One or Many? A different year of punting

[fli]

2013 has been a different year for me and also a year where my punting bill actually halved. It has been however a fun year with a lot of sexy girls who I have enjoyed.

One question that is intriguing me at the moment: is it better to have a single regular shop or to have a number of occasional places. In 2012, I was much more in the one shop camp but this year has been almost the complete opposite with my trying out ten or so shops and not settling on any one.

One thing that has come clear from this experimentation is that each shop has its own slightly different flavour – some shops don’t work well for me but might be ideal for others. I really don’t want to bag out any place but thought I might share my impressions of the places that I’ve been with this year. Almost all of them I would return to but none of them has settled as a regular place.

At the beginning of the year I sampled Yamada’s TMC a few times – I’m not sure if it is still operating since I haven’t contacted them for a while. It was similar to the definitely now-defunct Japan Escorts which I used to use some years back. (In fact one girl I met at TMC had worked for JE before.) Unlike with Japan Escorts, however, management never seemed to pay me any attention and I never felt I could become a regular. The girls on the other hand were great: all Japanese and very sexy, giving good exciting service. The trouble is that its in-call place was too cramped and it is much better suited for outcall. The names of the girls was also an irritant – I found names like “Buttyko” or “Gpop” off-putting – I believe there was even a girl called Sheep but that was before my time.

I mentioned in an earlier place the Roseville 104 Pacific Highway shop where I renewed my acquaintanceship with the magnificent Julie and Emma as a doubles pair. I note a later post that suggested a change of management and possibly the departure of one or both but for me the only issue with the place has been its location which is too far from work in the city. As a brothel, it is on the surface at least one of the best maintained. Would be a great place to go if I worked in Chatswood.

Similarly, 533 Willoughby provided a girl who gave excellent service and was very pretty to boot but the place is just a little too far to go to – especially since it is very busy and I had to wait about 30 minutes for a girl even though I had booked ahead. It is reasonably priced from recollection. For anyone in the region highly recommended.

In Surry Hills, I tried 359 Riley a number of times and had some great successes and a few lesser moments. Two superstars were Yuki and Sakura – both gave incredibly good service – Yuki (despite her name) is Chinese and possibly the wilder with Japanese Sakura more restrained but incredibly skilful. (I cannot guarantee they work there still.) Some other girls were very by-the-book and gave minimal services. Popular and reasonably well-maintained, I would say 359 is a place to visit but check out about which girls to select.

Also in Surry Hills there is 204 Commonwealth which is reasonable inside and surprised me by having a Western man on reception. The place itself was not bad. I went twice - the first time I had a sweet Japanese girl who gave reasonable but not exciting service but unfortunately the second time I saw a Thai girl who was so abysmal that I’ve never wanted to go back – she wouldn’t even do a covered blowjob and had an attitude that I should get hard and cum very quickly with as little effort from her as was physically possible. It is not fair to blame a place for the occasional poor service – possibly the girl didn’t like me at all. Based upon reports by others, I would suggest to visit 204 for yourself – I might go again but certainly won’t choose that girl!

Finally in the Surry Hills area I tried 12 Bellevue, a place I used to visit over ten years ago. (Was sorry to see any old haunting ground of 15 Bellevue has gone.) It is cheap! Although many of the girls are quite a bit older and some are not at all to my taste, there are a number of pretty girls and I have always received hot service. Last time I went I saw a girl called Nana who was very good – except that her English was almost non-existent. Her service was however good enough for me to want to see her again sometime. It is however rather run-down – I wonder if they are using the same furniture as when I came 10 years ago? It is a bit of a rabbit warren and some rooms are quite poor. It would be great for those on a tight budget or patient at hunting up the best girls.

Away from Surry Hills, I was in Burwood recently and tried out 57 George St. Success! A lovely sexy girl who gave great service at a reasonable price – I wish I could remember her name! The place itself was a little off-putting with flashing lights even in the room. (Christmas decorations?) It seemed ok but not as well kept up as 204 Commonwealth or 359 Riley. Definitely would visit if I am in the area again. I had tried out another place at 10 Railway St, Burwood previously but it is staffed by a group of Westerners who really weren't to my taste.

On the more R&T side, I have tried Mastigge, Silver Fox and Sunshine Massage- all competent but not quite my scene. Mastigge was the more sensual for me and has the great advantage that I was offered a shower beforehand. I prefer to be clean for a girl – even for a massage.

This is a pretty reasonable description of a year of punting – much quieter than last year - but I have omitted a couple of special girls I saw who are not now working publicly.

Each of the places I visited has its selling points and my description is only one impression – always interested to hear dissenting views. I am still looking for that ideal place:

• Convenient to the CBD.
• Welcomes middle-aged slightly overweight Westerners.
• A variety of girls who provide good service.
• Management that values a customer who can spend and will genuinely reward good service.

Any suggestions? Maybe then I will become a regular client of somewhere again.

But perhaps not being a regular of any place is the best way to punt?

[Oneonone]

If your enjoying not being a regular at any particular shop then just keep doing what you are doing.

If however you like to see the same girl regularly and you see her at a particular shop then go for it. I find being a regular the girls all get to know you and believe it or not the girls do talk so if your a regular and you treat the girls right they all chat to you and want to see you so you usually get good service.

And the mamasan or papasans get to know you and usually try and make sure you get a girl that suits you and are more likely to look after you.

I like going to a regular shop but keep my options open and try different ones now and then.

[wilisno]

Punt around or stay in one shop, there's no better or worse, right or wrong, do whatever pleases you !

From what you described above, you're not into higher end establishments, otherwise, in the CBD, you should try out 5* Wooloomooloo, Ginza and MOC.

[waynekerr]

One question that is intriguing me at the moment: is it better to have a single regular shop or to have a number of occasional places.
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Variety is the spice of life.

Regards, WayneK.

[harmony]

I loved your thread fli, seriously one of the best I have read on AUS99

Im relatively new, and I have been reading back forum threads to the start of the year

Most threads on here are written by people with a lot of experience, so all the basic questions dont get discussed

I am fascinated by the number of good value, high quality places that are opening

In this forum, I want to read discussions also about how to enhance our punting times in general

Threads like your excellent one complement the other excellent AUS99 After Report threads

From my early discussions, a few people have told me to start slow, start simple, and I agree with that. I am practicing this advice for my first few months

So getting to your original point, its a fascinating question.

I have been to two places, and both have taken care of me, made me feel like a valued customer or friend, and not a stranger.

If I find value and I feel like a valued friend or customer, then thats all I need.

Obviously I dont turn up at really busy times, and expect to be welcomed warmly, by busy mamasans/papasans

But the two places I have visited at quieter times, on my first time in the place, have made me feel comfortable and respected as a customer, both in their attitude and their recommendations of ladies for me

Variety is the spice of life, both with WL and parlours, and so I will gradually try different parlours, but only return if Im allowed to feel like a friend not a stranger

Mamasans/papasans that tell me the truth, dont stuff up my bookings, and introduce me to nice punts not dud punts, will have a permanent customer

[fli]

Punt around or stay in one shop, there's no better or worse, right or wrong, do whatever pleases you !

From what you described above, you're not into higher end establishments, otherwise, in the CBD, you should try out 5* Wooloomooloo, Ginza and MOC.

Higher end is fine -in fact I have been at times to a few very up-market places - but I only go where I'm welcome and have found some places less welcoming of a overweight middle-aged Westerner.

[wilisno]

Higher end is fine but i only go where I'm welcome and have found some places less so.
You'll be very welcome at those shops !

[harmony]

Fli, more punts from you pretty please

I suspect a lot of guys on here are on your wavelength but are too shy to post alongside the regular forum members

Your thread is different because you covered a lot more of the advertisers on here, who also may offer excellent service

Im new here, but it seems just the same 3-4 full service places get all the reviews and praise

Its good to shine a light on all parlours providing great ladies and service, not just the same 3 - 4

[fli]

You'll be very welcome at those shops !

I am glad to hear that - I guess I am over-cautious about some of the shops around town having been made to feel second class by being excluded from seeing many of the best girls at one shop because they don't see Caucasians and quite some time back, having received an obscenity-laden abusive text message from another when it was found I had contacted a rival shop. (Although I was called a "sun of a beach" at one point in the message and that did cheer me up!)

But I am sure none of the shops you are mentioning would do such things and so I appreciate your advice.

[wilisno]

I am glad to hear that - I guess I am over-cautious about some of the shops around town having been made to feel second class by being excluded from seeing many of the best girls at one shop because they don't see Caucasians and quite some time back, having received an obscenity-laden abusive text message from another when it was found I had contacted a rival shop. (Although I was called a "sun of a beach" at one point in the message and that did cheer me up!)

But I am sure none of the shops you are mentioning would do such things and so I appreciate your advice.
If a girl doesn't see Caucasian, it's the individual girl's choice, it doesn't reflect the shop's welcoming attitude towards you !

[harmony]

If the girl doesnt see Caucasian, I agree, that is the ladys choice. No argument

Its no reflection on the parlour - Im happy if a parlour or agency is successful in employing any lady who is hot stuff. Thats their primary role

On the other hand, I feel so glad the Asian ladies I have seen have never rejected me outright !

Although at some of the lineups, you do sense a lack of chemistry from some, and that may just be they are tired

But my main point is, I therefore would prefer FS parlours, where the ladies really arent so fussy about race/ethicity

[fli]

Of course the individual girl has the choice. But I have found that management can institutionalise and encourage a group of girls to have that attitude and that is the feeling I got at one place - I won't go to any place that has policies based upon race. I have been consistent on this and when I started punting many years ago and there were fewer Asians and most of the girls I saw were Westerners, I avoided some shops (and girls) after I was told they didn't like and wouldn't serve Asians or Indians or middle Easterners even though I was not in any way excluded. Each client is a person and there are some very awful clients from each racial group - these are the ones the shop should be excluded and not whole races.

This is my philosophy but I'm not optimistic it is widely shared. I can, however, select on the back of it.

[harmony]

Interesting experience fli, with the whole racially selective unspoken policy

If you read some of the posts on here about Japanese parlours and agencies, and probably Korean and other Asian places, Caucasians are just not served at all

Getting back to your point, I have no problems with a lady only exclusively dealing with one ethnic group, and not my ethic group

But I am even more happy with the laid back, carefree Asian lady, who couldnt give a stuff about what race I am

Thankfully, in my so far limited experiences, both guy and working lady left their attitude at the door

[fli]

Harmony, it sounds like you are going to a well-managed shop!

[harmony]

Im not that familiar with many places in Sydney, but am learning

I went to 533 and that was great management

I went to Bellevue - yes, I found out that is the lower end of the market scale
I came one early evening without booking, and a lady opened the door, and let me in, her name was Coco
I still dont know if I was speaking to the manager or a working lady
I asked Coco which ladies were available - she had no idea what I was asking, so she must have been a working lady
The manager didnt come to answer the door, so I walked out, since I wasnt able to deal with the person who answered the door that night
Nothing bad to say about Bellevue, just must have been the timing

[fli]

Bellevue is a bit chaotic - need to walk in to the main room and wait a little while until the more aggressive girls get their words in and then scan the periphery of the room.Never met the manager but haven't been there that often. 533 seems well-managed and very popular!

Just to be clear, the place i had trouble with being Caucasian was not somewhere I mentioned nor was it anywhere i have been more than a couple of times. I guess I sound like I have a bee in my bonnet but when over 20 years ago, I saw my Asian ex-wife being refused service at a shop, I became no longer a theoretical but an active opponent of racial selection in any direction.

[harmony]

Ok fli, I have had Asian girlfriends in the past, but never thankfully had that experience

May I ask what kind of store she was refused service, and was this in Australia ?

Sorry, just trying to understand this attitude a little more

[AHLUNGOR]

Bellevue is a bit chaotic - need to walk in to the main room and wait a little while until the more aggressive girls get their words in and then scan the periphery of the room.Never met the manager but haven't been there that often. 533 seems well-managed and very popular!

Just to be clear, the place i had trouble with being Caucasian was not somewhere I mentioned nor was it anywhere i have been more than a couple of times. I guess I sound like I have a bee in my bonnet but when over 20 years ago, I saw my Asian ex-wife being refused service at a shop, I became no longer a theoretical but an active opponent of racial selection in any direction.

Which part of Asia did your wife come from ??

[Oneonone]

I think that years ago we were educated by our parents that Asians were a to be avoided this I think was brought about by their dislike for the Japanese.

Since then well I can only speak for myself but I used to not see Asian ladies mind you there weren't that many around and one day I saw an Asian lady the first thing she said to me is you come here lots and never pick an Asian.

I said to her well I picked you if you don't want to see me that's fine there is the door. I saw her 159 times until she left to marry an Aussie.

Many years later I met another Asian lady and then she moved to an Asian shop since then I have found Asian ladies to be so lovely I have not seen a non Asian lady for about 7 years now I just love Asians.

As for 533 Angie is a good manager she doesn't always get it right but she tries hard and has the best interest of the customer and girls at heart.

Running a shop like 533 or any budget shop ($150) is hard work the girls that work there in most cases are late 20's or older they want to earn lots of money for the time they are there so balancing punters and girls is a challenge particularly if punters book and don't turn up.

[harmony]

Great post Oneonone, and an amazing story !

I dont like stereotyping nationalities, so all I will say is that if you give me any lady, and she gives me good service at a great price, then Im happy !

Assuming chemistry is there ... if she is giving and not indifferent to me, then what more can a man ask ?

I dont care if she is Caucasian, from Asia, or from the planet Venus

Just one question Oneonone - what was it about her that you went 159 times, was her services excellent or what in particular made you come back over and over. A lot of ladies could learn from this

[Oneonone]

Great post Oneonone, and an amazing story !

I dont like stereotyping nationalities, so all I will say is that if you give me any lady, and she gives me good service at a great price, then Im happy !

Assuming chemistry is there ... if she is giving and not indifferent to me, then what more can a man ask ?

I dont care if she is Caucasian, from Asia, or from the planet Venus

Just one question Oneonone - what was it about her that you went 159 times, was her services excellent or what in particular made you come back over and over. A lot of ladies could learn from this

She was nice and her service was better than I was used to from non Asian ladies.

[harmony]

Ok, lets assume this lady is now gone forever
So if you met a lady just like her today, would you spend a lot of time with her too, or have your tastes changed since that time ?

[Oneonone]

Ok, lets assume this lady is now gone forever
So if you met a lady just like her today, would you spend a lot of time with her too, or have your tastes changed since that time ?

Oh I tend to find a lady I like and stay with her as a regular I still see other girls occasionally.

I saw Jenny at 533 (Sammy at 64) 87 times until she went off and married some guy and decided not to work any more.

At present I have seen Ada 33 times Lily 14 times Shelly and Sara 14 times and will see all of them again but just now if Lily is available I see her first choice, there are others that I like and would see again.

But when I was first punting I tended to just see my favourite 99% of the time, these days I see other girl as I decided after Jenny best not to get too serious.

Remember at the end of the day you are only just another job to the girls. This can be a hard lesson to learn.

[harmony]

Yes Oneonone, great advice.

I also dont care to see a specific lady too much to get her to know me - although as you say, thats possible - because there are just so many interesting women to meet now, and the quality these days is so high

I also can tell when I ring up parlour managers, they have very short memories of who you are, which is a great reminder to me that the women too probably wont remember you either unless you see them fairly often

Sticking with one women to me seems to be counterproductive, but then again I havent met the wonderful ladies you have ; )

I remember one lady at 553 said to me after seeing me only once before "I missed you". I dont read anything into that

-- After all, these lovely ladies see more guys in one day that the average man sleeps with in a lifetime --

[Oneonone]

Yes Oneonone, great advice.

I also dont care to see a specific lady too much to get her to know me - although as you say, thats possible - because there are just so many interesting women to meet now, and the quality these days is so high

I also can tell when I ring up parlour managers, they have very short memories of who you are, which is a great reminder to me that the women too probably wont remember you either unless you see them fairly often

Sticking with one women to me seems to be counterproductive, but then again I havent met the wonderful ladies you have ; )

I remember one lady at 553 said to me after seeing me only once before "I missed you". I dont read anything into that

-- After all, these lovely ladies see more guys in one day that the average man sleeps with in a lifetime --

These ladies see lots of customers I keep a record of every lady I see, what amasses me is the number I have seen after only seeing them once or twice and they can actually tell you when you saw them last and how many time you have seen them.

[harmony]

True Oneonone, I can imagine a lady recognising your face, and remembering if you have met once or twice before

I read on here that lots of ladies who are a persons 'favourite' leave the place permanently, and that is a fact of life

For that reason, I realised that my favourite one week will be my 'favourite' memory the next

533 sounds like quality - they keep good quality ladies for a long time - and so a more long term connection can be built up

This is both good and bad haha ; )

As we all know, the main thing is that punting should be 'fun', with no serious feelings or attachments

As Buddhist teaching says, attachment is often a source of suffering

[wilisno]

As Buddhist teaching says, attachment is often a source of suffering

If you're a Buddhism follower, you should be abstinent from sex ! :miao:

[harmony]

wilisno, thankfully im not a Buddhist !

But Buddhist teachings have a few interesting points to make, would you agree

Have been to a Buddhist country, and a lot of them wish they had Christmas with the lights, the carols, the food and the presents !

[Licker]

Have been to a Buddhist country, and a lot of them wish they had Christmas with the lights, the carols, the food and the presents !

What's stopping them?

Christians adopted an old pagan holiday in the 4th century.
The original (or should I say originals) was around the shortest day of the year (on Northern hemisphere) and the celebration was for the beginning of the new growth.
They had the food and the presents, the lights naturally were "slightly" different, and I believe there was some singing too :)

[harmony]

Good point Licker. Nothing stopping them adopting the Pagan celebration

Half the carols are pagan, with no mention of religion or prophets

"Jingle Bells"
"Deck the halls with boughs of holly"
"Santa Claus Is Coming to Town"

But "Silent Night", "Away in a Manger""Oh Come All Ye Faithful""Little Drummer Boy""The First Noel""Hark the Herald Angels Sing" are unmistably Christian
Even the word Christmas is Christian, so fair enough, the word Xmas can be used if people like

[markrmau2]

Do any shops offer a loyalty discount?

It would be good if my favorite did. After visiting a series of dives in my area I found a real diamond in the rough and have been back about 4 times. Unfortunately each time a different mamasan / papasan, so they don't see me as a regular.

Some sort of card which they could stamp off with a little set of labia after each visit would do the trick. I'd still tip the girl unlucky enough to be on the freebie shift of course....

[D-93]

Do any shops offer a loyalty discount?

It would be good if my favorite did. After visiting a series of dives in my area I found a real diamond in the rough and have been back about 4 times. Unfortunately each time a different mamasan / papasan, so they don't see me as a regular.

Some sort of card which they could stamp off with a little set of labia after each visit would do the trick. I'd still tip the girl unlucky enough to be on the freebie shift of course....

I'm pretty sure some do give you a card where after x times you get a discount on the next one.

[AHLUNGOR]

Do any shops offer a loyalty discount?

It would be good if my favorite did. After visiting a series of dives in my area I found a real diamond in the rough and have been back about 4 times. Unfortunately each time a different mamasan / papasan, so they don't see me as a regular.

Some sort of card which they could stamp off with a little set of labia after each visit would do the trick. I'd still tip the girl unlucky enough to be on the freebie shift of course....

Most of my favourite shops do offer loyalty discount, just ask the Mamasan for a card: Stanmore, Snow Lotus, Silver Fox, QVB.......etc .

Btw, the massage girl will not be short changed when she is serving you on your 30 min freebie: the shop will pay for her usual cut which is only $15/$20 ! But it's worth $35/$40 to you!

You still have to pay for the usual tip though !

Cheers

[Gucci2012]

Fli didn't you used to be a Tokyo Cats regular???? What happened?

[Oneonone]

Higher end is fine -in fact I have been at times to a few very up-market places - but I only go where I'm welcome and have found some places less welcoming of a overweight middle-aged Westerner.

Are you describing me bro? Sounds like it, I have never had any problems but I do tend to see older girls say 25 plus I think you are more likely to find a problem with the really young ones.

You would be most welcome at 533, 64 or Kellys I am sure.

[harmony]

Yes Oneonone, 533, 64 and Kellys sound inviting

[vvillie]

I find it humorous that some consider 25 an older girl. Makes me feel like an old man hehe

[harmony]

Haha, yes, perceptions of age do vary !

I visited a parlour recently and a lady older than 50 year old answered the door, in lingerie

[fli]

Just in answer to a few questions - my ex-wife was Japanese and she was refused service at a coffee shop in the Sydney CBD. This was many years back as I mentioned and probably the refusal would not be as overt nowadays. Still it was hurtful at the time to her.

Oneonone, I appreciate your recommendations - I guess I need places nearer the city -As commented I have been to 533 and the only thing holding me back is the time getting there and back.

[fli]

I did forget to mention a couple of other exploits over the year. I posted earlier in the year asking about Seeking Arrangements - it didn't work out for me - you really need to be both time-rich and money-rich, I could probably afford the financial side of some girls but the time side was the killer - lot's of spoiling seems to be the need of most of the advertisers.

I also tried an up-market private escort ($750++) for one hour. Let me just put it this way - her photos although recent were perhaps over-flattering and it was not such an exciting experience. To be fair, there was nothing misleading in what she said and with the benefit of hindsight, I could have interpreted the photos correctly. It emphasise a core part of the industry - caveat emptor!

[astro boy]

Higher end is fine -in fact I have been at times to a few very up-market places - but I only go where I'm welcome and have found some places less welcoming of a overweight middle-aged Westerner.

I really appreciated your Girls of Ginza thread and it was a great resource before Hoshimooney's Ginza Ultimate index, still is.
I was wondering what led you to move on from there, have you gone since the move.
Just curious.

Oh and welcome back.

[harmony]

fli
I have had some more time to think about your excellent thread

Due to the wonderful number of advertisers on here, I have been motivated to spread my wings, and see what the talent is like elsewhere
Thank you to the great management at many of these parlours, for finding such terrific talent !

Im like a boat looking for a safe harbour. Finding a parlour with disrespectful ladies or management is like dealing with a storm, and best avoided entirely.

There is always a range of women, who vary in the quality of their service

From women who treat you like an unwanted guest, to those who look in your eyes, stare lovingly, and make you feel like a king with their service

And believe me, this is all at the budget range

There are just too many safe harbours for this little boat

For me, the best bit of advice I got so far is "start simply, start humbly, and find your feet first; no need to start too extravagantly"

I think I have found my feet now, and am exploring which places will be my regular bases for 2014

I am a very loyal customer, and my favourite places in 2013 saw me many times

"Treat me well, because I treat your ladies well
Please treat me well, and I will treat your business well
Treat me like a stranger, and I will never return"

[looser]

fli
I have had some more time to think about your excellent thread

Due to the wonderful number of advertisers on here, I have been motivated to spread my wings, and see what the talent is like elsewhere
Thank you to the great management at many of these parlours, for finding such terrific talent !

Im like a boat looking for a safe harbour. Finding a parlour with disrespectful ladies or management is like dealing with a storm, and best avoided entirely.

There is always a range of women, who vary in the quality of their service

From women who treat you like an unwanted guest, to those who look in your eyes, stare lovingly, and make you feel like a king with their service

And believe me, this is all at the budget range

There are just too many safe harbours for this little boat

For me, the best bit of advice I got so far is "start simply, start humbly, and find your feet first; no need to start too extravagantly"

I think I have found my feet now, and am exploring which places will be my regular bases for 2014

I am a very loyal customer, and my favourite places in 2013 saw me many times

"Treat me well, because I treat your ladies well
Please treat me well, and I will treat your business well
Treat me like a stranger, and I will never return"

Wise words. I too have been a loyal customer. I may not post very much, but have very regular customer at a few shops. I always hate endings, but it seems like it is time to move on. Sail some new seas. Explore different lands. Life is a journey and not a destination (even though I have hoped for a particular destination, it seems that life has made choices for me). There is a saying that I quite like - "life is what happens to you while you are making other plans". Well, my plans have totally failed, and now I am a lonely old bastard. Sorry for the unhappy post, but too much wine, too much time alone and too many failures are taking their toll.