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fli
17-05-2014, 06:59 PM
I have been thinking – a very hard task for me! After a few disappointing events over the last year or so, I have been struck by how much the management of a place can affect my punting choices and I have wondered whether it is me or whether some managements are almost an obstacle to getting what I want. As someone who often looks at management of companies, this is of interest to me and personally, I am amazed that what seems common sense to me is ignored e.g. checking emails and replying to emails if they give an email address on their website.

I have three examples that particularly made me wonder if I am missing the point completely. I am not trying to pick fights and so I am not going to identify the places - but these events are what has made me wonder about management and write this post.

Example 1: Complete non-service

I went to a full service place recently – in fact, I had been thinking of making it my regular place and had had three sessions there over a two week period – all quite good and while none was a compelling revisit, all the girls did more than the minimum expected and I would see them again.

The last time was, however, very unsatisfactory. The girl was pleasant and good-looking and so I was positive. Unlike the other girls who showered with me, she sent me to the shower on my own and then showered herself. When she came back, she let me hug her briefly before lying on the bed and letting me kiss her nipples and then she cautiously opened her legs and let me give her DATY until she came (or maybe pretended to cum),

Then she seemed to think the sexual part of the session was effectively over – there was no attempt to satisfy me. She kept her hands on her body, covering her pussy area. She didn’t even ask what I wanted and I would have to have demanded. She talked in a friendly manner but was totally uninterested in doing anything that might please me. I know I could have told her what I wanted but by the time I demanded, the fun would have gone out of it. I looked at the clock to see how much time left in the session – about 25 minutes – and she said “Do you have to go back to work now?”

For a one hour session costing over $300, I was amazed she could think that she had done enough but I wasn’t going to force her and so I went had a shower. When I came back, she said she was going to have a shower and I could leave when I had dressed.
This girl had been advertised as providing good service including BBBJ, cim and cof but for the $300+, I got no attempt to satisfy me. I sent a message to the reception, that it had been an unsatisfactory session. The first response was “sorry – I will talk to the girl and then our manager.” (A good response.)

Later I was told that the girl had thought the session was fine and she had found me pleasant but maybe she needed more training. Then there was an implication that they might sack her. I don’t like getting girls sacked and so I suggested she be given another chance but also since I worried that maybe it was something wrong with me, I offered that if I wasn’t welcome, I could go away – I had hoped they would say the usual “no, you are welcome to come again” but instead I got the response “Okay we will (keep her). Hope u have a good life even if it was too short. Enjoy it, Lol.” – very cryptic but I wondered if was a way of saying “drop dead soon”.

I tried to contact the manager for clarification but got no response – so I have given up on the place – a pity since it has some good girls.
I probably should have insisted more with the girl and not asked if I was welcome or not but I wonder a bit about management being not even slightly interested in keeping a paying client who was shown not to bully the girls and was trying to be reasonable.

Complete disregard

Before this, I was at an R&T place a few months back. Clearly it was pretty busy and the receptionist (and possibly owner) decided to give me the massage herself. About 10 minutes into the session, an argument erupted outside and she went out and joined in. I was left naked on the table unattended for about 30 minutes – the fight kept on – and finally the manager came in and told me someone else would finish off – I received a very perfunctory service from a girl who seemed to have no clue.

I am quite philosophic – these things happen – and so just as in the first case, I didn’t want to make too much of it.
However, when I left, the receptionist collared me – not to apologise but to tell me about the argument and ask me what she should do – I was underwhelmed: as a paying client, I thought some form of apology should be forthcoming before anything else – I made some minor suggestions and headed off.

Why did the receptionist think my service so unimportant that she could just disregard my session and think I should be focused on her problems?

Too Much Emotion

The third example is more ambiguous and I had a few serious lapses of judgement but nothing I believe that was very grevious. I had got to know the management reasonably well – I was a regular but I stupidly sent a message to them that should have gone to another competing shop. I am amazed at my own stupidity but I was quite upset at the time since I had been told something that made me feel I was being treated like a fool and made it clear I was upset.

Suffice it to say I was accused of trying to make trouble (I Wasn’t) and of telling te girls bad things about the management (in fact I was saying they are one of the better management towards the girls). Everything I said seemed to make it worse and I had to give up. They told me all the girls knew how bad I was and hated me – in fact at least four of them didn’t since I have been contacted by them since.

What astonished me was not that they were annoyed or even that they kicked out one of their highest paying customers – it was that I received a message telling me to go kill myself and then a following three messages that were just expletive filled abuse. In management, the first rule is to be polite and controlled – decisions and communications should never be abusive even if the client is completely wrong.

I am interested in the girls not the management

In my humble opinion, punting is about the service and this depends basically on the workers – the girls (or guys if your taste goes that way) who provide the service. Management should be there to facilitate the meetings and ensure that the girls are safe and they understand what is expected of them so that they can decide if they want a job or not.

Management is not the centre of the world

I feel too often that management thinks it is all about them and assumes a role of traffic officer that regulates the flow of clients – not necessarily to the benefit of the girls or the clients. Moreover, my encounters with management have sometimes shown a rather obvious level of disdain for the clients – and a number of girls I have got to know have told me they get the same disdainful treatment. Perhaps the most noticeable aspect is quite a number of times at different places, the fact that I am paying – and paying well – for a service has been treated as almost an irrelevancy compared to some annoyance that they have recently had e.g. a rude client or an argument with someone.

Why does management not care?

Why is this so? Is it just that the supply-demand equation is so unbalanced (i.e. too many clients vs girls) that management doesn’t need to care what punters want and can expect punters to accept whatever is doled out in order to get access to the girls? Or maybe it is that a section of the punting community is so offensive and aggressive that managements almost defensively assume the worst of all? But for me, a client who is keen to see the girls and will always try to be polite and reasonable with administration and girls, this attitude is a frustration.

Maybe I am unrealistic

Maybe I am unimportant. However, alleged this is a service industry and making the client feel at least relevant to the process is, to my mind, an important part of the whole. It made me wonder about the management quality across the Sydney scene – and realise that there is (with some notable exceptions) an attitude that the client is less important.

Curious to hear other punters’ views and also to hear of good experiences – I would love to be proved wrong. I am still looking for that place convenient to the city where I, a middle aged Westerner, can go two or three times a week – my budget is quite substantial – especially since my regular private service girl has just got a straight job. Replies or messages are welcome on this topic. Thanks,
F.

paulgallen
17-05-2014, 07:39 PM
The first example was a GFE. Some gf don't even let u bonk them. Lol
Second example, u are highly regarded thats why they seek your advise.
As for the other agencies that ignored you, you might as well name and shamethem. Since u did attempt to contact them and they just told u to fuck off and die soon.

greybeard_
17-05-2014, 07:57 PM
wow, long post.

You sound passive agressive and bitchy. I don't believe you told the whole story in any of those three anecdotes and I'm sure the shop owners and girls all had very good reasons for not liking you and not wanting you as a customer. I don't even know you and I dislike you intensely, so I can only imagine how they must feel.

oh, and in regard to that first story, I think its absolutely PATHETIC that you would never even tell a girl that you were ready to fuck, leave without even letting her know this is what you want, and then have the nerve to write a snotty email to the shop and a whingey post on aus99 to complain! Are you autistic or do you just lack any social skills??

fli
19-05-2014, 09:07 PM
The first example was a GFE. Some gf don't even let u bonk them. Lol
Second example, u are highly regarded thats why they seek your advise.
As for the other agencies that ignored you, you might as well name and shamethem. Since u did attempt to contact them and they just told u to fuck off and die soon.
Thanks Paul - a nice reply - I like your style: GFE!? I have had a few girl friends like that but I haven't had to pay them $300+ in cash up front.

fli
19-05-2014, 09:17 PM
wow, long post.

You sound passive agressive and bitchy. I don't believe you told the whole story in any of those three anecdotes and I'm sure the shop owners and girls all had very good reasons for not liking you and not wanting you as a customer. I don't even know you and I dislike you intensely, so I can only imagine how they must feel.

oh, and in regard to that first story, I think its absolutely PATHETIC that you would never even tell a girl that you were ready to fuck, leave without even letting her know this is what you want, and then have the nerve to write a snotty email to the shop and a whingey post on aus99 to complain! Are you autistic or do you just lack any social skills??

Ok! my post was a bit long – but I didn’t hold a gun to anyone’s head and demand they read it. Whinging? Well I guess it can be put that way but when I am talking about problems with management, it would be a bit strange to tell lots of positive stories – I should however emphasise that I have had great experiences with girls – at the first and especially at the third place I mentioned. In fact, my post was not about the girls but about management.
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I could have demanded the girl in the first example give me sex but I enjoy the girl willingly offering services – if I have to demand, it reduces the session to a negotiation. In almost all cases, girls provide great service and I enjoy it all the more for knowing they are not being forced by me. I have only had 2 or 3 cases where this hasn’t worked in all my years of punting – so it’s an approach that works for me and is my taste – others might enjoy different. However, I was not out to get the girl in this case – just to tell the staff that service was not at all as described in this session. Are you saying that I should just accept whatever I receive and pay out for it contentedly?

As for there being “more to the story” of course there is – there is always more to every story which is why in the most complex case I admitted to errors of judgement and didn’t attack management for banning me – although I believe it to be unfair – since in their own perceptions clearly I was wrong – however there are professional ways of responding: given I had not used any expletives, was not threatening them – although I wonder if they totally misinterpreted some things, the response should not have been in a series of expletives (some needing Google Translate!) - it should have been a dispassionate dismissal. Emotion should not govern business sense.

Sorry to hear you hate me Greybeard but I can live with that. If all the managements hate me, it is intriguing since they don't know me - usually all I ask is when can I book. I have only got to know two managements – the one in my third example who were very welcoming of me for about two and a half years and well over 300 visits and another one which has now disappeared but always greeted me with delight when I visited. The girls with whom I have had the real dealings with (after all I don’t go to any brothel to see the management) seem to welcome me because I am polite, relatively undemanding and tip well for extra services.

But whether I am likeable or not is an irrelevancy – the goal of successful management in any enterprise is to make money and so, even if they dislike me personally, provided the girls are willing to see me, good business sense suggests that they take my money unless some compelling reason says otherwise. It amazes me that the maxim about “a fool and his money” is failing here – these organisations don’t want to separate me from it!

Would I go back to the places I discussed? Yes – in the first and third cases – if I was told it was ok to go - after all the girls are great and that is what I am really interested in; but I am realistic that i am not going to be told that - I think I will win lotto first. Both places have great girls and so I am reluctant to discourage others from visiting them by naming them – what I do warn is be careful in dealing with management anywhere – it may cause more trouble than good.

I would still love to hear about places that welcome Westerners and are near the city (so can be visited in a 2 hour lunch break) - especially if you think they are well-managed. I would love to be proved wrong about management.

the doctor.
19-05-2014, 10:12 PM
Good read.. It has filled that missing link I have been wondering about for some time.
It seems to make sense now and no it doesn't surprise me.

x11
20-05-2014, 10:11 AM
part of the problem is that the receptionist managers etc don't usually come from a corporate Background nor have that training. often the receptionist is one of the more senior girls working there to so they don't always think about the differences between customer and service provider

I do find that there is a big difference in when owners are at reception compared to when one of the girls are there.

AHLUNGOR
20-05-2014, 10:59 AM
part of the problem is that the receptionist managers etc don't usually come from a corporate Background nor have that training. often the receptionist is one of the more senior girls working there to so they don't always think about the differences between customer and service provider

I do find that there is a big difference in when owners are at reception compared to when one of the girls are there.


From the good old days of 501/532 Newtown where Miko and David always did a good job!

To many of my Mamasan friends currently , many of them being rated very highly in providing good customer services:

Vicky, Foxy, Coco, Candy and Alice to name just a few !

Nicole and Summer are fast making a name for themselves too.

Cheers