Perception of wls/mls

[Happyas]

Four months ago a new neighbour moved into the townhouse next to me i met her two months ago and have been talking to her abit as we both are single and not into the pub scene.
She has recently moved here from melbourne is very easy going and good to talk too.
We have discussed our present situations and one of our talks got onto our sex lives (very easy woman to converse with) i confessed to seeing wls/mls regularly to get my fix and the expression on her faced changed and she went qiuet for a minute then confessed to being a wl in mebourne for five years in her early twenties (early thirties now) i tried to change the subject for her comfort but she wanted to keep talking about her experiences in the industry and how it has changed her for life.
She was working in a bar after uni to pay for tuition then one night a male approached her at closing time and offered her a position at a establishment in the cbd claiming to be able to gaurentee good earnings each week so she went for a interview and accepted the position.
I asked how it made her feel during her whole time in the industry and she said at the start she enjoyed the money and the sex,meeting different people and the company of the other workers she needed to live a lie to her family and friends which she did not enjoy which by the end of her time in the industry she started to detest everything about the industry especially the treatment of working girls by customers and management.
I asked about the clients and what her perception of the punter is and her reply was that 75% of her customers where there for one thing and that was too do things wives/girlfriends would not do with them and alot of it was freaky/kinky shit that played on her mind and the other 25% were after female companship and to enjoy a time out from family and work, i asked about regulars and she said for the last two years she would only do bookings with regulars who treated her good and did not want to do intros to the walkins of the streets.
She told me sex for her now is non existent as the constant sex changed her body and most nights worked in pain from having sex upto 50 times a week at the start too twenty times a week at the end and it brings back to many bad memories and has no enjoyment from it as the industry changed her from easy going to being withdrawn and cagey around other people and also caused paranoia whenever she was out with friends and family from fear of running into a previous punter.
I asked her how she dealt with it and said a lot of couselling and time to heal and it is why she is in sydney now for a fresh start.
She also stated that some family will not talk to her now because of living the lie that some wl/ml live and too help her heal she needed to confess to family and friends that she was a working girl for five years to help her get back to a semi normal life which she is well on the way too acheiving she is in a steady job and is looking at her
life now with a different outlook.
I know this post is long winded but during our talks i realised that my perception of ml/wls has changed at the start i was going for my pleasure only to get a load away,when i was aked questions i only gave one word answers and wanted to shower quick and get down to business i was always polite and considerate to the woman but now i take five/ten minutes to talk to the women i am seeing and have noticed that my punts have gotten better because of it now i only see the same women and get hugs and compliments from them for taking time to discuss their lives.
Wls/mls have struggles in their lives like everyone and need to talk like we all do and i have learnt it is a hard industry for the women to work in and the better we the punter treat them it will make a difficult job easier.

[vvillie]

Very insightful post.

I often worry about my favorites too from time to time, as they can go from bright and bubbly to distant between visits. And yes, I agree completely that taking the time to make sure they're personal life is OK makes a world of difference in the way the session will pan out.

[AHLUNGOR]

Well, if you go to a RnT shop and have an hour session, there are plenty of times to get to know your ML and build friendship and rapport!

I enjoy seeing my regular MLs and they do so like wise !

I have one favourite WL and I see her for FS of course but we talk the whole time usually!

And sometimes I must admit I do enjoy the conversations as much as their body! May be its just me!

Cheers

[pro_seeker]

I think as a general rule of thumb, all guys should treat the women with respect and be nice to them, whether you're with a friend, gf, mother, sister, coworker or a WL.

Having said that, if the WL feels like she's doing something wrong by having sex with people for money, well I think she's simply picked the wrong industry and she should just get out before it fucks with her head. Simple.

And having said THAT, I'd love to meet a (well-adjusted) WL in real life just to hear about all the crazy shit that i assume goes on at brothels

[wilisno]

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Well, if you go to a RnT shop and have an hour session, there are plenty of times to get to know your ML and build friendship and rapport!


You don't have to go to a RnT shop to talk to a girl !!! You can talk to a girl and build a rapport with a girl anywhere regardless of her being a WL or ML, no big deal !!!

And you can talk non-stop in an FS session too !

It does not depend on where you talk, it depends on how you talk, and whom you talk to, not all girls are keen to make friend with you. But that said, I rarely meet a girl I can't build a rapport with these days ! ;) ;) ;)

[CunningLinguist]

Four months ago a new neighbour moved into the townhouse next to me i met her two months ago and have been talking to her abit as we both are single and not into the pub scene.
She has recently moved here from melbourne is very easy going and good to talk too.
We have discussed our present situations and one of our talks got onto our sex lives (very easy woman to converse with) i confessed to seeing wls/mls regularly to get my fix and the expression on her faced changed and she went qiuet for a minute then confessed to being a wl in mebourne for five years in her early twenties (early thirties now) i tried to change the subject for her comfort but she wanted to keep talking about her experiences in the industry and how it has changed her for life.
She was working in a bar after uni to pay for tuition then one night a male approached her at closing time and offered her a position at a establishment in the cbd claiming to be able to gaurentee good earnings each week so she went for a interview and accepted the position.
I asked how it made her feel during her whole time in the industry and she said at the start she enjoyed the money and the sex,meeting different people and the company of the other workers she needed to live a lie to her family and friends which she did not enjoy which by the end of her time in the industry she started to detest everything about the industry especially the treatment of working girls by customers and management.
I asked about the clients and what her perception of the punter is and her reply was that 75% of her customers where there for one thing and that was too do things wives/girlfriends would not do with them and alot of it was freaky/kinky shit that played on her mind and the other 25% were after female companship and to enjoy a time out from family and work, i asked about regulars and she said for the last two years she would only do bookings with regulars who treated her good and did not want to do intros to the walkins of the streets.
She told me sex for her now is non existent as the constant sex changed her body and most nights worked in pain from having sex upto 50 times a week at the start too twenty times a week at the end and it brings back to many bad memories and has no enjoyment from it as the industry changed her from easy going to being withdrawn and cagey around other people and also caused paranoia whenever she was out with friends and family from fear of running into a previous punter.
I asked her how she dealt with it and said a lot of couselling and time to heal and it is why she is in sydney now for a fresh start.
She also stated that some family will not talk to her now because of living the lie that some wl/ml live and too help her heal she needed to confess to family and friends that she was a working girl for five years to help her get back to a semi normal life which she is well on the way too acheiving she is in a steady job and is looking at her
life now with a different outlook.
I know this post is long winded but during our talks i realised that my perception of ml/wls has changed at the start i was going for my pleasure only to get a load away,when i was aked questions i only gave one word answers and wanted to shower quick and get down to business i was always polite and considerate to the woman but now i take five/ten minutes to talk to the women i am seeing and have noticed that my punts have gotten better because of it now i only see the same women and get hugs and compliments from them for taking time to discuss their lives.
Wls/mls have struggles in their lives like everyone and need to talk like we all do and i have learnt it is a hard industry for the women to work in and the better we the punter treat them it will make a difficult job easier.

Thanks for posting that Happyas!
I always treat WL/MLs nicely, and check it is ok to CIM etc before hand.

[grant]

This isn't just something sex workers go through, it happens in all areas for all sorts of reasons. People seem to think they have a mandate to treat others as anything less than human. People seem to underestimate and to not comprehend the emotional trauma dealt to people who are treated this way. So what have you left to do if everyone you know just would not understand the situation you're in? You cop it and you internalise it. You start to resent the world and eventually cut yourself off from it in one way or another.

[AHLUNGOR]

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You don't have to go to a RnT shop to talk to a girl !!! You can talk to a girl and build a rapport with a girl anywhere regardless of her being a WL or ML, no big deal !!!

And you can talk non-stop in an FS session too !

It does not depend on where you talk, it depends on how you talk, and whom you talk to, not all girls are keen to make friend with you. But that said, I rarely meet a girl I can't build a rapport with these days ! ;) ;) ;)

Haha showing off there brother Wil,

No question you are a lady's man!

I was once very popular among young ladies too back when I was at Uni and before I got married!

Nowadays, apart from my family, I spent more times with MLs than with any other female companions for obvious reasons - but I think I am still pretty popular - I'm just an overall nice person !!

IMHO

Cheers

[yellow_fever]

This is probably the biggest reason I see ML's over WL's. Nothing against WL's, but many of them don't realise the position they've put themselves in until years later. Working at the low end of the market, generally attracts the lowest quality of customer who are more likely to be disrespectful of women. The physical reality of having to do so many clients in a day takes its toll for sure. I don't feel the same is true of WL's who price themselves a little higher in the market, they can be a little more choosy and tend to attract more respectful clients. They also don't need to see as many clients in a day, which works out better for everyone.

ML's on the other hand, it's almost like going on a date. They charge for extras, but the extras and the price depend on if they like you more than anything else. If they really like you, they might do a whole lot, for nothing. It's not the money so much (though that's nice!) but it's the fact that they do it because they want to. I'm sure that's better for the soul. I've seen regular ML's in past where we got really attached, and the sessions were incredible. At the end you try to tip them and they wont take the money. It's more than 'just a job'

[wilisno]

This is probably the biggest reason I see ML's over WL's. Nothing against WL's, but many of them don't realise the position they've put themselves in until years later. Working at the low end of the market, generally attracts the lowest quality of customer who are more likely to be disrespectful of women. The physical reality of having to do so many clients in a day takes its toll for sure. I don't feel the same is true of WL's who price themselves a little higher in the market, they can be a little more choosy and tend to attract more respectful clients. They also don't need to see as many clients in a day, which works out better for everyone.

ML's on the other hand, it's almost like going on a date. They charge for extras, but the extras and the price depend on if they like you more than anything else. If they really like you, they might do a whole lot, for nothing. It's not the money so much (though that's nice!) but it's the fact that they do it because they want to. I'm sure that's better for the soul. I've seen regular ML's in past where we got really attached, and the sessions were incredible. At the end you try to tip them and they wont take the money. It's more than 'just a job'
It's just a stepping stone for the new girls, once they done it, and if they're confident of themselves, they will go over to FS industry to make some real money ! I've seen too many cases of those !

[wilisno]

Haha showing off there brother Wil,

No question you are a lady's man!

I was once very popular among young ladies too back when I was at Uni and before I got married!

Nowadays, apart from my family, I spent more times with MLs than with any other female companions for obvious reasons - but I think I am still pretty popular - I'm just an overall nice person !!

IMHO

Cheers
Not trying to show off or anything, on the contrary, just to let you know that the ML's are no difference than WL's, they're all human !

[rooter]

Just to put things in perspective.
A WLs working life is just one aspect of her life and usually just a short term thing.
Most move on to other things once they finish their travels, studies etc and overseas ones often go back home.
Their life as a WL is just a small chapter in the book of their lives. And as for individual punters; well we hardly rate a footnote.
And that's totally cool.

[herecticx]

Yes its a short term thing but some things haunt you for a life time.

After all, who do you think would enjoy this type of job?

Have you imagined all the grunting faces they see on top of them let alone imagine having a stranger inside you. I know some could justify for the money. But these women were little girls once upon a time. Its sad really since some really do need the money and this is their last resort.

We are to blame for some part for using this service, you can justify saying they need the money and are offering a service. But i truly do feel sorry for the ones that have no choice and do not want to do this job.

Just my 2 cents.

[Clinton]

The disparity in rich and poor creates such situation that some girls have no choice. This world is evil as the rich becomes richer and poorer poorer.

[CunningLinguist]

Yes its a short term thing but some things haunt you for a life time.

After all, who do you think would enjoy this type of job?

Have you imagined all the grunting faces they see on top of them let alone imagine having a stranger inside you. I know some could justify for the money. But these women were little girls once upon a time. Its sad really since some really do need the money and this is their last resort.

We are to blame for some part for using this service, you can justify saying they need the money and are offering a service. But i truly do feel sorry for the ones that have no choice and do not want to do this job.

Just my 2 cents.

I only like WLs who like doing their job!
If I think a WL is not having a good time I won't return, and if things are going bad I will walk.

[AHLUNGOR]

Yes its a short term thing but some things haunt you for a life time.

After all, who do you think would enjoy this type of job?

Have you imagined all the grunting faces they see on top of them let alone imagine having a stranger inside you. I know some could justify for the money. But these women were little girls once upon a time. Its sad really since some really do need the money and this is their last resort.

We are to blame for some part for using this service, you can justify saying they need the money and are offering a service. But i truly do feel sorry for the ones that have no choice and do not want to do this job.

Just my 2 cents.

Very good points brother!

But as a long term punters, I knew a lot of working ladies over the past two decades !

I will say I had not come across any one who was forced into these line of work, may be except a few Korean gals whom I couldn't communicate too well and they clearly didn't want to be there......lol

However, is prostitution not the oldest profession ? Women had been selling or bartering sex long before any history or law were written, it's s natural animal things in the wilderness !!

Sure, not discounting slavery and gang controlled human trafficking still exists but say in Australia and in particularly RnT shops, pretty certain they all work on their own free will!

The brother was saying they have no choice and they needed the money, don't we all ??

If you are Asian girl, here on a student visa, holiday or temperary working visa, surely you will know how much it's gonna cost you to live and study here, well I don't want to waste time debating that.

What I do want to point out is that, say for a Chinese girl speaks little English, and has little skills or work experiences, where else can you find a job where you can make say $400-$50O a day and you don't even have to suck cocks and get fucked ! And if you do offer more you will make a lot more money , working 5 days a week and makes $100,000+ tax free cash in hand, how many of us Hard working punters are on that pay scale??

And for some married MILF some just works 5/6 hrs a day to make some money on the side, and they could be buying more investments units every few years , many of them are in much better shape than yours truly here !

So instead of feeling sorry for them, I think they are doing very well for their family !

IMHO

Cheers

[puntbook]

The argument that they have no choice does not stand up well, especially in this country. You really believe that the WL described here had NO choice but to do the work for 5 years? It's simply a case of the monetary rewards being so good that they override anything else, like family, pride, physical and mental trauma.

They all have choice but they choose to do the work because they like the lifestyle that the money brings them.

[AHLUNGOR]

The argument that they have no choice does not stand up well, especially in this country. You really believe that the WL described here had NO choice but to do the work for 5 years? It's simply a case of the monetary rewards being so good that they override anything else, like family, pride, physical and mental trauma.

They all have choice but they choose to do the work because they like the lifestyle that the money brings them.


I have a true story:

Melissa is an Aussie ML, used to work at Impression, she was busty, very sensual and gave a very erotic body slide and HJ/Spanish - very popular girl, and she didn't do any extras - unless it was very well worth it - she showed me a gold chain which was a gift from a Chinese restaurant owner after seeing Melissa for a year and Melissa finally rewarded him with a two hr spa session with FS at an undisclosed sum. And he came back the next day with the gold chain - well, the gold price back in the 90's were not that high but still.

Then I missed Melissa for a few years as I changed job and At Michelle in BJ is more convenient. Meeting this busty new girl Cindy and she turned out to be Melissa, and we both recognised each other so a lot of catching up. Cindy/Melissa told me she is retiring soon (she must be 30/32 at the time, still looks good but she had put on weight and her tits were not as firm !!) with my good heart, I of course asked her if she was set up financially.

To my surprises (at the time), Melissa sounded like a very smart woman, she had three rental properties making rental income for her enough to retire and live comfortably. She has a toy boy from Indonesian who had a big cock and fucked her brains out every night (her exact words) but sex is all he is good at, so Melissa was just keeping him to warm her bed - so why is she still working? She was trying to save enough money to buy a retirement unit for her old mum in the central coast, once the unit is paid off, the mother can live off her own pension.

Then Melissa will move to Indonesia and live with her fuck buddy and enjoy life.

Just one of many success story of a ML who knows what she is doing and has a plan !!

Cheers

:cool2:

[CunningLinguist]

I remember getting a massage from a caucy years ago, she said she was doing it to pay off her house quicker!

[AHLUNGOR]

I remember getting a massage from a caucy years ago, she said she was doing it to pay off her house quicker!

And Josh's (from the West Wing) one time girl friend who did high class escorting to pay her own way through law school !

[puntbook]

I have a true story:

Melissa is an Aussie ML, used to work at Impression, she was busty, very sensual and gave a very erotic body slide and HJ/Spanish - very popular girl, and she didn't do any extras - unless it was very well worth it - she showed me a gold chain which was a gift from a Chinese restaurant owner after seeing Melissa for a year and Melissa finally rewarded him with a two hr spa session with FS at an undisclosed sum. And he came back the next day with the gold chain - well, the gold price back in the 90's were not that high but still.

Then I missed Melissa for a few years as I changed job and At Michelle in BJ is more convenient. Meeting this busty new girl Cindy and she turned out to be Melissa, and we both recognised each other so a lot of catching up. Cindy/Melissa told me she is retiring soon (she must be 30/32 at the time, still looks good but she had put on weight and her tits were not as firm !!) with my good heart, I of course asked her if she was set up financially.

To my surprises (at the time), Melissa sounded like a very smart woman, she had three rental properties making rental income for her enough to retire and live comfortably. She has a toy boy from Indonesian who had a big cock and fucked her brains out every night (her exact words) but sex is all he is good at, so Melissa was just keeping him to warm her bed - so why is she still working? She was trying to save enough money to buy a retirement unit for her old mum in the central coast, once the unit is paid off, the mother can live off her own pension.

Then Melissa will move to Indonesia and live with her fuck buddy and enjoy life.

Just one of many success story of a ML who knows what she is doing and has a plan !!

Cheers

:cool2:

Just goes to show that they all have their own reasons and stories for doing the work that they do and they do it by choice and in most case are very well off financially. In the case of Chinese MLs who are here on student or working holiday visas, they are smart enough not to flaunt their big earnings and send most of it back to China. Some are even smart enough to be good currency traders and change their Aussie dollars to Yuan at the right time LOL

I think there is a tendency by some members in this forum to feel sorry for ML/WL and maybe try to out do each other in the race to dish out sympathy.

The ones that they should feel sorry for are the members that have gambling/punting addiction and in some cases are in a tight financial situation due to their addictions.

[herecticx]

The ones that they should feel sorry for are the members that have gambling/punting addiction and in some cases are in a tight financial situation due to their addictions.


you are right brother