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touchthesky
09-07-2025, 10:49 AM
This is one of the worst sessions I have had in Ginza.
I booked her this year based on the good reviews promoted by Ginza

She asked for extra money at the beginning of the session. I refused and she looked surprised.
After that, she suddenly lost her enthusiasm and started complaining in Japanese.
I left the room and went to the reception. I explained the situation and the receptionist at Ginza refunded me the full amount.
I guess these things explain why she left Ginza

Her price seems to have dropped by $10 at this store, but she's still not worth $320/hr

As always, the new Japanese girls at this store are hit and miss.
But this girl is one to avoid.

tcrawford
09-07-2025, 11:09 AM
I haven't met this girl, but based on this review it seems you reviewing her based on your Ginza experience. If she changed shop then perhaps she is starting over, maybe keep the no5 reviews based on your sessions with her at no5?

SlippinJimmy
09-07-2025, 11:16 AM
hell have no fury like a punter burned of his hard earned, good heads up but yeah she should get a chance to redeem herself

touchthesky
09-07-2025, 11:18 AM
I haven't met this girl, but based on this review it seems you reviewing her based on your Ginza experience. If she changed shop then perhaps she is starting over, maybe keep the no5 reviews based on your sessions with her at no5?

Do you think the girls would be better after they change shop? That's very interesting.

ironmonk
09-07-2025, 11:27 AM
Could have used this warning a few months ago, with the appropriate tags

tcrawford
09-07-2025, 10:47 PM
Do you think the girls would be better after they change shop? That's very interesting.

Maybe, some people learn from their mistakes. She obviously burnt bridges at Ginza.

Icegodofhungary
10-07-2025, 12:47 AM
Do you think the girls would be better after they change shop? That's very interesting.

Some people will never change, some people will learn from their mistakes or take an opportunity to do things differently with a fresh start. What type of person is this girl? I have no idea, but I suspect neither do you, unless you've tried her again since she's started at this shop?

It sounds like your experience with her was pretty bad - unless there was some misunderstanding or some context we don't know, asking you for more money in the room in a full service shop like Ginza is definitely bad form. But you got a full refund, so no harm, no foul. To go out of your way to start a thread putting 'Avoid' in the title and posting a review about her at a previous shop seems vindictive.

Would be good to hear the perspective (positive or negative) of someone who's seen her at N5M.

touchthesky
10-07-2025, 01:09 AM
Some people will never change, some people will learn from their mistakes or take an opportunity to do things differently with a fresh start. What type of person is this girl? I have no idea, but I suspect neither do you, unless you've tried her again since she's started at this shop?

It sounds like your experience with her was pretty bad - unless there was some misunderstanding or some context we don't know, asking you for more money in the room in a full service shop like Ginza is definitely bad form. But you got a full refund, so no harm, no foul. To go out of your way to start a thread putting 'Avoid' in the title and posting a review about her at a previous shop seems vindictive.

Would be good to hear the perspective (positive or negative) of someone who's seen her at N5M.

Hahaha, of course. She showed me list like a cafe menu, treats customers like an ATM, and when i refuse, she curses me in Japanese. I don't think she'll ever be rehabilitated.
Just because the money was refunded doesn't mean there's no problem. And you should know that there was a big problem with Ginza refunding the full amount.

forgotmyumbrella
10-07-2025, 07:19 AM
Hahaha, of course. She showed me list like a cafe menu, treats customers like an ATM, and when i refuse, she curses me in Japanese. I don't think she'll ever be rehabilitated.
Just because the money was refunded doesn't mean there's no problem. And you should know that there was a big problem with Ginza refunding the full amount.

I reckon OP's got a point that's just plain fucking rude. We're dropping serious cash here, and that kinda treatment is totally unacceptable. We spend 3–5 times more in a brothel than you would at a high-end restaurant. Fuck I'd probably get better customer service than that at Maccas for a burger and chips

justincase
10-07-2025, 07:53 AM
Everyone is different but I always carry extra money in case I want an extra hour and or extra women.

You go to the trouble of driving to a place 30-45mins, parking and walking 5-10mins and driving back to where you started out another 30-45mins. Effectively 1.5 hours of your time. So whilst there you should make the most of it and allocate two hours punting. It’s efficiency.

That being the case you should always carry more “folding”.

Sometimes the experience and the adventure is worth paying the extra and if you have a rep for paying then they do talk and maybe she was forthright in asking for something you’d payed previously to other women?

Every case is different and how forthright you are from the outset can determine what’s offered or what’s freely given.

If you’re eating at an Italian restaurant do you expect garlic bread to be free or something you pay for? Would you complain if it wasn’t free? Do you even ask at the outset if it’s free?

Who knows.

Did you get your money and immediately spend it on another woman at Ginza? No doubt your balls were fully loaded hence the visit. Why walk out unfulfilled?

ED69
10-07-2025, 11:22 AM
I'm sure there's a few of us who had great times with her at the other shop. She was always so funny and cheeky and I'm lucky I got to see that. I for one would like to see her do well. I won't burn someone at the stake for one bad day when we've had many good ones from her.

ergoproxy
10-07-2025, 11:33 AM
I got to experience both ends from her - first time was cold after turning down those extras, as mentioned from other peoples experiences as well.

However, on succeeding visits, even without accepting extras, she was cheeky, quirky and fun. Must be on her good days when I saw her, even on her last day.

As I’ve mentioned in Jack Jack’s original looooong ass thread, maybe her shifts here in n5m will be good for her and keep her sane. I’m going with brother Ed above and hope your experience with her from hereon out be fruitful and nice.

touchthesky
10-07-2025, 12:09 PM
Everyone is different but I always carry extra money in case I want an extra hour and or extra women.

You go to the trouble of driving to a place 30-45mins, parking and walking 5-10mins and driving back to where you started out another 30-45mins. Effectively 1.5 hours of your time. So whilst there you should make the most of it and allocate two hours punting. It’s efficiency.

That being the case you should always carry more “folding”.

Sometimes the experience and the adventure is worth paying the extra and if you have a rep for paying then they do talk and maybe she was forthright in asking for something you’d payed previously to other women?

Every case is different and how forthright you are from the outset can determine what’s offered or what’s freely given.

If you’re eating at an Italian restaurant do you expect garlic bread to be free or something you pay for? Would you complain if it wasn’t free? Do you even ask at the outset if it’s free?

Who knows.

Did you get your money and immediately spend it on another woman at Ginza? No doubt your balls were fully loaded hence the visit. Why walk out unfulfilled?

I don't understand what you saying. We pay for the services listed on the website. You know what's free and what's paid, right? What else do you need to pay? Are you saying you pay extra for suck up to girls?

After that, receptionist recommended other girls, but they weren't my type, so I left. What's wrong with that?

CharlieM
10-07-2025, 12:41 PM
Well said. Don't ever feel pressured or made to feel shit by not accepting

secret0
10-07-2025, 12:52 PM
I think regardless of whether others had good or bad service from her, or her work hours being long, or if she's had a quiet/bad day, having a shitty attitude after someone turns down any extra offered services or if she was asking for a tip right at the start of a session is just rude and bad service.

touchthesky
10-07-2025, 01:36 PM
I think regardless of whether others had good or bad service from her, or her work hours being long, or if she's had a quiet/bad day, having a shitty attitude after someone turns down any extra offered services or if she was asking for a tip right at the start of a session is just rude and bad service.

Yes, I agree with you. It's not right for someone who had a good experience with a girls to argue that it was just a bad day for them.

crhaayn
11-07-2025, 02:01 AM
It's like buying a new car and the salesman tries to sell you tint, floor mats and a detail, and you refuse, and they get mad and pout. Yeah no, don't do that.

justincase
11-07-2025, 08:12 AM
I don't understand what you saying. We pay for the services listed on the website. You know what's free and what's paid, right? What else do you need to pay? Are you saying you pay extra for suck up to girls?

After that, receptionist recommended other girls, but they weren't my type, so I left. What's wrong with that?

You go to the trouble of being there. Driving, walking, whatever, that takes time to get there and back. 1.5 hour approx yes? Why pull the pin and leave? Don’t you allocate a block of time for fun and stick to it? Maybe your life isn’t that busy?

I always pay a few hundred extra at the end of the session to each WL afterwards as a bonus. The regulars all know it and everything runs very smoothly. It’s the motivation to perform above and beyond. You do as you please and I do as I please, no need to call it “sucking up”, if it makes me happy to do it then I do it. It’s not about making them happy, I’m there to please myself only and not them. It’s all about me and the experience I get. I’m there to blow my load and that’s it, they’re attractive milking machines, nothing more.

Even if I walk in unannounced and there’s no regular WL available I’ll still take any random that’s suggested to me. I’m in the shop, I’ve made the effort to get there, made the decision to punt and I’m going through with it.

I’ve never walked out of a place without punting.

secret0
11-07-2025, 11:05 AM
I always pay a few hundred extra at the end of the session to each WL afterwards as a bonus. The regulars all know it and everything runs very smoothly. It’s the motivation to perform above and beyond.

Seems more like that spoils them and makes them feel entitled, especially if they don't even provide basic level of service if bonuses aren't paid.


It's like buying a new car and the salesman tries to sell you tint, floor mats and a detail, and you refuse, and they get mad and pout. Yeah no, don't do that.

Kinda more like a waiter who asks for a tip or if you want extra food (which you still have to pay for), and if you decline, they give you the food you already paid for but with a shitty attitude (and maybe even spat in it before serving).

Gentlemonster737
11-07-2025, 11:32 AM
booked for 1 hr at Ginza, and in the middle of the session,
She said, could we just end it here 30 minutes ?
i dont think i can do 2nd round
its more like pump and dump session nothing special

maybe that time was her bad day,
but as far as i know she is approved by jack and ED69
so she should be special

ED69
11-07-2025, 12:53 PM
booked for 1 hr at Ginza, and in the middle of the session,
She said, could we just end it here 30 minutes ?
i dont think i can do 2nd round
its more like pump and dump session nothing special

maybe that time was her bad day,
but as far as i know she is approved by jack and ED69
so she should be special

Nah mate. Only me left rating her. Lucky enough to see the best in her.

Ggrandhi2
11-07-2025, 01:59 PM
Is this the same Renee that popped up in no5 today?

tezzaman18
11-07-2025, 02:45 PM
Agree.

If I'm reading this correctly, the Op who started this thread has yet to see Renne (previously Sawa) since she started at N5M ?

And what we are seeing from this thread are unfavourable experiences @ Ginza . If I recall Sawa was on $330/hr , a Diamond service rate, why was she demanding extra $$?

Would hope she starts with a new leaf @ N5M. Let's hear from all sides.


Some people will never change, some people will learn from their mistakes or take an opportunity to do things differently with a fresh start. What type of person is this girl? I have no idea, but I suspect neither do you, unless you've tried her again since she's started at this shop?

It sounds like your experience with her was pretty bad - unless there was some misunderstanding or some context we don't know, asking you for more money in the room in a full service shop like Ginza is definitely bad form. But you got a full refund, so no harm, no foul. To go out of your way to start a thread putting 'Avoid' in the title and posting a review about her at a previous shop seems vindictive.

Would be good to hear the perspective (positive or negative) of someone who's seen her at N5M.

JamesS
11-07-2025, 08:01 PM
I think regardless of whether others had good or bad service from her, or her work hours being long, or if she's had a quiet/bad day, having a shitty attitude after someone turns down any extra offered services or if she was asking for a tip right at the start of a session is just rude and bad service.

Totally agree.

She's at a different shop (red flag) and she is still the same person who has shown her true colours to some of us.

While I'm all for giving people second chances, and can appreciate the commentary of those who have experienced her at her best, my question to anyone would be 'Why traveling to a place and paying money with someone like her who could be hit and miss when there are so many hot girls/ladies out there providing great service with the right attitude?'

Also someone mentioned shifts at No5 being favourable, just checked she is on 3pm-3am today, doesn't seem light?

I've never had a bad experience at Ginza, and I reckon there is a reason for that.

I_luv_doggie.
11-07-2025, 09:43 PM
Fuck me dead boys and girls.

I have never seen such volume of internet keyboard cum ejaculated on this lass.

Obviously a great body etc and should be a great fuck.

But obviously very much YMMV depending on whatever this lass is affected that day. The moon. The hair spray not right. Global fucken warming. Whatever fucks her up that day when she has first piss of the day.

Motto in this game; fuck early and fuck often.

If she doesn't work for you then move on and go back to the simple rule.

Fuck early and fuck often.

And if that doesn't work, then for $20 a month I'm sure there are plenty sites out there you can wank until end of days.

Peace and love to all but fuck me dead kids ......

xxxdindin
11-07-2025, 11:41 PM
I think regardless of whether others had good or bad service from her, or her work hours being long, or if she's had a quiet/bad day, having a shitty attitude after someone turns down any extra offered services or if she was asking for a tip right at the start of a session is just rude and bad service.


Exactly the point, plus cursing customers like op mentioned, that's unacceptable

scotty3d
11-07-2025, 11:49 PM
Is she still asian only like she was before ? Curious, as I've noticed that N5M hardly ever put asian only on the girl's profiles.

justincase
12-07-2025, 10:50 AM
Is she still asian only like she was before ? Curious, as I've noticed that N5M hardly ever put asian only on the girl's profiles.

Ginza is right in the heart of a certain demographic. Take a walk around and see what shops are in that area.

JamesS
12-07-2025, 05:44 PM
This is one of the worst sessions I have had in Ginza.
I booked her this year based on the good reviews promoted by Ginza

She asked for extra money at the beginning of the session. I refused and she looked surprised.
After that, she suddenly lost her enthusiasm and started complaining in Japanese.
I left the room and went to the reception. I explained the situation and the receptionist at Ginza refunded me the full amount.
I guess these things explain why she left Ginza

Her price seems to have dropped by $10 at this store, but she's still not worth $320/hr

As always, the new Japanese girls at this store are hit and miss.
But this girl is one to avoid.

Already said my 2c but wanted to also say thank you. Was interested until I read this so you saved me $ and time.

The ‘white knight’ responses you copped were BS. Accusing you straight up of being furious and unfairly burning her ‘ … for what must have been one bad day and that she’s probably totally changed now she works somewhere else blah blah …’, what a load of crap.
Funny, never seen any ‘you probably just caught her on a good day’ comments in response to the nauseating over-the-top positive reviews on here.

I’m even more thankful for negative reviews than positive. Thought this was a forum for punters, not some cheerleading group for WLs.

shugienyc
12-07-2025, 06:03 PM
I smell alternate substances at play, YMMV

de69
12-07-2025, 08:55 PM
hell have no fury like a punter burned of his hard earned, good heads up but yeah she should get a chance to redeem herself

lmaooo funny how so many ppl commenting and so many views yet not a single person is willing to go see her or no one has saw her at the new shop and reported back...

de69
12-07-2025, 08:56 PM
Maybe, some people learn from their mistakes. She obviously burnt bridges at Ginza.


Hahaha, of course. She showed me list like a cafe menu, treats customers like an ATM, and when i refuse, she curses me in Japanese. I don't think she'll ever be rehabilitated.
Just because the money was refunded doesn't mean there's no problem. And you should know that there was a big problem with Ginza refunding the full amount.

Damnnn she must of been really bad for Ginza to offer full refund

de69
12-07-2025, 09:07 PM
Everyone is different but I always carry extra money in case I want an extra hour and or extra women.

You go to the trouble of driving to a place 30-45mins, parking and walking 5-10mins and driving back to where you started out another 30-45mins. Effectively 1.5 hours of your time. So whilst there you should make the most of it and allocate two hours punting. It’s efficiency.

That being the case you should always carry more “folding”.

Sometimes the experience and the adventure is worth paying the extra and if you have a rep for paying then they do talk and maybe she was forthright in asking for something you’d payed previously to other women?

Every case is different and how forthright you are from the outset can determine what’s offered or what’s freely given.

If you’re eating at an Italian restaurant do you expect garlic bread to be free or something you pay for? Would you complain if it wasn’t free? Do you even ask at the outset if it’s free?

Who knows.

Did you get your money and immediately spend it on another woman at Ginza? No doubt your balls were fully loaded hence the visit. Why walk out unfulfilled?


I don't understand what you saying. We pay for the services listed on the website. You know what's free and what's paid, right? What else do you need to pay? Are you saying you pay extra for suck up to girls?

After that, receptionist recommended other girls, but they weren't my type, so I left. What's wrong with that?

I agree with touchthesky and also cannot see any logic or relevance to your comments....

So you are saying always carry extra money in case you want to extend or want extra women? Or are you saying if we pay and tip the girl then that would equate to "better" service?

Its the shops "JOB" to manage the girls not for us punters to drop exttra hard earnt money to tip her to get better service regardless of extra.... so you're saying if someone pays $320 for the hr but leave no tip then they get 6/10 for service but another customer who sees her and leave an extra tip cos hes dropping cash like coffee so he is "Entitled" to 9/10 service or more?

Fuck that we as punters go in, pay whats advertised in girl profile and shop website. If the girls a top performer or constantly fully booked out and the shop feels that she deserves more than that is on the shop and should come out of the shops wallet.

This is the most bizarre logic.... make the most of it while your there cos you had to commute to a brothel.... So if the girls shit or is a starfish i should still pay to extend cos i trekked it all the way out to a brothel and should make efficient use of commute time? AND extending the girl yea try that with Girls like Jessica and IU... hey reception i had a good time with her i wanna extend pls i spend an hr to commute here yo.

de69
12-07-2025, 09:09 PM
I think regardless of whether others had good or bad service from her, or her work hours being long, or if she's had a quiet/bad day, having a shitty attitude after someone turns down any extra offered services or if she was asking for a tip right at the start of a session is just rude and bad service.


It's like buying a new car and the salesman tries to sell you tint, floor mats and a detail, and you refuse, and they get mad and pout. Yeah no, don't do that.

yes 100% agree with this

de69
12-07-2025, 09:10 PM
Seems more like that spoils them and makes them feel entitled, especially if they don't even provide basic level of service if bonuses aren't paid.

Kinda more like a waiter who asks for a tip or if you want extra food (which you still have to pay for), and if you decline, they give you the food you already paid for but with a shitty attitude (and maybe even spat in it before serving).

maybe he needs to read that thread "What Japanese WLs think of punters" LOL

High69
13-07-2025, 12:33 AM
Seems more like that spoils them and makes them feel entitled, especially if they don't even provide basic level of service if bonuses aren't paid.



Kinda more like a waiter who asks for a tip or if you want extra food (which you still have to pay for), and if you decline, they give you the food you already paid for but with a shitty attitude (and maybe even spat in it before serving).

Those CUNT’s who paid for the additional extra list hyped her and her performance but some of them didn't meet their expectations who denied
definitely they need to see this
What a burner but not all of them

forgotmyumbrella
13-07-2025, 05:10 AM
Those CUNT’s who paid for the additional extra list hyped her and her performance but some of them didn't meet their expectations who denied
definitely they need to see this
What a burner but not all of them

There's definitely some cunts here hyping up some girls for whatever reason, just ends up raising everyone's expectations.
No idea what metrics he's using, cause some top-notch, hard-working girls barely get a mention, while some pretty average ones keep getting pushed by him

pmmeyourknee_
13-07-2025, 09:36 AM
maybe he needs to read that thread "What Japanese WLs think of punters" LOL

I got you bro :shout:

https://i.postimg.cc/7YjX9SM9/Screenshot-2025-07-13-at-8-36-03-am.png

SlippinJimmy
13-07-2025, 10:33 AM
lmaooo funny how so many ppl commenting and so many views yet not a single person is willing to go see her or no one has saw her at the new shop and reported back...

Yeah she sounds like a dud
Changing shop unlikely to improve her attitude but maybe
You can go drop 350 and report back if U like
Multiple people confirmed mixed service level
There's too many good girls around who appreciate our money 💰 💰 💰

Mr Peanut Butter
13-07-2025, 04:01 PM
I booked Renee recently for 1hr and this was before reading this post or even realizing she was J Sawa from Ginza. Here's a summary of what my experience was like with her:

Overall: If you're looking for a J girl that's got a cute face, big boobs that are just top notch and a curvy ass then Renee is your girl - Renee is very aware of how attractive she is (for example, she turned the lights all the way up for full visibility). However, in terms of technique, she's not at the top of my list. Personally, l think most WLs that are absolute stunners can tend to overly rely on their looks and not refine their technique - although there are some exceptions here like K Bella from Ginza. Though l personally had a great time with her - she was energetic, really cute and cheeky, and just super sexy. Disclaimer though, l have conversational level Japanese, and l think that did help me "connect" with her. No complaints from me overall, would book her again.

Some additional context: In terms of technique, her BBBJ was average, but what got me hard was just how sexy she looked going down on me. It's the same during mish, just the view of that body is fire. She didn't offer me any additional services like OP mentioned but maybe that's cause things didn't work out for her at Ginza and l get the sense that n5m is stricter on WLs pushing for extras/tips from customers. She's really receptive to DATY and other foreplay, which for me made the session more enjoyable. Again, as with most WLs YMMV.

tezzaman18
14-07-2025, 01:52 AM
Thanks Bro PB. This thread has gone to NO. 39 and you are the first to shed some light on your visit at her new shop.

It's going a bit more travelling time to Marrickville but am prepared to make the trek.




I booked Renee recently for 1hr and this was before reading this post or even realizing she was J Sawa from Ginza. Here's a summary of what my experience was like with her:

Overall: If you're looking for a J girl that's got a cute face, big boobs that are just top notch and a curvy ass then Renee is your girl - Renee is very aware of how attractive she is (for example, she turned the lights all the way up for full visibility). However, in terms of technique, she's not at the top of my list. Personally, l think most WLs that are absolute stunners can tend to overly rely on their looks and not refine their technique - although there are some exceptions here like K Bella from Ginza. Though l personally had a great time with her - she was energetic, really cute and cheeky, and just super sexy. Disclaimer though, l have conversational level Japanese, and l think that did help me "connect" with her. No complaints from me overall, would book her again.

Some additional context: In terms of technique, her BBBJ was average, but what got me hard was just how sexy she looked going down on me. It's the same during mish, just the view of that body is fire. She didn't offer me any additional services like OP mentioned but maybe that's cause things didn't work out for her at Ginza and l get the sense that n5m is stricter on WLs pushing for extras/tips from customers. She's really receptive to DATY and other foreplay, which for me made the session more enjoyable. Again, as with most WLs YMMV.

lazy_pandamon
15-07-2025, 06:28 AM
I booked Renee recently for 1hr and this was before reading this post or even realizing she was J Sawa from Ginza. Here's a summary of what my experience was like with her:

Overall: If you're looking for a J girl that's got a cute face, big boobs that are just top notch and a curvy ass then Renee is your girl - Renee is very aware of how attractive she is (for example, she turned the lights all the way up for full visibility). However, in terms of technique, she's not at the top of my list. Personally, l think most WLs that are absolute stunners can tend to overly rely on their looks and not refine their technique - although there are some exceptions here like K Bella from Ginza. Though l personally had a great time with her - she was energetic, really cute and cheeky, and just super sexy. Disclaimer though, l have conversational level Japanese, and l think that did help me "connect" with her. No complaints from me overall, would book her again.

Some additional context: In terms of technique, her BBBJ was average, but what got me hard was just how sexy she looked going down on me. It's the same during mish, just the view of that body is fire. She didn't offer me any additional services like OP mentioned but maybe that's cause things didn't work out for her at Ginza and l get the sense that n5m is stricter on WLs pushing for extras/tips from customers. She's really receptive to DATY and other foreplay, which for me made the session more enjoyable. Again, as with most WLs YMMV.

Hello fam, another 2 cents worth for this lady, and again to echo most people YMMV

I recall booking Sawa/Renee back in February this year (side quest: I hadn't seen Wilson in years, so we had a good chat beforehand and he suggested I keep complimenting her). Whilst some say she's cheeky, I think there's some maturity and worldly inexperience which meant I didn't do a re-visit.

My TLDR is this:
- She's on the super young side, like maybe barely 18 at the time and is just needing to get more life and different culture experience.
- She did hit me up for extras, I politely declined, but we still had a good time.
- I offered to get her ubereats after our session because she, like a lot of girls I see, had a growling tummy. I normally don't care what the girls pick and I normally suggest something nice for them to try out. As we were scrolling, Sawa freaked out at how expensive Via Napoli was, then humbly asked if I could just get her Maccas instead.

I can't recall give details of the session itself as I half can't recall/half prefer to keep my sexy experiences to myself, but I can say I'm a larger fella and Sawa still did her best to look after me.... or it might of been blurred out because had 2 amazing sessions with Coco on the days following (x2 sessions... she was like a sex crazed k-pop idol lol)

High69
16-07-2025, 09:49 PM
There's definitely some cunts here hyping up some girls for whatever reason, just ends up raising everyone's expectations.
No idea what metrics he's using, cause some top-notch, hard-working girls barely get a mention, while some pretty average ones keep getting pushed by him

With some cunts who are overhyping over and over something and expecting extra.
True
they won't hype those who provide good service
without extra