the girls. I know its a hard job

The only time I will do so is if I really do get a very bad service from a girl (which is rare) or I get screwed over repeatedly.

I just want to be able to enjoy myself the same as every other punter here.

I'm just a simple guy who loves Asian women. All I want is to be able to book the nice Asian girl I want, arrive, have fun then leave. Without my bookings getting screwed over. Is that too much to ask for....

[fnmfnmfnm]

M8 take your nonsense elsewhere.

Sorry did I offend your southern cross tattoo?

[LuvKoreanPussy]

Bookings with No5 Marrickville / 42 for the last few weeks have been pretty good so far

[Demure]

Long time stalker of the forum but never made an account or posted. But because of work opportunities I visited n5m a few weeks ago and have been 3 times now and planning to go next week again. Each time I booked, was perfect without any issues.

When I messaged through on WeChat, I got a response back within 10 mins confirming if said girl was available and for how long. Then when I turned up, no issues with the booking. Just my 2 cents.

[vitamin]

We should be complaining about how some of the photos of the girl on the website don't match how they look at all of No5 rather than the bookings ��.
Like c'mon at least mention on the website that the photo ain't real or no photo due to privacy reasons ( which by the way they mention on few of the WL).
Made a booking for 1 hr after seeing the photo on the website when the WL came in I was in for a shock ruined the whole mood. Did it for one round then just laid there hoping the session ends for the next 45 mins.

You can finish in 15 min with a girl you don't fancy. Count yourself lucky.
I'm just limp. can't even do anything. Usually I just leave. Don't ask for a refund but usually don't go back.


First amendment of the Australian constitution? Never heard of it. Got a link?

ignore him. He's American. Thinks entire world uses the American constitution.

Doesn't realise Australia doesn't protect free speech.

[vitamin]

****Deleted*****

Wish there was a delete button.

[LuvKoreanPussy]

Y'all are probably just lucky No5 has not cancelled on you or screwed you over yet.
But y'all wouldnt be happy either if it happened to you and you were in my shoes

Even if some guys don't like me posting this, at least other lurkers and punters can read it. And know whats up with No5 Marrickville

Its been okay so far last few bookings.

But if I keep getting screwed over by No5 Marrrickville, I will keep posting up complaints and my bad reviews & bad experiences. I won't go down quietly without making a loud noise and complaint about it.

I will post on every other forum too
Like Catchgod
The Naked Truth
Punter Planet

Even American Sites like Google & Twitter. So not even God himself can censor or take it down.

And more people can read my bad reviews and know what No5 Marrickville does to screw over their customers

[keebab]

Y'all are probably just lucky No5 has not cancelled on you or screwed you over yet.
But y'all wouldnt be happy either if it happened to you and you were in my shoes

Even if some guys don't like me posting this, at least other lurkers and punters can read it. And know whats up with No5 Marrickville

Its been okay so far last few bookings.

But if I keep getting screwed over by No5 Marrrickville, I will keep posting up complaints and my bad reviews & bad experiences. I won't go down quietly without making a loud noise and complaint about it.

I will post on every other forum too
Like Catchgod
The Naked Truth
Punter Planet

Even American Sites like Google & Twitter. So not even God himself can censor or take it down.

And more people can read my bad reviews and know what No5 Marrickville does to screw over their customers


I think you should start a class-action lawsuit. This is clearly a violation of your 4th and 7th Amendment rights as well as your rights under the Anterior Cruciate Ligament. (ACL). The trauma and mental anguish seem to have affected you and created the inability to distinguish between simple human interactions and reality.

Don't let my experiences with N5M (100% positive over 3ish years) stop you from grinding this axe.

[secret0]

I think you should start a class-action lawsuit. This is clearly a violation of your 4th and 7th Amendment rights as well as your rights under the Anterior Cruciate Ligament. (ACL). The trauma and mental anguish seem to have affected you and created the inability to distinguish between simple human interactions and reality.

Don't let my experiences with N5M (100% positive over 3ish years) stop you from grinding this axe.

Oh no, a class action suit under the ACL? I hear those could put you out for months, even over a year. Hope the MCL doesn't apply. His appeal could be all torn up.

[albion79]

I've had a few long waits at this establishment from pre booked girls. They always seemed so rushed here.

[vitamin]

Y'all are probably just lucky No5 has not cancelled on you or screwed you over yet.
But y'all wouldnt be happy either if it happened to you and you were in my shoes

Even if some guys don't like me posting this, at least other lurkers and punters can read it. And know whats up with No5 Marrickville

Its been okay so far last few bookings.

But if I keep getting screwed over by No5 Marrrickville, I will keep posting up complaints and my bad reviews & bad experiences. I won't go down quietly without making a loud noise and complaint about it.

I will post on every other forum too
Like Catchgod
The Naked Truth
Punter Planet

Even American Sites like Google & Twitter. So not even God himself can censor or take it down.

And more people can read my bad reviews and know what No5 Marrickville does to screw over their customers

What's the point though?

You think n5M want's to cancel your appointment and not make money.

What's the alternative when the girl doesn't want to see you? How would you if you were management deal with it?

Force the girl to see you?
You think you were singled out? Believe me, it happens often.

Reverse is also true. Customer books. asks to see girl and cancels on her because he doesn't like what he sees.
- She now just blocked her books and didn't see customers only to now have no work.

The girls are more important than you. Girls are harder to come by. Punters won't dry out. It's a sellers market unfortunately.

Vote with your wallet.

Everyone is working with an imperfect system. You don't like it. Don't punt.
You complaining will not change a thing. Except maybe have your number blocked and ignored.

[Thedogboy]

What's the point though?

You think n5M want's to cancel your appointment and not make money.

What's the alternative when the girl doesn't want to see you? How would you if you were management deal with it?

Force the girl to see you?
You think you were singled out? Believe me, it happens often.

Reverse is also true. Customer books. asks to see girl and cancels on her because he doesn't like what he sees.
- She now just blocked her books and didn't see customers only to now have no work.

The girls are more important than you. Girls are harder to come by. Punters won't dry out. It's a sellers market unfortunately.

Vote with your wallet.

Everyone is working with an imperfect system. You don't like it. Don't punt.
You complaining will not change a thing. Except maybe have your number blocked and ignored.


Cancel customer booking is not nice.
If the girl don't want to see the customer anymore they should let the customer know it's about respect customer.
Yes you should respect the WL if she don't want some customers but this is businesses.
Shops don't care about the girl for the girl they care for her because she make money for them.
So he have the right to complain I don't see what's the problem.
Another thing for me if the girl don't want to see me it's ok all good you won't see me again full respect and I go to somewhere else.

[Pattyherb]

Shops don't care about the girl for the girl they care for her because she make money for them.
.

100% my man.

So many white Knights saying theSE BUSINESSES are protective of their girls

BULLSHIT!!!!!!

[LuvKoreanPussy]

100% my man.

So many white Knights saying theSE BUSINESSES are protective of their girls

BULLSHIT!!!!!!


Cancel customer booking is not nice.
If the girl don't want to see the customer anymore they should let the customer know it's about respect customer.
Yes you should respect the WL if she don't want some customers but this is businesses.
Shops don't care about the girl for the girl they care for her because she make money for them.
So he have the right to complain I don't see what's the problem.
Another thing for me if the girl don't want to see me it's ok all good you won't see me again full respect and I go to somewhere else.

Finally. There's actually real punters here who can see where I am coming from and what I am saying from a fellow punter/customer's point of view

Other guys here will just blame the punter. Simp/white knight and defend the girls and the shops. And attack their fellow punters.

I'm just voicing and speaking out about my experience so that other bro's or potential customers making a booking are aware of what can happen

It doesn't matter who is at fault. If girl doesn't want to see me or she genuinely was sick and had to cancel.

All i am saying is, I book ahead. I try to get out of work early. Drive through an hour of Sydney peak hour traffic. Spend $25+ on the motorway tolls just to get to my booking on time. Then get told at arrival or when I'm already at the shops front door that my booking is cancelled

If this happened to you or anyone else here, you would rightfully be angry and very pissed off too.

[Pattyherb]

Finally. There's actually real punters here who can see where I am coming from and what I am saying from a fellow punter/customer's point of view

Other guys here will just blame the punter. Simp/white knight and defend the girls and the shops. And attack their fellow punters.

I'm just voicing and speaking out about my experience so that other bro's or potential customers making a booking are aware of what can happen

It doesn't matter who is at fault. If girl doesn't want to see me or she genuinely was sick and had to cancel.

All i am saying is, I book ahead. I try to get out of work early. Drive through an hour of Sydney peak hour traffic. Spend $25+ on the motorway tolls just to get to my booking on time. Then get told at arrival or when I'm already at the shops front door that my booking is cancelled

If this happened to you or anyone else here, you would rightfully be angry and very pissed off too.

I'm not defending all of your posts, just that these shops don't genuinely care about their WLs. If she died from a drug overdose and didn't show up the next day they would just replace her. Everything is money and they only do what is within their legal responsibility.

The reason your booking was probably cancelled is because she probably had another punter want her for an hour diamond service which equals more money and he probably tips. It sux but that's how it works, happened to me twice.

Even tho I have no idea what you look like, some girls reject men for other reasons: racially- indian because of hygiene, or a big lebanese bikie type with a bad attitude that is rough and abusive, or the client looks like jubba the hutt and she don't want that thing on top of her

I understand your frustration on time and travel costs but that is your business and not theirs. I suggest making punting a spare of the moment thing and when you are in the area, it's convenient and in the mood. No way I wouod drive 30mins after work straight to a punt, traffic is stressful and puts you off the mood. Another thing is, if the girl ain't smiling and energetic during the line up... don't bother.

I didn't know if the girl was genuinely sick in your case. But all these shops do is lie when it suits them, nothing can be done about it. However, they are a business and they do genuinely want your money and they would have accommodated with another girl.

[Abs90]

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[Pattyherb]

My gf has worked in most shops across Sydney and has only ever had problems with 206. So where are you getting your opinion from?

Wait! What?? Your gf?? LMFAO.

You're kidding right.?

[Thedogboy]

My gf has worked in most shops across Sydney and has only ever had problems with 206. So where are you getting your opinion from?


I feel sorry for you

[Abs90]

Wait! What?? Your gf?? LMFAO.

You're kidding right.?

No, why? You do realize most of these girls are in realationships, either have bfs of husbands. Most of the girls that get bumped up on page 1 of AR from a well known shop have kids lol

[Abs90]

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[Pattyherb]

You fantasize about girls feeding you fruit while giving you kisses, if anything I feel sorry for you

The only fantasy I have right now is to fuck the shop owner doggystyle with anal and pay extra for one of her workers to watch.

But na bro, seriously man I genuinely feel bad for you.

[Abs90]

100% my man.

So many white Knights saying theSE BUSINESSES are protective of their girls

BULLSHIT!!!!!!

So where are you getting this opinion from? As I said I kicked two Indians out last night.

[Pattyherb]

So where are you getting this opinion from? As I said I kicked two Indians out last night.

What's your shop? I'll come in this weekend, I promise I'm not indian

[Abs90]

What's your shop? I'll come in this weekend, I promise I'm not indian

Send me PM and I will tell you, look forward to meeting you.

[Pattyherb]

Send me PM and I will tell you, look forward to meeting you.

Pm sent..............hurry my lunch break.is almost over

[LuvKoreanPussy]

My gf has worked in most shops across Sydney and has only ever had problems with 206. So where are you getting your opinion from?

No, why? You do realize most of these girls are in realationships, either have bfs of husbands. Most of the girls that get bumped up on page 1 of AR from a well known shop have kids lol

LOL WTF. All these girls told me they were single?

And how can a guy live knowing his GF/Wife is having her her pussy eaten out, sucking dick, f*cked in many positions and getting her brains screwed out by multiple guys a day??

Its cuckoldry

[Thedogboy]

You fantasize about girls feeding you fruit while giving you kisses, if anything I feel sorry for you

Maybe she was your GF you never know.
My new fantasy is to be proud my GF is WL and I have very big balls to tell people is sex forum .
Sorry mate but you fail in your life.

[Pattyherb]

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[1inchguy]

Cancel customer booking is not nice.
If the girl don't want to see the customer anymore they should let the customer know it's about respect customer.
Yes you should respect the WL if she don't want some customers but this is businesses.
Shops don't care about the girl for the girl they care for her because she make money for them.
So he have the right to complain I don't see what's the problem.
Another thing for me if the girl don't want to see me it's ok all good you won't see me again full respect and I go to somewhere else.

Funny enough the other day i was seeing regular ml, she was thinking of quitting the shop cause of how the boss got annoyed at her and got ml upset cause she wasn't able to come in the next day. The boss made her fork out money to cover potential revenue lose which was about $300 for the day.
Whats interesting theres already 5 other girls working so so why was the boss upset one girl couldn't come, i don't think she's that popular but to hear this inside story is interesting.

[Pattyherb]

Funny enough the other day i was seeing regular ml, she was thinking of quitting the shop cause of how the boss got annoyed at her and got ml upset cause she wasn't able to come in the next day. The boss made her fork out money to cover potential revenue lose which was about $300 for the day.
Whats interesting theres already 5 other girls working so so why was the boss upset one girl couldn't come, i don't think she's that popular but to hear this inside story is interesting.

That's trafficking and extortion. I imagine she was a visa dodger or something alike, doing that to a legal worker woiod get your business shutdown, criminal charges and lawsuit.

You should pm the shop or name and shame cause that's bs

[Thedogboy]

Who the fuck are you to say shops don't care about girls? I already refused service to one indian guy last night because he asked if he can be rough with the girls and I kicked another Indian out half way through his booking because he was biting the girl and would not stop being a cunt towards her. Shops do care! Maybe not all but most do.

Hey mate i didn't say shops don't care about the girls you maybe go and read it again.
I say they care about the girls because this girls make money for the shop.
It's businesses like any business nothing wrong with that.
So let's say you have shop and no one visit one girl in the shop for long time you gonna let the girl stay or you gonna get another girl?
You can kick her and bring another girl.
That's normal it's businesses.
I hope you understand that.
And where is your shop anyway?

[1inchguy]

That's trafficking and extortion. I imagine she was a visa dodger or something alike, doing that to a legal worker woiod get your business shutdown, criminal charges and lawsuit.

You should pm the shop or name and shame cause that's bs

Oh wow, I didn't even think about that. Guess being naked while having a massage my head was in the clouds.
Then again this is hearsay, im not sure happening between the boss and ml or their business

[Pattyherb]

Oh wow, I didn't even think about that. Guess being naked while having a massage my head was in the clouds.
Then again this is hearsay, im not sure happening between the boss and ml or their business

Yea you're right. She could be making a sob story so you give her an extra pineapple

[Abs90]

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[username1]

So people calling you out for lying about seeing girls many many times and endangering them with fake BS is bullying? Like how IU took a break last year due to stress cause of your BS? Who's the bully now? Seeing how most of your account gets banned, I don't see how that's bullying. Why is the admin banning you ("ethical and respectful") instead of the forum bullies? Maybe aus99 admin is one of the bullies too? Huh

What Pattyherb said is fully correct (or at least for most shops), the shops don't ACTUALLY care about girls, they care about the girls STAYING in the shop. (Just like how some girls don't care about the shops reputation at all) Which is why they will never force any girl to see a customer they don't want to. (But I thought everyone already knows this? Not rocket science...) Like he said that doesn't mean this fact is defending you. Whether the shops care about girls or not, they accept girls not wanting to see some customers, which was the whole point? And that's what the shops "protecting" girls mean?
You can call everyone bullies/employees/simps whatever you want. Everyone initially tried to help you to understand, then you went on twisting words/not listening to anything and insisted that only your opinions are correct. Why do you expect anyone to listen to you or take you seriously anymore?
TBH I was more surprised at the amount of people defending N5M/sharing experiences. I thought N5M overall was far worse compared to Ginza (as I used to go Ginza most times I punted before), but you actually changed my mind after reading all other punters experiences.

I understand you are frustrated because you spent all your time there driving just to get the booking cancelled so you try to complain here (anyone would be, and it happens in any shops). You said N5M is going to lose precious customers and money but you also said you're still visiting there frequently? They probably wouldn't change in that case as they know you will come back anyways. What's in all this time-consuming for you?
I know I will get another essay of the same stuff you say over and over. Just think what you want, no one cares.

[Thedogboy]

That's trafficking and extortion. I imagine she was a visa dodger or something alike, doing that to a legal worker woiod get your business shutdown, criminal charges and lawsuit.

You should pm the shop or name and shame cause that's bs

Mate one time one my friend talk to WL he go to brothel to get massage only.
because it was to late and massage shops is closed.
Anyway when he talk with the WL he told me she almost cry and she say we get treated very bad and she don't like the work
she is forced to work because she have no other options.

[Pattyherb]

Mate one time one my friend talk to WL he go to brothel to get massage only.
because it was to late and massage shops is closed.
Anyway when he talk with the WL he told me she almost cry and she say we get treated very bad and she don't like the work
she is forced to work because she have no other options.

Wounds like a sob story to me to get more money. She is welcome to do an honest job like the rest of us like traffic control or something that pays good. If she is dodging her visa I understand but that's what she got herself into, maybe time to go back.

[banong]

I had similar experience when they cancelled booking at 42 they said the pussy hurts she had to go home, I didn't give a shit just pick another girl, all hole taste the same to me, we don't fk a virgin pussies however 2 years later I random picked then accidently choosed same girl by accident and remember her service. 🤷*♂️ she looks old and ugly now lol, girl working in brothel too long is bad idea

[11Bravo]

But y'all wouldnt be happy either if it happened to you and you were in my shoes
Hmmm. guess it's a good thing I always wear sandals, so comfortable, and no stinky socks in the room. :vomit:

Me, I'm of the worker-bee class. The bosses who took care of me, I was happy to be on their team. Those that didn't... well, I'd finish the task, but the job... nice thing about having a good rep, another team (with a good boss who appreciates good workers) would always, somehow, find a vacancy on his team. Don't think it's any different here. One regular changed shops. When asked why, the boss "too much yak-yak, here, the boss nice". Yea, it's business, but reciprocity goes a long way.

What's the old saying? Fool me once, shame on you. Fool me twice, shame on ME. You chose the travel time, that's NOT the shop's business. Do you care how long the girl has to travel to work (though I do appreciate when she messages me when she's running late (and reminding me to take an umbrella as it'll rain))?

SIDEBAR: Does the train union REALLY think they're doing the public a FAVOR with more job actions because the govt won't reimburse the public for the first job action? That's what I call adding insult to injury. GEESH.

I don't see any difference between:
You've made a booking.

Doctor: not an emergency. "Sorry, I'm a GP, you should go see a nose & throat specialist for your whining".
Auto mechanic: "Sorry, I really don't have time to look for that whining noise coming from you car".
Plumber: "Sorry, there's just too much shit in your basement, job not worth it to me".
Maitre de: "Sorry, your table was given to another. Would you like another table, or perhaps another evening?"

This attitude of entitlement because you happen to have a booking. Myself, I've ALWAYS understood that that's just a door, it takes MUTUAL consent to agree to the business transaction. Maybe that's due to my international education, BG's and BFL's. Just because I've PAID to enter the bar, doesn't mean I get my choice. It's mutual consent. Think some would have a stroke when she says ["No thank you" | just plain ass ignores you]. What?!? I'm not the center of the universe?!? Blasphemy! As another has said, I agree, I see no difference when a punter reneges on his booking / when she reneges on his booking.

Freedom of Choice - for me, a 2-way street, but for some, seems to be 1-way. If THIS is your biggest gripe in life, then you're a lucky man. While persistence is a virtue in some cases, in others, it just makes you look like a fool (or so says the Despair company).

[Double_Adapter]

Fuck! This thread is still doing the rounds. Being bitter and twisted about life or the difficulty of finding a decent root won't solve anything. Blokes be complaining about everything from the weather, to scrupulous Chinese boilers, to fake photos, fake reviews, fake rosters, fake nationalities, prices increasing, bookings not being honoured, last minute cancellations with no valid reason given, having to drive 30mins to find a decent root, shitty traffic, lack of parking, punter extending his session and fucking up your booking, and finally the polarising 'No Indian' policy.

Life is not fair and that is a fact, we just gotta accept it, get over it and keep it moving. No matter how hard you think life is treating you, or why life has dealt you a shitty hand, remember there's always some poor cunt doing it tougher and in a worse situation than you.

So before you have a dummy spit over a sexy Korean chick who cancelled your booking at the eleventh hour because she thought you look Indian, spare a thought for the elephant man; how many times do you think the cunt got rejected by chicks? Or maybe next time you wanna whinge about Sydney trains and our transport system spare a thought for the bros doing it tough in the sub continent.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BqQ372uQ3RE

[Axeman123]

Hope all those fuckers aren't on their way to the Australian Consulate.

[vitamin]

Cancel customer booking is not nice.
If the girl don't want to see the customer anymore they should let the customer know it's about respect customer.
Yes you should respect the WL if she don't want some customers but this is businesses.
Shops don't care about the girl for the girl they care for her because she make money for them.
So he have the right to complain I don't see what's the problem.
Another thing for me if the girl don't want to see me it's ok all good you won't see me again full respect and I go to somewhere else.

Stop talking shit.

It's hard to get good quality girls. If you don't look out for them and make them happy.
They leave. They all talk. So pretty soon you won't have any girls working for you.

Kind of hard to run a brothel without girls.

Entitled fucks like you are dime a dozen. The shops won't miss your business trust me.

The reason they care obviously is that the girls make them money. But girls are human also. You make them unhappy. They leave. Your shop has shit clientele they leave. Your shop don't give them enough customers they leave.

The shops want to keep good customers happy. Shitheads who whinge and have a spat on forums. You honestly think n5m is starving of customers?

Girls ban customers all the time. You just know it as. She's full In your booking request.

[Thedogboy]

Stop talking shit.

It's hard to get good quality girls. If you don't look out for them and make them happy.
They leave. They all talk. So pretty soon you won't have any girls working for you.

Kind of hard to run a brothel without girls.

Entitled fucks like you are dime a dozen. The shops won't miss your business trust me.

The reason they care obviously is that the girls make them money. But girls are human also. You make them unhappy. They leave. Your shop has shit clientele they leave. Your shop don't give them enough customers they leave.

The shops want to keep good customers happy. Shitheads who whinge and have a spat on forums. You honestly think n5m is starving of customers?

Girls ban customers all the time. You just know it as. She's full In your booking request.

What's your problem!!!
I didn't say anything wrong if I booked and my booked canceled with no reason this is ( disrespect) for me and for my time.
That's didn't happened to me but if happened I don't complain I just don't come again.
What's wrong in this!?!??!?!?!?!
Anyway I don't have to argue in this.

[11Bravo]

I didn't say anything wrong if I booked and my booked canceled with no reason this is ( disrespect) for me and for my time.

Why is "everyone" (well, a few) saying "canceled with NO reason". There's ALWAYS a reason: booking lost, double booking, provider not on-site, provider not available, provider doesn't want to see you, etc., etc. ... It's just that the shop might not want to tell you the reason. So? Maybe the shop doesn't want to admit their own mistake. Maybe they're unsure of how well you'll take the reason; seems some (not saying you (2nd person singular)) might throw a temper tantrum and a hissy fit. It's not like they're saying you have terminal cancer with only a week to live. Not a perfect world. PERSPECTIVE.

I've had bookings screwed up, booking canceled. Just time for Plan B, secondary target. My latest "canceled" booking? Arrived to find the girl busy; would have to wait 30 minutes. I just figured she'd tried to squeeze another booking in. Yea, I looked at my messages: there was my booking request, her confirmation... ... ... for LAST week. I'd forgotten to make the booking for THIS week. Damages? I had to walk into the shop with all her colleagues GRINNING - they knew EXACTLY what had happened. I apologized, she smiled... life's not perfect; I'm certainly not.

Happens once, or OCCASIONALLY, I'd return. No need to cut off your nose to spite your face.

Now, if it happens repeatedly, FFS, learn to read the room.

And the way some people whine, I can certainly see why they are persona non grata.

[vitamin]

What's your problem!!!
I didn't say anything wrong if I booked and my booked canceled with no reason this is ( disrespect) for me and for my time.
That's didn't happened to me but if happened I don't complain I just don't come again.
What's wrong in this!?!??!?!?!?!
Anyway I don't have to argue in this.

Your right. My tone was a bit harsh. My apologies. Was frustrated at something completely different when I was writing previous comment.

But that being said. I Didn't have a problem with you saying

That's didn't happened to me but if happened I don't complain I just don't come again.
you absolutely have a right to vote with your wallet. I do this all the time. When I get catfishes or get told girls available come see line up, rock up and they had 1 girl whos old. Wasted my time. I don't come and make a rant about it to try and hurt someone's business.
Some shops struggle. It's a tough industry when you're not on top. Sometimes they resort to these shitty practices. I get it. But I don't go on a soap box and yell it to the world. Just vote with wallet.


What I had a problem with is you saying.

Shops don't care about the girl for the girl they care for her because she make money for them.
- Shops absolutely care for their girls. when they treat girls right. They get more girls.
Like a business which values their good employees more than their shitty customers.

You believe a girl just refuses work and money for shits and giggles? To mess with a punters because they want to?

They don't cancel on you for "NO REASON"
At N5M
Girls see you on monitor. when you ring the bell and when you wait.
Maybe they don't like what they see.
Maybe girl had rough customer before you and not in mood
maybe girl got pounded hard and is sore and wants a break.

There's never "cancel on you for no reason"

What do you think would happen if management forces a girl to see a customer? or penalize them with a fine of say 50-100 when they cancel a customer booking?
They just go different shop.

You think some super popular girl who knows her worth would put up with that shit? or just move shops?
Believe me Shops care more about girls then their punters.

If a girl refuses to see a punter (because he's the type girls don't want to see). and they get pissed off and never come. probably better off. If shop weeds down these punters and retain good clean nice punters. girls happy. girls like work, better girls in future. punters happy. better girls WIN WIN.

That being said. Some of these girls don't have the best work ethics either.
I've whiteness a girl who had 3 bookings later at night
But dead quite for first 4 hours of the day. 0 customers pick her. And she got her stuff to leave.
Management begged her to stay. So sometimes Management fight for punters also.

OP was just not Asian. Most likely he was canceled because of that. They probably thought he was Mexican or something. and said NUP


If the girl don't want to see the customer anymore they should let the customer know it's about respect customer.

Girls don't get a full load out of your profile the moment you book. You are a a faceless anonymous until they see you ring the bell.

Then depending on your looks, style, race. They may decline. They have a right to. You CAN'T force them to see you.

[personaa]

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[LuvKoreanPussy]

So people calling you out for lying about seeing girls many many times and endangering them with fake BS is bullying? Like how IU took a break last year due to stress cause of your BS? Who's the bully now? Seeing how most of your account gets banned, I don't see how that's bullying. Why is the admin banning you ("ethical and respectful") instead of the forum bullies? Maybe aus99 admin is one of the bullies too? Huh

What Pattyherb said is fully correct (or at least for most shops), the shops don't ACTUALLY care about girls, they care about the girls STAYING in the shop. (Just like how some girls don't care about the shops reputation at all) Which is why they will never force any girl to see a customer they don't want to. (But I thought everyone already knows this? Not rocket science...) Like he said that doesn't mean this fact is defending you. Whether the shops care about girls or not, they accept girls not wanting to see some customers, which was the whole point? And that's what the shops "protecting" girls mean?
You can call everyone bullies/employees/simps whatever you want. Everyone initially tried to help you to understand, then you went on twisting words/not listening to anything and insisted that only your opinions are correct. Why do you expect anyone to listen to you or take you seriously anymore?
TBH I was more surprised at the amount of people defending N5M/sharing experiences. I thought N5M overall was far worse compared to Ginza (as I used to go Ginza most times I punted before), but you actually changed my mind after reading all other punters experiences.

I understand you are frustrated because you spent all your time there driving just to get the booking cancelled so you try to complain here (anyone would be, and it happens in any shops). You said N5M is going to lose precious customers and money but you also said you're still visiting there frequently? They probably wouldn't change in that case as they know you will come back anyways. What's in all this time-consuming for you?
I know I will get another essay of the same stuff you say over and over. Just think what you want, no one cares.

Yes I read other guys got cancelled on as well I see.

I thought it was just me getting singled out, getting played and cancelled on by these shops & girls

I should stop being Menace. I think I should just take it on the chin and move on. And just see my regulars who will see me and won't cancel

[keebab]

Yes I read other guys got cancelled on as well I see.

I thought it was just me getting singled out, getting played and cancelled on by these shops & girls

I should stop being Menace. I think I should just take it on the chin and move on. And just see my regulars who will see me and won't cancel

I don't think you should give up. This is obviously important to you.

If you're not going to take the lawsuit seriously, I'd look at options like ACA; they love checking in on dodgy operators. Failing that, getting published in the Sun Herald might give you issue more visibility. Or you could head outside and shake your fists at the clouds.

Good luck, good speed.

[username1]

I don't think you should give up. This is obviously important to you.

If you're not going to take the lawsuit seriously, I'd look at options like ACA; they love checking in on dodgy operators. Failing that, getting published in the Sun Herald might give you issue more visibility. Or you could head outside and shake your fists at the clouds.

Good luck, good speed.

HAHAHAHAHAHA I'm still waiting for the paragraphs of complaints on Twitter/Instagram/"Big American Companies" etc that he went on about too!!
mn69 bro don't worry, the WL you attacked (that you keep ignoring when mentioned) moved on too! She was put in real life danger because of you but is still living and still very popular! If she can move on, I'm sure you can too.

[Thedogboy]

Why is "everyone" (well, a few) saying "canceled with NO reason". There's ALWAYS a reason: booking lost, double booking, provider not on-site, provider not available, provider doesn't want to see you, etc., etc. ... It's just that the shop might not want to tell you the reason. So? Maybe the shop doesn't want to admit their own mistake. Maybe they're unsure of how well you'll take the reason; seems some (not saying you (2nd person singular)) might throw a temper tantrum and a hissy fit. It's not like they're saying you have terminal cancer with only a week to live. Not a perfect world. PERSPECTIVE.

I've had bookings screwed up, booking canceled. Just time for Plan B, secondary target. My latest "canceled" booking? Arrived to find the girl busy; would have to wait 30 minutes. I just figured she'd tried to squeeze another booking in. Yea, I looked at my messages: there was my booking request, her confirmation... ... ... for LAST week. I'd forgotten to make the booking for THIS week. Damages? I had to walk into the shop with all her colleagues GRINNING - they knew EXACTLY what had happened. I apologized, she smiled... life's not perfect; I'm certainly not.

Happens once, or OCCASIONALLY, I'd return. No need to cut off your nose to spite your face.

Now, if it happens repeatedly, FFS, learn to read the room.

And the way some people whine, I can certainly see why they are persona non grata.

The way you write I hope to reach this level one day.

If my booking was delayed by 30 minutes when I arrived.
Baby, wait for me; I will come quickly.
OK, no problem, I will wait.
I waited 40 minutes; she arrived and said sorry.
The service she provided that night was very good; perhaps it was an apology?
I was very happy, and she seemed happy.
I don't mind if this happened, as you say (it's not a perfect world).

[Thedogboy]

Your right. My tone was a bit harsh. My apologies. Was frustrated at something completely different when I was writing previous comment.

But that being said. I Didn't have a problem with you saying

you absolutely have a right to vote with your wallet. I do this all the time. When I get catfishes or get told girls available come see line up, rock up and they had 1 girl whos old. Wasted my time. I don't come and make a rant about it to try and hurt someone's business.
Some shops struggle. It's a tough industry when you're not on top. Sometimes they resort to these shitty practices. I get it. But I don't go on a soap box and yell it to the world. Just vote with wallet.


What I had a problem with is you saying.

- Shops absolutely care for their girls. when they treat girls right. They get more girls.
Like a business which values their good employees more than their shitty customers.

You believe a girl just refuses work and money for shits and giggles? To mess with a punters because they want to?

They don't cancel on you for "NO REASON"
At N5M
Girls see you on monitor. when you ring the bell and when you wait.
Maybe they don't like what they see.
Maybe girl had rough customer before you and not in mood
maybe girl got pounded hard and is sore and wants a break.

There's never "cancel on you for no reason"

What do you think would happen if management forces a girl to see a customer? or penalize them with a fine of say 50-100 when they cancel a customer booking?
They just go different shop.

You think some super popular girl who knows her worth would put up with that shit? or just move shops?
Believe me Shops care more about girls then their punters.

If a girl refuses to see a punter (because he's the type girls don't want to see). and they get pissed off and never come. probably better off. If shop weeds down these punters and retain good clean nice punters. girls happy. girls like work, better girls in future. punters happy. better girls WIN WIN.

That being said. Some of these girls don't have the best work ethics either.
I've whiteness a girl who had 3 bookings later at night
But dead quite for first 4 hours of the day. 0 customers pick her. And she got her stuff to leave.
Management begged her to stay. So sometimes Management fight for punters also.

OP was just not Asian. Most likely he was canceled because of that. They probably thought he was Mexican or something. and said NUP



Girls don't get a full load out of your profile the moment you book. You are a a faceless anonymous until they see you ring the bell.

Then depending on your looks, style, race. They may decline. They have a right to. You CAN'T force them to see you.

I agree with you mate.
One thing when I say with no reason I was wrong to say if I mean with no reasonable reason.
Yes they cant force any girl to the work if she not in the mood or very tired.
The past week I visit shop i see in there roster they have new girl and I give it a try.
She was good .... after we finished she told me that sometimes iam to exhausted I can't welcome any customer even if they are nice for the rest of the day.
So yes you are right.
But remember if this go out of control the shop gonna lost money.
Full respect to you and have a good day.

[LuvKoreanPussy]

I agree with you mate.
One thing when I say with no reason I was wrong to say if I mean with no reasonable reason.
Yes they cant force any girl to the work if she not in the mood or very tired.
The past week I visit shop i see in there roster they have new girl and I give it a try.
She was good .... after we finished she told me that sometimes iam to exhausted I can't welcome any customer even if they are nice for the rest of the day.
So yes you are right.
But remember if this go out of control the shop gonna lost money.
Full respect to you and have a good day.
I agree with this. While its fine and a girl has a "Right" to refuse customers and see who she wants.

But if the girl is too picky and refuses to see every customer, then the shop will lose money.

Like what is the point of her working at the shop and being rostered her on if she is not going to see anyone 555

[11Bravo]

I agree with this. While its fine and a girl has a "Right" to refuse customers and see who she wants.
You keep saying this, but it seems you DO take exception when her exception is YOU.


But if the girl is too picky and refuses to see every customer, then the shop will lose money.
But she's not refusing to see EVERY customer, she's only refusing to see {some} customers, where you are a member of {some}.


Like what is the point of her working at the shop and being rostered her on if she is not going to see anyone 555
You keep repeating, so I keep repeating: she is seeing {some} customers, but you are NOT a member of that {some}.

A girl is there to make money, I'm sure she is. Just NOT from you.

[LuvKoreanPussy]

You keep saying this, but it seems you DO take exception when her exception is YOU.


But she's not refusing to see EVERY customer, she's only refusing to see {some} customers, where you are a member of {some}.


You keep repeating, so I keep repeating: she is seeing {some} customers, but you are NOT a member of that {some}.

A girl is there to make money, I'm sure she is. Just NOT from you.
I see what you mean brother. She probably "excluded" me. I get it. Its not about me though...

This is not some Elite Free-Mason's / P.Diddy exclusive VIP party club where you need to be vetted by the top celebs and most powerful people in the world to join.

Were just talking about some Hooker here working at a FS shop

Every customer the girl refuses and cancels is a loss of income for the shop. Its all about cash flow for these businesses. They don't give a shit if a girl likes a customer or not. They just want the girl to work and make money for them.

From the business/shop's point of view, its a loss of income. For the girl its personal. But the shop don't give a shit. Its business for them. For me, I don't give a shit if the girl likes me either. I'm just there to pay, f*ck then leave. Its not supposed to be personal. Its Business. This IS Business

[ricki]

I see what you mean brother. She probably "excluded" me. I get it. Its not about me though...

This is not some Elite Free-Mason's / P.Diddy exclusive VIP party club where you need to be vetted by the top celebs and most powerful people in the world to join.

Were just talking about some Hooker here working at a FS shop

Every customer the girl refuses and cancels is a loss of income for the shop. Its all about cash flow for these businesses. They don't give a shit if a girl likes a customer or not. They just want the girl to work and make money for them.

From the business/shop's point of view, its a loss of income. For the girl its personal. But the shop don't give a shit. Its business for them. For me, I don't give a shit if the girl likes me either. I'm just there to pay, f*ck then leave. Its not supposed to be personal. Its Business. This IS Business

Well clearly it looks like you care if the girl likes you or not. If she liked you she would have seen you but here is the twist she doesn't now it may come as a shocking surprise but hey what can we do besides complain about how the shops, girls,us punters and the government who are losing money over this stupid shit. It's like an Indian guy booking a No Indian WL and then ranting about how the girl rejected him because he was Indian. He keeps saying it's business and the goes and cry about how some Hooker working at FS shop as he mentioned refused to see him. And now don't get the bright idea of getting a new number and booking the same girl just to get rejected when you get to the shop like the hundredth time, cause I can't deal with stupid thread like this anymore.

[LuvKoreanPussy]

Well clearly it looks like you care if the girl likes you or not. If she liked you she would have seen you but here is the twist she doesn't now it may come as a shocking surprise but hey what can we do besides complain about how the shops, girls,us punters and the government who are losing money over this stupid shit. It's like an Indian guy booking a No Indian WL and then ranting about how the girl rejected him because he was Indian. He keeps saying it's business and the goes and cry about how some Hooker working at FS shop as he mentioned refused to see him. And now don't get the bright idea of getting a new number and booking the same girl just to get rejected when you get to the shop like the hundredth time, cause I can't deal with stupid thread like this anymore.

If you don't like the thread, then don't read it 555

All I'm saying is, this should not be complicated. It should not matter who the girl likes. But these girls complicate it by getting their feelings involved

There should not be any feelings here. It is a business. We just pay, f*ck then leave. These girls ain't my GF/wife. These are hookers were talkng about. It should be as easy as booking, arriving. Then wham, baam, thank you maam

You think people care if Apple staff like you when they sell you the new iPhones. Its Business

[Daffy]

If you don't like the thread, then don't read it 555

All I'm saying is, this should not be complicated. It should not matter who the girl likes. But these girls complicate it by getting their feelings involved

There should not be any feelings here. It is a business. We just pay, f*ck then leave. These girls ain't my GF/wife. These are hookers were talkng about. It should be as easy as booking, arriving. Then wham, baam, thank you maam

You think people care if Apple staff like you when they sell you the new iPhones. Its Business

Except not all business is the same. I’ve got plenty of mates in construction that will not take any jobs from lawyers because they never pay on time/weasel out of paying. It’s not worth their time.

Also have friends that used to be working girls that would absolutely refuse clients because they are rough or aggressive or smoke or just plain hard work. Girls want to come in and do their job without the headfuck of dealing with customers that constantly want to push boundaries.

Same thing with my work in hospo. Some people aren’t worth the effort and it’s better in the end to just get rid of them. These people aren’t good customers if they are carrying on and upsetting your staff. And the problems they cause with staff cost you money as replacing a good staff member is much harder than replacing a deadbeat customer.

[Jack-Jack]

I agree with this. While its fine and a girl has a "Right" to refuse customers and see who she wants.

But if the girl is too picky and refuses to see every customer, then the shop will lose money.

Like what is the point of her working at the shop and being rostered her on if she is not going to see anyone 555


You keep saying this, but it seems you DO take exception when her exception is YOU.


But she's not refusing to see EVERY customer, she's only refusing to see {some} customers, where you are a member of {some}.


You keep repeating, so I keep repeating: she is seeing {some} customers, but you are NOT a member of that {some}.

A girl is there to make money, I'm sure she is. Just NOT from you.

I agree with BRAVO -- how do u know if she is refusing to see "every" customer?

And even if she is that hers choice - her body her choice she can refuse if she likes

If shes not getting enough customers due to refusing ppl (again her choice) she can chose to leave the shop or shop can give her the boot - end of the day thats up to the girl and the shop

still dont see how any of this has to do with who and how many ppl the girl refuses to see other than u still holding a grudge that either the girl or shop refused to see you....

bro u know what why dont you just say who the girl was that rejected you or said no to ur booking when u arrived but u saw her working and was not "sick"

Probly one of the punters here is her regular and can ask her for u and end the mystery once and for all as to why she refuse to see you so we can put this to bed and be done with it .....

[Jack-Jack]

I see what you mean brother. She probably "excluded" me. I get it. Its not about me though...

This is not some Elite Free-Mason's / P.Diddy exclusive VIP party club where you need to be vetted by the top celebs and most powerful people in the world to join.

Were just talking about some Hooker here working at a FS shop

Every customer the girl refuses and cancels is a loss of income for the shop. Its all about cash flow for these businesses. They don't give a shit if a girl likes a customer or not. They just want the girl to work and make money for them.

From the business/shop's point of view, its a loss of income. For the girl its personal. But the shop don't give a shit. Its business for them. For me, I don't give a shit if the girl likes me either. I'm just there to pay, f*ck then leave. Its not supposed to be personal. Its Business. This IS Business

so now ur resorting to shaming her and name calling with derogatory terms like a hooker?

True as that may be but dont sound like ur a gentleman or respectful customer if ur gonna turn around and go calling her a hooker cos she wont see "you" ...

and again whether its the loss of income for girl or shop - thats up to them ...

as many others have pointed out above - they do give a shit thats why they have the cameras and girls can see the waiting room? -- or you are so blinded by the hate and spite you have forgotten or missed the memo?

judgin from this thread u started and ur posts that go on and on it certainly does seem like it is about u... LOL

as for ur comment on pay fuck leave -- doesnt seem like ur able to just leave and let this go....

[Jack-Jack]

Well clearly it looks like you care if the girl likes you or not. If she liked you she would have seen you but here is the twist she doesn't now it may come as a shocking surprise but hey what can we do besides complain about how the shops, girls,us punters and the government who are losing money over this stupid shit. It's like an Indian guy booking a No Indian WL and then ranting about how the girl rejected him because he was Indian. He keeps saying it's business and the goes and cry about how some Hooker working at FS shop as he mentioned refused to see him. And now don't get the bright idea of getting a new number and booking the same girl just to get rejected when you get to the shop like the hundredth time, cause I can't deal with stupid thread like this anymore.

ahahahaaha it seem quite logical what the issue and solution is huh?

Yet everyday LKP just posts and replies to this and others that have told him the same thing ie its the girls choice and to just move on but here we are

[Jack-Jack]

If you don't like the thread, then don't read it 555

All I'm saying is, this should not be complicated. It should not matter who the girl likes. But these girls complicate it by getting their feelings involved

There should not be any feelings here. It is a business. We just pay, f*ck then leave. These girls ain't my GF/wife. These are hookers were talkng about. It should be as easy as booking, arriving. Then wham, baam, thank you maam

You think people care if Apple staff like you when they sell you the new iPhones. Its Business

ahahahahaha it sounds like u got more feelings invested into this than the girl who simply said "yea nope" not seeing him baam wham done wait for my next booking LOL

This thread got started on 31 Jan with ur alias account and almost a month later u still cant get over it

U wanna use ur apple example? -- its like a poorly dressed bad hygiene person walks into an apple store

they wont refuse to sell u the iphone but u might be wondering around the shop for a long long time and go hmmmm why are people avoiding me and no one wants to come serve me?

Or oh that guy or that chick seems hot let me go chat them up and have them explain to me the specs of the iphone.... they (APPLE) WILL NOT refuse to sell u an iphone but even the working staff have the right to walk away or pretend they dont see u cos they dont wont to serve u

same goes for an arrogant prick whos condescending, arrogant and belittling.... they might be decked out in designer brands and hold platinum cards but doesnt mean all staff will want to serve them

again its the staffs choice to say sorry im helping this customer let me get someone else to help you - APPLE is NOT refusing to sell u the iphone but just gotta wait around until another staff is willing to serve u

U get the point? Its ur money so walk with ur wallet be that the shop or the girl they dont want ur business then move on and pick or go somewhere else

[secret0]

If you don't like the thread, then don't read it 555

All I'm saying is, this should not be complicated. It should not matter who the girl likes. But these girls complicate it by getting their feelings involved

There should not be any feelings here. It is a business. We just pay, f*ck then leave. These girls ain't my GF/wife. These are hookers were talkng about. It should be as easy as booking, arriving. Then wham, baam, thank you maam

You think people care if Apple staff like you when they sell you the new iPhones. Its Business

http://www.aus99forum.com/showthread.php?139570-Ginza-threesome&p=3336211&viewfull=1#post3336211


You guys got cancelled on as well I see.

I thought it was just me getting singled out, getting played and cancelled on by these shops & girls

I should stop being Menace. I'll just take it on the chin and move on. And just see my regulars who will see me and won't cancel


I did self reflect. I honestly don't know. If I knew, I would not be ranting on here. I'm never rough and always ask the girl for permission for everything. All I can think of is maybe racial or a size thing as someone mentioned before. As these beautiful Asian girls are all very tiny and petite. And maybe I made her sore after by accident because of the size difference.

I wish the shops and the girls would tell the reason why. As first time I seen the girl, she seems like everything is going well, she's happy. Even at the end, says hope to see you again next time with a big hug & kiss. Then 2nd time I try to book her, BOOM, I get hit with a "she cancelled" text.

I don't know if its "Asian culture" where the girl doesn't want to say to my face if theres a problem. Then just decides not to see me anymore behind my back. As a Westerner, I just prefer if I get told directly to my face if theres a problem.

At least I know if its a problem I can't do anyhing about, like size or race.
Or if its something I can fix and work on.

Mate, you were so close, but you keep falling back into these bad habits of lashing out (at the girls, the shops, and even people here).

So let's get down to the reason: you don't know why you got cancelled on.
The point is, you'll never know the reason.
Like I've said, I've been cancelled on too. Most of the time I got a reason ('she's sick', 'she cancelled for the whole day', etc), other times no reason, just that my booking was cancelled.
Like I've said, some of the girls have told me the reasons too (they were sick, life things happened, etc). Others haven't or just basics (I only tend to ask if they're alright, especially if they cancelled before because they were sick). And some I never ended up seeing.

For the ones who have shared, I'm very appreciative they trusted me.
The shops have told me someone cancelled the whole day, and I can see she's not on the roster anymore.
I've seen quite a few comments here about how WLs have told them about horrible customers they've had.
For the ones who haven't told me anything, I totally understand, knowing there are scumbags out there.

And you know what - it could also be that at any point, someone could be lying or not telling the whole truth.
Which makes sense, right? These WLs can be put in very vulnerable positions - they can be seriously hurt.
So I don't begrudge them anything if they don't tell me anything, or don't want to see me - they are trying to protect themselves.
And the same for if they have customers they don't want to see again.


All I'm saying is, this should not be complicated. It should not matter who the girl likes. But these girls complicate it by getting their feelings involved

You're right, it's not at all complicated: the girls get to see whoever they want. That's the business. That's their right.
If they lose money, that's their right.
It's not about whether they 'like' someone. It's whether or not they'll get hurt. Whether because the guy's dick is too big, or he's rough, or she thinks he might be rough, or because ...she doesn't like the way he dresses?
They are service providers, and they have the right to refuse service. Why are you trying to get around their rights?
Yes, they are probably losing out on money. But that's their choice.

Why do you keep saying they should be forced to see customers when they don't want to? That's their right.
Why do you keep saying that they have poor work ethic and the shops should fire them, when it seems they are not seeing certain customers to protect themselves, and the shops haven't fired them, so they're fine with it anyway? Why do you get to dictate what happens to them, when it seems everyone else is fine with them exercising their freedoms and rights?
Why do you keep disrespecting these 'beautiful and exotic women' constantly?

It seems you keep getting your feelings involved?
You know, there was a post late last year about a guy who fell in love with a WL. To the point he came here asking for advice, because the WL went out of her way to tell him directly, that she didn't want to see him anymore or for him to visit the shop, because she could tell how he felt.
He told the forum this, and asked what he should do.
For the ones who took it seriously (because there's the obvious chance it was a troll/fake post), they told him, she already told him what to do: leave her the fuck alone. She said it as nicely as possible, but he couldn't get it in his head that he should leave her alone.
Imagine if he kept going to that shop to try and see her. The stress she would be put under. The possibility of him actually physically lashing out at the shop staff, the girl herself, and others there. What if he had brought a weapon?
That's the possible reality some of these people have to deal with.
Because there are actual psychos out there.
Sure, it could just be 'Asian culture' as you say (don't know why you would bring race into this - pretty sure avoidance of unpleasant things is universal), but it could also be that a girl doesn't want to be physically attacked by some unhinged lunatic.

If a WL - hell if anyone did anything in their power to stop something like that happening to them, I wouldn't begrudge them at all if they ghosted, or lied, or changed names or locations.

But do you see where you kind of fit into all this?
You're the one attacking the girls and the shops.
That's just not on.


Its not about me though...
Were just talking about some Hooker here working at a FS shop
Every customer the girl refuses and cancels is a loss of income for the shop. Its all about cash flow for these businesses. They don't give a shit if a girl likes a customer or not. They just want the girl to work and make money for them.
From the business/shop's point of view, its a loss of income. For the girl its personal. But the shop don't give a shit. Its business for them. For me, I don't give a shit if the girl likes me either. I'm just there to pay, f*ck then leave. Its not supposed to be personal. Its Business. This IS Business

You don't know why they cancelled on you.
Sure, you've lost out on time and petrol, but not money, as they can refuse anyone's service.
Everyone else here has said they've also had cancellations. They either stop going, or keep going. Also their choice.
If you have a complaint about the shop, any shop: take it up with them. Report them to the ACCC or whatever. That's a business matter. Maybe make an itemised list on toll charges and petrol so they can check it against an invoice. Who knows - you might have a case for partial reimbursement for travel?
But everyone else here has said their piece, just as you have.
Everyone has made their choice about the shop on whether they'll ever go back or not.
No need to bring it up ever again.
Make your choice: either keep going, or never give them your business again. We don't need to know. Let your money do the talking.

When it comes to the girls - you keep saying you 'have the utmost respect' for them, but also have no issues denigrating them, making fun and light of them suffering mentally and physically, and also tend to insinuate they've provided services to you that they have been listed as not providing at all (and that others have also vouched that they don't provide).
That sounds personal.
I don't know why you have been targeting specific girls.
Whether they have been the ones to cancel on you, whether you've actually ever met them or not, or you pick them at random.
None of that really matters: just fucking stop. Stop mentioning them. Stop targeting them.
If you have seen them, and want to share an AR... don't. The ones you have written seem to be the summaries/amalgamations of all other ARs of them. You add nothing new or updated or any details.
If you have seen them, just keep it to yourself. Have yourself a hidden gem. It's okay, we understand.
No need to PM others either, as it seems the information you have is already on the open forum.
Just don't go spreading lies and hate on your little personal vendetta, when you should just move on and walk away.
Because you could be responsible (directly or indirectly) for getting people actually hurt.
And that'd be fucked up.

There really is no need for you to comment.
You make the same points over and over again.
Whether people agree or disagree with you, you still reiterate the same things, so there's no need for you to comment.
You should just move on.
Other things you say are either nonsense, self-contradictory, or things other people have already said, so there's no need for you to comment.
You should just move on.
If you do get cancelled on again, or never go back to a certain shop, that's between you and the shop, so there's no need for you to comment.
You've said it's business, so treat it as business.
You should just move on.

Do a little bit more self-reflecting, as you've said you've done.
Realise you are the menace.
So stop, and just move on.

[dewayne]

That's a good reply and he needs to read and digest every word of it. But I suspect he's too far gone the way he keeps it up. Have to wonder how he treats all the women in his life, not just WLs.

[Fezco]

If you don't like the thread, then don't read it 555

All I'm saying is, this should not be complicated. It should not matter who the girl likes. But these girls complicate it by getting their feelings involved

There should not be any feelings here. It is a business. We just pay, f*ck then leave. These girls ain't my GF/wife. These are hookers were talkng about. It should be as easy as booking, arriving. Then wham, baam, thank you maam

You think people care if Apple staff like you when they sell you the new iPhones. Its Business

Gee so much respect for these girls. And you wonder why they don't wanna see you.

[Thedogboy]

It's like an Indian guy booking a No Indian WL and then ranting about how the girl rejected him because he was Indian. He keeps saying it's business and the goes and cry about how some Hooker working at FS shop as he mentioned refused to see him.

Like if you get rejected to get FS even with money that's probably mean there something wrong about you.
You have to think why she accept everyone and you get rejected.

So if you can't even hook with WL what about your life outside this fantasy punting world?
I believe some people complain about things like this to just feel bteer.
If you get rejected don't embarrass yourself here on the forum and cry no one give a fuck about you here it's fucking sex forum.

Sometimes I visit random girls with no booking treat them will with respect and I get very good service and one of them give me CIM with no extra:).
when I was shitty guy with no manners they don't even let me kiss lol.

So if you get rejected it's because you are not good don't blame the girl just work on your self.
Be gentleman be respected be nice and you won't get rejected.

I've seen some Indian visit some shops and seriously they look like shit I feel disgusted when I see them.

Iam not talking about you mate talking in general about the guys crying about rejected.

[ricki]

Like if you get rejected to get FS even with money that's probably mean there something wrong about you.
You have to think why she accept everyone and you get rejected.

So if you can't even hook with WL what about your life outside this fantasy punting world?
I believe some people complain about things like this to just feel bteer.
If you get rejected don't embarrass yourself here on the forum and cry no one give a fuck about you here it's fucking sex forum.

Sometimes I visit random girls with no booking treat them will with respect and I get very good service and one of them give me CIM with no extra:).
when I was shitty guy with no manners they don't even let me kiss lol.

So if you get rejected it's because you are not good don't blame the girl just work on your self.
Be gentleman be respected be nice and you won't get rejected.

I've seen some Indian visit some shops and seriously they look like shit I feel disgusted when I see them.

Iam not talking about you mate talking in general about the guys crying about rejected.

Yup that's the thing about these type of people. One rejection and they feel like the whole world has turned against them. Like c'mon we ain't no saint we are paying to have sex if the ladies don't like you choose a different one and if none of the ladies in that shop like you choose another shop that's supposed to be the beauty of it when you are paying.

[LuvKoreanPussy]

so now ur resorting to shaming her and name calling with derogatory terms like a hooker?

True as that may be but dont sound like ur a gentleman or respectful customer if ur gonna turn around and go calling her a hooker cos she wont see "you" ...

and again whether its the loss of income for girl or shop - thats up to them ...

as many others have pointed out above - they do give a shit thats why they have the cameras and girls can see the waiting room? -- or you are so blinded by the hate and spite you have forgotten or missed the memo?

judgin from this thread u started and ur posts that go on and on it certainly does seem like it is about u... LOL

as for ur comment on pay fuck leave -- doesnt seem like ur able to just leave and let this go....

Lets take personal things out of this and talk purely numbers.

It may not seem like much if you isolate me as a single customer being cancelled on. 1 customer may not seem like much

But say in a week, a girl may cancel on 5 potential customers as she is picky and may not like all of her customers.
Thats 5 × $300 = $1500 loss for the shop in a week

In a year, thats $78,000 gross income loss for the shop

If say, they have 5 girls doing this, thats $390,000 gross income loss for the shop in a year

The 2 parties that loses out when a girl does this is the customer and the shop/business. You have an unhappy customer and a shop losing money.
Thats ALOT of money being lost for the shop/business just because of a girls ego with cancelling on customers. If I was the owner I would be pissed. Thats why I urge shops to take more control over their girls and encourage them to be more "liberal" and open-minded when cancelling bookings just because they don't "like" to see a customer.

[Keeping Up]

“Thats 5 × $300 = $1500 loss for the shop in a week”

The shop doesn’t lose that amount. Around 60% goes to the lady. Your maths is way out.

[LuvKoreanPussy]

“Thats 5 × $300 = $1500 loss for the shop in a week”

The shop doesn’t lose that amount. Around 60% goes to the lady. Your maths is way out.

If you read it properly, I wrote "gross" income. Not "net" income.

[1inchguy]

Lets take personal things out of this and talk purely numbers.

It may not seem like much if you isolate me as a single customer being cancelled on. 1 customer may not seem like much

But say in a week, a girl may cancel on 5 potential customers as she is picky and may not like all of her customers.
Thats 5 × $300 = $1500 loss for the shop in a week

In a year, thats $78,000 gross income loss for the shop

If say, they have 5 girls doing this, thats $390,000 gross income loss for the shop in a year

The 2 parties that loses out when a girl does this is the customer and the shop/business. You have an unhappy customer and a shop losing money.
Thats ALOT of money being lost for the shop/business just because of a girls ego with cancelling on customers. If I was the owner I would be pissed. Thats why I urge shops to take more control over their girls and encourage them to be more "liberal" and open-minded when cancelling bookings just because they don't "like" to see a customer.

The assumption here just cause the girl "cancels" a booking, its a loss to the shop. I don't think that's the case, the girls pay the owners to use their shop Eg $300-$500 for the day or whatever agreement with the owner, the owners get a cut regardless if the girl see customers or not.
So if girls cancel or no one books to see them, its a lost for the girl. You often see Owners pushing you to see certain girls, its to help them make money aswell.

[carmen farquis]

The girl will have another customer anyway. Its not like she will be sitting around doing nothing.

The shop won't lose a cent.

[LuvKoreanPussy]

The girl will have another customer anyway. Its not like she will be sitting around doing nothing.

The shop won't lose a cent.

What are you talking about. If they have 2 customer bookings, they earn $600

If they cancel 1, they lose $300

Thats a loss by definition 555

[Niceguy11]

The assumption here just cause the girl "cancels" a booking, its a loss to the shop. I don't think that's the case, the girls pay the owners to use their shop Eg $300-$500 for the day or whatever agreement with the owner, the owners get a cut regardless if the girl see customers or not.
So if girls cancel or no one books to see them, its a lost for the girl. You often see Owners pushing you to see certain girls, its to help them make money aswell.

Yes true. 99.9% of J girls are with an agency so realistically, it wouldn't make a difference if a customer cancels. Everyone gets paid at the end of the day.

[1inchguy]

What are you talking about. If they have 2 customer bookings, they earn $600

If they cancel 1, they lose $300

Thats a loss by definition 555

5555555x555555
this is gonna be the last time i posted on this thread cause its gone too far and we already know where your mind set is
Anyway, just cause one cancels doesn't mean a lost, it was never gained?
Its more like a missed opportunity however as @carmen farquis mention, another opportunity "customer" would come around anyways..

If i found $50 on the street yesterday but not today. I'm not losing $50 today—I just didn’t get extra money again.

[wilisno]

The girl will have another customer anyway. Its not like she will be sitting around doing nothing.

The shop won't lose a cent.
Exactly. He assume that the girl would sit out the time he vacated !

Unless it’s an outcall agency, a popular shop can fill the time of a popular girl quite easily, no money lost except the trouble he might have caused if she let him stay.

[Abs90]

The assumption here just cause the girl "cancels" a booking, its a loss to the shop. I don't think that's the case, the girls pay the owners to use their shop Eg $300-$500 for the day or whatever agreement with the owner, the owners get a cut regardless if the girl see customers or not.
So if girls cancel or no one books to see them, its a lost for the girl. You often see Owners pushing you to see certain girls, its to help them make money aswell.

This is not how it works at all. The girls do not pay the shop $300/$500 to use a room. The shop only gets paid if the girl has customers and we take a split from that. So for expample a 60 min diamond booking is $300 the girl will usually take $220 and the shop will take $80. The reason girls get pushed is because they do good service or we think the customer will enjoy her. The girls that do so/so service are not getting pushed.

[Abs90]

Yes true. 99.9% of J girls are with an agency so realistically, it wouldn't make a difference if a customer cancels. Everyone gets paid at the end of the day.

The agent only gets paid if the girl gets paid. If she has no customers for the day then the agent gets $0 from that girl

[personaa]

The agent only gets paid if the girl gets paid. If she has no customers for the day then the agent gets $0 from that girl

Thanks Abs90, I was told exactly the same by a manager / owner.

[JJBlows]

After reading this whole thread, I'm pretty sure the owners of ginza, n5m and other popular shops are doing just fine without that one customer being refused service out of the double digit number of men walking into that shop each day.

And those girls are doing fine without that one customer they have refused service to.

Yes the girl is charging for a service but like any business owner or contractor, if you have a customer who is pissing you off, being difficult demanding etc, you can always give them their money back and tell them to fuck off and go somewhere else.

Lmao I've been blacklisted by one WL for reasons only me and her know the real truth too but despite what she told management i just moved the fuck on and book other girls now as there is no point in arguing about it regardless of the truth or your expectations of being a paying customer.

[Keeping Up]

If you read it properly, I wrote "gross" income. Not "net" income.

They are different income streams. Anyway if the girl has a modicum of self value and has her own no dickheads policy more strength to her. She’d be busy in any case even after cancelling any undesirables.

[LuvKoreanPussy]

Exactly. He assume that the girl would sit out the time he vacated !

Unless it’s an outcall agency, a popular shop can fill the time of a popular girl quite easily, no money lost except the trouble he might have caused if she let him stay.


Yes true. 99.9% of J girls are with an agency so realistically, it wouldn't make a difference if a customer cancels. Everyone gets paid at the end of the day.

You guys are talking about the hyper-popular girls like J Ice or K Leana/Jessie/Rebecca from Ginza who are fully booked all the time

These girls are probably the top 1% of all WL's and can easily replace a booking that was cancelled

But most girls aren't like this. Most girls are not 100% booked out. Theres been alot of times when I can just walk in and see a girl at a popular shop during quiet times. I also came across alot of girls who just sleep through their shift and can go for hours without a customer. Some girls may only get 1 or 2 customers a day if they're lucky

For most of the average WL's its probably not that easy to just "replace" a customer who they cancelled on.

And theres alot of WL's & shops out there. So these girls are constantly competing with each other for customers and regular customers too

If a girl is occupying a room like in some shops and she cancels a customer's booking. Shop will be losing money for sure

If a girl cancels a customer's booking, ain't no one will be getting paid.
Girl doesn't get paid
Agency doesn't get paid
Shop doesn't get paid
And an unhappy customer who had his booking cancelled

Its a lose-lose situation for all parties involved

[secret0]

You guys are talking about the hyper-popular gjrls like J Ice or K Leana/Jessie/Rebecca from Ginza who are fully booked all the time

These girls are probably the top 1% of all WL's

Most girls are not 100% booked out. Theres been alot of times when I can just walk in and see a girl at a popular shop during quiet times. I also came across alot of girls who just sleep through their shift and can go for hours without a customer. Some girls may only get 1 or 2 customers a day if they're lucky

For most of the average WL's its probably not that easy to just "replace" a customer who they cancelled on.

And theres alot of WL's & shops out there. So these girls are constantly competing with each other for customers and regular customers too

If a girl cancels a customer's booking, ain't no one will be getting paid. Girl doesn't get paid
Agency doesn't get paid
Shop doesn't get paid

So this thread you started (on a different, banned account) was because you were cancelled on.

So your solution is to force the girls to see customers they don't want to see or can't see? That they should just put up with being abused and assaulted?

If there is a cancellation, there are usually two types of reasons: ones they have no control over (such as emergencies, getting sick, getting attacked by some scumbag), and ones they do have control over (the person they are cancelling on is someone they don't want to see - for whatever reason. They have that right, don't they?)

So, what is your solution then?
For things they don't have control over, are you saying they should continue working anyway?
What if they were sick? They shouldn't be forced to continue working if they're sick - that's just wrong. Especially if it's contagious. Imagine if you got gastro or something from a WL. You'd be complaining again because she was forced to work and got you sick. Then you'd say the shop should have let them rest.... after you said the shop should force them to work, even while sick.

And for things they do have control over?
If they cancel on someone because they didn't like the look of them?
Are you saying the WLs aren't allowed to protect themselves from abusive customers? Are you abusing them? Is that why you keep complaining? Because they keep cancelling on you when you wanted to abuse them? Surely not, right? Why else do you keep saying they should be forced to see people when they have made it clear they don't want to.
And they know they're not getting money from that customer.
And the shop knows too they're not getting money.
But they all seem to be fine with it.
They're still in business. If the WL is still on the roster, seems the shop is also fine with them cancelling on certain customers.

So those are your solutions?
As you've said: the girls should have a "better work ethic" and just see whoever has booked them, whether they like it or not. And that the shops should either force the girls to see people they don't want, or fire them.
Those are your solutions?
You haven't said anything else that sounds like a solution.

They're not "beautiful and exotic" objects for you to fuck and abuse. They're people, and they have freedoms and rights.
Why are you trying to deprive them of their freedoms and rights?
Or is that your goal?

Because nothing else you've said says otherwise.
Just that they should be forced to do whatever you want.
That's fucked up, dude.
Why do you keep trying to make these girls (and the shops) do things they don't want to? Why do you keep trying to hurt them?

[wilisno]

From your posting history under all those aliases like mn69, LoveJapPussy etc etc, we all know your attitude or behaviour towards the girls, you’d better worry about whether you can get a punt if the shops know your face than the shop losing money.

If the shop knows the girl is at fault, she would have been let go, if she’s still on the roster, that’s another story.

[JJBlows]

From your posting history under all those aliases like mn69, LoveJapPussy etc etc, we all know your attitude or behaviour towards the girls, you’d better worry about whether you can get a punt if the shops know your face than the shop losing money.

If the shop knows the girl is at fault, she would have been let go, if she’s still on the roster, that’s another story.

Can confirm the shops know the faces of us users.

[LuvKoreanPussy]

From your posting history under all those aliases like mn69, LoveJapPussy etc etc, we all know your attitude or behaviour towards the girls, you’d better worry about whether you can get a punt if the shops know your face than the shop losing money.

If the shop knows the girl is at fault, she would have been let go, if she’s still on the roster, that’s another story.
Of course. There is always 2 sides to every story

Its good some shops take feedback from customer's and also to get the girls side of the story

[wilisno]

Of course. There is always 2 sides to every story

Its good some shops take feedback from customer's and also to get the girls side of the story

Of course, shops that take feedbacks and act on it are usually more successful. They use feedbacks to evaluate the girls and the customers, a serial complainer is not what a shop wants for a customer. Remember, a girl generates a lot more income to the shop than a single undesirable customer.

[rooter]

Of course, shops that take feedbacks and act on it are usually more successful. They use feedbacks to evaluate the girls and the customers, a serial complainer is not what a shop wants for a customer. Remember, a girl generates a lot more income to the shop than a single undesirable customer.

Exactly! If you are respectful to the girl and reception staff you really cannot go wrong.
So many rude arseholes that are rude to everyone but still expect to be respected and treated like a prince. WTF? I think the basic problem is these people do not respect themselves and if you cannot respect yourself then you you cannot respect anyone else and nobody else can respect you. i think the Whitney Houston song is the ultimate Buddhist text ' learning to love yourself is the greatest love of all' Love yourself. Embrace yourself. Hug yourself. And then love the world, Embrace the world. And the world will love you. Enjoy!

[Fezco]

Lets take personal things out of this and talk purely numbers.

It may not seem like much if you isolate me as a single customer being cancelled on. 1 customer may not seem like much

But say in a week, a girl may cancel on 5 potential customers as she is picky and may not like all of her customers.
Thats 5 × $300 = $1500 loss for the shop in a week

In a year, thats $78,000 gross income loss for the shop

If say, they have 5 girls doing this, thats $390,000 gross income loss for the shop in a year

The 2 parties that loses out when a girl does this is the customer and the shop/business. You have an unhappy customer and a shop losing money.
Thats ALOT of money being lost for the shop/business just because of a girls ego with cancelling on customers. If I was the owner I would be pissed. Thats why I urge shops to take more control over their girls and encourage them to be more "liberal" and open-minded when cancelling bookings just because they don't "like" to see a customer.

Right, that's what you're so unhappy about.

Dude just don't see girls who don't wanna see you.

[Thedogboy]

From your posting history under all those aliases like mn69, LoveJapPussy etc etc, we all know your attitude or behaviour towards the girls, you’d better worry about whether you can get a punt if the shops know your face than the shop losing money.

If the shop knows the girl is at fault, she would have been let go, if she’s still on the roster, that’s another story.

Will you know i believe this girls talk about the attitude they get from punters with othersand the shop.
How i know? because it's happened to me.
I visit i shop that I used to go and try new girl (she was old fuck me) anyway she told me that the girls says you are very good and gentle.
So yes the shops know about the punters attitude.

[JohnnySomali]

So this thread you started (on a different, banned account) was because you were cancelled on.

So your solution is to force the girls to see customers they don't want to see or can't see? That they should just put up with being abused and assaulted?

If there is a cancellation, there are usually two types of reasons: ones they have no control over (such as emergencies, getting sick, getting attacked by some scumbag), and ones they do have control over (the person they are cancelling on is someone they don't want to see - for whatever reason. They have that right, don't they?)

So, what is your solution then?
For things they don't have control over, are you saying they should continue working anyway?
What if they were sick? They shouldn't be forced to continue working if they're sick - that's just wrong. Especially if it's contagious. Imagine if you got gastro or something from a WL. You'd be complaining again because she was forced to work and got you sick. Then you'd say the shop should have let them rest.... after you said the shop should force them to work, even while sick.

And for things they do have control over?
If they cancel on someone because they didn't like the look of them?
Are you saying the WLs aren't allowed to protect themselves from abusive customers? Are you abusing them? Is that why you keep complaining? Because they keep cancelling on you when you wanted to abuse them? Surely not, right? Why else do you keep saying they should be forced to see people when they have made it clear they don't want to.
And they know they're not getting money from that customer.
And the shop knows too they're not getting money.
But they all seem to be fine with it.
They're still in business. If the WL is still on the roster, seems the shop is also fine with them cancelling on certain customers.

So those are your solutions?
As you've said: the girls should have a "better work ethic" and just see whoever has booked them, whether they like it or not. And that the shops should either force the girls to see people they don't want, or fire them.
Those are your solutions?
You haven't said anything else that sounds like a solution.

They're not "beautiful and exotic" objects for you to fuck and abuse. They're people, and they have freedoms and rights.
Why are you trying to deprive them of their freedoms and rights?
Or is that your goal?

Because nothing else you've said says otherwise.
Just that they should be forced to do whatever you want.
That's fucked up, dude.
Why do you keep trying to make these girls (and the shops) do things they don't want to? Why do you keep trying to hurt them?

Whoa !! Why everyone so angry and tense up in here. Just chillax and enjoy.

Ain't no one going to get extra brownie points from these girls for white-knighting, defending & simping for them. We all just a customer and a paycheck for them. Just respect them and enjoy the company of these beautiful Asian women.

I can confirm. I had same experience with No5M. Some cancellations. But I still go back to see my regulars. K Hanna, Emma, Uee, Mint and so on

[Viktorius69]

Whoa !! Why everyone so angry and tense up in here. Just chillax and enjoy.

Ain't no one going to get extra brownie points from these girls for white-knighting, defending & simping for them. We all just a customer and a paycheck for them. Just respect them and enjoy the company of these beautiful Asian women.

I can confirm. I had same experience with No5M. Some cancellations. But I still go back to see my regulars. K Hanna, Emma, Uee, Mint and so on

Of course you had the same experience as your other accounts you knobhead 😂

Do you introduce yourself to those lovely K ladies as Johnny Somali?

[11Bravo]

I see what you mean brother.
For the record, we are NOT brothers, nor ANY OTHER familial relationship, not by this handle or any other.

Yea, I know, I'm late to the party, but damn, these days, you blink and they're gone. Is it REALLY that difficult to stay within the rather loose lines? NO disrespect to the forum here, but it seems to really say something about the person if they KEEP getting booted out of a sex forum.

[banong]

Damn, you people still arguing with cancellation,,.. Can you guys name the girl that cancel you? Was it Hanna? I give it a try lol

[NicolasCage]

Damn, you people still arguing with cancellation,,.. Can you guys name the girl that cancel you? Was it Hanna? I give it a try lol

Lmao. If they cancel. Just take your business elsewhere. Business must be going well for them to afford to lose customers


Girls/Shops: "Business is going well. We have an abundance of customers..."

The next COVID-19 pandemic: "Hold my beer while I shut down every shop for a few years again...."

[11Bravo]

Lmao. If they cancel. Just take your business elsewhere. Business must be going well for them to afford to lose customers


Girls/Shops: "Business is going well. We have an abundance of customers..."

The next COVID-19 pandemic: "Hold my beer while I shut down every shop for a few years again...."
And when travel restrictions are removed, simple to message and book... been there, done that. 3 year gap, no problem.

They are resilient to adversity, unlike some, who whine when they don't get their way.

[Jack-Jack]

And when travel restrictions are removed, simple to message and book... been there, done that. 3 year gap, no problem.

They are resilient to adversity, unlike some, who whine when they don't get their way.


lmfaoooo resilient unlike some who whine when they dont get their way

careful Nic Cage might come after u on behalf of LKP and MN69

[wilisno]

lmfaoooo resilient unlike some who whine when they dont get their way

careful Nic Cage might come after u on behalf of LKP and MN69

Add Brad-Pitt and JewnySom-Ali ;) ;) ;)

[FangShoe]

I’ve only had one cancellation at N5M but it’s a size related issue I’m sure and that was last year.

Just two days ago a private Asian WL even told me, actually apologised and said due to my size she couldn’t do a one on one anymore. I thought she was OK with it as she presented doggy and took it but the next day when she txt and then I called her she said “don’t take this the wrong way but I cannot do it with you by myself”. Words to that effect as we were talking and she was at the gym.

Initially before the discussion I thought she was going to ask for something and I was hesitant in letting her speak as I didnt know what she wanted but I let her continue.

She went on to say “she’s not big enough and that it’d take a month of stretching to get her used to it before I could see her again”. Her words not mine. So now it’s a double if I want to see her.

Double or nothing.

[NicolasCage]

I’ve only had one cancellation at N5M but it’s a size related issue I’m sure and that was last year.

Just two days ago a private Asian WL even told me, actually apologised and said due to my size she couldn’t do a one on one anymore. I thought she was OK with it as she presented doggy and took it but the next day when she txt and then I called her she said “don’t take this the wrong way but I cannot do it with you by myself”. Words to that effect as we were talking and she was at the gym.

Initially before the discussion I thought she was going to ask for something and I was hesitant in letting her speak as I didnt know what she wanted but I let her continue.

She went on to say “she’s not big enough and that it’d take a month of stretching to get her used to it before I could see her again”. Her words not mine. So now it’s a double if I want to see her.

Double or nothing.

Its a good different perspective. I don't understand how seeing you by doing a double will fix the "size issue"?

Like they will divide up the workload and go halfies...



You think n5M want's to cancel your appointment and not make money.

The girls are more important than you. Girls are harder to come by. Punters won't dry out. It's a sellers market unfortunately.



This does not make sense.

Punter's and customer's are the one's who bring in the money to any business

Basic Business economics 101
No Customers = No Money

[wilisno]

Its a good different perspective. I don't understand how seeing you by doing a double will fix the "size issue"?

Like they will divide up the workload and go halfies...



This does not make sense.

Punter's and customer's are the one's who bring in the money to any business

Basic Business economics 101
No Customers = No Money

Yes, no customers, no money.

As I replied to your previous thread under a different name, a girl generates a lot more income to the shop than a single undesirable customer. Banning one doesn’t mean the shop and the girl would have no customers left.

For instance, if Ice of Ginza bans a customer, you think she will be just sitting around ? ;) ;) ;) I’ll put my name down as a reserve promptly.