Excuses WL make

[westsydneypunter]

I’ve been punting for a while now and more recently I’m starting to come across more and more WLs looking uncomfortable, in pain, or saying “it’s too big, it hurts” during a session and having to stop.

Personally I don’t think I’m that large, but even some of the ladies who’ve been around for years and are cornerstones of the Sydney scene have told me I’m “a bit too large to handle.”

Just last night I was with a WL (no names) who’s known for taking the bigger guys and enjoying it. She came out with “has anyone told you that you’re big? I’ll try but I can’t promise.” And surprise surprise, we had to stop halfway through the session.

Some of you might say if she’s uncomfortable and in pain that’s her problem and she just has to take it as it is — I’m a paying customer, she’s been paid for her time, that’s her job, just pound away.

Or go complain to the boss and ask for a refund or another girl.

The thing is, I don’t think it’s right to bang away on some poor girl who’s telling you to stop because she’s in pain, or she looks like she’s not enjoying it or about to cry. That’s a complete turn-off for me. Some of you might be into that sort of thing. Call me soft, but if someone asks me to stop, I stop. Otherwise is that still rape? Not having consent even after a financial transaction?

Going and telling the boss — been there, done that. In the end it always turns out to be one of three things:

• I’m told it’s not their problem and I should have taken it up with the girl, so no refund (even after explaining she was in pain and asked me to stop).

• “Just go back and finish your time with her even if she’s in pain. That’s her job.”

• Or I turn around and say “I’m not big, it’s you — you’re too small,” then walk out and never see that girl or that shop again.

What would you do or have done in this situation?

[nosytt]

I was told by one girl at a popular shop half way through the session that there would be no sex as I'm too big.

I've never been back.

If you can't take a above average cock you have no right being in this business or just market yourself as Asian only.

[neveragain]

https://www.aus99forum.com/showthread.php?157965-Girl-in-pain

[11Bravo]

First, I'd most definitely stop. I'm not into inflicting pain. I'd see if we could find a mutually agreeable solution.

Yes, it could be an excuse that's spreading. It could be that a prior client was rough, not stopping, causing swelling.

What was their attitudes towards YOU at the beginning? Eager for business, or, "Let's get this over with"? WADR, what was your attitude? "Let's have some fun", or "Bend over and brace"? Perhaps they were just tiring that you were taking longer...

Obviously, again WADR, they're not interested in repeat business with you. Have to ask yourself why? (rhetorical question). Most want a client list - money in the bank.

You might ask at the beginning if she's OK with "you and yours"? You might consider bringing a bottle of QUALITY lubrication and offering BEFORE things get tight, using SLOW and steady until things loosen up. And use lubricated condoms (nice that they can also include spermicide).

Bottom line: I'd take it as a "the money is not worth it for whatever reason" and "not interested in future business" and act accordingly, one-n-done. Regardless, now you KNOW what her experience is like with YOU.

[endorphine7]

what are we talking about here ?! size wise ??

Im around 8",decent width and i hardly get "not going in" but i do get "very big!!!" often

[1inchguy]

No issues with me. :)

[El Loco Abreu]

If I see that she is struggling during the session I will adjust but I will not see that specific girl again. It never happened to me, but if she said it off the bat I would be very annoyed and would ask reception for a different girl.

But now, if you are already choosing the more plump ones and the ones who are known for accommodating larger sizes, I don't know what to say to you. Either there's something else wrong about you and the size is just an excuse, or you are Mandingo, in which case you should probably quit punting and get into swinging or porn...

[Jack-Jack]

I’ve been punting for a while now and more recently I’m starting to come across more and more WLs looking uncomfortable, in pain, or saying “it’s too big, it hurts” during a session and having to stop.

Personally I don’t think I’m that large, but even some of the ladies who’ve been around for years and are cornerstones of the Sydney scene have told me I’m “a bit too large to handle.”

Just last night I was with a WL (no names) who’s known for taking the bigger guys and enjoying it. She came out with “has anyone told you that you’re big? I’ll try but I can’t promise.” And surprise surprise, we had to stop halfway through the session.

Some of you might say if she’s uncomfortable and in pain that’s her problem and she just has to take it as it is — I’m a paying customer, she’s been paid for her time, that’s her job, just pound away.

Or go complain to the boss and ask for a refund or another girl.

The thing is, I don’t think it’s right to bang away on some poor girl who’s telling you to stop because she’s in pain, or she looks like she’s not enjoying it or about to cry. That’s a complete turn-off for me. Some of you might be into that sort of thing. Call me soft, but if someone asks me to stop, I stop. Otherwise is that still rape? Not having consent even after a financial transaction?

Going and telling the boss — been there, done that. In the end it always turns out to be one of three things:

• I’m told it’s not their problem and I should have taken it up with the girl, so no refund (even after explaining she was in pain and asked me to stop).

• “Just go back and finish your time with her even if she’s in pain. That’s her job.”

• Or I turn around and say “I’m not big, it’s you — you’re too small,” then walk out and never see that girl or that shop again.

What would you do or have done in this situation?


"The thing is, I don’t think it’s right to bang away on some poor girl who’s telling you to stop because she’s in pain" ...... Obviously so is the point of this thread and topic what others would do?

You got that first part right, clearly should not continue if the girl is in pain but why not disclose the shop/s? I'm sure other punters in the similar boat would appreciate a warning before hand and dont see it being an issue or being in breach of forum rules....

few suggestion's/thoughts - what is the girls reaction when you only go a quarter or a third not full penetration or is it girth thing not length?

Have u tried visiting shops that have more girls on offer or bigger girls or western girls? (not sure if theres a direct correlation bigger girls can take bigger dicks... just a suggestion)

what happens when you start the convo like this and how many shops/girls have turned you down? -- " I've been told i'm quite big can i intro/get naked with the girl and if she turns me down cos of size pick another girl? I've seen girls and also punters on here comment they were told too big and got to pick another girl no dramas? So again the question is how many shops and girls have turned you down? "

[Jack-Jack]

First, I'd most definitely stop. I'm not into inflicting pain. I'd see if we could find a mutually agreeable solution.

Yes, it could be an excuse that's spreading. It could be that a prior client was rough, not stopping, causing swelling.

What was their attitudes towards YOU at the beginning? Eager for business, or, "Let's get this over with"? WADR, what was your attitude? "Let's have some fun", or "Bend over and brace"? Perhaps they were just tiring that you were taking longer...

Obviously, again WADR, they're not interested in repeat business with you. Have to ask yourself why? (rhetorical question). Most want a client list - money in the bank.

You might ask at the beginning if she's OK with "you and yours"? You might consider bringing a bottle of QUALITY lubrication and offering BEFORE things get tight, using SLOW and steady until things loosen up. And use lubricated condoms (nice that they can also include spermicide).

Bottom line: I'd take it as a "the money is not worth it for whatever reason" and "not interested in future business" and act accordingly, one-n-done. Regardless, now you KNOW what her experience is like with YOU.

OP said "but even some of the ladies who’ve been around for years and are cornerstones of the Sydney scene have told me I’m “a bit too large to handle.” -- girls that have had decent mileage on them still complain about his size and numerous girls saying this some thing i dont think its the girls being overly precious or using it as an excuse..... just saying

[Jack-Jack]

If I see that she is struggling during the session I will adjust but I will not see that specific girl again. It never happened to me, but if she said it off the bat I would be very annoyed and would ask reception for a different girl.

But now, if you are already choosing the more plump ones and the ones who are known for accommodating larger sizes, I don't know what to say to you. Either there's something else wrong about you and the size is just an excuse, or you are Mandingo, in which case you should probably quit punting and get into swinging or porn...

the more plump ones ROFL you mean the plump ones with mileage or the BBW's?

[El Loco Abreu]

the more plump ones ROFL you mean the plump ones with mileage or the BBW's?

Not BBW's, I would say that a 9+ size already offers more cushion for the pushing, it can help.

Mileage doesn't really help after the very initial stages when the girl is learning how to relax on the job. So yeah, there's that as well, do not choose girls just starting out.

[magnumforce]

There used to be an older and bigger Oz lady in Windsor who could take my whole fist so she would love a huge willie.
In my experience, it’s usually the older BBWs sized 18 or more who would have no issues taking super sized sausages.

I’ve also learnt to stick with size 14 and under if I want to feel anything with a condom on.

[11Bravo]

OP said "but even some of the ladies who’ve been around for years and are cornerstones of the Sydney scene have told me I’m “a bit too large to handle.” -- girls that have had decent mileage on them still complain about his size and numerous girls saying this some thing i dont think its the girls being overly precious or using it as an excuse..... just saying

Valid point. But he also said (bold for emphasis):

I’ve been punting for a while now and more recently I’m starting to come across more and more WLs looking uncomfortable, in pain, or saying “it’s too big, it hurts” during a session and having to stop.

So what's changed? Previously, were others just silent? Better business now so less tolerant of discomfort? He suddenly have a growth spurt?

If something worked before, and now doesn't, what changed? Maybe there was always a problem, it's only now that the bearing has started to squeal. Has he gone back to HIS previous successes (reducing the number of variables) and tried again, had a different response, so asked?

[justincase]

Let’s face it, it’s a buyers market and those that are not “busy” will accept anyone initially.

Overseas money is generally exchanged after the transaction.

Here it’s money upfront.

Why?

Once anyone receives the money upfront what responsibility is there for them to perform?

We’ve all had the “period excuse” and if so why are they accepting customers? We’ve also booked over the phone and then been told “she’s sick” upon arrival. This together with the fake pics uploaded of totally different women is another ploy.

What about being told a ML was Thai when she’s Chinese!

The cheaper the establishment the more they’ll screw you and not in the way you want…


To all the paid shills and shop managers that post here, “who do you think you are fooling”?

[silly boy]

In New Zealand, we almost always paid after, whether massage or FS.

[westsydneypunter]

Valid point. But he also said (bold for emphasis):


So what's changed? Previously, were others just silent? Better business now so less tolerant of discomfort? He suddenly have a growth spurt?

If something worked before, and now doesn't, what changed? Maybe there was always a problem, it's only now that the bearing has started to squeal. Has he gone back to HIS previous successes (reducing the number of variables) and tried again, had a different response, so asked?

I think you’ve misunderstood the situation.

I simply took on board the advice that was given on another thread (including yours and others) and decided to TOFTT more often — try new establishments and new ladies instead of relying only on my regulars. That’s when the issue started.
Just last night I was with an occasional WL who suggested bringing in a friend of hers for a double. The two of them have known each other a long time both inside and outside the game and have done plenty of doubles before, so it sounded like a good idea.

Her friend was in her late 40s, average build (size 10), nothing extreme either way. About fifteen minutes into the hour, while my occasional was on my face and her friend was below, I heard “wow, that’s too big.”
I offered to go slowly and my occasional reassured her that I’m careful. We put a cover on and I started to enter carefully. I was barely halfway in when she pulled a face, took a deep breath, and started shaking her head saying it was too big and uncomfortable. I stopped immediately, suggested we call it at 30 minutes, and she apologised, saying she felt bad. I told her it was fine — there’s nothing sexy about seeing someone in discomfort. She showered, got dressed, apologised again on the way out, and left.

My occasional and I looked at each other, then she started apologising too. I interrupted and asked, half-joking, “I’m not that big, am I?” She answered by going down, and the next couple of hours were excellent.

So to answer your question directly: what’s changed is that I’ve been seeing new ladies instead of sticking only to the regulars where I already know everything works smoothly.

That’s all.​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​ ​​​​

[11Bravo]

I think you’ve misunderstood the situation.

So to answer your question directly: what’s changed is that I’ve been seeing new ladies instead of sticking only to the regulars where I already know everything works smoothly.

That’s all.​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​ ​​​​
Thanks for the clarification.

GOOD NEWS:
Seems that it's not excuses, just contractors saying that the jobs are too big for the equipment they have, and that they'll have to withdraw.

BAD NEWS:
Seems that your pool of available contractors has shrunk to those who can do industrial size jobs.

Given that jobs started ("we take the job") but unfinished provide no refunds ("we keep the money"), due diligence on you part will be required to vet fully qualified contractors to ensure they have the proper equipment BEFORE making a deposit.

[11Bravo]

Overseas money is generally exchanged after the transaction.

Here it’s money upfront.

Why?

Once anyone receives the money upfront what responsibility is there for them to perform?

We’ve all had the “period excuse” and if so why are they accepting customers? We’ve also booked over the phone and then been told “she’s sick” upon arrival. This together with the fake pics uploaded of totally different women is another ploy.

What about being told a ML was Thai when she’s Chinese!

The cheaper the establishment the more they’ll screw you and not in the way you want…


To all the paid shills and shop managers that post here, “who do you think you are fooling”?
JIC, nice to see you haven't ridden off into the sunset.

IME, offshore, while BG's and BFL's usually accept money AFTER, in the inclusive MP's (equivalent to SYD brothels), it is pay first at the front desk. Can't remember when I've had a problem. In MOST cases in SYD RnT's, it's pay after (excluding SYD inclusive shops). In SYD RnT's, so rare that pay BEFORE registers with me, and it's been few and far between. Not really surprising as ALL the providers can easily outrun me. Offshore, if a girl asks for pay BEFORE, that is a "Danger Will Robinson" in that LT can turn to ST.

Once anyone receives the money upfront what responsibility is there for them to perform? IME, it's repeat business; that's money in the bank.

Period excuse - that's the advantage of having her direct contact, you know in advance if she's limited duty. Obviously, only works if you know her, but IME providers are very upfront, at least with me. Also shop managers, as again, the ones I know respect repeat business.