The Politics Thread - Sydney option

[AHLUNGOR]

With the next Federal Election only a month away, I was wondering if there was a thread about election or politics before and found this one. There were some bitching going on here but a few interesting and meaningful replies as well.

The original thread was 11 years old in the Brisbane GT section and talking about Tony Abbott at the time, gee, hadn't time flown !!

Looking back a bit, since the steady hands of Johnny Howard, we had 7 different Prime Ministers (with Kevin Rodd making a brief return but gone again when he loss to Abbott).

Personally I think the Labours had a good run with Hawke and Keating, then it's the LNP's turn with Johnny. They were all good PMs in my book, compare to the bunch we got today at Canberra, which is pretty ordinary to say the least. Our close friend the USA didn't do too well either, look at what Trump and Joe and now Trump again have done to their country !

So, what do we have here, Albo again or Dutton ?


What say you ?

[Massagecreep]

With the choice we have, it’s obvious why the informal vote (as well as the teal vote) is increasing.
Today’s election highlight was Albo tumbling off the stage. Alarmingly reminiscent of bumbling Joe Biden….

[stallionmachine123]

Look at the economy thread going on here.

[17012430]

Which party will let more J and K WL in to the country?

[yunglean]

My man is asking the right questions

[GoldfishMan]

With the choice we have, it’s obvious why the informal vote (as well as the teal vote) is increasing.
Today’s election highlight was Albo tumbling off the stage. Alarmingly reminiscent of bumbling Joe Biden….
Are you really going to cast your vote based on someone tripping up? Come on, surely you can have a bit more depth? Ideas don't matter, the guy just doesn't have to look sheepish.... Is that it?

[GoldfishMan]

With the next Federal Election only a month away, I was wondering if there was a thread about election or politics before and found this one. There were some bitching going on here but a few interesting and meaningful replies as well.

The original thread was 11 years old in the Brisbane GT section and talking about Tony Abbott at the time, gee, hadn't time flown !!

Looking back a bit, since the steady hands of Johnny Howard, we had 7 different Prime Ministers (with Kevin Rodd making a brief return but gone again when he loss to Abbott).

Personally I think the Labours had a good run with Hawke and Keating, then it's the LNP's turn with Johnny. They were all good PMs in my book, compare to the bunch we got today at Canberra, which is pretty ordinary to say the least. Our close friend the USA didn't do too well either, look at what Trump and Joe and now Trump again have done to their country !

So, what do we have here, Albo again or Dutton ?


What say you ?

100% with Albo.
Or should I say 100% AGAINST Dutton:
- dodgy insider trader MOFO
- huge house-flipper. This makes him an active contributor to the housing crisis, not just someone who doesn't do anything to fix it!
- looks like a potato
- Trump fanboi with nowhere near the intellect or support as Trump has
- says he's gonna cut loose 40k Government employees. Where do you think they're gonna go?
- 80%+ of jobs in the market now are Gov jobs. He's gonna stop the hiring. Guess what's gonna happen to the Aussie job market?
- what's his plan against cutting Gov spending? Trump has tariffs, MAGA, presumably resulting in lots more production jobs in the USA to offset those job losses (hopefully). That's Trump's plan.... I think! What's Dutton's plan?

[Wayne]

100% with Albo.
Or should I say 100% AGAINST Dutton:
- dodgy insider trader MOFO
- huge house-flipper. This makes him an active contributor to the housing crisis, not just someone who doesn't do anything to fix it!
- looks like a potato
- Trump fanboi with nowhere near the intellect or support as Trump has
- says he's gonna cut loose 40k Government employees. Where do you think they're gonna go?
- 80%+ of jobs in the market now are Gov jobs. He's gonna stop the hiring. Guess what's gonna happen to the Aussie job market?
- what's his plan against cutting Gov spending? Trump has tariffs, MAGA, presumably resulting in lots more production jobs in the USA to offset those job losses (hopefully). That's Trump's plan.... I think! What's Dutton's plan?

Too right. You forgot to add his crazy plan for nuclear reactors, sometime in the never never. A ridiculous expensive concept (no plan, no costings, just an idea) that has only one motivation: so Gina and Clive can sell more fossil fuels in the interim. Dutton’s billionaire supporters are worried about having stranded assets (coal and gas fields that they can’t exploit). And people are dumb enough to fall for the avalanche of propaganda generated by Gina, Clive and Rupert’s billions. Reminds me of the classic Monty Python line when Brian is addressing the masses:
“You’ve got to think for yourselves.”
“We do.”
“I don’t.”

[Vader]

Albo has been the worst Prime Minister in Australian History followed by K Rudd. Totally screwed the country

[JJBlows]

100% with Albo.
Or should I say 100% AGAINST Dutton:
- dodgy insider trader MOFO
- huge house-flipper. This makes him an active contributor to the housing crisis, not just someone who doesn't do anything to fix it!
- looks like a potato
- Trump fanboi with nowhere near the intellect or support as Trump has
- says he's gonna cut loose 40k Government employees. Where do you think they're gonna go?
- 80%+ of jobs in the market now are Gov jobs. He's gonna stop the hiring. Guess what's gonna happen to the Aussie job market?
- what's his plan against cutting Gov spending? Trump has tariffs, MAGA, presumably resulting in lots more production jobs in the USA to offset those job losses (hopefully). That's Trump's plan.... I think! What's Dutton's plan?

Your argument against Dutton is correct, but albo is just as bad as Dutton.

They are both fuckwits playing each side of the political spectrum that either way it swings, one fucks over the other and vice versa.

The older I get the more I realise that politics is influenced by money for making more money and the average man can't seem to get a break.

[thefatness]

They’re both horrid choices. If Chris Minns was running for PM in federal politics, I’d vote for Labor. Minns at least has a spine and is willing to stand up to the outrageous demands from the rail union even though the unions are key backers of his party.

[Cassius1]

Albo is afraid act unless Rupert fires him. We know who’s really running the country. but the administration has actually been pretty good, far better than past liberal governments. Inflation is a bitch but it’s an international problem and a government can’t do much about it in fact. Dutton is a blow hard. He says anything to suit the occasion. He has no policies whatsoever. As for the fight over Trump tariffs, Albo is doing the right thing and staying low key and staying out of the shit fight in my view.

[Icegodofhungary]

I reckon Albo’s had a sneaky punt or two in his time, living all those years in Balmain and Marrickville. Even if it was just ‘accidently’ mistaking an RNT for a legit massage place and getting a happy ending, right?

Dutton probably sees prostitutes and punters as barely a step above criminals (regardless of the legality status in any particular jurisdiction) and would be too full of self-loathing if he gave it a try.

[AllInJimmy]

Albo has been the worst Prime Minister in Australian History followed by K Rudd. Totally screwed the country

On what basis?

Rudd doesn't get enough credit. We were strong during the gfc thanks to his govt

[woodland]

Easy Peaszy Albanese

[GoldfishMan]

Your argument against Dutton is correct, but albo is just as bad as Dutton.

They are both fuckwits playing each side of the political spectrum that either way it swings, one fucks over the other and vice versa.

The older I get the more I realise that politics is influenced by money for making more money and the average man can't seem to get a break.

Can't argue with you about Albo. I don't think he's good either, but it's just a case of the lesser of 2 evils.

Dutton simply has way too many red flags to ignore, plus a change in government is always going to be disruptive and costly. Projects that the current Gov has spent $$$ on might suddenly be scrapped leaving us with nothing to show for it.

In other words, people need to understand the full impact when they vote a different party into power.

[HiredGoon]

100% with Albo.
Or should I say 100% AGAINST Dutton:
- dodgy insider trader MOFO
- huge house-flipper. This makes him an active contributor to the housing crisis, not just someone who doesn't do anything to fix it!
- looks like a potato
- Trump fanboi with nowhere near the intellect or support as Trump has
- says he's gonna cut loose 40k Government employees. Where do you think they're gonna go?
- 80%+ of jobs in the market now are Gov jobs. He's gonna stop the hiring. Guess what's gonna happen to the Aussie job market?
- what's his plan against cutting Gov spending? Trump has tariffs, MAGA, presumably resulting in lots more production jobs in the USA to offset those job losses (hopefully). That's Trump's plan.... I think! What's Dutton's plan?

You think Trump has intellect? I've got a bridge you might like to buy...

[AHLUNGOR]

They’re both horrid choices. If Chris Minns was running for PM in federal politics, I’d vote for Labor. Minns at least has a spine and is willing to stand up to the outrageous demands from the rail union even though the unions are key backers of his party.

Should Gladys make a comeback?

[HiredGoon]

Should Gladys make a comeback?

We need less corruption, not more.

[personaa]

Dutton has all the horrible policies in my book. Cut down 40k jobs , spend billions on nuclear power plant, Stop WFH and they don't even have a clear plan. A guy who left his electorate for a dinner party in Sydney to join his millionaire friends is not to be trusted. He also has that dodgy shares deal in his resume and I'm sure he would chase his dream to privatise Medicare (the way libs started cutting funds to healthcare and as result we have a co-payment now).Frankly, I wish I could vote for Chris Minns to become PM instead of Albo

Just watch Jane Hume's (Shadow finance) interview on ABC, she is clueless. Lambie embarrassed her quite well.

Albo is not what I expected but Dutton is 100 times worse . I just hope he retires from politics, can't think of anyone more hateful than him. I am all with Malcolm Turnbull. He makes the worst prime minister for a multicultural country.

[HiredGoon]

Dutton has all the horrible policies in my book. Cut down 40k jobs , spend billions on nuclear power plant, Stop WFH and they don't even have a clear plan. A guy who left his electorate for a dinner party in Sydney to join his millionaire friends is not to be trusted. He also has that dodgy shares deal in his resume and I'm sure he would chase his dream to privatise Medicare (the way libs started cutting funds to healthcare and as result we have a co-payment now).Frankly, I wish I could vote for Chris Minns to become PM instead of Albo

Just watch Jane Hume's (Shadow finance) interview on ABC, she is clueless. Lambie embarrassed her quite well.

Albo is not what I expected but Dutton is 100 times worse . I just hope he retires from politics, can't think of anyone more hateful than him. I am all with Malcolm Turnbull. He makes the worst prime minister for a multicultural country.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j1cHq4rliCA

[schloong]

Politicians are like nappies: both should be changed often & for the same reason... :burn:

[GoldfishMan]

You think Trump has intellect? I've got a bridge you might like to buy...

Haha, you're just blinded by hatred.

[thefatness]

Should Gladys make a comeback?

I think she did pretty well running NSW during the pandemic years but she’ll always have the corrupt tag to her.

[HiredGoon]

Haha, you're just blinded by hatred.

Interesting counter argument but no I’m not that stupid.

[AHLUNGOR]

Haha, you're just blinded by hatred.

I think the Americans would either love Trump or hate him. Unfortunately he’s now the most powerful man in the world - again! and everything he does would affect millions of people world wide.

Ps. There are now two versions of MAGA - make America go away !

[GoldfishMan]

I think the Americans would either love Trump or hate him. Unfortunately he’s now the most powerful man in the world - again! and everything he does would affect millions of people world wide.

Ps. There are now two versions of MAGA - make America go away !

Hahaha, I quite like this version of it!

[AHLUNGOR]

Hahaha, I quite like this version of it!


All the Canadians would agree !!


https://i.etsystatic.com/56773857/r/il/075a6a/6671187247/il_fullxfull.6671187247_eyaj.jpg

[Vader]

On what basis?

Rudd doesn't get enough credit. We were strong during the gfc thanks to his govt

Just look at their track record.

[personaa]

Trump imposes tariff on McDonald Island with 0 population and only habitants are Penguins! I'm more convinced he used Chatgpt!

[Supersmashbros]

I think Trump has the right ideas, but the way he implements these ideas is very questionable. I understand he is playing the long term game, which will benefit the country in 5 years time. Until then, majority of people will be hit hard.

[BongoMongo]

Just reading through a few threads on politics and economics in this forum. Didn’t know this was such a highbrow community! Guess playboy magazine got the formula right from the beginning haha

[Double_Adapter]

What a load of fucken cow dribble and horse shit!

Trump ain't a fucken politician he's an old fat greedy business man that is running the US like a fucken giant business. It's all about greed, power, profits and money, and it ain't get any simpler than that!

As for our politicians they're all fucken spineless, clueless and crooked lying fuck wits - the only time a politician tells the truth is when he calls another politician a liar. Anyways everyone knows the only difference between a politician and a flying pig is the the letter F.

Plus you get more truth and facts from an Escorts & Babes ad than you do from governments, politicians, religions, science, education and the legal system.

[blackm0nk]

With the next Federal Election only a month away, I was wondering if there was a thread about election or politics before and found this one. There were some bitching going on here but a few interesting and meaningful replies as well.

The original thread was 11 years old in the Brisbane GT section and talking about Tony Abbott at the time, gee, hadn't time flown !!

Looking back a bit, since the steady hands of Johnny Howard, we had 7 different Prime Ministers (with Kevin Rodd making a brief return but gone again when he loss to Abbott).

Personally I think the Labours had a good run with Hawke and Keating, then it's the LNP's turn with Johnny. They were all good PMs in my book, compare to the bunch we got today at Canberra, which is pretty ordinary to say the least. Our close friend the USA didn't do too well either, look at what Trump and Joe and now Trump again have done to their country !

So, what do we have here, Albo again or Dutton ?


What say you ?

To hell with both of them.

[trampslikeus55]

What a load of fucken cow dribble and horse shit!

Trump ain't a fucken politician he's an old fat greedy business man that is running the US like a fucken giant business. It's all about greed, power, profits and money, and it ain't get any simpler than that!

As for our politicians they're all fucken spineless, clueless and crooked lying fuck wits - the only time a politician tells the truth is when he calls another politician a liar. Anyways everyone knows the only difference between a politician and a flying pig is the the letter F.

Plus you get more truth and facts from an Escorts & Babes ad than you do from governments, politicians, religions, science, education and the legal system.
Always love the way you tell it as you see it DA.
Trump is a lot of things but stupid isn't one of them. America, and for most of the world in general, is heading for the proverbial brick wall. Their debt, more than 34 trillion, is not serviceable with taxation. And most think they already pay to much tax. The implementation of tariffs is not to effect other countries. It is to make the businesses in America more viable against those countries. After WW2 it was known as protectionism. And it was in place across the world so that countries could get back on their collective feet. And it worked.
As for the merits of us discussing politics on this forum, I can see it turning into batshit arguments. But whilst the merits of either side can be debated there is, to me anyway, one policy that is a no brainer. Nuclear power is the only sustainable solution to energy efficiency. If you don't see that, then I can't help you. How it happens, what form it takes and where it ends up is something to fight over. But something that has a 60 to 100 year life span and will operate continuously, against something that suffers from wind droughts, or needs a battery to continue and both have 10 to 15 year lifespans.
I can still remember the Whitlam era, and the campaign slogan of "It's Time". My grandmother infamously said to a group of us that if Whitlam was the answer, what was the question. When the Labour party pushed Albo in front of Bill Shorten I often thought to myself what was the question. 👍

[AHLUNGOR]

I think Trump has the right ideas, but the way he implements these ideas is very questionable. I understand he is playing the long term game, which will benefit the country in 5 years time. Until then, majority of people will be hit hard.


Lots of people in the US and around the world are currently resting upon the idea that as bad as the next four years would be under Trump, he won't be around when the next election comes, so hold on tight and things will get better. However, in a recent interview, Trump hinted that there are some pathways around in which he could seek a third term and that would bring on a whole new ball game:

Check out this article for the Australian Financial Review:



https://www.afr.com/world/north-america/he-s-not-kidding-here-s-how-trump-could-serve-a-third-term-20250402-p5loel

[GoldfishMan]

When the Labour party pushed Albo in front of Bill Shorten I often thought to myself what was the question. 👍

I believe the question was "who has a better looking head?".

[GoldfishMan]

Lots of people in the US and around the world are currently resting upon the idea that as bad as the next four years would be under Trump, he won't be around when the next election comes, so hold on tight and things will get better. However, in a recent interview, Trump hinted that there are some pathways around in which he could seek a third term and that would bring on a whole new ball game:

Check out this article for the Australian Financial Review:



https://www.afr.com/world/north-america/he-s-not-kidding-here-s-how-trump-could-serve-a-third-term-20250402-p5loel

I think most people are probably now looking at Thomas Matthew Crooks like he's a tragic messiah who failed at the most crucial step. Just one inch more to the left and he could've spared the world all this pain. Like a modern day repeat of Claus von Stauffenberg's failed assassination of Hitler.

[trampslikeus55]

I think most people are probably now looking at Thomas Matthew Crooks like he's a tragic messiah who failed at the most crucial step. Just one inch more to the left and he could've spared the world all this pain. Like a modern day repeat of Claus von Stauffenberg's failed assassination of Hitler.
You maybe late to the party here. Crooks was the patsy. Shooter was in the water tower behind. Missed Trump and then shot Crooks. FBI and local police are in a spat about it. Seems CIA, although being referred as Military Establishment operative at this point. More will come out in the months ahead. Everything has been deep cleaned in record time to destroy all evidence but it appears someone has the bullets. And they are not from Crooks gun. Stay tuned.💰💰💰

[trampslikeus55]

I believe the question was "who has a better looking head?".
That would be a good debate right there. Shorten has way more scalps than Albo and all of his are woman 👍

[dewayne]

Albo isnt great but Dutton is a total nonstarter. Little dimwit.

Trump doesn't have any ideas, he's just burning down that country so his rich friends can loot it.

Watch how Dutton complains about "woke" and other nonsense. He's just importing US "culture war" talking points that have no basis in real life. Just a bunch of BS to get the oldies angry enough to leave the house to vote, but it's not real and doesnt affect the average person in any way.

We need someone better than Albo who won't try to play both sides of the field at once. Someone who will both strengthen Australia AND the safety net, which would improve quality of life across the board. I don't think there's a good answer unfortunately.

We need to protect ourselves while the global economy collapses, basically.

[bistro]

Unpopular Opinion, i dont want to see any of these two candidates leading us.... most are all not so good and only based things by copying the old books.

I would like to see people from other backgrounds to lead us, Indians or Asians... we have CEOs of big companies across the globe who are from these two races, bringing different ideas...

Sadly, none of the Asian MPs are strong candidate at the moment, gotta wait a couple years more... hopefully one day Australia will be led by a PM with other colours but white... its been a long time, and people think Australian are racists because PMs is always white...

[personaa]

Shorten's daughter is a hottie. A babe!

[AHLUNGOR]

Unpopular Opinion, i dont want to see any of these two candidates leading us.... most are all not so good and only based things by copying the old books.

I would like to see people from other backgrounds to lead us, Indians or Asians... we have CEOs of big companies across the globe who are from these two races, bringing different ideas...

Sadly, none of the Asian MPs are strong candidate at the moment, gotta wait a couple years more... hopefully one day Australia will be led by a PM with other colours but white... its been a long time, and people think Australian are racists because PMs is always white...

If Albo loses the election, Penny Wong will be the new Labour leader and your wish may come true in 2028 !

Stay tune

Cheers

[AHLUNGOR]

Shorten's daughter is a hottie. A babe!


For a President’s daughter, no one is hotter than Ivanka !

End of discussion.

Cheers

[schloong]

Aaahhh - some sanity in this thread! :surprise:

[GoldfishMan]

Shorten's daughter is a hottie. A babe!
Not his genes though. She's from his wife's previous marriage. But I agree, a total hottie!

[Vader]

If Albo loses the election, Penny Wong will be the new Labour leader and your wish may come true in 2028 !

Stay tune

Cheers

Nah, Jim Chalmers would get it.

[BongoMongo]

Lots of people in the US and around the world are currently resting upon the idea that as bad as the next four years would be under Trump, he won't be around when the next election comes, so hold on tight and things will get better. However, in a recent interview, Trump hinted that there are some pathways around in which he could seek a third term and that would bring on a whole new ball game:

Check out this article for the Australian Financial Review:



https://www.afr.com/world/north-america/he-s-not-kidding-here-s-how-trump-could-serve-a-third-term-20250402-p5loel

Yeh I think there’s a strong chance that Trump will be around for a lot longer than just this term. Every act he is doing just seems to be out of the dictator handbook and I suspect all the things he is doing now is preparation and setting up the pretext to effectively stage some form of coup…take control of media (e.g. White House press), take control of military, take control of intelligence (e.g. CIA, NSA) take control of voting mechanisms (e.g. US postal service), cause internal division eventually resulting in violent rebellion such that he has an excuse to enact emergency powers…

[Double_Adapter]

Nuclear power is the only sustainable solution to energy efficiency. If you don't see that, then I can't help you. How it happens, what form it takes and where it ends up is something to fight over. But something that has a 60 to 100 year life span and will operate continuously, against something that suffers from wind droughts, or needs a battery to continue and both have 10 to 15 year lifespans.


Yep couldn't agree more! Renewable energy is like fucken fools gold and the juice ain't worth the fucken squeeze. Nuclear energy (and weaponry) is the only way forward and word on the street is that uranium ain't the flavour of the month - overtaken by a new kid on the block called 'thorium' - more efficient, more powerful and less toxic than uranium. In fact China has so much of this shit that it can power the whole country for another 65k years - it's fucken insane. While Oz has the largest deposits of uranium in the planet India has the largest deposits of thorium - and what are both countries doing about it? Arguing over a fucken cricket match - its fucked!

[HiredGoon]

Yep couldn't agree more! Renewable energy is like fucken fools gold and the juice ain't worth the fucken squeeze. Nuclear energy (and weaponry) is the only way forward and word on the street is that uranium ain't the flavour of the month - overtaken by a new kid on the block called 'thorium' - more efficient, more powerful and less toxic than uranium. In fact China has so much of this shit that it can power the whole country for another 65k years - it's fucken insane. While Oz has the largest deposits of uranium in the planet India has the largest deposits of thorium - and what are both countries doing about it? Arguing over a fucken cricket match - its fucked!

Thorium reactors are a long way off though, we can't just keep burning coal until they're ready.
And you really want to pay way more for your electricity with nuclear power? Dutton's not even serious about it, it's just a delay tactic and a distraction to keep supporting the big mining company donors and to make it look like they've actually got an energy policy.

https://youtu.be/HYNQEK_-WLM?si=gRrZNZS3AQBWtnb5

[personaa]

Nah, Jim Chalmers would get it.

I think Chalmers would make a much better PM compared to Albo. The least, he is very articulate and knows how to communicate effectively, something that Albo lacks as keeps mumbling most of the times.

[GoldfishMan]

Yeh I think there’s a strong chance that Trump will be around for a lot longer than just this term. Every act he is doing just seems to be out of the dictator handbook and I suspect all the things he is doing now is preparation and setting up the pretext to effectively stage some form of coup…take control of media (e.g. White House press), take control of military, take control of intelligence (e.g. CIA, NSA) take control of voting mechanisms (e.g. US postal service), cause internal division eventually resulting in violent rebellion such that he has an excuse to enact emergency powers…

Gotta agree with this. He wants to be a US version of Putin. Everything points in that direction.

[GoldfishMan]

Yep couldn't agree more! Renewable energy is like fucken fools gold and the juice ain't worth the fucken squeeze. Nuclear energy (and weaponry) is the only way forward and word on the street is that uranium ain't the flavour of the month - overtaken by a new kid on the block called 'thorium' - more efficient, more powerful and less toxic than uranium. In fact China has so much of this shit that it can power the whole country for another 65k years - it's fucken insane. While Oz has the largest deposits of uranium in the planet India has the largest deposits of thorium - and what are both countries doing about it? Arguing over a fucken cricket match - its fucked!

Nuclear power defo gets my vote. Actually some of the stuff Dutton is selling makes a lot of sense. The 20% gas reservation for the east coast makes A LOT of sense.

I've always thought that Australia is the perfect place to use nuclear power, we were just sabotaged by irresponsible groups in the past like CANE who left us in such a disadvantaged position now. I hope they rot in hell, them and friends of the earth fucken hippies.

But still, the negatives far outweigh the positives. Dutton must not take power or we will all be in trouble.

[Double_Adapter]

Thorium reactors are a long way off though, we can't just keep burning coal until they're ready.
And you really want to pay way more for your electricity with nuclear power? Dutton's not even serious about it, it's just a delay tactic and a distraction to keep supporting the big mining company donors and to make it look like they've actually got an energy policy.



See that's the problem with western democracies - too fucken soft, too fucken woke, too fucken spineless. Dictatorships like China, Russia, North Korea, Iran et al don't have those types woke problems - they just get on with it and do it regardless of whether nations get upset. What our politicians need, is to grow a set of fucken balls (so that rules out Penny Wong from the race).

Anyway China will have its first thorium power plant ready to fire up in 2030 (5 yrs to fucken build) and they've got plans for another 30 plants, yet here we are debating the time it takes us to build a windmill, the pros or cons of global warming, coal, gas, solar, wind, diesel powered submarines, EV, desalination plants, gender diversity, working from home, 3 day working week, carbon emissions trading, the voice, immigration intakes, and the latest MAFS episode.

https://resonantnews.com/2025/01/03/china-to-start-construction-of-its-thorium-reactor-in-2025/

[GoldfishMan]

See that's the problem with western democracies - too fucken soft, too fucken woke, too fucken spineless. Dictatorships like China, Russia, North Korea, Iran et al don't have those types woke problems - they just get on with it and do it regardless of whether nations get upset. What our politicians need, is to grow a set of fucken balls (so that rules out Penny Wong from the race).

Anyway China will have its first thorium power plant ready to fire up in 2030 (5 yrs to fucken build) and they've got plans for another 30 plants, yet here we are debating the time it takes us to build a windmill, the pros or cons of global warming, coal, gas, solar, wind, diesel powered submarines, EV, desalination plants, gender diversity, working from home, 3 day working week, carbon emissions trading, the voice, immigration intakes, and the latest MAFS episode.

https://resonantnews.com/2025/01/03/china-to-start-construction-of-its-thorium-reactor-in-2025/

Couldn't have said it better myself. Nobody achieved anything meaningful by being a coward. Time to drink a cup of concrete and be a pioneer for a change!

[HiredGoon]

See that's the problem with western democracies - too fucken soft, too fucken woke, too fucken spineless. Dictatorships like China, Russia, North Korea, Iran et al don't have those types woke problems - they just get on with it and do it regardless of whether nations get upset. What our politicians need, is to grow a set of fucken balls (so that rules out Penny Wong from the race).

Anyway China will have its first thorium power plant ready to fire up in 2030 (5 yrs to fucken build) and they've got plans for another 30 plants, yet here we are debating the time it takes us to build a windmill, the pros or cons of global warming, coal, gas, solar, wind, diesel powered submarines, EV, desalination plants, gender diversity, working from home, 3 day working week, carbon emissions trading, the voice, immigration intakes, and the latest MAFS episode.

https://resonantnews.com/2025/01/03/china-to-start-construction-of-its-thorium-reactor-in-2025/

I don't know what "wokeness" and authoritarian regimes have to do with anything I said.

And I'd be very surprised if that thorium recactor will be operational in five years but I guess we'll see.

[Hedonisticfun]

With the next Federal Election only a month away, I was wondering if there was a thread about election or politics before and found this one. There were some bitching going on here but a few interesting and meaningful replies as well.

The original thread was 11 years old in the Brisbane GT section and talking about Tony Abbott at the time, gee, hadn't time flown !!

Looking back a bit, since the steady hands of Johnny Howard, we had 7 different Prime Ministers (with Kevin Rodd making a brief return but gone again when he loss to Abbott).

Personally I think the Labours had a good run with Hawke and Keating, then it's the LNP's turn with Johnny. They were all good PMs in my book, compare to the bunch we got today at Canberra, which is pretty ordinary to say the least. Our close friend the USA didn't do too well either, look at what Trump and Joe and now Trump again have done to their country !

So, what do we have here, Albo again or Dutton ?


What say you ?

Used to be a Labor voter but they're no longer for the working class .. C'mon $5 tax cut , no sign of the $275 power cut and borrowing to heavy spending with a billion to Ukraine , reminiscent of the Whitlam years.

Thought Dutton would be ok but Labor in another guise , still with the Paris Accord . I'm going One Nation even though they won't dominate, at least preferences will go to coalition and show that the 2 major parties are on the nose

[Hedonisticfun]

I think she did pretty well running NSW during the pandemic years but she’ll always have the corrupt tag to her.

I liked Gladys as well and remember her as Transport Minister pity about her corruption tag but love makes you do stupid things involved with that clown .She saw the railways as a incompetent service and told them as much and put them on notice , unions be damned .

[AHLUNGOR]

Used to be a Labor voter but they're no longer for the working class .. C'mon $5 tax cut , no sign of the $275 power cut and borrowing to heavy spending with a billion to Ukraine , reminiscent of the Whitlam years.

Thought Dutton would be ok but Labor in another guise , still with the Paris Accord . I'm going One Nation even though they won't dominate, at least preferences will go to coalition and show that the 2 major parties are on the nose

Mate, you are upset about the billion in support to Ukraine , how about the AUKUS nuclear submarine deal. Let’s look at what ABC said about that :


Australia's decision to buy three nuclear-powered submarines and build another eight is so expensive that, for the $268 billion to $368 billion price tag, we could give a million dollars to every resident of Geelong, or Hobart, or Wollongong.


I certainly won’t be around to pay for that but spare a thought for my children and their children’s children !

[HiredGoon]

Mate, you are upset about the billion in support to Ukraine , how about the AUKUS nuclear submarine deal. Let’s look at what ABC said about that :


Australia's decision to buy three nuclear-powered submarines and build another eight is so expensive that, for the $268 billion to $368 billion price tag, we could give a million dollars to every resident of Geelong, or Hobart, or Wollongong.


I certainly won’t be around to pay for that but spare a thought for my children and their children’s children !

There's also the 40 billion that the LNP gave to businesses who didn't end up needing it during covid!

[BongoMongo]

I don't know what "wokeness" and authoritarian regimes have to do with anything I said.

And I'd be very surprised if that thorium recactor will be operational in five years but I guess we'll see.

Yeh I like the idea of nuclear power, but we just don’t have the expertise or existing industry for it. It will likely take a very long time for us to replace any significant part of the grid with nuclear. Not really sure how far Dutton has thought about it.

[GuitarJost]

I just hope regardless of who wins they get to form majority government.

[fted]

Dictatorships like China, Russia, North Korea, Iran et al don't have those types woke problems - they just get on with it and do it regardless of whether nations get upset.

I don't think citing the very worst dictatorships in the world is quite the flex you think it is.

[Double_Adapter]

I don't think citing the very worst dictatorships in the world is quite the flex you think it is.


When you got this many nuclear warheads you ain't need no fucken flexing. Makes you realise what a fucken waste of time, resources, money and loss of lives the Ukraine-Russia war has resulted in.....a unwinnable war!

https://www.icanw.org/nuclear_arsenals

[HiredGoon]

When you got this many nuclear warheads you ain't need no fucken flexing. Makes you realise what a fucken waste of time, resources, money and loss of lives the Ukraine-Russia war has resulted in.....a unwinnable war!

https://www.icanw.org/nuclear_arsenals

How do you think the world should've handled the Ukraine invasion?

Of course the idea of nuclear weapons is supposed to be a deterrent, they're not supposed to be used because that would cause Mutual Assured Destruction. Interesting that the only country to ever use nuclear weapons is the US.

[Dolphinjuice]

How do you think the world should've handled the Ukraine invasion?

Of course the idea of nuclear weapons is supposed to be a deterrent, they're not supposed to be used because that would cause Mutual Assured Destruction. Interesting that the only country to ever use nuclear weapons is the US.

Just turn a blind eye and pretend they're just fireworks.

Jk obviously the only logical thing to do is for USA to actually honour the agreement of defending Ukraine should Russia attacks. But no, sleepy Joe is sleepy.

[HiredGoon]

Some Liberal party supporters commissioned a report into nuclear power that determined there's not enough water for nuclear power.

https://www.theguardian.com/environment/2025/apr/09/not-enough-water-available-for-coalitions-nuclear-proposal-to-run-safely-report-finds

[AHLUNGOR]

Some Liberal party supporters commissioned a report into nuclear power that determined there's not enough water for nuclear power.

https://www.theguardian.com/environment/2025/apr/09/not-enough-water-available-for-coalitions-nuclear-proposal-to-run-safely-report-finds

Try to tell the people along the flooding zones in Qld and NSW that there ain’t enough water for the nuclear plants!

[HiredGoon]

Try to tell the people along the flooding zones in Qld and NSW that there ain’t enough water for the nuclear plants!

Well it has to be consistent water and also not a flooded area I would imagine...

[AHLUNGOR]

Well it has to be consistent water and also not a flooded area I would imagine...



We should strategically build some large dams along the flood plains and solve the water issues then put the nuclear reactors nearby. Why not ask our largest trading partner aka the infrastructure giant to build everything. These mega projects can easily be funded by iron, coal, wine, lobster or natural gas.

Better still, if the government has the balls to cancel the AUKUS deal, we should have plenty of money to build everything we ever needed - as per Paul Keating.


Cheers

[HiredGoon]

We should strategically build some large damx along the flood plains and solve the water issues then put the nuclear reactors nearby. Why not ask our largest trading partner aka the infrastructure giant to build everything. These mega projects can easily be funded by iron, coal, wine, lobster or natural gas.

Better still, if the government has the balls to cancel the AUKUS deal, we should have plenty of money to build everything we ever needed - as per Paul Keating.


cheers

Dams do not create water. Not a reliable source.

[priapus1966]

Better still, if the government has the balls to cancel the AUKUS deal, we should have plenty of money to build everything we ever needed - as per Paul Keating.



Correct. The " US Alliance" is with a country which cannot be trusted, and has far too much potential to involve us in their disputes in the Northern hemisphere.

[Double_Adapter]

We ain't got enough water? What a load of fucken horse shit! This whole planet is covered in water - in fact 70% is water.

We ain't got enough rare minerals and natural resources? What a load of fucken cow dribble! We got fucken limitless amounts of plutonium, radium, polonium, thorium, uranium, nickel, neodymium, cobalt, oil, coal, gas, wind, solar, and magnetic energy. We got everything we need, we just gotta grow some balls, dig the shit up and start getting creative.
And someone will ask - what do we do with all the toxic waste? Well, we set up our operations in a third world country and dump all our toxic shit there....every other country does it or as per the Chinese version of an AC/DC song "dirty nickel done dirt cheap"

Anyways on the subject of lack of energy and water, there's fucken shit loads of countries going nuclear desalination (nuclear power and fresh water - bingo!). And what are we doing about it? FUCK ALL.....Oh but it's too expensive to build and how are we gonna pay for it? For fucks sake, we've literally spent trillions of dollars on fucken Covid, vaccines, lockdowns, the fucked up French submarine project, AUKUS, Voice referendum, Robodebt, VIC commonwealth games, supporting the Ukraine war, bullshit space programs to Ur-anus etc.....the list is as long as a roll of toilet paper and our fucken stupid governments are on a spending spree wasting money on shit we ain't need just so they can get re-elected or elected.

[AHLUNGOR]

We ain't got enough water? What a load of fucken horse shit! This whole planet is covered in water - in fact 70% is water.

We ain't got enough rare minerals and natural resources? What a load of fucken cow dribble! We got fucken limitless amounts of plutonium, radium, polonium, thorium, uranium, nickel, neodymium, cobalt, oil, coal, gas, wind, solar, and magnetic energy. We got everything we need, we just gotta grow some balls, dig the shit up and start getting creative.
And someone will ask - what do we do with all the toxic waste? Well, we set up our operations in a third world country and dump all our toxic shit there....every other country does it or as per the Chinese version of an AC/DC song "dirty nickel done dirt cheap"

Anyways on the subject of lack of energy and water, there's fucken shit loads of countries going nuclear desalination (nuclear power and fresh water - bingo!). And what are we doing about it? FUCK ALL.....Oh but it's too expensive to build and how are we gonna pay for it? For fucks sake, we've literally spent trillions of dollars on fucken Covid, vaccines, lockdowns, the fucked up French submarine project, AUKUS, Voice referendum, Robodebt, VIC commonwealth games, supporting the Ukraine war, bullshit space programs to Ur-anus etc.....the list is as long as a roll of toilet paper and our fucken stupid governments are on a spending spree wasting money on shit we ain't need just so they can get re-elected or elected.


Brother DA, great post !

I always knew we are a country of plenty, just never be able to name them all, until now - excellent works !

I think being a relatively small country (only in terms of populations............lol) but big in natural resources, we just have to play our cards right and be neutral in world politics, there is no reason why we can't be as rich and as prosperous as the tiny island nation of Singapore. Just follow their leads in gaining benefits from both sides.


Cheers

[HiredGoon]

We ain't got enough water? What a load of fucken horse shit! This whole planet is covered in water - in fact 70% is water.

We ain't got enough rare minerals and natural resources? What a load of fucken cow dribble! We got fucken limitless amounts of plutonium, radium, polonium, thorium, uranium, nickel, neodymium, cobalt, oil, coal, gas, wind, solar, and magnetic energy. We got everything we need, we just gotta grow some balls, dig the shit up and start getting creative.
And someone will ask - what do we do with all the toxic waste? Well, we set up our operations in a third world country and dump all our toxic shit there....every other country does it or as per the Chinese version of an AC/DC song "dirty nickel done dirt cheap"

Anyways on the subject of lack of energy and water, there's fucken shit loads of countries going nuclear desalination (nuclear power and fresh water - bingo!). And what are we doing about it? FUCK ALL.....Oh but it's too expensive to build and how are we gonna pay for it? For fucks sake, we've literally spent trillions of dollars on fucken Covid, vaccines, lockdowns, the fucked up French submarine project, AUKUS, Voice referendum, Robodebt, VIC commonwealth games, supporting the Ukraine war, bullshit space programs to Ur-anus etc.....the list is as long as a roll of toilet paper and our fucken stupid governments are on a spending spree wasting money on shit we ain't need just so they can get re-elected or elected.

So nuclear reactors along the coast? I look forward to your report as you seem to be an expert in this stuff.

[Double_Adapter]

So nuclear reactors along the coast? I look forward to your report as you seem to be an expert in this stuff.

Some of you blokes have been paying too much attention to mainstream media, politicians, political parties, and social media apps like tik tok, facebook, instagram and grinder, and fuck it wouldn't surprise me if some blokes get relationship advice from reality tv shows like MAFS.

Anyways it seems that lately there's a whingers pandemic doing the rounds - we ain't got this, we ain't got that, not enough rare minerals, shortage of water, climate change, shortage of power generation plants, shortage of technical expertise, the country is going to shit, there ain't enough WLs in the industry, not enough shops and RnTs, talent is mediocre and at an all time low, there ain't no decent $150/hr shops anymore, not enough Korean or Vietnamese WLs entering the industry, not enough pussy slides or bareback on offer, shops being overrun by old Chinese boilers, EB photos and profiles are fake ad nauseam.

I reckon there'd be a ton of countries that would love to have what we have including our punting scene. Some probably dream of having suburbs like Campsie were every fucken second shop is a rub 'n tug, and where rubbers are optional. Some dream of having forums like this one where it's free to join and you get accurate and up to date 24x7 news on just about anything and everything, including intel on brothels, massage parlours, privates, sugar babies and free expert advice on legal, medical, technological, psychological, financial, environmental, social, religious, relationship, romance, and sexual matters.

[Wayne]

Do you know how much water is required to cool a nuclear reactor? It's around 60,000 litres per second. And it has to be pure fresh water, that can not be recycled. Australia is the driest continent on earth (only Antarctica has less rain); and we are near our limits for domestic and agricultural use as it is. We are already draining more out of the ground than can be replenished. It is sheer stupidity to further damage the artisan basin. Dutton's concept - note it is not a funded plan - for nuclear power stations, sometime in the distant future, is pure political sophistry. The only interest he is serving are the half dozen mining billionaires who worry about having stranded assets of fossil fuels. You are a fool if you believe a word Dutton says.

[HiredGoon]

Some of you blokes have been paying too much attention to mainstream media, politicians, political parties, and social media apps like tik tok, facebook, instagram and grinder, and fuck it wouldn't surprise me if some blokes get relationship advice from reality tv shows like MAFS.

Anyways it seems that lately there's a whingers pandemic doing the rounds - we ain't got this, we ain't got that, not enough rare minerals, shortage of water, climate change, shortage of power generation plants, shortage of technical expertise, the country is going to shit, there ain't enough WLs in the industry, not enough shops and RnTs, talent is mediocre and at an all time low, there ain't no decent $150/hr shops anymore, not enough Korean or Vietnamese WLs entering the industry, not enough pussy slides or bareback on offer, shops being overrun by old Chinese boilers, EB photos and profiles are fake ad nauseam.

I reckon there'd be a ton of countries that would love to have what we have including our punting scene. Some probably dream of having suburbs like Campsie were every fucken second shop is a rub 'n tug, and where rubbers are optional. Some dream of having forums like this one where it's free to join and you get accurate and up to date 24x7 news on just about anything and everything, including intel on brothels, massage parlours, privates, sugar babies and free expert advice on legal, medical, technological, psychological, financial, environmental, social, religious, relationship, romance, and sexual matters.

Nah I’m paying attention to the CSIRO. https://www.csiro.au/en/news/all/articles/2024/december/

You make some super logical points though. The “mainstream media” argument is always a particular favourite.

[schloong]

I haven't followed the mainstream media for over 20 years as it's a total croc.

I have an idiot neighbour who reads newspapers & watches the news on telly & takes it all as gospel. Like I said, he's an idiot.

I get my news from various independent sources...

[GoldfishMan]

Do you know how much water is required to cool a nuclear reactor? It's around 60,000 litres per second. And it has to be pure fresh water, that can not be recycled. Australia is the driest continent on earth (only Antarctica has less rain); and we are near our limits for domestic and agricultural use as it is. We are already draining more out of the ground than can be replenished. It is sheer stupidity to further damage the artisan basin. Dutton's concept - note it is not a funded plan - for nuclear power stations, sometime in the distant future, is pure political sophistry. The only interest he is serving are the half dozen mining billionaires who worry about having stranded assets of fossil fuels. You are a fool if you believe a word Dutton says.

That's not true. Water used in a nuke reactor is within a "closed loop". As it cools the core, the water is heated into steam which is then condensed and fed back into the loop. This closed loop needs to be kept 100% water tight in a normal functioning reactor because any leakage can result in thermal runaway due to loss of coolant.

That 60k litres a second figure is probably the amount of water that is used within the system, but it's certainly not "lost". The same 60k litres will again go through the system at some point as the system cycles through.

[Double_Adapter]

Nah I’m paying attention to the CSIRO. https://www.csiro.au/en/news/all/articles/2024/december/
.

Hey bro the link is dead?

Anyways, the CSIRO is a government funded entity and they get around $1bn a year carry out research. So any research which contradicts the government's agenda won't make the news and they'll probably get funding cuts in retaliation. In terms of bleeding edge research the CSIRO is ranked 20-30 in the world so there's better institutions out there - take the Vatican for example (now that is one fucked up organisation with many dark secrets).

I think all/most of these government funded organisations are full of horse shit! Take NASA for example they get around $20bn a year for producing a bunch of photoshopped images of the galaxy and planets...I reckon Escorts and Babes can produce better ps images than NASA.

Then they have the fucken hide to ask for more money so they can do more research, more photoshopping, and send a probe to Ur-anus (which a squillion light years away)....WTF!. If I was in charge of NASA I'd be saying 'there's a fucken plane that's been missing for 10 years it has MH370 stamped on it and it's somewhere in our backyard - now fuck off and don't come back until you find iit'

[HiredGoon]

I get my news from various independent sources...

Any examples of these sources?

[Wayne]

That's not true. Water used in a nuke reactor is within a "closed loop". As it cools the core, the water is heated into steam which is then condensed and fed back into the loop. This closed loop needs to be kept 100% water tight in a normal functioning reactor because any leakage can result in thermal runaway due to loss of coolant.

That 60k litres a second figure is probably the amount of water that is used within the system, but it's certainly not "lost". The same 60k litres will again go through the system at some point as the system cycles through.

No matter how sealed a system is, there will always be leakage. And that 60,000L/sec figure is present. Multiple that by factors of 1000 to include water storage for cooling. And this is for a small nuclear reactor. Dutton is proposing multiple, so you get these figures times 16 or 20 (depending on what day of the week he is speaking). The amount of water necessary is the realm of multiple sydharbs.

[HiredGoon]

Hey bro the link is dead?

Anyways, the CSIRO is a government funded entity and they get around $1bn a year carry out research. So any research which contradicts the government's agenda won't make the news and they'll probably get funding cuts in retaliation. In terms of bleeding edge research the CSIRO is ranked 20-30 in the world so there's better institutions out there - take the Vatican for example (now that is one fucked up organisation with many dark secrets).

I think all/most of these government funded organisations are full of horse shit! Take NASA for example they get around $20bn a year for producing a bunch of photoshopped images of the galaxy and planets...I reckon Escorts and Babes can produce better ps images than NASA.

Then they have the fucken hide to ask for more money so they can do more research, more photoshopping, and send a probe to Ur-anus (which a squillion light years away)....WTF!. If I was in charge of NASA I'd be saying 'there's a fucken plane that's been missing for 10 years it has MH370 stamped on it and it's somewhere in our backyard - now fuck off and don't come back until you find iit'

https://www.csiro.au/en/news/all/articles/2024/december/nuclear-explainer

So “mainstream media” and government agencies are both full of shit, so where did you get your information from? There was quite a bit on the csiro report in the news because Dutton immediately said it was wrong and the head of the csiro said politicians shouldn’t be undermining our institutions.

Not sure what nasa has to do with any of this.

[HiredGoon]

Although I did hear recently that NASA thinks there's a possibility there's life on my anus but I could've told them that there definitely is years ago so that's a huge waste of money.

[SinSeeker]

We should strategically build some large dams along the flood plains and solve the water issues then put the nuclear reactors nearby. Why not ask our largest trading partner aka the infrastructure giant to build everything. These mega projects can easily be funded by iron, coal, wine, lobster or natural gas.

Better still, if the government has the balls to cancel the AUKUS deal, we should have plenty of money to build everything we ever needed - as per Paul Keating.


Cheers

Nuclear energy is one of the most expensive sources of energy. There are plenty of independent studies conducted on that. Peter Dutton is obviously pandering to his oligarch masters, same as the liberal predecessors did with the AUKUS deal. If we had just continued with the submarine deal with France, even if we upgraded it to Nuclear, we would have got the submarines for billions of dollars less and decades earlier.

Solar is by far the cheapest source of electricity. Rather than spending billions of dollars on building nuclear reactors from scratch, wouldn't it be more logical to upgrade the networks to utilise the feed in electricity from household solar panels more efficiently?Heck, it would be cheaper to subsidise batteries as well.

I would say ANYONE BUT DUTTON. Racist MOFO!!

[dewayne]

Anyone complaining about the cost of solar or wind needs to look at alibaba for just 30 seconds and see that 100 big black dildos are $5 a piece but if you scale it up to 100000 big black dildos they become $2 a piece. Wind and solar is all made in China and becomes cheaper as you scale production. If we and other governments went in hard on wind and solar it would become cheap af very quickly.

[HiredGoon]

Anyone complaining about the cost of solar or wind needs to look at alibaba for just 30 seconds and see that 100 big black dildos are $5 a piece but if you scale it up to 100000 big black dildos they become $2 a piece. Wind and solar is all made in China and becomes cheaper as you scale production. If we and other governments went in hard on wind and solar it would become cheap af very quickly.

I dunno man, I'm still gonna wait for DoubleAdapters latest scientific report. CSIRO have no idea what they're talking about.

[Double_Adapter]

https://www.csiro.au/en/news/all/articles/2024/december/nuclear-explainer

So “mainstream media” and government agencies are both full of shit, so where did you get your information from? There was quite a bit on the csiro report in the news because Dutton immediately said it was wrong and the head of the csiro said politicians shouldn’t be undermining our institutions.

Not sure what nasa has to do with any of this.

Thanks bro, was beginning to get Reggie Bubble vibes as the bloke had the tendency to post dead links.

Anyhow, mainstream media is the modern day pied piper of Hamelin, and you know what they say about pied pipers - He who pays the piper calls the tune.
If you want real and unbiased information head over to the dark side....though most people get spooked out when going too deep and/or they're too fucken lazy so prefer to be spoon fed the daily diarrhea that mainstream media dishes out (and after a while the diarrhea begins to taste alright - so I've been told)....but it is what it is.

Anyways, never trust information from a 'gov' web site unless they owe you something which is as rare as hens teeth; governments love to tax what you earn, tax what you buy, and tax what you own and that's how they make money, and the more they tax the more money they get, therefore more dollars to waste and squander on frivolous idiotic useless bullshit programs.

In terms of NASA, just like CSIRO they're also a government funded institution (the shock the horror) but way bigger so the lies and bullshit is in a grand scale and subsequently the bullshit they dish out is easier to spot....a bit like spotting fakes in an escorts and babes ad; though some blokes here could do with a bit of help as they still can't figure out shit from clay.

[HiredGoon]

Thanks bro, was beginning to get Reggie Bubble vibes as the bloke had the tendency to post dead links.

Anyhow, mainstream media is the modern day pied piper of Hamelin, and you know what they say about pied pipers - He who pays the piper calls the tune.
If you want real and unbiased information head over to the dark side....though most people get spooked out when going too deep and/or they're too fucken lazy so prefer to be spoon fed the daily diarrhea that mainstream media dishes out (and after a while the diarrhea begins to taste alright - so I've been told)....but it is what it is.

Anyways, never trust information from a 'gov' web site unless they owe you something which is as rare as hens teeth; governments love to tax what you earn, tax what you buy, and tax what you own and that's how they make money, and the more they tax the more money they get, therefore more dollars to waste and squander on frivolous idiotic useless bullshit programs.

In terms of NASA, just like CSIRO they're also a government funded institution (the shock the horror) but way bigger so the lies and bullshit is in a grand scale and subsequently the bullshit they dish out is easier to spot....a bit like spotting fakes in an escorts and babes ad; though some blokes here could do with a bit of help as they still can't figure out shit from clay.

What is this "dark side" you speak of with real and unbiased information?

And do you trust non-government websites owned by private companies whose only motive is profit?

Also, what do you think the CSIRO's motive would be to say that nuclear power is prohibitively expensive?

[jiminy]

Picking between two dead beats. Reality is policy hasn’t changed much. 4 years one way then 4 years the other. All useless and conflicting.

[AHLUNGOR]

Dutton just announced a $1,200 tax cut next year if he wins. Plus the rebates for first home buyers.

Enough to win the election ?

[wilisno]

Dutton just announced a $1,200 tax cut next year if he wins. Plus the rebates for first home buyers.

Enough to win the election ?
Only if you believe that will happen.

[GoldfishMan]

Picking between two dead beats. Reality is policy hasn’t changed much. 4 years one way then 4 years the other. All useless and conflicting.

True, and unfortunately this is the outcome of democracy as we know it.

It's always been made out to be "complete freedom" to choose your leader, but in reality it always boils down to only a choice between 2 usually inept individuals. Sure you can try to vote for a small 3rd party or an independent out of frustration, but you're likely wasting your vote and worse, facilitating the creation of a minority government. That's the worst outcome you can get!

EDIT: I should add that this applies to us because we use the 2-party system.

[AHLUNGOR]

True, and unfortunately this is the outcome of democracy as we know it.

It's always been made out to be "complete freedom" to choose your leader, but in reality it always boils down to only a choice between 2 usually inept individuals. Sure you can try to vote for a small 3rd party or an independent out of frustration, but you're likely wasting your vote and worse, facilitating the creation of a minority government. That's the worst outcome you can get!

EDIT: I should add that this applies to us because we use the 2-party system.


Singapore has a free election systems but in reality, it's the same party which has ruled continuously since the separation from Malaysia.

[HiredGoon]

Dutton just announced a $1,200 tax cut next year if he wins. Plus the rebates for first home buyers.

Enough to win the election ?

A tax rebate for first homebuyers is a great way to push up house prices and does nothing for supply and Labor's plan isn't much better.

[Daysgone]

True, and unfortunately this is the outcome of democracy as we know it.

It's always been made out to be "complete freedom" to choose your leader, but in reality it always boils down to only a choice between 2 usually inept individuals. Sure you can try to vote for a small 3rd party or an independent out of frustration, but you're likely wasting your vote and worse, facilitating the creation of a minority government. That's the worst outcome you can get!

EDIT: I should add that this applies to us because we use the 2-party system.

This is understandably cynical given the sorry state of Australian politics. I too am cynical about the state of things, but I would point out that we do have a preference voting system to prevent "wasting your vote."

Preference votes are very significant in Australian politics as in Australia, independents and small parties regularly win seats.

If your first preference vote doesn't count, your second ends up counting, and so on. There are a lot of good alternatives to the major parties running in most electorates, and with a bit of research, a savvy voter can find one that best represents their interests.

Voting for an independent or smaller party has no downside. Votes aren't wasted, and the Electoral Commission provides the data on who was getting first preferences, which can influence future policy and election promises. For example, even if independent candidate Joey Bloggs doesn't get elected, if he gets enough first preference votes, the major parties are more likely to take on some of his ideas in the next election.

Furthermore, Australia does not have a two-party system. There are at least four dominant parties vying to form a government in any given election; Labor, Liberals, Nationals, and Liberal Nationals of Queensland. Only one of those parties has been able to win enough votes to form a government on their own since the Howard era. Minority governments are not a scary thing, but rather, are the norm in modern Australian politics. Every Federal Coalition government since Howard has, in fact, been a minority government in a technical sense. All it means is that the dominant political party needs to seek consent to govern and pass legislation from other parties and independents, which is the way that our system is meant to work. Sometimes people misunderstand the term "two-party preferred vote," which actually refers to a counting system, which is only used once there are only two parties left in the race as votes are being counted. This is not always Labor/Coalition, depending on the electorate and the individual election results.

I wish, as a nation, that we had better political literacy. There are lot of people who believe the myth of throwing votes away, and even more people who never do even cursory research on the candidates running in their electorate. I think it went down-hill when our leaders decided to stop teaching Civics and Citizenship as a mandatory subject in high schools. Current National Assessment data shows that less than 40% of Year 10 kids understand how our political system works. No doubt most of our politicians prefer it this way.

Personally, I don't like politics. I think there are some genuine, well-intended people who go into politics, but whose efforts are overshadowed by all the corrupt, greedy bullshit. That said, I still do my bit on election day. On election day, I will be giving my first preference to a local independent, and my second preference to one of the major parties.

TLDR: Use preference voting. Put a 1 next to your first preference, a 2 next to your second preference, and so on. It is not going to throw your vote away.

[SinSeeker]

Dutton just announced a $1,200 tax cut next year if he wins. Plus the rebates for first home buyers.

Enough to win the election ?Can't see where he has promised that. Also can you trust Mr Backflip? Labour has promised a $1000 automatic deduction.

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[schloong]

A good post thanks Daysgone.

Unfortunately I have to agree with you regarding our lack of education on how our political "system" works, and it's just so crucial ass to how we function as a society.

[TechPunter]

A tax rebate for first homebuyers is a great way to push up house prices and does nothing for supply and Labor's plan isn't much better.

This is so true - both parties have no interest in lowering the price of housing or dramatically effecting supply. Can you imagine the news headlines if a party introduces an actual policy and pricing drops 5%? "Millions lost from your pocket".

[HiredGoon]

This is so true - both parties have no interest in lowering the price of housing or dramatically effecting supply. Can you imagine the news headlines if a party introduces an actual policy and pricing drops 5%? "Millions lost from your pocket".

Dutton actually said yesterday he wants house prices to keep rising.

[GoldfishMan]

Dutton actually said yesterday he wants house prices to keep rising.

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2025-04-14/dutton-wants-house-prices-to-steadily-increase-election-2025/105173904

"I don't want to see a situation where Labor crashes the economy and somebody who's paid $750,000 for a house today is worth $600,000 in 18 months' time under an Albanese government. That would be a disaster.".

It would only be a disaster if that person was trying to flip that home in 18 months. I don't get it with this guy. Is he so lost in his own world of profiting from house flipping and insider share trading that he can't even see what the Aussie public is saying to him so loudly and clearly?

[HiredGoon]

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2025-04-14/dutton-wants-house-prices-to-steadily-increase-election-2025/105173904

"I don't want to see a situation where Labor crashes the economy and somebody who's paid $750,000 for a house today is worth $600,000 in 18 months' time under an Albanese government. That would be a disaster.".

It would only be a disaster if that person was trying to flip that home in 18 months. I don't get it with this guy. Is he so lost in his own world of profiting from house flipping and insider share trading that he can't even see what the Aussie public is saying to him so loudly and clearly?

I'm obviously trying to appeal to existing homeowners and mortgage holders. The flip side is that if house prices "steadily increase" then wages need to also steadily increase, preferably slighter faster than house prices but he won't say that because that'd piss off the business lobby.

In other news, here's their pitch for the youth vote.

https://www.instagram.com/reel/DIa6JoFiGsB/

[AHLUNGOR]

Can't see where he has promised that. Also can you trust Mr Backflip? Labour has promised a $1000 automatic deduction.

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From ABC News: Peter Dutton pledges one-off $1,200 tax offset to half of taxpayers


https://www.abc.net.au/news/2025-04-12/federal-election-2025-peter-dutton-pledges-one-off-tax-offset/105169986

[HiredGoon]

From ABC News: Peter Dutton pledges one-off $1,200 tax offset to half of taxpayers


https://www.abc.net.au/news/2025-04-12/federal-election-2025-peter-dutton-pledges-one-off-tax-offset/105169986

AKA inflationary election bribe.

Respected economist Saul Eastlake called Dutton's housing policy "the worst public policy decision of the 21st century".

[personaa]

One-off 1200 rebate and will extract double the amount next year!

[trampslikeus55]

AKA inflationary election bribe.

Respected economist Saul Eastlake called Dutton's housing policy "the worst public policy decision of the 21st century".
You are a dog with a bone Vinnie. It would be a great leap to think the ABC is going to support the LNP on any subject, policy or topic ever in the lead up to an election. They live in fear that one day someone with balls will come along and cut their bloated funding. So the enemy will always be painted badly 😡

[Vader]

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2025-04-14/dutton-wants-house-prices-to-steadily-increase-election-2025/105173904

"I don't want to see a situation where Labor crashes the economy and somebody who's paid $750,000 for a house today is worth $600,000 in 18 months' time under an Albanese government. That would be a disaster.".

It would only be a disaster if that person was trying to flip that home in 18 months. I don't get it with this guy. Is he so lost in his own world of profiting from house flipping and insider share trading that he can't even see what the Aussie public is saying to him so loudly and clearly?

Labor has already crashed the economy. My Duttons family business is building and development. Developing and selling is the business. What is wrong with that? And where is your evidence on insider trading?

[Vader]

Dutton actually said yesterday he wants house prices to keep rising.

What person who owns a house does not want it to keep rising in value over time?

[HiredGoon]

You are a dog with a bone Vinnie. It would be a great leap to think the ABC is going to support the LNP on any subject, policy or topic ever in the lead up to an election. They live in fear that one day someone with balls will come along and cut their bloated funding. So the enemy will always be painted badly ��

Does Saul Eastlake work for the ABC? What are you talking about?

[HiredGoon]

What person who owns a house does not want it to keep rising in value over time?

Of course and it's inevitable. But wages need to rise too no?

[HiredGoon]

Labor has already crashed the economy. My Duttons family business is building and development. Developing and selling is the business. What is wrong with that? And where is your evidence on insider trading?

Crashed the economy how? Inflation down to Reserve Bank target, interest rates going down, unemployment at record lows, wages have risen, What metrics are you referring to?

[HiredGoon]

I'm not a huge Labor fan, I think they're not much better than the LNP, but you gotta look at the actual data, not just have feels.

[GoldfishMan]

Labor has already crashed the economy. My Duttons family business is building and development. Developing and selling is the business. What is wrong with that? And where is your evidence on insider trading?

https://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2025/feb/26/peter-dutton-bank-shares-gfc-property-portfolio-ntwnfb

You may be right that his family business is in "development" (house flipping is development?), but that simply means he would have a conflict of interest if he were to become PM. Why would he work towards cheaper housing for Aussies when his family business benefits from the opposite? Nothing he's done or said so far shows any level of altruism required to do such a thing.

The insider trading bit, I'm sure you've read this about him buying big bank shares in "perfect timing". This is someone who's never bought any shares prior to that. If you believe there was nothing dodgy about how that happened, you go ahead and believe what you want.
To me this guy is as dodgy as they come.

[Double_Adapter]

This country is going through a classic vicious-virtuous economic cycle. The cunts in power and the ones that aspire to be in power couldn't organise a root in a brothel let alone knowing how to break free from it. What this country (or planet) needs is a big fucken shakeup in the form of a world war, a stock market crash, a global natural catastrophe or another fucken man made pandemic - that's the only way to cold reset and reboot this man made financial system and associated geopolitical tensions. And mind you, these cold resets and reboots have been used many times throughout human history and have proved to work like a charm.
Note: history as shown that warm reboots are fucken useless, temporary and don't work!

And this ain't no different from the vicious-virtuous punting cycles that punters experience; a punter will only break free from a vicious punting cycle only after getting a big wake-up call in the form of a serious STD/STI, getting caught by his wife in the middle of the act, physical health problems, getting the arse and losing his high paying job etc.

In the meantime the labor party and a few parrots here be callling Dutton a Trump wannabe........what a load of fucken cow dribble! if anyone is a Trump wannabe its gotta be fucken Clive Palmer, both old, fat, billionaires that like playing golf.

[AHLUNGOR]

In the meantime the labor party and a few parrots here be callling Dutton a Trump wannabe........what a load of fucken cow dribble! if anyone is a Trump wannabe its gotta be fucken Clive Palmer, both old, fat, billionaires that like playing golf.


Not a fan of Clive, and never will be. But I do agree with a couple of points from his and her ads:

There is only one Australian Flag that represents Australia and all Australians. And we don't need to be welcome in to our own country !!

Well said !

[Vader]

Crashed the economy how? Inflation down to Reserve Bank target, interest rates going down, unemployment at record lows, wages have risen, What metrics are you referring to?

50,000 lost their jobs in March, 1.6 million people in mortgage stress, 29,521 businesses gone bust, budget deficit for the next 40 years, 1.2 trillion debt, highest number of homeless in history, record energy costs, declining standard living each year under Albo, and a lot of the employment were public service jobs. Do you want me to keep going? Interest rates going down is to stimulate the economy and the problem with wages rising is that productivity isn't. I am not a fan of Labor or the Libs but this Labor is a disaster plus Albo is weak leader with a glass jaw. He could't even admit when he fell off the stage when it was on film for all to see.

[Vader]

https://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2025/feb/26/peter-dutton-bank-shares-gfc-property-portfolio-ntwnfb

You may be right that his family business is in "development" (house flipping is development?), but that simply means he would have a conflict of interest if he were to become PM. Why would he work towards cheaper housing for Aussies when his family business benefits from the opposite? Nothing he's done or said so far shows any level of altruism required to do such a thing.

The insider trading bit, I'm sure you've read this about him buying big bank shares in "perfect timing". This is someone who's never bought any shares prior to that. If you believe there was nothing dodgy about how that happened, you go ahead and believe what you want.
To me this guy is as dodgy as they come.

Most politicians have businesses or could have major shareholdings so I don't see it as an issue as it has been disclosed as they are required. Yes, I have read about his shares but you said "I don't get it with this guy. Is he so lost in his own world of profiting from house flipping and insider share trading that he can't even see what the Aussie public is saying to him so loudly and clearly?" I asked you for your proof but you replied it is a rumour. Big difference.

[GoldfishMan]

Most politicians have businesses or could have major shareholdings so I don't see it as an issue as it has been disclosed as they are required. Yes, I have read about his shares but you said "I don't get it with this guy. Is he so lost in his own world of profiting from house flipping and insider share trading that he can't even see what the Aussie public is saying to him so loudly and clearly?" I asked you for your proof but you replied it is a rumour. Big difference.

Rumour? These are facts we're talking about. Even Dutton has admitted to doing the trades. Here, another one just dropped:
https://www.news.com.au/national/federal-election/new-sharetrade-drama-ignites-for-peter-dutton-over-bhp-shares-selloff/news-story/cfa45437822163f4da7edd7a5e81edb3

Look, news outlets cannot outright opinionate that they think someone has done insider trading because they need that person to have been convicted in a court of law before that can do that. That's their obligation as journalists.

But we as casual observers surely must be able to make our own judgements on something that's so plainly in view.

[GoldfishMan]

50,000 lost their jobs in March, 1.6 million people in mortgage stress, 29,521 businesses gone bust, budget deficit for the next 40 years, 1.2 trillion debt, highest number of homeless in history, record energy costs, declining standard living each year under Albo, and a lot of the employment were public service jobs. Do you want me to keep going? Interest rates going down is to stimulate the economy and the problem with wages rising is that productivity isn't. I am not a fan of Labor or the Libs but this Labor is a disaster plus Albo is weak leader with a glass jaw. He could't even admit when he fell off the stage when it was on film for all to see.

I think the single most regretful act by Labor has been the stupid trade agreement they signed with India that opened the flood gates for mass Indian immigration into Australia. What the fuck were they thinking when they signed that? How stupidly gullible do you have to be to believe that that was going to be good for Australia?

All those other things that you've listed above, I reckon LNP wouldn't have fared much better.

[woodland]

I think the single most regretful act by Labor has been the stupid trade agreement they signed with India that opened the flood gates for mass Indian immigration into Australia. What the fuck were they thinking when they signed that? How stupidly gullible do you have to be to believe that that was going to be good for Australia?

All those other things that you've listed above, I reckon LNP wouldn't have fared much better.

totally, and yet they are hawks on china

[suka03]

totally, and yet they are hawks on china

I don’t get it too. many Indians bringing their own families as everything just easy to let in compare to other countries. I swear this migration is uncontrollable is way too much and it’s hurting the economy of middle class but more sorry for the low class.

[HiredGoon]

50,000 lost their jobs in March, 1.6 million people in mortgage stress, 29,521 businesses gone bust, budget deficit for the next 40 years, 1.2 trillion debt, highest number of homeless in history, record energy costs, declining standard living each year under Albo, and a lot of the employment were public service jobs. Do you want me to keep going? Interest rates going down is to stimulate the economy and the problem with wages rising is that productivity isn't. I am not a fan of Labor or the Libs but this Labor is a disaster plus Albo is weak leader with a glass jaw. He could't even admit when he fell off the stage when it was on film for all to see.

Yes, please keep going with figures that lack context. Then tell me about how you expect Dutton and Angus Taylor to do better.

[HiredGoon]

In the meantime the labor party and a few parrots here be callling Dutton a Trump wannabe........what a load of fucken cow dribble! if anyone is a Trump wannabe its gotta be fucken Clive Palmer, both old, fat, billionaires that like playing golf.

Dutton:

Wants to create a department of government efficiency, sack public servants, cut services and spend more on private consultants
Wants to charge students more for uni and tafe
Doesn't believe in public healthcare
Blames everything on immigrants
Seizes on anything he can use to be divisive
Wants to withhold funding from schools with "woke agendas"
Wants to take away citizenship from people convicted of crimes and deport them even if they've lived here their whole life
Wants to privatise public assets
Doesn't believe in climate change and wants to support coal fired power even though it defies the free market
Has a history of racism
etc....

[personaa]

Sentiment analysis. Dutton has no chance according to real punters!

https://www.tab.com.au/sports/betting/Politics/competitions/Australian%20Federal%20Politics/matches/Federal%20Election

[Double_Adapter]

Dutton:

Wants to create a department of government efficiency, sack public servants, cut services and spend more on private consultants
Wants to charge students more for uni and tafe
Doesn't believe in public healthcare
Blames everything on immigrants
Seizes on anything he can use to be divisive
Wants to withhold funding from schools with "woke agendas"
Wants to take away citizenship from people convicted of crimes and deport them even if they've lived here their whole life
Wants to privatise public assets
Doesn't believe in climate change and wants to support coal fired power even though it defies the free market
Has a history of racism
etc....


Bro you fucken giving me Reggie bubbles vibes. On one post you say you're not a Labor Party fan but then you go on a fucken rampage baggin the LNP - feels like it's coming straight out of a fucken labor party tv ad. Should I be like reading it in 1-2 secs flat as well?

Fucken politicians, political parties and governments - never trust 'em!

[HiredGoon]

Bro you fucken giving me Reggie bubbles vibes. On one post you say you're not a Labor Party fan but then you go on a fucken rampage baggin the LNP - feels like it's coming straight out of a fucken labor party tv ad. Should I be like reading it in 1-2 secs flat as well?

Fucken politicians, political parties and governments - never trust 'em!

Rampage? More like considered criticism. And why does not liking the Labor party mean I can't also criticise the LNP? And how does that not gel with your don't trust any politician or government philosophy? What are you complaining about? If you reject my comparisons of Dutton to Trump then tell me why instead of attacking me.

[AHLUNGOR]

Sentiment analysis. Dutton has no chance according to real punters!

https://www.tab.com.au/sports/betting/Politics/competitions/Australian%20Federal%20Politics/matches/Federal%20Election


The latest odds for the Labour Government to return is $1.08 which was like a Winx'r of Black Caviarish odds.

The Opposition is $9.50 - given no chance by the bookies.


Well, just for the sake of punting and in a two horse race, happy to put $10 buck on it................haha



ps. hard to find a happy ending RnT session these days for anything less than a 2 pineapples though !

[kingwally]

Dutton:

Wants to create a department of government efficiency, sack public servants, cut services and spend more on private consultants
Wants to charge students more for uni and tafe
Doesn't believe in public healthcare
Blames everything on immigrants
Seizes on anything he can use to be divisive
Wants to withhold funding from schools with "woke agendas"
Wants to take away citizenship from people convicted of crimes and deport them even if they've lived here their whole life
Wants to privatise public assets
Doesn't believe in climate change and wants to support coal fired power even though it defies the free market
Has a history of racism
etc....
Dutton:

Wants to create a department of government efficiency, sack public servants, cut services and spend more on private consultants...Brilliant!
Wants to charge students more for uni and tafe...shpuld increase International students 25% more
Doesn't believe in public healthcare...Bullshit !
Blames everything on immigrants...Bullshit !
Seizes on anything he can use to be divisive...Bullshit, Albanese tried to divide us by race with the Voice referendum
Wants to withhold funding from schools with "woke agendas"...Great idea, force them to learn stuff that gets them in the workforce.
Wants to take away citizenship from people convicted of crimes and deport them even if they've lived here their whole life...Another brilliant idea, get rid of all the gangs that are causing havoc in our community.
Wants to privatise public assets...Bullshit!
Doesn't believe in climate change and wants to support coal fired power even though it defies the free market...Brilliant..climate change is crap!
Has a history of racism....Bullshit!
etc....

[Supersmashbros]

Dutton:

Wants to create a department of government efficiency, sack public servants, cut services and spend more on private consultants
Wants to charge students more for uni and tafe
Doesn't believe in public healthcare
Blames everything on immigrants
Seizes on anything he can use to be divisive
Wants to withhold funding from schools with "woke agendas"
Wants to take away citizenship from people convicted of crimes and deport them even if they've lived here their whole life
Wants to privatise public assets
Doesn't believe in climate change and wants to support coal fired power even though it defies the free market
Has a history of racism
etc....

Sounds like a copy of Trump's policies. Department of Government Efficiency (DOGE)? Could have come up with a new name.

[Double_Adapter]

ps. hard to find a happy ending RnT session these days for anything less than a 2 pineapples though !


The way things are going a 69 will soon be called 96 due to the increasing costs of eating out.

[Hedonisticfun]

Personally hoping the LNP gets in . Voted One Nation which have buckleys of getting a win but shows my dissatifaction with the two major parties , at least ON preferences go to the LNP .. ALBO , BOWEN just utter liars and fuckwits especially this Green Energy , wind turbine , solar panel drive and subsidies . $5 tax cut well fuckin yippee ! If Labor do get in , well speaks volumes of the rest out there . Not forgetting the Voice JUST got a NO with just under half voting Yes