quality of punting in the present vs the past

[StrangerDanger]

I only started punting in 2023 which made me wonder what punting was like decades ago. so I have two questions for u old punters.
1. what's are some of the differences of punting in the present day vs the past (2000s or 2010s)
2. would you say the quality of punting has diminished, and if yes, why has it?

[fixatedperson]

1. More expensive now. More Japanese MLs/WLs. When I started, 45 Granville was my go-to for a reasonably affordable punt. It is now almost exclusively a high end (Diamond Services etc) Japanese specialist shop.

2. About the same. Punting for me has always been about finding a connection with a girl and unearthing hidden gems. Favourites have come and gone. But there is always a new girl.

[massage addict]

Back in the day it was always all inclusive, standard pricing. $50 an hr. Girls naked from the start. Lots of teasing throught. Body the body was standard touching including the pussy was always allowed this was with your Asian joints in the early 2000s. You then had more up marketplaces like The Bellevue, and Midas as well many others. The service here was incredable compared to the asian joints. But i was young, real young. Pussy was new...ish, and oh what a thing it was! At both places i almost always got extras included head or full service. Inrembere my first riming experience was performed by a 40 something year old Asian when I was 18 was given me head started licking the balls then just push the legs up over my head and started going to town on the arsehole I was so confused, but you never left a session feeling ripped off back in those days. Now all they want to do is fleece you for as much money as they can. body two body 20 bucks, 30 bucks extra and all that consists of is them leaning over the table and rubbing their tits on your back for two minutes if your lucky.

[GoldfishMan]

I only started punting in 2023 which made me wonder what punting was like decades ago. so I have two questions for u old punters.
1. what's are some of the differences of punting in the present day vs the past (2000s or 2010s)

Very different in more ways than one.
Each decade had dominant girls from certain regions working each type of shop. In the 2000s, it was mostly Malaysian girls working in FS shops, a few K girls here and there. J girls were very rare in FS shops back then and you'd have to pay a premium for them. C girls mostly worked in RNT shops but they did offer FS and some of them were young and hot, genuine student types!
The K girls were a bit different though. Not that they were rare, but they tended to work solely in Korean shops. Lots of them in FS shops that had almost only K girls, owned by a Korean, etc. And then there were the Korean bathhouses like Midas. Smoking hot girls though!

Also in the 2000s, punting was a bit more chaotic. Don't remember there being rosters, booking girls wasn't a thing yet and it was mostly walk-in and doing lineups. There weren't any girl photos to look at. Sometimes we book girls we've seen before but we'd have to call the shop or SMS if they have a mobile number, but back then we didn't leverage communication so much for some reason!

If I had to sum up the 2010s, it would be 3 words: technology, Ginza, and Agencies. The earlier part of the decade saw Agencies dominating the scene. The quality of girls was incredible, although expensive. They were the go to for about 2+ years I guess. Then Ginza came on the scene. We all know how good they are but I think their good use of Tech (shop rosters, girl photos, using WeChat / SMS for bookings) has played a major part in their success. In terms of girls, C girls dominated the FS scene. The big Korean establishments started closing down so all the K girls became scattered across non-Korean shops. J girls were still rare and commanded higher rates.

2020s. We had a couple of good years with the C girls in FS shops but now they are the rare ones demanding a higher price. And mostly work in Agencies. J girls are now everywhere. I guess it is the dawn of the holiday visa J girls now, lol...



2. would you say the quality of punting has diminished, and if yes, why has it?

Yes, but only because I'm not a big fan of J girls. I prefer C girls. I find them a lot more attractive than J girls both in their looks and body shapes.

[tonyphil55]

when I started in the late 70s there were classified ads in the newspaper, no photos, no internet, just a phone number and suburb. we had no mobile phones either. In those days it was definitely a PUNT. If you found a good one you would keep going back. Most girls then were caucasian.

[wilisno]

Carpe Diem ! Enjoy the moment!

Price wise, I don’t think there’s much difference. You have to factor in the inflation and dollar devaluation, and the increase of your income. Think of how hard or easy you could afford a $180/h punt 20 years ago, and how hard or easy you can spend $300 nowadays, just think of petrol prices and power bills you can get an idea.

As for girls nationalities, the preference is related to our aging process, 20 years ago, I could develop a bit of feelings with the girls much easier than now, so Chinese girls we could communicate much easier to give us the feelings of GFE. But as time went on, that kind of feelings is no longer necessary for me. Like our preference to food, my favourite food was Phở, now I find myself ordering Bún Bò Huế more often. ;) ;) ;)

Japanese girls influx just came in at the right time, their GFE is much easier to find than from a Chinese girl, and traditionally they are more submissive ( just think of Ice), and we can see a different girl every time, in the old days, it’s hard to find a girl that click well in bed, so we tend to go back to the same one as regular, now I rarely see the same girl more than once.

Carpe Diem !

[Bunningsnag]

There used to be a magazine in newsagents for girls selling themselves, or freebies , cucks etc.
I think it was called Search light ? This is late 80s , early to late 90s.
Does any of the OGS remember that ?

[Hogrider]

Cost - definitely worth considering the inflation and adjustments. Everything has gone tits up - lol

Girl - nationalities have changed presence in volume
(I do miss the peak Midas Days) and when the famous shops now a days made first appearance..

Session - this feels a bit let down in general - but only when you’d find a regular - all is well again
>> overpaying is a solid reason some of the services have gone to dogs , people tend to think with their little heads more now <<

I was always a sucker for the PYT Chinese but then again it didn’t matter ..
my longest 2 regulars were 1 ABC and 1 Japanese Working Visa holder.

(Finding solid regulars are more hard or I’m just getting fussy haha )

[SlippinJimmy]

started around 2010; used to be a hell a lot of koreans in Melbourne, but u had to call to know who was on, no websites etc. literally no japs at all; the odd one usually they with ABJ
I actually thinking punting is better now, more reliable with services listed and to be expected.
The jap invasion works for me because I used to like JAV, so its fulfulling in a lot of ways; but those kgirls at tope st were pretty special, some real young hotties

[Wayne]

Late 70s, white girls, no condoms, scattered brothels in Darlinghurst and Surry Hills, street walkers on William Street and Canterbury Road.
Early 80s, Cambodian, Lao and Thai girls. High point for me. $60 for a session with a Lao beauty.
Then AIDS. Mid 80s, White girls started to become scarier and prohibitively expensive. Thai and mainlanders, along with Hongkies as suburban brothels spread. By 90s Mainlanders predominated in brothels. Occasional Japanese and Koreans in privates. Early 00s last time I visited a Caucasian brothel. Wilson started his operation in mid 00Â’s. First reliable source of Japanese. Biggest changes in my punting career: the disappearance of young white girls, the recent disappearance of young Chinese, the fifo Japanese and the return of no condom sex. Economically, not much change considering cpi. If anything, cheaper now than 50 years ago.

[Axeman123]

Late'70s it was good enough to grab me. Haven't been able to stop. Or maybe it's just fucking I love.

[tkicks]

Better in some ways worse in others. As others have said in real terms it's cheaper or same now...I feel niche markets are better catered for we have granny shops jap shops lots of ts lots of girls will rim you or do three ways etc. but I really miss mid nineties kings X when U could walk into a place and have maybe 30 affordable caucs in their 20.s to choose from....I also really miss street hookers

[crhaayn]

Very different in more ways than one.
Each decade had dominant girls from certain regions working each type of shop.

Concur.

My service preference has not changed since I started punting in the late 2000's. I was always looking for genuine GFE service, and finding a girl that was willing to DFK and BBBJ, and do them both well, was difficult. Asian brothels were cheap (around $150/hr), but finding a good punt was a gamble. I would punt seldomly because it was unreliable. Then CBDoubles and Tokyo Cats came on to the scene, and I got truly hooked. Advertised as privates in apartments on the north shore and city, but operated like a small shop. Usually 2-3 girls in each apartment. Priced similarly to the cheap brothels, but BBBJ and DFK was standard, and a lot of the girls I saw gave some of the best GFE I've had to date. There were a few other similar outfits (most memorable included some gorgeous, passionate Chinese girls that operated from Rhodes, and some super horny Thai girls from Granville). Hookerlooker and MyHookerGuide was the forum I was using. So many reviews I wrote on MHG that is now lost. Chinese and Thai girls were the best for me during this time. Koreans were still defined by KPS. I don't really remember any memorable Japanese girls during this time, maybe because I didn't see many of them.

2010's, as GoldfishMan mentioned, Tokyo Cats became Ginza, and set the standard for us. CBDoubles became Roseville Rose but unfortunately, didn't capitalise on their original model for some reason. I rarely tried privates during this time, because Ginza now gave me the service I had always tried so hard looking for, but with the ease of online shopping (browsing the website for profiles, MHG and aus99 reviews). Prices increased to $260/hr for Gold/Gold Premium class, $280/hr for the Diamonds. Main differences between the two were looks and body, both gave top notch service. Japanese girls were more readily available because of Ginza, and you could never go wrong with them. They were all so willing to please, and so submissive. Chinese girls felt a little below them, but I had some fantastic punts. Thai girls were still the queens in my eyes, Ginza had some of the best Thai girls come through in terms of looks and service. Korean girls got much better, with some absolute stunners coming through with no KPS.

COVID hit and some shops started operating out of apartments again. It felt like the quality started dwindling. Maybe girls started returning back home, or were scared with the news around COVID. Maybe only the desperate WLs remained. As a result, I branched out to No5 and 42G. Quite refreshing, but they also had their duds. Once the restrictions eased and shops opened again, there seem to be an influx of Japanese girls. I thought we're back to the good times again, but unfortunately, quality wasn't/isn't there. Judging from reviews though, they're still very popular. I haven't had a good C girl in a while too. Thais and Viets are the best for me currently. Koreans have been great too, though they're usually on the more expensive end. PCD is putting faith back into the privates arena for me too, and they've allowed me to experience Latina girls with the type of service I like.


Early 80s, Cambodian, Lao and Thai girls. High point for me. $60 for a session with a Lao beauty.

I wish I experienced this. I would've been in heaven. I think this must've sprouted some of the prettiest Aussie-Asian girls that are now in their 20s/30s I see in Sydney.

[Wayne]

I wish I experienced this. I would've been in heaven. I think this must've sprouted some of the prettiest Aussie-Asian girls that are now in their 20s/30s I see in Sydney.

The golden period was 1977-1981. Before aids and after the Vietnam war, when Australia began accepting SE Asian refugees, and prostitution was decriminalised. There were brothels in Bankstown, Surry Hills, Newtown, Fairfield, with line ups of 20 plus girls. Most called themselves thai but were ethnically Chinese, Lao or Khmer. And you’re right, many of today’s 30 something hotties probably sprouted from this.

[Abracadabra]

I principally got into punting in the early 90s but I did dip a toe in during the early 80s which was mainly street walkers on the other side of William St around Bourke, Liverpool & Forbes Streets ~ surprisingly some great women on the streets ~ very rarely saw a condom and always high risk either in a nearby terrace or the back of my car in a local street ~ can still picture some of these girls parading before the lane crawlers.....great memories!

In the 90s I frequented A Woman of Pleasure in the Rocks, The Boardroom in Sydney & Daily Planet & Boardroom in Melbourne..... Unlike the 80s all condom sex, but wow, wandering around the Daily Planet drink in hand flirting with the girls, deciding who to choose is a lasting memory!!!

[Abracadabra]

And thereafter my punting focus turned north to Asia through working and living in various countries, but that is another story/thread.....

[GoldfishMan]

I principally got into punting in the early 90s but I did dip a toe in during the early 80s which was mainly street walkers on the other side of William St around Bourke, Liverpool & Forbes Streets ~ surprisingly some great women on the streets ~ very rarely saw a condom and always high risk either in a nearby terrace or the back of my car in a local street ~ can still picture some of these girls parading before the lane crawlers.....great memories!

In the 90s I frequented A Woman of Pleasure in the Rocks, The Boardroom in Sydney & Daily Planet & Boardroom in Melbourne..... Unlike the 80s all condom sex, but wow, wandering around the Daily Planet drink in hand flirting with the girls, deciding who to choose is a lasting memory!!!

Yes the setup at Daily planet was really something else. Very unique but probably hard to sustain in today's wham bam thank you ma'am world. A bit too slow to finalise the transaction!

[Travel420]

Sounds like it must have been heaven. Glad something positive came out of the war!

The Aussie-Asian 20-30s are the ones I’ll forever be chasing

[11Bravo]

Carpe Diem ! Enjoy the moment!
Agreed. Unless you personally know Mr Peabody and his boy Sherman, you're stuck with time and place. Either she's worth it to you, or not.

“Don't Look Back; Something Might Be Gaining on You.” Satchel Paige

[trampslikeus55]

Late 70s, white girls, no condoms, scattered brothels in Darlinghurst and Surry Hills, street walkers on William Street and Canterbury Road.
Early 80s, Cambodian, Lao and Thai girls. High point for me. $60 for a session with a Lao beauty.
Then AIDS. Mid 80s, White girls started to become scarier and prohibitively expensive. Thai and mainlanders, along with Hongkies as suburban brothels spread. By 90s Mainlanders predominated in brothels. Occasional Japanese and Koreans in privates. Early 00s last time I visited a Caucasian brothel. Wilson started his operation in mid 00Â’s. First reliable source of Japanese. Biggest changes in my punting career: the disappearance of young white girls, the recent disappearance of young Chinese, the fifo Japanese and the return of no condom sex. Economically, not much change considering cpi. If anything, cheaper now than 50 years ago.
Seems we are products of the same era. It is hard to explain to a 30 year old just how much fun the pre Aids time was. 😁

[Wayne]

Seems we are products of the same era. It is hard to explain to a 30 year old just how much fun the pre Aids time was. 😁


Yeah, AIDS really was the big change. In the posh brothels, like 99 and Touch of Class (which weren’t nearly as expensive as now), the girls would give you a quick inspection before the fun. But it was nothing but cursory. There was never even a discussion about condoms. Then aids terrified everyone. Seems lately, with the Japanese FIFOs, things are getting back a bit to pre-AIDS days.

[gco0307]

Started punting late 80's and man, have things changed.

When I started, it was primarily white ladies, european and you got shown a selection of all available ladies, then made your choice from there. The prices quoted by the madam/boss included the vast majority of things that are today seen as extras with FS, BH, DATY etc all seen as standard services at all palces I visited, with the anal, bareback type of stuff sometimes being an extra but also at times being included in the base cost if you wanted it.

As for massage shops, again were all primarily white/european ladies with the lady being totally naked from the time she entered the room, with many ML's then sharing a shower to help you wash down and clean up and if they did not share the shower they would be in the room and have one immediately you stepped out of the shower. Most of these ML's would then keep you around and how you out only after they had cleaned themselves up, before returning to tidy the room.

I do miss the simplicity of the old era, particularly in terms of pricing and services offered within that price as now, it has become far more money oriented which can destroy an atmosphere/ Sure, back in the old days it was about momey and we knew it as often the girls would chat and talk about their uni courses and why they were working (pay off uni, holidays, homes etc) but it seemed far less business like by comparison to today.

[Travel420]

GCO, out of curiosity what was the standard of WLs/MLs like compared to today. I understand most were white/euro but would you take today’s ladies or those from the 80s?

[gco0307]

GCO, out of curiosity what was the standard of WLs/MLs like compared to today. I understand most were white/euro but would you take today’s ladies or those from the 80s?

My simple answer, would be that the ladies from 80/90's were a lot more natural in terms of body shape (more rubenesque, curvy but well toned) and had more 'open' personalities in that while business ladies they were often more cordial and friendly (not meaning that in a simping way). There were some ladies from back then that long ago left the industry but we still catch up from time to time socially, just different times (never dated any - I was married and remain so, but did socialise).

It was not unusual from my experiences back then to essentially complete the business aspects, but not be rushed out the door or at least not feel that it was occurring. In ML terms, the all inclusive price with full nudity, body rubs/slides, even the old pussy slides and so forth, with less feeling of being rushed.

With many of my experiences in the last 10 or so years, it has become very business transaction like and in a way reminds of old school sales techniques. By this, the old 'so you want X, but you know for a small amount more you can get electric windows and mirrors, and just a bit more again you can get air conditioning but if you want electric seats it is this much but if you want the full package it is the base price +++++++.

For me, I miss the ladies, attitudes and services of the old era and while I fully know times move on, inflation raises prices and costs, I do lament what once was in terms of the simplicity of it all .

[Wayne]

My simple answer, would be that the ladies from 80/90's were a lot more natural in terms of body shape (more rubenesque, curvy but well toned) and had more 'open' personalities in that while business ladies they were often more cordial and friendly (not meaning that in a simping way). There were some ladies from back then that long ago left the industry but we still catch up from time to time socially, just different times (never dated any - I was married and remain so, but did socialise).

It was not unusual from my experiences back then to essentially complete the business aspects, but not be rushed out the door or at least not feel that it was occurring. In ML terms, the all inclusive price with full nudity, body rubs/slides, even the old pussy slides and so forth, with less feeling of being rushed.

With many of my experiences in the last 10 or so years, it has become very business transaction like and in a way reminds of old school sales techniques. By this, the old 'so you want X, but you know for a small amount more you can get electric windows and mirrors, and just a bit more again you can get air conditioning but if you want electric seats it is this much but if you want the full package it is the base price +++++++.

For me, I miss the ladies, attitudes and services of the old era and while I fully know times move on, inflation raises prices and costs, I do lament what once was in terms of the simplicity of it all .

Is that cultural? Most of the girls I used to see in brothels were brought up in Australia or New Zealand (half the old Tiffany girls were kiwis). But then there was this big shift when recently arrived Asian girls swamped the scene (and basically undercut the Caucasians). I know what you mean about open personalities. But honestly, you can sometimes find that with some of the younger Asian girls too. My favourite at the moment is Lea at Ginza, a hot super slim African girl. She’s such a regular open girl. Can chat about anything.

[Hogrider]

My simple answer, would be that the ladies from 80/90's were a lot more natural in terms of body shape (more rubenesque, curvy but well toned) and had more 'open' personalities in that while business ladies they were often more cordial and friendly (not meaning that in a simping way). There were some ladies from back then that long ago left the industry but we still catch up from time to time socially, just different times (never dated any - I was married and remain so, but did socialise).

It was not unusual from my experiences back then to essentially complete the business aspects, but not be rushed out the door or at least not feel that it was occurring. In ML terms, the all inclusive price with full nudity, body rubs/slides, even the old pussy slides and so forth, with less feeling of being rushed.

With many of my experiences in the last 10 or so years, it has become very business transaction like and in a way reminds of old school sales techniques. By this, the old 'so you want X, but you know for a small amount more you can get electric windows and mirrors, and just a bit more again you can get air conditioning but if you want electric seats it is this much but if you want the full package it is the base price +++++++.

For me, I miss the ladies, attitudes and services of the old era and while I fully know times move on, inflation raises prices and costs, I do lament what once was in terms of the simplicity of it all .

Last paragraph sums it up for me as well . Even for a post 2000 punter like me .

[andrewv]

Late 70s, white girls, no condoms, scattered brothels in Darlinghurst and Surry Hills, street walkers on William Street and Canterbury Road.
Early 80s, Cambodian, Lao and Thai girls. High point for me. $60 for a session with a Lao beauty.
Then AIDS. Mid 80s, White girls started to become scarier and prohibitively expensive. Thai and mainlanders, along with Hongkies as suburban brothels spread. By 90s Mainlanders predominated in brothels. Occasional Japanese and Koreans in privates. Early 00s last time I visited a Caucasian brothel. Wilson started his operation in mid 00Â’s. First reliable source of Japanese. Biggest changes in my punting career: the disappearance of young white girls, the recent disappearance of young Chinese, the fifo Japanese and the return of no condom sex. Economically, not much change considering cpi. If anything, cheaper now than 50 years ago.

The "young white girls" are now all on seeking dot com pretending to be sugarbabies, not prostitutes. Hundreds of them, but you've got to pay for hotel rooms and around $500 to $600 for a couple of hours meeting.

[Candy1234]

I don’t know way in the past but around 15 years ago 2010-2013 crappy joints like Riverwood, even Peakhurst have hotties on every night with cheapie prices compared to now, uffff. At least Riverwood still have some oldies but goodies like Jenny and Chanel at a reasonable price, like to see them every now and then.