Audrey - Starfish princess

[4some]

I've seen in the past where users of this forum have submitted negative reviews, and for whatever reason, often these guys would get attacked or criticised (and unfairly). But I know when I read these reviews I value them as much as the positive reviews. So hopefully, there will be some of you who will appreciate this review.

I have had poor experiences in the past with some girls, but I figure you get what you pay for. I have never had bad service in the $300+ range previously until Audrey. So when I have had the poor service it's been in the under price $200 range and so I let it slide.

However, I feel compelled to write a review about my booking with Audrey - the starfish princess, given I had to pay $350 for the privilege. And I guess I'll prepare myself for all the other users that will come to her defence and of MOC and critique/attack my review.

Basically, if you are short on time, my issues with her were:

1. no DFK - I had to constantly ask if she could use her tongue to kiss. Her lips were sealed like a clam, and maybe once or twice I caught sight of her tongue
2. She was a starfish in bed - no affection or effort.
3. she clock watched. It ended up being a 45 min session. What do you do when the girls wants to finish and says times up - it just kills the moment when you have to say, "Are you sure - we have some more time left?" I could have said something, but then everything becomes so awkward.

I had an early indication that something was wrong because when I tried to kiss her in the shower, she pulled away, but I just put it down to her slowly warming into the action. She was quite good at talking and having a conversation - she was happy to do that. But unfortunately, it was like that for the rest of the session - no DFK (at least there was plenty of pussy juice - so she must have been turned on enough, but not enough to give me a GFE).

And before you ask - no, I didn't smell -I had used mouthwash etc etc and I was friendly etc and this was early evening so she wasn't tired.

To add to my misery, the booking started more than 30 mins late - MOC mucked me around with apartments. They told me to go to the lobby of Apartment/hotel A. So I wait there for 10 mins. Then they tell me to go to Apartment B. James takes me up to the Apartment - stinks of smoke, there's a vacuum cleaner in the entrance to this tiny bedroom and cigarette butts in an ash tray next to the bed. so then he tells me to go back to the lobby of the first place and wait there. Finally can go up to the room - small and pokey - classy (not).

Straight after my session I called MOC to voice my disappointment. After 2 days of going back and forth with MOC, it became a case of he says, she says. Obviously, Audrey is going to deny everything. So in the end MOC has refused to do anything. Not sure what happened to the philosophy of the customer is always right. I would have thought as a goodwill gesture MOC could have offered some sort of discount for a future booking with another girl. The reality of the situation hit home when they said if I could prove that Audrey had done the wrong thing, then Audrey would have to agree to refund me $50 (this is how much they said I could get back if she agreed to it). So of course she is going to say she provided excellent service - and after all she has gone into this business to make money - not to give it back.

No doubt, there will be others who will have had a better time with Audrey and the old saying about YMMV gets wheeled out. But as a regular user/reviewer on this forum, others should be aware that just like me, it could be hit or miss with her, and given there are plenty of other agencies around, definitely think about booking a girl who you know will give consistently good service.

Anyway, hopefully, I won't have any more dud roots for a long time to come - such an expensive bloody waste of time and money. And hopefully, I have saved some users/readers of this forum some money and time as well by writing about this.

[Max Impact]

4some, I'm really sorry for your experience and I know that your decision to visit was largely based on my review.

My review as with all of them was not exaggerated. I have no idea what was up with Audrey. Based on my experience I am eager to see her again.

I saw a girl at MOC who was no good a month ago (I mentioned her name to you I think). I received a partial refund and she soon later didn't work there.

Again, I'm sorry for your loss.

[solopuntsydney]

wow sorry to hear about that. I can imagine one would be pissed off when you have paid 350 for that.

OP was this the first time you went to MOC?

I supposed the MOC took Max Impact's complaint more seriously maybe because he's a regular? Or they sacked that girl because there were others complaining about her as well...

[Oneonone]

Just goes to show you can pay $150 or $350 or more and still get a bad punt.

I guess all girls can have a bad day and sometimes its just that we don't click with the girl.

Thanks for sharing bro and if other bros don't agree with you that's fair enough but I think that we all should be encouraged to write if we have a bad punt in my opinion it gives your good punts more credibility.

It is definitely harder to write about a poor punt.

Sorry to hear of your disappointment.

[Sextus]

Straight after my session I called MOC to voice my disappointment. After 2 days of going back and forth with MOC, it became a case of he says, she says. Obviously, Audrey is going to deny everything. So in the end MOC has refused to do anything.

It never hurts to mention that you will be posting a review on this forum. Everytime one of these negative reviews from MOC does get posted, suddenly there is a lot more action from them! Looks like the full ashtrays and mess has crept back in too.

[4some]

It never hurts to mention that you will be posting a review on this forum. Everytime one of these negative reviews from MOC does get posted, suddenly there is a lot more action from them! Looks like the full ashtrays and mess has crept back in too.

Thanks for all of the responses. Live and learn, I guess. At least now if I've taken one for the team, and I've helped others; oh well - maybe there's some positives then...

Max - not to worry. I have to admit I did book her based on your review. The ironic thing is that Audrey was happy to chat (so we "clicked" in that sense - well click as much as you can given the artificial circumstances, she but was just so lazy in bed and showed absolute disinterest).

In reality, what can you do if a girl acts like this during the session. You can't just walk away without payment, you just have to make the most if it - I've seen too many movies to make me think that if I try to walk out in protest, that once I walk out of the room some guys with dragon tattoos and a pinky or 2 missing will make sure that I will be paying up anyway plus with interest!!

But Max - what did you do to get some sort of refund out of MOC?

[yellow_fever]

It must be tough running one of these mid range shows. The money isn't huge enough like it is for top shelf girls that it really motivates the girls to provide a once in a lifetime experience to the punter, but it is high enough that guys are expecting to get something special. I can only imagine the girls are getting maybe half the money if the shop covers the apartment, or maybe they get $200. I've been tempted into the $300+ category a couple times over the years, and never really had any great punts there with privates who always seem a little overpriced and underperforming for what you pay anyhow. If I was going to have a punt at MOC I'd be thinking of it not as a $350 punt, but as a $250 punt with a $100 hotel fee. At that price I'd be hoping the room was clean and the girl was genuinely young and pretty and provided some decent services, but I still wouldn't be expecting to get a guaranteed connection or stellar performance every time.

I've had a lot of great punts at $150. I've had plenty of duds too, but they just don't hurt as much. The good:dud ratio is probably higher at $300+, but it's hard to do the math on how that averages out when you're getting 2 punts for every 1. Research is always a good thing, and generally when I've read up on a girl and she offers the type of service I'm looking for I do have a good time.

[tarl1975]

Well... Bro 4Some, I was visiting MOC every 3 weeks, had a dud, made a complaint, help them to improve their amenities, and did not get any refund. Nowadays, I have only been there twice since my episode... MOC James is good to me though, I have to admit. Will I still go there? Yes, but not as often as before...

[allenby]

Bro 4some,

I've only seen 2 moc girls and had really good service from both,
I had an issue with a girl and I complained to moc and they promised to give me $100 off my next appointment?
I saw the girl for 2 hours and she is no longer on the website.
I also value the bad experiences as it really helps in choosing the right girls?
Because I don't live in sydney and I punt very infrequently I really need the help of reviews being positive or negative.
I've seen 4 girls all based on reviews 2 from moc and 2 from ginza and I've had really good experiences with all girls.

[Max Impact]

After my session with the girl that was different to advertised I called the papassan straight after and he met me downstairs straight away. He was very apologetic and I received a text later confirming a credit of about a third of my booking fee.

[CunningLinguist]

I've seen in the past where users of this forum have submitted negative reviews, and for whatever reason, often these guys would get attacked or criticised (and unfairly). But I know when I read these reviews I value them as much as the positive reviews. So hopefully, there will be some of you who will appreciate this review.

I have had poor experiences in the past with some girls, but I figure you get what you pay for. I have never had bad service in the $300+ range previously until Audrey. So when I have had the poor service it's been in the under price $200 range and so I let it slide.

However, I feel compelled to write a review about my booking with Audrey - the starfish princess, given I had to pay $350 for the privilege. And I guess I'll prepare myself for all the other users that will come to her defence and of MOC and critique/attack my review.

Basically, if you are short on time, my issues with her were:

1. no DFK - I had to constantly ask if she could use her tongue to kiss. Her lips were sealed like a clam, and maybe once or twice I caught sight of her tongue
2. She was a starfish in bed - no affection or effort.
3. she clock watched. It ended up being a 45 min session. What do you do when the girls wants to finish and says times up - it just kills the moment when you have to say, "Are you sure - we have some more time left?" I could have said something, but then everything becomes so awkward.

I had an early indication that something was wrong because when I tried to kiss her in the shower, she pulled away, but I just put it down to her slowly warming into the action. She was quite good at talking and having a conversation - she was happy to do that. But unfortunately, it was like that for the rest of the session - no DFK (at least there was plenty of pussy juice - so she must have been turned on enough, but not enough to give me a GFE).

And before you ask - no, I didn't smell -I had used mouthwash etc etc and I was friendly etc and this was early evening so she wasn't tired.

To add to my misery, the booking started more than 30 mins late - MOC mucked me around with apartments. They told me to go to the lobby of Apartment/hotel A. So I wait there for 10 mins. Then they tell me to go to Apartment B. James takes me up to the Apartment - stinks of smoke, there's a vacuum cleaner in the entrance to this tiny bedroom and cigarette butts in an ash tray next to the bed. so then he tells me to go back to the lobby of the first place and wait there. Finally can go up to the room - small and pokey - classy (not).

Straight after my session I called MOC to voice my disappointment. After 2 days of going back and forth with MOC, it became a case of he says, she says. Obviously, Audrey is going to deny everything. So in the end MOC has refused to do anything. Not sure what happened to the philosophy of the customer is always right. I would have thought as a goodwill gesture MOC could have offered some sort of discount for a future booking with another girl. The reality of the situation hit home when they said if I could prove that Audrey had done the wrong thing, then Audrey would have to agree to refund me $50 (this is how much they said I could get back if she agreed to it). So of course she is going to say she provided excellent service - and after all she has gone into this business to make money - not to give it back.

No doubt, there will be others who will have had a better time with Audrey and the old saying about YMMV gets wheeled out. But as a regular user/reviewer on this forum, others should be aware that just like me, it could be hit or miss with her, and given there are plenty of other agencies around, definitely think about booking a girl who you know will give consistently good service.

Anyway, hopefully, I won't have any more dud roots for a long time to come - such an expensive bloody waste of time and money. And hopefully, I have saved some users/readers of this forum some money and time as well by writing about this.

Sorry to hear about your dud punt.
I have had similar experiences.
I don't go to MOC anymore.
I used to go their alot.
Their service and quality of girls is not up to scratch now.

[CunningLinguist]

After my session with the girl that was different to advertised I called the papassan straight after and he met me downstairs straight away. He was very apologetic and I received a text later confirming a credit of about a third of my booking fee.

I think you got special treatment because you are friends with him.

[AHLUNGOR]

I think you got special treatment because you are friends with him.

And get extra good services because they know who you are ??

[bbbccc123]

All my punts so far at moc were great experience. May be dkf is important to you 4some bro. But what matter to me in my opion is the girls look and age matches what was describe on the web site. Agree?

There ain't that many agency that can provide genuine young and pretty girls like moc I think. You get what you pay for I suppose. Any other agency can provide same quality girls as moc. Please share anyone the good stuff!

[yellow_fever]

I think you are paying quite a premium for the genuinely younger girls, and to be honest I kind of prefer the older girls ;-)

Places like MOC do have genuinely young girls while many places that post about young girls area actually more like in the late 20/early 30 or even more often in the late 30/early 40 age range. Most non asian bros couldn't pick the difference, and will often estimate a 50+ WL as being in her 20's (I kid you not!).

[CunningLinguist]

All my punts so far at moc were great experience. May be dkf is important to you 4some bro. But what matter to me in my opion is the girls look and age matches what was describe on the web site. Agree?

There ain't that many agency that can provide genuine young and pretty girls like moc I think. You get what you pay for I suppose. Any other agency can provide same quality girls as moc. Please share anyone the good stuff!

I just checked your post history you don't seem to have reviewed any MOC girls. Who have you seen ?
You also fail to understand that you are paying for GFE and services at MOC prices, not just looks and age.
If you bother to read the forum you will see there are alternatives.

[bbbccc123]

I think you are paying quite a premium for the genuinely younger girls, and to be honest I kind of prefer the older girls ;-)

Places like MOC do have genuinely young girls while many places that post about young girls area actually more like in the late 20/early 30 or even more often in the late 30/early 40 age range. Most non asian bros couldn't pick the difference, and will often estimate a 50+ WL as being in her 20's (I kid you not!).


Yup, some place advertise girl as 24 but truth is the real age is at least 10 years older or 40+. And most of the time photo doesn't match what was expected, This is the most turned off, you booked a girl base on the photo and when you turned up and realised she's not what you were looking for. Like the girl has ugly face. Then leave you no choice but bad punt destroying your mood for long long time.

Yes you pay a premium for MOC, but at least your can be sure the quality, no surprises. I would rather pay the premium then risk disappointment.

[Max Impact]

I think you got special treatment because you are friends with him.

CL, I've listened to some of your cynical replies but you've called me out too many times now.
I have never met Duncan from MOC or Yamada from TMC. I've meet the groundskeeper from 5* but he never discounted me. he won't even let me see Lily when I want. MOC and TMC give me no special treatment!

When you criticise and level accusations it is against an individual like me.
Please realise that.

[AHLUNGOR]

I think you are paying quite a premium for the genuinely younger girls, and to be honest I kind of prefer the older girls ;-)

Places like MOC do have genuinely young girls while many places that post about young girls area actually more like in the late 20/early 30 or even more often in the late 30/early 40 age range. Most non asian bros couldn't pick the difference, and will often estimate a 50+ WL as being in her 20's (I kid you not!).

Well, I won't say I prefer older women, it's just that at my age: a 20 yo, a 30 yo and a 40 yo are all much younger than me anyway ! So I really don't see the value for paying big money to see a younger girl in the 20's !

At $350/hr 1 shot! that 4 times $85/30 Min = my punting budget for two weeks ! It's a no brainer!

Cheers

[bbbccc123]

I just checked your post history you don't seem to have reviewed any MOC girls. Who have you seen ?
You also fail to understand that you are paying for GFE and services at MOC prices, not just looks and age.
If you bother to read the forum you will see there are alternatives.

Well I don't like to write reviews anyway. What's the alternative? Blue moon or mygirlsdorm? Not many review.

[bbbccc123]

Well, I won't say I prefer older women, it's just that at my age: a 20 yo, a 30 yo and a 40 yo are all much younger than me anyway ! So I really don't see the value for paying big money to see a younger girl in the 20's !

At $350/hr 1 shot! that 4 times $85/30 Min = my punting budget for two weeks ! It's a no brainer!

Cheers

We'll I guess for some people quality is more important than quantity... What's the point of 10 bad punt?????

[lockhart]

Do frequent MOC and only had one bad experience, which was 3 years ago when they were still at World Square ( due to the physical condition of the girl .... couldn't cross the line...) Since then Cross Fingers all fine. MOC James is a good guy and very helpful
With advertised services not honoured, OP is rightly to complaint and share the experience.
Good luck next round.

[lockhart]

We'll I guess for some people quality is more important than quantity... What's the point of 10 bad punt?????

It all comes down to affordability !- if can afford surely will be picky and after quality young, pretty look girls PLUS good services

[wilisno]

Just goes to show you can pay $150 or $350 or more and still get a bad punt.

You can have a bad punt whatever you pay, be it the highest priced escort. You're both human beings with feelings and chemistry in the session !

You can get extreme services at very low price if you so prefer, but for others, youth and freshness is what they're after.

For young girls like those in outcall agencies, such as MOC, the lack of services and skills is part of the attraction ! As long as they're truely young and inexperienced, it's part of the fun showing them the ropes, just like making out with a young girlfriend . If they're really friendly and eager to learn, it's not what you can get from a seasoned WL !

I rarely encountered any resistance from MOC girls although some might be more enthusiastic than others, you get what you paid for !

But there are also some extremely difficult customers out there too, some girls told me they had bookings where the customers had 3-4 shots then cuddle and chat, and still asked for a refund afterwards !

[the doctor.]

It all comes down to choice and we are very lucky here that we can choose be it budget or premium.
There are great girls, from the little older experienced w/l's to the younger cuties that you guide for all wallets.
Its just hard for me to spend that much and be disappointed. .but I sometimes you just have no control of
how the session goes no matter how hard you try to make it work.

[wilisno]

.
Its just hard for me to spend that much and be disappointed.

It works both ways, for others, it's hard to spend anything for something that's not what you want. Even disappointment is out of the question because you're not excited in the first place !

[ch00080204]

I've seen in the past where users of this forum have submitted negative reviews, and for whatever reason, often these guys would get attacked or criticised (and unfairly). But I know when I read these reviews I value them as much as the positive reviews. So hopefully, there will be some of you who will appreciate this review.

I have had poor experiences in the past with some girls, but I figure you get what you pay for. I have never had bad service in the $300+ range previously until Audrey. So when I have had the poor service it's been in the under price $200 range and so I let it slide.

However, I feel compelled to write a review about my booking with Audrey - the starfish princess, given I had to pay $350 for the privilege. And I guess I'll prepare myself for all the other users that will come to her defence and of MOC and critique/attack my review.

Basically, if you are short on time, my issues with her were:

1. no DFK - I had to constantly ask if she could use her tongue to kiss. Her lips were sealed like a clam, and maybe once or twice I caught sight of her tongue
2. She was a starfish in bed - no affection or effort.
3. she clock watched. It ended up being a 45 min session. What do you do when the girls wants to finish and says times up - it just kills the moment when you have to say, "Are you sure - we have some more time left?" I could have said something, but then everything becomes so awkward.

I had an early indication that something was wrong because when I tried to kiss her in the shower, she pulled away, but I just put it down to her slowly warming into the action. She was quite good at talking and having a conversation - she was happy to do that. But unfortunately, it was like that for the rest of the session - no DFK (at least there was plenty of pussy juice - so she must have been turned on enough, but not enough to give me a GFE).

And before you ask - no, I didn't smell -I had used mouthwash etc etc and I was friendly etc and this was early evening so she wasn't tired.

To add to my misery, the booking started more than 30 mins late - MOC mucked me around with apartments. They told me to go to the lobby of Apartment/hotel A. So I wait there for 10 mins. Then they tell me to go to Apartment B. James takes me up to the Apartment - stinks of smoke, there's a vacuum cleaner in the entrance to this tiny bedroom and cigarette butts in an ash tray next to the bed. so then he tells me to go back to the lobby of the first place and wait there. Finally can go up to the room - small and pokey - classy (not).

Straight after my session I called MOC to voice my disappointment. After 2 days of going back and forth with MOC, it became a case of he says, she says. Obviously, Audrey is going to deny everything. So in the end MOC has refused to do anything. Not sure what happened to the philosophy of the customer is always right. I would have thought as a goodwill gesture MOC could have offered some sort of discount for a future booking with another girl. The reality of the situation hit home when they said if I could prove that Audrey had done the wrong thing, then Audrey would have to agree to refund me $50 (this is how much they said I could get back if she agreed to it). So of course she is going to say she provided excellent service - and after all she has gone into this business to make money - not to give it back.

No doubt, there will be others who will have had a better time with Audrey and the old saying about YMMV gets wheeled out. But as a regular user/reviewer on this forum, others should be aware that just like me, it could be hit or miss with her, and given there are plenty of other agencies around, definitely think about booking a girl who you know will give consistently good service.

Anyway, hopefully, I won't have any more dud roots for a long time to come - such an expensive bloody waste of time and money. And hopefully, I have saved some users/readers of this forum some money and time as well by writing about this.

I normally hide underwater, cuz my english is not really good, but I am an old punter, registered this account two years ago. I would like to point out that, if you spend $300+/hr, you are expecting a good looking and good service lady. We all doing different sorts of business here, if the product we received is not as described at least you should give some sort of refund or discount. Therefore I totally agree with you. I live pretty far away from city. Tried there service once, spent $380/hr for Molan. She's pretty hot, but her fake moan was a huge turn down for me, and she couldn't perform the proper DFK. Moreover, she just want you to cum as soon as you could.It might be my "bad luck", but I won't spend $150 more for this kind of bad punt, because I could get a better service with less money somewhere else. Therefore business owner should know that if you charge a high price, you should reach a high standard service, all the advertised words should be responsible for your customers. The service you provide should be responsible for the money we spend.

[CunningLinguist]

I normally hide underwater, cuz my english is not really good, but I am an old punter, registered this account two years ago. I would like to point out that, if you spend $300+/hr, you are expecting a good looking and good service lady. We all doing different sorts of business here, if the product we received is not as described at least you should give some sort of refund or discount. Therefore I totally agree with you. I live pretty far away from city. Tried there service once, spent $380/hr for Molan. She's pretty hot, but her fake moan was a huge turn down for me, and she couldn't perform the proper DFK. Moreover, she just want you to cum as soon as you could.It might be my "bad luck", but I won't spend $150 more for this kind of bad punt, because I could get a better service with less money somewhere else. Therefore business owner should know that if you charge a high price, you should reach a high standard service, all the advertised words should be responsible for your customers. The service you provide should be responsible for the money we spend.

Yes, as you spend more the risk of a bad punt should be less, the girl should do the advertised services, and if she doesn't then a refund is in order.
In my early days at MOC every punt was good, but not these days ...

[the doctor.]

Yes..the shop should have a duty of care regardless of the price point.
Even more so when you pay a premuim for the girl.
The shop should be looking at addressing any issues with the girl promptly and reimburse its customers if / as necessary.

[CunningLinguist]

CL, I've listened to some of your cynical replies but you've called me out too many times now.
I have never met Duncan from MOC or Yamada from TMC. I've meet the groundskeeper from 5* but he never discounted me. he won't even let me see Lily when I want. MOC and TMC give me no special treatment!

When you criticise and level accusations it is against an individual like me.
Please realise that.

I don't remember calling you out, calling you out for what ?

[4some]

I normally hide underwater, cuz my english is not really good, but I am an old punter, registered this account two years ago. I would like to point out that, if you spend $300+/hr, you are expecting a good looking and good service lady. We all doing different sorts of business here, if the product we received is not as described at least you should give some sort of refund or discount. Therefore I totally agree with you. I live pretty far away from city. Tried there service once, spent $380/hr for Molan. She's pretty hot, but her fake moan was a huge turn down for me, and she couldn't perform the proper DFK. Moreover, she just want you to cum as soon as you could.It might be my "bad luck", but I won't spend $150 more for this kind of bad punt, because I could get a better service with less money somewhere else. Therefore business owner should know that if you charge a high price, you should reach a high standard service, all the advertised words should be responsible for your customers. The service you provide should be responsible for the money we spend.


Sounds like you had a similar experience to me. Looks like I am definitely not alone here. Some of these girls & MOC think they can get away with it because of their looks and unfortunately too many guys put up with it or just put it down to lack of "chemistry".

On the MOC website, Audrey is advertised as "GFE Guaranteed" and offers "DFK". I'd like to know how I can make sure that guarantee applied to me.

If you are paying over $300 and an agency is positioning themselves as offering high quality girls and "premium" services then we should expect to receive it.

So CH, I hope at least by me posting my review, I have saved you a trip into town and $350 by not making a booking with A. And you have certainly saved me from making the same mistake by not booking Molan.

[Max Impact]

I don't remember calling you out, calling you out for what ?

I thought that you were inferring I receive special treatment from some shops? I'm sorry if I mistook your comment CL.

It makes me a very grumpy pirate when I hear that.

[black knight]

Good on u 4some for your post! I was considering her this week but these days I am very apprehensive about forking out $350 to $400 for a substandard experience, and alas Ive had more bad experiences than good at these places.
Yes you do find good ones but I have been punting for a long time and these agencies have become complacent and these days pass off average girls as models.
MOC used to be good but these days the girls are average. They say it is hard to recruit girls but should that be our problem?
Thats why we're paying them isn't it?
Some guys think that $350 isn't much money, i totally disagree, the agencies and the girls have become greedy and the girls even lazier. It's a case of bad habits breeding bad habits. Over time there is this new expectation that 350 is the norm... It definitely isn't!
Very good post Sifu and I totally agree.

[bbbccc123]

Good on u 4some for your post! I was considering her this week but these days I am very apprehensive about forking out $350 to $400 for a substandard experience, and alas Ive had more bad experiences than good at these places.
Yes you do find good ones but I have been punting for a long time and these agencies have become complacent and these days pass off average girls as models.
MOC used to be good but these days the girls are average. They say it is hard to recruit girls but should that be our problem?
Thats why we're paying them isn't it?
Some guys think that $350 isn't much money, i totally disagree, the agencies and the girls have become greedy and the girls even lazier. It's a case of bad habits breeding bad habits. Over time there is this new expectation that 350 is the norm... It definitely isn't!


WELL said. I agree too. I guess 350-400 is premium price. even more expensive than upper class blonde shops like liaison or stiletto

[slowmotion]

I agree too. Saw one of MOC girls for 2 hour 2 weeks ago and the standard was down compared to last year. I will give other agencies a try before I go back to MOC.

[Onepunt]

I agree too. Saw one of MOC girls for 2 hour 2 weeks ago and the standard was down compared to last year. I will give other agencies a try before I go back to MOC.

LOL. Where is the man? -Duncan. If all these talks keep going, all girls will only sit in your common area until Marcus back on schedule. Was about to book big lips today, now I don't know.

[Max Impact]

Big lips lol! Sounds like you know more about her than anyone!

[dfdg]

i have a few thoughts on MOC that ive been holding onto..now is probably a good time to share them i guess

MOC pros
-best WL ive ever seen was at MOC - PORYA
-They have had a few other VERY GOOD girls - SK (personal top 10), Dior (very Good)
-ive never had any hygiene issues with the rooms

MOC cons
-some VERY BAD girls (in my opinion)
-Tedy - good bbbj, but terrible looks and couldnt provide sex because she said she was sore (fair enough, but should have given me a discount. i didnt ask for one btw because i was like meh). Max Impact bro im very suprised that you described her as cute - we must have VERY different standards..no offence seriously
-i think sometimes the MOC descriptions are very deceptive - there is one girl that has some very big and visible scars. Now when girls can only be booked for 2 or 3hrs information this SIGNIFICANT should be told upfront to the customer. I dont want to name the girl because i actually liked her, but i found this very deceptive of MOC management, and i wouldnt have booked her for if i knew this. Yes buyer beware, but i don't think its reasonable for me to have to ask "does the girl have any massive scars, goiters etc etc" before booking each time


TLDR - MOC is very inconsistent and lately there have been more misses than hits. When you're paying premium prices the bad punts really hurt. MY PERSONAL ADVICE - DONT SEE A MOC GIRL UNLESS SHE HAS AT LEAST 2 OR 3 GOOD REVIEWS FROM REVIEWERS WHO SEEM TO HAVE THE SIMILAR STANDARDS AS YOURSELF.

[birch]

I too have had two less than valued experiences with this shop in the last three weeks. I wasn't going to post my experiences as I assumed ( wrongly) that mine were isolated cases. First up was linfi and at least she was into the sex and responded well to all my fairly routine requests. But in the end it was just a routine root for twice the price?! The second experience was last Thursday evening with a girl I won't mention as I ended up feeling rather sorry for her. She's dealing with some fairly serious family shit back home in Taipai and basically that's all I heard about for an hour. Time was up before I was even allowed to lay a hand on her!

Now, given the chorus of concerns being voiced I'll be a bit more cautious with my spending in this segment of the industry - it seems as though there's some changes afoot and I suspect some consolidation on the horizon.
Now if only I could get Sharena to not stand me up next time I make a booking, I'll at least feel as though I've managed to move on. Though give the prompt response I've just received Next week I feel will be Natalie's turn.

[Max Impact]

Maybe I have very low standards compared to you dfdg.

I think Tedy is super cute. The second time I saw her she was sore but she still took it well.

[dfdg]

Maybe I have very low standards compared to you dfdg.

I think Tedy is super cute. The second time I saw her she was sore but she still took it well.

No worries bro. Everyone is different. Beauty is in the eye of the beholder etcetera.

[Business Class]

Maximpact, i think you've been around a while now so i do think your reviews and contributions are credible.
However recently there has been new light shed on how a lot of the reviews in this forum are either cash or cunt for comment.
When you take this issue as well as the fact that shops and agencies describe their girls as if they were Victorias Secret angels, you can't help becoming sick of the BS and getting ripped off due to information that may not be false but so exaggerated that it may as well be.

This thread is getting very interesting.

I'm a newbie here so I never imagined that any report would be written with the help of some incentive, cash or otherwise. I just assumed that all the reports, especially the long, well written, detailed reports, with titles that would have taken some time to come up with, were written by punters that are clearly passionate and just wanted to spend time writing an honest and accurate report.

Learn something new every day. Thanks.

[Max Impact]

We all love negativity and cynicism. That's why this thread has as many hits as my review of Audrey from days ago.

[Business Class]

We all love negativity and cynicism. That's why this thread has as many hits as my review of Audrey from days ago.

Either that, or it's getting so many hit because most of us prefer not to be taken for a fool and so the truth is always going to be popular.

[Sextus]

cunt for comment.

This pithy phrase has been slaying me since it was coined a few days ago by Sifu. It is the best line of the new financial year! :shout:

[TROLL]

I am following as I want to know good and bad. No one wants a bad punt, but even good punt reviews I read it and think about it, compare it to other reviews of the same girl.

I think it keeps the balance. But I have only been reading for 2 years and writing on the forum for 2 weeks lol

[solopuntsydney]

i have a few thoughts on MOC that ive been holding onto..now is probably a good time to share them i guess


-Tedy - good bbbj, but terrible looks and couldnt provide sex because she said she was sore (fair enough, but should have given me a discount. i didnt ask for one btw because i was like meh). Max Impact bro im very suprised that you described her as cute - we must have VERY different standards..no offence seriously
.

God "terrible" looks.... I haven't seen her and wonder how bad it is for it to be described as "terrible"...

lol but I don't want to find out...

[bbbccc123]

God "terrible" looks.... I haven't seen her and wonder how bad it is for it to be described as "terrible"...

lol but I don't want to find out...

Better stay away from tedy if true. Premium price for "terrible look" disaster.

[AHLUNGOR]

Better stay away from tedy if true. Premium price for "terrible look" disaster.

I don't know about this terrible look descriptions, I never been with this agency and never seen the girl of course. But I believe for the agency to put this WL in their roster and charging $350/hr, the WL should be reasonably good looking! Won't you think ??

[bob5]

So one of the bad experiences reported here is because the WL dont provide DFK when the services advertised so by the agent ?

IMHO:

- We should understand and view this experience from the WL as well.

- WLs can not or should not provide DFK ,BBBJ to every punters even the services are advertised so!!!
Because some of the punters got bad breath and/or his hygiene/condition is not as good as expected by the lady. For example: as you might known it already , one of the punters in this forum said he wants find where the Caucasian WLs dont do the routine health checks because he got something like STDs in his genital so he ends up did a CIM on one of the poor asian WLs in one of the Asian shops here!
- So the question here is that doesn't she has the right to refuse BBBJ/DFK service to this guy even when the services advertised so ? and do you punters still want to DFK that WL after she got CIM from that guy ? or should we support asian WLs to have the rights to refuse to provide any services when she finds the punter's condition looks suspicious or she does not feel it is safe enough for her to provide the service ?

- All the Asian Shops and agents in this forum should and please advertise those DFK and BBBJ etc services with " at the lady's discretion " so all the punters are not misleading and understand that the ladies always have the rights to provide or refuse the services as all other Caucasian WLs.

- Should asian WLs have the same rights to health check the punters before she provides any natural services ?

[wilisno]

So one of the bad experiences reported here is because the WL dont provide DFK when the services advertised so by the agent ?

IMHO:

- We should understand and view this experience from the WL as well.

- WLs can not or should not provide DFK ,BBBJ to every punters even the services are advertised so!!!
Because some of the punters got bad breath and/or his hygiene/condition is not as good as expected by the lady. For example: as you might known it already , one of the punters in this forum said he wants find where the Caucasian WLs dont do the routine health checks because he got something like STDs in his genital so he ends up did a CIM on one of the poor asian WLs in one of the Asian shops here!
- So the question here is that doesn't she has the right to refuse BBBJ/DFK service to this guy even when the services advertised so ? and do you punters still want to DFK that WL after she got CIM from that guy ? or should we support asian WLs to have the rights to refuse to provide any services when she finds the punter's condition looks suspicious or she does not feel it is safe enough for her to provide the service ?

- All the Asian Shops and agents in this forum should and please advertise those DFK and BBBJ etc services with " at the lady's discretion " so all the punters are not misleading and understand that the ladies always have the rights to provide or refuse the services as all other Caucasian WLs.

- Should asian WLs have the same rights to health check the punters before she provides any natural services ?
She did DFK with others ...

Some guys here reckon $300+ should buy them everything though ! ;) ;) ;)

[4some]

It's not about expecting everything. It's about expecting that you get what you paid for.

What upsets the customers is if the shop severely exaggerates the girl's looks, her services and the customer is short changed in time.

I have no problem if the girl has an issue with the guy because of hygiene and also health concerns. And I am sure the other users of this forum would agree. It is definitely within the girl's right to refuse.

I know in my case with Audrey that my breath did not smell and I do not have any stds (visible or otherwise). And to boot I was short changed time. At all times I was courteous and calm.

And I have a sneaking suspicion that other users who have posted about their negatives experiences in this thread were also hard done by, but have been discouraged to speak out previously for fear of being criticised, attacked or having their integrity questioned.

[CunningLinguist]

I support a WL's right to refuse DFK if I have bad breath or look diseased, but I always prepare for a $300+ punt by avoiding smelly foods and flossing and cleaning my teeth with toothpaste beforehand and using mouthwash if provided, and no I don't look diseased, yet I have missed out on DFK by some MOC girls of late ...

[wilisno]

It's not about expecting everything. It's about expecting that you get what you paid for.

What upsets the customers is if the shop severely exaggerates the girl's looks, her services and the customer is short changed in time.

I have no problem if the girl has an issue with the guy because of hygiene and also health concerns. And I am sure the other users of this forum would agree. It is definitely within the girl's right to refuse.

I know in my case with Audrey that my breath did not smell and I do not have any stds (visible or otherwise). And to boot I was short changed time. At all times I was courteous and calm.

And I have a sneaking suspicion that other users who have posted about their negatives experiences in this thread were also hard done by, but have been discouraged to speak out previously for fear of being criticised, attacked or having their integrity questioned.
The exaggeration claim of the girl's look is very arguable, just ask Max Impact who has seen the same girl ! :miao:

I haven't seen any MOC girls for almost a year now, so I can't comment on the quality of late. But if it's a short change of time, there's ground for a complaint !

And why Audrey would DFK one and not the other, I can't comment either, but at least it shows that she does provide the service as advertised !

And the comment about some people being discouraged to speak out for fear of being criticised, it's quite the opposite. People are more interested in voicing negative comments in the history of any public forums, while the satisfied ones tend to remain silent if they haven't posted any compliment in the first place, for fear of being criticised or attacked of being working for the shop !

[Business Class]

I think this thread is very topical at the moment as recently a few shops here have been found out to advertise girls with fake pics. Punters are not stupid and don't like to be taken for fools.

False advertising is not right, whether it's with fake pics or descriptions of the girls. If a girl is not prepared to offer an advertised service then she should let the punter know before the session begins so that the punter can either walk away or pay his money knowing he will not receive a certain service. No one here is saying that girls should be forced to offer every service to every punter, everyone has a right, punter and the WL.

Punters who pay FULL price for a session with a MOC WL should expect to receive the services advertised unless they are told not expect them BEFORE their money is taken. In my opinion the punter has a right to feel ripped off and unhappy.

Before reading this thread I was unaware that certain writers here are incentivised to write reports, but I am starting to see how not everything is as it appears. Some glowing reports are so well written and obviously taken some time to write that it makes you wonder why someone would spend so much of their valuable time writing it if there was nothing in it for them.

Before the GFC, rating agencies like S&P were paid to assign their AAA rating to financial products that were nothing but junk. We all know how that ended up. It's a very good example of what might be happening when a writer is given an incentive to make comments about a session.

[Business Class]

You're kidding right? The reason why this thread focussing on the negatives of the $350 agencies has received so much attention is because the vast majority of posts are positive or absurdly a sales pitch dressed as a review.

Im actually surprised this thread hasnt been deleted yet or closed! Past negative posts are regularly deleted so that those who do complain are the ones howled down.

Throughout the 10+ years Ive been on this forum its always been this way.

I am really glad that a member that has been around for as long as you have is voicing their thoughts on the topic. If a baby member such as myself speaks out it is very easy for senior members to discredit them and label them trolls.

[bbbccc123]

So one of the bad experiences reported here is because the WL dont provide DFK when the services advertised so by the agent ?

IMHO:

- We should understand and view this experience from the WL as well.

- WLs can not or should not provide DFK ,BBBJ to every punters even the services are advertised so!!!
Because some of the punters got bad breath and/or his hygiene/condition is not as good as expected by the lady. For example: as you might known it already , one of the punters in this forum said he wants find where the Caucasian WLs dont do the routine health checks because he got something like STDs in his genital so he ends up did a CIM on one of the poor asian WLs in one of the Asian shops here!
- So the question here is that doesn't she has the right to refuse BBBJ/DFK service to this guy even when the services advertised so ? and do you punters still want to DFK that WL after she got CIM from that guy ? or should we support asian WLs to have the rights to refuse to provide any services when she finds the punter's condition looks suspicious or she does not feel it is safe enough for her to provide the service ?

- All the Asian Shops and agents in this forum should and please advertise those DFK and BBBJ etc services with " at the lady's discretion " so all the punters are not misleading and understand that the ladies always have the rights to provide or refuse the services as all other Caucasian WLs.

- Should asian WLs have the same rights to health check the punters before she provides any natural services ?


Spot on. Dfffk and bbbj and worse of all CIM shall only be optional at the girls discretion. Make it compulsory for girls perform those is just illegal.

[wilisno]

You're kidding right? The reason why this thread focussing on the negatives of the $350 agencies has received so much attention is because the vast majority of posts are positive or absurdly a sales pitch dressed as a review.

Im actually surprised this thread hasnt been deleted yet or closed! Past negative posts are regularly deleted so that those who do complain are the ones howled down.

Throughout the 10+ years Ive been on this forum its always been this way.

If you've been here so long and you haven't been sleeping, you should know what I said was right, any negative comment will escalate to a full on riot !

And people need to read the forum rule no.8, avoid criticising the writer !

[ukoyrnez]

Lol so many conspiracies. This is turning to be an amusing thread.

It all seems to boil down to failure at managing expectations properly. MOC is indeed charging more than a brothel would. But shops that are far cheaper have better hygiene. It's like flying business class only to find you are on a bizarro plane where economy has somehow become business instead. This could be a byproduct of squalid living conditions for the girls too because they actually live on-site. Perhaps infighting is also killing their moods.

And quite frankly the label of 'brand' and 'movie-star' face is quite a joke nowadays. Anyone who is not on par with Porya is not a movie star face, lol. Good looking, yes. But the funny thing is, the girl in question is not even on par with non-brand girls. And then stating a girl has model like silky smooth skin who ends up having a lot of scars? That's really too much. Standards have really lowered. But I see a lot of quality girls roaming the streets of Chinatown. Surely you can get ahold of some of those?

Either that, or someone in the office has a very subjective view of beauty that is not universal when interviewing their girls. Sounds harsh. But this is a service they are providing - you need to get the right staff to thrive.

That all being said, will I still try the other girls? Maybe. I've been pleasantly surprised before, more times than not. And it is a punt in the end.

[wilisno]

And then stating a girl has model like silky smooth skin who ends up having a lot of scars? That's really too much. Standards have really lowered. But I see a lot of quality girls roaming the streets of Chinatown. Surely you can get ahold of some of those?


That all being said, will I still try the other girls? Maybe. I've been pleasantly surprised before, more times than not. And it is a punt in the end.

Haha ! That's really interesting ! :miao:

[Max Impact]

Before reading this thread I was unaware that certain writers here are incentivised to write reports, but I am starting to see how not everything is as it appears. Some glowing reports are so well written and obviously taken some time to write that it makes you wonder why someone would spend so much of their valuable time writing it if there was nothing in it for them.

BC, that I can remember no one has ever accused MOC of organising reviews. How did you come to this position?

Yeh, often I write a review and it takes as long as the actual session. I enjoy grabbing a glass of wine and honing my literary skills and reminiscing the great time that I had. To suggest that a well written review must therefore be a false one is ludicrous. As I've said before, most of us review many different agencies and shops. If you wish to start a conspiracy theory maybe start on those that only review one shop. But even then I believe the vast majority are real.

In any case, criticise the reviewers (breaking forum rules) and what will you be left with if they stop due to a lack of appreciation?

[Business Class]

BC, that I can remember no one has ever accused MOC of organising reviews. How did you come to this position?

Yeh, often I write a review and it takes as long as the actual session. I enjoy grabbing a glass of wine and honing my literary skills and reminiscing the great time that I had. To suggest that a well written review must therefore be a false one is ludicrous. As I've said before, most of us review many different agencies and shops. If you wish to start a conspiracy theory maybe start on those that only review one shop. But even then I believe the vast majority are real.

In any case, criticise the reviewers (breaking forum rules) and what will you be left with if they stop due to a lack of appreciation?

Max I never once mentioned your name in my comments nor criticized you but you seem to keep defending yourself. I noticed you took offence to CL's comments earlier in this thread too, and he didn't even have a go at you.

Ease up mate, and relax. By all means continue to write your reports and spend as much time as you like doing it. Hell, you can even make it your day job writing after reports, I'm not going to have a go at you.

[Max Impact]

Do you have a conspiracy about me defending myself?

When you mentioned well written reviews I knew that you could only be talking about me.

[Business Class]

If you've been here so long and you haven't been sleeping, you should know what I said was right, any negative comment will escalate to a full on riot !

And people need to read the forum rule no.8, avoid criticising the writer !

Does rule no 8 also apply when a member writes a negative report and he gets criticized for being too negative? There are examples of that on here but those members that criticized are seemingly still around.

[wilisno]

Does rule no 8 also apply when a member writes a negative report and he gets criticized for being too negative? There are examples of that on here but those members that criticized are seemingly still around.
Did anybody say he's not telling the truth, that he's working for the shop's competitions, or things like that ? If that happened, then it's violating the rules !

[Business Class]

When you mentioned well written reviews I knew that you could only be talking about me.

Sorry mate, I'd hate to tell you but you are not the only one on this forum that writes well written reports.

So again, I can't understand why you have felt like you needed to defend yourself on two occasions when the comments were not about you, either explicitly or implicitly.

No conspiracy theories, just asking questions that a reasonable person would....very simple.

Cheers

[Max Impact]

BC, I see that you don't get my sense of humour. But don't worry, that happens often here.

And I wasn't defending myself, just describing why I write.
I hope that it gave you and others some insight.

[Max Impact]

But seriously if those that have never written a review throw stones at those that write reviews where will we end up?

[DeepImpact]

Do you have a conspiracy about me defending myself?

When you mentioned well written reviews I knew that you could only be talking about me.

Yes good point, he must have been talking about you and your 'well written' reports.

Oh how I remember our dad 'Ultimate Impact' being quick to praise you for everything. Finished last at the swimming carnival 'you did well Max, the lifeguard let you swim a full 10 mtrs this time before rescuing you' I still remember him saying as we all laughed in the background. Spelt your name wrong on your English test - 'good job Max, you did well to arrive on time' I still recall him saying. And when you used to bring artwork home - 'well done Max, you are so creative' he used to say before whispering to us 'what is that he's painted this time?'

Good to see that you still know you are doing 'well'.

The point is that anyone that writes reviews puts themselves out there to be criticised and as you write more reviews than most you are going to be a potential target. I know we have seen a few common girls and our opinions aren't that much different on those girls at least even if the count of times the girls cum is - it must be something like 1 with me and 154 with you but it's still better than last year when I didn't get on the scoreboard. I eagerly await your review of the girl I recommended highly to you when/if she returns from holidays.

[Max Impact]

Finally, a breath of fresh air from my brother!

And I remember that I promised to let you see her first before I salivate all over her lithe body.

[Kirito]

Sorry to hear about your bad punt brother 4some.

As a new punter i really appreciate the bad reviews to save money but most importantly a bad experience! Hopefully the punting gods smile on your future punts!

[Sergaent Brody]

I would like to weigh into this thread by say three simple things:

1. Yes MOC girls have been inconsistent lately and this is from someone who has tried everyone of their girls currently on their website except the few Thai girls (nothing against Thai girls, just not my cup of tea lately);
2. However and unfortunately for us, if you want young Chinese students who are new and fresh in the market, MOC and MGD are the only two agencies at the moment. I have tried a couple of newcomers and they were not up to it. It was unfortunate that 18Modello didn't go anywhere in the event;
3. The market is there to be had if any astute business operator is out there. Competition will dictate the quality of their products.

[CunningLinguist]

I would like to weigh into this thread by say three simple things:

1. Yes MOC girls have been inconsistent lately and this is from someone who has tried everyone of their girls currently on their website except the few Thai girls (nothing against Thai girls, just not my cup of tea lately);
2. However and unfortunately for us, if you want young Chinese students who are new and fresh in the market, MOC and MGD are the only two agencies at the moment. I have tried a couple of newcomers and they were not up to it. It was unfortunate that 18Modello didn't go anywhere in the event;
3. The market is there to be had if any astute business operator is out there. Competition will dictate the quality of their products.

MOC used to be good, what went wrong ..

[GoldfishMan]

I would also like to throw in my 2c.
I personally take the information provided in this forum with a big grain of salt most times. It is true, a lot of the "reviews" on here are blatantly written for an ulterior motive and it is so easy to spot them. These are the ones that have post titles that are meant to attract your attention, and contain details that look OK at first read, but are really ludicrous of you think about it. Stuff like "I pumped her in doggy for 10 minutes, then mish for 9 minutes..." Or a full transcript of the convo with the girl are just bs.
However, even those types of posts are useful in some ways, you just have to know how to use them. Usually the descriptions of the girls are spot on, except for description of facial beauty. For that you just have to get accustomed to the taste of the reviewer. After a few punts, you'll know that a particular reviewer's taste is not the same as yours. So you use that to your advantage in the future.
The other thing is about negative posts. I personally value them more than the positive ones because there is a greater chance that they are truthful. That's not saying they are always right, just that you get the feeling that there is less of a motivation on the receiver to write that review apart from wanting to expose the truth.

[4some]

You're kidding right? The reason why this thread focussing on the negatives of the $350 agencies has received so much attention is because the vast majority of posts are positive or absurdly a sales pitch dressed as a review.

Im actually surprised this thread hasnt been deleted yet or closed! Past negative posts are regularly deleted so that those who do complain are the ones howled down.

Throughout the 10+ years Ive been on this forum its always been this way.

You are absolutely right. and thanks for backing me up. I've been a part time contributor and long time lurker on this forum, but decided that I was going to take a stand on this occasion after being ripped off.

And whilst the overwhelming majority of the posts have been supportive of my stand, there are some replies whilst not attacking me directly, there are one or 2 posts that are subtle in their attacks on my review.

Audrey may well have given good service to other guys, but I know what happened with me, she was was the STARFISH EXPRESS. Afterwards, I felt so disappointed that I may as well have donated $350 to her. I can't comment on the other review that she received from Max - that was his experience and I am not going to question it. Similarly, I am sure Max is not going to question what happened with my booking with Audrey, which unfortunately turned out to be at the other end of the spectrum compared to his (ie sh_thouse).

However, with the support I have received on this forum following my post, it shows that it was not an isolated incident with MOC, and in actual fact if you count the number of responses in this thread about unhappy experiences with MOC, I would say that they would be equal to, if not more than the positive reviews we see posted in the other current MOC threads.

I'd love to see what would happen if I set up separate threads for each of these negative reviews (after all MOC has links for good reviews), but I'm not game to do that for fear of offending somebody.

[dfdg]

Hey bro checkout tedys Page on the moc website. It looks like moc mgmt dropped tedy to $ 320 from 350. Again beauty is subjective but I feel somewhat vindicated lol

Note to moc. A goddess like porya used to be charged out at 350not that long ago. Can you honestly say any of the current line up are even close lol

[tarl1975]

I would say don't bother with the complaint hotline because there is no response. The best way to communicate with MOC on negative feedback is to post it here for all brothers to see. Although I didn't get any compensation or refund from my negative experience (and that's even after MOC Management sent me a PM to say that they will do something special for me after I made all those noises), it did help to raise their standard of their amenities. I have visited them twice since my complaint and the places were clean. MOC James is very good. MOC just need to make sure the girls deliver!! I didn't post reviews because they were just average experiences, not overly negative, but not so good that I wanted to rave about, with the girls.... nothing to write about....

[banshee987]

I was also almost convinced by the flood of good reviews. I don't think lowering the price $30 is the issue. If punting wasn't a bit underground, any businesses with false or misleading advertising would be in trouble with the consumer authorities. For me, it's not so much about the goods or the price don't match the description, its the time and effort involved. If I punted every day or every other day, I am sure I could put the odd bad experience down to bad luck.
Unfortunately, time and money are important to me. I would say $300-$350 is in the upper middle range. For this amount I like to think I am getting, 1.The time I paid for. 2. The services advertised (or close to). 3. The quality of lady advertised. Sure, every so often the clouds don't align and things do not work out well, however when none of these items match up something is wrong. The fact 4some took the trouble to go back to management and it appears to have eloquently expressed his concerns with what appears to be almost no recompense is concerning. A business that depends on service needs to handle customer complaints well.
On another tack I am concerned about the slanging match between the Impact brothers. I thought they were best of friends until this. I hope all will be sorted at the next family BBQ and Max's excellent reviews will keep on. He did entice me to see Tina at bargain escorts and I am eternally grateful, even though I think he has a permanent booking and I haven't been able to get a third appointment

[Vaders Fist]

I think that there is obviously something very important missing from this thread; no response from the shop. I know that no shop is obliged to respond to comments on this forum however, with the multiple negative comments now entering it's third page, I would think it would be good business for the shop to respond with their view or what action, if any, they have taken. I have seen other shops respond on this forum to negative reviews and they have been very quick to get on and rectify the situation publicly. It makes for good business, I'll I get the impression of at the moment is that MOC really doesn't care whether they have provided a value for money service or not.

[Max Impact]

Hey Deep and Max are not fighting! Where did you get that impression? I enjoy our conversations.

I must be lucky at MOC. I've visited a spate of girls there in the last few weeks. I mentioned that one was poor- I didnt post about her but did complain and she is gone. I also got a credit/refund.

Maybe it's that I've been the first guy to see most of these girls or they've been seasoned good performers (such as SK).

The rooms are nowhere near as Bluemoon's top quality.

I suggest that all you guys that say you had a poor experience post your reviews in future if that's your opinion. I rarely get a poor experience and it's usually because the girl is sore from overworking.

[JC1]

I think that there is obviously something very important missing from this thread; no response from the shop. I know that no shop is obliged to respond to comments on this forum however, with the multiple negative comments now entering it's third page, I would think it would be good business for the shop to respond with their view or what action, if any, they have taken. I have seen other shops respond on this forum to negative reviews and they have been very quick to get on and rectify the situation publicly. It makes for good business, I'll I get the impression of at the moment is that MOC really doesn't care whether they have provided a value for money service or not.
When your business not doing so well and you gave up trying to fix it, maybe you would not bother about customer complaint. I was a regular before but have not seen any of their girls for years now since the last disappointment. I think the market is now more competive than ever, but they have gone backward - more expensive and less quality.

[Max Impact]

Finally, a breath of fresh air from my brother!


Banshee, thankyou for your concern about Deep Impact and I. You are very caring.

But if you read the above comment in the context intended you will understand.

I mean that he brought a breath of fresh air to this thread, not that it was his first breath of fresh air.

[CunningLinguist]

I think that there is obviously something very important missing from this thread; no response from the shop. I know that no shop is obliged to respond to comments on this forum however, with the multiple negative comments now entering it's third page, I would think it would be good business for the shop to respond with their view or what action, if any, they have taken. I have seen other shops respond on this forum to negative reviews and they have been very quick to get on and rectify the situation publicly. It makes for good business, I'll I get the impression of at the moment is that MOC really doesn't care whether they have provided a value for money service or not.

In the good old days of MOC Duncan would post thanks for every good review, even for just ok reviews. If someone had a problem he would offer them a refund on the forum in public and he would say how important customer service was to him. Back then the girls were good! I remember one time he offered someone not only a full refund but I think a double refund. The guy then booked a double at MOC and was very happy.

Then Duncan went away and the people left running it ran it down. That was when the first big bad MOC thread started, and alot of people started saying how bad things have become. Duncan came back and kicked some butt and got things going better, but it has been run down again for whatever reason. The girls are not so good now, I think SK (she is in my all time top 10) leaving marks the end of an era.

I have had a string of bad MOC punts lately but didn't bother posting ARs, I don't even bother looking at their roster anymore.
I too have experienced first hand how they treat you when you have a legitimate complaint - not happy :(

[Vaders Fist]

It is terrible when a once good shop's quality takes a dive and unfortunately once loyal punters end up being/feeling ripped off. Like any type of fee for service arrangement, I think it's best to do what any consumer should do, vote with your feet by walking away. In the end, it's our hard-earned cash.

[Max Impact]

http://forum.aus99.com/showthread.php?3687-MOC-I-am-deserting-you

It's a cycle.

[CunningLinguist]

http://forum.aus99.com/showthread.php?3687-MOC-I-am-deserting-you

It's a cycle.

That wasn't the thread I was thinking of, there is at least one more ...

[tarl1975]

This was how Bro Duncan used to respond...

http://forum.aus99.com/showthread.php?787-MOC-TO-ALL-who-ve-got-less-services-from-B-Maureen-MOC-MOC-is-on-the-way-now

[Vaders Fist]

This was how Bro Duncan used to respond...

http://forum.aus99.com/showthread.php?787-MOC-TO-ALL-who-ve-got-less-services-from-B-Maureen-MOC-MOC-is-on-the-way-now

Thanks Bro Tarl, that is the exact way to handle a complaint. Very professional. What a shame more don't follow Duncan's example.

[AHLUNGOR]

Thanks Bro Tarl, that is the exact way to handle a complaint. Very professional. What a shame more don't follow Duncan's example.

Duncan is probably overseas recruiting more talents at the moment !!

[rm85]

I appreciate any perspective to douse the glowing reviews, if only to keep things in perspective. Its to be expected that most post-coital remembrances will be positive but it makes it hard to distinguish signal from noise sometimes.
I only got to see two women at MOC, and they were both beautiful and sweet and enthusiastic, but with them both seemingly on hiatus or out of the business altogether, threads like this help me think a little more clearly before taking the plunge on anyone else there.

[rm85]

Although I will say my first thought when I saw this was that Audrey has "figure oriented" (as opposed to services oriented) flagged on her profile right up front, which would be a warning sign for me that she is maybe more picky with her chemistry (which is her right, obviously).

[4some]

Although I will say my first thought when I saw this was that Audrey has "figure oriented" (as opposed to services oriented) flagged on her profile right up front, which would be a warning sign for me that she is maybe more picky with her chemistry (which is her right, obviously).

Is it really her "right" to be picky especially if she has chosen this field to earn some decent money and if as advertised she offers " GFE guaranteed", DFK etc (of course can be denied if it becomes an occupational hazard).

Then is it the right of the customer to refuse payment as well?

What about the poor guy who replied to one of the posts about his disappointment with Molan- making a big trip into the city and having to pay $380? Doesn't he have any rights?

In any other industry, the business owner would in most circumstances offer to do something to appease the customer.

[wilisno]

Is it really her "right" to be picky especially if she has chosen this field to earn some decent money and if as advertised she offers " GFE guaranteed", DFK etc (of course can be denied if it becomes an occupational hazard).

Then is it the right of the customer to refuse payment as well?

What about the poor guy who replied to one of the posts about his disappointment with Molan- making a big trip into the city and having to pay $380? Doesn't he have any rights?

In any other industry, the business owner would in most circumstances offer to do something to appease the customer.
The right is to walk before the deed, not after !

Or not to return again.

[rm85]

"Any other industry" doesn't involve renting a human beings sex organs and emotional faculties for our gratification, so maybe tread lightly on what you're entitled to for $400. All I meant to point out was that it noted "figure oriented" which has always been a red flag to me personally. Likewise service oriented implies maybe the looks aren't so great, which a WL obviously has even less control over. All the descriptions say GFE guaranteed and thats the sort of thing I meant when I was talking about signal vs noise. Thats MOC's responsibility more than hers.
It sounds like you felt that guarantee was breached early on, so you should have raised it mid-session. You would have stood a better chance of recouping your money. Either way I agree your customer experience detailed here has been lousy.

[4some]

"Any other industry" doesn't involve renting a human beings sex organs and emotional faculties for our gratification, so maybe tread lightly on what you're entitled to for $400. All I meant to point out was that it noted "figure oriented" which has always been a red flag to me personally. Likewise service oriented implies maybe the looks aren't so great, which a WL obviously has even less control over. All the descriptions say GFE guaranteed and thats the sort of thing I meant when I was talking about signal vs noise. Thats MOC's responsibility more than hers.
It sounds like you felt that guarantee was breached early on, so you should have raised it mid-session. You would have stood a better chance of recouping your money. Either way I agree your customer experience detailed here has been lousy.

I take your point. But as they say, this is one of the world's oldest professions, and I have no doubt that MOCis turning over several hundred thousand dollars (tax free). So ultimately it's a business that has been set up to meet a need and generate income for the owner and the girl.

I don't think it's that practical raising it mid session. U just hope it improves as u go along. If I walk mid session and pay for what I think is reasonable, who knows what/ who is waiting for me downstairs to collect the rest of the cash...

[rm85]

Tax free? Hold up, this might be a dumb and/or dangerous question - is MOC not licensed?

I mean I guess that would explain why they're cagey with the address the first time you go.. huh..

[Business Class]

Tax free? Hold up, this might be a dumb and/or dangerous question - is MOC not licensed?

I mean I guess that would explain why they're cagey with the address the first time you go.. huh..

Haha are u serious bro or just cynical?

[wilisno]

Tax free? Hold up, this might be a dumb and/or dangerous question - is MOC not licensed?

I mean I guess that would explain why they're cagey with the address the first time you go.. huh..
MOC is a licensed business, that much I know !

[dfdg]

They may have a business licence but I doubt they have a brothel licence. I can't see the council approving a brothel to be run out of a rresidential apartment.

[rm85]

Okay. Then they would certainly pay taxes. Just clarifying that.

[4some]

Duncan is probably overseas recruiting more talents at the moment !!

unless James and jack were lying to me, they told me that Duncan had considered my complaint about Audrey. So he knew about it.

[yellow_fever]

Okay. Then they would certainly pay taxes. Just clarifying that.

Yeah I'm sure they declare every penny. Just as sure as I am that all the girls hold the relevant visas and have PAYG taxes withheld at the appropriate rates, so they can fill in their tax returns at EOFY and claim industry specific deductions as appropriate under the position of "prostitute" which they fill out appropriately. No doubt they are paying appropriate amounts of public liability and workers comp too, I'm sure the girls all receive contributions to their superannuation also.

Or maybe they just receive cash money in return for swallowing your cum just like every other girl in the industry ;-)

[RoyalFlush]

Being in an agency business myself, I know how hard it is to appease customers on one-end and try to deliver good products on the other end from the supplier. Especially when you have no control over the quality of the goods, in this case how the girls perform. But a big chunk of the review I read from OP is due to the middleman being complacent with the room hygiene, confusion with the venue and poor customer service.
IMHO, if a customer's complain is being handled well, it will make a hell lot of difference. Some customers may understand this is a quality issue from the supplier, may be an isolated, once-off case and will give the agency another go knowing the middleman got their back in times of trouble.

Internet based, outcall businesses like MOC and Bluemoon rely heavily on online advertisement and word-of-mouth to get their name out there. I dont even think MOC invests much in SEO and Adwords. Im pretty sure forums like syd99 is an important avenue for these agencies to get customers. When revenue drops drastic enough, they will be compelled to address this issue.

I have nothing against MOC, in fact when you ran the naming competition 2 year ago you offered me a free punt which I didnt take. But everyone is throwing in their 2 cents, and I needed my daily rant, so I might as well throw in my 1 cent

[rm85]

Or maybe they just receive cash money in return for swallowing your cum just like every other girl in the industry ;-)

Uh huh.. See, the thing about operating in a state where sex work is legal and regulated is that if you are breaking the rules you're one of a lot fewer targets. But sure, let's just assume they are basically human traffickers dodging taxes. In that case I suppose 4some has more permanent means to seek redress as a consumer, right? Or any unsatisfied customer, for that matter.

Just saying.

EDIT: That was a rhetorical suggestion, to be clear. My argument is if MOC wasn't at least *mostly* on the level, any one grumpy fella could burn the whole thing down. Therefore it probably is. It's almost a variation on the anthropic principle. :P

Whether the women pay taxes, I wouldn't know.. but any licensed escort agency that isn't declaring income would be a pretty ripe target.

[Max Impact]

Uhm, I thought Audrey had a great body and a very pleasant face. She gave me everything I wanted including DFK but excluding CIM and anal that I didn't ask for cos it wasn't advertised. That I could fuck a girl like that at a whim with $350 in my pocket makes me love Sydney.

What happened to her before 4some saw her is anyone's guess. But I still want to see her again for curiosity.

Oh and I'm looking at a pic of Tedy on Viber and I still say she is super cute.

Has anyone else seen Audrey?

[fggd]

Being in an agency business myself, I know how hard it is to appease customers on one-end and try to deliver good products on the other end from the supplier. Especially when you have no control over the quality of the goods, in this case how the girls perform. But a big chunk of the review I read from OP is due to the middleman being complacent with the room hygiene, confusion with the venue and poor customer service.
IMHO, if a customer's complain is being handled well, it will make a hell lot of difference. Some customers may understand this is a quality issue from the supplier, may be an isolated, once-off case and will give the agency another go knowing the middleman got their back in times of trouble.

Internet based, outcall businesses like MOC and Bluemoon rely heavily on online advertisement and word-of-mouth to get their name out there. I dont even think MOC invests much in SEO and Adwords. Im pretty sure forums like syd99 is an important avenue for these agencies to get customers. When revenue drops drastic enough, they will be compelled to address this issue.

I have nothing against MOC, in fact when you ran the naming competition 2 year ago you offered me a free punt which I didnt take. But everyone is throwing in their 2 cents, and I needed my daily rant, so I might as well throw in my 1 cent

I agree with this - the overall experience is important, sometimes it's easy to be turned off by room hygiene amenities and take out on the girl even though the girl may not be that bad. There are times the girl is so great that can make up for the "not so good" part, but there are times the girl is just average or make the whole experience worse...
I use to go to MOC a lot to see a couple of my favorite girls that I know I guarantee get a fantastic booking - not only sex but also mood lifting. However seems some quality moc girls either left or not on roster anymore so I haven't been back lately. I though still hope MOC address issues and be good again.

[CunningLinguist]

Uh huh.. See, the thing about operating in a state where sex work is legal and regulated is that if you are breaking the rules you're one of a lot fewer targets. But sure, let's just assume they are basically human traffickers dodging taxes. In that case I suppose 4some has more permanent means to seek redress as a consumer, right? Or any unsatisfied customer, for that matter.

Just saying.

EDIT: That was a rhetorical suggestion, to be clear. My argument is if MOC wasn't at least *mostly* on the level, any one grumpy fella could burn the whole thing down. Therefore it probably is. It's almost a variation on the anthropic principle. :P

Whether the women pay taxes, I wouldn't know.. but any licensed escort agency that isn't declaring income would be a pretty ripe target.

They have changed apartments a few times ...

[HotSha19]

I too have had two less than valued experiences with this shop in the last three weeks. I wasn't going to post my experiences as I assumed ( wrongly) that mine were isolated cases. First up was linfi and at least she was into the sex and responded well to all my fairly routine requests. But in the end it was just a routine root for twice the price?! The second experience was last Thursday evening with a girl I won't mention as I ended up feeling rather sorry for her. She's dealing with some fairly serious family shit back home in Taipai and basically that's all I heard about for an hour. Time was up before I was even allowed to lay a hand on her!

Now, given the chorus of concerns being voiced I'll be a bit more cautious with my spending in this segment of the industry - it seems as though there's some changes afoot and I suspect some consolidation on the horizon.
Now if only I could get Sharena to not stand me up next time I make a booking, I'll at least feel as though I've managed to move on. Though give the prompt response I've just received Next week I feel will be Natalie's turn.

babe im really really sorry i been having thecnical issue with my contact number,,,,

[birch]

No problem Sharena. I'll try again soon!

[4some]

It is terrible when a once good shop's quality takes a dive and unfortunately once loyal punters end up being/feeling ripped off. Like any type of fee for service arrangement, I think it's best to do what any consumer should do, vote with your feet by walking away. In the end, it's our hard-earned cash.

I agree with you 100%. Poor service and short changing on time is a big no no. Even being short changed 10 minutesfor a booking that costs $350/hour works out to be almost $60.

[rooter]

Audrey the Starfish Princess - sounds like a character from Guardians of the Galaxy ;)

[tarl1975]

MOC will probably not respond to this as it will just die down after a while unless bro 4some keep bringing it up... talking from past experience!

[4some]

MOC will probably not respond to this as it will just die down after a while unless bro 4some keep bringing it up... talking from past experience!


LOL - the expression, "like a dog at a bone" springs to mind...

[Zeth99]

i have a few thoughts on MOC that ive been holding onto..now is probably a good time to share them i guess

MOC pros
-best WL ive ever seen was at MOC - PORYA
-They have had a few other VERY GOOD girls - SK (personal top 10), Dior (very Good)
-ive never had any hygiene issues with the rooms

MOC cons
-some VERY BAD girls (in my opinion)
-Tedy - good bbbj, but terrible looks and couldnt provide sex because she said she was sore (fair enough, but should have given me a discount. i didnt ask for one btw because i was like meh). Max Impact bro im very suprised that you described her as cute - we must have VERY different standards..no offence seriously
-i think sometimes the MOC descriptions are very deceptive - there is one girl that has some very big and visible scars. Now when girls can only be booked for 2 or 3hrs information this SIGNIFICANT should be told upfront to the customer. I dont want to name the girl because i actually liked her, but i found this very deceptive of MOC management, and i wouldnt have booked her for if i knew this. Yes buyer beware, but i don't think its reasonable for me to have to ask "does the girl have any massive scars, goiters etc etc" before booking each time


TLDR - MOC is very inconsistent and lately there have been more misses than hits. When you're paying premium prices the bad punts really hurt. MY PERSONAL ADVICE - DONT SEE A MOC GIRL UNLESS SHE HAS AT LEAST 2 OR 3 GOOD REVIEWS FROM REVIEWERS WHO SEEM TO HAVE THE SIMILAR STANDARDS AS YOURSELF.

This tread has me worried now...i was looking forward to trying MOC for the first time as I really like the look/sound of Tedy.....but to now read she couldnt even provide sex??...whats the point of paying that price for nothing :(

[4some]

I don't think you need to worry. The answer is in this thread...

[IExperiment]

i have a few thoughts on MOC that ive been holding onto..now is probably a good time to share them i guess

MOC pros
-best WL ive ever seen was at MOC - PORYA
-They have had a few other VERY GOOD girls - SK (personal top 10), Dior (very Good)
-ive never had any hygiene issues with the rooms

MOC cons
-some VERY BAD girls (in my opinion)
-Tedy - good bbbj, but terrible looks and couldnt provide sex because she said she was sore (fair enough, but should have given me a discount. i didnt ask for one btw because i was like meh). Max Impact bro im very suprised that you described her as cute - we must have VERY different standards..no offence seriously
-i think sometimes the MOC descriptions are very deceptive - there is one girl that has some very big and visible scars. Now when girls can only be booked for 2 or 3hrs information this SIGNIFICANT should be told upfront to the customer. I dont want to name the girl because i actually liked her, but i found this very deceptive of MOC management, and i wouldnt have booked her for if i knew this. Yes buyer beware, but i don't think its reasonable for me to have to ask "does the girl have any massive scars, goiters etc etc" before booking each time


TLDR - MOC is very inconsistent and lately there have been more misses than hits. When you're paying premium prices the bad punts really hurt. MY PERSONAL ADVICE - DONT SEE A MOC GIRL UNLESS SHE HAS AT LEAST 2 OR 3 GOOD REVIEWS FROM REVIEWERS WHO SEEM TO HAVE THE SIMILAR STANDARDS AS YOURSELF.

Ah I remember Porya ...lol... I ussually dont get wild but one night at the Star Suite with her I did ...lol....
After our play in the shower and getting really clean we did a 69 mind you I dont eat many girls :) but this one why not
While in 69 I probe her ass with my finger she was still sucking and she realize and get scared and turn around ....lol....
hhmmm Porya that was memory and I guess she was a Legend and I am glad to have actually meet her in the past.
Thanks Max :)
I hope she is doing well and have a happy life.

[4some]

We all love negativity and cynicism. That's why this thread has as many hits as my review of Audrey from days ago.

Hi Max - I don't think in the case of this thread it's that people love negativity. I think it is because people can sympathise and relate to what has happened. and in the past people have been hesitant to speak out so openly...

[Max Impact]

Hi Max - I don't think in the case of this thread it's that people love negativity. I think it is because people can sympathise and relate to what has happened. and in the past people have been hesitant to speak out so openly...

I am stating from my past observations that a negative review will always rate it's socks off.

[CunningLinguist]

I am stating from my past observations that a negative review will always rate it's socks off.

Like this (http://forum.aus99.com/showthread.php?14956-Cathy-from-Hong-Kong-be-warned) did!

[lockhart]

We all have different taste/expectation and one's hate could be the others' beloved...

Own experience value most.

[Business Class]

One thing is clear, honest, realistic, unbiased, positive or negative reports are always going to be more popular and viewed more.

The notion that negative reports are always more popular is just a myth. A myth that has been created here by a certain few.

[Max Impact]

One thing is clear, honest, realistic, unbiased, positive or negative reports are always going to be more popular and viewed more.

The notion that negative reports are always more popular is just a myth. A myth that has been created here by a certain few.
BusinessClass, you are full of bullshit! Another troll with little to offer than negativity.

So are you saying that 5*, TMC, Bluemoon, MOC, Taren Point, 65 Carlton, Peakhurst, Rockdale and all of the shops and clubs that I visit in HCMC, Singapore,KL, Italy are all on the take?

If you knew me, you would know that I don't need any petty income or free pussy. You are so petty.

That you will be banned is inevitable. It's just a matter of time.

[Business Class]

BusinessClass, you are full of bullshit! Another troll with little to offer than negativity.

So are you saying that 5*, TMC, Bluemoon, MOC, Taren Point, 65 Carlton, Peakhurst, Rockdale and all of the shops and clubs that I visit in HCMC, Singapore,KL, Italy are all on the take?

If you knew me, you would know that I don't need any petty income or free pussy.

You're a sad and lonely being.

Again, I have to ask you to ease up and relax. If you want to misinterpret my comments and think they are directed at you then that is your problem. But if you continue to be aggressive I'm happy to take offense and complain to admin.

By the way, I'm very impressed by the number of places you visit around the world and how much cash you have. Why don't you just post a copy of your bank balance here for all to see, we would really be impressed then.

[dodgybastard]

One thing is clear, honest, realistic, unbiased, positive or negative reports are always going to be more popular and viewed more.

The notion that negative reports are always more popular is just a myth. A myth that has been created here by a certain few.

I agree with this!

[Max Impact]

Again, I have to ask you to ease up and relax. If you want to misinterpret my comments and think they are directed at you then that is your problem. But if you continue to be aggressive I'm happy to take offense and complain to admin.

By the way, I'm very impressed by the number of places you visit around the world and how much cash you have. Why don't you just post a copy of your bank balance here for all to see, we would really be impressed then.

Please don't complain to Admin, please!! Lol.

I'm just sick of your empty words. You constantly talk of false reports on a thread about Audrey where I'm the only one to write a positive report. And you expect me to not correct your baseless claims?

Instead of inferences why don't you start a new thread where you pinpoint those members that write false reports for agencies?

Imagine a forum with just members like you BC. A bunch of old men whingeing about the world and never writing a report.

[Max Impact]

Business Class banned again! When will the troll stop?

[AHLUNGOR]

Business Class banned again! When will the troll stop?


Never too hard to pick them out !

[4some]

Just curious - anyone else seen Audrey...

[Max Impact]

I am too seeing as you have vindicated my review accuracy in the past 4some.

[4some]

I couldn't see Audrey on the MOC roster anymore. Looks like she has disappeared from their list.

Or perhaps she has been a given a new pseudonym...

[Max Impact]

Why were you looking?

[the_boss_king]

really sorry to hear about your bad experience. but to be honest i had a good time with momo, she was quite willing to please.
I'm going ginza tonight to try the new thai girl miki, i will let you know how that goes.

[the_boss_king]

i tried MOC once, with t melon as my first time. for me it wasn't the best experience and it was definitely not worth the money.
according to one of my other punting mates, "the quality and standard of moc has dropped drastically since last year".

[SuperJackass]

I guess the shops do value customers more important who writes lots of reports. So next time may be you could let them know that you are 4some :slobber: