racist rants

[PhoBot]

I'd love to have been on this bus. I'd have quietly got of the bus, followed him to a quiet place to teach him some manners.

http://www.smh.com.au/nsw/passengers-stood-by-as-asian-tourists-were-abused-20130401-2h30p.html

[tknt84]

I saw this. It makes me furious.
Just the other day I had someone throw a racially charged comment my way and it took me every bit of effort to take the higher road and not belt him one.

[Divine]

Definitely scum... I do also experience racism sometimes, but not directly at me like this incident but sometimes passively at western restaurants and some events...

[jellyshots]

Pfft! Even though I haven't been the recipient of racism for a long time now, Australia hasn't progressed much in terms of its perceived racist culture.

I'm not convinced that lack of help from other passengers is an indication that the whole crowd was racist though. More like sheep mentality where they are stuck in flight mode rather than fight mode, rather like a deer caught in the headlights.

[uber]

Asians - that is, East Asians - are generally soft targets for racism because there is a cultural aversion to making or perpetuating a scene.

The other factor to consider is that when something unexpected demands a reaction from a nearby group of people, whether it be to tell a racist to shut up or to help a person fallen on the street, individuals often do nothing in the expectation that someone else will step up. This inevitably means that nobody steps up to do anything, even though everyone is thinking "Someone should do something!"

Afterwards, of course, people who were in the situation will think "How awful, nobody did anything," and people hearing of it later will think "How awful, I would have done something in that situation."

And naturally, all the internet tough guys will say that they would have assaulted a man for giving offence.

[jellyshots]

And that's the point. Instead of assaulting someone, you probably could have diffused the issue by standing in front of the aggressor and singing our national anthem. I'm sure the other passengers would have sang along.

[uber]

And that's the point. Instead of assaulting someone, you probably could have diffused the issue by standing in front of the aggressor and singing our national anthem. I'm sure the other passengers would have sang along.

Now if only we had an abundance of such people in our society, rather than those who would sit there thinking that it's such a great idea that someone else on the bus will have already thought about it and is about to do it any minute now.

[Wayne]

Now if only we had an abundance of such people in our society, rather than those who would sit there thinking that it's such a great idea that someone else on the bus will have already thought about it and is about to do it any minute now.

Yes, I agree. Jellyshots' response is a brilliant way to diffuse sech a situation.

[Sextus]

Instead of assaulting someone, you probably could have diffused the issue by standing in front of the aggressor and singing our national anthem. I'm sure the other passengers would have sang along.

Yeah, but what happens if they all start singing Deustchland Uber Alles?? :surprise: :grimace: :burn:

[AHLUNGOR]

Yeah, let's sing waltzing Matilda !

Oh No, was it the Advance Australia Fair !!

May be just as easy to sing the Chinese one !!

義勇軍進行曲 ！

[uber]

Yeah, but what happens if they all start singing Deustchland Uber Alles?? :surprise: :grimace: :burn:

Well, the answer to that is simple!

"Über alles im der Welt!"

[Wayne]

not the point. Any song would do because it breaks the tension. Its like making a joke and lightening the situation, without seeming to take sides.

[Sextus]

Any song would do because it breaks the tension.

Even the one I mentioned from Nazi Germany? :grimace:

[jellyshots]

It's not as if that guy would have known the words. The thing is, he may have fought in one of the wars and has PTSD. Not condoning what he did but there's a more compassionate way to deal with the issue than beating the guy up. If he had gotten violent on the other hand, there are plenty of arm control techniques to calmly walk the guy off the bus without resorting to filming it and putting it up on the internet.

Actually, the filmer is lucky that Australian's aren't that litigious, otherwise she could be civilly sued for defamation (particularly if the guy has a mental disorder).

[Wayne]

thanks jellyshots, sensible comments are always welcome. I think Heidi's agenda is to highlight the lack of response from other passengers (including her own, it must be added) rather than the ranter himself.

[uber]

Even the one I mentioned from Nazi Germany? :grimace:

I hate to nitpick (that's a lie, I actually love nitpicking), but the Deutschlandlied predates the Nazis.

[Sextus]

thanks jellyshots, sensible comments are always welcome.

As distinct from...? :D I admit I'm not serious too much - it rescues me all the time! But you don't have to be overly serious to be empathic, and it is empathy that rescues from any scintila of racism.

I feel it also when I think of you having to trawl though all the fluff and lightweight minutia on the sex forums looking for a rare topic of substance to contribute to! My sympathies!

[Sextus]

I hate to nitpick (that's a lie, I actually love nitpicking), but the Deutschlandlied predates the Nazis.
Yes, but it bred them.

[Wayne]

As distinct from...? :D I admit I'm not serious too much - it rescues me all the time! But you don't have to be overly serious to be empathic, and it is empathy that rescues from any scintila of racism.

I feel it also when I think of you having to trawl though all the fluff and lightweight minutia on the sex forums looking for a rare topic of substance to contribute to! My sympathies!

I did not say serious, I said sensible; and in your confabulation you make my point. It is one matter to lighten the mood. That is what jellyshots is suggesting would have worked on the bus; and it is the same on forums, it is good to demonstrate the triviality of it all. However, it is another matter to mock and divert discussion.

[PhoBot]

Never understood racism or ethnic pride.

You had no say in what race you re born as, why be fanatic of your race and hate others because of their race?

Yup it's a birth lottery. Being born to parents who work on a Manila rubbish dump or to Swiss bankers is nothing to do with you. When I see Aussie bogan trash who squander their birth right of advantage and education I wish I was supreme ruler of the world, I'd deport them and replace them in 5 seconds with someone more worthy :)

[Sextus]

it is another matter to mock and divert discussion.

A chorus is good for perspective (an historical one in this case.) Shakespeare often had them in his plays, and if he didn't, then he relied on those in the cheap standing area of The Globe to provide an extemporised one!

[uber]

Never understood racism or ethnic pride.

You had no say in what race you re born as, why be fanatic of your race and hate others because of their race?

It's easier and quicker than getting to know someone and finding out actual flaws. It also saves you the inconvenience of learning that, except for a few (in relative terms, extremely minor) differences, the people you want to criticise are functionally no different to your mates or family members.

[Wayne]

A chorus is good for perspective (an historical one in this case.) Shakespeare often had them in his plays, and if he didn't, then he relied on those in the cheap standing area of The Globe to provide an extemporised one!

True. But Shakespeare's, and the Greek playwrights long before him, use is in the context of a theatre in which all present are aware of the device. Here, on internet forums, there is as yet no such consensus. It is impossible to raise one's voice above the rabble once a tangent has been struck. Perhaps that is the strength of these forums: that they insist of reduced attention span and triviality. I doubt it though.

[jellyshots]

I have to add that every time a foreigner is mentioned in the media, suddenly Australia is depicted as a racist nation. My experience is that it is wonderfully diverse and multi-cultural. Where else can you go to a bar mid week and talk to people from Ireland, France, England, South Africa, Italy, Germany, Russia, Czech Republic, Korea, Australia and Scotland all in one place? Better yet, you can punt most of those nationalities as well :amazing: <- why is this the amazing smiley, looks more like worried...

And to top it off, when I go to my local pub, there are literally 70% mixed couples. We can always breed the racism out if that was deemed to be an issue.

[Sextus]

(Excuse us Jellyshots while Wayne and I continue, behind our hands, our own little Shakespearian aside on the edge of the stage.)

There is more discipline for staying on topic than you may be giving the forum credit for Wayne. It may divert into little related eddies from time to time, but if the current of the topic has momentum, ie, fresh views, I've found it will regain it until it is more or less exhausted. But I don't think you should use my one line chorusing above as an example of a "not sensible" tangent, because it referred to nationalism and its attendant racism on a country wide scale. Humourous sure, but also historical and cautionary.

[carmen farquis]

i think that guy probably has a mental problem. the lezo on a current affair will try to make it look like it happens every time someone gets on a bus though

[AHLUNGOR]

One thing Australia is truly multi cultural can be reflected in the restaurant industry:

Chinese, Indian, Japanese, Korean, Thai, Malaysian, Vietnamese restaurants will probably counted for 50% of all restaurants in Australia excluding the fast food chains such as Macca, KFC, Pizza Hut etc.

May be the Aussie brothers in the forum can answer this, when was the last time you dine out in a restaurant from one of the cuisines mentioned above vs. the last time you dine out in an Aussie restaurant?? Meaning you have to also exclude any Italian, Greek, French, Spanish, Lebanese, African , American style (Hoggs Breathe, Tony Romas etc). Irish pubs etc

Seriously, if we love to eat their food, fuck their women and eat their womens pussies we can't be racist against them too right ??

Just my two cents

Cheers

[Sergaent Brody]

Like the old saying, evil wins when good men do nothing

Not a big man myself but I would have took it up to the guy

[Wayne]

(Excuse us Jellyshots while Wayne and I continue, behind our hands, our own little Shakespearian aside on the edge of the stage.)

There is more discipline for staying on topic than you may be giving the forum credit for Wayne. It may divert into little related eddies from time to time, but if the current of the topic has momentum, ie, fresh views, I've found it will regain it until it is more or less exhausted. But I don't think you should use my one line chorusing above as an example of a "not sensible" tangent, because it referred to nationalism and its attendant racism on a country wide scale. Humourous sure, but also historical and cautionary.

Fair enough. Reminds me of Johnson's famous quip: "patriotism is the last refuge of a scoundrel." Your German mates, and this bus ranter, are surely scoundrels.

[dannyboy]

It wouldn't matter where in the world you are you will find these types of lunatics on public transport, just look at youtube vids of the NYC subway, we have got nothing on them, in regards to racism it seems very rampant in asian countries too, I don't know how many times Thai or Chinese people have told me how much they hate Indians or Black people..

[jellyshots]

Which is such a double standard since some of the girls have bad breath too. Or they're too princessy...

[lonewolf77]

Its true,
Some asian girls won't touch asian men (small penis, bad breath)
And other asian girls wont touch white guys (rough sex big penis)
Most wont go near black guys and we know why lol
But thats not racist its choice

But it is racism, to assume based on race a negative or inferior quality in that race / person. Being dark skinned i have encountered racism my entire life from many different countries that i have lived in. I wont get into the other countries right now, but racism starts at home. Having lived in asian countries for a large part of my childhood, i used to get spat on and called all sorts of names, and really i dont think they knew any better but just had not been brought up right by their parents and / or the society they keep.

When i came to Australia, I experienced something similar as well especially since my parents seemed to have more cash / better house than the neighbours / our street. But what frustrates me even more is how other foreigners seem to come here and then bring racist attitudes as well. Its bad enough trying to educate the locals on racism, but even worse when people from overseas come here with the same attitude. Which is why i really take offence to certain shops or working girls refusing to see people based on race. It is racism, otherwise it should be a check on the individual for hygiene or size (if they were the ACTUAL reasons....) All races have bad and good hygiene and small and large cocks. So to make an excuse based on that..is just not valid but is an excuse for the underlying reason which is a racist viewpoint on that particular race.

Thing is working at the Uni, especially since the Politics department is part of my faculty, What i have learnt from a lot of academics and books being released recently is that the idea of Multi culturalism which was big in the 90s doesnt work. There is more and more literature on this, and i am not saying people cant get along. But everyone needs to have a certain ideal or viewpoint that they all agree on. There is a term for that which i have forgotten at the moment. But the idea is that people can keep their culture / religion etc, thats not a problem but it shouldnt interfere with the laws or culture of the home country and really we should be adopting the laws and culture of the home country as well. Not necessarily all the culture and lose any of our culture but sort of tie them together or keep them separate if they dont tie in together but at least try to fit in.

I came to this country for specific reasons, especially since I was leaving racist / violent countries behind, I dont want this country to change too much from what it was when i first came here. Why would i want to come to a country and then try to change it, why not go to a country that you like the way it is and live there...I mean change or improvement is good but not mass change or a total reversal of what the country was.

[jellyshots]

Far out bro Lonewolf... I'm kind of left speechless by that.

[ethanhunter]

lonewolf77 should give a lecture at the uni he works, topic about racism in Australia with evidence he was refused service by some WLs

[lonewolf77]

Haha hopefully not in a bad way. I get passionate when it comes to racism but don't want to hurt anyone in the process.

[lonewolf77]

Haha you think the vice chancellor will be ok with it? Racism is something that I have experienced my entire life. Every time I think it's better, I get proven wrong. It sucks but that's just how it is. My main qualm is I don't think it is right to accept it or let it happen just because we feel it will never change. Shouldn't we always hope for the betterment of society and ourselves. Think with any racism is that not only is the perpetrator at fault but really so are all the third party present that don't take action. The biggest atrocities of racism and genocide have taken place due to bystanders not standing up and fighting it. The naive parties at fault will never learn if they are allowed to get away with it time and time again. Which is why I take offence with the shops. They should be trying to educate and put a stop to racism. They could come up with new methods or policies that mean that the girl gets to inspect before deciding each way. Then if the girl without cause or reason makes racist choices then the store can question why. My point is I have been checked in the past by white or other wls for siZe or stds before commencing any action. Don't know why this has to be different for Asian wls.

I have gone out with many different. Races when it comes to girlfriends. I have has a Chinese girlfriend who used to tell me how lucky I am she is going out with me as she normally wouldn't go out with a black guy as they are dirty and don't clean that's why they have dark skinned. She told me that If I had scrubbed harder and washed more when I was younger I wouldn't be this colour.

I have gone out with a Thai girl who used to tell me that she would never have gone out with me for similar reasons except that I shower 4-6 times a day and so am the cleanest guy she has ever gone out with and that's why I am not as smelly as other dark skinned men. She used to call me a Thai word which she just told meant black colour.


Neither relationship lasted long. I know have a Thai girlfriend who is very nice to me and calls me chocolate man and says I am as sweet as chocolate. One day Mentioned the other Thai word the previous girl used to call me. Not realising what it meant. This girl was shocked. She said its a very bad word and I should never call myself that. I had no idea. She was so pissed off with the other girl. There are beautiful girls in all races. Some of my closest friends are Asian and will defend me to no end whenever they come across any racism while we are all travelling around Asia.

My point is we can't disregard any one race. We need to educate everyone and over time things will improve. If not then I say outlaw same race marriages :) . Mixed races are hardly racist

[AHLUNGOR]

lonewolf77 should give a lecture at the uni he works, topic about racism in Australia with evidence he was refused service by some WLs

Or may be he should study the Australian immigration policies in the 50's and 60's !!The white Australia policy to attract white European settlers to come to Australia !

And compare those policies with our current "boat people" crisis . Then perhaps you could put a few things into perspective !!

And last but not least, how about the white Australian government have been treating the original owners of this great country of ours in the past 200 years and finally said officially that "we are sorry" !

Now how's all that in comparison for not getting a fuck in a shop ??

I don't know the answer, I am just stating some simple facts !

Cheers

[lonewolf77]

Or may be he should study the Australian immigration policies in the 50's and 60's !!The white Australia policy to attract white European settlers to come to Australia !

And compare those policies with our current "boat people" crisis . Then perhaps you could put a few things into perspective !!

And last but not least, how about the white Australian government have been treating the original owners of this great country of ours in the past 200 years and finally said officially that "we are sorry" !

Now how's all that in comparison for not getting a fuck in a shop ??

I don't know the answer, I am just stating some simple facts !

Cheers

I am not a bit fan of queue jumpers...in whatever form especially when it also detracts from refugees in camps being pushed further down the list. There is a process for certain reasons.

True, Australian government did do that 200 years ago and so did the Americans and countless others...But yet we also condoned that by coming to AUSTRALIA (I doubt it was called Australia before the white australian government came here)., So if we didnt like and wanted to make a point on what took place 200 years ago, then perhaps the best point would have been made by refusing to come and live here. The minute we did, we were part of the process that began 200 years ago. True most people have learnt from the past and hopefully it wouldnt happen again but lets not just blame the "white" people and plead ignorance since we came to Australia knowing / actually more importantly we probably came to Australia because it was a White Australia government and all that entailed. The Laws, the education, job opportunities etc.

We have no idea where this country would be in comparison to the rest of the world if the english had not come down here. It may well be a third world country still.. Doesnt make what happened right but i am just saying i doubt any of us would be down here if it had not been conquered....

But fact of the matter is whether its in small forms or large forms, racism is not right and can be stopped. But in order for change we need people to stand up and fight with education and knowledge. Maybe today its about a fuck, but what are the ramifications of that 20 years from now... (besides the possibility of a mixed asian 20 year old hottie girl... ;) )

[wilisno]

But fact of the matter is whether its in small forms or large forms, racism is not right and can be stopped. But in order for change we need people to stand up and fight with education and knowledge. Maybe today its about a fuck, but what are the ramifications of that 20 years from now... (besides the possibility of a mixed asian 20 year old hottie girl... ;) )

In your post above you stated that you've had a Chinese girlfriend as well as a Thai girlfriend, that shows your racism theory is very weak.

I'm not saying racism doesn't exist, it exists everywhere, but it's a personal issue, an individual's preference. Once you know somebody in person, then the discrimination will fade or disappear, so it's not racism in the first place. You can't force everybody to think the way you think. People from the same race or nationality can discriminate against each other too, that includes all races, nothing is new here, and nothing will be changed. To get all upset because some WLs refuse to see you is just stressing yourself out, it won't change anything !

[lonewolf77]

In your post above you stated that you've had a Chinese girlfriend as well as a Thai girlfriend, that shows your racism theory is very weak.

I'm not saying racism doesn't exist, it exists everywhere, but it's a personal issue, an individual's preference. Once you know somebody in person, then the discrimination will fade or disappear, so it's not racism in the first place. You can't force everybody to think the way you think. People from the same race or nationality can discriminate against each other too, that includes all races, nothing is new here, and nothing will be changed. To get all upset because some WLs refuse to see you is just stressing yourself out, it won't change anything !

Unsure how my racism theory is so weak...I am pretty sure racism is alive and well in this world....

No I disagree, things wont change when people take the attitude that nothing will change, people wont change so why bother even trying. I believe racism is wrong and i will always fight against it, if you dont feel there is anything wrong with it, i suppose thats your choice. But by making that choice, you are in support of it, just be aware of that.

[wilisno]

Unsure how my racism theory is so weak...I am pretty sure racism is alive and well in this world....

No I disagree, things wont change when people take the attitude that nothing will change, people wont change so why bother even trying. I believe racism is wrong and i will always fight against it, if you dont feel there is anything wrong with it, i suppose thats your choice. But by making that choice, you are in support of it, just be aware of that.

Good luck to you, keep fight then !