Future of this girl?

[owei_1]

Looking to skim the brains of some of the more experienced punters here. I've recently been seeing a girl outside the shop. She only works casually but seems to want to quit and start a relationship.

However my concerns are, she can't really speak English or any languages other than her native. She has no education or proper work experience or other skills. Despite all this she wants to live here. The only thing she has going for her is her looks. She's late 20s and a stunner.

Would it be pointless trying to have something serious with a girl like this? What realistic future can she have if she doesn't do WL work?

[11Bravo]

Wants to quit and start a relationship? Duh... Danger Will Robinson.

No education? Sure? Work experience? How has she made it this far? Those just might not be evident due to the language barrier. Or she might not be so forthcoming.

Can't speak English? How long has she been here? You might be surprised at how quick they can learn when they have to. I knew one girl when we first met, she could only say "you want me, yes or no" and "I love you", understanding only Yes or No. Literally. A year later, she could carry on a conversation and we has a good laugh when I remarked on her initial brusequeness and she explained. 2 years later, her wit and observations were priceless; I would have bought her book, hardcover.

Bottom line: unless she can find some govt sponsored education, few.

[justincase]

Why support any woman just because of sex?

The smart move is to pump and dump.

Do not get attached.

[fixatedperson]

If she is smart, she will have saved the money she made from WL work to invest in a small business or education.

Be prepared to support her financially for however long it takes for her to find her way.

Be also prepared to support her mental health. Having sex with disgusting men all day takes a toll.

[GoldfishMan]

Need more info, OP. Mostly about yourself.
How's your own financial position and your career? If you're not strong in these, you will struggle to support her.
I'll assume you really like her. You can go along with the relationship and observe what trajectory she's taking. You don't have to judge her immediately. If it looks like her "ambition" is to be a SAHM, then maybe it's time to bail. Unless you're rich... Then you can do anything you like, lol.

Just make fucking sure you don't get her Prego and you should be fine.

Good luck bro. Some of these girls can surprise us with what they can achieve and I hope that is the case for you.

[aussiegaigin]

First question might be: What is her visa status?

[owei_1]

No education? Sure? Work experience? How has she made it this far?

She dropped out of high school and has worked in karaoke bars and brothels since then

[DDT]

There is no greater liar than a masseuse, except perhaps a tooth puller.The best thing is not to believe everything she tells you and to have a good time, but at the same time not be in love.Because like Icarus, you're going to burn your wings.

[CharlieM]

Tell her you had a thriving business but it turned to shit and now you're broke. Then tell her you love her and want a life with her and if you both work hard in 10 years from now you will be back on top. Then see if she hangs around

[konfuzion]

Once in this business can never really stop. Changes girl forever

[Curious12]

If you think they actually like you then you deserve to get all your money taken

[Double_Adapter]

There is no greater liar than a masseuse, except perhaps a tooth puller.The best thing is not to believe everything she tells you and to have a good time, but at the same time not be in love.Because like Icarus, you're going to burn your wings.

What a load of fucken horseshit!.....What about politicians and used car dealers?

[1inchguy]

Looking to skim the brains of some of the more experienced punters here. I've recently been seeing a girl outside the shop. She only works casually but seems to want to quit and start a relationship.

However my concerns are, she can't really speak English or any languages other than her native. She has no education or proper work experience or other skills. Despite all this she wants to live here. The only thing she has going for her is her looks. She's late 20s and a stunner.

Would it be pointless trying to have something serious with a girl like this? What realistic future can she have if she doesn't do WL work?

Another punter in love.. would you still feel that way if she was older and not a stunner?

That said, nothing is pointless if shes committed she can attempt studying English and go ahead from there.
And once her English is better, she'll be better at dirty talking.

[DDT]

I got that from one of my favorites. She told me, "When I'm at work, I'm Ruby."All the time I spend at work, for me it's a show; I pretend to be someone else.Everything I do and say is a game.Almost nothing is true.When I finish work, I become Ying again and I resume my normal life.This is what she told me once.

[Punt2Win]

Tale as old as time, song as old as rhyme, Punter and Shop Girl.

[yunglean]

Do you really want a long term relationship with a girl who chose to be a whore?

[fixatedperson]

I got that from one of my favorites. She told me, "When I'm at work, I'm Ruby."All the time I spend at work, for me it's a show; I pretend to be someone else.Everything I do and say is a game.Almost nothing is true.When I finish work, I become Ying again and I resume my normal life.This is what she told me once.

What happened to this girl DDT? Were you in a relationship?

[Punt2Win]

I got that from one of my favorites. She told me, "When I'm at work, I'm Ruby."All the time I spend at work, for me it's a show; I pretend to be someone else.Everything I do and say is a game.Almost nothing is true.When I finish work, I become Ying again and I resume my normal life.This is what she told me once.

See this to me is just common sense and I assume most are playing an acting role. The fact people find this surprising is what is worrying. That's how problems start.

[DDT]

What happened to this girl DDT? Were you in a relationship?

Yes, I still see her regularly, we've known each other for years.

[Pattyherb]

This is a no brainer.

Never get into a relationship with a woman that chose to be a who're.

The fact that she doesn't speak English, has no other skills or education and is in her late 20s with nothing to show for it... is the icing on the cake.

Sure go for it if you like? But the occasional sex is no going to be worth the massive disaster you're walking into

[zacsuck]

My permanent/long term lady (not wife) was originally in your friend's situation.

PM me, and I can relate information privately. but not in public here...

[11Bravo]

Do you really want a long term relationship with a girl who chose to be a whore?

Chose, or making the best out of a bad situation, doing what was necessary to support family (maybe offspring, parents, siblings...) Because, might be news to some, not all countries have CentreLink, free schools, low cost medical care. So, another question might be, do you want a relationship with a girl who will sit on the curb and cry when things went south, or took a shit job to support her family? Then, only question is, will you ever be considered family?

And what would you do if things went south? What sacrifices would you be willing to make? Your kids, when you get old, are they going to take care of you, or turf you out? Just sayin...

[Nodrama]

How has that Chad guy not responded to this?
Seriously though, never heard of it ending well for either party.

[ColesBag]

I bet she can say fashion labels, money amounts and PR real good though.

[ditchtheboss]

The only aspect I don't like about these relationship posts is the fact that many of us have a tendency to write off the girls based on their past, meaning that they have been WLs. I don't think any or many of us here get written off because of anything we have done in our pasts.

Some of us have met these girls outside the shop, myself included, and I can say that the ones I have met are generous and caring individuals trying to make the best of their situation.

Unfortunately, the job they do leaves many scars and those scars manifest themselves in ways that having a relationship with them becomes very challenging. Think about it, you met in a brothel, from her perspective you will go back to fuck other girls and from your perspective you will always have at the back of your head a suspicion or worry perhaps that she will go back to make money on the side. If she doesn't need money because you provide enough, you may get concerned about her choices, considering her past. Like it has been said before, will you ever be family? Is she with you because of money or a visa? Those scars impact both of you and the stories we tell ourselves in our minds. In this case perception becomes reality making relationships with them really challenging.

These girls deserve the best just like you and I do despite their past. In relation to relationships, it may just not be with any one of us.

Like the legend rooter said: Pay, Fuck, Leave. The best advice ever written here and that is the best for both of you.

[Shitsyeah]

The only aspect I don't like about these relationship posts is the fact that many of us have a tendency to write off the girls based on their past, meaning that they have been WLs. I don't think any or many of us here get written off because of anything we have done in our pasts.

Some of us have met these girls outside the shop, myself included, and I can say that the ones I have met are generous and caring individuals trying to make the best of their situation.

Unfortunately, the job they do leaves many scars and those scars manifest themselves in ways that having a relationship with them becomes very challenging. Think about it, you met in a brothel, from her perspective you will go back to fuck other girls and from your perspective you will always have at the back of your head a suspicion or worry perhaps that she will go back to make money on the side. If she doesn't need money because you provide enough, you may get concerned about her choices, considering her past. Like it has been said before, will you ever be family? Is she with you because of money or a visa? Those scars impact both of you and the stories we tell ourselves in our minds. In this case perception becomes reality making relationships with them really challenging.

These girls deserve the best just like you and I do despite their past. In relation to relationships, it may just not be with any one of us.

Like the legend rooter said: Pay, Fuck, Leave. The best advice ever written here and that is the best for both of you.

Couldn't agree more dtb

[HiredGoon]

How has that Chad guy not responded to this?
Seriously though, never heard of it ending well for either party.


Only a very low value man would call himself Chad Thundercock.

[Ecchi]

Looking to skim the brains of some of the more experienced punters here. I've recently been seeing a girl outside the shop. She only works casually but seems to want to quit and start a relationship.

However my concerns are, she can't really speak English or any languages other than her native. She has no education or proper work experience or other skills. Despite all this she wants to live here. The only thing she has going for her is her looks. She's late 20s and a stunner.

Would it be pointless trying to have something serious with a girl like this? What realistic future can she have if she doesn't do WL work?

Run dude, it’s a trap!

[Linza Giz]

The only aspect I don't like about these relationship posts is the fact that many of us have a tendency to write off the girls based on their past, meaning that they have been WLs. I don't think any or many of us here get written off because of anything we have done in our pasts.

Some of us have met these girls outside the shop, myself included, and I can say that the ones I have met are generous and caring individuals trying to make the best of their situation.

Unfortunately, the job they do leaves many scars and those scars manifest themselves in ways that having a relationship with them becomes very challenging. Think about it, you met in a brothel, from her perspective you will go back to fuck other girls and from your perspective you will always have at the back of your head a suspicion or worry perhaps that she will go back to make money on the side. If she doesn't need money because you provide enough, you may get concerned about her choices, considering her past. Like it has been said before, will you ever be family? Is she with you because of money or a visa? Those scars impact both of you and the stories we tell ourselves in our minds. In this case perception becomes reality making relationships with them really challenging.

These girls deserve the best just like you and I do despite their past. In relation to relationships, it may just not be with any one of us.

Like the legend rooter said: Pay, Fuck, Leave. The best advice ever written here and that is the best for both of you.

Well said mate. You can't always judge a person by their job. There are alot of nice girls in this industry and also a lot of rat bags on both sides of the fence.

At the end of the day people date and marry who they want. Good luck to you both

[Curious12]

You guys sound like losers thinking its ok to date a woman who literally slept with thousands of men. If your self worth is that low then i guess that suits your depressed life. Once a loser always a loser who deserves to get scammed by these whores who didnt want to put in the.effort to find a normal job. You guys can come up with excuses for them but you dont see indians coming here witu literally nothing doing this lile japanese and koreans.

[Punt2Win]

You guys sound like losers thinking its ok to date a woman who literally slept with thousands of men. If your self worth is that low then i guess that suits your depressed life. Once a loser always a loser who deserves to get scammed by these whores who didnt want to put in the.effort to find a normal job. You guys can come up with excuses for them but you dont see indians coming here witu literally nothing doing this lile japanese and koreans.

Points for finding a way to inject the subject of Indians into yet another thread.

[CharlieM]

You guys sound like losers thinking its ok to date a woman who literally slept with thousands of men. If your self worth is that low then i guess that suits your depressed life. Once a loser always a loser who deserves to get scammed by these whores who didnt want to put in the.effort to find a normal job. You guys can come up with excuses for them but you dont see indians coming here witu literally nothing doing this lile japanese and koreans.

Maybe the "Indians coming here" don't become WLs or MLs because the majority have disproportionate bodies, are ugly and smell.

[Punt2Win]

Maybe the "Indians coming here" don't become WLs or MLs because the majority have disproportionate bodies, are ugly and smell.

You seem to be of the same opinion as Nixon. If you find the tapes online it's a hilarious listen.

It was stunning to hear a conversation between Mr. Nixon, Mr. Kissinger and H.R. Haldeman, the White House chief of staff, in the Oval Office in June 1971. “Undoubtedly the most unattractive women in the world are the Indian women,” said Mr. Nixon. ...

“Undoubtedly,” he repeated, with a venomous tone.

He continued, “The most sexless, nothing, these people. I mean, people say, what about the Black Africans? Well, you can see something, the vitality there, I mean they have a little animal like charm, but God, those Indians, ack, pathetic. Uch.”


https://www.deccanherald.com/world/indian-women-most-unattractive-in-the-world-richard-nixon-882396.html

[Jack-Jack]

Tell her you had a thriving business but it turned to shit and now you're broke. Then tell her you love her and want a life with her and if you both work hard in 10 years from now you will be back on top. Then see if she hangs around

Solid idea that would get her thinking… if she’s willing to be with you to be with you (quality time and relation ship stuff) and not draining u like an ATM then why not give it a go… just be prepared the judgement and introducing her to friends and family if all goes well and accepting the fact if she’s not willing to quit the profession for you

[Miclop]

She dropped out of high school and has worked in karaoke bars and brothels since then

This doesn't have the ring of truth around it at all.
Without some English, or some education, then how did she get a visa to be in Australia at all, and work...

[GoldfishMan]

This doesn't have the ring of truth around it at all.
Without some English, or some education, then how did she get a visa to be in Australia at all, and work...

How did you figure out that she hasn't got a PR? OP only said she "wanted" to stay here.

EDIT:
I know some girls who came here on family visas. They have PRs because their family sponsored them... A close family member came here, got a PR, and applied to get their family members here on family grounds, it's nothing new.

After getting the PR, they can easily fall on the wayside and end up in terrible positions. Dropped out of highschool, no education, no career prospects, etc. Who's to say the girl in the OP is not in this situation?

A person in this position can choose to go back to their home country because they might have a better prospect there due to the lack of language barrier. They can basically forgo their Aussie PR for chance at a better life. Maybe he meant that?

[Abracadabra]

The only aspect I don't like about these relationship posts is the fact that many of us have a tendency to write off the girls based on their past, meaning that they have been WLs. I don't think any or many of us here get written off because of anything we have done in our pasts.

Some of us have met these girls outside the shop, myself included, and I can say that the ones I have met are generous and caring individuals trying to make the best of their situation.

Unfortunately, the job they do leaves many scars and those scars manifest themselves in ways that having a relationship with them becomes very challenging. Think about it, you met in a brothel, from her perspective you will go back to fuck other girls and from your perspective you will always have at the back of your head a suspicion or worry perhaps that she will go back to make money on the side. If she doesn't need money because you provide enough, you may get concerned about her choices, considering her past. Like it has been said before, will you ever be family? Is she with you because of money or a visa? Those scars impact both of you and the stories we tell ourselves in our minds. In this case perception becomes reality making relationships with them really challenging.

These girls deserve the best just like you and I do despite their past. In relation to relationships, it may just not be with any one of us.

Like the legend rooter said: Pay, Fuck, Leave. The best advice ever written here and that is the best for both of you.

From my experience you are on the mark Ditch.

I'd like to think the girls (well, most of them!) can move on and establish balanced happy "normal" relationships, but the well documented side effects of their working lives, particularly mental, are hard to shake I would think, particularly those who extend beyond a year in the game.

And if you talk to the girls, you get glimpses of their mindsets and the telltale signs.

In terms of the OPs situation, good luck bro, but I too revert to Rooters safety net mantra.

[Roydemeo]

This will end badly
Pay, fuck, leave.

[ChadThunderrcock]

Looking to skim the brains of some of the more experienced punters here. I've recently been seeing a girl outside the shop. She only works casually but seems to want to quit and start a relationship.

However my concerns are, she can't really speak English or any languages other than her native. She has no education or proper work experience or other skills. Despite all this she wants to live here. The only thing she has going for her is her looks. She's late 20s and a stunner.

Would it be pointless trying to have something serious with a girl like this? What realistic future can she have if she doesn't do WL work?

You can spin it or justify it anyway you want. You are dating a girl who has seen more cocks and has slept with more men than the entire population of China and India put together.

Only a Very Low-Value Man would consider dating or getting into a relationship with a Hooker/Prostitute/Whore/Sex-Worker.

[Double_Adapter]

This will end badly.


This shit about "it will end badly" is a load of fucken horse shit

Let me unpack reality for the single fellas:
For first-time married couples, 1 in 3 end up divorced and the rate for second marriages is 60%. The remaining 2/3 of married couples (that survive divorce) basically become long-term roommates in a sexless arrangement. So technically, it don't end well either way. You’re screwed if you do, and screwed if you don't….so my advice to the OP is to fuck, date and marry the chick. You’re gonna end up screwed anyways.

[zacsuck]

Looking to skim the brains of some of the more experienced punters here. I've recently been seeing a girl outside the shop. She only works casually but seems to want to quit and start a relationship.

However my concerns are, she can't really speak English or any languages other than her native. She has no education or proper work experience or other skills. Despite all this she wants to live here. The only thing she has going for her is her looks. She's late 20s and a stunner.

Would it be pointless trying to have something serious with a girl like this? What realistic future can she have if she doesn't do WL work?

why not test the waters by taking her out then fuck bth your brains out.
beware and use a condom, because she might be looking to enslave you (or at least your wallet).
NEVER take her to your place !!
You really don't want her to know where you live.
have fun (while it lasts) and don't get trapped.

[Joun23]

Yeah...if you are willing to financially support her family too and several years later see her leaving you and taking your asset

[Double_Adapter]

You seem to be of the same opinion as Nixon. If you find the tapes online it's a hilarious listen.

It was stunning to hear a conversation between Mr. Nixon, Mr. Kissinger and H.R. Haldeman, the White House chief of staff, in the Oval Office in June 1971. “Undoubtedly the most unattractive women in the world are the Indian women,” said Mr. Nixon. ...

“Undoubtedly,” he repeated, with a venomous tone.

He continued, “The most sexless, nothing, these people. I mean, people say, what about the Black Africans? Well, you can see something, the vitality there, I mean they have a little animal like charm, but God, those Indians, ack, pathetic. Uch.”


https://www.deccanherald.com/world/indian-women-most-unattractive-in-the-world-richard-nixon-882396.html

Interesting read thanks bro.

As the saying goes beauty is in the eye of the beholder; the problem is that most blokes measure beauty in terms of tits, ass, hip-waist ratios, thighs, pussy gap, curves, leg-torso proportions, cheek-nose-chin facial structures etc. Me, I ain't that fucken shallow or superficial and only look for traits like her personality, charisma, softness, finesse, and femininity.

But if somebody was to ask me to list my absolute bottom tier chicks (ie scraping the bottom of the barrel) it would have to be: PNG, Aboriginal, Pakistani, Sri Lankan, Bangladeshi and Indian

[cplurt2]

I think it really comes down to what you're comfortable with. Just remember the illusions are gone for her as she's seen folks at some of their worst moments because of her job. There always a problem when you sponser someone regardless of the circumstances

[tittay_lover]

The only aspect I don't like about these relationship posts is the fact that many of us have a tendency to write off the girls based on their past, meaning that they have been WLs. I don't think any or many of us here get written off because of anything we have done in our pasts.

Some of us have met these girls outside the shop, myself included, and I can say that the ones I have met are generous and caring individuals trying to make the best of their situation.
.

really like what u said here , there's two sides to the story always


what about ML's , things would be at least a bit different no ? the physical exersions and emotional trauma of mandatory PIV for every session with multiple guys sure would take a toll and be different to a ML that only does massage or choose who they give extras to . my 2c

[Paison]

Dont do it brother. Just asking for trouble.
Fuck and move on.

[ditchtheboss]

really like what u said here , there's two sides to the story always


what about ML's , things would be at least a bit different no ? the physical exersions and emotional trauma of mandatory PIV for every session with multiple guys sure would take a toll and be different to a ML that only does massage or choose who they give extras to . my 2c

I don’t have that kind of experience with MLs, just WLs but I think you are right, it is probably different just not sure how

[owei_1]

Thanks everyone. It has been insightful to read your replies. But I guess I maybe asked my question wrong.

What I wanted to know is, what prospects does a girl have in life if she can only speak her native language, and has no skills or experience other than WL/karaoke work, but is very attractive?

[jenlai29]

It will be very difficult for her to find a job here if you both end up settling down together.

Unless if you accept that she will continue working in her current industry it will be hard for her to create her own income elsewhere.

You could help her obtain an education here, build a business together, or assist her in getting entry level jobs like cleaning.

She also has to put in the effort and work hard to become educated, qualified, coming a citizen here too.

Question is are you just in it because she looks very attractive now? Or are you willing to go the extra mile and support her on your income with a possibility of being dependent on you for a uncertain amount in of time? To be frank, this sounds like a mail order bride kind of situation.

SheÂ’ll also take half of your shit if you guys separate too.

[GoldfishMan]

Thanks everyone. It has been insightful to read your replies. But I guess I maybe asked my question wrong.

What I wanted to know is, what prospects does a girl have in life if she can only speak her native language, and has no skills or experience other than WL/karaoke work, but is very attractive?

If she plays her cards right she might still have a great life here with a bit of luck.

Her best bet is to get hitched with a rich husband but some factors can scupper that strategy. Her work as a WL is a big problem. If she can do it, she should stop the WL/karaoke work and switch to another low skill job that gives her a high chance of meeting rich men without being a sex worker, eg. Working in gaming rooms in a wealthy area. Or even real estate, serving clients from her own ethnic background so that her language problem becomes a strength.
She will earn a lot less for a time but in the long term it might be her best move. Sex work carries a huge stigma as we all know.

Another big factor is the state of her family. Is it big? Any bludgers / parasites amongst them? These are things that might turn away her suitors.

[Rogerram]

Thanks everyone. It has been insightful to read your replies. But I guess I maybe asked my question wrong.

What I wanted to know is, what prospects does a girl have in life if she can only speak her native language, and has no skills or experience other than WL/karaoke work, but is very attractive?

Tried to skim this but didn't see the answer, OP does she have a visa to stay/work in Australia?

If the answer is no, there's no prospects for her here full stop, unless she gets PR.

Most of the WLs and MLs who work in this industry will be making enough money over a couple of years to go home and buy property or investments in their home country, if they aren't responsible for supporting their families back home. You'd be surprised how many of the WLs I have talked to over the years actually have a husband and kid back home (especially Chinese) and come from a very similar background to your friend, and have no other prospects back in their home country.

If you are asking what prospects she has if you sponsor her PR and she stays in Aus with you,
you have to be prepared to fully support her financially. Think about someone born in Aus who didn't finish high school and can speak English - unless they have family money to seed capital they end up learning a trade or working in retail. Now consider she doesn't speak English, what's her options - working in a restaurant? Train as a barista? How's that going to go when she is earning 25 bucks an hour when she used to earn 200 bucks an hour...

If you can support her financially and she can be a good housewife maybe you are good, but don't expect her to suddenly become an investment banker.

[Hiptohip]

Think before you jump.
. Let your brain guide you study the signs.
Worst case scenario give it a go if you've nothing to lose.
If you're both happy knock yourself out. Just make sure your sure

[qtron]

Tried to skim this but didn't see the answer, OP does she have a visa to stay/work in Australia?

If the answer is no, there's no prospects for her here full stop, unless she gets PR.

Most of the WLs and MLs who work in this industry will be making enough money over a couple of years to go home and buy property or investments in their home country, if they aren't responsible for supporting their families back home. You'd be surprised how many of the WLs I have talked to over the years actually have a husband and kid back home (especially Chinese) and come from a very similar background to your friend, and have no other prospects back in their home country.

If you are asking what prospects she has if you sponsor her PR and she stays in Aus with you,
you have to be prepared to fully support her financially. Think about someone born in Aus who didn't finish high school and can speak English - unless they have family money to seed capital they end up learning a trade or working in retail. Now consider she doesn't speak English, what's her options - working in a restaurant? Train as a barista? How's that going to go when she is earning 25 bucks an hour when she used to earn 200 bucks an hour...

If you can support her financially and she can be a good housewife maybe you are good, but don't expect her to suddenly become an investment banker.

This is the answer. I mean what jobs can she actually do here if she can't speak English? It would have to be very low paid work. Unless OP can support her. Even then, how is she going to live without knowing English? I guess she can always learn, but practically it won't be easy for either of them. Still, I'm sure there are many couples that have made it work.

Even if OP can financially support her and she is a housewife, she will preferably need to learn English just to integrate into society. It would be very difficult otherwise.

[888Muffdiver]

the answer to the op question is complicated
: do i sponsor her
: can i except if she still has to work in the industry

you give up your fun with her that you like

nothing is for free in life
it is just a illusion