Syd99 gets a mention in the Sydney Morning Herald!

[The Fonz]

I feel a crackdown is coming.

http://www.smh.com.au/nsw/new-redlight-zone-as-illegal-sex-trade-expands-north-20131116-2xnlb.html

[Sextus]

I don't go to massage places, but I know the SMH's claim they are cheaper than licensed FS shops is wrong. If you progress to FS in one of the masssge parlours doesn't it work out to at least $120?

[Licker]

I feel a crackdown is coming.

Could be so, but then again it might not happen.
Every once in a while the newspapers decide to run an article that reeks of christian moral contempt with quotes like


And, two years after they were ordered to shut down to prevent the exploitation of women, Fairfax Media can reveal 15 illegal brothels continue to operate daily from the same premises across Chatswood, Willoughby and Artarmon.

Concerns have also been voiced about the emergence of a series of restricted adult forums where thousands of ''punters'' not only review sex workers but share tips and stories on how to ''crack'' illegal Asian workers who will not have sex.

Aren't these words describing the situation so full of moral contempt (though coming from Seage, he's just looking after the interests of his employers)
"to prevent the exploitation of women"
the exploitation of women is a bit overkill as in Australia I don't think there's many girls, who are being exploited.
They get a very good compensation for what they do and no one is forcing them to do it.

"stories on how to ''crack'' illegal Asian workers who will not have sex"
All I've seen on the forums, is people saying that you need to be patient and build a relationship with the ML before asking for extras.
No one is cracking anyone. It's still the girls decision what services she wants to provide.

Chris Seage is riding full on with the word "illegal" and mixing it with the morals.
As if it is any more harmful (I don't think there's any harm done) for the school children to walk past a massage place than a legal brothel.
Possibly the same services, so how is the one without the proper DA more harmful to the kids than the one that is a licensed brothel????


On one Pacific Highway corridor, three sit within just metres of one another. One of those, VIP Bodycare, is directly above a furniture store.
Why is this news now???
The shop has been there for at least 10 years and apart from Seage and the writer of the article, it has not bothered anyone.

"directly above a furniture store"
Oh my God! Think of all those poor furniture buyers who have been traumatized by visiting a shop under a shop.
Would it be ok if it was under the furniture shop?
Or would it be ok, if they had a DA to operate as a brothel? Would the effect on the furniture shoppers be somehow different?
Personally I don't think any of the furniture shoppers have ever had any grief or even knowledge of the shop upstairs.



If the councils would issue DA's to operate as a brothel to anyone who wants to operate (in a location that is within the perimeters defined by law), then we would not have this issue or discussion.
Free market would shut down those that are not viable.


I fucking hate double standards. Even more so, when there is a law that advocates them!

[rage_face]

In nearly every case, these explicit, degrading evaluations read the same.

Does this bring objective light onto what we do here, or do you still think what we do here is right? If so, would you have concerns over revealing your true identity?

[B-man]

I have a sneaking feeling that these councils are not too concerned about these places as for one it off the streets. Another thought is it's not really hurting anyone and these businesses are quite sedate, no gangs, drugs or 'hard core' illegal behaviour (well I don't think so anyway).

Probably another reason is many operate as legitimate businesses and go under the radar with the Christian groups.

[heatseeker]

I agree with you Licker

Shoot yourself in the foot, Sun Herald

http://i953.photobucket.com/albums/ae11/messenger386/Shootyourselfinthefoot_zps9164b1b8.jpg

The fact that the Sun Herald explicitly names a number of forums has the be the most stupid, reckless and counterproductive action I have seen from a newspaper in 2013

By broadcasting publishing the names of the forums to entire Sydney population via the newspaper, we expose children and minors to what are legitimate and legal but adults only web sites

Irresesponsible journalism in the extreme

As I state later on in this thread, its also highly damaging that this journalist disparages a possible legitimate business (Thai Massage), for the sake of creating a headline, and selling a few more newspapers, and creating public alarm (schoolchildren photographed walking past a Thai massage business)

The Sun Herald photo on page 10 includes a photo of a likely legitimate Thai massage business, withe the map direclty underneath titled "Illegal brothels operating at Crows Nest"

Im all for the very few investigative journalists left in Sydney (maybe 5 ?) to look at illegal and underworld crime.
I do take my hat off to this journalist for at least*using investigation skills to create an investigative piece. He is a journalist I respect. Someone who challenges my intelligence, not diminishes my intelligence by catering to the lowest intellect subjects. Laura Bungle article anyone?

Im not for reckless sensationalist journalism.

If anyone frequents this Thai Massage business photographed in the article, and it is indeed a legal business, get them to talk to their lawyers.

[B-man]

What happens to me if I am with a girl when council visit the shop?

A threesome maybe......:startle:

Or an all expenses paid trip to Silverwater.

[rage_face]

What happens to me if I am with a girl when council visit the shop?

A special appearance on Today Tonight lol.

[aussiegaigin]

What happens to me if I am with a girl when council visit the shop?

The Council can't just walk in and close the place down, arrest the owner or the girls. They can only do it by legal process. which is their stumbling block to success.

Your only worry might be if there is an immigration raid on illegal workers, and that it is not likely to happen on mainstream shops.

[aussiegaigin]

Those poor school kids being exposed to "moral danger" by walking past a Thai Massage shop.

I wonder how many cigarette or liquor shops they will pass on the same journey?

[Gus_Sin]

I thought all or most of the shops mentioned/advertised here on the forums were licensed shops. I'm actually quite surprised there are so many unlicenced places. Not that it matters but how do you tell? For example, is Willoughby 533 licenced? Ginza? Kyoto?

On another note. Now that we are mentioned in this article I expect there will be a flood of new users :miao:

[Divine]

Those poor school kids being exposed to "moral danger" by walking past a Thai Massage shop.

I wonder how many cigarette or liquor shops they will pass on the same journey?

Very true aussiegaigin :smile:

[asiafever]

A friend of mine who is a fed has said generally punters are just told to get dressed and go in the rare instance of a raid. Really they aren't too interested in us. Only if it's a situation where drugs are concerned then we get dealt with a hit harsher.
Illegal brothels operate no different to any other business.
In a certain suburb in the hills they kicked up a major stink when a brothel applied to operate legally, but I know at least 50% of the 'legitimate' businesses in the same spot never applied for a da or change of usage etc. It's quite farcical. Residents objected to the brothel on account of all sorts of bullshit reasons, yet have no dramas with their kids going to an education centre a couple of doors from a pub.

[wilisno]

What happens to me if I am with a girl when council visit the shop? Cum quickly or miss out ! ;) ;) ;)

Kidding ......

[Bracket]

The council has no interest in whether girls are being "exploited" or their immigration status. Nor does it care about punters. All it is concerned about is whether the premises has development approval to operate as a brothel.

Conversely, the police (acting as muscle for the Immigration Department) have no interest in whether the premises has development approval to operate as a brothel. All they are concerned about is the girls' immigration statuses. They are equally likely to raid any business that employs immigrants, whether it is has council approval or not.

[aussiegaigin]

I thought all or most of the shops mentioned/advertised here on the forums were licensed shops. I'm actually quite surprised there are so many unlicenced places. Not that it matters but how do you tell? For example, is Willoughby 533 licenced? Ginza? Kyoto?

On another note. Now that we are mentioned in this article I expect there will be a flood of new users :miao:
Many of the shops that advertise here are approved by the local council for "massage only"; they do not have to be licenced. There is something of a grey area as to when a "massage" becomes a sexual service, which is exploited to the limit.

Shops that are brothels require specific council DA, and should have a licence or approval number displayed in the shop and in advertising.

Anyone who has studied the Japanese sex industry always gets a laugh when they read that advertising/providing vaginal sex is illegal, but anal sex is not.

[aussiegaigin]

The council has no interest in whether girls are being "exploited" or their immigration status. Nor does it care about punters. All it is concerned about is whether the premises has development approval to operate as a brothel.

Conversely, the police (acting as muscle for the Immigration Department) have no interest in whether the premises has development approval to operate as a brothel. All they are concerned about is the girls' immigration statuses. They are equally likely to raid any business that employs immigrants, whether it is has council approval or not.
The police have no direct interest in immigration status either, they are just along for the ride with the Immigration people.

Also on a pedantic note, the people they are after are not "immigrants", but visitors working outside their visa status.

Councils will often work to together with police and Immigration to expose "suspect" shops and get some publicity in the media. This usually results in more business for the shops, which the public might not have known about.

[Sergaent Brody]

I am devastated that my name did not get a mention in the paper. As a veteran member who regularly does doubles, I deserve to have some totally baseless and unfounded allegations made against me ...

Shame!

[The Fonz]

I think the way the law may be changed is the Council in conjunction with the Police will issue a shut down order if suspected activity doesn't comply with planning regulations.
They will put a big sticker notice (like on vehicles involved in car accidents) the entrance and inside (maybe in every room?) of the premise notifying users of the shut down order. It will be an offence to remove to notice.
The owner will then have to go to court and appeal to convince a magistrate nothing of a sexual nature is happening. - good luck with that. There maybe an allowance/system to fast track appeals.
If the shut down order is beached, the owner & workers (maybe even punters?) are subject to arrest.
Landlords/Building managers will be held to account too by not evicting/locking out premises.
A ban on printed advertising in the newspapers & classifieds (News Limited comes to mind) - I understand Victoria already has a ban.
Ban on printed advertising will hurt the illegal industry.
They cannot do much with online classifieds, and discussion forums like this one. Only that if a discussion forum like this one provides a very good source of intelligence and evidence of illegal operators.
8 or 9 pages of discussion over a period of many months by many people on Syd99 about what goes on in a massage parlour won't look good when presented to a magistrate.

By doing all of the above, you would eliminate 99% of the establishments in NSW within a very short period

[heatseeker]

Yes Sergaent Brody, I too am annoyed the Sun Herald didnt go further

Dont stop at naming just about every forum that is available on the internet, for all Sydney newspaper readers far and wide, to now access

How about also publishing a list of legitimate business names, and addresses, and including a map, so all Sydneysiders can see just how widespread the legitimate businesses of massage and full service are.

I just visit legal, full service businesses, I couldnt care less about illegal operations - close them down

It is a fact that every woman that I meet in this industry earns more per hour than the average Sydneysider, certainly more than me - a lot different to the situation in poorer countries.

I have a high regard for journalists, for their hard work, for ever reducing pay

Journalists have a very valuable role to play in exposing corruption in our political system.

But by highlighting the P4P industry, they only serve to increase its patronage

The big no no was informing every Sydneysider regardless of age, the names of online communities which by their nature deal with adults only content. Not for the eyes of minors. A big lol

Can the Sydney Morning Herald provide another front page headline, and another listing of all the available website forums, to all Sydney readers, every 3-6 months, including my 12 year old neighbours ? Responsible journalism indeed.

http://i953.photobucket.com/albums/ae11/messenger386/Shootyourselfinthefoot-smaller_zpse86a570e.jpg

[tpol]

Maybe we should close the forum and only allow the current registered users access. I. E no public viewing

[aussiegaigin]

I highly doubt any unlicensed shops advertise here as it would be and open and shut case for authorities.

Refer to post #21 below.

[Punter Poontang]

I have a high regard for journalists, for their hard work, for ever reducing pay


I have zero regard for their ever reducing intelligence and integrity, and don't buy hard work for a second now that "research" mostly involves copying & pasting what some mong posted on Facebook or Twitter, deeming that newsworthy and ramming it down our throats.

Journo's are just one rung higher than real estate agents and used car salesman on the scumbag food chain .... it's all about sensationalism and getting that extra web traffic these days, so unfortunately by posting the link here all we are doing is endorsing such poor journalistic standards with every additional click.

[heatseeker]

Punter Poontang, as you know I am a gentleman, and my weakness is that I see the good in all ; )

However, I agree with you that journalism has become much more lazy and mindless

Each time a media outline puts out "brain numbing, intelligence dumbing" stories including the Kardashian family; every time they pay for paparazzi to hound famous people irresponsibly' or everytime journalists fail to bring the current government to account, journalism fails us all

In the last few years, we have seen newspapers swallow the spin that they are fed by the politicians

Good bye accurate and critical reporting of the government. Hello personality politics.

Most journalists and newsreporters wouldnt know GDP, gross domestic product, from GST. And it shows

It is widely reported that newspaper business is going under. News Corp recently reported that its newspaper division is floundering

It is a genuine worry that newspaper and online editors think they can just copy and paste from overseas reports, and everyone will be happy

The analogy is local Australia TV drama content. Australians actually like local Australian drama !

Journalists also have a responsibility to go out and find new local stories, and not simply rely on copy and pasting from overseas for the bulk of their publications, which seems to be current practice

If I want dodgy, intelligence compromising crap news from the USA, I just have to use the internet ; )

[PhoBot]

I'd say all the article has achieved is a readership boost to the review sites, and maybe encouraged a few guys who didn't realise there are so many knock shops in their area to go out for a punt.

[wilisno]

I'd say all the article has achieved is a readership boost to the review sites, and maybe encouraged a few guys who didn't realise there are so many knock shops in their area to go out for a punt.
Maybe Chris Seage's activities are partly funded by the sex industry ? The licensed ones at least !

[heatseeker]

Couldnt agree more PhoBot

This is the actual front page headline for todays Sun Herald
"Brothel Boom. The leafy lower north shore is the new red-light capital of Sydney"

Then it goes on to mention the internet forum sites by name

Children and teenagers everywhere have today been given front page publicity which websites to visit to learn about the pleasure industry

Not so sure thats a good thing. Good one Mr Journalist

[heatseeker]

Good one wilisno
Im sure the journalist isnt funded by the Institute of Common Sense, thats for sure

[heatseeker]

Sydney is certainly sexy, CrazyMonkey.

We are blessed to be in a city of plenty

Sex sells, and underpins tourism.

No shortage of guys from Brisbane and elsewhere ask me when they can come down to visit our lovely state

They want to visit legitimate businesses, who will provide them with a quality service

The industry will continue to flourish while it continues to offer a great business service

[heatseeker]

True story, I have a friend from Thailand, who is allowed to work <20 hours a week to fund her study

She studies in Sydney, and pays our country more than $3000 for an education

She works at a purely massage Thai business, and although I never go to visit her at work (embarrassing for both of us), I have experienced Thai massage before, and it is a legitimate and amazing form of massage

I am upset that this journalist at the Sun Herald disparages a possible legitimate business (Thai Massage), for the sake of creating a headline, and selling a few more newspapers, and creating public alarm (schoolchildren photographed walking past a Thai massage business)

[pro_seeker]

I suspect that the article was planted by the owners of the review websites to drive traffic and boost membership numbers!! :P

[heatseeker]

By the way Sun Herald, the second of your three front cover major headlines for today is:

"Mark Latham. Why I love The Bachelor"

Maybe journalism is headed for the dogs after all

http://i953.photobucket.com/albums/ae11/messenger386/Dogs_zpsaaebc127.jpg

[B-man]

I have to say compared to 10 years ago there was no where near the amount of massage places there are today.

I wasn't punting 10 years ago so maybe I am wrong but I see alot more now. The cheap influx of students and cheap labour and easy work for girls has changed the scene in Australia.

Am I right? Your thoughts?

[wilisno]

Give me some quality local news, something inspiring or informative, and then its a different story

Sounds like Syd99 ! :miao:

[heatseeker]

Touche, wilisno, touche

You are EXACTLY right

Far far far more investigative reporters on here than the Sydney Morning Herald and Daily Telegraph put together, and that is the absolute tragic truth

You win the Walkey Award for 2013

http://i953.photobucket.com/albums/ae11/messenger386/WalkleyAward_zpsaa9489e4.jpg

[Punter Poontang]

Having said that, there has been a massive proliferation of shops in recent years, and the market can't possibly sustain this. So, over the next year or two, there will be a natural market correction with quite a few closing down from natural attrition.

Or perhaps it indicates the demand is there and councils should just realise that and make the licensing process easier.

Better to keep the industry well-regulated and above board than over-react to sensationalist garbage like this article.

[heatseeker]

Punter Poontang

The demand is there, and its growing too, including with our interstate friends who want to visit Sydney for the 'night life'

I read recently that Asian tourists, when they come to Australia dont just want to see the cuddly koala, or go to the Outback, but they want to also stay in comfortable surroundings and receive hospitable service

May I suggest a better use for the new James Packer, Barangaroo casino building ? ; )

[PhoBot]

Oh, and another thing

True story, I have a friend from Thailand, who is allowed to work <20 hours a week to fund her study

She studies in Sydney, and pays our country more than $3000 for an education

She works at a purely massage Thai business, and although I never go to visit her at work (embarrassing for both of us), I have experienced Thai massage before, and it is a legitimate and amazing form of massage

I am upset that this journalist disparages a possible legitimate business (Thai Massage), for the sake of creating a headline, and selling a few more newspapers, and creating public alarm (schoolchildren photographed walking past a Thai massage business)

So a second backhander to the journalist, for disparaging photo of a legitimate business

My thoughts exactly. If it turns out that Thai place in the photo is legit, they would have a strong case for defamation.
Remember what happened to ACA showing footage of non OMCG motorcycle riders in a OMCG story.. million$

[heatseeker]

PhoBot, you are totally correct

Perhaps if anyone here is a customer of this legitimate business, they can inform the business that there is may be a case to sue for defamation

The money obtained would fund an extension to the place, so more people can be given useful employment

After all, the photo is directly above the statement "Illegal brothels operating in Crows Nest"

Maybe we should call one of our lawyer friends

[wilisno]

Coincidentally, the newest member of Syd99 as of now is called Herald ! :miao: Hope he's not from the beloved newspaper !

Hi ! Welcome to Syd99 !

[heatseeker]

Keep your eyes and ears open wilisno. We have a lot of new members today ; )

Maybe we can all start a class action for the legitimate massage parlour, photographed and published on page 10 of the Sun Herald, above the statement "Illegal brothels operating in Crows Nest"

Where do we spend the legal court settlement money ; )

Syd99 bites back !

[PhoBot]

Touche, wilisno, touche

You are EXACTLY right

Far far far more investigative reporters on here than the Sydney Morning Herald and Daily Telegraph put together, and that is the absolute tragic truth

You win the Walkey Award for 2013

http://i953.photobucket.com/albums/ae11/messenger386/WalkleyAward_zpsaa9489e4.jpg

I think you made an error, I've corrected it for you.

You win the Wankley Award for 2013.

[heatseeker]

Wikipedia:
The annual Walkley Awards, under the administration of the Walkley Foundation for Journalism, are presented in Australia to recognise and reward excellence in journalism

Syd99:
The annual Wankley Awards, presented to Syd99 members with excellent investigative talents
Each winner gets honorary employment with Sydney Media outlets, to make up for the shortfall in proper investigative journalists in their news departments, due to budget cutbacks

[aussiegaigin]

I have to say compared to 10 years ago there was no where near the amount of massage places there are today.

I wasn't punting 10 years ago so maybe I am wrong but I see alot more now. The cheap influx of students and cheap labour and easy work for girls has changed the scene in Australia.

Am I right? Your thoughts?

I have been frequenting MSs for quite a few years now. Many of the shops i used 10 years ago have gone, or have upgraded to legal FS places. But new ones have opened up. Back in the old days the standard was full nude + HJ for around $50/30 mins, $90/60 up front to the shop; none of this negotiating for extras in the last 15 minutes.

Just from observing the classifieds in the telegraph, the numbers of MS advertising has dropped considerably over the last 3 or 4 years. Not sure whether the shops have closed, or just find referrals from forums like this to be more cost effective.

[Punted-till-Munted]

Where is Theo best massage parlor for FS?

[CunningLinguist]

Could be so, but then again it might not happen.
Every once in a while the newspapers decide to run an article that reeks of christian moral contempt with quotes like



Aren't these words describing the situation so full of moral contempt (though coming from Seage, he's just looking after the interests of his employers)
"to prevent the exploitation of women"
the exploitation of women is a bit overkill as in Australia I don't think there's many girls, who are being exploited.
They get a very good compensation for what they do and no one is forcing them to do it.

"stories on how to ''crack'' illegal Asian workers who will not have sex"
All I've seen on the forums, is people saying that you need to be patient and build a relationship with the ML before asking for extras.
No one is cracking anyone. It's still the girls decision what services she wants to provide.

Chris Seage is riding full on with the word "illegal" and mixing it with the morals.
As if it is any more harmful (I don't think there's any harm done) for the school children to walk past a massage place than a legal brothel.
Possibly the same services, so how is the one without the proper DA more harmful to the kids than the one that is a licensed brothel????


Why is this news now???
The shop has been there for at least 10 years and apart from Seage and the writer of the article, it has not bothered anyone.

"directly above a furniture store"
Oh my God! Think of all those poor furniture buyers who have been traumatized by visiting a shop under a shop.
Would it be ok if it was under the furniture shop?
Or would it be ok, if they had a DA to operate as a brothel? Would the effect on the furniture shoppers be somehow different?
Personally I don't think any of the furniture shoppers have ever had any grief or even knowledge of the shop upstairs.



If the councils would issue DA's to operate as a brothel to anyone who wants to operate (in a location that is within the perimeters defined by law), then we would not have this issue or discussion.
Free market would shut down those that are not viable.


I fucking hate double standards. Even more so, when there is a law that advocates them!

Well said!
Do the so called illegal ones save much money by not getting a license ?

[wilisno]

Well said!
Do the so called illegal ones save much money by not getting a license ?
Obviously. It's because it's so hard to get a license, like a taxi plate, so to buy one would be expensive.

[CunningLinguist]

No shortage of guys from Brisbane and elsewhere ask me when they can come down to visit our lovely state

They want to visit legitimate businesses, who will provide them with a quality service


Poor Brisy guys, I feel sorry for them, hopefully Sydney won't get tightned up too much as a result of this article.
The guys asking to come down, are they friends who stay at your place or something, otherwise they could come down anytime ?
They probably wouldn't want to come down during winter though too cold for them!

[aussiegaigin]

Well said!
Do the so called illegal ones save much money by not getting a license ?
I don't think it costs much money to get a licence, other than paying all the application fees to the local council. However if you are illegal and the council successfully shuts you down you could lose all the money you put into the set up.

[The Fonz]

I have to say compared to 10 years ago (1998-2003) there was no where near the amount of massage places there are today.

I wasn't punting 10 years ago so maybe I am wrong but I see alot more now. The cheap influx of students and cheap labour and easy work for girls has changed the scene in Australia.

Am I right? Your thoughts?

I would have to agree, there seems to have been an explosion of massage places in Sydney. ...............Especially the type with the LED signs flashing "Open"
Shops named "Pretty Baby Massage" instantly bring the impression they are no strictly professional massage.
Either there are many more people with bad backs, commercial rents are cheap, labour costs are cheap, or something else is driving the explosion.

[The Fonz]

I don't think it costs much money to get a licence, other than paying all the application fees to the local council. However if you are illegal and the council successfully shuts you down you could lose all the money you put into the set up.

I would think many of the illegals are in for a quick $$$ buck, rent a very low tier commercial shop, minimal investment, couple of massage tables and bush carpentry or curtain dividing rooms, no shower. You know the type of place.
As business is done in cash they wouldn't be paying a lot of tax either.
Owner gradually takes the cash back home overseas or keeps it at home under the mattress.

[davoderulo]

Am I the only one who will probably be giving the North Shore a miss for the next month.

One reason is that it will be packed following the article today with a whole new batch of punters

and the second is that, I fear I could be interrupted mid session by the cops.

I have seen the signs showing 'legality' at most of the places I go to, but how can you really be sure?

[CunningLinguist]

Part of the article said

The owner of XXX Australian Reviews did not respond to questions from Fairfax Media.

Hmm, the auxxx admin has a different story to tell. (http://auxxxreviews.com/forum/f35/mainstream-attention-22575/#post106691)

[CunningLinguist]

Some interesting stats here (http://auxxxreviews.com/forum/f35/mainstream-attention-22575/#post106696)

[CunningLinguist]

Eamonn was a silly Duffer here: Corby family awarded $50,000 in damages (http://www.afr.com/p/national/corby_family_awarded_in_damages_Z40rPaBsxUt5AiWMOy Mi0J)

[Punter Poontang]

Part of the article said

Hmm, the auxxx admin has a different story to tell. (http://auxxxreviews.com/forum/f35/mainstream-attention-22575/#post106691)

What'd I tell ya's?? Journo's are shitcunts, hope someone dobs him in to Media Watch.



Eamonn was a silly Duffer here: Corby family awarded $50,000 in damages (http://www.afr.com/p/national/corby_family_awarded_in_damages_Z40rPaBsxUt5AiWMOy Mi0J)

I see what you did there. :-P

[Sextus]

Eamonn was a silly Duffer here: Corby family awarded $50,000 in damages (http://www.afr.com/p/national/corby_family_awarded_in_damages_Z40rPaBsxUt5AiWMOy Mi0J)

The bogan Corby family have made a fortune in "reputation" damages payouts. They are are as quick to sue as Clive Palmer. They loved getting the high hundreds of grand from Channel nine's 60 minutes and now another 50K for some stupid bullshit Santa photos. It is a quick and easy buck, when they aren't profiting from selling themselves to magazines. Wait until the other one gets out of jail, you haven't seen anything yet!

[lockhart]

ATO may have vest of interest - to recoup "Lost Revenue" to lower Debt Ceiling raises needed - esp when it be made aware that these shop owners are driving luxury cars... and living in prestige suburb..


Obviously. It's because it's so hard to get a license, like a taxi plate, so to buy one would be expensive.

[dodgybastard]

Coincidentally, the newest member of Syd99 as of now is called Herald !

Hahhahahahaha!