Massage Fuck vs FS Fuck...

[bistro]

Lately, ive been a fans of asking extra service (sex) with ML, rather than going to FS shops.

I think it feels more challenging eventhough you know that when an ML listed as Open Minded and you book for 45 minutes or more, you get 100% chance to fuck them haha...

Now, im not too sure what is allowed and what is not allowed in massage environment, so i always let the WL lead us ...

Im wondering if we already pay extra, should we allow to take charge, including 69, DATY, fingering, etc or is it off the table, and we can only follow the direction that the WL direct us to?

[Staggerlee71]

The ML’s I’ve been to tell you straight up FS is on.

[KakeyA]

Yes, that is true and I tend to just ask what is on the cards so that both parties set our expectations and boundaries so that you know how things will transpire and avoid missed expectations.

It’s a transaction, you say what you want, she the gets the right to set her boundaries and prices and you then get to decide if you agree.

Most venues quote ladies that do FS as ‘open minded’ so if that is what you’re after choose an open minded ML

[massageangel]

Lately, ive been a fans of asking extra service (sex) with ML, rather than going to FS shops.

I think it feels more challenging eventhough you know that when an ML listed as Open Minded and you book for 45 minutes or more, you get 100% chance to fuck them haha...

Now, im not too sure what is allowed and what is not allowed in massage environment, so i always let the WL lead us ...

Im wondering if we already pay extra, should we allow to take charge, including 69, DATY, fingering, etc or is it off the table, and we can only follow the direction that the WL direct us to?

You don't come asking a bunch of guys what's on the cards or table with an ala carte menu on your mind... you respectfully talk with woman and if they say no, you don't do it

[jaquedm1307]

You don't come asking a bunch of guys what's on the cards or table with an ala carte menu on your mind... you respectfully talk with woman and if they say no, you don't do it

100% agree with this - it's between you and the ML

I see regulars ML who do FS but no DATY or no BJ - other extras you may get or maybe not

Many MLs prefer no fingering so don't assume if they yes to FS then it's an all inclusive

This varies from ML to ML and also from session to session - what you get one visit you might not get the next - they are free agents who pick and choose what they want to do on what day and at what cost and with who.

If you read someone in the forum they are getting xyz from an ML then don't assume you will also get it. YMMV is the true phrase

You should duly respect them for that

[GoldfishMan]

100% agree with this - it's between you and the ML

I see regulars ML who do FS but no DATY or no BJ - other extras you may get or maybe not

Many MLs prefer no fingering so don't assume if they yes to FS then it's an all inclusive

This varies from ML to ML and also from session to session - what you get one visit you might not get the next - they are free agents who pick and choose what they want to do on what day and at what cost and with who.

If you read someone in the forum they are getting xyz from an ML then don't assume you will also get it. YMMV is the true phrase

You should duly respect them for that

I make it a point never to write anything in the forum about getting FS from an ML that is not advertised as "open minded". That's just a dick move.

[11Bravo]

You don't come asking a bunch of guys what's on the cards or table with an ala carte menu on your mind... you respectfully talk with woman and if they say no, you don't do it


100% agree with this - it's between you and the ML

I see regulars ML who do FS but no DATY or no BJ - other extras you may get or maybe not

Many MLs prefer no fingering so don't assume if they yes to FS then it's an all inclusive

This varies from ML to ML and also from session to session - what you get one visit you might not get the next - they are free agents who pick and choose what they want to do on what day and at what cost and with who.

If you read someone in the forum they are getting xyz from an ML then don't assume you will also get it. YMMV is the true phrase

You should duly respect them for that
Agree with both. For me, 2 sides, same coin. Just because jaquedm130 or massageangel find a girl attractive, doesn't mean I will and so I have a right to NOT pick her. She can't tell me that jaquedm130 or massageangel picked her so I must. However, it seems a number here think that if an MP girl provides a service to jaquedm130 or massageangel then she MUST provide it to them. While I certainly appreciate and respect AR's, good or bad, it's simply ONE data point that may or may not apply to me (unless, of course, I wrote the AR).

I simply walk in and ask what she can offer ME and how much. Because I know what I'm interested in with her and how much I'm willing to pay. I view it simply as a mutual job interview. I assume nothing. If we agree, fantastic. If not, then not. As I often say: Regardless, now I KNOW what her experience is like with ME.

End of Story.

[asnabc]

Lately, ive been a fans of asking extra service (sex) with ML, rather than going to FS shops.

I agree with the consensus. I let the ML lead, it is between you and the ML only. If you have the feeling that FS could be on the table, just ask but be polite when the service is declined.

I generally ask ML's for extra services for the convenience because the good quality FS shops are a bit further away.

[11Bravo]

I agree with the consensus. I let the ML lead, it is between you and the ML only. If you have the feeling that FS could be on the table, just ask but be polite when the service is declined.

I generally ask ML's for extra services for the convenience because the good quality FS shops are a bit further away.

I prefer ML's just for the YMMV. Unlike the FS salons, it's her choice of what she provides, the POTENTIAL she's not banging everyone. Besides, I'm selfish; I only care about me. For you (2nd person plural), not so much. :bad_egg:

[asnabc]

I prefer ML's just for the YMMV. Unlike the FS salons, it's her choice of what she provides, the POTENTIAL she's not banging everyone. Besides, I'm selfish; I only care about me. For you (2nd person plural), not so much. :bad_egg:

Totally agree. I am selfish too haha

I prefer when it is YMMV as the ML won't provide FS to everyone. I perceive ML's as more 'cleaner' than WL's. I always keep it quiet but I'm sure in some cases, I've gotten a bit more than some of the punters here :)

[11Bravo]

I prefer when it is YMMV as the ML won't provide FS to everyone. I always keep it quiet but I'm sure in some cases, I've gotten a bit more than some of the punters here :)
Myself, I'm sure in some cases I've gotten more, and in others, for sure, less. But now I know what she'll give me, and, for me, that is SO MUCH BETTER than wondering (ah, that cute PRC BFL, mini and knee high boots, a pineapple difference was, stupidly on my part, too high a hurdle; 20 years later, still wondering). Like fishing, it's the ones that got away... Cheers

[Double_Adapter]

A great post bro.

The mystery of walking into an RnT and jagging a root is pretty much dead these days. Most if not all MLs are offering it now, so the thrill, the anticipation, the mistery, the “will it happen?” buzz… is long gone.

In fact the whole fucken sex services landscape has shifted for both MLs and WLs. To stay competitive
and stand out from MLs, a lot of FS chicks have transitioned to GFE, PSE, doubles, gangbangs, and raw services. The market has basically gone from a "special" and "open minded” menu system to a "full deluxe" menu.

If it's a thrill you're chasing, the real challenge and final boss battle is walking into one of those legit Westfield massage joints and scoring a root with a ML. I've heard of blokes getting tugs but a root?...now that’s next level shit.

[massageangel]

The elite level dick move.

when you text a ML/WL or book and show AR's/comments and start gnashing and whinnying ; i'm special t and why you are not getting what you deserve.... well clearly you are

You only end up sounding and looking like a lame, welsh pit pony with black lung

coercion by any means is highly likely to not bring you closer to what you think you are entitled.. ,total lack of care and respect and can be construed as forced if you manage to ...get it

But clearly you don't ..

[madness123]

I make it a point never to write anything in the forum about getting FS from an ML that is not advertised as "open minded". That's just a dick move.

This is true, some of them can get into trouble for doing you the favour in the room. There are establishments that are strict and get intel from punters here. So look after your providers

[TheFullMonty]

Although I’m sure a lot of the time the ML don’t want you posting as it’s a way to keep their ‘exclusivity’ prices up - please don’t tell anyone as I only do you with you as I really like you 😂😂😂 . You can all fill in the words they say to you as we’ve all heard before & know you’re only exclusive to them whilst you’re with them at that point in time 😂😂

[GoldfishMan]

Although I’m sure a lot of the time the ML don’t want you posting as it’s a way to keep their ‘exclusivity’ prices up - please don’t tell anyone as I only do you with you as I really like you 😂😂😂 . You can all fill in the words they say to you as we’ve all heard before & know you’re only exclusive to them whilst you’re with them at that point in time 😂😂

Not nearly as grandiose as you think bro. I do it for self-preservation. She could stop doing FS to everyone including myself because someone blabbed about it on the forum and she got too many unsolicited requests.

If it was because other punters couldn't keep their mouths shut, that's OK cos it was out of my control. But doing it myself? Why would I want to burn my own bridge? Just to get badges on this forum? Lolll...

[11Bravo]

Although I’m sure a lot of the time the ML don’t want you posting as it’s a way to keep their ‘exclusivity’ prices up - please don’t tell anyone as I only do you with you as I really like you 😂😂😂 . You can all fill in the words they say to you as we’ve all heard before & know you’re only exclusive to them whilst you’re with them at that point in time 😂😂
Maybe for some, but I've been around for awhile, and I'm not saying I've never heard it, only that if I had, I can't remember hearing it. Maybe because I don't seem gullible, naive, and they know I don't care what they do elsewhere but only what they do with me. And I know the price I'm willing to pay for that. I understand that anyone can read this forum, at least the public areas, and lurkers... who knows what their attitude is (you're known by your posts). And yes, I do care. Whenever I've asked if I can share her contact with a friend, the answer has ALWAYS been, "Is your friend like you? If yes, then yes. If no, no." Me, I like simple.

IME, it's more along the lines of GoldfishMan.


Not nearly as grandiose as you think bro. I do it for self-preservation. She could stop doing FS to everyone including myself because someone blabbed about it on the forum and she got too many unsolicited requests.

If it was because other punters couldn't keep their mouths shut, that's OK cos it was out of my control. But doing it myself? Why would I want to burn my own bridge? Just to get badges on this forum? Lolll...

I think yours is much more likely, at least for me, than TheFullMonty. I heard a lot more of the experiences with the entitled's, the "What do you mean no? I know you do it with others, you have to do it with me." And add to that some who say, "And I never pay retail, I ALWAYS get a discount." Now, SYD is relatively safe; other shores not so much. Still, even here, where providers can take care of themselves with shops a buffer, who wants to make someone's life more difficult? I can say I was once asked by a popular girl if I knew about a forum where it was said she did FS. She asked me to remove those posts as, like GoldfishMan said, she was getting a lot of unsolicited requests that she was no longer interested in, some getting quite upset at "NO". Truth is, they weren't mine, so told her I couldn't. The best I could do was post "notice" that FS was no longer offered. Some just DON'T understand YMMV. And with those, who wants to dump trash on someone's doorstep.

[Seafood]

My experience is most push you to take extra, once when I declined ml was quite upset saying I ruined her start of shift. I like ml FS mainly because I like to get a decent massage. And many ml massages are on par or better than some legit massage places.
Good idea to say upfront though what u want, use of time is better managed by ml if she knows what u want

[Seafood]

Most Ml or Fs girls don’t allow fingering

[Moist]

New punter here. I have only seen around 10MLs in different places this year.
Mid to late 20s, all of them straight up offered FS after the massage part(none of them mention open minded in ad). Some even push for it when I only opt for HJ or CBJ
I haven't exprienced the "game" of unlocking FS yet. Not sure if it's just me or most MLs nowadays are ok with FS?

[11Bravo]

My experience is most push you to take extra, once when I declined ml was quite upset saying I ruined her start of shift. I like ml FS mainly because I like to get a decent massage. And many ml massages are on par or better than some legit massage places.
Good idea to say upfront though what u want, use of time is better managed by ml if she knows what u want
Not surprising that declining extras would make the server upset. It's how she makes her coin. Like a restaurant, you sit down at a table, only order the "small garden salad" for $5 with a glass of water, then spend an hour occupying the table while eating... server's losing money on you, and the chance to make more money with a "better" customer. Yea, I know, it's a MASSAGE shop, but we all know she's working there for the "extras".

I do agree that a number of ML's provide good to excellent massages, but then my demographic is mature experienced, not SYT. I always book an hour at an MP (45 minutes brothel), the price negligible from 45 minutes at an MP. Allows enough time for a proper try-out. On an initial visit, with some, I'll ask the menu at the start. With others, I'll roll the dice waiting for the proffer on the flip, normally at 30 minutes. Subsequent visits, if qualified, she'll adjust the times. With me, it's obvious why I'm there.

[schloong]

Many thanks for all of your posts here gents and agree with what's being said.

When I was seeing my former reg, I was getting badgered by a few members here and a few practially demanding that I spill the beans on her name, location etc. Of course I ignored them all but it pissed me off big time that they had the audacity to make such demands! It tends to make one less likely to post AR's here as others here have alluded to as well...

Cheers gents...

[1inchguy]

I make it a point never to write anything in the forum about getting FS from an ML that is not advertised as "open minded". That's just a dick move.

Its only a dick move when the punter starts saying complaining that he got refused by the ML, getting their ego hurt and then start pushing, bring up reviews etc.

[Will_1_am]

Not surprising that declining extras would make the server upset. It's how she makes her coin. Like a restaurant, you sit down at a table, only order the "small garden salad" for $5 with a glass of water, then spend an hour occupying the table while eating... server's losing money on you, and the chance to make more money with a "better" customer. Yea, I know, it's a MASSAGE shop, but we all know she's working there for the "extras".

I do agree that a number of ML's provide good to excellent massages, but then my demographic is mature experienced, not SYT. I always book an hour at an MP (45 minutes brothel), the price negligible from 45 minutes at an MP. Allows enough time for a proper try-out. On an initial visit, with some, I'll ask the menu at the start. With others, I'll roll the dice waiting for the proffer on the flip, normally at 30 minutes. Subsequent visits, if qualified, she'll adjust the times. With me, it's obvious why I'm there.

Nah. There are a lot of very good places to eat/drink in our beautiful city/country. The food/drink can be equally good everywhere. What sets the very good places apart from the rest is the level of service. The great places don't care if you order the toastie or the Thermidor. The service remains consistent. If you've not experienced this then you need to cast your net wider.

[11Bravo]

Nah. There are a lot of very good places to eat/drink in our beautiful city/country. The food/drink can be equally good everywhere. What sets the very good places apart from the rest is the level of service. The great places don't care if you order the toastie or the Thermidor. The service remains consistent. If you've not experienced this then you need to cast your net wider.

Nah, I'm talking a la carte restaurants, not prix fixe establishments. The trouble is there's no service rendered that would generate a "tip"; the restaurant takes the majority of the payment for that small salad. That basically reduces her hourly income to "not worth the time and energy required".

Myself, I've wined and dined in many SYD establishments. I prefer a la carte and I usually order the 3 course meal, or at least 2, so EVERYONE is happy, shop, server, and me. If a server is occupied with a "just a salad" customer, then she just might miss my type.

Thanks for the suggestion, but my net is big enough that I catch plenty of fish and they're happy to be reeled in, always happy to see my returning boat (row, not yacht).

[ColesBag]

I prefer F/S from a F/S provider but I'll take it from a M/L if offered for a reasonable price. Just that it's "FS Lite" from a M/L provider alot of the time.

[cos30]

Cheaper with an ML and prettier too.

[PussyConnoisseur69]

I prefer F/S from a F/S provider but I'll take it from a M/L if offered for a reasonable price. Just that it's "FS Lite" from a M/L provider alot of the time.

Whats considered reasonable prices these days?

[PussyConnoisseur69]

Cheaper with an ML and prettier too.

when you say cheaper with an ML is this price all inclusive with the full diamond service you get at a FS type shop setup? and what price is "Cheaper"?

[nosytt]

I'm a big boy, I need a bed to fuck on.

Who the fuck is rolling around on a massage table?

[Abracadabra]

I'm a big boy, I need a bed to fuck on.

Who the fuck is rolling around on a massage table?

And aren't they quite high??

[nosytt]

Are you a fucking midget lmao

[cos30]

Not all massage places just have tables lads, some have bedrooms and couches etc. and a massage table is big enough for two people, guess some of you lot are fat fucks.

[Abracadabra]

Last time I checked, still 180cm/78kg....but thanks for the feedback.

[17012430]

It was hotter 10-15 years ago when you weren’t 100% sure if you were going to get it. Nowadays it’s basically standard service now.

[Mrnice1234]

Still one of the best thrills. Normally takes 2-3 visits to connect esp on “legit” places who have female clients too.

It is the best feeling when you crack them tho 👌👌

[11Bravo]

Cheaper with an ML and prettier too.
Agreed. And perhaps more hygienic: easier to change the disposable tissue cover than sheets, and even with a towel - what about that pillow case?


Not all massage places just have tables lads, some have bedrooms and couches etc. and a massage table is big enough for two people, guess some of you lot are fat fucks.
Again, agreed. Table (perfect for standing missionary with a great view of entry point), to chair, perhaps to love seat or couch. I'm interested in the attractions and skills (some can be very inventive with limited furnishings) of the provider, not the furnishings of the shop. And, I guess, some just don't rank enough to get VIP choices...


Still one of the best thrills. Normally takes 2-3 visits to connect esp on “legit” places who have female clients too.

It is the best feeling when you crack them tho 👌👌
Myself, I'm not into the "woo and court" scheme of things... forbidden pleasures don't do anything for me. I just like a provider who I find attractive, who offers those services I'm interested in, with perhaps the additional skill of a great massage. Sufficient for me to know she has the freedom of menu offerings.