What to do?

[Jerry10]

After reading the recent raid down the coast. Surely it's gonna happen up here sooner or later.
So what does one do laying there naked when they storm in?
Is it illegal to be naked?
Or during the flip they storm in with YOUR pistol pointing at them.?
Or worst the ML is naked.
Do the shops have a contingency plan?

Don't know if anyone has thought about this before but is there a plan of attack if this were to happen?

[Heisenberg]

I've been thinking on this as well.. it is only a matter of time I believe..

My MLs all lock the room door when they get naked which should give you enough time to get dressed, other than that it is not illegal for the punter to be naked, most massages (legit as well) are done naked.

Deny everything if they ask you, obviously. Your ML will likely have been told the same by the owner, they're already secretive as it is.

[brownwallaby]

first thing they'll check is your flag pole. if you get a boner no matter what you say they'll get you :slobber:

[ecchi.gaijin]

I have been caught in a police raid at a strip club before. Police will take down your details so best not to have ID on you. Similarly parking your car in the carpark would mean your licence plate would be recorded.

From memory the law states that merely being at a premises that is known to give illegal prostitution is in itself an offence, so whether your massage was legit or not is only relevant with regards to what they charge you with.

Further to the last point, assuming they monitor these forums they potentially already have our names on file from our internet service providers.

[CunningLinguist]

first thing they'll check is your flag pole. if you get a boner no matter what you say they'll get you :slobber:

They will need to photograph it for evidence, so they can present the evidence in court.

Please take the stand Mr Punter.
Now sir is this your cock ?

[ABCguy]

This is where our tax money goes, trying to catch people getting handjobs in a massage shop.

[Heisenberg]

(1) A person who, without reasonable excuse, is found in, or leaving after having been in, a place suspected on reasonable grounds of being used for the purposes of prostitution by 2 or more prostitutes commits a crime.

Although I hardly think that this is going to be an easy one to prove.

As we all know, the shops use cash only for tips which means no records and no tax man. You're hardly likely to admit anything and nor is your ML.

In all the prosecutions I can find under this law, they have applied only to private unlicenced knock-shops like the one that used to be run out of a house in Logan.

Getting a HJ (very common) is no different under the law to her getting naked, so there is no extra risk of further charges there.

Having said all that - I will be giving all the shops a swerve for the next few weeks but I wont be replacing them with brothels out of protest. Brothels offer a shit product, get mad when people don't want it and demand the police step in to safeguard their monopoly. It's wrong. Lobby the government for changes to the services you can provide or accept no one wants to pay for that except truckies.

[Vitality]

I guess this is all part of the risks involved that comes with punting and certain situations need to be considered on an individual basis. It might be a bit naïve but for me but I see it in some ways as an added thrill to the punting experience... for example a naked ML lying on the massage table with me naked on top of her both of us knowing full well the door is unlocked and anyone could walk in at any given moment... this type of situation has to get the heart racing a little... right ?

[danenth]

Of course this is a hypothetical situation. These sorts of qoings on would never really happen.

[memememe]

the Gold Coast police are gearing up for the games so they are making a point. probably some complaint by someone with money who didnt like their wife knowing where they were when they were supposed to be on the beach with the kids...
the GC coppers are looking at links between Bikies, Russian organised crime and massage shops.... and believe me there is one..... I suggest stay away from the GC shops..

It is illegal to be on an unlicensed premises being used for prostitution. Prostitution is defined as a a sexual act performed for money... not just sex but any sexual act.
Naked, dressed or in full coitus, your still committing an offence by being on site.

that said, I cant imagine the coppers being too interested in the punters. its usually the owners they are chasing.....

meanwhile make sure they use the magnifying lenses on the camera...... nothing worse than being in court and ......

Mr Punter, I now show you photo exhibit number 17...... can everyone now use their magnifying glasses.... Mr Punter is that your penis in the photo?

[ecchi.gaijin]

"that said, I cant imagine the coppers being too interested in the punters. its usually the owners they are chasing..... "

There are 2 ways to get at a business owner, catch them in the act and arrest them or harrass their clients so they lose business. They might not be looking to make arrests with regards to punters but they may still target us in other ways.

[Kangaroopointer]

I remember when they raided qj they busted in on old guy on table with ml naked ml got deported for expired visa and customer had to go court and got 50hrs community service plus standing in court where everyone can here what he got up to!!

[BrainSex]

and customer had to go court and got 50hrs community service plus standing in court where everyone can here what he got up to!!

This is the benefit of a free society. We have courts, not just shooting at random or locking people up without charge.

The good things about community service is there might be a few unfortunate girls doing community service and maybe he could hit on them.

[Blue-Marvel]

privates ml for awhile i guess....
which gold coast shop got done?

[popeye96]

privates ml for awhile i guess....
which gold coast shop got done?

Nearly 50 between Coomera and Coolangatta according to the article.

[Vitality]

Of course this is a hypothetical situation. These sorts of qoings on would never really happen.
Umm... yeah

[cocktus]

the Gold Coast police are gearing up for the games so they are making a point.

what games? if commonwealth 2018... that's still moons away

[FangBanger]

Well personally I hope all the the guys who are cheap and go to a massage shop in Queensland expecting more than advertised or illegal services get what they deserve. It is called illegal for a reason and I could make comparisons to other illegal acts but i'm sure i'll have punters gettin their nose out of joint and talking about how other illegal acts are much worse.

The fact is you know it is illegal and even if it is no comparison to drinking and driving etc. it does not matter to me.

[madcow50]

I've never been one for visiting massage shops - I have always preferred full service - though I have been thinking about it recently. If anything the recent raids have raised my curiosity. Besides - sounds like a good time to go - its not likely they would be raided again so soon and the shops would be quieter than normal - perhaps a customer will be more appreciated...
BTW - did anyone hear if there were any pinches resulting from the raid or was it just a media exercise?

[cocktus]

67 arrested here

http://www.news.com.au/world/asia/welcome-to-dongguan-chinas-revealing-capital-of-sleaze/story-fnh81fz8-1226826188989

[ecchi.gaijin]

67 arrested here

http://www.news.com.au/world/asia/welcome-to-dongguan-chinas-revealing-capital-of-sleaze/story-fnh81fz8-1226826188989

That article is from a raid in China, not the Gold Coast lol

[ecchi.gaijin]

- its not likely they would be raided again so soon and the shops would be quieter than normal

50 shops got raided back in November last year, pressumably the same shops. From memory the November article was referring to gangs travelling to SE Asia to recruit staff, and the more recent article refers to imigration violations. My guess is that they are going after them in the easiest way possible (immigration). Once the shops start employing staff in a more legit way they might start looking for other ways to harrass them. I expect actual prostitution would be the last resort as it would be the hardest to prove. Having said that, I think punters should keep in mind that if an ML on a visa is threatened with deportation she is most likely going to tell the police what they want to hear.

[Kangaroopointer]

Personally I think they should hit brisbane as quite few dodgy shops around who pretty much offer everything , and give other shops bad name . I have my special shop where I go on regular basis who provide good service good massage and I don't have to worry about any raid

[Heisenberg]

Personally I think they should hit brisbane as quite few dodgy shops around who pretty much offer everything , and give other shops bad name . I have my special shop where I go on regular basis who provide good service good massage and I don't have to worry about any raid

If you're going for an RnT, it is no different under the law to FS in a massage shop. Both under the Act are defined as prostitution (oral included).

So you're going to jail too, Amigo.

[Kangaroopointer]

Not me mate the one shop I go I just get legit massage with great girls and bit of chat.. If I want other stuff I would go brothel

[ecchi.gaijin]

If you're going for an RnT, it is no different under the law to FS in a massage shop. Both under the Act are defined as prostitution (oral included).

So you're going to jail too, Amigo.

Private RnT is legal, it falls under the same classification as a solo WL. The only additional specification is that she can't refer to massage at all, that is why most of the WLs refer to "relaxation" instead of saying masssage.

[cocktus]

I have my special shop where I go on regular basis who provide good service good massage and I don't have to worry about any raid

Which shop you are talking about Kangaroopointer? care to share?
People may need to flock there now....

[Heisenberg]

Private RnT is legal, it falls under the same classification as a solo WL. The only additional specification is that she can't refer to massage at all, that is why most of the WLs refer to "relaxation" instead of saying masssage.

Private, yes, but not in a shop which is what this thread is about.

Under Chapter 229E of the Criminal Code the Meaning of prostitution:

(1) A person engages in prostitution if the person engages, or offers to engage, in the provision to another person, under an arrangement of a commercial character, of any of the following activities:
(a) sexual intercourse;
(b) masturbation;
(c) oral sex;
(d) any activity, other than sexual intercourse, masturbation or oral sex, that involves the use of 1 person by another for his or her sexual satisfaction involving physical contact.

Which, as the shop is not licensed, becomes unlawful prostitution as the ML ceases to be a single sole operator.

[Tk001]

Hopefully a lady cop is in the raid and sees u barred up and likes what she sees then finishes you off. Ohh what a fantasy

[Jerry10]

If a waitress at a restaurant gave u a BJ/HJ or sex in the bathroom because she wants you so bad. then when you pay the bill you tip her for her waitering skills not for the bathroom action.

Is this still prostitution?

[ecchi.gaijin]

If a waitress at a restaurant gave u a BJ/HJ or sex in the bathroom because she wants you so bad. then when you pay the bill you tip her for her waitering skills not for the bathroom action.

Is this still prostitution?

It could be argued that yes she was prostituing herself. Any time there is money and sex in proximity to each other, there can be a case for prostitution argued