Dolly - disappointment :(

[noubroz]

Hi everyone,

Last night I saw Dolly for an hour. I wanted to know all about the very expensive Diamond Class.
Having tried quite few of the Ginza girls from different class I was expecting a high class service.
I was wondering what these Diamond Class girls can offer more than a Cassie, Victoria, Jasmin???
The answer is nothing!

I love Ginza, really I do, it's my favorite place in Sydney. I don't write a lot of AR because most of the time it's great and I don't feel the need to write it down, but this time the service didn't reach the expectation so I just wanted to warn my dear friend punters out there.

Dolly, when I saw her I was not sure if I wanted to stay. Sorry to be rude but for a second I though she was a transexual:(
It's my opinion only, but I don't find her attractive at all, she has a pretty big nose and very bony face.

I don't know why I didn't leave at this stage.

Anyway, let's move on.

After a little hug she asked me to sit down on the sofa/chair and start what I reckon a routine, I felt she was set as a clock, kissing here, dong this doing that, undressing me slowly, too slowly. I had to speed everything up other wise she would have taken 20 minutes just to take off my pants.

Shower time, she was really into it but once again I felt she was doing her routine... She gave me a BBBJ but her nose was touching my belly, I don't know how to explain it but that was weird.

Next, the bed, after an average BBBJ I was ready to come. I was thinking at 290$ an hour I should do CIM, but guess what? She doesn't no CIM, no COF.
What the hell?! Why is she a Diamond Class???
I was so disappointed, I felt ripped off.

How come, I mean if this girl is a Diamond what is Cassie???

That's crazy right? Or it's just me turning loco???

Very expensive girl, not that pretty, no good service.

All that to say that I'm disappointed.

If anyone had similar though please share.

Cheers,

noubroz

[Cheech]

Thanks for sharing!

No CIM? and she is Diamond class? Can't believe it...I've gotten CIM at upmarket cauc establishments at no extra charge!
Did you actually ask her, and she refused? Maybe she is getting too many bookings and now she thinks she doesn't have to provide this service. But doesn't her web profile specify CIM? She'll probably start asking for tips next for this supposedly standard service.

I won't be visiting this girl anytime soon.

[cacheordure]

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Very expensive girl, not that pretty, no good service.

All that to say that I'm disappointed.

If anyone had similar though please share.

Cheers,

noubroz

noubroz mate, all I say is that I agree with you...

Saw Dolly for an hour last night and left feeling in a similar way.

[hairy1231]

in almost every room in ginza it clearly shows the price for extra ad extra girls decision...
and no where in diamond class description say cim/cof etc included or guaranteed. They in diamond cos of their beauty/age as the operator rate them

im glad she didnt let someone like u cim lol

[Punter Poontang]

But doesn't her web profile specify CIM?

Where?? To my knowledge, no extras have ever been officially advertised, they're simply never guaranteed as they're always going to be at the girls discretion, as they fucking should be.

To the OP, I think you'll find that Diamond level is clearly advertised as genuinely young mixed blood girls. That's what you're paying for, not any wrongly perceived service level .... service level is known to vary widely. e.g. recent reports say that Saki will fuck your brains out, but she's only Silver Class Premium ....

Sorry you didn't enjoy your session, but my honest opinion is that your disappointment is as much down to your own misconceptions as anything else. Wilson's an honest guy, so why didn't you ask him about her services before making the booking and coughing up the cash??

FWIW, I saw her on the weekend too, AR's up. Wasn't the greatest session ever and I too got denied CIM, but I knew what I was paying for so wasn't in any way disappointed. As to whether I'd shell out $290 for Dolly again in preference to my beloved Moē at $240 .... well, that's a decision that only every punter can make for himself as to what he's after and considers as value for his hard-earned.

[Gucci2012]

I think you focused too much on the "price" of Dolly rather than her "value"(Oscar Wilde) The different classes between the girls have never been differentiated by types of services no where on this forum or Ginzas website has that been said.

I mean if anyone can point me in the direction of a young Thai girl who does DFK and bbbj in Sydney CBD for a similar or less price per hour I'm there. I doubt anyone could though.

[Onepunt]

I think you focused too much on the "price" of Dolly rather than her "value"(Oscar Wilde) The different classes between the girls have never been differentiated by types of services no where on this forum or Ginzas website has that been said.

I mean if anyone can point me in the direction of a young Thai girl who does DFK and bbbj in Sydney CBD for a similar or less price per hour I'm there. I doubt anyone could though.

I am sure you have to go somewhere else bro Gucci2012. The problem is this Dolly girl currently work in Ginza. With $100 different to the silver class. What value does she add on? She didn't provide DFK for me last Friday.

[Max Impact]

Big difference in Dolly's services depending on who's review you read.

[Oneonone]

I must admit I am confused!

What is this shop offering for the extra money?

Girls range from $ 180 per hour to $320 may be more/

What are you paying extra for in both cases the girls are supposed to be young 19 or 20 so it can't be age.

They are both supposed to be pretty with good service!

Reading the reports seems you can pay $320 and get better service at a $100 shop like the one at Peakhurst.

Why do they try and grade their girls what formula do they use for doing so.

If they want to do that then why don't they give us the formula and if you pay $320 and don't get the service what about a part refund?

I find it all too confusing and that's one of the main reasons I haven't gone to Ginza.

[Onepunt]

Big difference in Dolly's services depending on who's review you read.

In Ginza. I am more than happy to pay for Dinna, Victoria, Toshika, Snow..... I lost my count bro. They put down 110% effort. I am complaining about this Dolly girl. If i am paying premium or the highest grade in Ginza, I will expect the girl will provide something different.

To bro Max, do you mean the guy like me put down some negative feedback once in a thousand year not worth to listen?

I am not attacking Ginza. Dinna is my favour, but for this Dolly girl absolutely not for me.

[Punter Poontang]

I am sure you have to go somewhere else bro Gucci2012. The problem is this Dolly girl currently work in Ginza. With $100 different to the silver class. What value does she add on? She didn't provide DFK for me last Friday.

Did you actually read this thread?? "Value" is down to the individual punter, but you are paying for a genuinely young mixed blood girl at that level. Instead of comparing Dolly to the rest of the Ginza girls, maybe try comparing her to girls at the $300+ agencies for perspective.

Also, did you mention the DFK thing to Wilson?? I did, in her first session on Saturday arvo, and it got rectified later that day according to Gucci ....

[Punter Poontang]

Ok, so you didn't like her or perceive value, you can easily choose not to see her again. But:



If i am paying premium or the highest grade in Ginza, I will expect the girl will provide something different.


to me, that indicates where at least a share of the blame lies. Your expectations RE: service level were just plain wrong (DFK excluded, that's a legit complaint as it's supposed to be a standard service there).

[Onepunt]

Did you actually read this thread?? "Value" is down to the individual punter, but you are paying for a genuinely young mixed blood girl at that level. Instead of comparing Dolly to the rest of the Ginza girls, maybe try comparing her to girls at the $300+ agencies for perspective.

Also, did you mention the DFK thing to Wilson?? I did, in her first session on Saturday arvo, and it got rectified later that day according to Gucci ....

Bro, everyone has different taste. For me, one punt with Dolly is enough.
I am the one slack of writing and reply msg. You can ignore what I commented. Too many girls out there to pick from.

[Punter Poontang]

Girls range from $ 180 per hour to $320 may be more/

What are you paying extra for in both cases the girls are supposed to be young 19 or 20 so it can't be age.


I can't think of a Silver class girl at $180 who was 20 or under .... maybe Pani (Sing) or one of the Thai girls, but certainly not a J-girl or an exotic mixed minx.


I find it all too confusing and that's one of the main reasons I haven't gone to Ginza.

Your loss bro. You're over-thinking it all. :-P

Once again, my standard disclaimer, apologies if I'm coming across as defensive .... I am a shameless fanboy of the place. Complaints are part and parcel of the industry, but they should be warranted. In this instance, I think it's clear that punters have erred by having service-related expectations because they're shelling out more than usual .... that's an error on your part, so I can't see how Ginza can be responsible for not meeting YOUR incorrect expectations caused by YOUR misconceptions about what you're paying for ....

[woods23]

She look like trans? Can any one Comfirm please.

[Punter Poontang]

Bro, everyone has different taste. For me, one punt with Dolly is enough.
I am the one slack of writing and reply msg. You can ignore what I commented. Too many girls out there to pick from.

We agree on that clearly. I've already said the same numerous times, so don't see her again, that's up to you.

I'm not having a go, just trying to have a discussion which will maybe aid other punters to clarify what "Diamond" means and reduce any other lofty expectations RE: service.

Would love for you to answer that question RE: DFK though .... :-)

[Massageguy]

There is one simple thing you guys are all forgetting.

THIS IS CALLED PUNTING.

In other words.
You WIN some , you LOOSE some.

Personally, I felt fantastic when I came out of the room after seeing Dolly.
I did get the DFK , I got PSE and I got very passionate love making.

We have to remember we are all human. We react differently to different people and we click at different levels.

I can tell you now!!!! If I was being paid by random woman to have sex with them. ( Insert dream here ).
I would be giving different levels of service depending on our initial connection and physical attraction . Sometimes good, sometimes not so good.

Over the yrs, I have paid for legit massages and ended up getting better service than the $290 girls who are being paid for that service.

That's life in the punting world!!!!!!

[xhunter]

Im sorry to hear your experience,

Personally I like them a lot
My personally experience:
First day: Cat 30mins
Next day: Cat 1 hr
then: Double 1hr
last time: Dolly 1 hr

Following: Dolly 1 hr at first spot whenever she works next time

I agree her service is not comparative to Victoria, Jasmin, Lemon... there are too many stars.
However, she is good enough for me due to her looking, personality, service good to me :love:

[Punter Poontang]

then: Double 1hr


YOU MUST POST AN AR OF THIS .... you bastard. :-P

[Punter Poontang]

Oh FFS Gronk .... you are ALREADY paying for higher quality, according to her age and how the shop rates her looks. Most who've seen her think she's a stunner, myself included.

Higher service level is bullshit. See Saki example posted previously .... plus you're already getting better standard services than any other shop, with extras rightly at the girls discretion. What room to move is there?? What could she possibly do that other girls don't as standard??

[xhunter]

Paying diamond price and expecting a diamond quality service is valid and not a misconception.


Dont think anyone can beat service on Victoria, Cassie, Jasmin, saki and etc
Diamond class doesn't means top service, I have seen some top service girls, rate Jasmin the highest, she is only Golden. and saki only Silver Premium class.

[Punter Poontang]

Diamond class doesn't means top service, I have seen some top service girls, rate Jasmin the highest, she is only Golden. and saki only Silver Premium class.

This guy gets it. :-)

Good post before by Massageguy too, the girls aren't machines, there's always going to be an element of YMMV based on how you click. But complaining about not getting CIM .... how can you complain about not getting an extra, that you're not entitled to as it's at the girls discretion, that you didn't even pay for??

As I see it, the only legit complaint is still RE: DFK, and if Onepunt mentioned it to Wilson after his session, instead of raising it here a week later, maybe my session the following day would've been even better ....

I'm gonna have a bex and a lie down now, this thread's doing my head in. Promise not to bite at the next poster displaying an epic fail of comprehension.

[syphon]

I booked to see Dolly last Monday at 5.30 after reading some good reports! Wanted to be first for the day!
When she opened the door, not quite what I expected but I was not disappointed. She is gorgeous in a cute, natural way. No tats, on fake tits. Into the shower and lots of soaping up and kissing (admittedly not quite dfk) then down for some very nice bbbj.
Out of the shower and onto the bed! More bbbj which is very good! then into 69. She loves daty and the juices were really flowing.
When it was time to fuck, she reached for the lube tube almost instinctively, looked at me and smiled and put it back down. She realised she didn't need it! We fucked in mish, doggy, flat doggy, and back to mish for ages and she was so into it!!
Studying her face whilst in mish, I thought wow you really are beautiful! So, have to disagree with the negative feedback she has received.
Is she better that some of the girls who are less expensive? I guess that is debatable. As has been pointed out, she is obviously platinum level because she looks so cute, fresh and innocent.
I have not met her friend Cat yet. She is next!
On the way out I asked when Jessica was coming back. Was told mid November. She apparently has had a boob job! aghhh Why do so many girls want to do that! Her tits were great.

[numberonebigsize]

Why is it on this forum that every time a contributor/member/punter posts anything negative or non complimentary he is attacked unmercifully as a dumbass dickhead whose opinions are worth jackshit by all the keyboard jockeys/senior members/experts that grace these pages. I personally know 5 members of this forum who, like me,punt about twice a week but refrain from posting A/Rs for the very reasons stated above.
I attended CBD doubles/Ginze 2/3 times every week when they were in the city/Maroubra but have only been to cleveland st once,dont like grading system.Old system worked well before,never had a problem.

[heatseeker]

Im going to add to numberonebigsizes post, and even up this debate a little

It is always the case that the customer has to clarify what he is paying for at all times - beforehand

What noubroz has found, is that even at Diamond Class level at a great place like Ginza, you have to clarify carefully what is included

The only mention of the subject of services on the website (where most newcomers find out about Ginza for the first time) is "All kinds of GFE & PSE".
What is not stated, which adds mystique to the place, is that services may vary, even at Diamond Class level

But the fun about Ginza is this mystery and finding out yourself which Class you like best !

What my own personal preference would be, is that the Diamond Class woman should do all the basics to totally satisfy the guy
And as far as I am concerned, the basics at such a "Diamond Class level" include DFK, GFE, CIM/COF/COB, and not finishing before the time allocated

Note that Greek or other more exotic expectations are NOT basic

We all have had GF and ex GFs who wont do CIM, so if Diamond Class level is no better than my ex GF, I wanna know beforehand

I would like to finish by saying Ginza is awesome, and I agree with all the posters saying the Manager does an absolutely fantastic job, and the ladies are superb

[gimpy]

Sorry to be rude but for a second I though she was a transexual:(


But you still fucked it anyway? Are you sure you didn't think that for longer than a second?


dont like grading system.Old system worked well before,never had a problem.

Have you ever seen Miss Saigon?

[Punter Poontang]

Right. If you ' re saying its purely looks alone then does that mean she is a class (or classes above) the others at Ginza?

But of course, looks is subjective.

Now as you and others have said, if other ginza girls provide better service at less price, isn t it then perfectly valid to question why Diamond girls are classed above the others?

That last question has already been answered numerous times .... for the last time, as I understand you are paying for a genuinely young, attractive mixed blood girl. Any assumption that you're getting a better level of service is just that, an assumption.

Agree, as you said, looks are subjective. But getting back to your first question, imo she's one of the three hottest girls I've booked at Ginza. The other two are GCP, but slightly older.

[Punter Poontang]

What my own personal preference would be, is that the Diamond Class woman should do all the basics to totally satisfy the guy
And as far as I am concerned, the basics at such a "Diamond Class level" include DFK, GFE, CIM/COF/COB, and not finishing before the time allocated


Only disagree with you on the CIM/COF part, they are clear extras and the shops policy and price guidance on them is well known. Imo it is not reasonable to expect they're included at any level .... other agencies that do guarantee it above the girls discretion also have a higher price range (~$350) so it's obviously been built in.

[heatseeker]

Punter Poontang
So the highest class girls are "genuinely young, attractive mixed blood girl"
Can you explain this "mixed blood girl" to the newcomers

Having enjoyed "pure C-girl", "pure J-girl", "pure K-girl" and "pure Thai-girl", Im all ears

Whats the advantage of the mixed blooded lady, and provide examples of your preferences ;)

[Oneonone]

Only disagree with you on the CIM/COF part, they are clear extras and the shops policy and price guidance on them is well known. Imo it is not reasonable to expect they're included at any level .... other agencies that do guarantee it above the girls discretion also have a higher price range (~$350) so it's obviously been built in.

You can get CIM / COF for less in fact you can get it for $150 not all girls offer it so you need to check who does it if that's what you want just go to 533 Willoughby road.

I am sure you can get it at other shops for a similar price.

If you pay over $ 200 for these services then that's up to you but for me its not value for money. YOMV

[CunningLinguist]

Studying her face whilst in mish, I thought wow you really are beautiful!

Girls faces usually look really good when you have your cock inside them while doing mish ...

[Punter Poontang]

Why is it on this forum that every time a contributor/member/punter posts anything negative or non complimentary he is attacked unmercifully as a dumbass dickhead whose opinions are worth jackshit by all the keyboard jockeys/senior members/experts that grace these pages. I personally know 5 members of this forum who, like me,punt about twice a week but refrain from posting A/Rs for the very reasons stated above.


You're obviously talking about me and the childish name-calling is completely unnecessary.

I've already apologised in advance for coming across as defensive, I don't hide I'm a very happy customer of Wilson's and don't want to give any impression of speaking on his behalf. All I've tried to point out is that, imo, punters have clearly had unfounded and unrealistic expectations due to the price point. I've pointed out why I think that, given examples why I think that, and highlighted what I've read as Ginza's official stance on it.

No-one has yet been able to contradict that beyond saying "but, but, but, she costs more therefore she should perform better" .... which is an inherently floored assumption, also for reasons I've previously documented.

I also have a strong intolerance of stupidity in all its forms, and am not afraid to point it out when other guys completely fail to comprehend what has already been repeatedly stated. Sue me.

In light of all that, do you care to point out where I've "unmercifully attacked" anyone?? It's called a discussion, that's what forums are for. If you can't handle differing opinions (mind, mine's the only one with rational justification), then the interweb is clearly not for you.

[Punter Poontang]

You can get CIM / COF for less in fact you can get it for $150 not all girls offer it so you need to check who does it if that's what you want just go to 533 Willoughby road.

I am sure you can get it at other shops for a similar price.

If you pay over $ 200 for these services then that's up to you but for me its not value for money. YOMV

With respect, I've never been there so can't comment personally, but my understanding is the girls at 533 are significantly older.

Anyways, that's by the by, my comment referred to Ginza's extras policy which is well documented. That cash goes direct in the girls pocket, with the service offered at her discretion, it's not reasonable to expect those are included in any category.

[garfield]

I enjoyed my time with dolly and paid for what I've got, a young mixed blood girl.

I don't compare girls because they are different and you get something different with each one. That is good because this is the variety we men like to have.

The classes are a general classification, for more money you tend to get younger and harder to find girls like mixed blood in this case.

Every girl strives to give you a good experience but chemistry between people are all different, so you can get a good punt or bad punt in any class.

In fact if Wilson can find a genuine 18 years old mixed Japan and Aussie like Melissa, I don't really care how she performs as long as I can have her.

If you just want a good punt, try only those that have been proven over time like Cassie, jasmin and more.

[heatseeker]

Punter, I think you have made your point clear about Ginza's policy, and thanks for clarifying things

My point is that Im not paying top dollar to a lady who has the same basic restrictions as many of my ex GFs, ie no CIM

CIM is a basic if Im paying top dollar. Full stop

My opinion, and the opinion of many

Now if 'mixed bloods' make the expense worthwhile, can we have a few examples of the racial mixtures you are talking about, to support your point of bigger expense = a better experience

[Punter Poontang]

Punter Poontang
So the highest class girls are "genuinely young, attractive mixed blood girl"
Can you explain this "mixed blood girl" to the newcomers

Having enjoyed "pure C-girl", "pure J-girl", "pure K-girl" and "pure Thai-girl", Im all ears

Whats the advantage of the mixed blooded lady, and provide examples of your preferences ;)

Better still, refer to their roster & official girl descriptions. That's where it clearly states the Diamond girls are mixed, lists their heritage, and states that's what separates them from the pack.

I've never said it's an advantage, since you asked my preference is for 100% Japanese girls, but variety IS the spice of life. :-)

[heatseeker]

Fair enough Punter Poontang, and there you are saying guys should pay a premium for mixed bloods. WTF ?
You like 100% J girl. Good stuff
My preference?
100% K girl
Oh, hang on, maybe 100% J girl
Hang on, 100% K girl
Oh forget it

[Punter Poontang]

Punter, I think you have made your point clear about Ginza's policy, and thanks for clarifying things

My point is that Im not paying top dollar to a lady who has the same basic restrictions as many of my ex GFs, ie no CIM

CIM is a basic if Im paying top dollar. Full stop

My opinion, and the opinion of many

No worries mate, appreciate your contribution to the discussion.

If it's that important to you, I'd suggest you clarify with them in advance whether or not CIM is going to be likely before booking a girl for the first time. I'm well aware of the policy so never expect it, although most will, for the record Dolly is not the first girl I've seen to deny it. It was in no way a dampener as it's not that important to me, the DFK thing was a slight dampener and I agree that's a legitimate complaint .... at ANY level at Ginza.

[heatseeker]

The other flaw of this "more expense means more beauty, not more services" is that often the most beautiful women are the coldest

If a gorgeous woman is not going to give me DFK, then to me its like licking my plasma screen while watching a movie actress in a movie

Cold

[Punter Poontang]

Fair enough Punter Poontang, and there you are saying guys should pay a premium for mixed bloods. WTF ?


No mate, I never said that and note you've edited your earlier post to ask something similar.

All I'm doing is stating the shops reasons for differentiating those girls, and giving them a higher price range. I've deduced that solely from what's posted on the official roster / description page.

I guess there's a widely held belief that "Eurasians" are more beautiful .... while looks are always subjective, they're certainly more exotic and rarer to find. So I assume on some level you're paying for that rarity above all else, classic supply and demand at work!! :-)


EDIT: I'll note that although Dolly didn't use her tongue to kiss me, she was anything BUT cold.

[Oneonone]

At the end of the day its our choice, yes us the punter, if we are happy to pay the money the so be it, to me extra for a girl just because she is mixed or Japanese or Korean or Chinese, or Aussie or any other race is stupid.

Pay for what you like and in my case I like good service anything else is second, including age, size, shape, looks etc.

Some others may have specific things that turn them on and are prepared to pay extra for that!

Good on them go for it pay what you like.

If these girls aren't worth it then they wont last long in the end there are plenty of girls out there you can find anything you want and any size, shape, age, nationality, service, etc the only thing remains is where you want to get it and how much are you prepared to pay

Just find something that suits you and go for it, fortunately not all of us like or want the same thing, that's whats so good about our hobby punting.

Go pay what you like go where you like but most of all go and enjoy.

[Punter Poontang]

^^^^

Excellent post Oneonone. If guys don't click with her and don't return, or don't want to pay the mixed blood surcharge, of course that's their choice.

Just complain for valid reasons is all I'm saying. :-)

[heatseeker]

Sorry Punter Poontang for mistaking Ginza policy with your own.

I misread your post. I see your point

These mixed races must be ok if this is the Ginza principle for higher prices

But for me, I cant see how you can beat a 100% J or 100% K, and thats why I lost you

We all agree - everyone is entitled to their own preference(s).

Maybe I have to try more Eurasians ;)

[Punter Poontang]

Maybe I have to try more Eurasians ;)

For sure, but with so many opinions about Dolly you might be better off flipping a coin to decide. Lol. :-P

Just remembered Catherine is back, she's a proper Eurasian (Japanese x French), just a little older at early 30's hence GCP level. Hmmm. ;-)

[heatseeker]

Thanks Punter Poontang

"Just remembered Catherine is back, she's a proper Eurasian (Japanese x French), just a little older at early 30's hence GCP level. Hmmm. ;-) "

Very nice

Suddenly you have made everything make perfect sense.

[gdx]

You can get CIM / COF for less in fact you can get it for $150 not all girls offer it so you need to check who does it if that's what you want just go to 533 Willoughby road.

I am sure you can get it at other shops for a similar price.

If you pay over $ 200 for these services then that's up to you but for me its not value for money. YOMV

12 Bellevue will be a better place to go. All included. Cheaper price! $130/hr
Or just go to 647 for the same girls without dramas.

[DeepImpact]

Big difference in Dolly's services depending on who's review you read.

You can say that again, not to mention the different descriptions of her looks. Is she as mentioned not that attractive and briefly mistaken for a transexual or is she as described in other reviews as being beautiful, delicate, a sex maniac with flawless skin? I know beauty is in the eye of the beholder and all those other well used cliches but that's a massive contrast.

[wilisno]

My point is that Im not paying top dollar to a lady who has the same basic restrictions as many of my ex GFs, ie no CIM

CIM is a basic if Im paying top dollar. Full stop

My opinion, and the opinion of many



Firstly, I'm not a Ginza customer. As a matter of fact, I've never been to Ginza, so I'm not a die-hard supporter as such !

I don't believe CIM/COF should be the basic service for any level of service, that's not what you pay top dollars for ! If you consider these sorts of services as value for money, then go to 533 as Bro Oneonone suggests elsewhere, or better still, go to 12 Bellevue St, you'll get your money's worth !

Your opinion may be shared by many, but judging by the popularity of Ginza, I can say that the majority thinks otherwise !

I think the classifications of the girls at Ginza are based on the popularity of the girls, the feedbacks from her early customers, not on the level of services she provides, if that girl can maintain her popularity after being elevated to the highest class, that says a lot about where the majority of opinion lies !

To me, whether a girl is of pure blood, eg. pure-J, pure-K, mixed blood or whatever, does not add any value to her status, a good girl is a good girl, no matter where she's from !

[heatseeker]

"I don't believe CIM/COF should be the basic service for any level of service, that's not what you pay top dollars for !"

Fair points wilisno, and thats a very valid way to look at things

So where do you stand on DFK ?
Will you pay a premium, as some guys do, and DFK isnt on the menu
As I said before, being with a truly amazingly beautiful WL and not being able to DFK, to me, is the same as licking a plasma screen television as you watch a glamorous movie actress.

[wilisno]

"I don't believe CIM/COF should be the basic service for any level of service, that's not what you pay top dollars for !"

Fair points wilisno, and thats a very valid way to look at things

So where do you stand on DFK ?
Will you pay a premium, as some guys do, and DFK isnt on the menu
As I said before, being with a truly amazingly beautiful WL and not being able to DFK, to me, is the same as licking a plasma screen television as you watch a glamorous movie actress.

To me, DFK is essential, period ! But if I know one girl who doesn't do that, I just don't feel like seeing her, no matter what price she's on !

I also said that might not be the way how Ginza grade their girls, it's not on the level of service, but on her popularity !

[Punter Poontang]

You can say that again, not to mention the different descriptions of her looks. Is she as mentioned not that attractive and briefly mistaken for a transexual or is she as described in other reviews as being beautiful, delicate, a sex maniac with flawless skin? I know beauty is in the eye of the beholder and all those other well used cliches but that's a massive contrast.

She does have a sharp jawline and a biggish nose, especially for a Thai girl .... I can see the slightest hint of where the trains comment came from, but a wet pussy never lies.

I reckon she looks more like Emily from Entourage than any dude I've ever seen:

http://www.girlsfromentourage.com/pics/Samaire-Armstrong-3.jpg

[Massageguy]

Well done Punter pootang,
That is a reasonable likeness.

[noubroz]

All right guys,

Just to let you know I’ve been BLACK LISTED by Wilson.

Yesterday night, right after posting my AR I had a look at Ginza’s rooster to eventually go back there and not staying on a bad note.
So basically I was ready to spend my $$$ even after a bad punt. It means that I didn’t have anything again Ginza, I was just disappointed by the all rank stuff.
I saw that Catherine (mixed blood by the way) was back, so I’ve called Wilson and right away he told me that I couldn’t book any girls from his shop!!! He hang up and sent me a text confirming that he won’t let me come anymore. He didn’t like the fact I didn’t tell him anything after my session. To be honest I wanted to but a guy was standing there and I don’t to be seen by anyone when I go punting. I guess a lot of you will understand me.

I can’t believe it, that’s totally unfair.

I didn’t expect create such a thing by posting my AR.
I just wanted to share my experience, because after all this forum is made for that, to share our sex experiences GOOD or BAD.

I had a bad punt with Dolly, I didn’t find her attractive, I don’t think she gave me what I was expected and maybe my expectation were too high and wrong.

I don’t understand how come Wilson, that I respect a lot by being always so polite and very profesional, can justify the fact of blacklisting me.

I just tried to call Wilson now to have a chat but he doesn’t want to speak to me.

Hey Wilson, can we have chat???

That’s is that’s all.

This forum suppose to be for every punter who want to share their experiences.
I’ve just being banned from a shop because of it, maybe we should banned the shop owner from this forum.

noubroz :(

[hairy1231]

I saw that Catherine (mixed blood by the way) was back, so I’ve called Wilson and right away he told me that I couldn’t book any girls from his shop!!! He hang up and sent me a text confirming that he won’t let me come anymore. He didn’t like the fact I didn’t tell him anything after my session. To be honest I wanted to but a guy was standing there and I don’t to be seen by anyone when I go punting. I guess a lot of you will understand me.



I’ve just being banned from a shop because of it, maybe we should banned the shop owner from this forum.

noubroz :(
well look at your AR, you were pretty harsh at describing the girl tbh...

As a new costumer at ginza, even on my first time with someone that have good reputation and all Wilson asked me how was it and tried to get feedback.
If you were shy because of another punter, why not call(text) him afterward or something before jumping into forum and describing your oh so horrible experience? :/

lol

[heatseeker]

A far from desirable outcome for all parties

I have just worked out a solution - Noubroz, I dont know you, but how about you pay for my next punt at Ginzas ?

Seriously though, I said in another post that business managers also being on the forum was a good thing, in that there is a level of responsiveness to reasonable customer feedback

Im stating the obvious - you cant guarantee satisifaction with each experience, but a business that keep the customer happy in the long run, will by definition be a thriving business

Your post was a very helpful one for a lot of people, and we all learnt good things about Ginza

Im pretty sure that the discussion you prompted, and the 1,223 hits and counting to this point that your post received, allowed a lot of people to understand a lot more about the Class ratings at Ginza

I for one, was much more likely to visit Ginza again after all the discussions

Somehow I dont think Ginzas owes you anything, but they also didnt deserve to blacklist you

Kinda makes me unhappy the manager didnt instead take your money to prove you wrong with your next experience, now that you are more adequately educated as to how Ginza ratings work

[Gucci2012]

So where do you plan on punting now??? A lot of choices in the city with out the "confusing" ranking system. Good luck to you. Any other Ginza customers need clarification?

[Max Impact]

There is a bit of heat here. But my take is that this shows once again the amazing different experiences that punters have with the same girl.

[Punter Poontang]

Noubroz, unlucky. :-(

Sincerest apologies if me pushing the discussion led things that way, FWIW I was mainly referring to the posts of others subsequent to your OP throughout .... and honestly thought clarifying what I understood the class ratings to be reflective of would've been helpful to all.

That said, I also understand Wilson's position. As a regular customer, usually happy with services received and choosing to keep it to yourself (which is cool), I think the right course of action would've been to discuss it with him first before hastily posting a potentially damaging AR here. He's an approachable guy, and even if it wasn't possible right after the session, a call or text soon after would've been the way to go (as suggested by bro hairy).

[GINZA]

Yes, blacklisted you already,

Not because you write a bad AR (I have already shown Dolly this thread), She has got her warning letter, Its a helpful AR that shows Dolly must improve her DFK otherwise she will be demoted or stop working.

But I did asked for your feedback when you leave, you give me a smile and thumb on your way out. Now its totally different.

Every client's feedback is important for Ginza, It will decide the girl will continue or no more. Thats why I ask feedbacks from each client when they finish.



Cheers!

[heatseeker]

Dear Ginza manager

Most readers of this post, 1,402 hits at last count (all potential Ginza customers) will agree the shortcoming described in the review, had nothing to do with DFK

The reviewer was clearly trying Diamond Class for the first time, and had a misunderstanding about what was available

Will readers of this post think more favourably about Ginza if instead the management clarifies the misunderstanding publically, and privately recommends to that customer a better choice for the future ?

[Max Impact]

That's a very positive reply Wilson.

Heatseeker, he is trying to run a business so he asks his customers for feedback.

If they give a thumbs up and then rubbish the business in public they should be banned by him.

[hairy1231]

anyone else think theres 2-3 fake account on this thread? XP

One is created long ago but no post (could be just a lurker that read/check roster)
Another recently joined but seem like an experienced punter (again could be legitimately new to forum)

Hmmm XP

[bigfatkilo]

I found Dolly excellent.

Very genuine, smart and attentive.

Prices are all relative....because in this shop they range from $140 or whatever to $290 per hour... At bluemoon/myoutcall the lowest is $300 up to $400 and LET ME TELL YOU, THE QUALITY GENERALLY SPEAKING AT GINZA IS FAR GREATER THAN ANYWHERE ELSE IN SYDNEY AT THE MOMENT IMHO. I'm not bagging the other escort services because they have their stunners, but they also have had some pretty ordinary ones- ones that would get the silver prices at Ginza.

So the way I look at it, Ginza are honest, have photos and descriptions and even for diamond class, I'm $10-$60 better off than at Blue or Myoutcall. The latter do offer go service, value and are honest, but I'm just saying, prices are all relative!!

Dolly was 10/10, kissing was ok/reasonable, but it was good enough and I respect the girls preferences in any case, DFK or LFK or not. I also ask if they like this or can I do this/that; a bit of respect gentlemen please.

[noubroz]

Wilson,
As I already said, when I left, someone was talking to you at the front desk and I didn't want to interrupt and neither being seen by anyone.
So to make it short and to not create issue in front of this man, I just smiled and waved at you.
I apologise if my description of Dolly was a bit harsh, maybe I should have used different words.
But it's a bit harsh from you to blacklist me just for an AR. I'm quite a regular client and I still want to keep coming see other girl$.
I respect your decision even if obviously I don't agree with it.
Cheers,
noubroz

[billionaire]

To me, DFK is essential, period ! But if I know one girl who doesn't do that, I just don't feel like seeing her, no matter what price she's on !

I also said that might not be the way how Ginza grade their girls, it's not on the level of service, but on her popularity !


Agree. Grading on popularity probably a good way to do it.

But who knows how Wilson grades his girls in details...I find it is kind of based on age and face and rarity (mix-blood) so far, not service or popularity.

[Onepunt]

I apologise if my description of Dolly was a bit harsh, maybe I should have used different words.
But it's a bit harsh from you to blacklist me just for an AR. I'm quite a regular client and I still want to keep coming see other girl$.
noubroz

Bro nounroz. It is not your fault. It comes really personal feeling how the girl looks like. The way Wilson react just make me laugh non stop.

[Onepunt]

Agree. Grading on popularity probably a good way to do it.

But who knows how Wilson grades his girls in details...I find it is kind of based on age and face and rarity (mix-blood) so far, not service or popularity.

How do you feel if someone told you she is mix ( Perth mix Auckland).

[billionaire]

anyone else think theres 2-3 fake account on this thread? XP

One is created long ago but no post (could be just a lurker that read/check roster)
Another recently joined but seem like an experienced punter (again could be legitimately new to forum)

Hmmm XP

Haha, not sure on this thread? We know there are some writers out there. Don't we?

I think this is common. Happens on every forum. I am not surprised.

[billionaire]

How do you feel if someone told you she is mix ( Perth mix Auckland).

Not sure the purpose of your question. Do you mean aussie mix kiwi?

I am a face fan. In my rating system, services sometimes even rank behind face. back to your question, it doesn't matter if she's mix-blood as long as she's pretty. In common sense, mix girls are prettier. But this is not always the case. Below are some instants.

Cassie is my favorite at Ginza (prettiest I think). Dinna (Aussie mix Japanese): the session was good, GFE good, just attractive looking though.

I haven't tried Jasmin (not as pretty as I expect) even though I know she provides nice services (not only good AR here, but also good reputation among my friends).

Now I am going to try Stellar, as one AR says she's like Tsukasa Aoi 葵つかさ (beautiful and innocent). But she's so popular and just work 4-5 hours a shift. Now she only takes one hour booking. I have to make enough money before seeing her. LOL

[Onepunt]

I just want to say. If you are my customer not happy with the service we provided, I will make sure you come again and my girls will fucking suck you dry.

[Oneonone]

Yes, blacklisted you already,

Not because you write a bad AR (I have already shown Dolly this thread), She has got her warning letter, Its a helpful AR that shows Dolly must improve her DFK otherwise she will be demoted or stop working.

But I did asked for your feedback when you leave, you give me a smile and thumb on your way out. Now its totally different.

Every client's feedback is important for Ginza, It will decide the girl will continue or no more. Thats why I ask feedbacks from each client when they finish.



Cheers!

Banning someone because they don't report back to the shop management but write a report or AR is bad business in my opinion.

Does anyone who want to write a good report and not report to you first also get banned.

I doubt it!

Sounds like double standards to me you want to be on this forum then you got to take the good with the bad, all you are trying to do is influence what we punters on here write.

You are trying to control the AR's

[Gucci2012]

I just want to say. If you are my customer not happy with the service we provided, I will make sure you come again and my girls will fucking suck you dry.

Running an imaginary brothel in your head and running one in the real world are two very different things.

[hairy1231]

there are few other bad AR here about ginza, none of them looked like they got banned.

But really look at this one, he smile and thumb up even though he didn't enjoy it just because he was shy of other punter there, but didn't bother to call/text Wilson to explain later. Then writing AR, he describe the girl to look like some trans... (which is very opposite to what other AR describe her ).

Pretty harsh. She is young too, imagine how she feels reading that from someone who acted like they enjoyed her services? human have feeling ya know.
If there was a forum for ML&WL describing their client, doubt you'll punt again if they describe how bad you look or how horrible you treat WL/ML.

Bad AR are fine but degrading the worker and saying that they didn't get what they pay for is not right thing to do. The guy got what he paid for with diamond class according description of the girl found on their website and here (he probably expected alot more).


Next, the bed, after an average BBBJ I was ready to come. I was thinking at 290$ an hour I should do CIM, but guess what? She doesn't no CIM, no COF.
What the hell?! Why is she a Diamond Class???
I was so disappointed, I felt ripped off.
How come, I mean if this girl is a Diamond what is Cassie???
That's crazy right? Or it's just me turning loco???




For those expecting CIM/COF and other extra to be included in diamond class, did you guys came up with the classification or Ginza owner came up with them?:anger:

[Ethanhunt]

Interesting thread.

It's like a good book i couldn't put down.

I think it was well with in the bros rights to post his views. As Wilson said, feedback is important, to us and to the business owner. The fact that Wilson got it through a negative ar I guess puts him on the back foot. He would probably have tried to rectify the issue before you walked away with bad feelings. He seems good that way.

Blacklist was a bit harsh. Goes to show how serious Wilson takes his shop's reputation. Maybe once it cools down you guys can make up again. Can see it from both sides.

[heatseeker]

Ethanhunt, its been a great post, and a lot of good has come out of it
Its certainly shown that you don't always get what you pay for.
I originally felt that CIM is a basic service when you are paying top dollar, but learnt that even Diamond Class isn't a guarantee of CIM. OK fair enough.
That's not saying Diamond Class can't include CIM, we just have to confirm beforehand.
CIM and appearance (which is always SUBJECTIVE) was the actual topic of the post, which then evolved to what actually does Diamond Class cover to justify the higher cost.
The explanation obtained was that Diamond Class women were more beautiful and more popular. Nothing else. Anything else had to be confirmed beforehand.
(For many guys seeing the elaborate rating system and not being able to just go with the flow and trust management, having to confirm exactly what is included, seems confusing. Although others are simply happy with the grading based on appearance/race - and thats fair enough)
What surprised me most, was that sometimes Diamond Class doesnt include DFK.
This subject only came out later, when a punter revealed Diamond Class DFK with some ladies may be an optional extra. This has yet to be denied by the manager, I think the class system makes it optional but am happy to be corrected :)
In my opinion, if you don't have DFK you don't have GFE, and I for one can do better that a premium cost lady who won't kiss me properly.
In that case, and this is just my opinion, no DFK just makes it feel mechanical. Maybe Im so used to making love with GFs previously, where there is decent kissing as standard, that I dont accept compromise at the premium level.
Again we just need to confirm with the manager beforehand

[Oneonone]

Personally I don't see a girl that doesn't Kiss or DFK

However I think its the girls right to decide if she offers this service or not.

If not then it should be made clear that its not in the service.

Some shops offer it as standard others do not if there is a chance that it is expected or considered as included and its not then that should be clarified up front.

If its important to you as the punter then its best to ask and clarify before hand same goes for things like CIM BBBJ, COB etc

About the only thing which is definitely on the menu is protected sex and even then you may only be allowed on shot in the hour so if you want more best to ask is it on offer.

[Onepunt]

Guys，let's give sometime for Wilson rectify the problems.
If you look at it another way, this may be new marketing strategy. Within 72hrs this girl draw 2000+ reviews and 70+ replies (good & bad). Now more ppl Know about Ginza.

[numberonebigsize]

You're obviously talking about me and the childish name-calling is completely unnecessary.

I've already apologised in advance for coming across as defensive, I don't hide I'm a very happy customer of Wilson's and don't want to give any impression of speaking on his behalf. All I've tried to point out is that, imo, punters have clearly had unfounded and unrealistic expectations due to the price point. I've pointed out why I think that, given examples why I think that, and highlighted what I've read as Ginza's official stance on it.

No-one has yet been able to contradict that beyond saying "but, but, but, she costs more therefore she should perform better" .... which is an inherently floored assumption, also for reasons I've previously documented.

I also have a strong intolerance of stupidity in all its forms, and am not afraid to point it out when other guys completely fail to comprehend what has already been repeatedly stated. Sue me.

In light of all that, do you care to point out where I've "unmercifully attacked" anyone?? It's called a discussion, that's what forums are for. If you can't handle differing opinions (mind, mine's the only one with rational justification), then the interweb is clearly not for you.
Mate your last paragraph summarises exactly what i am talking about. Honest A/Rs are the backbone of any forum and without them this whole exercise is pointless. Wilson is a member here who obviously reads the reviews.Accordingly it should be him who is defending his staff,not customers writing favourable materiel hoping to ingratiate themselves with him for queue jumping appointments etc. Remember,he supplies the product,he is responsible for the quality and performance of the product...just like any business and it is this forum that describes Ginza as a well run business. Lets have totally honest reviews which will help us all instead of the gushing essays that abound on here from the Oscar Wilde/Mark Twain/Charles Dickens wannabees.I must admit I log on every day hoping the great Steven Segal has posted one of his legendary reviews. This guy obviously treats his punts as fun,entertainment and just a pastime..He enjoys himself no matter what,not an angry word to be seen. Hey guys loosen up.take a leaf out of his book.

[Gucci2012]

Firstly, I'm not a Ginza customer. As a matter of fact, I've never been to Ginza, so I'm not a die-hard supporter as such !

I don't believe CIM/COF should be the basic service for any level of service, that's not what you pay top dollars for ! If you consider these sorts of services as value for money, then go to 533 as Bro Oneonone suggests elsewhere, or better still, go to 12 Bellevue St, you'll get your money's worth !

Your opinion may be shared by many, but judging by the popularity of Ginza, I can say that the majority thinks otherwise !

I think the classifications of the girls at Ginza are based on the popularity of the girls, the feedbacks from her early customers, not on the level of services she provides, if that girl can maintain her popularity after being elevated to the highest class, that says a lot about where the majority of opinion lies !

To me, whether a girl is of pure blood, eg. pure-J, pure-K, mixed blood or whatever, does not add any value to her status, a good girl is a good girl, no matter where she's from !

Wait a minute I just read your post???? Big bro Wilisno....you have never been to Ginza???? Aren't you the least bit curious about what they have to offer?

[heatseeker]

"Wilson is a member here who obviously reads the reviews.Accordingly it should be him who is defending his staff,not customers writing favourable material hoping to ingratiate themselves with him for queue jumping appointments etc. Remember,he supplies the product,he is responsible for the quality and performance of the product...just like any business and it is this forum that describes Ginza as a well run business. Lets have totally honest reviews which will help us all instead"

At the start of this post, its was purely an interesting discussion on Diamond Class services. I for one was happy to visit again to get a better experience of the place
Then we get news that a reasonable criticism of a place results in being banned.

Still trying to take it all in

[Punter Poontang]

I hope it's been a useful discussion, still feel for Noubroz but understand Wilson's position too. Just wanted to clarify this again:




What surprised me most, was that sometimes Diamond Class doesnt include DFK.
This subject only came out later, when a punter revealed Diamond Class DFK with some ladies may be an optional extra. This has yet to be denied by the manager, I think the class system makes it optional but am happy to be corrected :)


DFK is not an optional extra, it's a standard service at all class levels of Ginza, and as I understand has already been rectified with Dolly.

Some girls have different styles, and of course sometimes it will depend on how you click as to just how passionate the kissing will be. Dolly's kisses were very much at the LFK end of the spectrum in my session, it was the one thing I thought she could improve on after what was an otherwise flawless session .... she was still anything but cold throughout, very service-oriented, great GFE with some PSE highlights.

I mentioned it to Wilson on the way out because he asked more specifically for feedback on her, but I made sure he knew it was an observation of her having a softer style, not a complaint as I still had a great time with her. Even so, it seemed to have been addressed that day, as other punters after me (Gucci for one) said she offered full-on DFK in their session.

Wilson has also confirmed in his post in this thread that she has been spoken to about it, and she's aware that aspect has to improve. That's a great outcome imo, and shows how proactive Wilson is at maintaining the service levels .... which lets face it, is what gives Ginza it's reputation and is why the majority of us punt there.

[Punter Poontang]

Mate your last paragraph summarises exactly what i am talking about. Honest A/Rs are the backbone of any forum and without them this whole exercise is pointless. Wilson is a member here who obviously reads the reviews.Accordingly it should be him who is defending his staff,not customers writing favourable materiel hoping to ingratiate themselves with him for queue jumping appointments etc.

I've made my position and my "motives" abundantly clear. For you to make an assumption and jump to conclusions about it only proves you're a fool.

Besides, almost every poster wants LESS interference from shops, who almost NEVER post in the AR section but for their shameless bumps. Ginza don't resort to that and are often commended as a great advertiser for how they conduct themselves on here .... knowing that, I chimed in.

I've still yet to be proven wrong and believe the discussion has proved useful. You're still yet to answer my question about where I "unmercifully attacked" anyone .... won't hold my breath waiting for that answer, good luck finding it. :-)

[noubroz]

There is truth in every thread of all this conversation.

The point is now that I actually didn't do anything wrong. As mentioned numberonebigsize "Honest A/Rs are the backbone of any forum and without them this whole exercise is pointless." and for that I'm now blacklisted, that's crazy.

This AR had generated a little buzz around Ginza, maybe Wilisno might have a go too ;) So you see Wilson you might have new customers because of the all thing. So please get me out of this silly blacklist and let me go back, I'm the on spending the $$$.

[heatseeker]

"Besides, almost every poster wants LESS interference from shops, who almost NEVER post in the AR section but for their shameless bumps"

Can I politely disagree?

Many here welcome, when a business clears up any misunderstandings, thus ensuring punters book appropriately. The main input from Ginza read by all, did seem to be a swift negative reaction to a frequent punter.

[wilisno]

This AR had generated a little buzz around Ginza, maybe Wilisno might have a go too ;) So you see Wilson you might have new customers because of the all thing. So please get me out of this silly blacklist and let me go back, I'm the on spending the $$$.
Haha ! This is another proof that punters can't be annoyed enough to boycott a shop, as long as they can provide good girls, they'll be back !

So all those talks of boycotting shops that are serial spammers are actually negligible ! ;) ;) ;)

[IExperiment]

There is truth in every thread of all this conversation.

The point is now that I actually didn't do anything wrong. As mentioned numberonebigsize "Honest A/Rs are the backbone of any forum and without them this whole exercise is pointless." and for that I'm now blacklisted, that's crazy.

This AR had generated a little buzz around Ginza, maybe Wilisno might have a go too ;) So you see Wilson you might have new customers because of the all thing. So please get me out of this silly blacklist and let me go back, I'm the on spending the $$$.

Let me spell it out to you Wilson wanted you to be upfront with him instead complaining on the forum is as simple as that. He does not like back-stabber like me got that :) or he feel that he was backstab as you told him all ok but than you complain as he would prefer to fix it there and than, so I suggest you take it easy and give it a week and try again as we all have miss-understanding sometimes. Were all individual and sees things differently.

[IExperiment]

"Besides, almost every poster wants LESS interference from shops, who almost NEVER post in the AR section but for their shameless bumps"

Can I politely disagree?

Many here welcome, when a business clears up any misunderstandings, thus ensuring punters book appropriately. The main input from Ginza read by all, did seem to be a swift negative reaction to a frequent punter.

I actually prefer the Ginza way in advertising and I dont wanted to speak for other punters.

[heatseeker]

Wilisno, are you going for your first Platinum Class soon ?

[wilisno]

Wilisno, are you going for your first Platinum Class soon ?
All in good time ! ;) ;) ;)

[Gucci2012]

Mate your last paragraph summarises exactly what i am talking about. Honest A/Rs are the backbone of any forum and without them this whole exercise is pointless. Wilson is a member here who obviously reads the reviews.Accordingly it should be him who is defending his staff,not customers writing favourable materiel hoping to ingratiate themselves with him for queue jumping appointments etc. Remember,he supplies the product,he is responsible for the quality and performance of the product...just like any business and it is this forum that describes Ginza as a well run business. Lets have totally honest reviews which will help us all instead of the gushing essays that abound on here from the Oscar Wilde/Mark Twain/Charles Dickens wannabees.I must admit I log on every day hoping the great Steven Segal has posted one of his legendary reviews. This guy obviously treats his punts as fun,entertainment and just a pastime..He enjoys himself no matter what,not an angry word to be seen. Hey guys loosen up.take a leaf out of his book.

So your saying members who do AR's for Ginza are fake and long winded and they do it because Ginza management lets them que jump??? You can prove this how exactly? That's the biggest load of sh*t ever.

[heatseeker]

I'm still waiting some form of clarification of the following
If someone makes a booking and is told that for that lady, a certain service is provided, such as DFK, can a Platinum lady still refuse that service if she doesn't like the guy?

[Punter Poontang]

Can I politely disagree?

Many here welcome, when a business clears up any misunderstandings, thus ensuring punters book appropriately. The main input from Ginza read by all, did seem to be a swift negative reaction to a frequent punter.

Only if you're polite. ;-)

Nah, I get what you're saying, and apologies I didn't phrase that well. There have been plenty of examples of other shops ignoring complaint threads and not posting to clarify .... which I agree is poor form.

I think it's great user "GINZA" posted in here, what I meant is that they have a very low profile here so I thought it unlikely they would comment. At the same time I was never trying to speak on their behalf, just posting what I understood to be the case with classes / service standards.

[wilisno]

I'm still waiting some form of clarification of the following
If someone makes a booking and is told that for that lady, a certain service is provided, such as DFK, can a Platinum lady still refuse that service if she doesn't like the guy?
I'll say yes. But the right way to do it should be offering you some sort of compensation, a discount or a change of girl !

[Gucci2012]

There is truth in every thread of all this conversation.

The point is now that I actually didn't do anything wrong. As mentioned numberonebigsize "Honest A/Rs are the backbone of any forum and without them this whole exercise is pointless." and for that I'm now blacklisted, that's crazy.

This AR had generated a little buzz around Ginza, maybe Wilisno might have a go too ;) So you see Wilson you might have new customers because of the all thing. So please get me out of this silly blacklist and let me go back, I'm the on spending the $$$.

I hope your not desperate like other guys who got blacklisted and start begging to come back then when that fails start making text bookings via different numbers(new sim cards, borrowing friends Mobile phones) and then show up like nothing happened only to be rejected at the door.

[Punter Poontang]

So your saying members who do AR's for Ginza are fake and long winded and they do it because Ginza management lets them que jump??? You can prove this how exactly? That's the biggest load of sh*t ever.

He also suggested taking a leaf out of another punters book in posting AR's while having contributed ..... oh wait, how many?? lol

[wilisno]

I hope your not desperate like other guys who got blacklisted and start begging to come back then when that fails start making text bookings via different numbers(new sim cards, borrowing friends Mobile phones) and then show up like nothing happened only to be rejected at the door.
I can't see why Ginza doesn't want to take noubroz back, after all this happenings, it only works to Ginza's benefit to take him back !

[heatseeker]

This post originally was about a punter and a lady.
The confusing thing to me with the Ginza ranking system is it seems that the wrong person got blacklisted

[Gucci2012]

I can't see why Ginza doesn't want to take noubroz back, after all this happenings, it only works to Ginza's benefit to take him back !

Wilson treats all his customers with the gentleness of Velvet Gloves which is how all businesses should treat customers...but sometimes Velvet Gloves need to step aside for an Iron Fist to send a message.

"What's the message?": feedback to management is serious and not "silly" business.