marrying WL/ML...?

[apokalypse]

curious if anyone here has actually ended up marrying one or had a serious relationship develop from being a long-time customer?

I was talking to one of the ladies I've been a regular with for a while, and she mentioned that this kind of work makes it easier to stay in Australia or find a path to residency through marriage. a lot of them seem quite eager to connect at first, but once they've moved on to that clients who provide support, your number gets ignored pretty quickly.

Just recently had a session with a girl gave a good fuck, but afterwards heard through the grapevine that she's already married some guy just to get her Australian residency sorted.

So genuinely curious what goes through the mind of guys who actually marry a ML/WL? What are they thinking?Do they know what they're getting into? Are they in love and ignoring the obvious, or do they go in clear-eyed about it being more of an arrangement? And does it ever actually work out long term?

Also wondering about the financial side how do you guys handle it when you're spending big on someone in this industry? Like the sugar daddy types dropping heavy money regularly on one girl. Does it ever lead anywhere real, or do you just end up out of pocket once she moves on?

If i have money being sugar daddy but not married...why married these ladies.

[EricShawn]

If my memory serves me correctly. One of the active members on here is in a relationship with a WL (married unsure?). He might be be able shed some light on this topic.

[DDT]

You can get pay for this also. It's can be around 10.000 dollars its what my favourite told me. For a Australian girl getting married with a Chinese guy, can be around 30.000 dollars

[Rainyex28]

An asian mature ML working at a massage parlor in the inner west married a punter, I dont know if she's still working there now.

She said he was a punter at one point and is agreeable for her to still work as an ML as they have bills to pay. So the rules are that she cant kiss anyone and CBJ/FS with punters she knew before she got married. New punters get HJs only. Apparently he's not allowed to go to see any WL/ML's

Such a strange setup, guy must definitely be a cuck

Whats even more strange was that facebook was suggesting I add her as a friend. We only had each other on wechat so maybe wechat sells data to facebook??

[HiredGoon]

You can get pay for this also. It's can be around 10.000 dollars its what my favourite told me. For a Australian girl getting married with a Chinese guy, can be around 30.000 dollars

I got offered 80k by a Chinese wl about 10 years ago. Still not worth it.

[AUSSIEHOTGUY]

another simp thread.

[themort]

You can get pay for this also. It's can be around 10.000 dollars its what my favourite told me. For a Australian girl getting married with a Chinese guy, can be around 30.000 dollars

$10k?

Going rate is $50k-$80k

[TheFullMonty]

Speaking to a Thai girl I know she’s say the rate is anyway between $90,000 to $120,000 often with fair bit paid upfront

[EricShawn]

Speaking to a Thai girl I know she’s say the rate is anyway between $90,000 to $120,000 often with fair bit paid upfront

I heard the same figures also, if anything its probably gone up (inflation).

[apokalypse]

rate is above $100k but only for desperate who need money really

[Double_Adapter]

Numbers and figures getting tossed around like a fucken rate card in a RnT or FS joint.

Next thing some bloke will whip up a definitive rate card for visa/PR....$120k for 2yrs, $50k for 6mths subject to chicks age/looks and whether she's a WL or ML...and a fucken YMMV disclaimer will be slapped at the end to make it sound legit.

[Wank_Somemore]

I once jokingly quoted $100k to a thai girl. She wasn't joking and willing to pay it.

And don't forget the fees they have to pay to Immigration which I'm sure is upwards of 10k now. She'll need to pay an agent if she decides not do her own paperwork. Plus bits here and there for document translation, printing, scanning, police checks etc

If the guy has assets, she'll need to see a solicitor as well. Because if the guy is smart, he'll have a BFA in place. This is when you don't want to BBFS because a kid will nullify the BFA.

[Riff888]

It's over $130k AUD now. Usually paid in installments or whatever deal you make, like them paying rent. They pay the $9k for the 820/801 visa. Living with them is optional but better for success in visa application. You have to wait 2 years from lodgement of 820 to apply for 801, depending if 820 TR is granted. You don't need agents, easy for anyone who can read and fill in forms, plus the help of LLMs. Don't need to live with them for 12 months, just register the relationship.
Done it twice, reached my limit. Paid off my C43 😅

[keebab]

It's over $130k AUD now. Usually paid in installments or whatever deal you make, like them paying rent. They pay the $9k for the 820/801 visa. Living with them is optional but better for success in visa application. You have to wait 2 years from lodgement of 820 to apply for 801, depending if 820 TR is granted. You don't need agents, easy for anyone who can read and fill in forms, plus the help of LLMs. Don't need to live with them for 12 months, just register the relationship.
Done it twice, reached my limit. Paid off my C43 😅

There's a limit? Why not start a boarding house and farm your dick out to the highest bidders.

[Riff888]

Just to add;
If you do decide to live together, live at her place or a rented place, so she can't claim anything.
Put your assets in your mother's name.
Watch out for false DV claims against you.
They could take a percentage of your super if they are nasty.

[Double_Adapter]

Thanks for the insights, bro. Time to unpack this for the rest.

Option 1: Paying for a WL

Cost: Immediate, clear, usually one-off. $300 upfront gets you an hour, all-inclusive.
Legal/Financial exposure: Minimal. Pay, get service, leave. No visa drama, no property fights. Pay-Fuck-Leave. Couldn’t be simpler.
Emotional/commitment risk: Almost zero; unless you’re one of those blokes who fall in love with the chick. That story's best left for another day.
Time investment: Hours, maybe a day. Done.
Complications: None, as long as you don't catch the feels or try to negotiate like it's a fucken mortgage.

Option 2: Marrying WL for PR

Cost: ~$130k AUD minimum, installments possible, includes $9k visa fees. Two-year minimum commitment required.
Legal/Financial exposure: High. Cohabitation management, potential false DV claims, risk of superannuation loss, careful asset protection (hint: mother's name or trusts).
Emotional/commitment risk: High. Must appear real eg a few staged photos with friends, a holiday or two, and endless form-filling.
Time investment: Years. 820 visa first, then 801 after 2 years. Continuous paperwork, vigilance required.
Complications: Fraud risk, partner manipulation, family law nightmares. Even simple filings can ruin your life if you slip.

Bottom line, punter-to-punter:

Paying a sex worker: Fast, cheap, low-risk, low headache. You know what you're getting, no surprises (ie unless you source your WLs from E&B or Locanto).
Marrying for PR: Slow, expensive, high-risk, high-maintenance. One misstep and you could lose money, time, or freedom.

[Doink]

I got offered 80k by a Chinese wl about 10 years ago. Still not worth it.

I was offered 100k about a year ago. Was told that I didn't have to do anything.

I've helped some friends secure (legit) partner visas for their (now) wives. It's very involved and not easy.

I declined.

[massageangel]

You can get pay for this also. It's can be around 10.000 dollars its what my favourite told me. For a Australian girl getting married with a Chinese guy, can be around 30.000 dollars

If you're dumb enough to accept that sort of money......

Price between 100,000 200,000 and not uncommon

But guess what you can also go to court get a fine Visa revoked

[Climax598]

I was asked to be a partner to an ML. She have an apartment and citizen. All she want was to have a partner. I said no can't do it. Too difficult

[Riff888]

There's a limit? Why not start a boarding house and farm your dick out to the highest bidders.
Two partner sponsorships is all you get now. They put this limit on awhile ago, I guess people were rorting the system.

[Riff888]

Thanks for the insights, bro. Time to unpack this for the rest.

Option 1: Paying for a WL

Cost: Immediate, clear, usually one-off. $300 upfront gets you an hour, all-inclusive.
Legal/Financial exposure: Minimal. Pay, get service, leave. No visa drama, no property fights. Pay-Fuck-Leave. Couldn’t be simpler.
Emotional/commitment risk: Almost zero; unless you’re one of those blokes who fall in love with the chick. That story's best left for another day.
Time investment: Hours, maybe a day. Done.
Complications: None, as long as you don't catch the feels or try to negotiate like it's a fucken mortgage.

Option 2: Marrying WL for PR

Cost: ~$130k AUD minimum, installments possible, includes $9k visa fees. Two-year minimum commitment required.
Legal/Financial exposure: High. Cohabitation management, potential false DV claims, risk of superannuation loss, careful asset protection (hint: mother's name or trusts).
Emotional/commitment risk: High. Must appear real eg a few staged photos with friends, a holiday or two, and endless form-filling.
Time investment: Years. 820 visa first, then 801 after 2 years. Continuous paperwork, vigilance required.
Complications: Fraud risk, partner manipulation, family law nightmares. Even simple filings can ruin your life if you slip.

Bottom line, punter-to-punter:

Paying a sex worker: Fast, cheap, low-risk, low headache. You know what you're getting, no surprises (ie unless you source your WLs from E&B or Locanto).
Marrying for PR: Slow, expensive, high-risk, high-maintenance. One misstep and you could lose money, time, or freedom.
Hahahaha is that a Copilot summary?

Great summary, plus nothing will stop you from marrying a WL while punting at the same time.

[massageangel]

BTW

Shifting asset into your mothers name isn't gonna help - Centrelink ATO they scrutinise Sam goes by arsehole fathers to try and ignore payments to their children

Living or renting elsewhere than your own apartment. That ain't gonna help either.

As for the OP lame

[EYANH]

You can get pay for this also. It's can be around 10.000 dollars its what my favourite told me. For a Australian girl getting married with a Chinese guy, can be around 30.000 dollars

Lol that prices are for 10-15 years ago. Now people quote from $100-180k depending on few factors like gender, employed or not, age, etc.

[alphaomega8384]

Pre-Covid, a wl subtly mentioned if I would be interested in such an arrangement with her offering $100k.. I said no thank you. But girls don’t mind paying since it’s a near guaranteed pathway to their permanent residency.

From what she said, there are no obligations. Don’t even have to stay together, but occasionally go to functions, holidays together to gather photos evidences for her to submit to the immigration lawyer. I think she said the whole cost with immigration process is nearly $10k. I did give it a slight thought but didn’t have the risk appetite to proceed with it. She is a decent girl, but still I didn’t think risk reward was in my favour. Probably would have been ok, but still wasn’t comfortable.

[Riff888]

You don't have to live together but you need to show you do. It gives the assessment a better chance. They ask for financial evidence like joint accounts. Both names on the lease agreement is a big win, as well as rental receipts with both names.
Definitely photos with her family and your family. So going overseas to meet her family is a big win.
Social media with you both as well.
Form 888 of 2 witnesses of your relationship is a must.

[Riff888]

BTW

Shifting asset into your mothers name isn't gonna help - Centrelink ATO they scrutinise Sam goes by arsehole fathers to try and ignore payments to their children

Living or renting elsewhere than your own apartment. That ain't gonna help either.

As for the OP lame
It's pretty hard for the courts to consider property under your parent's name in a separation. Even if it's an inheritance. As long as it was settled before the relationship and you didn't contribute to the mortgage or maintenance of the property with a joint account.
If she can prove she helped pay for the property, that's a different story.
My ex wife tried going after my house with mum's name on it. But I kept everything separate, so she didn't get that house. Lost the house we were living in though.
They can't touch the property if your parents are still living there.

[massageangel]

That' requires planning and intention in advance of any potential financial arrangement for marriage.

The courts have been known and will look respectively at the movement of assets at least up to 12 months

Putting things in mums name well if it doesn't muck up their lives financially go ahead

However, I don't think the average Joe in this thread is thinking strategically

[Double_Adapter]

However, I don't think the average Joe in this thread is thinking strategically

Quote of the day....

[ColesBag]

Don't do it.

Imagine the "how was your day ? " conversation for starters.

[Riff888]

Don't do it.

Imagine the "how was your day ? " conversation for starters.
Or reading reviews of your wife on this forum will be a test of character.

[Riff888]

That' requires planning and intention in advance of any potential financial arrangement for marriage.

The courts have been known and will look respectively at the movement of assets at least up to 12 months

Putting things in mums name well if it doesn't muck up their lives financially go ahead

However, I don't think the average Joe in this thread is thinking strategically
Yes very good point.
It's something you can't get into straight away.
I would suggest not doing this with a WL/ML as well.

[PanZhanle]

Not great at lying or making up a fake relationship so it's a no for me. The risk is too big even for $150k. They would find out instantly mine is scam marriage lol

[Puntonthego]

The punishment is not worth the money, $90k-$130k is not worth the 3 years and if you get caught fraud the system, it could be a bigger fine, prison and deportation for the girl. Not worth the headache and stress in my opinion.

[crum]

I know a few guys who have done this for thai ML's, none of them have gone badly, but maybe they got lucky.

The girls were compliant and one of them 'fell in love' and stayed with him and they are still together today.

Have heard some horror stories with it being done for some chinese ML's.

If I was to do this I'd be looking at shifting all my assets into my parents name or a trust that im not the beneficiary of before attempting anything like this.

[justincase]

Next you’re paying for the sick buffalo.

[Dweebles]

A work friend of mine some years ago was on work secondment in China and met this beautiful woman half his age and they "fell in love" with each other. He met her family, married her with their blessing and brought her back to live in OZ happily ever after.

They applied for permanent residency for her, and it took a couple of years while they lived in his house, apparently verily happily married according to him as he was telling me as this evolved.

When she finally got the PR granted she then suddenly complained to the police that he was violent and abusive towards her (in my view he was a gentle soul, but you never know someone I guess) so she applied for a restraining order against him preventing him from even entering his own house. Then she divorced him, taking half the house value and contents with her, drained their joint bank accounts and credit cards maxed out, and got half his substantial superannuation too.

I had tried to caution him from the outset but he was way too besmitten by her charms and wouldn't listen. Now he's besides himself with despair.

So, don't do it. It's not worth it.


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[ergoproxy]

A work friend of mine some years ago was on work secondment in China and met this beautiful woman half his age and they "fell in love" with each other. He met her family, married her with their blessing and brought her back to live in OZ happily ever after.

They applied for permanent residency for her, and it took a couple of years while they lived in his house, apparently verily happily married according to him as he was telling me as this evolved.

When she finally got the PR granted she then suddenly complained to the police that he was violent and abusive towards her (in my view he was a gentle soul, but you never know someone I guess) so she applied for a restraining order against him preventing him from even entering his own house. Then she divorced him, taking half the house value and contents with her, drained their joint bank accounts and credit cards maxed out, and got half his substantial superannuation too.

I had tried to caution him from the outset but he was way too besmitten by her charms and wouldn't listen. Now he's besides himself with despair.

So, don't do it. It's not worth it.


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Yikes. I’ve heard of similar stories but not to this extent!

[Linza Giz]

A work friend of mine some years ago was on work secondment in China and met this beautiful woman half his age and they "fell in love" with each other. He met her family, married her with their blessing and brought her back to live in OZ happily ever after.

They applied for permanent residency for her, and it took a couple of years while they lived in his house, apparently verily happily married according to him as he was telling me as this evolved.

When she finally got the PR granted she then suddenly complained to the police that he was violent and abusive towards her (in my view he was a gentle soul, but you never know someone I guess) so she applied for a restraining order against him preventing him from even entering his own house. Then she divorced him, taking half the house value and contents with her, drained their joint bank accounts and credit cards maxed out, and got half his substantial superannuation too.

I had tried to caution him from the outset but he was way too besmitten by her charms and wouldn't listen. Now he's besides himself with despair.

So, don't do it. It's not worth it.


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This happened to a good friend of mine. The Chinese woman had a child also from a previous relationship and my mate took then both in and he became a good step dad to the child.... As soon as the papers came in she left him and never spoke to him again , divorced taking more than 50 percent of the assets and money claiming he had adopted the child and also needed to provide for them both since he brought them here. Courts agreed.... Fmd

[themort]

For the guys claiming a woman marries a guy and takes half of his assets, both of these stories are made up.

A wife can't take 50% of assets like that - they are only due 50% of the GROWTH in assets during the time the COUPLE WAS TOGETHER.

If there's no children involved there will be no spousal maintenance either.

the false DV report is one that at one point was common as soon as the spouse visa was applied for, they would claim DV and nobody ever validates it, and they still get the visa, but the moving in, taking the house immediately, flat out untrue.

[bewitched]

For the guys claiming a woman marries a guy and takes half of his assets, both of these stories are made up.

A wife can't take 50% of assets like that - they are only due 50% of the GROWTH in assets during the time the COUPLE WAS TOGETHER.

If there's no children involved there will be no spousal maintenance either.

the false DV report is one that at one point was common as soon as the spouse visa was applied for, they would claim DV and nobody ever validates it, and they still get the visa, but the moving in, taking the house immediately, flat out untrue.

It would seem you haven't been through a divorce/property settlement. It's not that simple as many other factors can an do come into play.

[Obama]

The reality is so many girls embark on WL ML life due to circumstances and move on when circumstances change so there are no doubt a lot of guys don't realize their partners past.

But who cares. It's just a point in time.

[justincase]

Paying for sex only buys you time not love.

[Cassius1]

People are complicated. Relationships are complicated. Don’t pretend to understand more than you do. Live and let live.

[GoldfishMan]

For the guys claiming a woman marries a guy and takes half of his assets, both of these stories are made up.

A wife can't take 50% of assets like that - they are only due 50% of the GROWTH in assets during the time the COUPLE WAS TOGETHER.

If there's no children involved there will be no spousal maintenance either.

the false DV report is one that at one point was common as soon as the spouse visa was applied for, they would claim DV and nobody ever validates it, and they still get the visa, but the moving in, taking the house immediately, flat out untrue.

Finally someone talks some sense here. Thank you very much themort!

[GoldfishMan]

It would seem you haven't been through a divorce/property settlement. It's not that simple as many other factors can an do come into play.

Nope, it is that simple. Been there done that. What "other factors" are you talking about?

[bewitched]

Nope, it is that simple. Been there done that. What "other factors" are you talking about?

I can tell you a 4 year property settlement battle wasn't simple for me.

A couple of "other factors" amongst many included deeming I possessed undeclared assets that really didn't exist but were deemed to exist as I had lived overseas for a few years and supposedly had untold opportunity to squirrel $s away and a 2nd was positioning an adult child as a dependent of my ex-wife that had to be factored in which was really highly questionable but was based on supportive medical input that had to be challenged and discounted.

This was only some if it and it took time and money not to mention the mental toll!

There's often a lot more to it than a quick aggregate and divide by 2.

[Dweebles]

For the guys claiming a woman marries a guy and takes half of his assets, both of these stories are made up.

A wife can't take 50% of assets like that - they are only due 50% of the GROWTH in assets during the time the COUPLE WAS TOGETHER.

If there's no children involved there will be no spousal maintenance either.

the false DV report is one that at one point was common as soon as the spouse visa was applied for, they would claim DV and nobody ever validates it, and they still get the visa, but the moving in, taking the house immediately, flat out untrue.Actually, you do yourself a disservice. It's true as I lived through it with him as a friend at work, then a sympathetic shoulder to cry on.. as for dividing up the assets, the courts look not only at the marriage contribution.. she contributed nothing if material value and he was told he was lucky she didn't get the rest. YMMV in court, it's up to the facts, the proof, and the judge. Not the internet.

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[andrewv]

They now ask living arrangements/daily habits questions, individually. They ask both the same questions to see if they line up or lie, Including:
1. which side of the bed do you sleep on?
2. which of you tends to do most of the washing/ironing/taking out the rubbish
3. what is his/her favourite xxxx and xxx?
4. what did you do on her/his birthday last year?
5. what are the names of his/her best friend(s) and what do they do for a living?

Posed photos are no longer sufficient. The interview questions are the new game.

[GoldfishMan]

I can tell you a 4 year property settlement battle wasn't simple for me.

A couple of "other factors" amongst many included deeming I possessed undeclared assets that really didn't exist but were deemed to exist as I had lived overseas for a few years and supposedly had untold opportunity to squirrel $s away and a 2nd was positioning an adult child as a dependent of my ex-wife that had to be factored in which was really highly questionable but was based on supportive medical input that had to be challenged and discounted.

This was only some if it and it took time and money not to mention the mental toll!

There's often a lot more to it than a quick aggregate and divide by 2.

And for how long were you married to her, may I ask?

[AUSSIEHOTGUY]

These guys must be Very Low-Value Men.

I mean, why don't you just all get a normal girl and make her your wife. Rather than trying to wife up a ML/WL....


Because no normal girl would have these losers. They're emotional weak men who have no right to call themselves punters.

[ColesBag]

They now ask living arrangements/daily habits questions, individually. They ask both the same questions to see if they line up or lie, Including:
1. which side of the bed do you sleep on?
2. which of you tends to do most of the washing/ironing/taking out the rubbish
3. what is his/her favourite xxxx and xxx?
4. what did you do on her/his birthday last year?
5. what are the names of his/her best friend(s) and what do they do for a living?

Posed photos are no longer sufficient. The interview questions are the new game.

When I got asked about 5 years ago to enter into this arrangement ( no fucking way I was going to do it anyway ) by a European W/L I already knew at that point that they ( gov't ) were going hard on the "marriage " via stuff like this. I've been amused the past few years on forums where they say " how the fuck would they know anyway ? ". They know. Caveat Emptor.

[jsw1888]

A work friend of mine some years ago was on work secondment in China and met this beautiful woman half his age and they "fell in love" with each other. He met her family, married her with their blessing and brought her back to live in OZ happily ever after.

They applied for permanent residency for her, and it took a couple of years while they lived in his house, apparently verily happily married according to him as he was telling me as this evolved.

When she finally got the PR granted she then suddenly complained to the police that he was violent and abusive towards her (in my view he was a gentle soul, but you never know someone I guess) so she applied for a restraining order against him preventing him from even entering his own house. Then she divorced him, taking half the house value and contents with her, drained their joint bank accounts and credit cards maxed out, and got half his substantial superannuation too.

I had tried to caution him from the outset but he was way too besmitten by her charms and wouldn't listen. Now he's besides himself with despair.

So, don't do it. It's not worth it.


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Was she at least hot? And could cook?