What would you do? (ML anticlimax)

[Titan1]

Went to shop and from the line up, chose the ML I liked.

She was bubbly, smiley and gave a great hard part 1. Throughout part 1, she was touching my man parts through my legs quite a bit- I was super excited for part 2. Rolled over and was offered a menu:
- $200 FS
- $150 Bodyslide, covered BJ, NHJ
- $100 NHJ, allowed to touch

In my head I was thinking, this is expensive, when did these prices go up? By my little man overrode my frontal cortex and I opted for $100 option.

Part 2 was disappointing.
While NHJ was happening, I slowly moved to touch, her entire body was apparently super sensitive, so I barely touch and honestly t that point i wanted to end it and finish the session without finishing. From the oil she was using, some got onto my hands and she said I can't touch her anymore bc the oil makes her skin itchy. I told at this point I wanted to stop and end the session, even with 10min to go (it was a 45min session).

I was obviously not happy and she seemed like she did her job. My frontal cortex activated at this point and I asked her, since I didn't finish and since you weren't comfortable for me to touch you, is 1 pineapple OK? She erupted and caused a scene, saying she'd call the police and she'll tell all the MLs about me. The boss man intervened, I explained the situation and she was screaming in the background. The boss man eventually told me to peacefully leave. Did i do something wrong? Blaming myself here... but it felt like the worst experience ever.

Wanting to reach out to share my experience and see what you would've done, or if you had a similar situation??

[johncitizen]

If it was me, I would’ve stayed silent and begrudgingly paid the $100 while telling myself that I wouldn’t go back to the store. That’s not to say that you did something wrong and I’m sure that some people would’ve done the same thing as you.

A similar thing happened to me a few weeks ago. I paid for a pretty standard extra only to be told halfway through that she wouldn’t do it because it wasn’t safe. I felt a bit peeved but I let it go because it was otherwise a good massage. Shit happens, as they say. But I probably won’t go back to the store, and I certainly won’t see her again.

As to your ML’s conduct, I think she massively overreacted. If she had a problem with it, she could’ve just said no instead of making such a big scene.

[Nelly69]

How much was the 45 mins session? $100 NHJ is a bit rich, I am losing interest in massage shops these days because of this.

[Titan1]

$70 or $75, I can't remember exactly, but I'm certain this price doesnt include the NHJ. I've been here a few times and all the girls have been great.

Which brings to me another Q, what are the standard prices for NHJ and touching?

[Nelly69]

$70 or $75, I can't remember exactly, but I'm certain this price doesnt include the NHJ. I've been here a few times and all the girls have been great.

Which brings to me another Q, what are the standard prices for NHJ and touching?

Well, I think thats the point. Girls are charging flat rate for FS @ $150 all all the shops. If the shop only charges $70 for the massage, then $150 is fair. but the same girl would be asking for $150 at a shop where you pay $140/h essentially double dipping.

I think punters are willing to pay so price just keeps going up.

[Mr Nice]

I would go with John Citizen here too. Just pay, cop it as a loss and not return. Not worth the argument over a few bucks.

I was in a massage shop a month back where the police turned up after some guy refused to pay. But that worked out well for me as my ML got turned on listening to the police chat with the mamasan, and we fucked while they took a statement....



QUOTE=johncitizen;3947222]If it was me, I would’ve stayed silent and begrudgingly paid the $100 while telling myself that I wouldn’t go back to the store. That’s not to say that you did something wrong and I’m sure that some people would’ve done the same thing as you.

A similar thing happened to me a few weeks ago. I paid for a pretty standard extra only to be told halfway through that she wouldn’t do it because it wasn’t safe. I felt a bit peeved but I let it go because it was otherwise a good massage. Shit happens, as they say.

As to your ML’s conduct, I think she massively overreacted. If she had a problem with it, she could’ve just said no instead of making such a big scene.[/QUOTE]

[blanet]

No such thing as standard pricing. The girl charges what she thinks she’s worth. Some are greedy and want more which is what happened here. In one hand you agreed to pay the $100 and reneged despite getting the hj, nude and touching albeit limited in this case but according to you she didn’t fulfil your expectations so you felt entitled to some financial compensation. Thing is, touching is subjective, some ml allow only touching body, while others allow tits play but pussy is off limits. A NHJ does not guarantee the punter will cum and is not part of the deal. When you order a meal, you pay the restaurant full price to cook your food regardless of how satisfied you were with the taste.

[Malaya]

You paid for the service without violating its terms and conditions.
WTF?!

[jedibear]

Where is this place so I can avoid?

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[Jack-Jack]

If it was me, I would’ve stayed silent and begrudgingly paid the $100 while telling myself that I wouldn’t go back to the store. That’s not to say that you did something wrong and I’m sure that some people would’ve done the same thing as you.

A similar thing happened to me a few weeks ago. I paid for a pretty standard extra only to be told halfway through that she wouldn’t do it because it wasn’t safe. I felt a bit peeved but I let it go because it was otherwise a good massage. Shit happens, as they say. But I probably won’t go back to the store, and I certainly won’t see her again.

As to your ML’s conduct, I think she massively overreacted. If she had a problem with it, she could’ve just said no instead of making such a big scene.


$70 or $75, I can't remember exactly, but I'm certain this price doesnt include the NHJ. I've been here a few times and all the girls have been great.

Which brings to me another Q, what are the standard prices for NHJ and touching?

Assuming that the price was for massage only and not stripping or HE then $100 is a bit much even if she is really pretty or young as im sure in the RnT space theres always someone better and less greedy.... she probly had takers at that price point so thought it was the norm or that ppl would pay

All in all i would say 2 sides to the coin and how often you go to the shop.... if the shop is known to have greedy girls and poor quality control e.g. girl profile and photos then just stop going and find a new place.

If shop is known to be pretty good with finding young girls and have accurate profile stats and pics and other girls there charge more reasonable rates give the shop another chance and just blacklist that girl ..... if the shop is good i wouldnt rule out going to the shop for that one bad apple esp with these things where the extra was agreed between you and the girl/shop doesnt play a part in quality control on part 2 and 3

[Jack-Jack]

No such thing as standard pricing. The girl charges what she thinks she’s worth. Some are greedy and want more which is what happened here. In one hand you agreed to pay the $100 and reneged despite getting the hj, nude and touching albeit limited in this case but according to you she didn’t fulfil your expectations so you felt entitled to some financial compensation. Thing is, touching is subjective, some ml allow only touching body, while others allow tits play but pussy is off limits. A NHJ does not guarantee the punter will cum and is not part of the deal. When you order a meal, you pay the restaurant full price to cook your food regardless of how satisfied you were with the taste.

yea agree very good explanation hahaha thats why i've been avoiding RnT and ML for so long.... it can be very much hit n miss/YMMV esp with the pretty ones worse is when $100-200 for FS doesnt give you diamond stuff like bbbj, CIM daty (assuming the place has shower facility) my worst exp was still that time i opted for cbj and the girl brought out a piece of fucking glad wrap it and another time a sandwhich bag - so fucking weird i rather she jerk me with the nuru gel

in ops case his little brain got the better of him and he paid what the girl advertised but just didnt meet his expectation either name and shame the girl or move on its like trying a viral trending food or the premium item on the resturant menu/chefs recommendation - you accepted to pay the premium price but when the food came out it didnt meet expectation.... you can complain and vouch to never go back but unlikely to get a refund ... better luck next time bro

[Rodrigo]

Take it as a lesson learnt. You are not going to win in that situation. Avoid any conflict and don't go back to the establishment to avoid repercussions or poor experience.

[mcfly]

Punt: to take a chance.
I see punting as my choice and therefore my personal responsibility. From this viewpoint, if the outcome sucks (pun not actually intended), no matter the circumstances, I just pay and move on. I don’t waste my time or energy complaining, and I don’t take home negative feelings.

[andrewv]

The problem was with the specific girl you had, and not with the shop.
There are probably other girls there who would have agreed to accept $50 and not $100 given it was clear that you were not getting what you wanted.

In any case, the whole volcanic eruption was over $50 (the $100 she wanted versus the $50 you proposed), and it is not worth a scene to save $50.

[Vegopus]

I seriously don't understand why men throw away $ at RnTs
If I want a massage with extras I just visit 1 of my wls that knows how to massage.
Shower facilities and full menu on offer after the rub.
If I want a legit massage then I visit a legit massage shop then head over to one of my girls to get my cock sucked if I am in the mood.
It's probably cheaper and better value than a ML extras menu on top of her massage rate.
As the saying goes:
"A fool and his money are easily parted."

[GoldfishMan]

That sounds like a horrible experience, OP. Understandable that you couldn't accept having to pay the full fee, you ended up with blue balls in the end after all.

I would have done different though. For one thing, I probably would not have stayed to the end. That's me. If I see the sesh becoming a train wreck, I would abandon the train immediately. Done that a couple of times. What's the point in wasting my money AND my time?

I would throw the $100 down, make sure everyone knows I was not happy by leaving well before time, and I would come here to name and shame the girl. This type of treatment is completely unacceptable!

[silly boy]

I notice $50 seems to be becoming $70 now.

[I_luv_doggie.]

Sums why I have never been to a ML place with the extras tagging along.

Only brothels and privates. But that's me.

[Ziggurat]

that time i opted for cbj and the girl brought out a piece of fucking glad wrap it and another time a sandwhich bag - so fucking weird

Glad wrap is bad enough but was it a zip lock sandwich bag jack jack? :shout:

[Titan1]

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[Titan1]

Where is this place so I can avoid?

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I rather not say, sorry! It was the ML, not the shop, and I feel bad for naming and shaming her tbh. So if it's OK, please don't ask.

The shop owner was nice and understanding. I got a chance to speak to him privately when the ML calmed down and left the room. He refused to take my $50 and politely gestured I can leave.

This will probably be my last ML experience, ever.

[justincase]

You say you made a verbal agreement to pay $100 and halfway during the transaction you renigged.

It’s like ordering a drink and after taking a sip offering a cheaper price.

[booty_duty]

You say you made a verbal agreement to pay $100 and halfway during the transaction you renigged.

It’s like ordering a drink and after taking a sip offering a cheaper price.

+1

Whatever price that's agreed upon initially should be paid even if the service was subpar, after all, how often do you pay $300+ for diamond at a FS joint and ask for a refund post punt as you didn't receive CIM or DATY?

Massage shops are all becoming ridiculously expensive nowadays for punting, you've got joints that charge $130/hr upfront with HJ inclusive and then the girls wanting $150+ for FS on top of that (?!?)

Then there's the lower priced places that are $70-80/hr massage only and then the girl wanting $200+ for FS, you're better off going to a FS shop for that sort of money.

[IDOTHAT]

$70 or $75, I can't remember exactly, but I'm certain this price doesnt include the NHJ. I've been here a few times and all the girls have been great.

Which brings to me another Q, what are the standard prices for NHJ and touching?

$50 no more. Go to sylvania massage, or sunshine and iris in wentworth. Hot young girls and well priced.

[Titan1]

I can see everyone's point, and in hindsight, I shoulda just paid the agreed price and never returned, go on here to name and shame her.

I like the analogies. Here's mines:

ML: come in and order something, I have a lot of specials *winks*
Me: what you got?
ML: you can have a small big mac meal for $20, medium for $30 or large for $40
Me: does the large come with DATY?
ML: No, that's an extra $20, so $60
Me: i thought a large meal was $20 tops, ill go with the small meals please
ML: here's the cheese burger, but no beef patty, I ran out of cheese today.
Me: how about the sauce?
ML: no, it makes me itchy
Me: fries and coke?
ML: it's too much work for me today for that price, that's extra
Me: that's ok, I'll just get the buns and leave early, is it OK if I paid $10 though?
ML: you mother fucker, it's $20, go die in hell

*Manager walks out* what's happening?

Me: I ordered a small big mac meal for $20 and I only got the burger buns. It was just 1 bun tbh. Your worker ran out of beef patty, is itchy to sauce, sensitive to cheese and simply didnt feel lile giving me fries and coke, and in all of this, she gave me attitude throughout part 2.
Manager: sorry.

[booty_duty]

Don't go to Maccas expecting fine dining or great service then :miao:

[Wank_Somemore]

You say you made a verbal agreement to pay $100 and halfway during the transaction you renigged.

It’s like ordering a drink and after taking a sip offering a cheaper price.

I read the ordeal more like ordering a drink, taken a sip and it tasted off. No way in hell anyone would have finished it. Send it back and ask for refund.

[gundamsux]

Disappointing punts are part of the game.

I once had a girl full on telling me off for asking if bbbj is on the menu. Fucking gave me a lecture about STD. Needless to say I lost my mood but because i had agreed on a price, I closed my eyes and managed to shoot a load anyway. I will never see her again but still paid up.

[Titan1]

Yeah, maybe my expectations were too high. The shop has always delivered great MLs. This was the first bad experience, much to learn.

[Scottphar]

Absolutely horrible experience, OP. This reminds me of a similar experience I once had. It was a ML in a private apartment. Agreed for $120 for 30 mins for NHJ. Paid upfront. After I paid her attitude changed completely. Said won’t remove panties, said I can’t touch, went directly to HJ without even applying oil and started stroking like a fucking robot and in a very angry manner just to make sure I finish asap. I stopped her right there as my mood was completely off by then - i said give me my money back. She started shouting in Chinese and called some boss who apparently replies to messages and books clients on her behalf. I was adamant I wanted my money back and won’t leave until I get it. She was a psycho bitch and I wasn’t leaving my money in such persons hands. In the end she threw the money at me but I didn’t care - if I left the money she would have done the same thing to other clients as well. I wanted her also to have a bad experience just like I did.

[andrewv]

Jee... this thread has been waaaay overcooked. So much time and energy expended over $50.

[Aardvark2021]

I went to a shop today $140 for 1h. Great P1. Only to be told by ML extra $100 for take close off for HE. $240 for NHE, Are you kidding. Left with just massage. Oh well.

[BabyWolfBangBangBang]

Geeez with such wide ranges in prices these days and girls getting more greedy better off sticking with FS shops

[AGS1980]

I rather not say, sorry! It was the ML, not the shop, and I feel bad for naming and shaming her tbh. So if it's OK, please don't ask.

The shop owner was nice and understanding. I got a chance to speak to him privately when the ML calmed down and left the room. He refused to take my $50 and politely gestured I can leave.

This will probably be my last ML experience, ever.

Call me old fashioned, but isn’t that one of the purposes of these types of forums? Sharing both positive/negative experiences to assist fellow punters….

[Shitsyeah]

Call me old fashioned, but isn’t that one of the purposes of these types of forums? Sharing both positive/negative experiences to assist fellow punters….

As the Fonz would say Correctomundo

[CFH]

well you did ask if $50 was enough or not...no need for her to go off like a fire alarm but what can ya do, besides never ever go back again.

[bung72]

From the oil she was using, some got onto my hands and she said I can't touch her anymore bc the oil makes her skin itchy.

Lying bitch.
I wish these girls would just fuck off..... I've seen them in FS shops - where you can fuck them, but touching her side makes her uncomfortable, or they won't go down (directly in contravention with the shops policy mind you) as they dislike the taste of rubber.

[11Bravo]

Yeah, maybe my expectations were too high. The shop has always delivered great MLs. This was the first bad experience, much to learn.
Seems that some get it; others don't.

So I guess the don'ts would have no complaints if, after just getting to the completion of a job, the customer, the boss, appeared, saying, "You know, your work just doesn't live up to our expectations, it's a bit disappointing, so you wouldn't mind if we only paid you half the agreed upon amount?" No doubt you'd just accept and walk quietly away, eating the time and income loss of the work completed... Isn't that the gimmick that Trump used to reduce his costs?

What many here don't seem to understand is that pay AFTER ONLY works if you do pay after. She doesn't live up to YOUR expectations? Oh, the horror, the horror. You don't finish because of your own shortcummings... seems like a personal problem to me. You leave before time called, that's YOUR decision, why should she pay? Limited touching? That's a no harm, no foul. Minor discrepancies, say BBBJ is a CBJ, is a yellow card - no repeat, but full payment. Only cause for a red card is when LT is changed to ST BY HER - that's simply adjusted to my ST rate (and posted). Anything else, that's life in the big city.

I can hear the whining now. "Golly Gee, I had to get up off the table to go fetch my wallet on the flip, just ruining the mood, because she wanted to be paid before... "

If you don't have a voice to say "No thank you" with an OTT price, if you're worried about unfilled expectations, switch to brothels. Otherwise, consider you're paying for her time. If you leave before, take the loss.