The current state of punting

[Pattyherb]

As the title suggests, the current state of punting especially after covid has gone downhill. Terrible service, overpriced extras and locanto has more scammer ads than legit privates.

Who is to blame? well.. a variety of things; bad, greedy and dodgy shop owners, entitled and sneaky MLs and some punters that seem to actively encourage this behaviour and defend it.

I had some principles that I stick to that has weeded most shops out which include, discussing extras up front, paying afterwards and not paying brothel prices (and sometimes higher than brothel prices) in a massage shops.

I highly encourage all punters to stop this nonsense as the punting market is highly inflated with both MLs,WLs and shops in every suburb; it is in need for a consumer led price fix. This can easily be done by walking straight out the door when you know you're being ripped off.

As for me, an unskilled boring 40min massage and a half assed 5 min HJ will never do it for me anymore, being under cut by 15mins and paying for an hour.

As for me now I'm over it, especially by the fact these ML do not pay tax and most are dodging their visa conditions.

As for a person like myself that is active and goes to the gym I will use my health fund rebate on a proper skilled chinese massage and refuse any offer for a HJ if offered, in fact I would prefer a trained male with physio diploma to do it.

If I want something sexual: I will head to a proper establishment like croydon palace (if I want western girls) or sixth street campsie (if I want asian girls). These places don't screw you around and you get what you pay for with no bs

[Punt2Win]

Fair points, though the walking out part would require discipline and self respect which is sorely lacking in some.

I stick to broths, didn't know the massage scene was so bad. Is SBM a rip off like the others or is it a step up? Had that in my sights to test out.

[Viktorius69]

Fair points, though the walking out part would require discipline and self respect which is sorely lacking in some.

I stick to broths, didn't know the massage scene was so bad. Is SBM a rip off like the others or is it a step up? Had that in my sights to test out.

SBM is good with the right girl, plenty of ARs to go off here. Book earlier if you can, some of the popular girls get really tired seeing clients back to back so I've had a very different experience with the same girl at times

They have been increasing their prices. There used to be a lot more VFM whereas now the price of the massage + extras, you're getting v close to a punt with WL..

[2000BahtLongTime]

I agree. Alot of girls are becoming greedy now
Some massage places $50 for NHJ.
$100 for CBJ. WTF is a CBJ
Then want $150 for BBBJ
$150-$200 for FS (covered FS)

I noticed some girls purposely do CBJ to make you pay extra for BBBJ

Happens to me too. I pay for an hour then after finishing part 2, the girl says "finished now" when it clearly has only been 45mins out of the hour

Some FS places I heard from other guys some girls price gouging and wanting Extra's/Tips between $300-$400

[Punt2Win]

SBM is good with the right girl, plenty of ARs to go off here. Book earlier if you can, some of the popular girls get really tired seeing clients back to back so I've had a very different experience with the same girl at times

They have been increasing their prices. There used to be a lot more VFM whereas now the price of the massage + extras, you're getting v close to a punt with WL..

Yeah that's what I mean. 1 hour FS in a brothel should NOT be priced the same as a 45 min massage with 15 min of sex at the end in a parlour. Rip off!

[Pattyherb]

I haven't been to Sydney baby massage before, tried to once: no parking. But if you're paying a brothel price for a shitty 45min masage and some 15min starfish at the end.... well, that's a Na for me

To be honest if you go to a massage place and you get something for 10mins at the end, it should be fs for $50 if only 10 mins

[11Bravo]

I stick to broths, didn't know the massage scene was so bad. Is SBM a rip off like the others or is it a step up? Had that in my sights to test out.
Yes, the RnT sky is falling, the sky is falling - IF you're Chicken Little.

The OP is the reincarnation (seems like it with his grievances of "don't pay taxes", "visa violation", etc.), or at least a cousin of the pinhead, jandross45 who got shooed out of LSM by the mamasan for his entitled attitude, posted about it, then got grilled over his complaints. Eventually banned.

Myself, must be my aura, I have no problems. OK, I'm sad of the worldly demise of LT, where LT is ALL night, at least at a decent rate. And, as far as I know, there are no "mingle and meet" FL bars in SYD, full of working FL's from all over the world. But, as they said in the Wild Bunch, "It ain't like the old days, but, ah... it'll do". Sure, there might be some disappointment in the room, but I'm thinking that's from BOTH sides. I don't complain when my shower time is included in the hour - I am taking up the room (and it doesn't take me all THAT long to shower; I just want hot water - spoiled, right?).

My principles are very simple: give respect, get respect. Treat her like an orifice, she'll be an orifice. Treat her like a person, she'll be a person (needless to say, I chose the latter). I don't have an entitled attitude. I know how the game's played. I know, she knows I know, I know she knows I know... GEESH. It's not complicated.

"Entitled and sneaky" ML's? MY experience, she's a very good mirror of what's in front of her (rule #1). ML I saw today, had only seen her once before, a FULL year ago. Into the room, shower, good massage, she then complaned the room was hot so she got comfortable, B2B, BBBJ, CFS. NEVER discussed services, never discussed price. She knew, I knew. Finished. A bit of time left, she did the usual (large) head massage, then a few minutes shoulder blades and, much appreciated, thigh massage (they were a bit tight from the previous stretches), all while in her combat gear, aka birthday suit. By my clock, I had the room for the full hour, no wasted time (not big in dressing in the hallway). So where's the rip?

I've been to brothels, but I find them a bit impersonal. RnT's... just feels less of an assembly line (even though it still is). I have NO trouble paying BEFORE for the massage - that's room rent. I know I'll get a massage, and more often than not, a good one, sometimes a great one. These days, I rarely ask about services BEFORE, I just go with the flow, and, like the Old Knight said, I choose wisely. (OK, a lot of repeat business). And I've found, because I don't BS, I don't get BS'd. A few times I've been asked to pay the extra service charges BEFORE, but I don't gnash my teeth, rend my clothes. I pay and the services are delivered, and, on subsequent visits, it's pay after. (Once, I forgot, and was walking out the door; the ML had to remind me I was forgetting something, and when I didn't remember, she did specifically mention "money". That's what happens when she fucks your brains out.) I'm willing to "roll the bones"; regardless, I'll know what her experience is like with me.

BKK MP = SYD brothel
BKK bar = SYD RnT

I prefer the latter, and how I spend MY money (I earned it) is up to me. I've heard this crap for decades, in various climes: the market's being ruined by punters overpaying, it's the residents, it's the tourists, it's greedy providers, it's the bars, it's this, it's that. It's a free market. I know what the going rates are, and what her experience is worth to me. It ain't rocket science. And yes, I DO vote with my feet. As I've recently reported, when a shop tried to pull a switcharoo, I bailed (and told the top boss about it). But that was a rarity. In a lot of the small shops, I never even see the mamasan; I know the girl, shop hopper, pay her for everything (split-shop fee before, services after). NO problem.

Bottom line: I'm just there to have fun. Last week, a hectic (or should that be whore-tic) week, with a known, excellent ML, couldn't finish. She was doing her best, but it was ALL on me. I knew it was the condom, but wasn't willing, with her, to BBFS. She jumps off, wipes the condom down with a wipe, now a CBJ. Similar. But she's not giving up, her head bobbing up and down like one of Trump's "drill baby drill" derricks. I'm ready to tap out, but she says no. I finally suggest HJ, and finally score. She looks at me and says, "So, today, you not horny. Where have you been, huh?" Fun.

Best news I've heard is that the whiners are staying away. Suits me just fine. Fun.

[dewayne]

Honestly I've found things easier now than pre-covid. But I think it's more chalked up to I'm more confident now, chat and laugh with MLs, and am just having fun. I don't think anything much changed on their end in the last several years. Actually I suspect it's quite hard to have a truly bad punt if you're being kind and affable with the lady, unless there's some other condition preventing that.

[stallionmachine123]

Capitalism we all want more for less.

I’m not a brothel guy I’m a RNT person and I agree it’s gone down hill and the glory days I had before Covid are over.

There are few regulars who never disappoint me that I will stick to I used to always try and find other good shops but turns out to shit.

The way I know if a shop or its girls are good are how the mamasan is and operates.

[11Bravo]

While it's fun to wax nostalgic for the "good ole days", the reality is, they ain't coming back. Comparing then and now is a fool's errand. I don't. Just like I don't compare different prices for products or services from different locations. The price of a BBBJ here or a BBBJ in BKK. A box of Frosty Flakes here or the US. Immaterial. The only question I find to be important is do I want Frosty Flakes, are they available, and are they worth it to me at the local price. If so, I buy. if not, I don't. Simple.
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BTW, any train drivers here? Think you're underpaid, it's necessary to inconvenience the traveling public to achieve your demands? How about DNATA workers? Same question. I'm thinking both groups, and most groups, would say yes. How about contractors? Your raw material prices are up, think you need to pass those costs on to your customers? So why not the shops? Why not the ladies? Rents are up, food is up, costs are up. Everybody is greedy until it comes to YOU. Then, you're justified in your demands.

If it's worth it to you, buy it. If it's not, don't. Simple.

[TedThePosterx]

What's the price difference between 45 minutes and 60? 10 dollars?

Is it really a big deal? Who cares if the session ends in 50 minutes if you've already cum, that's why youre there.

[mylovelypenis]

No Money No Honey!

[Roydemeo]

While it's fun to wax nostalgic for the "good ole days", the reality is, they ain't coming back. Comparing then and now is a fool's errand. I don't. Just like I don't compare different prices for products or services from different locations. The price of a BBBJ here or a BBBJ in BKK. A box of Frosty Flakes here or the US. Immaterial. The only question I find to be important is do I want Frosty Flakes, are they available, and are they worth it to me at the local price. If so, I buy. if not, I don't. Simple.
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BTW, any train drivers here? Think you're underpaid, it's necessary to inconvenience the traveling public to achieve your demands? How about DNATA workers? Same question. I'm thinking both groups, and most groups, would say yes. How about contractors? Your raw material prices are up, think you need to pass those costs on to your customers? So why not the shops? Why not the ladies? Rents are up, food is up, costs are up. Everybody is greedy until it comes to YOU. Then, you're justified in your demands.

If it's worth it to you, buy it. If it's not, don't. Simple.
Your posts are always a decent read. You make a lot of (what should be obvious to most) sense.

[Pattyherb]

I specifically told this bravo11 to **** off a while back, stop commenting on my post and ultimately stop interacting with me. But here he is again with nothing better to do hanging around like a bad smell that doesn't go away.

[Danny801]

Less options now too for ml/wl for advertising solo. locanto / EB has always been off the mark. But i really liked backpage / cracker back in the days where all girls cud advertise for $5 a day. Found some gems from SB who would charge a lot less when biz was quiet and ML/WL advertising out of there own apartments.

[DDT]

It's supply and demand that determines the price. If the majority is willing to pay top price, why deprive themselves. For my part, I'm sticking with my favorites and the price hasn't changed. $70 for full service.

[Kiki kong]

It's supply and demand that determines the price. If the majority is willing to pay top price, why deprive themselves. For my part, I'm sticking with my favorites and the price hasn't changed. $70 for full service.

Good on yah, that's a great deal. But I can't help variety. I can't be eating Korean BBQ all time, even if rotate it with other dishes. Trying different version of pho or fried rice is what life is about. Punting is exactly that for me, some are really good punts and some are not so great. I still walk out and don't leave cash at reception until I'm satisfied from face value during lineup. Luckily I've been able to deflect possiblly truly shitty punts just from how the ML greets me in the first 10sec and save my cash for a ML who truly wants and deserves it.

[Pattyherb]

I still walk out and don't leave cash at reception until I'm satisfied from face value during lineup. Luckily I've been able to deflect possiblly truly shitty punts just from how the ML greets me in the first 10sec and save my cash for a ML who truly wants and deserves it.

Hahah that something that has saved me many times.

[DDT]

This doesn't stop me from going with a new ML from time to time, but it's rare that I manage to find the harmony and complicity that I have with my regulars. They know what I prefer and I know what they prefer.

[11Bravo]

I specifically told this bravo11 to **** off a while back, stop commenting on my post and ultimately stop interacting with me. But here he is again with nothing better to do hanging around like a bad smell that doesn't go away.
Damn, dyslexia, combined with ADHD, that must be a real bitch (like you). Solution: punt with LiLi, CoCo, MiMi, JoJo... ALL excellent punts, IME.

BTW: if you are so jealous of those who don't pay taxes, you can do the same. Become an expat just like they do. Work in a foreign country, foreign language. Of course, you DO have to have a marketable talent, and whiny bitch ain't one.


You make a lot of (what should be obvious to most) sense.
Don't look back. Don't compare prices between here and there, now and then. If it's worth it to you, buy it. If it's not, don't.

Simple - lessons learned from being an expat for a LONG time. (BTW - did pay taxes, but a very nice tax break).

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Train Drivers

The logic just amazes me.

Because they love the traveling public so much
Because the traveling public doesn't love them so much since their job action
They have rejected the govt's offer of public compensation of a free train day AFTER contracts have been signed, instead demanding complete refunds NOW for unsatisfactory service.
Otherwise, standing arm-in-arm with the traveling public, they will stage MORE job actions next week to help the traveling public. And by arm-in-arm, I mean their arm twisting yours behind your back.

PH - are you a train driver perchance?

[Rub101]

I dont know much about rnt but at least you're not in Melbourne

[Jack-Jack]

I dont know much about rnt but at least you're not in Melbourne

Is Melb really that much worse??

the few times i have been were for holidays and with mates etc so never really got the chance to "wander off" and explore

[Boomer77]

Is Melb really that much worse??

the few times i have been were for holidays and with mates etc so never really got the chance to "wander off" and explore

Yes, it’s worse. Sound like you’re hanging with the wrong mates, most should join you punting…

[AHLUNGOR]

For all those RnT punters who don’t like the varying prices on offer from your chosen shops, the best solution is to visit those all inclusive (usually licensed, with the exception of the two by Ada):

227 Broadway, no ifs or buts, the best equipped and well run RnT in Sydney with ensuite to all rooms and over sized massage beds. Set prices for massage and happy ending. With the * open minded option clearly indicated on each MLs profiles. Always my go to shop just waiting for the next natural Double D Cups or bigger……..haha

Summerville’s, Sydney Baby Massage, Sydney Girls Massage, Mirage, plus all the At Michelle’s (western) are similar.

Then the two Ada’s shop at 200 Stanmore and 69 Savann are great with young Thais.

There are others but these are tested and tried and usually with good standards. So the choice is yours.

You like the consistency and fixed price comforts, you know where to go. OTOH if you like the convenience of location, the unknown challenge, then enjoy the adventures and stop complaining. BTW, there is always the “regular “ factors and thou shalt always reward those who have serviced yourself and your cock over the years with repeated businesses, but that’s just me, this old man likes no surprises .

Do yourself a favour and have a count, how many MLs you had seen 10 years ago, you are still seeing Now ?

I got 4, how about you?

For the records: Mimi @48 The Strand, Candy at VIP Pyrmont, Yuki on Bondi Road and Susan at 518 Kent St, all master class.

Thank you for reading


Cheers

[AHLUNGOR]

Is Melb really that much worse??

the few times i have been were for holidays and with mates etc so never really got the chance to "wander off" and explore

I had just the one punt in Melbourne long time ago, it was a good one with a young and sweet Korean babe, very pricy though. $100 for a nude and BBBJ, no regrets, for the same girl and same service would do it again, but probably need to pay even more now.

Review here, if anyone is interested:

http://www.aus99forum.com/showthread.php?37351-Korean-girl-Lina-Oasis-Relaxation-386A-Clarendon-St-South-Melbourne

[Viktorius69]

Is Melb really that much worse??

the few times i have been were for holidays and with mates etc so never really got the chance to "wander off" and explore

I went to Melbs for a work trip and went to check the VIC/Melb section of this forum for advice/recommendations expecting the same level of activity as the NSW/Syd one. Well let me tell you it's not quite the same 😂😅

[Jack-Jack]

I went to Melbs for a work trip and went to check the VIC/Melb section of this forum for advice/recommendations expecting the same level of activity as the NSW/Syd one. Well let me tell you it's not quite the same ����

Bahahahaha fk bro why’d you bring that up I went to the section and almost spit out my coffeee lol

I’ll have a skim and make some jokes for our Victorian neighbors when I have my evening coffee before starting my nighttime shift

Anything to get a mental break from work LOL

[secret0]

For all those RnT punters who don’t like the varying prices on offer from your chosen shops, the best solution is to visit those all inclusive (usually licensed, with the exception of the two by Ada):

227 Broadway, no ifs or buts, the best equipped and well run RnT in Sydney with ensuite to all rooms and over sized massage beds. Set prices for massage and happy ending. With the * open minded option clearly indicated on each MLs profiles. Always my go to shop just waiting for the next natural Double D Cups or bigger……..haha

Summerville’s, Sydney Baby Massage, Sydney Girls Massage, Mirage, plus all the At Michelle’s (western) are similar.

Then the two Ada’s shop at 200 Stanmore and 69 Savann are great with young Thais.

There are others but these are tested and tried and usually with good standards. So the choice is yours.

You like the consistency and fixed price comforts, you know where to go. OTOH if you like the convenience of location, the unknown challenge, then enjoy the adventures and stop complaining. BTW, there is always the “regular “ factors and thou shalt always reward those who have serviced yourself and your cock over the years with repeated businesses, but that’s just me, this old man likes no surprises .

Do yourself a favour and have a count, how many MLs you had seen 10 years ago, you are still seeing Now ?

I got 4, how about you?

For the records: Mimi @48 The Strand, Candy at VIP Pyrmont, Yuki on Bondi Road and Susan at 518 Kent St, all master class.

Thank you for reading


Cheers

Thanks for this, Ahlungor.

I've been thinking about trying out a RnT shop, but there are too many choices, and still don't know where to start, as I want to minimise the possibility of a bad first time.
Also because I'm looking to get a semi-decent massage as well at the same time.
227B was top of my list (along with LSM), so might finally bite the bullet and try and find some time to visit.

[Viktorius69]

Bahahahaha fk bro why’d you bring that up I went to the section and almost spit out my coffeee lol

I’ll have a skim and make some jokes for our Victorian neighbors when I have my evening coffee before starting my nighttime shift

Anything to get a mental break from work LOL

Fr bro. I went to check AR page, not much on page 1, move to page 2, 'oh that girl sounds good, let's check it out' > nope, the AR is from 2021 and chick prob left the country, married with 3 kids since 😂

We're real lucky in Sydney

[imaragingbull]

Fr bro. I went to check AR page, not much on page 1, move to page 2, 'oh that girl sounds good, let's check it out' > nope, the AR is from 2021 and chick prob left the country, married with 3 kids since 😂

We're real lucky in Sydney

Yes you are. For anyone coming down, let me know if you need any intel or guidance. It’s grim, but at least I can try and guide, on the massage side at least

[11Bravo]

I've been thinking about trying out a RnT shop, but there are too many choices, and still don't know where to start, as I want to minimise the possibility of a bad first time.
Also because I'm looking to get a semi-decent massage as well at the same time.
227B was top of my list (along with LSM), so might finally bite the bullet and try and find some time to visit.

WADR: What can you lose? It's an hour out of your life? If that's a lot, then you have a lot more serious problems than deciding where to punt. Myself, I always take an hour so I can relax and enjoy.

Yes, it's some coin. Myself, I prefer this entertainment rather than going to a casino as there, the house always wins, and it's too much trouble to count cards. I'll roll the bones.

WADR: You have to decide what you're looking for. SYT? MILF? Class of service (economy, business, first)? Types of foreplay? Level of massage expertise? For me, they're all sliding scales that have to be adjusted to arrive at a total for any given individual. Adjustments made BY you FOR you.

You should know the going rates. Know what you're willing to pay. You're not negotiating world peace, just "her floor, your ceiling". Myself, I like the flexibility of the "nothing included" shops.

Bad punt? For me, there are very FEW truly bad punts; haven't had any in SYD. Bottom line: you'll KNOW what HER experience is like with YOU that day. And only you can decide "good enough to repeat" or "one and done". Myself, I've had way more repeats that onesies.

Fear of a bad punt is like fear of "failing"; it paralyzes you. Wanting "the best", likewise. It's only the unknown until you go/do.

Consider it like walking into a casino. Yes, you hope you win, you realize you might lose. So? You're there to enjoy, so enjoy, whichever way the dice land.

My advice: Summerville, Pyrmont will increase your odds, as will LSM; 24 Station St, Marrickville not so much. (Speaking from experience).



Do yourself a favour and have a count, how many MLs you had seen 10 years ago, you are still seeing Now ?

I got 4, how about you?

Not quite 10 years, but 8 and 7 years, 1 each, respectively, though those include 3 years Covid separation. But once travel opened, picked up right where we left off (BKK).

[secret0]

WADR: What can you lose? It's an hour out of your life? If that's a lot, then you have a lot more serious problems than deciding where to punt. Myself, I always take an hour so I can relax and enjoy.

Yes, it's some coin. Myself, I prefer this entertainment rather than going to a casino as there, the house always wins, and it's too much trouble to count cards. I'll roll the bones.

WADR: You have to decide what you're looking for. SYT? MILF? Class of service (economy, business, first)? Types of foreplay? Level of massage expertise? For me, they're all sliding scales that have to be adjusted to arrive at a total for any given individual.

Fear of a bad punt is like fear of "failing"; it paralyzes you. Wanting "the best", likewise. It's only the unknown until you go/do.

My advice: Summerville, Pyrmont will increase your odds, as will LSM; 24 Station St, Marrickville not so much. (Speaking from experience).

It's not the time but the coin being the reason I want to minimise the risk of a bad session.
I know there are risks, but with the experiences of others here I am open to direct recommendations.

Decent massage would be the main draw. PYT is preferred, but I am seeing the older providers being more likely to have better massage skills.
As for extras - for my first experience, not actually looking to get that far. Base massage and NHJ is all I need (though desires might change once I'm in the room, of course).
After that, I'll have a much better idea of what goes on during a session, and what I'll be looking for in future.

Looks like LSM will be it, but do you have any experience with 227 Broadway? Was considering it as it's inclusive pricing.

Thanks 11B.

[kere]

I went to 69 Savann today which already has a high shop fee but the ML's extras were $100 for B2B and $150 for FS. Not the first time that's happened there either. I could've gotten FS at a quality brothel for far less.
My last 3 RNT visits have been at 3 different places and all the MLs overcharged for extras. I'm sticking to brothels from now on.

[MrPB]

I went to 69 Savann today which already has a high shop fee but the ML's extras were $100 for B2B and $150 for FS. Not the first time that's happened there either. I could've gotten FS at a quality brothel for far less.
My last 3 RNT visits have been at 3 different places and all the MLs overcharged for extras. I'm sticking to brothels from now on.

You might want to re-think that, just saw a girl at N5M charging out at $400 for 60min!

[kere]

You might want to re-think that, just saw a girl at N5M charging out at $400 for 60min!

Christ, that's ridiculous. That's even more expensive than ATMC, Liaisons, and the best Ginza girls. No sane man is paying $400 for that.

[imaragingbull]

We are a long, long way from $165m getting you 60/90 mins at Masstige8 with a cute young Korean

[MrPB]

Christ, that's ridiculous. That's even more expensive than ATMC, Liaisons, and the best Ginza girls. No sane man is paying $400 for that.

Yeah agreed.

My limit for FS at a RnT is $150.

I've read threads where people are getting charged $200. I don't know what kind of service they're getting for $200, but I would agree with you that a brothel highly likely is much more value.

[Pattyherb]

You might want to re-think that, just saw a girl at N5M charging out at $400 for 60min!

She must be 19yo with a super fit body, references Nd offers porn star experience

[Viktorius69]

Christ, that's ridiculous. That's even more expensive than ATMC, Liaisons, and the best Ginza girls. No sane man is paying $400 for that.

The only one I see at N5M above $400 is that aussie chick Roxanne who's not rostered often and is very popular / has her set of regulars, never tried her but just basing off the ARs. I think the Asian ones are all around $300 (plus or minus).

[drifter]

You might want to re-think that, just saw a girl at N5M charging out at $400 for 60min!

Yep K girl @ $400. No description whatsoever and her name is Mystery lol. Who is going first?

[2000BahtLongTime]

Yep K girl @ $400. No description whatsoever and her name is Mystery lol. Who is going first?

Price is abit steep. She reminds me of K Miki

[Viktorius69]

Yep K girl @ $400. No description whatsoever and her name is Mystery lol. Who is going first?

Oh wtf, I missed that.

And her pics scream KPS lol

[11Bravo]

Yep K girl @ $400. No description whatsoever and her name is Mystery lol. Who is going first?


1. Never hurts to ask.
2. Keeps the riff-raff away.
3. Only takes a few takers to make the day's goal, saving wear-n-tear on the merchandise.
4. There are always some who directly correlate higher price with better service.

As is often said, "Up to you".

[11Bravo]

Decent massage would be the main draw. PYT is preferred, but I am seeing the older providers being more likely to have better massage skills.

As for extras - for my first experience, not actually looking to get that far. Base massage and NHJ is all I need (though desires might change once I'm in the room, of course).
After that, I'll have a much better idea of what goes on during a session, and what I'll be looking for in future.

Looks like LSM will be it, but do you have any experience with 227 Broadway? Was considering it as it's inclusive pricing.
Age = experience, plus better service; she appreciates the business.

I only take the (part 2 ONLY) if going for edging.

No experience with 227 Broadway. Might be OK for part 2 only as it's inclusive, but I always upgrade, so prefer to start at a basic, nothing included, price. I do like LSM, but for more than NHJ.

Let me review my punting notes, will DM.

[DavidBond]

Age = experience, plus better service; she appreciates the business.

I only take the (part 2 ONLY) if going for edging.

No experience with 227 Broadway. Might be OK for part 2 only as it's inclusive, but I always upgrade, so prefer to start at a basic, nothing included, price. I do like LSM, but for more than NHJ.

Let me review my punting notes, will DM.

I find 227 girls are young and pretty. But most only do CBJ at most (the "open minded" ones)