Lending Money to ML's

[Misohappy]

Anybody here ever been scammed by ML's who come with a sob story to try to get money off you?

I've been asked couple times for small amounts like $500 or $1000 - I knew when giving it out I was likely not gonna see the money ever again (and I was right) so I just used the opportunity to fuck the shit out of them before they disappeared - i find thats usually around 4-6 weeks later.

[Mr Bricks]

Big no from me.

[dewayne]

Absolutely not. I have tipped an extra pineapple a couple times for a regular who was having occasional trouble with her car (and she was serious about it too-- I heard her driving up in the thing) but she didn't specifically ask for extra. And I've never just gave money for nothing.

[personaa]

Money is my best friend. If I lose it without any gratification I get seriously depressed!

[hadog]

Extra money means more services. I aint a bank! Your never going to see the cash again, make sure your getting something for your transaction.

[Wank_Somemore]

I have lent money to girls but same like you, not huge amounts. I'll only do it for my absolute favourites though.

Sometimes I'll get my money back, sometimes nothing. Sometimes I'll get it back by sexual favours or sometimes a gift.

[rooter]

Anybody here ever been scammed by ML's who come with a sob story to try to get money off you?

I've been asked couple times for small amounts like $500 or $1000 - I knew when giving it out I was likely not gonna see the money ever again (and I was right) so I just used the opportunity to fuck the shit out of them before they disappeared - i find thats usually around 4-6 weeks later.

You lent her $500 and banged her for 5 weeks! That's a bargain! LOL! That is a massive interest rate you charge there bro! LOL!

[Harp0]

You lent her $500 and banged her for 5 weeks! That's a bargain! LOL! That is a massive interest rate you charge there bro! LOL!
That’s a good deal. Up until recently I used to lend money to a WL, I always got it back. Never got free sex from her though. If I did I probably still be friends with her.

[LuvKoreanPussy]

Anybody here ever been scammed by ML's who come with a sob story to try to get money off you?

I've been asked couple times for small amounts like $500 or $1000 - I knew when giving it out I was likely not gonna see the money ever again (and I was right) so I just used the opportunity to fuck the shit out of them before they disappeared - i find thats usually around 4-6 weeks later.
Yes Thai girls ask for money all the time.
Some ask to borrow
Some want monthly salary
Some want for sick buffalos
Some want money so they "not work bar" and not have to go with Old Bald Fat Farang

[Burgundy]

I've "lent" my time/skills before but never just straight cash. The sob stories are more likely to elicit laughing in their face than an opening of the wallet.

[NicolasCage]

If you're going to lend money, just make sure its money you're willing to lose

[Fezco]

I've borrowed money from a few but never lent it. :smile:

[Misohappy]

Funnily enough, went for a massage today, the ML and I talked alot and she was telling me she knows an ML who scammed over 40k from a punter and she then went off for a holiday with it and blocked him once she came back 😅
Guess you guys are right and for me its pretty good value 😅

[andrewv]

This reminds me of the usual stories in the news about old and fat white Aussie women who get sucked in online by very young African men, they fall in love and send $$$ thinking they have a real relationship.

It happens both ways. Not only Aussie men get ripped off.

[Viktorius69]

This reminds me of the usual stories in the news about old and fat white Aussie women who get sucked in online by very young African men, they fall in love and send $$$ thinking they have a real relationship.

It happens both ways. Not only Aussie men get ripped off.

I was just reading about a chick in Europe that got scammed 800k euros by 'Brad Pitt' who she thought she was secretly dating. Pretty wild what some people can believe whenever our primal urges are triggered

[FangShoe]

I’ve heard various stories from WL’s and ML’s of “needs”. The largest amount was $200k and it came with a story that was told over lunch with her, I thought WTF? Go ask some mug and besides that she’s already in a relationship to a fat loser… yes I know all about him as she shows no loyalty is cheating with me and now trying to hit me up. So she’s blocked.

Every SW I know eventually puts their hand out and it’s better to dump them once they ask and move on as there’s another one just around the corner. The last “need” was to give another a car which I could have and then what? She’s friendly with at least two other guys on here so maybe one of them succumbed? More fool them if they did… She’d still be stringing me along and giving me no respect or exclusivity so she’s now blocked too.

Even basic things like going out for a meal. How many women consistently pay for you? Once maybe but that’s it.

The moment they ask for anything it’s now a block on the phone and they’re history.

[Roydemeo]

This is an automatic hard no

[11Bravo]

I’ve heard various stories from WL’s and ML’s of “needs”. The largest amount was $200k and it came with a story that was told over lunch with her, I thought WTF? Go ask some mug and besides that she’s already in a relationship to a fat loser… yes I know all about him as she shows no loyalty is cheating with me and now trying to hit me up. So she’s blocked.

Every SW I know eventually puts their hand out and it’s better to dump them once they ask and move on as there’s another one just around the corner. The last “need” was to give another a car which I could have and then what? She’s friendly with at least two other guys on here so maybe one of them succumbed? More fool them if they did… She’d still be stringing me along and giving me no respect or exclusivity so she’s now blocked too.

Even basic things like going out for a meal. How many women consistently pay for you? Once maybe but that’s it.

The moment they ask for anything it’s now a block on the phone and they’re history.

Trouble with being seen as royalty, some might want to dip into the treasury, noblesse oblige. A fellow commoner, not so much.

And besides the previous "leading me by the hand across the street", a recent visit, we went for sushi (NO double entendre) after as she had time, she paid, and while I was finishing, she went off to buy me a jian bing... Consistent.

Perhaps a benefit of looking eye to eye rather than down...

[11Bravo]

If you're going to lend money, just make sure its money you're willing to lose

I got good advice from my dad: consider any money you lend, whether to family or friend, a gift. IF you get it back, then it's a double gift.

Bored, still waiting for the repairman. They all must have gone to the FangShoe attitude school. (no disrespect FS)

[JewnySom-Ali]

I’ve heard various stories from WL’s and ML’s of “needs”. The largest amount was $200k and it came with a story that was told over lunch with her, I thought WTF? Go ask some mug and besides that she’s already in a relationship to a fat loser… yes I know all about him as she shows no loyalty is cheating with me and now trying to hit me up. So she’s blocked.

Every SW I know eventually puts their hand out and it’s better to dump them once they ask and move on as there’s another one just around the corner. The last “need” was to give another a car which I could have and then what? She’s friendly with at least two other guys on here so maybe one of them succumbed? More fool them if they did… She’d still be stringing me along and giving me no respect or exclusivity so she’s now blocked too.

Even basic things like going out for a meal. How many women consistently pay for you? Once maybe but that’s it.

The moment they ask for anything it’s now a block on the phone and they’re history.

Wow $200k is alot of money to lose to some SW. Thats 4-5 years worth of punting

[Axeman123]

Yes. A few years back. Was text asking for $ 2000. Was told be paid back within week. I said no and asked if I could call and find out what was going on. Was told don't ring. End of story.

[Brad-Pitt]

Yes. A few years back. Was text asking for $ 2000. Was told be paid back within week. I said no and asked if I could call and find out what was going on. Was told don't ring. End of story.

Don't understand why they just don't just approach a Bank for a loan

[schloong]

If you lend $10 to a friend & then never see them again, it's probably $10 well spent :smile:

[Axeman123]

Don't understand why they just don't just approach a Bank for a loan In her original text sHe stated that she had asked her shop first, referred to the manager and refused. What got me wondering was that this lady was (is) a big money earner. So I reckon scam.

[FangShoe]

And besides the previous "leading me by the hand across the street", a recent visit, we went for sushi (NO double entendre) after as she had time, she paid, and while I was finishing, she went off to buy me a jian bing... Consistent.

Perhaps a benefit of looking eye to eye rather than down...

That’s twice you’ve mentioned that and it was a joke said at the time. The thrust and parry of forum banter et alii.

If we were to do a comparison between us regarding a ML or WL offering a kind gesture I’d say you’ve come out the winner as I’ve never been invited out except once and then I’ve behaved badly a week before and burnt that invitation. It was to take out that ML and four of her friends from a shop on the north shore and for some reason I burnt her one week before the dinner and then simped after her the next week.

I copped a very nasty txt sent by her mamasan/bestie and it basically said what you and everyone think of me here but in more explicit terms. If course it was water off a ducks back and it meant nothing to me BUT it was said and it was an opinion piece and yet that ML still dated me after that.

Did I learn? No as you well know, even though I spent time and money collecting those women I systematically dumped them all a month ago. Deleted their numbers, the chats, their pics, everything. Now out of the blue I have an old stocker from 8 years ago who is half my age messaging me and one I dumped from August last year messaging me too…. No doubt they want something. They all do IF they’re initiating a chat with me as they know how my behaviour is.


Getting back to the free lunch, every time I take a SW out it’s because I asked and I spent. I suppose they’re very receptive to nice free lunches and gifts so am I a success with them? I know I’m not.

Turn off the tap and the well drys up.

Lesson learnt.

Btw I see there’s a SW who milked $9M from a bunch of guys in the news.

[11Bravo]

That’s twice you’ve mentioned that and it was a joke said at the time. The thrust and parry of forum banter et alii.

If we were to do a comparison between us regarding a ML or WL offering a kind gesture I’d say you’ve come out the winner as I’ve never been invited out except once and then I’ve behaved badly a week before and burnt that invitation. It was to take out that ML and four of her friends from a shop on the north shore and for some reason I burnt her one week before the dinner and then simped after her the next week.

I copped a very nasty txt sent by her mamasan/bestie and it basically said what you and everyone think of me here but in more explicit terms. If course it was water off a ducks back and it meant nothing to me BUT it was said and it was an opinion piece and yet that ML still dated me after that.

Did I learn? No as you well know, even though I spent time and money collecting those women I systematically dumped them all a month ago. Deleted their numbers, the chats, their pics, everything. Now out of the blue I have an old stocker from 8 years ago who is half my age messaging me and one I dumped from August last year messaging me too…. No doubt they want something. They all do IF they’re initiating a chat with me as they know how my behaviour is.

Getting back to the free lunch, every time I take a SW out it’s because I asked and I spent. I suppose they’re very receptive to nice free lunches and gifts so am I a success with them? I know I’m not.

Turn off the tap and the well drys up.

Lesson learnt.

Btw I see there’s a SW who milked $9M from a bunch of guys in the news.
Hey, I enjoy the banter - so much more refreshing than the "how old is she?" drivel. Just used the reference for context: it's happened more than once.

As you say, a kind gesture, a nice person doing something nice for a nice person. Lot of "nices" in there, which I like. She sees you as a person, you're a person. She sees you as an ATM...

What you gain by the slash and burn attitude is beyond me... seems pretty counterproductive, but I'm not you.

[Brad-Pitt]

In her original text sHe stated that she had asked her shop first, referred to the manager and refused. What got me wondering was that this lady was (is) a big money earner. So I reckon scam.

Big money earner. But also big spenders. So nothing gets saved and just breaks even after her paychecks.

[Double_Adapter]

I've been known to lend my cock to chicks that need help, free-in-aide of course. A philanthropist of sorts or for lack of a better term a phallus-anthropist. A recent booty call I received late one night the chick literally used me as a giant dildo. When she got sufficiently wet, she hops on cowgirl style, swaying and grinding away until she climaxed into a body spasm, sweaty and tired she flips over and asks to be fucked hard (ie by this she means hit her A spot). After that episode I felt so used and abused.

[schloong]

But smiling no doubt lol

[B0nkers]

I've been known to lend my cock to chicks that need help, free-in-aide of course. A philanthropist of sorts or for lack of a better term a phallus-anthropist. A recent booty call I received late one night the chick literally used me as a giant dildo. When she got sufficiently wet, she hops on cowgirl style, swaying and grinding away until she climaxed into a body spasm, sweaty and tired she flips over and asks to be fucked hard (ie by this she means hit her A spot). After that episode I felt so used and abused.

Haha, you went to far with this. Totally unbelievable.Now if you said "large dildo" most would have believed.
It's been a long time since I've enjoyed that kind of abuse. The only abuse I get these days is from the ex and that's not enjoyable, it's just sad.

[Candy1234]

If I did, I probably need to borrow my money back to pay her for the hour 😉 Narh, no go
zone for sure unless you want her to “love” you, doubt it.

[Mr Pineapple]

Extra money means more services. I aint a bank! Your never going to see the cash again, make sure your getting something for your transaction.

Amen! That's the game. Im paying to root you, if you want something extra from me than I want to get my moneys worth as we all know it don't grow on trees!

[Bangers1111]

Lent cash to 3 girls, all when they were pretty hard up.

One was during Covid lock down, couldn't work and had just spent most of the money she had saved on the dodgy course she was doing for her visa. Haven't seen any of that. She is a ML and we did FS all the time so the plan was to get free/cheap extras. Problem was she was working too far away and I couldn't really get there. Lost contact with her. I asked for $$ back and she was adamant on paying back by service only.

2nd one was a smallish loan, let's call it credit. Took her over 9 months to pay back in dribs and drabs, but she paid it back. It was awkward and painful really.

3rd one, 'lent' her money to move into a new place, mamasan had got her the previous place and she felt like she was been taken advantage of. She has paid me back a little bit of that, knocked some off for cheap private service here and there and I am sure that I have missed some small amounts I have lent her here and there when she wasn't working. I am down a couple of K for sure. We speak regularly and i go see her at the shop from time to time but I have just about written it off. I don't ask her anymore. She promises to pay back but never has enough money to do so.

So, in summary, I guess the answer is no. Don't think of it as a loan, think of it as a gift. If you can't afford to go without the money you are 'lending' them, then definitely don't do it.

There is something that bugged me about paying to see them when they owes me money as well, but that is a whole new comment I think! Hard to do especially when I got top notch service from them and both were and are still pretty hot!

[FangShoe]

It depends on how entwined you become.

A lot have difficulty getting their name on a lease. So you are asked to help. The last one did a runner and left early, two months early. So it’s not just the money, its putting your name down for things.

Taking them to get prescription glasses, flu shots, booking holidays. All in your name. What about when she opens a chat and shows you a bill for education or a health related issue for a relative overseas? Don’t you feel sorry for the sick relative and pay?

Paying for UPS so the family has full time internet due to power issues, paying for a water tank so they can flush their toilets or take a shower, paying for the pressure pump, paying for water filtration. Did I pay for those, yes.

Look I’m not as bad a simp as others. My mate paid for a bridge in a village in Burma. Maybe there’s a bronze statue of him to show what a simp looks like on the street corner there?

[Ron the rimmer]

It depends on how entwined you become.

A lot have difficulty getting their name on a lease. So you are asked to help. The last one did a runner and left early, two months early. So it’s not just the money, its putting your name down for things.

Taking them to get prescription glasses, flu shots, booking holidays. All in your name. What about when she opens a chat and shows you a bill for education or a health related issue for a relative overseas? Don’t you feel sorry for the sick relative and pay?

Paying for UPS so the family has full time internet due to power issues, paying for a water tank so they can flush their toilets or take a shower, paying for the pressure pump, paying for water filtration. Did I pay for those, yes.

Look I’m not as bad a simp as others. My mate paid for a bridge in a village in Burma. Maybe there’s a bronze statue of him to show what a simp looks like on the street corner there?

As they say. A fool and his money are easily departed. We’ve all heard it before

[Burgundy]

My mate paid for a bridge in a village in Burma. Maybe there’s a bronze statue of him to show what a simp looks like on the street corner there?

What's the going rate on a bridge these days?

[11Bravo]

There is something that bugged me about paying to see them when they owes me money as well, but that is a whole new comment I think! Hard to do especially when I got top notch service from them and both were and are still pretty hot!
No, I understand her need for cash flow, so tell her to save up and pay it back as a lump sum. That lump sum burden can be an inducement.


So, in summary, I guess the answer is no. Don't think of it as a loan, think of it as a gift. If you can't afford to go without the money you are 'lending' them, then definitely don't do it.
Correct. You don't do it for them, you do it for yourself.


It depends on how entwined you become.

A lot have difficulty getting their name on a lease. So you are asked to help. The last one did a runner and left early, two months early. So it’s not just the money, its putting your name down for things.

Taking them to get prescription glasses, flu shots, booking holidays. All in your name. What about when she opens a chat and shows you a bill for education or a health related issue for a relative overseas? Don’t you feel sorry for the sick relative and pay?

Paying for UPS so the family has full time internet due to power issues, paying for a water tank so they can flush their toilets or take a shower, paying for the pressure pump, paying for water filtration. Did I pay for those, yes.

Look I’m not as bad a simp as others. My mate paid for a bridge in a village in Burma. Maybe there’s a bronze statue of him to show what a simp looks like on the street corner there?

Yea, I remember a post from a previous incarnation when you spoke about taking a girl to see a doctor and paid for the visit (and got viciously slammed for the most part, the slammers not understanding the expat situation). You try and come across as this high and mighty, but you do spring a few "leaks" now and then, and obviously understand an expat viewpoint that many here don't.

I did receive my "sick buffalo" vaccination a LONG time ago, still effective, so I can tell the difference between an ATM ask and a genuine ask. If you (2nd person plural) can't, then don't. But if you can, as I said above, you do it for yourself. How often do you get a chance to really make a difference in someone's life for something as simple as a loan/gift? The repayment? That comes from WITHIN. Bridge? That I'd definitely have a photo of.

[AHLUNGOR]

Enough debates on the subject of lending money to the ML.

I have a true story to share which went the other way around:

Way back in the good old days. A prominent senior member of the forum lost his wallet on a Friday afternoon, so in need of some emergency cash for the weekend until the bank opens on money. That was before you can almost pay everything with your smart phone.

He was a regular at a well known shop and had been friends with the Mamasan so the madam lended him $1,000 cash to get by, no question asked.

That’s what the friends are for and it went both ways.

Cheers

[supersleuthee]

If you end up lending them money, I've got some snake oil I can sell you...

[JesseMcCartney]

As they say. A fool and his money are easily departed. We’ve all heard it before
There are entire villages in SE Asia being financed and supported by these fools/simps

[JesseMcCartney]

Enough debates on the subject of lending money to the ML.

I have a true story to share which went the other way around:

Way back in the good old days. A prominent senior member of the forum lost his wallet on a Friday afternoon, so in need of some emergency cash for the weekend until the bank opens on money. That was before you can almost pay everything with your smart phone.

He was a regular at a well known shop and had been friends with the Mamasan so the madam lended him $1,000 cash to get by, no question asked.

That’s what the friends are for and it went both ways.

Cheers
Same here. Mine was the other way too. ML gave me extras during the session

At the end, I realised I had no extra cash. She told me "it's okay, just give me next time". I came back the next week to give it to her

She actually trusted me enough that I will come back to give her the Extra tip that I owed. And it was my first time seeing her... there are still some trusting kind hearted ML/WL's out there

[rooter]

A WL gave me a cigarette once. But I don't even smoke. But I appreciated the generosity of the gesture.

[suka03]

In Australia you get good wages, even if you don’t earn enough take an extra job. Work hard, By borrowing money of other people doesn’t really solve their life, instead more debt. As the we lend them, most of these people will break their promise by due date or you will not see it comeback.

When you lend to someone/ML expect that money will be gone unless they don’t break promises. Same as I did lend it to my cousin when it comes to due date as promised could not pay it back after delay 1-2 months and still could not get it back. I said to him, keep it. I never lend people money again. I lost trust of their promises.

[Springwaterr]

Lend money with the intention you will never get it back

Decide whether you think its worth or not. Paying a small price to get to see humanity's good or bad is a fun gamble

[FangShoe]

What's the going rate on a bridge these days?

“The end justified the means”.

If a goal is morally important enough, any method of getting it is acceptable.

Do you ever play a hand in directing people’s lives? I’d say I deconstructed one of his and contructed his second. Over a period of time he sought my advice, it was given and he followed. Now he has what he always wanted, a family.

[Burgundy]

“The end justified the means”.

If a goal is morally important enough, any method of getting it is acceptable.

Do you ever play a hand in directing people’s lives? I’d say I deconstructed one of his and contructed his second. Over a period of time he sought my advice, it was given and he followed. Now he has what he always wanted, a family.

I wasn't questioning the validity of the gesture so much as I was ignorant and genuinely curious about the price of bridge, if you had that info.

[Double_Adapter]

I wasn't questioning the validity of the gesture so much as I was ignorant and genuinely curious about the price of bridge, if you had that info.

You can pick up a swing bridge from India mart for a few hundred bucks. So the bloke in question wouldn't have paid that much for it (hope she was worth it)

https://m.indiamart.com/

[FangShoe]

Yea, I remember a post from a previous incarnation when you spoke about taking a girl to see a doctor and paid for the visit (and got viciously slammed for the most part, the slammers not understanding the expat situation). You try and come across as this high and mighty, but you do spring a few "leaks" now and then, and obviously understand an expat viewpoint that many here don't.

Ah those women, well I have a very short memory on purpose. Too many cross my path.

Though when I think back on things more memories from last year pop up. Like the ML who I took to get two sets of reading glasses for as she needed them badly, or the ML who I took to get her flu shots as everyone in the shops she worked at were sick or the WL who I negotiated a deal on something quite expensive or the WL who had a sore arm from jerking off too many guys so I booked and paid for a course of treatment at a clinic in the city.

Memories… maybe it was the WL who I organised a contraceptive implant for as I didn’t want to father any of her kids? They last three years apparently but I never got the full benefit of that as we split… well I dropped her.

Once you get involved you do get involved.

I’m full of leaks but whether I post about them all is another thing as there’s a saying, “let sleeping dogs lie”.

Sometimes I get involved and then I think where are we going, do I want commitment and then I think no, I don’t need commitment so don’t get too attached. Next.

[FangShoe]

You can pick up a swing bridge from India mart for a few hundred bucks. So the bloke in question wouldn't have paid that much for it (hope she was worth it)

https://m.indiamart.com/

Who’d have thought they sold bridges like that?




I wasn't questioning the validity of the gesture so much as I was ignorant and genuinely curious about the price of bridge, if you had that info.

It was a timber bridge, with round posts in the ground and sawn timber on top. No doubt constructed from local timber. The previous one was washed away. That’s about all I can tell you really. I’d say given the locale the biggest cost would be labor.

[FangShoe]

A WL gave me a cigarette once. But I don't even smoke. But I appreciated the generosity of the gesture.

Maybe it was her way of tipping. What’s a durry worth nowadays, $5 ?

[Burgundy]

You can pick up a swing bridge from India mart for a few hundred bucks. So the bloke in question wouldn't have paid that much for it (hope she was worth it)

https://m.indiamart.com/

Comparable price to a sex swing maybe, pick your swing poison.


It was a timber bridge, with round posts in the ground and sawn timber on top. No doubt constructed from local timber. The previous one was washed away. That’s about all I can tell you really. I’d say given the locale the biggest cost would be labor.

Thanks, that'll satisfy my autism for the day.

[11Bravo]

Ah those women, well I have a very short memory on purpose. Too many cross my path.
Well, as often heard in this domain, "Up to you", but IMHO, you're shortchanging yourself. I have any number of fond memories stretching back decades of the niceties received/given from/to providers I'll never see again. But the memories linger (advantage of the "old days" when LT was the norm, playing "bride for the night"). Hopefully they feel the same. I just don't see it as zero-sum.

[FangShoe]

Duplicate post see below.

[FangShoe]

Well, as often heard in this domain, "Up to you", but IMHO, you're shortchanging yourself.


Up to you… read my suggestions below and if it was up to me it’d have happened, but it didn’t.


In actual fact there was one I’d settle down with. But she is way too slow on the uptake, I’ve punted her a lot, dated her a lot, advised her on things, given her gifts, money and such but some women are either too reserved in real life given their background, are still stuck in a dead end existing relationship with a loser and no completion date or have been burnt by failed promises and find it difficult to trust. So after 14 months I deleted her number due to her slowness and that was it. I may still punt her if I can be bothered but it’s a mind game after all and you have to have the “mind set” to be turned on by the experience.

I’m of the opinion we would have made an ideal couple as I’m very tolerant of a lot of things. She could have had a free hand to do absolutely anything with my help.

An example, I offered to take her and her bestie overseas for two weeks and pay them what they normally make a week as a retainer, plus pay for everything and give them spending money. I don’t know why they declined? I also offered to take thirteen of her friends out to dinner. Just myself and them. The suggestion was dress up in evening attire and go to one of the best places in Sydney, then go out afterwards. Sex wasn’t a requirement. It just didn’t happen.

There’s a saying “never look a gift horse in the mouth”. Now I’m of the opinion I have every positive attribute going but didn’t succeed with her.

The other saying is “ you cannot whip a dead horse” and maybe she’s stuck in her mindset and I don’t have the time to spend analysing her. She’s already taken enough time and yes she knows I had multiple GFs while I dated her but I’d have gladly dropped them if she committed. All it’d have taken was a request.

Logic doesn’t work for some it seems.

[11Bravo]

Up to you… read my suggestions below and if it was up to me it’d have happened, but it didn’t.

By definition, providers cum and go (pun intended). The "up to you" was in reference to what you do after their departure. Seems you do a complete purge, DUMPING EVERYTHING. I retain the little memories, wishing them well.

Traveling together? That takes REAL compatibility. Perhaps some have the integrity to not accept certain "obligations" that "All expenses paid" might imply...

As to being "slow"? Back in the aughts, I knew an a-lister, absolute stunner, fantastic service, intelligent, witty, complete package. She was telling me that a client had just offered her a solo "contract": move in with him (no rent), he'd pay for food, clothes, everything, PLUS 10K/USD/month. She wouldn't have to hit the bars any more, life of leisure. I told her guess I wouldn't be seeing her around any more; I'd miss her. She said no, she turned him down. Liked her independence.

PERHAPS, to you, a life of leisure. To her, a gilded cage. PERHAPS NOT.