What exactly is "Open Minded" for ML?

[Btman01]

As titled. Often see in shop advertisements that ML is "Open Minded" - so exactly what is it? Can I interpret that to mean anything above HJ? Does "Open Minded" mean FS /BJ/BBBJ or even NHJ ..

[themort]

I think it's just hinting at extras

[Wayne]

As titled. Often see in shop advertisements that ML is "Open Minded" - so exactly what is it? Can I interpret that to mean anything above HJ? Does "Open Minded" mean FS /BJ/BBBJ or even NHJ ..

Yes. Means she will negotiate with you for sex

[madness123]

At 227 Broadway. It is specific, You can make it clear at reception and you pay extra for cbj. Then you can discuss in the room etc

[Linza Giz]

Means sex can be negotiated as others have said

[Wank_Somemore]

I don't think that has meaning anymore. Nearly all girls are open minded.

[lance202]

It means they are open to learning about Buddha and all the other belief systems.

All the while jerking you off.

[Wayne]

I don't think that has meaning anymore. Nearly all girls are open minded.

True. Seems that working in a massage shop now means open minded

[andrewv]

It has no real meaning other than extras are possible in addition to what you paid upfront.
Open minded can range from nude HJ in the last 15 minutes of an hour's massage, all the way to FS.

Problem is as discussed many times here, that ML become very expensive when you pay too much for a bit of extras only in the last part of your booking.

WL in all cases are better economy than ML. With WL, nude from the first minute and no negotiations required at more $$$$$$.

[Wayne]

In general, andrewv yes. And I agree that WLs are better value than MLs. However, there are exceptions that are sometime very satisfying. I find that if I ask on the phone whether a ML is open minded and how much I should expect to pay then it’s all upfront and comparable in price to visiting a brothel. Most often the receptionist will reply “ask the girl in the room.” But not always. Sometimes they give you all the information you need. There are several massage shops in Mascot where this applies.

[GoldfishMan]

As far as I know, there's only 1 shop that doesn't follow the standard definition of "open minded". It's a shop where the owner doesn't allow FS on premise. Go figure.

[Ron the rimmer]

As titled. Often see in shop advertisements that ML is "Open Minded" - so exactly what is it? Can I interpret that to mean anything above HJ? Does "Open Minded" mean FS /BJ/BBBJ or even NHJ ..

It’s really very simple.
You get fooled into entering the shop with high hopes of receiving a list as long as your arm of what the lovely girl is going to offer.😂
Once you get to the room all of a sudden open minded becomes limited to a few very expensive extras which are not what you expected .
So some will fold and pay $150 for some touching and a CBJ.
Waste of time and coin and often she’s fugly anyway as you don’t get a line up
You just get the next one in line

[woods23]

As far as I know, there's only 1 shop that doesn't follow the standard definition of "open minded". It's a shop where the owner doesn't allow FS on premise. Go figure.

Thats not the case anymore before yes. It was tough
to get FS my strike was zero.
Last yr I went there 3 times md 3 times I got fs..it was easy just ask.

[priapus1966]

It has no real meaning other than extras are possible in addition to what you paid upfront.
Open minded can range from nude HJ in the last 15 minutes of an hour's massage, all the way to FS.

WL in all cases are better economy than ML. With WL, nude from the first minute and no negotiations required at more $$$$$$.

It's best to ask if extras are available at the beginning of the session. Negotiating with your dick in her hands is not smart! In my experience requests for extras are generally better received on a second visit rather than the first.

[Massagecreep]

Not sure which shop you are referring to. Saigon Princess used to ban the girls from doing FS

[GoldfishMan]

Not sure which shop you are referring to. Saigon Princess used to ban the girls from doing FS

And did they advertise with "open minded" while still banning the practice?

The other shop is OK if they now fall in-line with our lingo. But any shop that advertises "Open Minded" yet bans FS on premise should be boycotted IMO. They're literally shitting on standards that we have set as a collective, punters and puntee alike. That term is not for them to use freely as they like just to lure in business.

[Rodman]

Not sure which shop you are referring to. Saigon Princess used to ban the girls from doing FS
Ha ha
Yeah and but Ive had it many times there

[maguro]

"Open Minded" means a ML is well read and intellectual.

She could discuss existenlialism, quantum physics, English classics etc. with you. She probably speaks French and Spanish too and frequents libraries very often.

Please visit the establisments as a well-educated scholar.

[Double_Adapter]

Open minded is a just a fucken marketing gimmick.....and some blokes still queue up to buy that sales-pitch!

Reality check: if you roll in looking like Brad Pitt or Chris Hemsworth she'll be extremely open minded - even if you're old, bald, and fat, but with good table manners and a thick wallet, over time a chick will become open minded. Anything between those two extremes is a roll of the dice.

Open minded just means subject to a visual inspection, personal connection, and available funds.

[woods23]

Open minded in 2025/2026= FS is on offer( secret code)

[kingwally]

Open minded is a just a fucken marketing gimmick.....and some blokes still queue up to buy that sales-pitch!

Reality check: if you roll in looking like Brad Pitt or Chris Hemsworth she'll be extremely open minded - even if you're old, bald, and fat, but with good table manners and a thick wallet, over time a chick will become open minded. Anything between those two extremes is a roll of the dice.

Open minded just means subject to a visual inspection, personal connection, and available funds.

Agree 100% looks and money talks!

[GoldfishMan]

Open minded is a just a fucken marketing gimmick.....and some blokes still queue up to buy that sales-pitch!

Reality check: if you roll in looking like Brad Pitt or Chris Hemsworth she'll be extremely open minded - even if you're old, bald, and fat, but with good table manners and a thick wallet, over time a chick will become open minded. Anything between those two extremes is a roll of the dice.

Open minded just means subject to a visual inspection, personal connection, and available funds.

Good point. Emphasis on the "personal connection" part. Have you ever been in a situation, anywhere not just in punting, where the very first time you ever meet a girl, she just behaves like she's known you for a long time?

It always takes me by surprise. I could be ogling a girl for a while, gathering courage to talk to her, then when I finally do it, she just takes the lead from the get go. The rest is like a whirlwind and before I know it I'm in a relationship!

The same goes with MLs. I'd book a girl for the first time sight unseen thinking it would just be a run off the mill HJ sesh. Not very often, and only with K an C girls, they just really give me the vibe that they're "at ease" with me as soon as they come into the room. No formal greetings or whatever, they just come in talking about how they're having a bad day, etc. I'm again like a deer caught in the headlights but these first meetings usually lead to long-term regulars. None of them had any "open minded" on them either from my vague memory.

Girls can sometimes be so hard to figure out!

[andrewv]

So many opinions on what "open-minded" means.....

In my view, "open-minded" means:

1. You will have to spend more money than shown on the price list, and
2. The girl will do a good sales job on you to see how much $$$ she can get out of you in the room for how little she could get away with.

I've been around this who thing for too many years. There is simply NO other definition of open-minded.

Painful reminder: The shops and girls objective is business. To get the maximum dollars for the least effort, without losing your business. The girl is not in love with you and thinking "oh, I love him so much, I want to do all I can to make him happy and satisfied."

Your objective is to get maximum bang for your buck for the least dollar amount.

The two objectives are in conflict.

[cplurt2]

It means she will keep sucking after you fart

[ColesBag]

Not sure which shop you are referring to. Saigon Princess used to ban the girls from doing FS

Probably due to being paranoid from the local council.

[hohnerboy]

I know of a couple of massage shops where open minded means bbfs, and another where it meant a nude hj. Go figure

[bewitched]

Seems like we've absolutely nailed down what open minded is!

[trampslikeus55]

Open minded is a just a fucken marketing gimmick.....and some blokes still queue up to buy that sales-pitch!

Reality check: if you roll in looking like Brad Pitt or Chris Hemsworth she'll be extremely open minded - even if you're old, bald, and fat, but with good table manners and a thick wallet, over time a chick will become open minded. Anything between those two extremes is a roll of the dice.

Open minded just means subject to a visual inspection, personal connection, and available funds.
It is safer than writing "she will only fuck handsome men with plenty of money" in the description 👍

[ditchtheboss]

In my experience open minded means she will be open to fs talks. Every time I saw an open minded girl I had full service. YMMV

[DDT]

Okay, we've been talking about open-minded, so what can we say when they say friendly?

[11Bravo]

So many opinions on what "open-minded" means.....

In my view, "open-minded" means:

1. You will have to spend more money than shown on the price list, and
2. The girl will do a good sales job on you to see how much $$$ she can get out of you in the room for how little she could get away with.

I've been around this who thing for too many years. There is simply NO other definition of open-minded.

Painful reminder: The shops and girls objective is business. To get the maximum dollars for the least effort, without losing your business. The girl is not in love with you and thinking "oh, I love him so much, I want to do all I can to make him happy and satisfied."

Your objective is to get maximum bang for your buck for the least dollar amount.

The two objectives are in conflict.

Wait a minute, now just wait ONE minute. You mean, independent contractors are allowed to quote individual prices for individual jobs rather than a one-size fits all quote? That a customer has the freedom to open his mouth and negotiate price? Does the socialist state govt know about this? Seems the govt certainly wants to curtail free speech. Is capitalism and the free market next?

Talking to women doesn't bother me one bit, but I did go to coed schools.

Perhaps you've never been a contractor, a salesman, a marketeer. The methodology you describe would seem to fit a lot of jobs. But perhaps you're just used to paying MSRP? Half the fun of shopping in world bazaars is sitting down, having a glass of chi, and discussing price.

But, being a nice guy, I am willing to sell a pair of those special glasses that allow you to see the bg's/bfl/mp prices stamped on their foreheads in invisible ink. No discussion needed.

IME: Open minded means it is her choice as to what extras will be provided.

There's even a manual:
https://www.aus99forum.com/showthread.php?87640-Sydney-Massage-Shop-Guide&p=1637055&viewfull=1#post1637055

[Double_Adapter]

Okay, we've been talking about open-minded, so what can we say when they say friendly?

Open minded with friendly rates perhaps ?

[Ronron0407]

I know of a couple of massage shops where open minded means bbfs, and another where it meant a nude hj. Go figure

Spill the name please


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[andrewv]

Wait a minute, now just wait ONE minute. You mean, independent contractors are allowed to quote individual prices for individual jobs rather than a one-size fits all quote? That a customer has the freedom to open his mouth and negotiate price? Does the socialist state govt know about this? Seems the govt certainly wants to curtail free speech. Is capitalism and the free market next?

Talking to women doesn't bother me one bit, but I did go to coed schools.

Perhaps you've never been a contractor, a salesman, a marketeer. The methodology you describe would seem to fit a lot of jobs. But perhaps you're just used to paying MSRP? Half the fun of shopping in world bazaars is sitting down, having a glass of chi, and discussing price.

But, being a nice guy, I am willing to sell a pair of those special glasses that allow you to see the bg's/bfl/mp prices stamped on their foreheads in invisible ink. No discussion needed.

IME: Open minded means it is her choice as to what extras will be provided.

There's even a manual:
https://www.aus99forum.com/showthread.php?87640-Sydney-Massage-Shop-Guide&p=1637055&viewfull=1#post1637055

Actually, you seem to think that women who sell their bodies are just a product.
Most financial transactions involve the sale and purchase of products and/or services, but with sex it is not just a service but the woman's own body in a very intimate way, which makes this a very different ballgame.

[JJBlows]

She's open minded to what your wallet has to offer

[11Bravo]

Actually, you seem to think that women who sell their bodies are just a product.
Most financial transactions involve the sale and purchase of products and/or services, but with sex it is not just a service but the woman's own body in a very intimate way, which makes this a very different ballgame.

You should do your homework. I've stated many times that if you treat her like a person, she'll be a person. If you treat her like an orifice, she'll be an orifice. I'm definitely of the former, not the latter; that should be obvious. The product is sex; she is not. I understand the difference, ala "your job does not define you" (though many here think differently).

I just understand that's it's just business. You're the one saying "Your objective is to get maximum bang for your buck for the least dollar amount." Sounds like a product purchase to me. My epiphany came when I was standing in a bar negotiating with a BFL and realized, when I did the mental currency conversion, that the only thing between enjoying her company for the night or not was all of $20 AUS. That's what I call a no-brainer. For you... might be open to question.

[priapus1966]

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IME: Open minded means it is her choice as to what extras will be provided.

This is the entire point and the fundamental difference between a WL and an ML. The ML retains the right to make the decision whether she will or whether she will not provide a particular extra service. In my 30+ years of experience the skill, kindness and consideration of the punter is of far more importance than his superficial physical appearance.

[johncitizen]

Painful reminder: The shops and girls objective is business. To get the maximum dollars for the least effort, without losing your business. The girl is not in love with you and thinking "oh, I love him so much, I want to do all I can to make him happy and satisfied."

Your objective is to get maximum bang for your buck for the least dollar amount.

The two objectives are in conflict.


If we treat punting like a zero-sum game, we are gonna have a shitty experience most of the time.

The better approach is to assume that her main objective is to provide a good service and make you feel good. This should be the punters main objective, too (to feel good). Yes, it’s a business transaction, but it’s also a pleasure-seeking activity.

I think this approach matches with reality, too. Think of the countless times youve heard a girl say Im happy/satisfied if you are happy/satisfied?

Of course, youll come across some lacklustre individuals, but these exist in every service industry.

[Dagwood]

It can be a sign YMMV greatly, as the visit can be fun or not.

It’s that what ML punting all about?

[MegaChad]

Open minded is a just a fucken marketing gimmick.....and some blokes still queue up to buy that sales-pitch!

Reality check: if you roll in looking like Brad Pitt or Chris Hemsworth she'll be extremely open minded - even if you're old, bald, and fat, but with good table manners and a thick wallet, over time a chick will become open minded. Anything between those two extremes is a roll of the dice.

Open minded just means subject to a visual inspection, personal connection, and available funds.

This is true. brother Double_Adapter knows whats up.

If you are young and handsome or you roll in there looking like Brad Pitt or Chris Hemsworth, then she will be extremely open-minded.

If you're an Old, Bald, Fat Farang, then its all transactional, all about money and YMMV. She will only be open-minded depending on how far your wallet goes.

[jaquedm1307]

This is true. brother Double_Adapter knows whats up.

If you are young and handsome or you roll in there looking like Brad Pitt or Chris Hemsworth, then she will be extremely open-minded.

If you're an Old, Bald, Fat Farang, then its all transactional, all about money and YMMV. She will only be open-minded depending on how far your wallet goes.

Has the Thunderrcock phoenix risen from the fire ????? Or have I missed the 8 ball and everyone knows ������*♂️��*♂️

As the great Robin Williams said when explaining about golf
'They put a fuvking weeeeeeeee flag on the horizon to give yeee hoooope .....

Written on the punters flag is 'open minded' - it's there and it's achievable but depends on the weather conditions of the day - it depends on your mindset and attitude you project and how that's perceived by the ML - it depends on your wallet but even if you get all that right sometimes the punting gods have other ideas - like you might remind her of her 3rd cousin forth removed who she can't stand

[ironmonk]

real "open minded" is BBFSCIP.

The true Full service and GFE

[11Bravo]

This is true. brother Double_Adapter knows whats up.

If you are young and handsome or you roll in there looking like Brad Pitt or Chris Hemsworth, then she will be extremely open-minded.

If you're an Old, Bald, Fat Farang, then its all transactional, all about money and YMMV. She will only be open-minded depending on how far your wallet goes.
As posted above, it means menu is open for discussion. Being optimistic, saying I'm in the same species as Brad or Chris, though qualifying for 3 out of 4 BOFF's, I'm content with "transactional". I just understand it's mutual; she bases her price on me, I base my price on her. I just love that bar/club symmetry, the mating dance.


Has the Thunderrcock phoenix risen from the fire ????? Or have I missed the 8 ball and everyone knows ������*♂️��*♂
As someone (forgot who) once said, they're just like weeds. Get cut down, pulled out, but after that next rain, up they spring. :bad_egg:

The price of a FREE forum.

[Egammur]

Nice. Yes, it's all in the moment. If the moment's right, and right maybe because subatomic particles align, who knows, you can be rapt and coiled like two snakes.

[TheFinger]

real "open minded" is BBFSCIP.

The true Full service and GFE

Have never had or been offered that, part 3 has always been wearing PPE

[MegaChad]

Nice. Yes, it's all in the moment. If the moment's right, and right maybe because subatomic particles align, who knows, you can be rapt and coiled like two snakes.

It will always be the right moment if you look like Brad Pitt or Chris Hemsworth