Sensational Transformational Budget from Joe Hockey, well done Joe........

[AHLUNGOR]

One more point, when the phone tapping scandal with Indonesia was exposed, Tony Abbott stood up and took the blames and acted like a Prime Minister!

He could have easily pass the bulk and blame it on the previous government when the spying actually took place. He didn't !!

Now draw a comparison in the way they handle the budget mess !!

To blame someone else is no use, to fix the problem and move forward is the way!

Just my two cents

Cheers

[AHLUNGOR]

And I got a song for the people:

First Cut is the Deepest !

[greybeard_]

you keep missing the point ahlungor

the debt problem wasnt caused by the labor government spending too much mobey it was causes by a fall in government revenues

imagine you are the sole income earner in your household. You have a decent salary and your family becomes use to a good quality of life. Suddenly your income drops substantially but your family continues to live the same lifestyle. To cover the cost you must borrow money

its the sane thing. australia must now face the reality of reduced revenues portraying the rudd / gillard government as irresponsible big spenders is not fair.

[M3]

Agree most of the debt problem is a fall in Commonwealth tax revenues caused by lower mineral prices and the previous government having to stimulate the economy post GFC...

My main concern is that if the Libs pull too much money out of the economy via their cuts it could push Australia close to a recession..

One good thing about giving walfare to the less fortunate is that they will spend every cent thus indirectly stimulating our economy.

What is the real cost of a government handout of say $1 as only the $1 is measured and not the benefit that $1 generates in other areas which will include some revenue back to the government.

Is the real cost of that $1 to the government $1 or something closer to 10 cents after that money is spent and respent throughout the economy??

Now the Libs came in promising an infrastructure boom but as yet I can see little evidence of this happening.

There has certainly been a lay-off boom since they came to power and phase two will be their effort to drive down wages.

All this means under the Libs, if they get their way, we will be working for less and paying more for government services.

Again my concern would be the more spending power is reduced the greater the chance of a recession.

I think the Libs take,if in power,during the GFC was to let business fail but that strategy could very well have presented a situation worse than what we have now debt wise.

Either way our future lifestyle seems certain to be under downward pressure..

Regarding the phone-spy issues I thought we were just covering for the US NSA there.

The Snowden revelations of NSA operations certainly put the US government in damage control and has cost US multinational business billions..

[SmilingGiraffe]

And I got a song for the people:

First Cut is the Deepest !

I'm really getting to like you Ahlungor.....and now you like Cat Stevens songs, even better.

Good onya...

[JC1]

I say block block block! Bring on the election and let the people decide

[waynekerr]

Yep, people need to remember that this "budget" has nothing... as in ZERO to do with any budget emergency (which doesn't exist) or need to get our affairs in order.

It is about ideology, pure and simple.

That ideology being that if you are rich then you deserve everything, people should be grateful to you for any rotten scraps you throw at them and you shouldn't have to help anyone, whereas if you are poor, sick or disabled, you have no one to blame but yourself and you should hang your head in shame.

This is shown most clearly in the new Higher Education plans, where people who are intelligent, but poor, will miss out University places, while if you are a rich dumbass you can simply buy your degree :(

Liberal donor personally recommended Tony Abbott's daughter for scholarship.

Les Taylor, the chairman of the Whitehouse Institute of Design board of governors, personally
recommended the prime minister’s daughter for a $60,000 design degree scholarship, and has also
made donations of more than $20,000 to the state and federal Liberal party.

Frances Abbott was only the second recipient of the "chairman's scholarship", according to the
institute's chief executive.

A spokeswoman for the prime minister confirmed that Frances Abbott was a recipient of a
scholarship at the institute and said it was awarded as a result of her "application and art portfolio".

She said disclosure of the scholarship by the prime minister on the parliamentary register of
interests was "not required"

Wanna vomit?

I lifted this from “The Guardian, Australia edition” http://www.theguardian.com/au which is a
centre right publication with more balanced editorials than the claptrap we are served generally. It
does have a wide spectrum of reader comments however.

I didn't think I would contribute to this thread much more but I just couldn't let this one go
unnoticed.

WayneK.

[wilisno]

This is what I don't understand at all, people should be angry and point their fingers on the government who put the country in this situation in the first place !!

When Kevin Rudd took over government in 2007, we were in a comfortable surplus position, who put us in this shit hole today where we have to cut, cut, cut ???



You really have no idea what's going on Ahlungor ! Have you heard of GFC ?

If Kevin Rudd did nothing back then, Australia wouldn't have escaped the impact unscathed. If instead he did the Cut Cut Cut at that time, we would be in real trouble by now ! Not the beat up trouble !

It's not a theory, the whole world agreed he did the right thing and was the direct result to get Australia out of the GFC !

[M3]

Can anyone remember when Abbott had to take a pay cut after loosing his minister-ship after Howard was defeated in the 2007 election..

I remember he cried poor and said he had difficulty paying his mortgage but I cannot find past references to this(mainly to the sheer number of hits on Google since he became PM).

Can anyone remember this and possibly find reference to this on the net?

I am sure those who will be effected by the proposed budget cuts would "savour" this information.

The one thing with any politician is their bipartisan-ship in anything to do with self preservation...:vomit:

[wilisno]

Agree most of the debt problem is a fall in Commonwealth tax revenues caused by lower mineral prices and the previous government having to stimulate the economy post GFC...

My main concern is that if the Libs pull too much money out of the economy via their cuts it could push Australia close to a recession..

One good thing about giving walfare to the less fortinate is that they will spend every cent thus indirectly stimulating our economy.

What is the real cost of a government handout of say $1 as only the $1 is measured and not the benefit that $1 generates in other areas which will include some revenue back to the government.

Is the real cost of that $1 to the government $1 or something closer to 10 cents after that money is spent and respent throughout the economy??

Now the Libs came in promising an infrastructure boom but as yet I can see little evidence of this happening.

There has certainly been a lay-off boom since since they came to power and phase two will be their effort to drive down wages.

All this means under the Libs, if they get their way, we will be working for less and paying more for government services.

Again my concern would be the more spending power is reduced the greater the chance of a recession.

I think the Libs take,if in power,during the GFC was to let business fail but that strategy could very well presented a situation worse than what we fact now debt wise.

Either way our future lifestyle seems certain to be under downward pressure..

Regarding the phone-spy issues I thought we were just covering for the US NSA there.

The Snowden revelations of NSA operations certainly put the US government in damage control and has cost US multinational business billions..
Excellent post ! ;) ;) ;)

[wilisno]

Liberal donor personally recommended Tony Abbott's daughter for scholarship.

Les Taylor, the chairman of the Whitehouse Institute of Design board of governors, personally
recommended the prime minister’s daughter for a $60,000 design degree scholarship, and has also
made donations of more than $20,000 to the state and federal Liberal party.

Frances Abbott was only the second recipient of the "chairman's scholarship", according to the
institute's chief executive.

A spokeswoman for the prime minister confirmed that Frances Abbott was a recipient of a
scholarship at the institute and said it was awarded as a result of her "application and art portfolio".

She said disclosure of the scholarship by the prime minister on the parliamentary register of
interests was "not required"

Wanna vomit?

I lifted this from “The Guardian, Australia edition” http://www.theguardian.com/au which is a
centre right publication with more balanced editorials than the claptrap we are served generally. It
does have a wide spectrum of reader comments however.

I didn't think I would contribute to this thread much more but I just couldn't let this one go
unnoticed.

WayneK.
I think $60k is a bit more than O'Farrell had received in the form of a bottle of Grange ! ;) ;) ;)

[AHLUNGOR]

You really have no idea what's going on Ahlungor ! Have you heard of GFC ?

If Kevin Rudd did nothing back then, Australia wouldn't have escaped the impact unscathed. If instead he did the Cut Cut Cut at that time, we would be in real trouble by now ! Not the beat up trouble !

It's not a theory, the whole world agreed he did the right thing and was the direct result to get Australia out of the GFC !


Hi Brother Wil,

Yes, I remember the GFC and the 30% tax break offered to businesses to encourage capital spending, my own company among other investments had taken the advantage of that and upgraded the company car to a brand new Mercedes, so as a business, we are not complaining !!

May be you should read the following articles to put things into perspective - the stimulus packages was the right thing to do (and probably 300% overdone it!), every responsible government in the world would have done it, but it is the overspending and the incompetence of the ALP in administering the programs that was the problem :

********************************

Unusually, history offers a precise time and place, right down to the day, to appreciate why Australia has gone, seemingly suddenly, from a land of boom to a nation facing an austerity budget with sacrifices expected of all. The date was February 4, 2009.

On that day, for the first time in the 15 months since the Howard government had been defeated, a spontaneous upsurge of genuine unity, concern and outrage came from the opposition. It crossed all factions and cliques. It fused Liberals and Nationals.

The cause of their collective alarm was the size and scale, and haste and dubious design, of six appropriations bills that Kevin Rudd’s government was about to ram through Parliament. These bills would transform the budget.

The catalyst for this was the 2008 financial crisis that had thrown the United States and western Europe into recession and come close to fusing their banking systems. The crisis had not, however, affected Canada or most of Asia. It was countries running big government debt and deficits that were in crisis control.
Rudd said Australia needed decisive action to avoid a recession. When the opposition caught a glimpse of what he intended it saw immediately that Rudd’s grandiosity was dangerously at work. We are now discovering in great detail, via the Royal Commission into the Home Insulation Scheme, the extent of dysfunction of Rudd’s management vision.

Joe Hockey, who was about to become shadow treasurer, opened the attack on February 4. "We have not seen the six bills that are going to be introduced, debated and voted on in this place today," he said. "These six bills will take us into $100 billion of debt."

Malcolm Turnbull, then opposition leader, followed soon after. "In four years, net debt will be $70 billion … and the government has asked for the right, just a moment ago, to borrow up to $200 billion, or $9500 for every man, woman and child in Australia," he said.

"The plan reeks of nothing more than panic ... We do not reject the need for a stimulus at this time. Our judgment is that $42 billion is more than is appropriate right now. The government is looking increasingly like a frightened soldier who fires off all his ammunition in a panic in the first minutes of an engagement … Our judgment is that a more appropriate level of stimulus is in order, 1 to 2 per cent of GDP, or between $15 billion and $20 billion."

All night, Coalition members, 57 in the House and Senate, rose to speak. Former treasurer Peter Costello, silent on the back bench for a year, was moved to genuine outrage.

"When you inherit an economy which has a budget in surplus and no net debt, which has unemployment at 30-year lows, where the credit rating has been restored to a AAA rating on foreign currency bonds, where you have a Future Fund of $61 billion and a Higher Education Endowment Fund, when you inherit an economy in that condition you have to find a fault somewhere," he said. "If you cannot find a fault somewhere, what problem have you got to solve? So the Labor Party, naturally enough, looked for a problem. The trouble is, it was the wrong one."

When debate was finally guillotined it was 4.45am. For the opposition it was a new dawn. It did not need to wait for opinion polls or focus groups.
Typical was this from former minister Bruce Billson. "The Coalition is seeking to ensure that the nation does not sleepwalk into a poorly designed, irresponsible and unsustainable package dreamt up by a panicked government," he said. "The only certain outcome of this package is waking up to the nightmare of decades of excessive debt and deficit."

That is exactly what happened. Rudd was worse than Whitlam. In the six years Labor was in government, the growth in Australia’s real federal expenditure was close to highest in the Organisation of Economic Co-Operation and Development – even though Australia was a resource economy with a sturdy banking sector and no housing bubble, and thus not susceptible to the financial shock in the US and much of Europe.

It is difficult to move the macro-economic needle quickly in a $1.5 trillion economy that is the 12th largest in the world (larger than Spain, which has 47 million people). In 2009, Rudd managed to jolt the needle, ramping up federal spending as a percentage of GDP.

He was also more profligate than Julia Gillard and she was no prize, loading future budgets with the Gonski education program, the national disability insurance scheme and the multibillion asylum seeker debacle without seeming to have a Gonski about how it would all be paid for.

Now that the bills are coming due, neither Rudd nor Gillard are around. It is the morning after. The clean-up. The payment due date. And the demographic challenge has loomed into focus. So let’s not confuse who did the spending and who is having to pay.

A clean-up is not a crisis. We’ve already had a false crisis and are about to pay for it.


Read more: http://www.smh.com.au/comment/what-crisis-governments-only-crisis-is-labors-debt-20140504-zr4c3.html#ixzz32Pmrzqhn

[wilisno]

Hi Brother Wil,

Yes, I remember the GFC and the 30% tax break offered to businesses to encourage capital spending, my own company among other investments had taken the advantage of that and upgraded the company car to a brand new Mercedes, so as a business, we are not complaining !!

May be you should read the following articles to put things into perspective - the stimulus packages was the right thing to do (and probably 300% overdone it!), every responsible government in the world would have done it, but it is the overspending and the incompetence of the ALP in administering the programs that was the problem :

********************************

Unusually, history offers a precise time and place, right down to the day, to appreciate why Australia has gone, seemingly suddenly, from a land of boom to a nation facing an austerity budget with sacrifices expected of all. The date was February 4, 2009.

On that day, for the first time in the 15 months since the Howard government had been defeated, a spontaneous upsurge of genuine unity, concern and outrage came from the opposition. It crossed all factions and cliques. It fused Liberals and Nationals.

The cause of their collective alarm was the size and scale, and haste and dubious design, of six appropriations bills that Kevin Rudd’s government was about to ram through Parliament. These bills would transform the budget.

The catalyst for this was the 2008 financial crisis that had thrown the United States and western Europe into recession and come close to fusing their banking systems. The crisis had not, however, affected Canada or most of Asia. It was countries running big government debt and deficits that were in crisis control.
Rudd said Australia needed decisive action to avoid a recession. When the opposition caught a glimpse of what he intended it saw immediately that Rudd’s grandiosity was dangerously at work. We are now discovering in great detail, via the Royal Commission into the Home Insulation Scheme, the extent of dysfunction of Rudd’s management vision.

Joe Hockey, who was about to become shadow treasurer, opened the attack on February 4. "We have not seen the six bills that are going to be introduced, debated and voted on in this place today," he said. "These six bills will take us into $100 billion of debt."

Malcolm Turnbull, then opposition leader, followed soon after. "In four years, net debt will be $70 billion … and the government has asked for the right, just a moment ago, to borrow up to $200 billion, or $9500 for every man, woman and child in Australia," he said.

"The plan reeks of nothing more than panic ... We do not reject the need for a stimulus at this time. Our judgment is that $42 billion is more than is appropriate right now. The government is looking increasingly like a frightened soldier who fires off all his ammunition in a panic in the first minutes of an engagement … Our judgment is that a more appropriate level of stimulus is in order, 1 to 2 per cent of GDP, or between $15 billion and $20 billion."

All night, Coalition members, 57 in the House and Senate, rose to speak. Former treasurer Peter Costello, silent on the back bench for a year, was moved to genuine outrage.

"When you inherit an economy which has a budget in surplus and no net debt, which has unemployment at 30-year lows, where the credit rating has been restored to a AAA rating on foreign currency bonds, where you have a Future Fund of $61 billion and a Higher Education Endowment Fund, when you inherit an economy in that condition you have to find a fault somewhere," he said. "If you cannot find a fault somewhere, what problem have you got to solve? So the Labor Party, naturally enough, looked for a problem. The trouble is, it was the wrong one."

When debate was finally guillotined it was 4.45am. For the opposition it was a new dawn. It did not need to wait for opinion polls or focus groups.
Typical was this from former minister Bruce Billson. "The Coalition is seeking to ensure that the nation does not sleepwalk into a poorly designed, irresponsible and unsustainable package dreamt up by a panicked government," he said. "The only certain outcome of this package is waking up to the nightmare of decades of excessive debt and deficit."

That is exactly what happened. Rudd was worse than Whitlam. In the six years Labor was in government, the growth in Australia’s real federal expenditure was close to highest in the Organisation of Economic Co-Operation and Development – even though Australia was a resource economy with a sturdy banking sector and no housing bubble, and thus not susceptible to the financial shock in the US and much of Europe.

It is difficult to move the macro-economic needle quickly in a $1.5 trillion economy that is the 12th largest in the world (larger than Spain, which has 47 million people). In 2009, Rudd managed to jolt the needle, ramping up federal spending as a percentage of GDP.

He was also more profligate than Julia Gillard and she was no prize, loading future budgets with the Gonski education program, the national disability insurance scheme and the multibillion asylum seeker debacle without seeming to have a Gonski about how it would all be paid for.

Now that the bills are coming due, neither Rudd nor Gillard are around. It is the morning after. The clean-up. The payment due date. And the demographic challenge has loomed into focus. So let’s not confuse who did the spending and who is having to pay.

A clean-up is not a crisis. We’ve already had a false crisis and are about to pay for it.


Read more: http://www.smh.com.au/comment/what-crisis-governments-only-crisis-is-labors-debt-20140504-zr4c3.html#ixzz32Pmrzqhn
That's the opinion from one person in SMH, and it beats the opinions from the whole world ?

[AHLUNGOR]

That's the opinion from one person in SMH, and it beats the opinions from the whole world ?


Of course, and Wayne Swan was the world's best Treasurer !!

"Mr Swan has racked up $154 billion of deficits, he's yet to deliver a budget surplus and has turned $45 billion in the bank into a $110-billion-dollar credit card bill,"

[lockhart]

For those "salary earners" keep posting during business hours -- are productivity cheaters.. company earned less and pay less tax.. Lost in revenue cause budget In-balance. On record I am on annual leave!

[wilisno]

Of course, and Wayne Swan was the world's best Treasurer !!

"Mr Swan has racked up $154 billion of deficits, he's yet to deliver a budget surplus and has turned $45 billion in the bank into a $110-billion-dollar credit card bill,"
You still don't understand if he didn't racked up $154 Billion of deficits, we would be sitting on $1450 billion deficit by now !

[AHLUNGOR]

You still don't understand if he didn't racked up $154 Billion of deficits, we would be sitting on $1450 billion deficit by now !



I admire your imaginations !!

$1.45 trillion dollars in debt !!

We will all be damned !!

[SmilingGiraffe]

I admire your imaginations !!

$1.45 trillion dollars in debt !!

We will all be damned !!

My respects to you, you know where it's all at.....and I wanna give Joe & Tony a big hug - coz' they know what has to be done.
You know you're doing good when every ignorant & selfish lefty twat gets their knick knacks in a big twist.
On and on they go about their entitlements and rights, just as long as they don't pay for them.

Good onya Tony & Joe. :love:

[wilisno]

I admire your imaginations !!

$1.45 trillion dollars in debt !!
You said you were a good business manager, obviously you're not on the financial side of management ! Or your company is not in the investment business ! If it's a hotel or such like business, sure ! You only have to worry about getting more customers to stay, make the place more attractive. But if you aim for future growth of a business, you need investment strategy, not just by cutting staffs or wash linen less often to save money !

A smart businessman doesn't worry about borrowing money, he only worries about not being able to borrow !

There are many reasons for a business to borrow money :

1. Cash flow problems, the revenue maybe tied up somewhere, but it doesn't mean the business is in trouble. Look at the statistic of GDP and debt !

2. Investments for future growth, unless you don't want future growth !

3. Opportunities for better profit. If the borrowed money can make more money than the interest paid on the debt. Use other people's money to make money for you !

Moreover, comparing running a small company to running a big business is ridiculous, let alone running a country ! Besides the internal affairs, there are politics, economics, defense etc etc to worry about !

[SmilingGiraffe]

I'm gonna write a Poem just for Ahlungor.....my complete respects mon ami.

[lockhart]

Given Tony A does not understand his "Unfair" budget/policies, undoubtedly his blind followers really have no clues as their arguments base on their WINKY LEADER.. Poem will not save TA gang

[uglyphil]

Gee if Joe said it then it must be true!

The government wants to let unis charge whatever they want, saying that this will lead to increased competition and therefore a better deal for students (aways the justification for privatization and deregulation but rarely actually benefits the consumer).
At the same time they want to cut uni funding. How do you think unis will make up this funding shortfall? The vice chancellor of UTS yesterday said most courses will go up by 30-40%.
Add new interest charges to HECs debt plus a lower income threshold to start paying it off and it adds up to a serious amount. Many students from poorer and even middle class backgrounds will think twice about going to uni and be stuck on lower incomes. We already have science and engineering graduate shortages and it'll only get worse for these and other disciplines.
Despite Joe saying he's doing these cuts for the kids, I don't see a bright future at all for the younger generation in this budget.

Thank you for answering this rather simple question for me :)

By the way is there a rolling eye emote we can use on this forum. I suspect that everyone just needs to skip SG's posts and put in a http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-pRxqlYa66P8/UGPX0ZRc5KI/AAAAAAAAM60/PDceHLSSJt0/s1600/1+(528).jpg...

and then move on ;)

[uglyphil]

Liberal donor personally recommended Tony Abbott's daughter for scholarship.

Les Taylor, the chairman of the Whitehouse Institute of Design board of governors, personally
recommended the prime minister’s daughter for a $60,000 design degree scholarship, and has also
made donations of more than $20,000 to the state and federal Liberal party.

Frances Abbott was only the second recipient of the "chairman's scholarship", according to the
institute's chief executive.

A spokeswoman for the prime minister confirmed that Frances Abbott was a recipient of a
scholarship at the institute and said it was awarded as a result of her "application and art portfolio".

She said disclosure of the scholarship by the prime minister on the parliamentary register of
interests was "not required"

Wanna vomit?

I lifted this from “The Guardian, Australia edition” http://www.theguardian.com/au which is a
centre right publication with more balanced editorials than the claptrap we are served generally. It
does have a wide spectrum of reader comments however.

I didn't think I would contribute to this thread much more but I just couldn't let this one go
unnoticed.

WayneK.

To be fair, I honestly do not think this is something we can hold against ol' Tone. From the various reports I have read it appears that his daughter worked with distinction in this course and deserved the scholarship on her own merit.

However, it IS a bad look for him at this time, I admit. Especially as this Institute is set to be one of the "winners" in this budget...

[SmilingGiraffe]

I admire your imaginations !!

$1.45 trillion dollars in debt !!

We will all be damned !!


My Comrade In Arms - Ahlungor

Ahlungor speaks and he’s the man
Because he draws the line straight in the sand
Don’t move to the left and spend spend spend
Come to the right to mend mend mend.

He can the run his own show without govt welfare,
Why should others pay for someone else’s care care.
He fights a good fight against each ignorant runt,
When all he really wants is his usual punt.

Long live Ahlungor with two hands both even,
I don’t care that he didn’t like my brother Steven,
I’m sure his rod is even bigger than Richard’s
But when it goes flabby it will still look like a pilchard.

He doesn’t want to listen to the ugly ABC cows,
He’d rather listen to the great ChairmanPlough,
And when the going gets tough and unpleasantly funky,
He has the spiritual support of my old friend CrazyMonkey.

He doesn’t get tired of the lefty arguments which are boring,
He tolerates it all as if they were HeinrichRommelGoring.
Ahlungor speaks and he’s the man,
Because he draws the line straight in the sand.


Good onya Ahlungor........

[uglyphil]

you keep missing the point ahlungor

the debt problem wasnt caused by the labor government spending too much mobey it was causes by a fall in government revenues

imagine you are the sole income earner in your household. You have a decent salary and your family becomes use to a good quality of life. Suddenly your income drops substantially but your family continues to live the same lifestyle. To cover the cost you must borrow money

its the sane thing. australia must now face the reality of reduced revenues portraying the rudd / gillard government as irresponsible big spenders is not fair.

Yep.

And people are conveniently forgetting that about half of this so-called bad debt has been racked up by the Libs since they got into power by them changing various decisions and assumptions. And there is no evidence to support that their assumptions are any more correct than anyone else's. As I said before, there purely and simply is no debt crisis. This was a right-wing media beat-up in order to get Tony into power, and it (unfortunately) worked. **shrugged**

By the way, something for the people who don't stop to smell the roses... I actually agree that Tony has not broken his core promises ;)

http://cafewhispers.files.wordpress.com/2013/04/bir9at3ccaardbg.jpg

[SmilingGiraffe]

Yep.

And people are conveniently forgetting that about half of this so-called bad debt has been racked up by the Libs since they got into power by them changing various decisions and assumptions. And there is no evidence to support that their assumptions are any more correct than anyone else's. As I said before, there purely and simply is no debt crisis. This was a right-wing media beat-up in order to get Tony into power, and it (unfortunately) worked. **shrugged**

By the way, something for the people who don't stop to smell the roses... I actually agree that Tony has not broken his core promises ;]


More importantly, do you like my poem for Ahlungor?

[uglyphil]

http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-pRxqlYa66P8/UGPX0ZRc5KI/AAAAAAAAM60/PDceHLSSJt0/s1600/1+(528).jpg

[cleetusvandamme]

You know you're doing good when every ignorant & selfish lefty twat gets their knick knacks in a big twist.




You and I have different opinions, and that's perfectly fine. Unfortunately, you quickly resort to insult, whereas, you will notice, I do not.
I supect I'm the democrat here and you perhaps something else.


I suspect you're a bit of an ignorant and selfish twat.

[SmilingGiraffe]

I suspect you're a bit of an ignorant and selfish twat.

My comments were directed non-specifically to all "ignorant lefty twats" objecting to the Budget.
Your comments, as with the other chap, are personalised and directed at me. So, there is a clear difference.
Despite the slings and arrows of outrageous fortune and personal insult, I endeavour to persevere in not
personalising my comments. and I will continue to do so.

Now, more importantly, what do you think of my poem for Ahlungor?

[CunningLinguist]

[QUOTE=SmilingGiraffe;497368]My Comrade In Arms - Ahlungor

Alungor speaks and he’s the man
Because he draws the line straight in the sand
/QUOTE]

This is as far as I read ...

[CunningLinguist]

I suspect you're a bit of an ignorant and selfish twat.

You are not the first person to level this accusation at him, read about his past life here... (http://forum.aus99.com/showthread.php?39297-Banned-again-and-again-and-again-and-again-and-again-and-again)

[cleetusvandamme]

My comments were directed non-specifically to all "ignorant lefty twats" objecting to the Budget.
Your comments, as with the other chap, are personalised and directed at me. So, there is a clear difference.
Despite the slings and arrows of outrageous fortune and personal insult, I endeavour to persevere in not
personalising my comments. and I will continue to do so.

Now, more importantly, what do you think of my poem for Ahlungor?

Except it is indirectly aimed at the people in this thread who mostly disagree with you. A more passive aggressive way of insulting and then acting like you have the moral high ground, much like a politician.

I found the poem's metre to be simplistic and clumsy and the content was much the same so I abandoned it after the first stanza.

[wilisno]

I found the poem's metre to be simplistic and clumsy and the content was much the same so I abandoned it after the first stanza.
He'll take it as a compliment for sure ! :miao:

[CunningLinguist]

My Comrade In Arms - Ahlungor

Alungor speaks and he’s the man
Because he draws the line straight in the sand


You will be pleased to learn I have added a link to this post from the your banned page (http://forum.aus99.com/showthread.php?39297-Banned-again-and-again-and-again-and-again-and-again-and-again&p=442814#post442814) as an example of bad poetry :)

[greybeard_]

Captain Poo - look at you crawling up poor Ahlungor's arse hole like a big smelly rat up a rusty old drain pipe. For fuck sake its embarrasing to watch

[SmilingGiraffe]

Hey GB, or should I say PP or JS, you're just jealous because you don't generate enough interest for anyone to even think about writing a poem for you.

This Ahlungor poem does not count as one of my "heavy duty" metaphysical poems, it was merely a quick & kind recognition of a soldier at arms,
fighting stoically against the "ignorant lefty knick knick twisted" plebs. Nevertheless, I fine piece of lighthearted poetic banter, all the same.

You just keep spreading your bile GB/PP/JS, we know you've got nothing else to offer.

[SmilingGiraffe]

He'll take it as a compliment for sure ! :miao:

You're right, thanks for the critique CV.....but it was just a quick recognition of Ahlungor's fabulous efforts.
The main course of "heavy duty" metaphysical, philosophical, human condition poetic material is still to come.

Yeah baby......

[wilisno]

Hey GB, or should I say PP or JS, you're just jealous because you don't generate enough interest for anyone to even think about writing a poem for you.

You just keep spreading your bile GB/PP/JS, we know you've got nothing else to offer.
If you think GreyBeard is either PunterPoontang or Jellyshot, you are really not an intelligent man ! Never thought so anyway !

[Wayne]

If you think GreyBeard is either PunterPoontang or Jellyshot, you are really not an intelligent man ! Never thought so anyway !

There are some wilisno, who define themselves by what they are not - you know, ragers against the world, "nobody understands me" types, generally mummy's little boys. These are the shit stirrers, those who validate their behaviour by constantly trying to prove others are not as good as are claimed. Salieri is the most notorious of such twerps. Just enough ability to understand his own mediocrity, so invests all his efforts to destroy those with genuine talent. It does not take much intelligence to be a wrecker. All it takes is dogged determination and a rat cunning. Abbott is a great example of such. A middling student, coached at the most expensive institutions available into a staid symbol of elitism (one doesn't have to be too bright to get into Oxford). This fool you repeatedly engage with on this forum is just a pale intimation of his hero. Really don't know why you waste your time.

[waynekerr]

I thought Greybeard might be SmilingGiraffe's alter ego. Silly Me.

WayneK.

[cleetusvandamme]

I've discovered his true identity...

http://www.smh.com.au/federal-politics/political-news/liberal-mp-george-christensen-tells-budget-complainers-to-live-like-impoverished-asians-for-perspective-20140522-38qxh.html

[SmilingGiraffe]

My fun, lighthearted bantering poem for Ahlungor was a quick, yet heartfelt supporting piece, for the stoic defence of his beliefs
against difficult odds. Thus, it does not count as one of my mainstrean philosophical, metaphysical, human condition poetic pieces.
Following the democratic vote and the proportional representation process applied, I will certainly adhere to the democratic outcome.
That is, having taken 14.3% of the vote, one poem will be permissible or acceptable every seven days. I'm very much looking forward
to my first major poetic submission over this coming weekend. I hope to continue with a significant and relevant major poetic piece on
an approximate weekly basis, not exceeding one submission per week. Of course, should interest and demand increase, as I hope it will,
then more poetry might be delivered. But, for the time being, one significant poetic offering will be provided each week, starting this weekend.
I look forward to your comments and critiques.

[greybeard_]

wow wayne, so you don't need to be 'too bright' to be awarded a Rhodes Scholarship huh?

A Rhodes Scholarship? ... pffffft - that ain't nothin', any dummy can earn one of those! right wayne?

You must be a very intelligent and extremely accomplished person to brush aside the achievements of others with such effortless disdain

You do sound a little angry though, a little embittered about life in general. Why is that?

I had a quick look through your earlier posts and noticed you recently had prostate surgery. As a result you were left with a prostate a fraction the size of a pea and lost the ability to cum.

Well, well, well. Is this the source of your discontent? Do you blame the world at large for your loss of masculinity?

And yet you continue to visit prostitutes regularly. Why is that?

Do you still feel the need to go through the motions, pointless and unrewarding though it is? Or are you one of those lonely little men who sits with the lady for the hour just to talk?

Answer these questions Wayne, or does the intense focus of your critical gaze only face outward?

[Wayne]

Happy to answer any questions greybeard; asked in good faith with an intention to develop understanding. I suspect though, given the tone of your rant, your questions are asked in anything but good faith.

[SmilingGiraffe]

Settle down gentlemen please, otherwise it will hand bags at twelve paces.
I'll calm you guys down with an exquisite meaningful poem on the weekend, I know you will both just love it.
And when you're critiqueing me, you won't be criticising each other. You see, I'm functional as well as brilliant.

[waynekerr]

wow wayne, so you don't need to be 'too bright' to be awarded a Rhodes Scholarship huh?

A Rhodes Scholarship? ... pffffft - that ain't nothin', any dummy can earn one of those! right wayne?

You must be a very intelligent and extremely accomplished person to brush aside the achievements of others with such effortless disdain

You do sound a little angry though, a little embittered about life in general. Why is that?

I had a quick look through your earlier posts and noticed you recently had prostate surgery. As a result you were left with a prostate a fraction the size of a pea and lost the ability to cum.

Well, well, well. Is this the source of your discontent? Do you blame the world at large for your loss of masculinity?

And yet you continue to visit prostitutes regularly. Why is that?

Do you still feel the need to go through the motions, pointless and unrewarding though it is? Or are you one of those lonely little men who sits with the lady for the hour just to talk?

Answer these questions Wayne, or does the intense focus of your critical gaze only face outward?

This is a deplorable post. It should be withdrawn immediately!!

WayneK.

[Wayne]

This is a deplorable post. It should be withdrawn immediately!!

WayneK.

I agree with you WayneK, that greybeard's post is deplorable. But I, as the subject of his venom, do not mind it. Simply because it is evidence of the bloke's shallowness. If there was proof about the vacuousness of the Abbott/Hockey/Jones/greybeard side of politics it is this - a descent into base bullyboy insults.

This thread has tried to engage in an intelligent discussion. For the most part this has happened with some fine insights. Seems to me that the very reasonableness of this discussion is what gets the tories so stirred up: because they simply can not respond to rational argument.

[SmilingGiraffe]

We know GB's post was very grubby, and I totally concur with both Wayne & WayneKerr, but you shouldn't try to make any political capital
out of it - i.e rightwing intolerance, etc. It had nothing to do with politics. It was just a very grubby comment from someone who tends to make
hostile comments as a rule, this is his modus operandi.

[SmilingGiraffe]

We know GB's post was very grubby, and I totally concur with both Wayne & WayneKerr, but you shouldn't try to make any political capital
out of it - i.e rightwing intolerance, etc. It had nothing to do with politics. It was just a very grubby comment from someone who tends to make
hostile comments as a rule, this is his modus operandi. On this occasion, he went the extra yard in an unsavoury way.

[waynekerr]

Liberal donor personally recommended Tony Abbott's daughter for scholarship.

Les Taylor, the chairman of the Whitehouse Institute of Design board of governors, personally
recommended the prime minister’s daughter for a $60,000 design degree scholarship, and has also
made donations of more than $20,000 to the state and federal Liberal party.

Frances Abbott was only the second recipient of the "chairman's scholarship", according to the
institute's chief executive.

A spokeswoman for the prime minister confirmed that Frances Abbott was a recipient of a
scholarship at the institute and said it was awarded as a result of her "application and art portfolio".

She said disclosure of the scholarship by the prime minister on the parliamentary register of
interests was "not required"

Wanna vomit?

I lifted this from “The Guardian, Australia edition” http://www.theguardian.com/au which is a
centre right publication with more balanced editorials than the claptrap we are served generally. It
does have a wide spectrum of reader comments however.

I didn't think I would contribute to this thread much more but I just couldn't let this one go
unnoticed.

WayneK.



To be fair, I honestly do not think this is something we can hold against ol' Tone. From the various reports I have read it appears that his daughter worked with distinction in this course and deserved the scholarship on her own merit.

However, it IS a bad look for him at this time, I admit. Especially as this Institute is set to be one of the "winners" in this budget...


I don't think I'll let ol' Tone off the hook just yet, from what I've read this affair stinks like a $10
whorehouse at low tide.

The scholarship was offered before the lass was enrolled and was not available to any other student,
but this matter is less about his daughter, and more about himself.

I had almost finished writing a fairly lengthy post regarding this when I noticed the story in the
'mainstream' so I'll be quiet and see what comes of it. Will they have the balls to run with it?

Be mindful of the burden the Liberal party's budget will place on families who want educated
children.

Unrestricted access to a proper education is a right, not a privilege.

I agree with your notion that “it is about ideology, pure and simple.” and “This is shown most
clearly in the new Higher Education plans, where people who are intelligent, but poor, will miss out
University places, while if you are a rich dumbass you can simply buy your degree.”

Without doubt this budget is a product of the Liberal's (let's not forget the Nats) fucked up ideology,
but in Abbott's case I don't believe it's ideology alone that drives him. His demonstrated lack of
empathy is indicative of psychosis.

WayneK.

[SmilingGiraffe]

You have abandoned yourself to hysterical rhetoric. And, may I say, you begin to lose yourself in the detail of things.
Abbott is his own man, he does a lot of good work with indigenous/aboriginal people, he likes sports, he's a tough guy
by most standards, he believes in: the family, traditional values, small government (not the nanny state) and he wants to
promote wealth creation by assisting business, and discourage benefit dependency by reducing entitlements. He knows
what direction Australia is heading in the Asian century/region, both in economic and cultural terms, and he's doing something
about it. That's his job as prime minister - to lead Australia out of harms way.

[AHLUNGOR]

This is shown most clearly in the new Higher Education plans, where people who are intelligent, but poor, will miss out University places, while if you are a rich dumbass you can simply buy your degree :(


I would like to know how a rich dumbass can "buy" a degree ??

Why don't you try to buy a Commerce Degree at the Sydney University !! It only needs an UAI of 95 to get in ! And the same degree at UNSW needs an UAI of 96.7!

Try to buy your way through that !!


Oh , I forgot there are some out of town colleges where the cut off is only 50, so may be you can "buy" a degree in those places!!

But please don't insult our top institutions that any dumass can "buy" a degree !!

Cheers

[uglyphil]

I don't think I'll let ol' Tone off the hook just yet, from what I've read this affair stinks like a $10
whorehouse at low tide.

The scholarship was offered before the lass was enrolled and was not available to any other student,
but this matter is less about his daughter, and more about himself.

I had almost finished writing a fairly lengthy post regarding this when I noticed the story in the
'mainstream' so I'll be quiet and see what comes of it. Will they have the balls to run with it?

Be mindful of the burden the Liberal party's budget will place on families who want educated
children.

Unrestricted access to a proper education is a right, not a privilege.

I agree with your notion that “it is about ideology, pure and simple.” and “This is shown most
clearly in the new Higher Education plans, where people who are intelligent, but poor, will miss out
University places, while if you are a rich dumbass you can simply buy your degree.”

Without doubt this budget is a product of the Liberal's (let's not forget the Nats) fucked up ideology,
but in Abbott's case I don't believe it's ideology alone that drives him. His demonstrated lack of
empathy is indicative of psychosis.

WayneK.

Like Like LIKE

Just for AH ;)

[uglyphil]

I would like to know how a rich dumbass can "buy" a degree ??

Why don't you try to buy a Commerce Degree at the Sydney University !! It only needs an UAI of 95 to get in ! And the same degree at UNSW needs an UAI of 96.7!

Try to buy your way through that !!


Oh , I forgot there are some out of town colleges where the cut off is only 50, so may be you can "buy" a degree in those places!!

But please don't insult our top institutions that any dumass can "buy" a degree !!

Cheers

**sigh**

I never said you could buy your degree at this point in time, but that under the plans outlined in the budget you soon will be.

Joe even said in a post budget interview it would allow people who had not gotten the UAI needed to be able to get into a course. He said this was to make things "fairer" ...

Uh huh :|

Besides, how else do you think SG will ever get his degree for poetry? ;)

By the way, you should know that a UAI is not an indication of the difficulty of a course. It is actually more an indication of how popular the course is. As the more popular courses have a (obviously) higher number of candidates, the Unis can cull the selection process by increasing the UAI. This is why UAIs will often change (sometimes quite dramatically) if the popularity changes for some reason. Unis have a quota for each course, if they do not meet this candidature, miraculously the UAI will drop. This process will be undermined once fee paying is introduced, as it is in the US and elsewhere.

[waynekerr]

There are paid political party hacks popping up on forums everywhere these days. They generally
have the same trait: Not too smart, post unsubstantiated shit and can't be reasoned with.

WayneK.

[greybeard_]

The HECS / HELP system will remain in place so if students from economically disadvantaged backgrounds have the grades they can stil go to uni and pay the money back later. Of course these students will now be loaded up with a much greater level of debt and be required to start repaying the loan at a much lower salary threshold. Also the loan itself will attract more interest. Apparently academic scholarships will be made available to low income / high performing students but there won't be many of these comparatively speaking.

students from wealthy families with poor academic results will benefit most from these changes. So too Australias top tier universities who can now charge more for their degrees. Students from less affluent families with average to good academic grades lose out. Australia's 2nd and 3rd tier unis will lose status and may end up becoming more like those community college things they have in the USA

[CunningLinguist]

There are paid political party hacks popping up on forums everywhere these days. They generally
have the same trait: Not too smart, post unsubstantiated shit and can't be reasoned with.

WayneK.

Sounds like a troll ...

[CunningLinguist]

The HECS / HELP system will remain in place so if students from economically disadvantaged backgrounds have the grades they can stil go to uni and pay the money back later. Of course these students will now be loaded up with a much greater level of debt and be required to start repaying the loan at a much lower salary threshold. Also the loan itself will attract more interest. Apparently academic scholarships will be made available to low income / high performing students but there won't be many of these comparatively speaking.

students from wealthy families with poor academic results will benefit most from these changes. So too Australias top tier universities who can now charge more for their degrees. Students from less affluent families with average to good academic grades lose out. Australia's 2nd and 3rd tier unis will lose status and may end up becoming more like those community college things they have in the USA

So we will migrate from a system based on merit to one based on money!
This may be good in the short term for some but does not sound good for the national interest ...

[Wayne]

There are paid political party hacks popping up on forums everywhere these days. They generally
have the same trait: Not too smart, post unsubstantiated shit and can't be reasoned with.

WayneK.

There are a couple on this thread

[Wayne]

So we will migrate from a system based on merit to one based on money!
This may be good in the short term for some but does not sound good for the national interest ...

Exactly...

[CunningLinguist]

From: http://www.abc.net.au/news/2014-05-22/dunlop-trust-me-abbott-is-a-pm-without-power/5470764

It is not because people are shocked that a politician has gone back on his word, but because in going back on his word, Abbott has reinforced the negative view that people had of him anyway, the one he was compensating for in making the promises in the first place.

[SmilingGiraffe]

Many people have a very positive view of Tony Abbott and Joe Hockey, that's why they got elected with a big majority.
However, some in the media - especially the ABC - go out of their way to cultivate a "coalition gotchya" moment for their media circle.
The ABC have shown with their cultivation of recent asylum centre stories, and the Indonesia spying/espionage episode, that they are
traitors to Australia. The ABC attempts to create and cultivate problems for the nation rather than simply reporting them. The ABC agenda
is to undermine the government and Australia. And they do this with tax-payers money. The senior management should be sacked and charged
with malpractice at very best, and ultimately treason. The ABC needs to be completely overhauled and constituted to provide impartial coverage.

[SmilingGiraffe]

Many people have a very positive view of Tony Abbott and Joe Hockey, that's why they got elected with a big majority.
However, some in the media - especially the ABC - go out of their way to cultivate a "coalition gotchya" moment for their media circle.
The ABC have shown with their cultivation of recent asylum centre stories, and the Indonesia spying/espionage episode, that they are
traitors to Australia. The ABC attempts to create and cultivate problems for the nation rather than simply reporting them. The ABC agenda
is to undermine the government and Australia. And they do this with tax-payers money. The senior management should be sacked and charged
with malpractice at very best, and ultimately treason. The ABC needs to be completely overhauled and constituted to provide impartial coverage.

This paragraph is so good it's well worth repeating.....

[AHLUNGOR]

Thi s paragraph is so good it's well worth repeating.....

Yeah, it's been 9 hrs and no new reply !

But if you like to keep this thread active and alive， try not to quote your own post!

Why not talk about Frances and Bridget instead of father Tony ?

[wilisno]

Yeah, it's been 9 hrs and no new reply !

But if you like to keep this thread active and alive， try not to quote your own post!

Why not talk about Frances and Bridget instead of father Tony ?

Reply to what ?

The for and against ratio is about 1 to 10 here already !

[SmilingGiraffe]

Reply to what ?

The for and against ratio is about 1 to 10 here already !

I think it was Jefferson who said..."one man with courage, is a majority." It's a good line and perhaps applicable on this thread.

[wilisno]

I think it was Jefferson who said..."one man with courage, is a majority." It's a good line and perhaps applicable on this thread.

No problem ! Be your majority then ! :miao:

[SmilingGiraffe]

No problem ! Be your majority then ! :miao:

It is always my pleasure to uphold the light of truth within the dark of any storm.

[wilisno]

It is always my pleasure to uphold the light of truth within the dark of any storm.
Yes, I know !

You can admire yourself all you want, that's all you can do anyway. I'm fine with it !

[CunningLinguist]

Seems to me Abott is used to getting off light from the press as the libs were not put under any scrutiny before he election, now he has a fools confidence with the budget and thoughthe could still get away with what he used to ...

[SmilingGiraffe]

Disregarding political persuasion, whether right-wing or left-wing, the quality of media reporting has declined significantly in
the last few years, because of the 24hr media cycle and social media. The mainstream media are like Orcas, hunting for a
"gotchya moment" from someone. When they get one, they put it on social media to get a response. Social media brings
all the dubious feigned outrage, or bleeding heart support, that mainstream media needs, and they report on the outrage/support.

In other words, the media is literally creating so-called news, simply because they desperately need something to say 24/7.
The insatiable rush for "news" has resulted in an almost total loss of inquisitive, investigative reporting or incisive commentary.
This is a very bad sign for any country with aspirations to legitimate democratic status.

[uglyphil]

Seems to me Abott is used to getting off light from the press as the libs were not put under any scrutiny before he election, now he has a fools confidence with the budget and thoughthe could still get away with what he used to ...

Yep ... but like Howard before him, he will learn that this is not the case. He is too arrogant to learn from past mistakes.

[greybeard_]

Tony Abbott's government came to power with a large majority and he spoke ad naseum about the need to reverse the budget deficit during the election campaign. So its not true to say he didn't have a mandate to take drastic action. Where he crossed the line, in my opinion, is the breaking of several very clear election promises. i won't vote for a party I can't trust.

[M3]

Tony Abbott's government came to power with a large majority and he spoke ad naseum about the need to reverse the budget deficit during the election campaign. So its not true to say he didn't have a mandate to take drastic action. Where he crossed the line, in my opinion, is the breaking of several very clear election promises. i won't vote for a party I can't trust.

Maybe the election promises were made in "the heat of discussion".

http://www.smh.com.au/national/abbott-admits-you-cant-always-believe-him-20100517-v9dc.html

[SmilingGiraffe]

Australia is in trouble on various levels; including economic, cultural and security. These issues won't go away by having a
workshop and a committee and an inquiry. Or by "impartial" ABC reporting and whinging from the disenfranchised entitlement seekers.
Swift and decisive action is required to arrest Australia's decline, and to put in place the policies and structures that will protect the country
from the abyss that has been steadily creeping up in recent years. This government knows exactly what it's doing, and they also know that
the strong medicine will have a bitter taste for the whinging lefty vocalisers who have, both directly and indirectly, helped to bring Australia down.

[harmony]

Excellent link M3. Very enlightening

Maybe the election promises were made in "the heat of discussion".
http://www.smh.com.au/national/abbot...0517-v9dc.html (http://www.smh.com.au/national/abbott-admits-you-cant-always-believe-him-20100517-v9dc.html)

[waynekerr]

You might find this link "Very enlightening" too??

http://www.scribd.com/doc/133134121/Tony-Abbott-Gaffes

WayneK.

[SmilingGiraffe]

Australia needs leadership, not low-brow media-driven political discourse. I'm as right-wing as they come,
but I still regard both Keating and Hawke, especially Keating, as fine national leaders. The Labour left currently
has no one with true leadership quality. Shorten & "the Pleb" are the weakest leadership team in Labour's history.
When the thunderbolt strikes, many people run around with twisted knick knacks for a while, then things settle down
and the changes introduced take their necessary place. What is now happening in Australia, i.e the real leadership from
the current government, has been a long time coming in recent political life, and badly needs to happen.

[wilisno]

Australia needs leadership, not low-brow media-driven political discourse. I'm as right-wing as they come,
but I still regard both Keating and Hawke, especially Keating, as fine national leaders. The Labour left currently
has no one with true leadership quality. Shorten & "the Pleb" are the weakest leadership team in Labour's history.
When the thunderbolt strikes, many people run around with twisted knick knacks for a while, then things settle down
and the changes introduced take their necessary place. What is now happening in Australia, i.e the real leadership from
the current government, has been a long time coming in recent political life, and badly needs to happen.
Agreed that there's no outstanding leaders in the Labour camp recently, that's why they lost the election ! Liberal didn't win it, Labour just lost it !

But if you say Tony Abbott who broke all promises with a wink of his eye is your role model of a good leader, that says very much about yourself, and Australia is really in trouble !

[AHLUNGOR]

Agreed that there's no outstanding leaders in the Labour camp recently, that's why they lost the election ! Liberal didn't win it, Labour just lost it !

But if you say Tony Abbott who broke all promises with a wink of his eye is your role model of a good leader, that says very much about yourself, and Australia is really in trouble !


In a perfect world, I like to have Malcolm Turnbull as Prime Minister and Peter Costello as Treasurer and deputy !! But this is not gonna to happen though.

How about Julia Bishop as PM, and Malcolm as deputy and Treasurer ??

[wilisno]

In a perfect world, I like to have Malcolm Turnbull as Prime Minister and Peter Costello as Treasurer and deputy !! But this is not gonna to happen though.

How about Julia Bishop as PM, and Malcolm as deputy and Treasurer ??
No one in the Liberal camp is remarkable either, Julia Bishop will put the nails on the coffin !

[M3]

Australia needs leadership, not low-brow media-driven political discourse. I'm as right-wing as they come,
but I still regard both Keating and Hawke, especially Keating, as fine national leaders. The Labour left currently
has no one with true leadership quality. Shorten & "the Pleb" are the weakest leadership team in Labour's history.
When the thunderbolt strikes, many people run around with twisted knick knacks for a while, then things settle down
and the changes introduced take their necessary place. What is now happening in Australia, i.e the real leadership from
the current government, has been a long time coming in recent political life, and badly needs to happen.

I would probably agree with you here but go a little further in saying that neither the red or the blue team have a leader of any substance.

As previously indicated governments loose elections and the last election was no exception.

In a tight battle I see Abbott as a liability as women in general don't seem to like him plus his foot is never far away from his mouth..

I also see the blue team as economic lightweights driven more by ideology than a workable plan to grow the economy.

One of the red team's major problems was their inability to execute any of their programs..In short they fudked everything they touched but unfortunately I see the blue team heading down the same path.

It almost seems the blue team is getting it's strategy from a Sydney radio shock jock rather than sensible economic rational.

The blue teams idea of a infrastructure lead recovery is the way to go but that will not happen as they are so fixated on the deficit it is clouding their thinking.

Setting up the states as the fall guy in forcing them into introducing new taxes to maintain services has already been seen by the electorate for what it is thus one of the reasons for the budget backlash.

The stupidity of the blue teams budget is that it will deliver very little short term while driving down consumer confidence in the mean time.

Because of the Senate the blue team's budget will be watered down to the extent one would wonder why they put this budget up in the first place.

My advice to the blue team would be to get their infrastructure program going ASAP and start building the economy..

[Sextus]

Tony Abbott who broke all promises with a wink of his eye

He's a character, I'll give him that! :shout:

http://i92.photobucket.com/albums/l5/waveflows/abbottwink_zpsea96e8af.gif (http://s92.photobucket.com/user/waveflows/media/abbottwink_zpsea96e8af.gif.html)

[greybeard_]

Astute analysis.

Although I disagree with the infrastructure investment led recovery thing. Sure if a lack of certain infrastructure is holding back growth, build it. But assess each project on its merits. Stimulus spending is usually wasteful and often gobbled up by the various vested interests

But yeh, agree with your broad description of things


I would probably agree with you here but go a little further in saying that neither the red or the blue team have a leader of any substance.

As previously indicated governments loose elections and the last election was no exception.

In a tight battle I see Abbott as a liability as women in general don't seem to like him plus his foot is never far away from his mouth..

I also see the blue team as economic lightweights driven more by ideology than a workable plan to grow the economy.

One of the red team's major problems was their inability to execute any of their programs..In short they fudked everything they touched but unfortunately I see the blue team heading down the same path.

It almost seems the blue team is getting it's strategy from a Sydney radio shock jock rather than sensible economic rational.

The blue teams idea of a infrastructure lead recovery is the way to go but that will not happen as they are so fixated on the deficit it is clouding their thinking.

Setting up the states as the fall guy in forcing them into introducing new taxes to maintain services has already been seen by the electorate for what it is thus one of the reasons for the budget backlash.

The stupidity of the blue teams budget is that it will deliver very little short term while driving down consumer confidence in the mean time.

Because of the Senate the blue team's budget will be watered down to the extent one would wonder why they put this budget up in the first place.

My advice to the blue team would be to get their infrastructure program going ASAP and start building the economy..

[cleetusvandamme]

Australia is in trouble on various levels; including economic, cultural and security. These issues won't go away by having a
workshop and a committee and an inquiry. Or by impartial ABC reporting and whinging from the disenfranchised entitlement seekers.
Swift and decisive action is required to arrest Australia's decline, and to put in place the policies and structures that will protect the country
from the abyss that has been steadily creeping up in recent years. This government knows exactly what it's doing, and they also know that
the strong medicine will have a bitter taste for the whinging lefty vocalisers who have, both directly and indirectly, helped to bring Australia down.

First the ABC was biased and treasonous and now it's impartial? Make up your mind!

Or get a dictionary.

[SmilingGiraffe]

I would probably agree with you here but go a little further in saying that neither the red or the blue team have a leader of any substance.

women in general don't seem to like him plus his foot is never far away from his mouth..

My advice to the blue team would be to get their infrastructure program going ASAP and start building the economy..

Abbott is a visionary - the paid parental leave scheme is a monument to the social & economic well-being of women, familes and society.
This country has declined so much over the last fifteen years, that public discourse now nearly always revolves around the cost of this or that.
Visionary policy must, by definition, transcend the grubby mentality of the penny pinching, point scoring ideologues. Abbott and Hockey are
on their way transforming Australia from a complacent, selfish and declining society, to a focused, opportunity oriented, growing society.

By the way, media women & lefty women might dislike Abbott, but many others like him. He's a fit, active, family oriented, strong man with
sound moral and democratic values. Many non-media oriented women like this very much.

(nb. Gillard was an overweight, unmarried, childless individual of obvious imited life experience, who had to resort to playing the sexism/victim woman card
in a vain attempt to win favour, but she was preaching only to the lefty twats who already "liked" her for simply being a woman - so everyone else was
turned off and she had to be sacked by her own party).

As the Abbott/Hockey policies take hold, more and more people will grudgingly realise how successful they are, and Australia will be a lot better for it.

[uglyphil]

First the ABC was biased and treasonous and now it's impartial? Make up your mind!

Or get a dictionary.

cleetus...

fuckwits cannot make up their mind, nor do I doubt this moron has the ability to use a dictionary. Besides, it doesn't believe anything it is posting. It is a troll, pure and simple, thinking it gets some form of power by getting a rise out of people by posting anything racist, sexist, misogynist or just plain stupid. Making it feel bigger than the miserable little powerless worm it is.

[SmilingGiraffe]

cleetus...

fuckwits cannot make up their mind, nor do I doubt this moron has the ability to use a dictionary. Besides, it doesn't believe anything it is posting. It is a troll, pure and simple, thinking it gets some form of power by getting a rise out of people by posting anything racist, sexist, misogynist or just plain stupid. Making it feel bigger than the miserable little powerless worm it is.

Ugly by name, and ugly by nature.....and quite the ignorant one too - you're indeed the perfect storm, neither of use nor ornament.

[uglyphil]

Can I ask a favour of everyone?

Please never quote the long-necked fuckwit again. I have just added it to my ignore list and it is awesome! No more self grandiosing monologues, no more uneducated fuckspeak, no more listening to the poor hard done by loser blaming all his woes on anyone who isn't white, male or who actually has friends. No more skipping over (and never ever reading) the attempt at putting words together in a paragraph it calls "poetry".

The ignore list is a great invention, and will work wonders until it gets inevitably banned and comes back as some other limp-dicked loser. I suggest you all give it a go :)

The only problem is if you quote him, well, I can still see your posts - hence my request :D

[SmilingGiraffe]

Abbott is a visionary - the paid parental leave scheme is a monument to the social & economic well-being of women, familes and society.
This country has declined so much over the last fifteen years, that public discourse now nearly always revolves around the cost of this or that.
Visionary policy must, by definition, transcend the grubby mentality of the penny pinching, point scoring ideologues. Abbott and Hockey are
on their way transforming Australia from a complacent, selfish and declining society, to a focused, opportunity oriented, growing society.

By the way, media women & lefty women might dislike Abbott, but many others like him. He's a fit, active, family oriented, strong man with
sound moral and democratic values. Many non-media oriented women like this very much.

(nb. Gillard was an overweight, unmarried, childless individual of obvious imited life experience, who had to resort to playing the sexism/victim woman card
in a vain attempt to win favour, but she was preaching only to the lefty twats who already "liked" her for simply being a woman - so everyone else was
turned off and she had to be sacked by her own party).

As the Abbott/Hockey policies take hold, more and more people will grudgingly realise how successful they are, and Australia will be a lot better for it.


This is so true, it deserves one or two replays at least.

[Wayne]

Can I ask a favour of everyone?

Please never quote the long-necked fuckwit again. I have just added it to my ignore list and it is awesome! No more self grandiosing monologues, no more uneducated fuckspeak, no more listening to the poor hard done by loser blaming all his woes on anyone who isn't white, male or who actually has friends. No more skipping over (and never ever reading) the attempt at putting words together in a paragraph it calls "poetry".

The ignore list is a great invention, and will work wonders until it gets inevitably banned and comes back as some other limp-dicked loser. I suggest you all give it a go :)

The only problem is if you quote him, well, I can still see your posts - hence my request :D

Excellent advice. The bloke who doesn't know his own biology, and likes to hurl abuse, is another for the ignore list.

[SmilingGiraffe]

Right-Wing parties win glorious victories in european elections in France and the UK, and also other countries including Denmark & Hungary.

The glory days are soon to return as right-wing parties in both France and Britain have won in the european elections. National elections next year
will see the end of Britain's unclusion in EU, and soon after the same for France too. The glory days of the right-wing are here again.
Australia is traditionally about 5-10 years behind europe, but, thankfully, the writing is already on the wall in Australia.
The "right" is on the rise, at last. I'll be celebrating with a topnotch punt tomorrow - yippee! Happy days are here again.

[SmilingGiraffe]

Right-Wing parties win glorious victories in european elections in France and the UK, and also other countries including Denmark & Hungary.

The glory days are soon to return as right-wing parties in both France and Britain have won in the european elections. National elections next year
will see the end of Britain's unclusion in EU, and soon after the same for France too. The glory days of the right-wing are here again.
Australia is traditionally about 5-10 years behind europe, but, thankfully, the writing is already on the wall in Australia.
The "right" is on the rise, at last. I'll be celebrating with a topnotch punt tomorrow - yippee! Happy days are here again.

A truly glorious day in europe......all's well with the world.

[SmilingGiraffe]

My celebratory f@ck today, for the magnificent right-wing party victories in europe yesterday, was entirely majestic.
The rod was hard, I was going like a monkey, ploughing fertile ground, at one point she had something stuck in her throat,
I thought I might have to perform the Heinrich manoeuvre. But it was totally specfantabulous. Yeah baby.......

[CunningLinguist]

cleetus...

fuckwits cannot make up their mind, nor do I doubt this moron has the ability to use a dictionary. Besides, it doesn't believe anything it is posting. It is a troll, pure and simple, thinking it gets some form of power by getting a rise out of people by posting anything racist, sexist, misogynist or just plain stupid. Making it feel bigger than the miserable little powerless worm it is.

Yo are spot on the money, once a troll always a troll ... (http://forum.aus99.com/showthread.php?39297-Banned-again-and-again-and-again-and-again-and-again-and-again)

[CunningLinguist]

Can I ask a favour of everyone?

Please never quote the long-necked fuckwit again. I have just added it to my ignore list and it is awesome! No more self grandiosing monologues, no more uneducated fuckspeak, no more listening to the poor hard done by loser blaming all his woes on anyone who isn't white, male or who actually has friends. No more skipping over (and never ever reading) the attempt at putting words together in a paragraph it calls "poetry".

The ignore list is a great invention, and will work wonders until it gets inevitably banned and comes back as some other limp-dicked loser. I suggest you all give it a go :)

The only problem is if you quote him, well, I can still see your posts - hence my request :D

Great idea, I must admit I don't bother reading his posts anymore, after a while they are all the same, trollspeak ...

[SmilingGiraffe]

You guys sound a bit weary. Don't you know the truth is made of granite, so it's never really a good idea to argue against it.
It sounds to me like you need to relax with some topnotch poetry.

[waynekerr]

http://www.theaustralian.com.au/business/economics/economic-growth-hopes-plunge-to-threeyear-low/story-e6frg926-1226934263528

WayneK.

[SmilingGiraffe]

My celebratory f@ck today, for the magnificent right-wing party victories in europe yesterday, was entirely majestic.
The rod was hard, I was going like a monkey, ploughing fertile ground, at one point she had something stuck in her throat,
I thought I might have to perform the Heinrich manoeuvre. But it was totally specfantabulous. Yeah baby.......

In fact, such monumental victories deserve a full week of punting celebration - so be it. Yeah baby

[uglyphil]

http://www.theaustralian.com.au/business/economics/economic-growth-hopes-plunge-to-threeyear-low/story-e6frg926-1226934263528

WayneK.

Great read Wayne. Thanks :D

[SmilingGiraffe]

You guys sound a bit weary. Don't you know the truth is made of granite, so it's never really a good idea to argue against it.
It sounds to me like you need to relax with some topnotch poetry.


Either relax with some topnotch poetry, it doesn't have to be mine; you might like Tennyson, Coleridge,
Kipling, Blake, Keats or Wordsworth, and or have a good time with a quality ladyboy.....Yeah baby.
I assure you both experiences, the poetry and the quality ladyboy, will oddly give you the same kind of exhilarating buzz.
I feel you need some variety and stimulation in your lives, poetry can bring this as can a quality ladyboy.

[CunningLinguist]

Poor SG is gone now so I thought I would post this to get his blood flowing again, here is an article from his favourite government broadcaster about his favourite politician and how is approval has gone down in record time time and comparing the slide to Julia, he wins for the biggest slide. It has lots of statistics which I know he loves:
http://www.abc.net.au/news/2014-05-28/lewis-and-woods-tony-abbott-a-quick-study-in-poll-pain/5483150

[TastefulHumper]

Poor SG is gone now so I thought I would post this to get his blood flowing again, here is an article from his favourite government broadcaster about his favourite politician and how is approval has gone down in record time time and comparing the slide to Julia, he wins for the biggest slide. It has lots of statistics which I know he loves:
http://www.abc.net.au/news/2014-05-28/lewis-and-woods-tony-abbott-a-quick-study-in-poll-pain/5483150

Opinion polls taken after a harsh, yet necessary, budget are quite meaningless. They serve only to justify the pollsters existence,
and the existence of those who report on the polls. Polls, and the feverish reporting of polls, are part of the snow-ball theory of reporting -
they want the so-called bad news to grow as the snow-ball spins around the media maelstrom. I'm sure Hockey and Abbot are rightly
oblivious to the polls at this stage of their government. They are real leaders, they shouldn't have to care about polls, and they don't - good on them.

[CunningLinguist]

They are real leaders, they shouldn't have to care about polls, and they don't - good on them.

Have a look at this at 1:13 then: here (http://news.ninemsn.com.au/entertainment/2014/06/02/17/59/prime-minister-tony-abbott-mocked-on-us-talk-show)

[JC1]

Thanks to Abbott, George Bush is looking great in comparison. You need a true leader to sell a budget like this - someone with charisma and is respected across both left and right wings of the nation. Abbott is the worst person in the liberal party for this job, he has zero charisma, and he is hated vy people outside of Liberal party, and is not even respected by the left wing of his own party (only beat Turnbull by 1 vote last time). Only Turnbull would have a chance to pull something like this through.

[TastefulHumper]

Thanks to Abbott, George Bush is looking great in comparison. You need a true leader to sell a budget like this - someone with charisma and is respected across both left and right wings of the nation. Abbott is the worst person in the liberal party for this job, he has zero charisma, and he is hated vy people outside of Liberal party, and is not even respected by the left wing of his own party (only beat Turnbull by 1 vote last time). Only Turnbull would have a chance to pull something like this through.

From observing the media & social media, I can see why you might reach this conclusion.
However, Abbot doesn't want to be the media's darling, and he isn't. Outside of the media,
Abbott is more popular in the community. When the media dust has settled, he will emerge
with more credibility as a leader than he had even in as the incoming liberal prime minister
from opposition.

Abbott does a lot of good work with indigenous people, and he is introducing a visionary policy with
the paid parental leave scheme. He has seen a decline in Australia in recent times, and he is doing something
about it. In my opinion, Turnbull has more chance of being the Labour leader than being Liberal leader.
He is the media darling, but he is still not massively popular amongst many Liberal power brokers.

Joe Hockey will almost certainly be the next Liberal leader midway through the second term of Liberal government.
He'll take over from Abbott in an amicable, pre-arranged succession.

[JC1]

You sound like SG reborn again. You are preaching to the wrong crowd. I am not a fan of Abbott, never will be. To me he is always a nutcase with the charisma of a dead mouse.

[uglyphil]

JC1... this moron IS SG again... and again... and again ;)

Unfortunately.

Thankfully he has been added to my ignore list, so I do not have to listen to his meaningless crap again until the next incarnation.

[M3]

Have a look at this at 1:13 then: here (http://news.ninemsn.com.au/entertainment/2014/06/02/17/59/prime-minister-tony-abbott-mocked-on-us-talk-show)

Yes the foot is never far from the mouth with our Tony but he seems mindful of this at 1:13 of the above clip.

Gotta love Keating's one liners.

By the way what has happened with Tony's hair lately?

Is it a brown hair piece?

[SirLaughsAlot]

Yes the foot is never far from the mouth with our Tony but he seems mindful of this at 1:13 of the above clip.

Gotta love Keating's one liners.

By the way what has happened with Tony's hair lately?

Is it a brown hair piece?

Most mainstream media, and all social media, delight in swiping at Abbott, but he quite rightly doesn't give a stuff, it's just not that important.
He does a lot of good work with indigenous people, and he is introducing a visionary policy with the paid parental leave scheme.
He and Joe Hockey are getting the finances/economy back on track, and optimising national security.
The media can continue to disappear up its own backside, as it has done in recent years, for all he cares.
Abbott, just like many others, has seen a decline in Australia in recent times, and he's doing something about it.

Nevertheless, Joe Hockey will be the next Liberal leader midway through the second term of Liberal government.
He'll take over from Abbott in an amicable, pre-arranged succession. Hockey is growing in political stature with every speech & interview he makes.
This is now the natural order of things.

[uglyphil]

He does a lot of good work with indigenous people, and he is introducing a visionary policy with the paid parental leave scheme.


I see you had a new account all ready to go. I shall place you on my ignore list after I correct your crap, which you seem to have just cut and pasted from the Liberal propaganda book with no fact checking at all.

1) Tony Abbott does NOT do a lot of good work with indigenous people, although he does do SOME. Over the past 10 years he has spent about 8 weeks in indigenous communities carrying out various menial tasks. While this is to be commended and almost certainly one of the better records of any minister, it is still a laughably small amount of time compared to other people who do far more, on far less money and for more altruistic reasons than to get in the press. In any case, his policies do FAR more damage to the indigenous community than any minor brick laying he may carry out does good.

2) The PPL has been widely condemned by almost everyone from business leaders to those that do real work with people in low socio-economic backgrounds. Very few people approve of it, it is divisive and reeks of class warfare (i.e robbing the rich to pay the poor).

3) Any other point you have made is also full of shit and has no basis in reality.

**ignored**

[SirLaughsAlot]

I see you had a new account all ready to go. I shall place you on my ignore list after I correct your crap, which you seem to have just cut and pasted from the Liberal propaganda book with no fact checking at all.

1) Tony Abbott does NOT do a lot of good work with indigenous people, although he does do SOME. Over the past 10 years he has spent about 8 weeks in indigenous communities carrying out various menial tasks. While this is to commended and almost certainly one of the better records of any minister, it is still a laughably small amount of time compared to other people who do far more, on far less money and for more altruistic reasons than to get in the press. In any case, his policies do FAR more damage to the indigenous community than any minor brick laying he may carry out does good.

2) The PPL has been widely condemned by almost everyone from business leaders to those that do real work with people in low socio-economic backgrounds. Very few people approve of it, it is divisive and reeks of class warfare (i.e robbing the rich to pay the poor).

3) Any other point you have made is also full of shit and has no basis in reality.

**ignored**

For someone who continually says they ignore me, you do tend to make quite as few comments.
As I said once before, the truth is like granite, it's never a good idea to argue against it. Abbott's in for a good reason,
and the Liberals will stay in for good reason, that's just the way it is sugar.

[CunningLinguist]

For someone who continually says they ignore me, you do tend to make quite as few comments.
As I said once before, the truth is like granite, it's never a good idea to argue against it. Abbott's in for a good reason,
and the Liberals will stay in for good reason, that's just the way it is sugar.

Typical troll you know what he said but you are being ingenious. To spell it out for you just in case you really are that stupid:
- you were just banned and now have a new user name
- uglyphil has just seen you posting as a new user
- he responded to your far right liberal baiting crap
- now he is going to ignore you
Do you get it ?

[uglyphil]

Oh, is that what he said to me. Thanks for spelling it out for the feeble minded one CL :)

(Actually, I think I may have suggested his new user name with that last sentence)

As for "truth", the troll is right in that you cannot argue against it. I notice he didn't say anything I had pointed out to him was wrong, for example, mainly 'cause it isn't. However almost everything he says is wrong, so any argument will stack up nicely. As to Abbott being in for a good reason, well, he isn't. He is in for a bad reason - i.e. the last Labor Govt. However people are finally realising that, unfortunately for us, in this case it was better the devil we already knew :(

[SirLaughsAlot]

As for "truth", the troll is right in that you cannot argue against it.(

So, we are in some kind of sacred core agreement, at least on a certain level.
I suppose the question is, "what is the truth?" I suspect you think science is truth,
until it gets revised and then becomes a new truth. Scientific knowledge necessarily
evolves over time, with the "scientific truth" evolving too. Sacred truth never changes.

[diamondeyez]

Indigenous Australians have an extremely high rate of welfare dependence. Reducing government debt and narrowing the budget deficit means that the Australian welfare system is viable in the longer term.

Stop thinking so narrowly. A healthy economy is in everyone's interest. Welfare recipients benefit. Indigenous Australians benefit. We all benefit.

[uglyphil]

Hello proximo ;)

[wilisno]

Stop thinking so narrowly. A healthy economy is in everyone's interest. Welfare recipients benefit. Indigenous Australians benefit. We all benefit.

True ! A healthy economy is in everyone's interest only if the cut ! cut ! cut ! is leading to a healthy economy, stop thinking so narrowly !

[wilisno]

Hello proximo ;)
You might be right too ! :miao:

[SirLaughsAlot]

You might be right too ! :miao:


I proudly take ownership of every name in the "banned table" except for Proximo.
That is why I wrote the fairwell poem for Proximo.

I don't want to be credited or discredited with something that is not of my doing.
Similarly, I don't want anyone to be credited or discredited with my moves.
Like I said, amongst many other things, I'm proud.

I'm currently fine tuning a fabulous erotic poem for posting this coming Saturday,
you'll be reaching for the tissues when you read it.....I'll keep you updated.

[uglyphil]

You might be right too ! :miao:

Easier to spot than balls on a cow ;)

[waynekerr]

If you cut the head off a snake, it grows another...Hmmm

How about; You can't circumcise him because there is no end to the prick.

WayneK.