WTF ??? ... boundaries reconfirmed

[Hedonisticfun]

WTF ... boundaries reconfirmed . Had been seeing a regulay WL caucausian who sporadically advertises on E&B , then started doing overnighters 4 so far including taking her out to dinner ( a girl*s gotta eat). Between the 2nd and 3rd sessions with some weeks in between was just passing through and she invited me out for a drink after a bit of the casual texting . Took up the offer and gave her a gift of a small box of chocolates just a reciprocating gesture . Also gave her $300 just to help out financially . After the last overnighter , again I was just passing through and she suggested we*d catch up again .. again another small gift for her but no cash donation . About an hour later I got an abrupt message saying where*s the $300 ? She said she couldn*t find it . I sheepily reply oops forgot . Like WTF ??? I felt like going off my nut but didn*t but overnighters are done ! and will only probably meet up again for a 1 hour seesion and pay her the balance . Wasn*t trying to take advantage of her but seems her time is money and strected the meetups to take advantage or got spoilt

[KiryuMajima]

Lesson learned, never assume any WL of any race will appreciate what you did for them. Never stretch your good will to test them out. Just pay their service repeatedly and talk, that actually will be enough.

[AUSSIEHOTGUY]

I should start a thread titled “Top 10 signs you may be a simp”..

[Costy]

I’d be annoyed too if the ATM I was using didn’t spit out the money…

[johncitizen]

You shouldve replied that you put the $300 inside the small gift and she mustve lost it

[MasterPaizuri]

I’d be annoyed too if the ATM I was using didn’t spit out the money…

This. 100%. This.

[GoldfishMan]

Lost me a bit in that story. That first time you paid "$300 with a box of chocolates", was that payment for an overnighter or it was just for the drink?

And the next "box of chocolates without the $300" (what's with the boxes of chocolates, bro? Is this punting Forest Gump style?), was that given after an overnighter or just drinks?

[Double_Adapter]

Lost me a bit in that story. That first time you paid "$300 with a box of chocolates", was that payment for an overnighter or it was just for the drink?

And the next "box of chocolates without the $300" (what's with the boxes of chocolates, bro? Is this punting Forest Gump style?), was that given after an overnighter or just drinks?

Maybe he meant to say a box of chocolates then followed by a choc top

[Hedonisticfun]

Lost me a bit in that story. That first time you paid "$300 with a box of chocolates", was that payment for an overnighter or it was just for the drink?

And the next "box of chocolates without the $300" (what's with the boxes of chocolates, bro? Is this punting Forest Gump style?), was that given after an overnighter or just drinks?

To clarify , just gave her a box of chocolates as a small gift .. doesn't matter who they are flowers and chocolates are always loved by women , $300 was just a bonus /added gift to help her out financially .. money isn't an issue with me.

[GoldfishMan]

To clarify , just gave her a box of chocolates as a small gift .. doesn't matter who they are flowers and chocolates are always loved by women , $300 was just a bonus /added gift to help her out financially .. money isn't an issue with me.

The main question was what did you do with her just before you gave her the $300 / chocolates / flowers, whatever. Did you have an overnighter, or did you just have drinks with her? What was that payment for?

[woodland]

thanks for sharing. sometimes we just need to be reminded to not have feelings for WLs

[Hedonisticfun]

The main question was what did you do with her just before you gave her the $300 / chocolates / flowers, whatever. Did you have an overnighter, or did you just have drinks with her? What was that payment for?

Was just a casual meetup as I was just passing through Sydney . Overnighter was about a week prior .. casual drinks at a pub .
Payment was a gift

[Hedonisticfun]

thanks for sharing. sometimes we just need to be reminded to not have feelings for WLs

Indeed Wood , sometimes a little compassion does go a long way though and not have be treated as cum bucket receptacles for punters

[trampslikeus55]

To clarify , just gave her a box of chocolates as a small gift .. doesn't matter who they are flowers and chocolates are always loved by women , $300 was just a bonus /added gift to help her out financially .. money isn't an issue with me.
Do yourself a favour and send her a message about meeting up again after Easter and see what her response is. And this time tell her that the $300 will still be missing again. See if she has discovered she needs you more than you need her 😎

[nosytt]

You paid a hooker for sex and didn't pay, end of story.

[johncitizen]

If you are young & handsome or you look like Brad Pitt or Chris Hemsworth, this is the only time any girl (whether WL/ML or not) will happily spend time with you for free.

If you are Old, Bald, Fat and Ugly. It will always be transactional. Her time will always be money and you will always have to pay for her time buddy.

I’ve never met Old, Bald, Fat or Ugly but gee I feel sorry for them.

[andrewv]

Any form of connection with a WL is a financial transaction for her. No freebies.
You are an income source.
Even if she "likes" you or enjoys your company.
When you become friendly (as in meeting for meals/drinks) in addition to the paid sex service, it is still a financial transaction.
The money payments are the "boundaries" -- to use a word from your subject/heading.




WTF ... boundaries reconfirmed . Had been seeing a regulay WL caucausian who sporadically advertises on E&B , then started doing overnighters 4 so far including taking her out to dinner ( a girl*s gotta eat). Between the 2nd and 3rd sessions with some weeks in between was just passing through and she invited me out for a drink after a bit of the casual texting . Took up the offer and gave her a gift of a small box of chocolates just a reciprocating gesture . Also gave her $300 just to help out financially . After the last overnighter , again I was just passing through and she suggested we*d catch up again .. again another small gift for her but no cash donation . About an hour later I got an abrupt message saying where*s the $300 ? She said she couldn*t find it . I sheepily reply oops forgot . Like WTF ??? I felt like going off my nut but didn*t but overnighters are done ! and will only probably meet up again for a 1 hour seesion and pay her the balance . Wasn*t trying to take advantage of her but seems her time is money and strected the meetups to take advantage or got spoilt

[AUSSIEHOTGUY]

Any form of connection with a WL is a financial transaction for her. No freebies.
You are an income source.
Even if she "likes" you or enjoys your company.
When you become friendly (as in meeting for meals/drinks) in addition to the paid sex service, it is still a financial transaction.
The money payments are the "boundaries" -- to use a word from your subject/heading.



The no freebies sums it up. It applies both ways.

[ironmonk]

Know your place in the (or her) world.

[Hedonisticfun]

Only a Very Low-Value Man would develop feelings for a WL

Haha .. and as I mentioned previously Mega , only a very low-value man would engage the services of a WL .. how's your ego now ? haha

[Scrambler]

Was the expectation that she was spending time with you for you ? I assume you paid for drinks etc ?

Why would you want to meet with her again? Unless the punt was that good

[Hedonisticfun]

Was the expectation that she was spending time with you for you ? I assume you paid for drinks etc ?

Why would you want to meet with her again? Unless the punt was that good

Actually , she paid for drinks and had previously given me a bathrobe for my birthday way before overnight sessions began .. plus sharing some of her personal family photos (parents, sisters and herself on holidays) .. just going to casually meetup in the future for an hour or so for sex then gradually taper off

[wjw007]

Know your place in the (or her) world.
Correct, but it’s so hard to know the place , always unclear in reality

[ironmonk]

Correct, but it’s so hard to know the place , always unclear in reality

Nothing wrong with accepting being a trick.

[Urbumcrack]

Actually , she paid for drinks and had previously given me a bathrobe for my birthday way before overnight sessions began .. plus sharing some of her personal family photos (parents, sisters and herself on holidays) .. just going to casually meetup in the future for an hour or so for sex then gradually taper off

This is exactly how I got pulled in by a certain ML. Small gestures here and there, opening up to me about her issues and telling me how comfortable she was with me during casual meetups and sex.

Don't fall for it. I bet my nuts that she's also doing it to other men. As soon as the gifts and money stops, so does the affection.
Women like this only see you as an atm and everyone else is just a utility to them because they are fundamentally broken. Sad but true.

[11Bravo]

Just killing some time here.

Like you said in your original post (bold for emphasis):

... but seems her time is money...As the ole cliche goes: "you're not paying her for sex, you're paying her for her time." What you do within that time is up to mutual agreement.

She's a professional, and like any professional, doctor, lawyer, plumber, electrician, they're all on the clock, billable hours. If they're talking to you, the clock's running. Sure, I've been invited out by an ML for lunch several times, but that was after we'd finished our business (she paid for my lunch but had to return to her shop for "next").

Not throwing rocks, but yes, you are rich. Others are not. So while $300 is just a simple gift to you... where I come from, in my tax bracket, that's a PAYMENT. As any punter knows, the first price you pay will be the same price you pay on all subsequent visits; no need for any discussions. So, if you "paid" once... Certainly very crass on her part, but you know, those "expectations"... Unless, of course, when you gave her the initial "gift" you made sure she understood it was a ONE TIME GIFT, and not the WG "gift", but a CIVILIAN gift. It's why I never "tip" as it's an OPTIONAL gratuity which can be mistaken for an increase in the service fee. And yes, I've given gifts (appropriate to MY tax bracket), a pineapple stuffed into a red envelope with a "Happy New Year" as I set it on the table, the "Happy New Year" sufficient to indicate it was a one-time gift (at least until next year).

And WADR, you can't have it both ways: it was a small gift, but then "I felt like going off my nut but didn*t" when it was reported missing the next time? Yes, I know, it's the idea, not the amount. To you. But to her... That's viewed as being shortchanged.

YOU KNOW all this. As I've often had to, a lesson RE-LEARNED.


Lesson learned, never assume any WL of any race will appreciate what you did for them. Never stretch your good will to test them out. Just pay their service repeatedly and talk, that actually will be enough.
You should find a better class of provider. IME, any number have appreciated small kindnesses. You just have to know how to look.


Correct, but it’s so hard to know the place , always unclear in reality
No, it's not. She's a person, treat her with respect. But it's a server/client business.


This is exactly how I got pulled in by a certain ML. Small gestures here and there, opening up to me about her issues and telling me how comfortable she was with me during casual meetups and sex.

Don't fall for it. I bet my nuts that she's also doing it to other men. As soon as the gifts and money stops, so does the affection.
Women like this only see you as an atm and everyone else is just a utility to them because they are fundamentally broken. Sad but true.
Like above, you need to find a better class of provider. She sells sex; "during casual meetups and sex", that's BUSINESS, payment is owed.

[Scrambler]

Actually , she paid for drinks and had previously given me a bathrobe for my birthday way before overnight sessions began .. plus sharing some of her personal family photos (parents, sisters and herself on holidays) .. just going to casually meetup in the future for an hour or so for sex then gradually taper off

I feel for ya , you caught feelings ?
Prob blurred the lines with gifts and her buying the drinks

[ColesBag]

If you are young & handsome or you look like Brad Pitt or Chris Hemsworth, this is the only time any girl (whether WL/ML or not) will happily spend time with you for free.

If you are Old, Bald, Fat and Ugly. It will always be transactional. Her time will always be money and you will always have to pay for her time buddy.


Thanks Vinnie for confirming.

[ColesBag]

This is exactly how I got pulled in by a certain ML. Small gestures here and there, opening up to me about her issues and telling me how comfortable she was with me during casual meetups and sex.

Don't fall for it. I bet my nuts that she's also doing it to other men. As soon as the gifts and money stops, so does the affection.
Women like this only see you as an atm and everyone else is just a utility to them because they are fundamentally broken. Sad but true.

As I may have said about the whole sugarbabe thing as well as W/L, if you want to know how she truly feels about you show up with no money.

As our original OP just found out.

Time is money, that how it works.

[Punter69123]

Bro was trying to hook hooker for sex, but least he know sthat she is coach of game that he is trying to play. You are fool if you think hookers gonna offer you free sex , if fisherman offers free fish how he gonna survive 😁? Simple as that , if she really really like you she will climax with you that's the most to expect from WL

[ergoproxy]

Thanks Vinnie for confirming.

lol good ole Vinnie 😂

[xxls7xx]

Bro was trying to hook hooker for sex, but least he know sthat she is coach of game that he is trying to play. You are fool if you think hookers gonna offer you free sex , if fisherman offers free fish how he gonna survive ��? Simple as that , if she really really like you she will climax with you that's the most to expect from WL

brah this made my fucking day

[Joz]

Just killing some time here.

Like you said in your original post (bold for emphasis):
As the ole cliche goes: "you're not paying her for sex, you're paying her for her time." What you do within that time is up to mutual agreement.

She's a professional, and like any professional, doctor, lawyer, plumber, electrician, they're all on the clock, billable hours. If they're talking to you, the clock's running. Sure, I've been invited out by an ML for lunch several times, but that was after we'd finished our business (she paid for my lunch but had to return to her shop for "next").

Not throwing rocks, but yes, you are rich. Others are not. So while $300 is just a simple gift to you... where I come from, in my tax bracket, that's a PAYMENT. As any punter knows, the first price you pay will be the same price you pay on all subsequent visits; no need for any discussions. So, if you "paid" once... Certainly very crass on her part, but you know, those "expectations"... Unless, of course, when you gave her the initial "gift" you made sure she understood it was a ONE TIME GIFT, and not the WG "gift", but a CIVILIAN gift. It's why I never "tip" as it's an OPTIONAL gratuity which can be mistaken for an increase in the service fee. And yes, I've given gifts (appropriate to MY tax bracket), a pineapple stuffed into a red envelope with a "Happy New Year" as I set it on the table, the "Happy New Year" sufficient to indicate it was a one-time gift (at least until next year).

And WADR, you can't have it both ways: it was a small gift, but then "I felt like going off my nut but didn*t" when it was reported missing the next time? Yes, I know, it's the idea, not the amount. To you. But to her... That's viewed as being shortchanged.

YOU KNOW all this. As I've often had to, a lesson RE-LEARNED.


You should find a better class of provider. IME, any number have appreciated small kindnesses. You just have to know how to look.


No, it's not. She's a person, treat her with respect. But it's a server/client business.


Like above, you need to find a better class of provider. She sells sex; "during casual meetups and sex", that's BUSINESS, payment is owed.


The class of provider must definitely be considered although I have experienced 2 girls who were just looking for a good time and chose to not accept payment... also helps if you're paying for the good time while you're with her

[endorphine7]

WTF ... boundaries reconfirmed . Had been seeing a regulay WL caucausian who sporadically advertises on E&B , then started doing overnighters 4 so far including taking her out to dinner ( a girl*s gotta eat). Between the 2nd and 3rd sessions with some weeks in between was just passing through and she invited me out for a drink after a bit of the casual texting . Took up the offer and gave her a gift of a small box of chocolates just a reciprocating gesture . Also gave her $300 just to help out financially . After the last overnighter , again I was just passing through and she suggested we*d catch up again .. again another small gift for her but no cash donation . About an hour later I got an abrupt message saying where*s the $300 ? She said she couldn*t find it . I sheepily reply oops forgot . Like WTF ??? I felt like going off my nut but didn*t but overnighters are done ! and will only probably meet up again for a 1 hour seesion and pay her the balance . Wasn*t trying to take advantage of her but seems her time is money and strected the meetups to take advantage or got spoilt

you paid her 300 for an overnighter and you are complaining ?!
from dinner to next morning ?!
get da fuck outta of here !!

[GoldfishMan]

you paid her 300 for an overnighter and you are complaining ?!
from dinner to next morning ?!
get da fuck outta of here !!

Nah bro, that's the confusing part and it's why I asked him a few times what was the $300 bucks for. His OP was kinda badly written.
What he meant to say was, he'd had overnighters with her and paid those separately.
Then one time he was passing by the area and asked her out for drinks / hanging out only. That was what the $300 bucks was for.
Second time, he did the same thing, was in town and asked her out just for drinks / hang out, she asked for the $300 again.

[Punter69123]

Bro share her profile , I will book and fuck her ass off then CIM for your sake , TOFTT 😁

[Double_Adapter]

I think 11Bravo's response has 'hit the clit in the head'. I'll try and unpack and skin this animal methodically.

OP PoV:
Overnighters = paid service, clear and transactional.
Drinks and hanging out = casual, friendly encounter, get to know the chick better
Gifts = optional goodwill eg $300, bathrobe, box of chocolates, flowers, pay for meals/drinks, medicine for the sick buffalo etc

Catching the Feels:
OP started mixing and confusing signals
- gifts
- personal gestures (chocolates, flowers, dinners)
- accepting her gifts (bathrobe, photos)
- casual texting
- casual passing through meet ups, and hanging out
- services started to feel more like a mutual or semi-personal relationship.

WL PoV:
Chicks behaviour showed:
- she still categorised the OP as a client with variable pricing scenarios.
- the friendliness is part of the experience she's selling, not a shift in relationship type aka situationship

Brutal Truth:
- OP blurred the lines.
- chick didn’t. She treated it like a business transaction the whole fucken time.

Fix:
- keep it strictly transactional (agree price upfront)
- stop any in-between hanging out, casual drinks, just passing through meet ups
- don't catch the feels for a sex worker it never ends well
- always have more than one chick in your clip. If one chick don't come through you have options and backups

[ColesBag]

- the friendliness is part of the experience she's selling, not a shift in relationship type aka situationship

Brutal Truth:

- chick didn’t. She treated it like a business transaction the whole fucken time.



This is the key here.

You're a client, in business you can be friendly to a client, everyone feels good about that however at the end of the day it's still business.

It's important to consider that you may not be the only one she's being friendly to in a private situation to and using blurred lines friendliness to leverage the ultimately business relationship. Women are very good at it and recognise it for what it all is, as a bloke you should to.