ML vs WL advice - can I get an equivalent WL vibe in the ML scene?

[Bob Jane]

Hey there,

Context:

- Been banging WLs for about 10 years in Brisbane, with a focus on local HABs and the touring ones (particular focus on Thai, Japanese and Korean ones, without naming names, but I'm sure you can all easily Guess Who)
- Had plenty of regulars over that period, who provide a genuine passionate sex at that $250-$350 an hour mark (prices vary over the decade and when you clipped your ticket as a regular)
- Have had to stop the WLs as I can't use a phone any more (don't go there)
- Trying MLs with shop bookings and looking to get a similar intimate sex buddy GFE experience.
- Seen a few that were "rated" on here only to visit them and find it materially less intense, and materially less vfm, than the WL experience per hour I'm used to

My questions:
1. Am I unrealistic expecting a like for like on the dollar between WLs and MLs if in terms of an hour of intimacy/banging?
2. Do MLs in shops actually let you skip the massage and just go straight to banging off the bat for hour bookings once you have a few runs on the board in terms of visits? $80 shop fees + $250 cash, when half the time is wasted on a dogshit massage, is $660 an hour. In the WL world, $660 an hour will get you a smoking hot brazilian who will ravage you for an hour.
3. Are there any MLs who offer that genuine sex buddy / GFE experience from the shop (understandably, with a YMMV caveat)? My vibe of the shop girls so far is that a lot of them are lovely people who are nice with freeflowing conversation and some chemistry, but it always feels a lot more perfunctory compared to the WLs in terms of service, and I don't care for the massage or the TT when we both know it's a dirty shop from the first minute and that a fuck is the end game.
4. Is it just me, or does the ML scene feel way more awkward than the WL scene? With WLs, they open the door, you small talk for a few mins, hand the cash, go shower, come out, and you jump them or they jump you and things flow from there. With MLs, there always seems to be the 30 minutes of bad massage, then the flip and extras Q, a few minutes pause as you transition, then you're kinda laying there like a sack of shit waiting for them to initiate action to happen, and it all just feels rehearsed off the bat as a result. On top of that, you've gotta sneak in and out and hope you don't get sniped doing so nor see any mother fucker in the shop itself.

Legit not trying to troll anyone who is a happy punter in the ML scene, nor spark up a WL vs ML debate. Just trying to work out if I can get equivalent satisfaction out of the ML scene coming off my WL background, or whether I'm pissing money against the wall looking for something that doesn't exist due to the different nature of the WL vs ML scenes and my unrealistic expectations.

Thanks all.

[gedinsyd]

As someone who spends 99% of my punts in the ML scene, I can say it is absolutely possible - admittedly you need to look around a bit to find some who are willing to give you what you are after, but most of my regulars never massage me - we just spend the whole hour doing extras. I guess the issue is that many MLs prefer the ML scene because they have a lot more control over what extras they offer and with whom, and are less inclined to do banging all day. Anyhow, just simply mention you want to do the service first and many will oblige.

[half]

Why you haven't mentioned brothels? Sounds like that fits the bill.

[Phaser74]

This debate seems to happen every month or so.
Look at one of the other dozen or so threads discussing the exact same topic

[Bob Jane]

As someone who spends 99% of my punts in the ML scene, I can say it is absolutely possible - admittedly you need to look around a bit to find some who are willing to give you what you are after, but most of my regulars never massage me - we just spend the whole hour doing extras. I guess the issue is that many MLs prefer the ML scene because they have a lot more control over what extras they offer and with whom, and are less inclined to do banging all day. Anyhow, just simply mention you want to do the service first and many will oblige.

Thanks man appreciate the advice. I get it that first time you're not like "yo I wanna bang", but with a bit of rapport and connection you can bypass the 30 minutes of dogshit massage.

[Bob Jane]

Why you haven't mentioned brothels? Sounds like that fits the bill.

Got a good brothel referral and link. The few and far between I have visited are pretty average women and pretty poor vfm. Definitely open to it though if you have any brothels you recommend