Japanese girls offering extras?

[Wall20211017]

Hi, just wondering what people think about this.

Over the past three months, I’ve seen three or four different Japanese girls, and every single one of them asked if I wanted extras, specifically unprotected sex.

I’m kind of surprised that all four offered sex without a condom. Do people actually pay extra for this? I’m not overly paranoid about my health, but unprotected sex with a prostitute just sounds insane to me.
I don’t really care if the shop does regular STD checkups, it still feels like a bad idea.

Part of me thought about telling the shop owner, but they probably already know.
At the same time, I don’t want to judge how the girls make their money. I just say no and move on, so it’s not a big deal, but I do notice a brief look of disappointment afterward.

Is this something girls do often, and has anyone actually accepted the offer and paid extra?

[lance202]

Not accepted but offered

[Linza Giz]

It's very common in Japan. Most don't use condoms there and the girls see it as easy money for them. The shops know but usually what happens in the room stays in the room.

It's offered alot, some even have a menu on their phones

[ditchtheboss]

I have had the same experience with the menu of options on the phone. I strongly discourage unsafe sex. It impacts the girls and all of us if we start to spread something and becomes a public health concern. Sounds like an exaggeration but it is not.

One girl once offered me bbfs just because she didn’t want the friction of the condom which to her it was worse than raw. I stopped the session and went with cim because clearly the poor girl was in pain. That’s just me.

Please don’t message me asking who they are as I won’t respond.

[KakeyA]

It is a thing in Japan due to poor sex education and the girls there in Japan offer BBFS as an additional fee. When I picked up a freelance (Tachinbo) in a common area for that in Tokyo, it was JPY15,000 for sex and JPY20,000 for unprotected sex. They just take that mindset with them when they come to Australia

[El Loco Abreu]

As others have said, seems to be pretty common. I don't ask for it so I've only met one girl who did it, but she didn't offer me initially. She told me that most of the customers who partake in it are Chinese, who are the customers more likely to spend extra money. I wonder whether that's true. I think that would explain why some people never see it. If you are not Asian you are probably not going to be offered, since they also may be afraid of the customer complaining to the shop. Obviously, shops know it, so she wouldn't get more than a slap on the wrist anyway...

That conversation opened my eyes. I now try to avoid Japanese FIFO girls. This is already risky business, I don't need to make it even riskier...

[Becareful]

As others have said, seems to be pretty common. I don't ask for it so I've only met one girl who did it, but she didn't offer me initially. She told me that most of the customers who partake in it are Chinese, who are the customers more likely to spend extra money. I wonder whether that's true. I think that would explain why some people never see it. If you are not Asian you are probably not going to be offered, since they also may be afraid of the customer complaining to the shop. Obviously, shops know it, so she wouldn't get more than a slap on the wrist anyway...

That conversation opened my eyes. I now try to avoid Japanese FIFO girls. This is already risky business, I don't need to make it even riskier...

All these girls have sex with hundreds to thousands of men a year. Dosent matter if you avoid FIFO girls because they all eventually let you do it without a condom to their favourite customers. I know a few girls that pretends to always use protection and lie about safety when its the complete opposite but alot told me to keep it a secret.

[I_luv_doggie.]

Ive never had a J FIFO specifically ask if I want to fuck her without a condom.

But many times when I say it is now time to fuck, they will get the condom and ask me "condom?" which I take as being with or without.

Always say, yes. Dont need this risk shit.

[Keeping Up]

I’ve often had FIFO JPN girls at the two most featured shops say “I hate condoms, do you want to do it without?”

Only another $200 - 300 depending on the lady. Always a big no for me but I imagine a lot of desperates are happy to stump up.

[11Bravo]

Only another $200 - 300 depending on the lady. Only? ONLY. FMTT. Definitely different tax brackets.


Dont need this risk shit.Not disagreeing.

But life is full or risk. Up to you the decisions you make. Given recent events, simply being in the wrong place, wrong time...

Well, you can stake that claim —
Good work is the key to good fortune
Winners take that praise
Losers seldom take that blame
If they don’t take that game
And sometimes the winner takes nothing
We draw our own designs
But fortune has to make that frame

We go out in the world and take our chances
Fate is just the weight of circumstances
That’s the way that lady luck dances
Roll the bones

Why are we here?
Because we’re here.
Roll the bones
Why does it happen?
Because it happens.
Roll the bones

[woodland]

with genial warts and herpes cases on the rise, would not risk this.

[GoldfishMan]

THIS. Go through the HPV subreddit. Harrowing shit, I do NOT need to deal with any lifelong std's. I don't even fuck civ girls BB.

This is an interesting point. I've always wondered about guys on this forum who may never have experienced BB sex. If you've never had a long term partner and had most of your sex from WLs, surely it's possible for you to go through life without once having BB sex.

Any bros can attest?

[justincase]

This is an interesting point. I've always wondered about guys on this forum who may never have experienced BB sex. If you've never had a long term partner and had most of your sex from WLs, surely it's possible for you to go through life without once having BB sex.

Any bros can attest?

I’ve always had GF’s for the last four plus decades. What surprises me is the fact some punters have NEVER had a relationship.

I would have thought it’s relationship first and punting second, not punting first and no relationship.

Today’s man is different to men of my era. They don’t “look” at women and they don’t seem to have the “want” of sex.

I’d say definitely they have less testosterone.

What happened?

[Wayne]

Interesting diversion on this thread. Don’t think human biology has changed in 1000s of years. It’s just the psychology. Isn’t that how boffins explain the myriad of social problems? We are still basically cavemen with sophisticated toys. Dominant males have always monopolised the most attractive females. Subservient males left to pick up the crumbs and negotiate sexual favours.
As for extras, I’ve observed that most women just want an acknowledgement of doing something special for you. In my experience that’s seldom more than $100. Most times it isn’t even that. Paying double or triple that is inflationary.

[Double_Adapter]

I’ve always had GF’s for the last four plus decades. What surprises me is the fact some punters have NEVER had a relationship.

I would have thought it’s relationship first and punting second, not punting first and no relationship.

Today’s man is different to men of my era. They don’t “look” at women and they don’t seem to have the “want” of sex.

I’d say definitely they have less testosterone.

What happened?

For some, punting can become a sort of micro-relationship, even if it only lasts an hour every couple of weeks. This might explain why GFE is so highly sought after in the punting scene.

https://nordicmodelnow.org/2019/11/22/open-letter-to-all-the-sex-buyers-everywhere/

[Wayne]

For some, punting can become a sort of micro-relationship, even if it only lasts an hour every couple of weeks. This might explain why GFE is so highly sought after in the punting scene.

https://nordicmodelnow.org/2019/11/22/open-letter-to-all-the-sex-buyers-everywhere/

Thanks for posting this but really, what’s the point. Yes, lots of girls are coerced into prostitution. Undoubtedly there is a trade in humans for sex and it’s awful. But not all sex workers are victims. It’s this moral polarisation that gets my goat. Some men are arseholes and treat women appallingly. The great majority of men visiting brothels are simply frustrated and lonely. Surely it is better to cater for these than pander to extremes.

[touchthesky]

Between 2022 and 2025, more than 13,000 people in Japan have been infected with syphilis.

[johncitizen]

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[11Bravo]

Between 2022 and 2025, more than 13,000 people in Japan have been infected with syphilis.

Yea? Name three. (old joke).

[Hammerhead]

Antibiotic resistant gonorhea has been widely reported to NSW Health via their track and trace system.
Cases in Victoria too.
Not the end of the world, as there are highly potent antibiotics that will be taken via IV to combat the infection.
So, play safe fellas

[andrewv]

Antibiotic resistance is serious business.

Also, what is not often said is the immune system gets compromised as men's bodies deal with STDs and recover.

Just because there are drugs to fight STD infections and recover from them does not mean total success, because the immune system becomes weaker and non-STD infections become easier to pick up.

Ditto with vulnerability to cancer, where in reality cancer is not an infection (not a virus) but the body's failure to deal with creating defective cells......

In summary, people who have been sick and recovered do not have the same quality immune system as those who hardly ever get sick when other infections/diseases knock on their doors.

[I_luv_doggie.]

Between 2022 and 2025, more than 13,000 people in Japan have been infected with syphilis.

Not down playing the risk etc but the joint has a population of 122m.

More relevance would be where the numbers are located/concentrated.

[The giver]

It's been offered to me a handful of times for a fee at Ginza in the last couple of years, always J girls. I always refused since if they're offering it to you, they're probably offering it to everyone. Those girls no longer work there (the ones I saw anyway). I have done it with WL without paying extra when I was younger because they were into me, this is going back 15 years ago, some even turned into situationships outside shops, luckily never caught anything. I think it's riskier now since more people engage in hookup culture. You can catch it out in the wild too. I have a friend who doesn't go to shops, he's a good looking rooster who picks up easy and he's gotten the curable ones a handful of times from "regular" women.

[secret0]

Not down playing the risk etc but the joint has a population of 122m.

More relevance would be where the numbers are located/concentrated.

At the same time, BBFS is the norm for sex work in Japan, and sex education is overall poor, so it's likely that it's concentrated among sex workers and customers, but also that the numbers are actually higher as it's generally under-reported.

[limbi8888]

up to you but i would never risk it with any pro

[GoldfishMan]

Slightly tongue in cheek.
You guys reckon J girls don't use condoms because of all the censorship in their porn? All the dicks are pixellated in JAV. They can't even tell if the actors were dommed up or not.

[local]

Slightly tongue in cheek.
You guys reckon J girls don't use condoms because of all the censorship in their porn? All the dicks are pixellated in JAV. They can't even tell if the actors were dommed up or not.

most of these J girls are on prep !! but of course that does protect against everything.

seems they think it does.

[Wayne]

most of these J girls are on prep !! but of course that does protect against everything.

seems they think it does.

Not just the J girls. Seems to me it’s become common amongst younger working girls from everywhere. It’s surprising to come across Thai or Korean girls now offering. It’s always been common for Chinese to use it as an enticement for repeat business. But really quite shocking to get the offer from Koreans.

[GoldfishMan]

Not just the J girls. Seems to me it’s become common amongst younger working girls from everywhere. It’s surprising to come across Thai or Korean girls now offering. It’s always been common for Chinese to use it as an enticement for repeat business. But really quite shocking to get the offer from Koreans.

And why is it "shocking"? No offence intended whatsoever.
I just think that: is it possible that we are now being slow, a bit behind the curve?
Just as we were slow in recognising the threat of the HIV pandemic and therefore slow in taking up the use of condoms to prevent the spread of HIV, maybe we are now slow, again, to recognise the impact of PrEP/PEP on the singular topic of condom use?
If the need to use condoms was precipitated by the prevalence of HIV (at the time), wouldn't the introduction of a different (one might argue, an even more effective) prophylactic in the form of PrEP/PEP render the older, less effective prophylactic (yep, looking straight at you Mr Rubber. In all your piercable, tearable, misuseable glory) practically useless?

I may be overstepping a bit. Maybe not "useless" but certainly not optimal. I think you get my point.

Maybe we need to think about this and not just blindly bag all these WLs that break all the rules that we've been taught since childhood to accept. Maybe they're simply ahead of the curve and we're not?

[Wayne]

Excellent point GoldfishMan.
I just mean shocking as very surprising because I remember being lectured by Korean working girls about sexual health. I even had a very short relationship with a Korean who insisted on always using condoms. Gave me a slanted view of Korean women as being overly uptight.
But you are right about a paradigm shift that older blokes are slow to pick up on.

[GoldfishMan]

Excellent point GoldfishMan.
I just mean shocking as very surprising because I remember being lectured by Korean working girls about sexual health. I even had a very short relationship with a Korean who insisted on always using condoms. Gave me a slanted view of Korean women as being overly uptight.
But you are right about a paradigm shift that older blokes are slow to pick up on.

I wouldn't call them uptight. Just slow to adapt. I'll admit, most of us are, ,myself included. I am far from being a pioneer, but I do try to not be the last one to realise that the sky ain't falling and I can get out from under my desk!

[Endo123]

It's been offered to me a handful of times for a fee at Ginza in the last couple of years, always J girls. I always refused since if they're offering it to you, they're probably offering it to everyone. Those girls no longer work there (the ones I saw anyway). I have done it with WL without paying extra when I was younger because they were into me, this is going back 15 years ago, some even turned into situationships outside shops, luckily never caught anything. I think it's riskier now since more people engage in hookup culture. You can catch it out in the wild too. I have a friend who doesn't go to shops, he's a good looking rooster who picks up easy and he's gotten the curable ones a handful of times from "regular" women.

How much is the fee when they offerred?


Slightly tongue in cheek.
You guys reckon J girls don't use condoms because of all the censorship in their porn? All the dicks are pixellated in JAV. They can't even tell if the actors were dommed up or not.

Theres been alot of uncensored leak versions in recent years, and, decensorship with better technology - ironically, they pretty much all wear condoms.

[andrewv]

Tens of online sites show uncesored Japanese porn movies. Just type "Japan sex video uncensored" and they're a dime a dozen.

[GoldfishMan]

Tens of online sites show uncesored Japanese porn movies. Just type "Japan sex video uncensored" and they're a dime a dozen.

Well, that's the thing about Japan. It's a strange place with strange laws. If you live in Japan, you're actually not allowed to create or access Japanese porn that was uncensored. It's illegal.

A Japanese person living in Japan who doesn't go out of their way to get uncensored porn or risk being caught doing it, will be stuck with censored porn.

Years ago it was even weirder. Retailers were not allowed to even sell Japanese porn to overseas markets. Shops like DMM would have a geolocation filter that prevented access to their online shop from outside Japan. Not sure what's the status now.

[The giver]

How much is the fee when they offerred?

Average offered was $150 at the time.

[Redsky77]

Was offered by a J girl at fireflies .. accept I did. Which is unlike myself. Was ChatGPT and googling my odds for catching something 5 mins after leaving.. the odds seemed in my favor 😅 .. I’ve been paranoid about phantom sensations since but believe I still have a %100 clean record. Agree the practice should be stamped out for everyone involved. HPV seems like scary stuff.

[priapus1966]

Between 2022 and 2025, more than 13,000 people in Japan have been infected with syphilis.

And your source is?

[HiredGoon]

Between 2022 and 2025, more than 13,000 people in Japan have been infected with syphilis.

I certainly don't condone unsafe sex with randoms but that is fuck all really.

[11Bravo]

Was offered by a J girl at fireflies .. accept I did. Which is unlike myself. Was ChatGPT and googling my odds for catching something 5 mins after leaving.. the odds seemed in my favor 😅 .. I’ve been paranoid about phantom sensations since but believe I still have a %100 clean record. Agree the practice should be stamped out for everyone involved. HPV seems like scary stuff.

"Stamped out"? So you prefer enforcement rather than self-discipline? Seems the latter is much easier; well, at least for some.

Life is full of risk, risk to simply crossing a street (especially for me as I instinctively look the wrong way). So I prefer to cross with intersections with signals... I don't insist that every intersection has a signal (do like school time - crossing guards near all schools). And some shop's stairs... thinking of you Yoko, you miss that top stair on your way down, that could be SERIOUS trouble...

And as to "safe" sex... you should ChatGPT on herpes. Vaccine for HPV, for herpes... And while that condom protects your shaft, good luck on your ball sack...

Just saying it's up to the INDIVIDUALS involved. You don't care for her "attitude", feet don't fail me now.

[andrewv]

The classic STD infections are very well researched and treatable. The really scary one is HPV which can cause cancer years and years later.

The Association Between HPV and Cancer

- HPV infections account for roughly 5% of all cancers worldwide. This is not a small percentage when you think about cancer.
- Some HPV infections that persist for many years may increase a person’s risk of developing cancer.
- HPV is a common cause of oropharyngeal cancer (cancers of the tongue base and tonsil) and currently accounts for the majority of new cases. I have personally known a man who had tongue cancer and it was removed. He ended up living a miserable life for 2 years then died when it came back in his neck.

My 5-cents worth: Never, ever go down on a prostitute. Licking that cunt is as dangerous as fucking her without a condom, if not more dangerous. Forget about the few minutes of enjoyment or your ego trip and thrill of "making her cum".

[Redsky77]

"Stamped out"? So you prefer enforcement rather than self-discipline? Seems the latter is much easier; well, at least for some.

Life is full of risk, risk to simply crossing a street (especially for me as I instinctively look the wrong way). So I prefer to cross with intersections with signals... I don't insist that every intersection has a signal (do like school time - crossing guards near all schools). And some shop's stairs... thinking of you Yoko, you miss that top stair on your way down, that could be SERIOUS trouble...

And as to "safe" sex... you should ChatGPT on herpes. Vaccine for HPV, for herpes... And while that condom protects your shaft, good luck on your ball sack...

Just saying it's up to the INDIVIDUALS involved. You don't care for her "attitude", feet don't fail me now.

Put forward multiple strawman arguments which have nothing to do with the topic on hand..

[Niceguy11]

This is an interesting point. I've always wondered about guys on this forum who may never have experienced BB sex. If you've never had a long term partner and had most of your sex from WLs, surely it's possible for you to go through life without once having BB sex.

Any bros can attest?

Longest relationship I had was 4 years. BB with a girlfriend or wife always feels different in terms of real feelings.

With bros that have never had a GF and have only punted, of course BB with a WL is bound to happen.

On a side note, money will change anyone especially when it comes to WL’s. When I had my birthday party at the crown, I still remember the 2 hot as fuck jap girls entering a room full of rich looking blokes. It doesn’t take much to put 2 and 2 together. I knew what was going on.

[GoldfishMan]

Longest relationship I had was 4 years. BB with a girlfriend or wife always feels different in terms of real feelings.

With bros that have never had a GF and have only punted, of course BB with a WL is bound to happen.


I don't think that's a guaranteed. Don't underestimate the power of fear. I reckon there are lots of bros out there who will never take the risk of doing BB with a WL, just as there are many who would.

Heck, I even think that a person could be so used to the feeling of fucking with a CD that they might find BB uncomfortable. It's all about conditioning. And it's more likely to happen with guys because our dicks don't move inside the CD, we don't feel any unpleasant friction that the girls do from using one.

[andrewv]

This discussion reminded me of a work colleague who confessed that he always wore condoms with his wife because he was a premature ejaculator, and his wife got angry when he finished within a minute or two when they did it bareback. :)

[Niceguy11]

I don't think that's a guaranteed. Don't underestimate the power of fear. I reckon there are lots of bros out there who will never take the risk of doing BB with a WL, just as there are many who would.

Heck, I even think that a person could be so used to the feeling of fucking with a CD that they might find BB uncomfortable. It's all about conditioning. And it's more likely to happen with guys because our dicks don't move inside the CD, we don't feel any unpleasant friction that the girls do from using one.

Yeah true.

Natural is always the best feeling.

[Wayne]

This discussion reminded me of a work colleague who confessed that he always wore condoms with his wife because he was a premature ejaculator, and his wife got angry when he finished within a minute or two when they did it bareback. :)

That’s interesting; because I find, with all the young Japanese now in shops, that their offer of no condom comes during sex. I’ll be pumping away and I get the offer. I know most working girls hate blokes who take forever to cum. They all prefer quick wham bangs. So I’d speculate that part of the no condom thing with Japanese is they use it as a method to shorten the sex encounter.

[GoldfishMan]

This discussion reminded me of a work colleague who confessed that he always wore condoms with his wife because he was a premature ejaculator, and his wife got angry when he finished within a minute or two when they did it bareback. :)

If he could fuck longer with a CD on, I reckon your work colleague didn't have PE, all he needed was more practice. A real PE sufferer is really quite extreme. They cum within a minute of penetration. Sometimes less than 10 secs if there's too much movement. Literally insert and blow. People who don't have it will find it hard to understand.

[Abracadabra]

If he could fuck longer with a CD on, I reckon your work colleague didn't have PE, all he needed was more practice. A real PE sufferer is really quite extreme. They cum within a minute of penetration. Sometimes less than 10 secs if there's too much movement. Literally insert and blow. People who don't have it will find it hard to understand.

Reminds me of an old friend of mine, who in the early 70s was determined to lose his virginity (we were 18) and he picked up this street hooker in the middle of the Cross one night.
As he later told us (very forthcoming ) he blew in his pants just through the sight of following her mini skirted ass walking up some stairs to her room .... BUT, still had what it took to get a boner 5 mins later and do the deed !!

FMD, to be 18 again !

[Linza Giz]

Reminds me of an old friend of mine, who in the early 70s was determined to lose his virginity (we were 18) and he picked up this street hooker in the middle of the Cross one night.
As he later told us (very forthcoming ) he blew in his pants just through the sight of following her mini skirted ass walking up some stairs to her room .... BUT, still had what it took to get a boner 5 mins later and do the deed !!

FMD, to be 18 again !

Haha yeah mate back in those days I could fuck 3 to 4 times in a row. It hurt alot cuming the 3rd or 4th time tbh. But those days are long gone. Good times obviously being 16 to 18 I was fucking 16 to 18 year olds at parties ..those days are also long gone haha

[Mt.smash20s]

Haha yeah mate back in those days I could fuck 3 to 4 times in a row. It hurt alot cuming the 3rd or 4th time tbh. But those days are long gone. Good times obviously being 16 to 18 I was fucking 16 to 18 year olds at parties ..those days are also long gone haha

Imagine having that stamina while rooting these WLs. Infinite shots

[andrewv]

All of the above goes to show that sex is 80% in the mind. If there is arousal and the brain is hyperactive about the excitement, ejaculation follows quick smart.
It is not all about the sensation down below.

[Wayne]

All of the above goes to show that sex is 80% in the mind. If there is arousal and the brain is hyperactive about the excitement, ejaculation follows quick smart.
It is not all about the sensation down below.

You’re right. Might be closer to 99%

[Abracadabra]

All of the above goes to show that sex is 80% in the mind. If there is arousal and the brain is hyperactive about the excitement, ejaculation follows quick smart.
It is not all about the sensation down below.

This is something I've known for some time, particularly as I've gotten older.

Amazing what I a simple act, look, words or movement can do !

[HiyanSamurai]

Was offered by a J girl at fireflies .. accept I did. Which is unlike myself. Was ChatGPT and googling my odds for catching something 5 mins after leaving.. the odds seemed in my favor 😅 .. I’ve been paranoid about phantom sensations since but believe I still have a %100 clean record. Agree the practice should be stamped out for everyone involved. HPV seems like scary stuff.

What was her name?