When the HJ is of poor quality -- do you simply quit or finish it off yourself?

[andrewv]

I don't know about other punters, but over the last few months, I've had a series of poor-quality HJ across five different shops.

The girls are mostly inexperienced or robotic when giving HJ. Sometimes, when you become aware that she is just doing the minimum to get it finished, you lose the excitement of the occasion.

What do you guys do?

(a) try to let her finish you off by hoping and praying
(b) take charge and get the job done yourself
(c) ask her to stop, quit and leave?

My bad experiences have been around suburban shops.

[Flinders102]

I have finished it off myself many times due to poor/ mechanical HJ skills. I don’t mind if the girl let me suck her boobs, but some doesn’t even let you do that.

[Kiki kong]

This is has only happened once to me. The session ended and I was still so horny. I asked if someone else was available and lucky they got me over the line. But had to pay again =(
From memory it was Apple from JK Queen that couldn't finish me off then young Jap ML was more open to more touching. Apple was nice but had 0 vibes and HJ was lacklustre.

[laneeight]

Hahah, yeah I feel like HJ quality plus TT had dropped off significantly in recent years. I used to get different techniques and body slides for the $50, now it’s just a HJ as quick as they can, which actually makes me last longer because it doesn’t feel as good lol.

I once had a fat bitch not do any TT and just ask me to flip and if a want a HJ while I was soft as. I literally said to her wtf, obviously I came for a handjob... That annoyed me so I started getting dressed. Pointed to my soft dick and I’m like look at this, you can’t even get me up why would I stay

[justincase]

Do shop or brothel managers teach/instruct the staff?

[Kiki kong]

Women shouldn’t be in the industry if they’re not motivated towards customer satisfaction. They’re not selling a product it’s a service and if they’re poor service providers it’s because they’ve never been taught the correct way, they’re stupid or they simply don’t care.

Do shop or brothel managers teach/instruct the staff?

Well there isn't a Tafe course for it lol
Like "how to suck dick and not gag"
Course TAE 0375950626 HAHAHAHA

[Daysgone]

Take it as an opportunity to teach and encourage. Crack a joke, keep the mood light.

If I'm otherwise enjoying the session and having a good time, stick around. If I'm not, then leave. There's nothing keeping me somewhere I don't want to be.

If all else fails then c'est la vie.

[dvu420]

I just leave if I feel sorry for the ML. I remember the first and last time I went to Bellevue 12 - the WL gave up trying to finish so she watched with disgust as I finished it myself.

[AHLUNGOR]

I don't know about other punters, but over the last few months, I've had a series of poor-quality HJ across five different shops.

The girls are mostly inexperienced or robotic when giving HJ. Sometimes, when you become aware that she is just doing the minimum to get it finished, you lose the excitement of the occasion.

What do you guys do?

(a) try to let her finish you off by hoping and praying
(b) take charge and get the job done yourself
(c) ask her to stop, quit and leave?

My bad experiences have been around suburban shops.


Interesting to see a thread like this started by one of our Senior Foundation Members..................haha

Actually I did have some stories to share in relation to the topics, so if you are not bored, read on...............


1. In the good old days when busty MLs were in good supply, NEVER really had a chance for a poor-quality HJ as always would prefer Spanish/titty fuck to completion. some initial TT and HJ would be just the entree to get lil Lungor interested, hard up and running.

2. Again, in the good old days, hardly ever came across any MLs who were poor in giving HJ. Corrections, there had been a few occasions when some of my mamasan friends would let me know of a NTI young ML who will need some training on the basics and happy to offer them a real cock to practice on. again, the process of exploring and training, teaching, practicing session was sensual and erotic, while the HJ might not be of quality at the time, the overall experiences of the session was high quality.

3. from memory, there could have been a couple of occasion where the MLs at the time was Not going to offer any happy ending or told me she didn't know what to do ...............lol and she just yelled out to the corridor and got another older experienced MILF to come in to finish me off. if my memory served me right, this could have been at the Newtown massage, 1/F right opposite the train station ?

4. there might also be a couple of times when the HJ was just so so, but the ML was nice enough (probably has big tits to be hold but no Spanish allowed..!..) so I would have to tell her to put more oil, use both hands, one hand holding the base, the other hand just circling around the helmet area gently and slowly. when I got close enough, asked her to hold on tight and let me fuck her hands. Most importantly, as soon as I cum, my hands will be covering hers to continue with the tight holding feelings so that she couldn't let go and stopped the pleasures mid way.............haha

There you go.

Happy punting.


Cheers


ps. as for doing it myself, it did happen once on the Gold Coast, had a quickie massage from a road side A frame sign, milfy but busty Aussie blonde from memory, massage was ok and pricey? after turn over, she told me the Queensland Law prohibited touching the genitals of the opposite sex. WTF !! so I asked: what about happy ending. she said you are welcome to DIY and I'll let you watch:

She went sit on a lounge chair opposite me, got naked, spread her legs, one hand play with her big tits and the other hand on her pussy, no choice, just do it myself, it was fairly exotic at the time, like watching porns and jerking off myself - but live !!

No touching though .............damn!

[andrewv]

Welcome to the new age of mediocre HJ at inflated prices.

One element that applies to all of the above in my case, and possibly to other punters as well, is that most of us have already visited tens or hundreds of ML/WL venues of all races, colours, sizes, styles, and HJ methods. So it is not easy to get aroused and be deeply in the mood of lust if all the girl you go to see today thinks you will climax with a massive ejaculation just because she is mechanically rubbing you up and down, and they are naked.

As we mature in our punting activities, we need better and more delightful varieties. Sadly, with 4 or 5 exceptional shops, the rest are mediocre.

In my much younger years, for example, "nude massage" meant that the girl got undressed within the first 60 seconds after she came into the room. Also, the standard massage was 60 minutes. All this bullshit today where some girls get undressed only near the end. There was no such thing as P1 and P2.

[Supersmashbros]

If it's only a minute in to the HJ and it's bad or I'm not feeling it, I would ask to cancel the extras and continue with the massage. No need to walk out as you already paid for the massage.

[MrPB]

100% get try get the ML to get me over the line. I paid for the full hour, I'm going to get the full hour!

[Supersmashbros]

Well there isn't a Tafe course for it lol
Like "how to suck dick and not gag"
Course TAE 0375950626 HAHAHAHA

The girls can only rely on hands-on experience and feedback from clients. There is no formal training and certification for sexual services at the moment. They may be in luck however as I am planning on offering personal training and mentorship in the near future, exclusive to girls working in the massage industry. The session will be held discretionaely in my bedroom, where the massuese will be able to practice sexual services and be provided live feed back to improve. My personal training program is designed for women who want to refine their HJ and BJ techniques, build confidence, and deliver exceptional intimate experiences.

Why Choose Our Training?
✔ **Master the Art of Sensual Touch** – Learn advanced techniques to create unforgettable experiences for clients.
✔ **Boost Your Earnings** – Happy clients mean repeat business, better tips, and premium service opportunities.
✔ **Confidence & Professionalism** – Handle requests with poise, set boundaries, and maintain control in every session.
✔ **Discretion & Safety** – Best practices for ensuring privacy, comfort, and mutual respect.

**What the girls will learn:**
- Techniques for sensual and erotic massage that keep clients coming back.
- Reading client cues to deliver personalized, satisfying experiences.
- Communication skills to negotiate services smoothly and professionally.
- Hygiene, safety, and legal considerations to protect yourself and your business.

This is more than just training—it’s an investment in thier craft and financial future. Whether they are new to the industry or looking to refine skills, my program helps them stand out, earn more, and work smarter.

Ask your ML to reach out to me. Limited spots available—Enroll today and take your services to the next level!

DM for details—Discretion guaranteed.

[Asiandaddy]

The girls can only rely on hands-on experience and feedback from clients. There is no formal training and certification for sexual services at the moment. They may be in luck however as I am planning on offering personal training and mentorship in the near future, exclusive to girls working in the massage industry. The session will be held discretionaely in my bedroom, where the massuese will be able to practice sexual services and be provided live feed back to improve. My personal training program is designed for women who want to refine their HJ and BJ techniques, build confidence, and deliver exceptional intimate experiences.

Why Choose Our Training?
✔ **Master the Art of Sensual Touch** – Learn advanced techniques to create unforgettable experiences for clients.
✔ **Boost Your Earnings** – Happy clients mean repeat business, better tips, and premium service opportunities.
✔ **Confidence & Professionalism** – Handle requests with poise, set boundaries, and maintain control in every session.
✔ **Discretion & Safety** – Best practices for ensuring privacy, comfort, and mutual respect.

**What the girls will learn:**
- Techniques for sensual and erotic massage that keep clients coming back.
- Reading client cues to deliver personalized, satisfying experiences.
- Communication skills to negotiate services smoothly and professionally.
- Hygiene, safety, and legal considerations to protect yourself and your business.

This is more than just training—it’s an investment in thier craft and financial future. Whether they are new to the industry or looking to refine skills, my program helps them stand out, earn more, and work smarter.

Ask your ML to reach out to me. Limited spots available—Enroll today and take your services to the next level!

DM for details—Discretion guaranteed.

Haha gold!! You must working in marketing or sumthin loll.

The main problem the MLs is that they are not business minded. They don't see clients as cash flow in a SERVICE FOCUSED industry. Their actual job is to get more regulars visiting them on a weekly basis.

That's why OF girls can make more money, they are after more subs, more views and they literally sell, sell and more sell.

Typical MLs mind set is usually this simple;
1) i need to lick
2) i need to suck
3) i need to fuck

And that's where their thinking stops unfortunately.

Rather than seeing themselves as sole traders trying to get repeat business day after day. It's sad but the honest truth is most of the girls now are just lazy minded and want to do the bare minimum, if they work in cafe or restaurant (they also do the bare minimum).

Like many of the slightly older generation punters here can attest that 10 years ago the MLs were harder working and would give superior services. It's the new generation of SWs that is lazy honestly IMHO.

I will say there are few younger MLs who want to really make money and they actually stand out from the rest.

[RLC]

I would make her get me over the line. Having said that, if the hj was poor but she will let me get a feel and dfk then I would get her doing that and finish myself

[Kiki kong]

Let’s be honest — not every HJ these days feels like a five-star finale. Some feel like the ML’s just trying to change gears in a busted-up Corolla. And yeah, we’ve all had sessions where the most exciting part was wondering if the oil was expired. But before we launch into a full-blown whinge-fest about technique and enthusiasm, maybe it’s time to check ourselves too.

Because here’s the truth — these women are human. Not robots. Not vending machines. And they sure as hell don’t owe anyone fireworks just because you rocked up, threw down cash, and took your pants off like it’s a magic ritual.

So in the interest of better finishes for all, here’s your cheeky punter PSA:

Top 5 Mood Killers for MLs (aka Why She’s Mentally Grocery Shopping Mid-Session):

1. Eau de Public Transport
If your scent enters the room before you do, it’s time to reconsider that hygiene routine. She’s here to massage muscles, not decontaminate them.

2. Pubes Like Powerlines
Clean it up, jungle king. If she needs to part the sea just to find your fella, no one’s having fun. Trim the hedge, enjoy the view.

3. Death Breath Diaries
If she recoils every time you open your mouth, your happy ending just got ghosted. Tic Tacs, boys. It’s not hard.

4. Lord of the Entitlement
Strut in like you’re Caesar and she’s your wrist gladiator? Nah. You’re not conquering Gaul — you’re getting a rub and tug in Burwood. Show some respect.

5. The Solo Symphony
Sometimes you’ve got to do it yourself. Fair play. But if you’re moaning like it’s an Oscar-winning scene and trying to lock eyes? She’s already halfway out the door mentally.

Here’s the real talk: It’s about expectations — and mutual ones.

This isn’t caveman times where you throw down coin, grunt, and expect her to swoon. It’s 2025, boys. She wants effort too. You want affection? Connection? A cheeky giggle mid-stroke? Then meet her halfway. It’s not about being a model — it’s about giving a damn.

And before you demand fireworks, ask yourself:
When was the last time you looked in the mirror and thought, “Yeah, I’d fuck that”?
Because if you wouldn’t — why the hell would she?

Put in the effort. Freshen up. Bring a vibe that’s worth her time.

And if that still doesn’t work?
Well mate… maybe you’re just plain ugly.

Lmfaoo! Your Top 5 is hilarious!
Well written and facts yo.

I usually don't bitch about a shit punt, such is life. Just like trying a new burger joint, if it ain't good then they won't get my business again or at least til I forget. Or just try something else from ther menu.

That's why some are called gems, coz you gotta sift through some dirt to find it.

[Kiki kong]

I just leave if I feel sorry for the ML. I remember the first and last time I went to Bellevue 12 - the WL gave up trying to finish so she watched with disgust as I finished it myself.

This had me laughing literally out loud. I could only imagine her face Lmaoooo

[justincase]

Why is it that punters are happy?

[forgotmyumbrella]

Exactly mate. Isn't it so easy for them? Just get naked, a little touch, and they walk away with $300 an hour. Fuck me, most people break their backs working all day to earn the same amount.
What's worse is that we're not even allowed to shame them, because we’re supposed to 'respect' them? After they disrespect us? What a joke. Too many weak men nowadays.

[forgotmyumbrella]

If a service is agreed upon, then I should receive it, no exceptions. Otherwise, I expect a refund. If CIM is listed on the website but I didn't receive it, that's not my fault.
It’s like ordering a burger that comes with chips on the menu, but when it arrives, there are no chips. You ask about it, and they say, "Oh, we're not doing chips today.". What a bloody joke.

[AllInJimmy]

Why is it that punters are happy to pay on average $220 for a FS ML and $300 for a WL with very little experience?

If I was to go pay a solicitor that hourly rate I’d want to see some sort of qualification hanging up on their wall yet everyone seems happy to roll the dice and their money on someone with no induction or training.

Weren’t concubines trained in the past? It seems any woman can just walk off the street spread her legs and get a jackpot without any effort?

Why aren’t brothel managers pairing new stock with experienced women? Surely there must be some management out there that cares?

I havent been to them but when I was "researching" a few joints in Auckland. Now bear in mind they do look more like a BodyRotic type place than an Asian RNT, they often had 2 for 1 specials where you could get a cheap hr with a new girl and an experienced ML.

[andrewv]

Why is it that punters are happy to pay on average $220 for a FS ML and $300 for a WL with very little experience?

If I was to go pay a solicitor that hourly rate I’d want to see some sort of qualification hanging up on their wall yet everyone seems happy to roll the dice and their money on someone with no induction or training.

Weren’t concubines trained in the past? It seems any woman can just walk off the street spread her legs and get a jackpot without any effort?

Why aren’t brothel managers pairing new stock with experienced women? Surely there must be some management out there that cares?

The analogy you used is defective, sorry!
Lawyers, accountants, doctors, dentists, sparkies, brick layers, etc. are regulated professions that require qualifications and accreditations.
Sex work (yes, even HE massages are sex work) is not a regulated profession. It survives on the basis of demand and supply. When quality is high (e.g. Ginza), the price goes up.
If competition is high (too much supply like in Thailand), the price drops and quality goes up.

I think some of us punters are far too serious about what we do when it comes to getting sexual services including HE and touching the women during the procedure.

[Warriorking]

You made the booty call, now cry through it and finish the job.

[justincase]

I could have half a dozen ?

[Supersmashbros]

I could have half a dozen tarts and book them all out at $300ph but that doesn’t mean the quality is high.

You can say the same thing for literally any industry.

[1inchguy]

This reminds me of the time I seen a young ml
She gave me cbj that was so bad no technique. Just head bobbling up and down. So I told her to just finish me with HJ.
HJ was shithouse too. Just fast pace.. wasn't even exciting so I end up just finishing off myself.
Kudos to her she didn't even take the BJ or HJ money.

Now days if there was a bad HJ. I just hold their hand and guide them.

[dewayne]

After fucking a regular I wanted to cum on her tits, but one time the hj couldn't make me cum. It took a bit of concentration but I was able to finish myself and dump that load right between her tits.

Then as we were getting dressed I noticed the condom wrapper and it was one of those fuckin condoms with the desensitizing shit so you last longer. She said some other punter left the box and didn't realize they had the numbing stuff on it. No wonder my guy had a rough time cumming, lol.

So it was slightly awkward for a moment but then it wasn't. All worked out.

[RLC]

If a service is agreed upon, then I should receive it, no exceptions. Otherwise, I expect a refund. If CIM is listed on the website but I didn't receive it, that's not my fault.
It’s like ordering a burger that comes with chips on the menu, but when it arrives, there are no chips. You ask about it, and they say, "Oh, we're not doing chips today.". What a bloody joke.
Nothing worse than not getting what you pay for. My pet hate is when you pay for CIM and they move their mouth away the second you cum then try and claim they took at least a good portion in their mouth but your load was too big to take it all.

[Clivus]

Too much oil stuffs me up. Then I tell her to get into 69 position and that view usually helps me get over the line.