Thinking of starting a place near a train station - Tips for Newbies?

[RandyHandsome]

I'm considering starting my own massage place and I've got a solid location right near a train station, which should make it convenient for punters.
How would one go about getting something like that off the ground? What kind of setup and equipment do I need? Tips on finding therapists who offer proper remedial massages with extras? I want to keep things legit and avoid any run-ins with the authorities, so advice on licensing, permits, or that sort of stuff would be appreciated too.
Are there any good guides or resources out there for beginners? Has anyone here got hands-on experience running one and willing to share some insights?
Seems like a solid investment and a good way to give back to the community.
Thanks in advance

[MDPorto]

Many other previous threads from years gone by on this topic.

I'll give you probably the best tip you'll get - if you are fair dinkum about this, you better already have your exit strategy planned.

[RandyHandsome]

Dude this place is just full of horny fucks and not legal experts , I wouldn’t listen to anyone on here about any of this.Talk to a lawyer dude.

Could be a horny lawyer on here! They've got money to burn.

[blitz]

No offence dude, but if you're coming to a punting forum for advice on how to start a business then you're not ready to start a business.

[Ron the rimmer]

[QUOTE=blitz;3725927]No offence dude, but if you're coming to a punting forum for advice on how to start a business then you're not ready to start a business.[/QUOTE
:):)]

😂

[RandyHandsome]

No offence dude, but if you're coming to a punting forum for advice on how to start a business then you're not ready to start a business.

I asked on the entrepreneur subreddit and they just suggested I get a bunch of robots lol

[blitz]

I asked on the entrepreneur subreddit and they just suggested I get a bunch of robots lol
For starters, how much is it going to cost you just to open the doors? Consider rent, any other costs the landlord will pass on to you such as council rates, water, electricity, insurance. Also your own business insurance and public liability insurance, annual fire inspections, business licenses and permits.
Then you have the shop fitout, massage tables,betc.
Then you have advertising, wages, consumables ie massage oil, sheets, tissues etc.
Do you have enough rooms and enough girls to cover those costs? Where are you going to source your girls? That's going to be your biggest challenge.
But if you've got answers to all those things then you're good to go.

[Linza Giz]

Most businesses fail within the first 5 years... Possible because the owners are taking business advice from a punting forum for a non sexual service business

[wilisno]

No offence dude, but if you're coming to a punting forum for advice on how to start a business then you're not ready to start a business.

Most relevant reply !

[dewayne]

Like asking gambling addicts how to start a casino. Sorry brother we're the worst group to ask lol

[Ladiesman217]

Which area were you thinking of though?

[RandyHandsome]

Like asking gambling addicts how to start a casino. Sorry brother we're the worst group to ask lol

Yeah fair maybe I should've asked a different question ha. I think I'll make another post with what I actually need

[RandyHandsome]

Which area were you thinking of though?

I've got my eye on a spot in Summer Hill!

[Wlso]

Just start a shop on the train. I’m sure TFNSW will rent out a carriage

[GoldfishMan]

I've got my eye on a spot in Summer Hill!

That's terrible. Summer hill is a small station. All the peak hour trains express right past it. There goes your train station advantage.

[stallionmachine123]

We only invest in property in Australia haha.

Honestly your average rnt isn’t profitable especially those shops with pork chops working in it it’s most likely tax write off for owners against other businesses they have.

[RandyHandsome]

Yeah I'll just put my money in another house lol

[wom]

We only invest in property in Australia haha.

Honestly your average rnt isn’t profitable especially those shops with pork chops working in it it’s most likely tax write off for owners against other businesses they have.

Interesting proposition - can you please elaborate more?
Does it mean that they will try to claim the loss bigger than they actually obtain from the rnt shop?

[AHLUNGOR]

I'm considering starting my own massage place and I've got a solid location right near a train station, which should make it convenient for punters.
How would one go about getting something like that off the ground? What kind of setup and equipment do I need?

Tips on finding therapists who offer proper remedial massages with extras? I want to keep things legit and avoid any run-ins with the authorities, so advice on licensing, permits, or that sort of stuff would be appreciated too.

Are there any good guides or resources out there for beginners? Has anyone here got hands-on experience running one and willing to share some insights?
Seems like a solid investment and a good way to give back to the community.

Thanks in advance


Hi Randy,

What you said here was already contradicting ! Any massage shop with extras is no longer a legit business and WILL run into trouble with the Council if you are in the area where the authorities do crack down on RnT shops.

May be just a word of advise, 99% of the shop owners of massage shops would have had the actual experiences in either working as a ML or a receptionist in a shop, it is not an industry suitable for a new comers.

Good luck to your adventures.


Cheers

[Double_Adapter]

Hey Randy before you take on this gig suggest you get some backstage pointers from the chick ranch.

Shop line ups - 9mins 45secs
Chick ARs - 16mins 30secs
Punter ARs - 29mins 40secs
Old bald fat farang - 32mins
The haggler - 44mins 38secs
WLs becoming jaded - 57mins

https://youtu.be/AkgtcTljjnc?si=zjlUmv_0ISxTsCsF

[justincase]

Better off buying an existing business.

[Linza Giz]

Is it Linq? He would be a perfect owner

[andrewv]

Assuming you have the cash for shop setup (build walls for massage rooms, buy tables, etc.), and rent (landlords require a minimum 3 months rent as security), and the right local council permits, the biggest challenge is having the right "product" (girls) to offer the customers (punters). How do you get them?

Long ago, when I was friendly with a shop owner, she used to advertise in backpackers' online forums to get her girls, all of whom were travellers.

Receptionists are not easy to find, especially well organised ones who will be good in managing the cash payments and paying out the girls, without ripping you off.

[RandyHandsome]

Hey Randy before you take on this gig suggest you get some backstage pointers from the chick ranch.

Shop line ups - 9mins 45secs
Chick ARs - 16mins 30secs
Punter ARs - 29mins 40secs
Old bald fat farang - 32mins
The haggler - 44mins 38secs
WLs becoming jaded - 57mins

https://youtu.be/AkgtcTljjnc?si=zjlUmv_0ISxTsCsF

A good watch thank you

[RandyHandsome]

Better off buying an existing business.

I'm talking to an owner at the moment for one north of the bridge! Could be an option

[RandyHandsome]

Assuming you have the cash for shop setup (build walls for massage rooms, buy tables, etc.), and rent (landlords require a minimum 3 months rent as security), and the right local council permits, the biggest challenge is having the right "product" (girls) to offer the customers (punters). How do you get them?

Long ago, when I was friendly with a shop owner, she used to advertise in backpackers' online forums to get her girls, all of whom were travellers.

Receptionists are not easy to find, especially well organised ones who will be good in managing the cash payments and paying out the girls, without ripping you off.

Great points and you're right. I could do everything well but if the product isn't up to scratch there's no point. We don't have an AR section for towel quality or check in speed haha

[Double_Adapter]

Great points and you're right. I could do everything well but if the product isn't up to scratch there's no point. We don't have an AR section for towel quality or check in speed haha

Hey Randy - an existing massage joint will set you back somewhere between $30k-$80k fully kitted with all the mods and cons. Price will depend on how desperate the seller is, shop location, size, foot traffic etc. Unless it's a brothel you ain't need any special permits. In terms of the building or property you're eyeing out check the local council zoning requirements/regulations (mixed zoning is generally fine). All the other shit like consumables massage beds, furniture, oils, tissues, towels etc you can pick up in auctions or online (not hard to find). All you gotta do is figure out your outgoings (weekly, monthly and annual) and use that to calculate your shop rates ie what % the shop gets and what % the chicks get. All the above is easy shit, even a toddler could figure it out. The hardest bit will be finding the right product/talent and retaining that talent (chicks can be flakey at best of times). The other bit is whether the neighbours and nearby shops see you as a threat, a foe, or just bad rep for the area (akin to the tobacco shop wars in Melbourne).

Watch the video on the Chick Ranch in its entirety and you'll soon figure out the hardest bit is the product/talent.

[justincase]

Anyone care to project figures ?

[chemistry84]

Need to have a back door and quality of girls and services should be least aimed to be similar if possible. If you can attract girls like CBD Style did before making retarded business decisions then you might have a chance. Closer to the City would mean likely higher rents but also potentially higher prices to be charged but no one is wanting to pay 200 for a 30min massage and basic services either. A new CBD Style that is similar to the OG shop might do well again tbh.

Also I'd argue right now most massage shops with the exception of a few are struggling and foot traffic is a bit lower too but men are horny recession or not.

[Double_Adapter]

Anyone care to project figures ?

I'll try and unpack this for you in punting terms:

Figures and forecasts only start making sense once you've nailed down your BEP. From there, you can chuck in all the "what if” variable scenarios eg chick’s on her rags, your top chick quits and takes half the customers, rent goes up, electricity/water bills spike, bad ARs tank the bookings, chicks want a bigger cut or whatever other shit punters do to screw up a biz.

Only then will you know how the shop’s really tracking (allows you to forecast) and which business levers you need to push (rub) and pull (tug) to stay on target (profit or happy ending).

If you ain't know your BEP, you're as good as fucked. Hope this helps bro.

[aussiegaigin]

Interesting proposition - can you please elaborate more?
Does it mean that they will try to claim the loss bigger than they actually obtain from the rnt shop?

Similar principle of buying real estate and negatively gearing it. Except you are unlikely to have much in the way of capital growth. Could be a good hobby if you have surplus cash you need to launder.

[andrewv]

It is similar to airlines. The job is to fill all the seats. Once the gate is closed for the flight to take off, the empty seats are lost money.

In a massage shop, every hour for every room that is not occupied is money lost for the business. You cannot get that hour back.

For example, a shop with 5 rooms charging say $80 per hour (say $40 for the shop & $40 for the girl), means every hour that lapses without punters on the premises is 5 x $40 = $200 lost revenue.

[Double_Adapter]

Another option for the OP is to buy into a Jim's franchise.

136341

[Wlso]

Another option for the OP is to buy into a Jim's franchise.

136341

That man really does it all 😂

[RandyHandsome]

Thanks for the replies everyone! Good insights.

[justincase]

I’m of the opinion that all you’re doing is buying yourself a job and at a guess you’d take home $1000 if you’re paying a manager.

That you won’t get rich owning such a business.