Dating a ML - share some stories!!

[z3335526]

Lads,

I want to get your knowledge on the pros and cons of dating a ML. Share some cool stories and if you enjoyed the experience.

What would your tips in knowing when to ask a ML out.

I had a short experience a while back with an older woman a while back. I guess my brief tips would be

1. Don't expect her to give up her job for you straightaway. MLs make a decent wage doing their job so if you're not going to marry her, then don't expect her to give up her job.

2. Try and show how you're different to other lads. I'm certain we would all want to tldate a particular ML at some point in time. Therefore, you need to showcase your strengths to the ML and why you're a better match

3. Don't expect a long relationship. I have no solid reasons for this but I assume that these relationships are difficult to maintain

Would love to hear your stories. Some of you have some fantastic insights and experiences

[aussiegaigin]

THis was discussed just recently. Use search to find the threads,

[z3335526]

LOL that thread was also started by me

I thought this would be slightly different but perhaps not in your view.

That one was more directed at an experience I had a week go. This one was more general and keen to see what steps people took

[garfield]

I check for several criteria:
1. First I would have established some good chemistry and happy to go out with her
2. I would have gotten indication already if she would be interested to meet up outside, first check if she is interested to text with you. Girls who just want you as a customer may text with you to get business but they won't be interested to text you just for friendship. Check her interest, what type of food, etc. Tell her how good the food was in certain restaurant, suggest she should try, etc.
3. Make the date sounds like a lot of fun so she can't resist, and that it would be worth her while.
4. Find out if she has a boyfriend or partner and what might be her boundary. Doesn't really matter but helps to know if girl would be interested or not, or whether the date needs to be more discreet for her, etc.
5. Don't seal the deal, like agree to have sex. It can be a turnoff, keeping t he mystery alive and excitement of unknown is much better. If she goes out with you, you can be pretty sure of the ending if you prepare well.
6. Once she agrees to go out, plan for the date, make it as romantic as possible.
7. A nice dinner to set the mood, followed by some romantic walk is good. Go to clubs or bars to have a few drinks. Make sure you have a program to make her stay late.
8. Ask her to come to your place whether it's your flat or hotel it's up to you to pre-arrange, but tell her you have a surprise for her. Usually I prepare some small gift, don't have to be expensive, but just an excuse to bring her to your place, second to set the mood for some intimate moments.
9. It's been a nice date, she feels good about you. Night is getting late, and what happens next is quite natural.

[garfield]

I check for several criteria:
1. First I would have established some good chemistry and happy to go out with her
2. I would have gotten indication already if she would be interested to meet up outside, first check if she is interested to text with you. Girls who just want you as a customer may text with you to get business but they won't be interested to text you just for friendship. Check her interest, what type of food, etc. Tell her how good the food was in certain restaurant, suggest she should try, etc.
3. Make the date sounds like a lot of fun so she can't resist, and that it would be worth her while.
4. Find out if she has a boyfriend or partner and what might be her boundary. Doesn't really matter but helps to know if girl would be interested or not, or whether the date needs to be more discreet for her, etc.
5. Don't seal the deal, like agree to have sex. It can be a turnoff, keeping t he mystery alive and excitement of unknown is much better. If she goes out with you, you can be pretty sure of the ending if you prepare well.
6. Once she agrees to go out, plan for the date, make it as romantic as possible.
7. A nice dinner to set the mood, followed by some romantic walk is good. Go to clubs or bars to have a few drinks. Make sure you have a program to make her stay late.
8. Ask her to come to your place whether it's your flat or hotel it's up to you to pre-arrange, but tell her you have a surprise for her. Usually I prepare some small gift, don't have to be expensive, but just an excuse to bring her to your place, second to set the mood for some intimate moments.
9. It's been a nice date, she feels good about you. Night is getting late, and what happens next is quite natural.

Any other stories?

[H3da]

I check for several criteria:
1. First I would have established some good chemistry and happy to go out with her
2. I would have gotten indication already if she would be interested to meet up outside, first check if she is interested to text with you. Girls who just want you as a customer may text with you to get business but they won't be interested to text you just for friendship. Check her interest, what type of food, etc. Tell her how good the food was in certain restaurant, suggest she should try, etc.
3. Make the date sounds like a lot of fun so she can't resist, and that it would be worth her while.
4. Find out if she has a boyfriend or partner and what might be her boundary. Doesn't really matter but helps to know if girl would be interested or not, or whether the date needs to be more discreet for her, etc.
5. Don't seal the deal, like agree to have sex. It can be a turnoff, keeping t he mystery alive and excitement of unknown is much better. If she goes out with you, you can be pretty sure of the ending if you prepare well.
6. Once she agrees to go out, plan for the date, make it as romantic as possible.
7. A nice dinner to set the mood, followed by some romantic walk is good. Go to clubs or bars to have a few drinks. Make sure you have a program to make her stay late.
8. Ask her to come to your place whether it's your flat or hotel it's up to you to pre-arrange, but tell her you have a surprise for her. Usually I prepare some small gift, don't have to be expensive, but just an excuse to bring her to your place, second to set the mood for some intimate moments.
9. It's been a nice date, she feels good about you. Night is getting late, and what happens next is quite natural.

Isn't this same tip as for any chick you are trying to chase

[AHLUNGOR]

Isn't this same tip as for any chick you are trying to chase

Spot on, all MLs/WLs at the end is just a lady looking for love, romance, friendship , company and a bit of fun.

If you treat her like a girl friend - the girl friend effects are what you should get in return . Everyone's experiences are different based on circumstance and age and look and race, and general background , relationship background etc etc.

May be just a word of advise, try Not to score on the first date, make it fun and worthwhile, there should be a next time for sure !

Unless it's a combination of free date followed by paid sex, then it's a different story. As I say , everyone is different !

Good luck to all. Hope you are all single ......haha

[AHLUNGOR]

I know what you're trying to say but it isn't always true that "all MLs/WLs" are looking for love, romance etc. Some are actually in relationships and just in it for the $$. (I suppose a meaner person than me would probably have written that as "sorry to burst your bubble..." but not me.)


You are correct mate, first and foremost, it's for the money, otherwise, you won't even have met her in the first place. That's just understood. But once she is in the industry and her financial pressure is eased, commitments met, she is still a lady looking for all those thing a regular lady on the street is looking for.

As everyone has said, your own experiences will vary. There won't be lack of women out there who wants nothing else but money, money, money as well. But sooner or later, she will be a woman on the street too.............lol,

Just my two cents

Cheers

:smile:

[wilisno]

You're quite right mate, no argument that this is *usually* the case. And of course they're in it for the money. What I'm saying is there are ML out there (this is from personal experience) who are in it *purely* for the money. They are already in relationships and simply not interested in any of those other things you mentioned.

By no means am I saying all ML are like that though. I guess your experiences have mainly been with unattached MLs which is why you feel they're all looking for fun, romance etc (in addition to the obvious financial aspect)...
Actually this is usually NOT the case ! Most ladies who enter the industry are for money only, MOST ! They are well aware of the illusion of love in brief encounters, so most are prepared not to engage emotionally with customers, friendly maybe, but not emotionally. They know one day the guy will use her employment history as an excuse to break up !

Love is a strange thing, one cannot avoid if it comes, but most girls are prepared not to fall in love until one or two years after they retired, especially not to fall in love with a customer, although I've seen a few exceptions.

[H3da]

I think most guys won't accept ML/WL as their wife. Maybe a fling or so... That's my opinion anyway as the trust factor and judging person based on occupation. Most think of the girls that work there as just a whore or one night stand. Most would just date a normal chick that has a non erotic job :)

[rooter]

I usually only get one or two SMSs from a WL and then they usually get the hint after I don't reply that I am not interested and stop.
But I remember a few WLs who kept on texting and texting and texting.
Did they want a boyfriend? a customer? a friend?
Who knows? Who cares?
Three simple rules
1. Pay
2. Fuck
3. Leave

1 2 3. A B C . Do Re Mi. Very simple. You will never go wrong.
When you are with a girl open up your heart, treat her like she is the most special and beautiful girl in the universe because for that brief moment in time and space in the history of the universe that she is with you, she is.
And then as soon as you walk out the door, forget she ever existed ...
She will fuck other guys and you will fuck other women ... Beautiful! Move on ...

[z3335526]

I think most guys won't accept ML/WL as their wife. Maybe a fling or so... That's my opinion anyway as the trust factor and judging person based on occupation. Most think of the girls that work there as just a whore or one night stand. Most would just date a normal chick that has a non erotic job :)

I disagree here but I see your point.

But you can't determine who you have a connection with. The irony about parlours is that you are already at second base with these girls after a session. That's why it would be somewhat strange when/if you ask them out on a date/for a drink. You are essentially trying to learn more about them and there personality but you already know how they are likely to be in bed haha

I have one in mind who I have an insane connection with and really enjoy spending time with. There are so many obstacles in the way which I realistically think will mean this won't work out e.g. different skin colour, i don't speak her mother tongue etc. But I established a connection with her by talking about subjects she enjoyed discussing and basically she's very caring.

One sign to look out for is how much the ML remembers about you in future sessions. It's a sure sign when she forgets your name/occupation/likes dislikes that she may just look at you as another customer. But if she remembers these things, not only does it feel great but it makes you think you stand a chance.

I have no experience in dating a ML but I would like to. I have asked her out on a drink when she comes back from time off. I could have asked her beforehand but I'm scoping out how realistic a chance i have. If she still wants to when she comes back, then I know I have a better shot.

In saying all of this, I will agree that dating a ML or asking one out is an interesting topic. I don't agree that you can say most men won't accept MLs as their girlfriends or wives. Everyone has a different story. All the MLs I have chatted to say that the reason they do this is because living in Sydney as a overseas student/worker is incredibly expensive and this is a way to make ends meet. it is touchy though. Purely from a selfish perspective, you would hope that your girl hasn't been with hundreds of men but even normal girls nowadays have lots of experience. It's a tough dilemma and I guess everyone will have a different opinion about it.

All I know is that if i want to be successful, I need to lift my own game. Connection is simply not enough. My outer appearance has to get better so I need to start increasing my cardio and gym workouts ASAP.

Appreciate all your thoughts on this subject. It's a topic that never gets old and everyone always has a unique viewpoint.

Garfield, your tips were OUTSTANDING



To some extent, visiting a massage parlour is a sign that we

[illidanstormrage]

I think it's an uphill battle trying to date ML's and WL's because for a start you are coming to them from a lower position.

A girl wants a guy that can attract other girls and not just pay for them. A guy that goes to massage parlours or brothels regularly is just looked down upon even subconsciously.

You don't have to tell them but in their mind they would think that this guy doesn't have a girlfriend or much going on in his social life no matter what your appearance is like or what you've told them.

Having her remember you or say she was thinking about you is a good sign but that's all it is and it won't get you far.

The key to attracting any girl is emotional impact, the more you can impact her emotions positively the better it is but it doesn't always have to be positive. Girls want to feel the full range of emotion from a potential lover or so I've been told...

You need to get them investing in you basically (aka flipping the script having her chasing you). I know it sounds strange but think about yourself what makes you care or invest in people? Has a stranger (could even be a girl) just walked up to you on the street and you've blown them off and kept walking?

For most guys just seeing a hot girl is enough to become invested. But for girls it's different, in the romantic sense nice guys finish last every time because in this context nice is synonymous with boring. You need to challenge them somehow.

I definitely wouldn't mind dating WL/ML but at the end of the day they are just girls nothing special. Only just they happen to work in the sex industry of which sex is the end game for nearly every guy that was thinking about an attractive woman ever.

Having said that as you've probaly already guessed it's most likely easier to get an ML to date you over a WL. So fine choice..

[z3335526]

I think it's an uphill battle trying to date ML's and WL's because for a start you are coming to them from a lower position.

A girl wants a guy that can attract other girls and not just pay for them. A guy that goes to massage parlours or brothels regularly is just looked down upon even subconsciously.

You don't have to tell them but in their mind they would think that this guy doesn't have a girlfriend or much going on in his social life no matter what your appearance is like or what you've told them.

Having her remember you or say she was thinking about you is a good sign but that's all it is and it won't get you far.

The key to attracting any girl is emotional impact, the more you can impact her emotions positively the better it is but it doesn't always have to be positive. Girls want to feel the full range of emotion from a potential lover or so I've been told...

You need to get them investing in you basically (aka flipping the script having her chasing you). I know it sounds strange but think about yourself what makes you care or invest in people? Has a stranger (could even be a girl) just walked up to you on the street and you've blown them off and kept walking?

For most guys just seeing a hot girl is enough to become invested. But for girls it's different, in the romantic sense nice guys finish last every time because in this context nice is synonymous with boring. You need to challenge them somehow.

I definitely wouldn't mind dating WL/ML but at the end of the day they are just girls nothing special. Only just they happen to work in the sex industry of which sex is the end game for nearly every guy that was thinking about an attractive woman ever.

Having said that as you've probaly already guessed it's most likely easier to get an ML to date you over a WL. So fine choice..


Yeah, this was something I wanted to say too but didn't have time. I think you make a really good point. My post refers only to MLs. To a certain extent, I would only date an ML if offered the opportunity.

The inherent flaw in this process is that we are going to a massage parlour primarily to relieve stress and/or reduce our sexual cravings (through a good massage, a pretty lady and a nice HJ). The fact that we go here suggests that we haven't been able to get this elsewhere so we are paying for this service.

The basic premise of visiting these shops therefore is to enjoy ourselves for a short time and then get out of there. However, as humans, we thrive on connection and chemistry as well and some of these MLs have it in abundance.

You're right that you need them emotionally invested. You have to have a way with words and there has to be some physical attraction as well. The irony to some extent is that I guess if we were all physically very attractive, we wouldn't need to pay for these services, we could probably meet girls who may do some of these services. But i digress..

At the end of the day, you can't control where you meet someone but it is a uphill battle in trying to make something work with an ML. I guess I am hoping its not uphill given my recent infatuations but I need to be realistic.

[cisco]

Just Let it Flow and Let it Be :)

[garfield]

I know what you're trying to say but it isn't always true that "all MLs/WLs" are looking for love, romance etc. Some are actually in relationships and just in it for the $$. (I suppose a meaner person than me would probably have written that as "sorry to burst your bubble..." but not me.)

All MLs are in it for $$. You have to spend $$ with them, it's just a difference of how much you spend and what response you want to get out of them.

[garfield]

I don't think you can generalise MLs here. They are from different background and have different values.

Some are in it just to finish their studies, some would like to have an easier lifestyle and buy more LV bags.

Some girls don't want to have any relationship with customer because they think they can't be trusted, others are happy to go out with clients and explore the possibilities.

I don't think it's right to say MLs are not marrying material because someday they will be someone's wife and mother.

For me I don't mind marrying a ML if she is the right one. I would like my wife to give me an amazing bbbj when I'm old and isn't it most people are punting because their wife have stop trying??

You don't need to have sex when dating ML if you just enjoy their company, but I wouldn't stop if she also wanted to have sex.

There's also some advantage of dating a ML, I don't want to be dating someone only to fund out later we are not compatible in sex.

I also think there's anything less decent in a ML because they hold more dicks compared with normal girls unless you are looking for a virgin.

Just my thoughts for now.

[asiafever]

Dated a couple. Neither ended well. Then again, of course it didn't end well otherwise it wouldn't have ended. Nothing bad, just two people at different stages of life with different expectations and needs. 1 korean. 1 chinese. Both found it harder to deal with my life as a single dad than i did their lives as ml's. One in particular stung as we got quite involved. Kind of reminds me of a song
"I could have missed the pain
But I'd have had to miss
The dance"

Would i again? Yeah. As long as you are honest from the get go about your intentions and situation who knows where it can lead. Some wild guilt free sex, a relationship, a friendship, a movie partner, who knows. We only get one life might as well live it.
My rule not just for dating but life in general, be yourself, don't try too hard to be something someone else might like. The korean ml asked me out because she said she could tell I was genuine, I remembered our previous conversations, asked genuine questions, she "just had a feeling". You never know what that gorgeous girl you're in the room with might find attractive, and no relationship can work when based on a false premise...

[CunningLinguist]

Dated a couple. Neither ended well. Then again, of course it didn't end well otherwise it wouldn't have ended. Nothing bad, just two people at different stages of life with different expectations and needs. 1 korean. 1 chinese. Both found it harder to deal with my life as a single dad than i did their lives as ml's. One in particular stung as we got quite involved. Kind of reminds me of a song
"I could have missed the pain
But I'd have had to miss
The dance"

Would i again? Yeah. As long as you are honest from the get go about your intentions and situation who knows where it can lead. Some wild guilt free sex, a relationship, a friendship, a movie partner, who knows. We only get one life might as well live it.
My rule not just for dating but life in general, be yourself, don't try too hard to be something someone else might like. The korean ml asked me out because she said she could tell I was genuine, I remembered our previous conversations, asked genuine questions, she "just had a feeling". You never know what that gorgeous girl you're in the room with might find attractive, and no relationship can work when based on a false premise...

Imagine a WL asking her what you like best about her, and you answering her beautiful blue eyes, then she bursts into tears, why ? ...

[asiafever]

Because she's wearing coloured contacts?

[CunningLinguist]

Because she's wearing coloured contacts?

Yep!
Same can be said for boobs, eye shape, nose, hair, figure. They can all be faked and enhanced.
There was a story of a Chinese man who sued his wife because the kids were ugly he found out she had extensive plastic surgery, but it has since been found to be a hoax ...

[asiafever]

Oh yeah. I forget the exact number, but supposedly something like 90+% of Korean females have had some form of plastic surgery before they turn 30. China is headed in the same direction. Add to that list imitation brand clothing and accessories, eyebrow tattoos, false eyelashes etc. And on guys these days the time and effort spent on a look astounds me.
Sometimes it's easy to tell. Sometimes not. It's easy to fall in t9 the illusion of dating those girls. As one wise man once told me "No matter how hot she is, somewhere there is a guy who is tired of putting up with her shit."
The korean ml wasn't terribly high maintenance, not by the standards of the other korean girls I've been with, chinese girl was a freakin nightmare. She was hot and demanded treatmemt commensurate with her looks.

[garfield]

I disagree here but I see your point.

But you can't determine who you have a connection with. The irony about parlours is that you are already at second base with these girls after a session. That's why it would be somewhat strange when/if you ask them out on a date/for a drink. You are essentially trying to learn more about them and there personality but you already know how they are likely to be in bed haha

I have one in mind who I have an insane connection with and really enjoy spending time with. There are so many obstacles in the way which I realistically think will mean this won't work out e.g. different skin colour, i don't speak her mother tongue etc. But I established a connection with her by talking about subjects she enjoyed discussing and basically she's very caring.

One sign to look out for is how much the ML remembers about you in future sessions. It's a sure sign when she forgets your name/occupation/likes dislikes that she may just look at you as another customer. But if she remembers these things, not only does it feel great but it makes you think you stand a chance.

I have no experience in dating a ML but I would like to. I have asked her out on a drink when she comes back from time off. I could have asked her beforehand but I'm scoping out how realistic a chance i have. If she still wants to when she comes back, then I know I have a better shot.

In saying all of this, I will agree that dating a ML or asking one out is an interesting topic. I don't agree that you can say most men won't accept MLs as their girlfriends or wives. Everyone has a different story. All the MLs I have chatted to say that the reason they do this is because living in Sydney as a overseas student/worker is incredibly expensive and this is a way to make ends meet. it is touchy though. Purely from a selfish perspective, you would hope that your girl hasn't been with hundreds of men but even normal girls nowadays have lots of experience. It's a tough dilemma and I guess everyone will have a different opinion about it.

All I know is that if i want to be successful, I need to lift my own game. Connection is simply not enough. My outer appearance has to get better so I need to start increasing my cardio and gym workouts ASAP.

Appreciate all your thoughts on this subject. It's a topic that never gets old and everyone always has a unique viewpoint.

Garfield, your tips were OUTSTANDING

To some extent, visiting a massage parlour is a sign that we

I've started doing T25 (workout DVD) instead of going to gym, just one week so far but hoping I will rip the result. Even if it doesn't, it should be better for my health anyway.

But women are different to men, they are looking mostly for husband material so looks and body isn't necessarily a big factor. I know many MLs are in relationship with older and less attractive men because of their maturity, financial stability, personality, etc.

[garfield]

Yeah, this was something I wanted to say too but didn't have time. I think you make a really good point. My post refers only to MLs. To a certain extent, I would only date an ML if offered the opportunity.

The inherent flaw in this process is that we are going to a massage parlour primarily to relieve stress and/or reduce our sexual cravings (through a good massage, a pretty lady and a nice HJ). The fact that we go here suggests that we haven't been able to get this elsewhere so we are paying for this service.

The basic premise of visiting these shops therefore is to enjoy ourselves for a short time and then get out of there. However, as humans, we thrive on connection and chemistry as well and some of these MLs have it in abundance.

You're right that you need them emotionally invested. You have to have a way with words and there has to be some physical attraction as well. The irony to some extent is that I guess if we were all physically very attractive, we wouldn't need to pay for these services, we could probably meet girls who may do some of these services. But i digress..

At the end of the day, you can't control where you meet someone but it is a uphill battle in trying to make something work with an ML. I guess I am hoping its not uphill given my recent infatuations but I need to be realistic.
Tell us a bit more with your recent infatuation.

[z3335526]

Sorry for the delay

The ML I am keen on is on break for a couple of weeks and I am filthy at myself for not getting personal contact details from her before her break. Let's hope firstly she returns from holiday instead of deciding to retire from the business

You never know with these things. What could be a huge crush from my end could be completely differently perceived at her end and I just be another average client. There are a few indicators which give me hope which I've mentioned in my previous post but the cynic in me imagines that this could be no different to how other customers experience the same ML.

When/if she returns, it is possible that any chemistry we built up vanishes which will be saddening but something I am prepared for.

[vvillie]

From my experience, they're damaged goods.

I saw one for over two years... She was ~10 years older than me and a single mother. I make a good living and was in love so I asked her to relocate here with her son, and told her I would marry her so she could stay here permanently. I was pretty sure she would accept my offer, but alas, one day all communications stopped and I haven't heard from her since.

I respect her alot though. Everything she did was for her son. Never once did she ask me for a loan or handout, and we took turns paying when we went out or away. I am still a bit bitter that she didn't have the nerve to tell me to my face that she didn't want to be with me, but I knew she had commitment issues from the start.

[Oneonone]

It was a while back now but I dated a wl for 10 years the first 3 she worked after that she stopped work and had a child with her husband.

She then got divorced and my relationship with her became stronger until one day she decided that her daughter was getting old enough to start asking questions on who I was and what was our relationship.

She decided that she could not handle this and so decided to leave Australia and go back to her home land.

Working ladies are working ladies and at the end of the day they will decide what they think is best for the it is all money nothing to do with love.

[z3335526]

Would you say there is a better chance of it working if it is a ML than a WL?

Im thinking about it now and I feel like there are so many reasons why this still fantasy relationship would not work out but even if I have a "one in a million" shot, I might as well try. I feel there is a good connection. Let's wait and see

All your experiences are great to read.

[dinside]

From my experience, they're damaged goods.

I saw one for over two years... She was ~10 years older than me and a single mother. I make a good living and was in love so I asked her to relocate here with her son, and told her I would marry her so she could stay here permanently. I was pretty sure she would accept my offer, but alas, one day all communications stopped and I haven't heard from her since.

I respect her alot though. Everything she did was for her son. Never once did she ask me for a loan or handout, and we took turns paying when we went out or away. I am still a bit bitter that she didn't have the nerve to tell me to my face that she didn't want to be with me, but I knew she had commitment issues from the start.
Hi bro, I had exactly same experience as you. Dating one single mum ML for nearly two years, and still seeing her for half year after she Stopped working as ML since early this year. She kept saying that she just do this job because her son. I had feeling that maybe we are seeing same ML. Anyway, during that time, I thought we are in love, then few month ago, suddenly she break up with me just by text message for no reason. I was really confused and didn't understand why she can break up with me just by text after we have been together such long time. The I find the reason. She was constantly meeting other guys.some is her costumer, some are guys she meet in club, some guys are introduced by her friend. There is no love in this kind of relationship with ML. Just about money or marriage visa or something else, maybe not 100%, but definitely more than 99%. ML meet hundreds men in a month, if ML want to find husband or boy friends from their customer, they have hundreds choice every month. If I seeing hundreds girls in one month, I definitely will find more than 10 girls that I wil have connection with. So ML changed their mind all the time in relationship, just because each day they may have better choice and meet another better man.
Bro vvllie, if you know your ML was seeing other guys when you are together, and have few more option for marriage at same time when you offer her, and just dump you by text message when she made her final decision. Of Course, she will say she did everything for a better future of her son. But do u still respect her a lot?

[garfield]

Hi bro, I had exactly same experience as you. Dating one single mum ML for nearly two years, and still seeing her for half year after she Stopped working as ML since early this year. She kept saying that she just do this job because her son. I had feeling that maybe we are seeing same ML. Anyway, during that time, I thought we are in love, then few month ago, suddenly she break up with me just by text message for no reason. I was really confused and didn't understand why she can break up with me just by text after we have been together such long time. The I find the reason. She was constantly meeting other guys.some is her costumer, some are guys she meet in club, some guys are introduced by her friend. There is no love in this kind of relationship with ML. Just about money or marriage visa or something else, maybe not 100%, but definitely more than 99%. ML meet hundreds men in a month, if ML want to find husband or boy friends from their customer, they have hundreds choice every month. If I seeing hundreds girls in one month, I definitely will find more than 10 girls that I wil have connection with. So ML changed their mind all the time in relationship, just because each day they may have better choice and meet another better man.
Bro vvllie, if you know your ML was seeing other guys when you are together, and have few more option for marriage at same time when you offer her, and just dump you by text message when she made her final decision. Of Course, she will say she did everything for a better future of her son. But do u still respect her a lot?
What you said is so true.
One of my ML have stop working now because her sugar daddy came back and don't want her to work anymore, gave her lots of expensive gifts and support her with monthly income, previously she was seeing another guy from Vietnam and also me.
They just want to get the best choice and whatever best offer they can find, there's no love.

[jediknight4ever]

I used to date a milf WL who has a teen daughter, you can read bout it in the older thread.

I'm now seeing another milf WL who also happens to have a teen daughter.

I love MILFs with teen daughters and nice racks :cool2:

[Christmas]

Yeah, this was something I wanted to say too but didn't have time. I think you make a really good point. My post refers only to MLs. To a certain extent, I would only date an ML if offered the opportunity.

The inherent flaw in this process is that we are going to a massage parlour primarily to relieve stress and/or reduce our sexual cravings (through a good massage, a pretty lady and a nice HJ). The fact that we go here suggests that we haven't been able to get this elsewhere so we are paying for this service.

The basic premise of visiting these shops therefore is to enjoy ourselves for a short time and then get out of there. However, as humans, we thrive on connection and chemistry as well and some of these MLs have it in abundance.

You're right that you need them emotionally invested. You have to have a way with words and there has to be some physical attraction as well. The irony to some extent is that I guess if we were all physically very attractive, we wouldn't need to pay for these services, we could probably meet girls who may do some of these services. But i digress..

At the end of the day, you can't control where you meet someone but it is a uphill battle in trying to make something work with an ML. I guess I am hoping its not uphill given my recent infatuations but I need to be realistic.

I'm sure most of guys think this way. I can tell there were more chance to have boyfriend when I was ML.
It was much more fun being ML. But i compromise with money and reality.. boo hoo!

[vvillie]

Hi bro, I had exactly same experience as you. Dating one single mum ML for nearly two years, and still seeing her for half year after she Stopped working as ML since early this year. She kept saying that she just do this job because her son. I had feeling that maybe we are seeing same ML. Anyway, during that time, I thought we are in love, then few month ago, suddenly she break up with me just by text message for no reason. I was really confused and didn't understand why she can break up with me just by text after we have been together such long time. The I find the reason. She was constantly meeting other guys.some is her costumer, some are guys she meet in club, some guys are introduced by her friend. There is no love in this kind of relationship with ML. Just about money or marriage visa or something else, maybe not 100%, but definitely more than 99%. ML meet hundreds men in a month, if ML want to find husband or boy friends from their customer, they have hundreds choice every month. If I seeing hundreds girls in one month, I definitely will find more than 10 girls that I wil have connection with. So ML changed their mind all the time in relationship, just because each day they may have better choice and meet another better man.
Bro vvllie, if you know your ML was seeing other guys when you are together, and have few more option for marriage at same time when you offer her, and just dump you by text message when she made her final decision. Of Course, she will say she did everything for a better future of her son. But do u still respect her a lot?

I sent you a Pm.

[whoiam]

I'm sure most of guys think this way. I can tell there were more chance to have boyfriend when I was ML.
It was much more fun being ML. But i compromise with money and reality.. boo hoo!

Agree wiz u Ms Xmas. It's ture, a Decent ML always can creat good connection wiz customers, and men always wanna go back to see or ask their favorite ML go out to try their luck to have the intercouse. Bcuz of that kind of desire of men, that makes ML can have more chance to see their regulars and pick bf or partner from them. WL's customer is a bit different, Cuz Intercouse is part of service, if there is no more men can ask for....unless fall in love wiz the girl:))) 99% of punter would like to have sex wiz different young ladies, they pay for their hard earning so they deserve that. WL still have regulars who is care about the skills or the way of sex they used to. But the frequency to see regulars is not very high, that bcuz of finance damage. Generally being a WL is more difficult than ML, so I try my best to treat girl nicely when I punting every time, even the sometimes the girl don't give me a good face or service, I wont be piss off, maybe the girl is tired, had tough customer b4 me, or other puressure for her life. But I'm not going to see her again, that all abt business. None's earning is easily. Not evey WL wanna accumulate wealth by their job, is only for make some quick cash at this stage. Compromise wiz money and reality. Cheers Miss Xmas, we are the same fighting in the this city for surviving or have a better life :))))

[garfield]

I'm sure most of guys think this way. I can tell there were more chance to have boyfriend when I was ML.
It was much more fun being ML. But i compromise with money and reality.. boo hoo!

Christmas, can you share some of your stories when you were a ML or from your ML friends. I'm sure it will be quite interesting.

[asiafever]

Imagine an average ml works 3 days a week across 1 or 2 venues, seeing 5 clients a day. Conservatively speaking. So 15 different guys a week, mostly trying the same thing. "Where are you from? Are you studying here? You're very pretty.". They know that repeat clientèle is bread and butter so smile, giggle etc and make their client feel great. Clients feel this makes them special and ask for numbers etc. It seems a lot of workers have 2 mobiles, work and life. Anyhow you can follow that story to its natural conclusion. Occasionally, rarely, there is a genuine connection. You don't have to guess it you will know. Then the question for the two people involved is how far down the rabbit hole they are willing to go. Dating a ml is not for everyone, you have to be extremely comfortable within yourself, and same goes for the girl too. Of course if it's just a casual thing with no emotions involved be clear from the start.

[wilisno]

Christmas, can you share some of your stories when you were a ML or from your ML friends. I'm sure it will be quite interesting.
Good call ! ;) ;) ;)

[Christmas]

Agree wiz u Ms Xmas. It's ture, a Decent ML always can creat good connection wiz customers, and men always wanna go back to see or ask their favorite ML go out to try their luck to have the intercouse. Bcuz of that kind of desire of men, that makes ML can have more chance to see their regulars and pick bf or partner from them. WL's customer is a bit different, Cuz Intercouse is part of service, if there is no more men can ask for....unless fall in love wiz the girl:))) 99% of punter would like to have sex wiz different young ladies, they pay for their hard earning so they deserve that. WL still have regulars who is care about the skills or the way of sex they used to. But the frequency to see regulars is not very high, that bcuz of finance damage. Generally being a WL is more difficult than ML, so I try my best to treat girl nicely when I punting every time, even the sometimes the girl don't give me a good face or service, I wont be piss off, maybe the girl is tired, had tough customer b4 me, or other puressure for her life. But I'm not going to see her again, that all abt business. None's earning is easily. Not evey WL wanna accumulate wealth by their job, is only for make some quick cash at this stage. Compromise wiz money and reality. Cheers Miss Xmas, we are the same fighting in the this city for surviving or have a better life :))))

Well said!!! san q for warm and nice words.. 😊

[Christmas]

Christmas, can you share some of your stories when you were a ML or from your ML friends. I'm sure it will be quite interesting.

Mm k... I have no idea where do i begin! too many stories i've seen, heard, and done.

My first boy friend in Aus was customer when i worked @m8.
Even though he was married guy, we were going out for more than a year. I'm sure he is member of this forum, because he mentioned it sometimes, so i won't describe in very detail just in case.. he notices me and sends me creepy PM... lol
He was professional ML sniper. so his ex was ML as well, we worked at same place, it was so much thrill... A year later we broke up naturally because I left Aus for a while, it wasn't tough because i didn't love him anymore anyways, lol good chance to break up indeed... what could you expect from married guy.

[Oneonone]

Mm k... I have no idea where do i begin! too many stories i've seen, heard, and done.

My first boy friend in Aus was customer when i worked @m8.
Even though he was married guy, we were going out for more than a year. I'm sure he is member of this forum, because he mentioned it sometimes, so i won't describe in very detail just in case.. he notices me and sends me creepy PM... lol
He was professional ML sniper. so his ex was ML as well, we worked at same place, it was so much thrill... A year later we broke up naturally because I left Aus for a while, it wasn't tough because i didn't love him anymore anyways, lol good chance to break up indeed... what could you expect from married guy.

I think from a married guy you can expect lots of love and affection but unfortunately no commitment even if they would like to give it!

As a working lady you can at least expect a regular visit and so a regular income!

[Bigfoot]

I see this differently . I've been down it with FS women - actually high paid escort and none Asian.
No I wasn't the drug dealer. Contrary to what most thought.

If your asking on forum in my honest opinion. your not ready. You really do have to not give a flying fuck - about the fucking. the dick touching the whole lot. in fact you need to be on a level of it's the job. Similar to say someone who works in a garbage land fill and has smell that does not get out of them or - if they work in the sewerage treatment facilities.

You have to not even see the relationship on anything but company first. I always found it easy myself. because my life was at the time - totally similar hours and downfalls from smell - to seeing things you don't want to see. Plus the other jobs I've done - consider it dead body recovery - they smell bad and so does picking up the brains of dead motorcyclists. For the forensic unit.

Another planet. Most people think they can handle it. oh it's easy, but once you get into the deep stage, if will get to you. even the past.
I think it never got to me because I might have been monogamist at the time more due to the reason we met in first place. but I didn't see myself in a relationship - yet I never looked for another.

I think it's something only an experienced and person who has no issues about it can handle. I have heard and seen and met many who have been in the relationship with W/L . the Men who didn't know before and after finding out were better off. Those who knew, the ones that didn't OD or go off mad. Never stayed with them as far as I know. sometimes the Girl OD.

trust me stay away from the ones who say they are gay but like fucking men. the gay lover may come after you. they be lesbians and they can hit hard. Or if your big like me go straight for the boys. not light smack - hospital grade

[garfield]

Mm k... I have no idea where do i begin! too many stories i've seen, heard, and done.

My first boy friend in Aus was customer when i worked @m8.
Even though he was married guy, we were going out for more than a year. I'm sure he is member of this forum, because he mentioned it sometimes, so i won't describe in very detail just in case.. he notices me and sends me creepy PM... lol
He was professional ML sniper. so his ex was ML as well, we worked at same place, it was so much thrill... A year later we broke up naturally because I left Aus for a while, it wasn't tough because i didn't love him anymore anyways, lol good chance to break up indeed... what could you expect from married guy.

He's a lucky guy to have you for a year. Some of us can only dream about it.Lol.

[AHLUNGOR]

He's a lucky guy to have you for a year. Some of us can only dream about it.Lol.

No need to dream, we all know where Garfield can meet Jerry !!

[Christmas]

No need to dream, we all know where Garfield can meet Jerry !!

True �� and also i think i was lucky to meet him. He taught me many things include English..

[Oneonone]

There are so many beautiful women out there and a lot of them working ladies, a working lady is so independent and are used to spending lots of money so the up keep if you don't want to work is high they are high maintenance.

Unfortunately if you want to have them to your self you need to be financially well off and I often wonder can they just accept having sex with only one partner.

[rooter]

1 whole year with a girl no matter how hot, pretty, and sexy she is my idea of hell.
For me 30 mins with a girl is a honeymoon, 45 mins a happy marriage, and after 1 hour it's time for a friendly divorce ;)
But hey, I'm a weird guy with commitment issues ;)

[garfield]

1 whole year a girl no matter how hot, pretty, and sexy she is my idea of hell.
For me 30 mins with a girl is a honeymoon, 45 mins a happy marriage, and after 1 hour it's time for a friendly divorce ;)
But hey, I'm a weird guy with commitment issues ;)
No problem, that's just you and no one girl can really satisfy your cravings.
Some other people like to connect with girls emotionally and that takes a bit of investment.

[CunningLinguist]

True 😁 and also i think i was lucky to meet him. He taught me many things include English..

Was he a Cunning linguist :)

[sukeong]

I see this differently . I've been down it with FS women - actually high paid escort and none Asian.
No I wasn't the drug dealer. Contrary to what most thought.

If your asking on forum in my honest opinion. your not ready. You really do have to not give a flying fuck - about the fucking. the dick touching the whole lot. in fact you need to be on a level of it's the job. Similar to say someone who works in a garbage land fill and has smell that does not get out of them or - if they work in the sewerage treatment facilities.

You have to not even see the relationship on anything but company first. I always found it easy myself. because my life was at the time - totally similar hours and downfalls from smell - to seeing things you don't want to see. Plus the other jobs I've done - consider it dead body recovery - they smell bad and so does picking up the brains of dead motorcyclists. For the forensic unit.

Another planet. Most people think they can handle it. oh it's easy, but once you get into the deep stage, if will get to you. even the past.
I think it never got to me because I might have been monogamist at the time more due to the reason we met in first place. but I didn't see myself in a relationship - yet I never looked for another.

I think it's something only an experienced and person who has no issues about it can handle. I have heard and seen and met many who have been in the relationship with W/L . the Men who didn't know before and after finding out were better off. Those who knew, the ones that didn't OD or go off mad. Never stayed with them as far as I know. sometimes the Girl OD.

trust me stay away from the ones who say they are gay but like fucking men. the gay lover may come after you. they be lesbians and they can hit hard. Or if your big like me go straight for the boys. not light smack - hospital grade

Dang that's a lot of info to process. Interesting stuff

[loaded]

I think a lot of the comments are interesting. A lot of them are based on assumptions and speculation because as humans where there is lack of information we fill in the gaps ourselves.

In my experience, I visited the same Korean ML for a year and then we took it to the next level and started dating. You don't really know if it's real or not until you leave the confines of the room. It's their job to be friendly, sensual, etc. one thing leads to another and I assumed the connection was real.

She then changed jobs and became a WL. I was comfortable with her line of work and accepted it, but she found it difficult to understand why I was so accepting. We were a couple for 6 months or so, we went on a few holidays together etc. normal couple stuff. Very quickly in the piece she told me she loved me and wanted to make plans about marriage etc. I thought it was very fast...but happy to go along.

I was starting to suspect that I may not have been the only person she was seeing. I was right! Eventually she told me via text that she no longer loved me and didn't want to be together. It came down to me not financially supporting her and therefore in her mind having to continue being a WL that was the issue. We are now friends again. My assumption is that the other guy(s) she also had relations with eventually got over her and didn't want to continue. Hence she has wanted to spend more time with me...but I've been very standoffish.

I had another encounter with a Korean ML from another shop. This girl was much younger. We had a bit of a connection and things progressed faster...and she asked me to ask her out. We went on a few dates and I thought things went ok. Once again though it came down very quickly to me financially supporting her so that she wouldn't have to be a ML. I somewhat agreed, but she had some other guy she was crazy in love with who was engaged to another chick and she decided she wanted to be with him. We no longer speak.

I think it's naive to think that everyone is the same just because they have the same job etc. But you do have to wonder why you have been 'chosen' by the ML/WL. I agree as humans we crave connections. But I think people sometimes have alterior motives, which is fine...as long as you know and are comfortable with that.

You only live once.

[garfield]

I think a lot of the comments are interesting. A lot of them are based on assumptions and speculation because as humans where there is lack of information we fill in the gaps ourselves.

In my experience, I visited the same Korean ML for a year and then we took it to the next level and started dating. You don't really know if it's real or not until you leave the confines of the room. It's their job to be friendly, sensual, etc. one thing leads to another and I assumed the connection was real.

She then changed jobs and became a WL. I was comfortable with her line of work and accepted it, but she found it difficult to understand why I was so accepting. We were a couple for 6 months or so, we went on a few holidays together etc. normal couple stuff. Very quickly in the piece she told me she loved me and wanted to make plans about marriage etc. I thought it was very fast...but happy to go along.

I was starting to suspect that I may not have been the only person she was seeing. I was right! Eventually she told me via text that she no longer loved me and didn't want to be together. It came down to me not financially supporting her and therefore in her mind having to continue being a WL that was the issue. We are now friends again. My assumption is that the other guy(s) she also had relations with eventually got over her and didn't want to continue. Hence she has wanted to spend more time with me...but I've been very standoffish.

I had another encounter with a Korean ML from another shop. This girl was much younger. We had a bit of a connection and things progressed faster...and she asked me to ask her out. We went on a few dates and I thought things went ok. Once again though it came down very quickly to me financially supporting her so that she wouldn't have to be a ML. I somewhat agreed, but she had some other guy she was crazy in love with who was engaged to another chick and she decided she wanted to be with him. We no longer speak.

I think it's naive to think that everyone is the same just because they have the same job etc. But you do have to wonder why you have been 'chosen' by the ML/WL. I agree as humans we crave connections. But I think people sometimes have alterior motives, which is fine...as long as you know and are comfortable with that.

You only live once.
Great sharing, thanks.

I see not much different between ML and normal ladies, normal ladies also looking for partners that is financially stable. In generally, woman see man as providers and choices partner that best provides for them and family.
Remember most of these MLs you are dating are at their prime age, mid 20s to early 30s. They only have a few more years to play with their looks and sex appeals and they will try to get the best deal possible.
Very rare I see true love in these days, as girls usually expects this at early age with their boyfriends but boyfriend cheated on them and hurt them lots so they don't trust man or love that much anymore.

[beta101]

i use to date a ml n i deluded myself thinking we have a future. in the end i can't process her profession n caused alot of pain for both of us. the moral of the story is don't date one.

its so fucked up that in a normal relationship i go to massage places to cheat. however in a ml relationship i can't go to massage places cheat n have to date a normal girl to cheat but by definition you can't cheat on a ml... does that make sense?

[GoldfishMan]

So is it safe to say that for this type of relationship to work, she would have to stop working as an wl/ml?
And naturally, that means you will have to support her.
I think that's only fair. To be honest, that sort of "deal" would make me feel even better than if it was a non-wl girl. The feel good factor comes from knowing that my financial contributions to my girl is making a world of difference in her life. With a non-wl girl, it's more about her being lazy and not wanting to work. With a wl, I'm saving her from having to sell her body.

[sukeong]

So is it safe to say that for this type of relationship to work, she would have to stop working as an wl/ml?
And naturally, that means you will have to support her.
I think that's only fair. To be honest, that sort of "deal" would make me feel even better than if it was a non-wl girl. The feel good factor comes from knowing that my financial contributions to my girl is making a world of difference in her life. With a non-wl girl, it's more about her being lazy and not wanting to work. With a wl, I'm saving her from having to sell her body.

in many cases I think it's not much difference between non wl and wl. In only rare cases a girl has absolutely no other choices but to sell their bodies. Like for example needing large amount of cash in short time for medical fees etc. In most cases they could just opt not to work in this like other non wl. Of course it will mean less pay for most and hard jobs or not being able to achieve their goals like a nice car, apartment or big savings but rarely it's a matter of life and death that giving them financial support is saving them. It is pretty much the same as non wl, not having to work as much. Just in this case the work is in flesh industry

[loaded]

So is it safe to say that for this type of relationship to work, she would have to stop working as an wl/ml?
And naturally, that means you will have to support her.
I think that's only fair. To be honest, that sort of "deal" would make me feel even better than if it was a non-wl girl. The feel good factor comes from knowing that my financial contributions to my girl is making a world of difference in her life. With a non-wl girl, it's more about her being lazy and not wanting to work. With a wl, I'm saving her from having to sell her body.

I think women want independance no matter what profession they have and don't necesarily want a guy to financially support them. I'm not sure of the cultural differences in expectations between east and west.

I think partners want to contribute equally to a relationship, it's up to hat couple to determine what that means and what is acceptable.

[garfield]

I think women want independance no matter what profession they have and don't necesarily want a guy to financially support them. I'm not sure of the cultural differences in expectations between east and west.

I think partners want to contribute equally to a relationship, it's up to hat couple to determine what that means and what is acceptable.
You are thinking like aussie or ABC. The girls from overseas I've mostly spoken to are expecting man to pay.

[junejune]

Once i fell in love with this korean ML, i asked for a date...But she rejected me by saying im too old, well im just 26 years old... And then i think i made a mistake to have fun with another ML the same place as she worked for.. Turned out now,i think she hated me and doesnt want to give a service anymore... Shame on me...

[garfield]

Once i fell in love with this korean ML, i asked for a date...But she rejected me by saying im too old, well im just 26 years old... And then i think i made a mistake to have fun with another ML the same place as she worked for.. Turned out now,i think she hated me and doesnt want to give a service anymore... Shame on me...

26 and too old? I've seldom seen any ML genuinely in early 20s, almost all ads of ML are is fake and youngest is still around mid 20s. I remember one ML who looks really like a young girl was telling me she's now in her 30s but she still looks like 19, whereas some other girls in the same shop is much younger but looks more mature or old.

Why would her be angry, she must also have crush on you!

[tpol]

How much does a ML make a day? For a $60 massage and $50 tips per hour, would she make $75 an hour?

Say she has 8 customers a day, that would be $600 and no tax?

Now how can you stop her from working beside covering her loss of income?

One way that I can think of is to start your own massage shop, preferably in a shopping centre and employ her to run it.

[garfield]

How much does a ML make a day? For a $60 massage and $50 tips per hour, would she make $75 an hour?

Say she has 8 customers a day, that would be $600 and no tax?

Now how can you stop her from working beside covering her loss of income?

One way that I can think of is to start your own massage shop, preferably in a shopping centre and employ her to run it.

They don't earn that much a day, as customer varies, some just go for massage or clothed hj.
Average is like 250 to 350 a day.

I know someone who bailed out a ML and he is giving her 1000 per week.

IF you have that sort of money, you could easily house a young ML and free fuck every night. Quick good deal actually.

[AHLUNGOR]

How much does a ML make a day? For a $60 massage and $50 tips per hour, would she make $75 an hour?

Say she has 8 customers a day, that would be $600 and no tax?

Now how can you stop her from working beside covering her loss of income?

One way that I can think of is to start your own massage shop, preferably in a shopping centre and employ her to run it.


Hey brother tpol,

8 customers a day, $600 tax free income, those were the good old days mate !! and if the ML would give a BJ here or there or do a couple of FS a day, you can add another couple of hundred there too - plus more tips occasionally.

There may still be MLs and shops that are this busy, may be not everyday, but only once or twice a week or every two weeks, things are getting a lot tougher now. And I think across the industry, the business volume has come down gradually in the past few years. Too many shops and too much competitions ! You only have to look and count how many massage shops are now advertising in this forum and how many of them are new shops which just opened in the past two years.

Cheers

:smile:

[whoiam]

Hey brother tpol,

8 customers a day, $600 tax free income, those were the good old days mate !! and if the ML would give a BJ here or there or do a couple of FS a day, you can add another couple of hundred there too - plus more tips occasionally.

There may still be MLs and shops that are this busy, may be not everyday, but only once or twice a week or every two weeks, things are getting a lot tougher now. And I think across the industry, the business volume has come down gradually in the past few years. Too many shops and too much competitions ! You only have to look and count how many massage shops are now advertising in this forum and how many of them are new shops which just opened in the past two years.

Cheers

:smile:

So just wondering the income of WL compare wiz ML. For instance a budget shop price marked as $160 p/h, one of the girl told me she can take $110, normally she can take 7-8 customers on one shift. So it's about $800 daily income wizout tax... While they do suffering a lot from their job, but it's really high income. That's why its more difficult to date wiz WL than ML. But many guys rather than dating a ML rather than WL, due to the desire to conquer. But some guys r looking for the free sex haha that's a different story then.

[garfield]

So just wondering the income of WL compare wiz ML. For instance a budget shop price marked as $160 p/h, one of the girl told me she can take $110, normally she can take 7-8 customers on one shift. So it's about $800 daily income wizout tax... While they do suffering a lot from their job, but it's really high income. That's why its more difficult to date wiz WL than ML. But many guys rather than dating a ML rather than WL, due to the desire to conquer. But some guys r looking for the free sex haha that's a different story then.

In general, WL should earn more than ML. You can still date WL, but they are just not going to stop working unless you are really loaded or they really want to give it up.

[MAX FAKE]

For some reason some people want to talk down the amount of money shops and girls make.

Reality is the ML will make $600-$700 per day. She is in the shop for 10 hours per shift and if she does quick 30 mins sessions then it's at least $50 a pop, and let's face it most ML will do BJ or FS so there is potential to make even more per shift and it's all tax free! Whether it's for every customer or select customers, they do it.

All credit to them, they are willing to pull cocks all day whether the customer is young, old, good looking, ugly, skinny, fat, clean, dirty, they do it, so they deserve to make as much money as possible.

My point is that they are definitely making more than $250-$300 a shift.

[garfield]

For some reason some people want to talk down the amount of money shops and girls make.

Reality is the ML will make $600-$700 per day. She is in the shop for 10 hours per shift and if she does quick 30 mins sessions then it's at least $50 a pop, and let's face it most ML will do BJ or FS so there is potential to make even more per shift and it's all tax free! Whether it's for every customer or select customers, they do it.

All credit to them, they are willing to pull cocks all day whether the customer is young, old, good looking, ugly, skinny, fat, clean, dirty, they do it, so they deserve to make as much money as possible.

My point is that they are definitely making more than $250-$300 a shift.

For a busy ML I agree they can easily make that kind of money but I'm surprised in reality most don't get that much since shops are that that busy nowadays. Some shops have more girls than rooms available and a lot of ML are complaining on that too.

[CunningLinguist]

I have heard from some WLs that WLs can make 0 in a day if the shop is not busy or the WL is not so attractive ...
So the same might apply to MLs.

[Midnight_Prowl]

This is real story. I met some Thai ml in artarmon. She had really hot bod, petite and very tight body. Apparently she used to be a car model in Thai but needed money for her family. She liked korean movie and drama, so I get on very well with her, paid for 30mins and stay there for 2 hrs etc. (sometimes in waiting area). Anyhow one day she was gone and I saw her on Facebook. She married billionaire :surprise: not millionaire billion!!!
Gd stuff for her :smile:

[tpol]

501 newtown and the Thai Dulwich hill massage shop is very busy.

As someone said above lots of 30 min sessions with $50 tip + base adds up

[AHLUNGOR]

I have heard from some WLs that WLs can make 0 in a day if the shop is not busy or the WL is not so attractive ...
So the same might apply to MLs.


Yes, there are good days and there are bad days ! Some shops could get as little as 4 to 5 jobs in total on a quiet Sunday while on a busy Friday the same shop could get 40 jobs !

But from what I know, which is across around 8 to 9 shops , business in general are down from 2012 and 2013 ! There are simply too many shops these days ! And some operators went from one shop to two shops, so go figure ! And the amount of people punting certainly have not doubled !

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Yes, there are good days and there are bad days ! Some shops could get as little as 4 to 5 jobs in total on a quiet Sunday while on a busy Friday the same shop could get 40 jobs !

But from what I know, which is across around 8 to 9 shops , business in general are down from 2012 and 2013 ! There are simply too many shops these days ! And some operators went from one shop to two shops, so go figure ! And the amount of people punting certainly have not doubled !

If you are taking about averages then yes, some will do poorly and some will do well.

Then there are the popular places and popular girls. I know a popular ML at a popular shop was pulling about $20K per month, as high as $30K when she started.

[garfield]

If you are taking about averages then yes, some will do poorly and some will do well.

Then there are the popular places and popular girls. I know a popular ML at a popular shop was pulling about $20K per month, as high as $30K when she started.
Wow, most of us would have visited her then.

[tpol]

tax free right?

that's $240k a year.That's like pulling $400k before tax

[whoiam]

[QUOTE=tpol;716906]tax free right?

that's $240k a year.That's like pulling $400k before tax. Base on their working condition, working time, and the risk. While no more future financial protection. They deserve that much income.

[freshjive]

One WL i know works 4 times a week - 14 hrs shift. Yes she makes that sort of money but the problem is she's also a big spender. So never enough for her. She told me that she 's not good keeping those cash. Last week, she found a stash of cash inside a box and she didnt even realise that she put it there. Too much cash income can be a real problem for some of these girls. Some of the smart ones invest, but those aren't, could just be spending it all and dont save. Very sad if u think about it.

[garfield]

One WL i know works 4 times a week - 14 hrs shift. Yes she makes that sort of money but the problem is she's also a big spender. So never enough for her. She told me that she 's not good keeping those cash. Last week, she found a stash of cash inside a box and she didnt even realise that she put it there. Too much cash income can be a real problem for some of these girls. Some of the smart ones invest, but those aren't, could just be spending it all and dont save. Very sad if u think about it.

I know some works 6 days or 7 days a week!

[Oneonone]

Its a real shame but true a lot of wl earn good money but they cant budget or save they spend every dollar they earn.

A few that I see I tell them to put $10 or $20 dollars away every shift they work soon they will have something saved for holidays or the future!

The smart ones use the money to buy property or invest it or something else worth while.

Some are stupid and just live for the moment.

[freshjive]

If they dont bank and put it into some sort of term deposit it it will be very hard to save. I've offered my financial advice to some WLs just to help them a bit. If i can make a difference, i'll be very happy.

[MAX FAKE]

I'd be careful handing out free financial advice bro. You'll get them into trouble if you advise them to put their money in the bank, then they'll get done for tax evasion LOL

You know what they say about free advice......

[loaded]

I'd be careful handing out free financial advice bro. You'll get them into trouble if you advise them to put their money in the bank, then they'll get done for tax evasion LOL

You know what they say about free advice......

Speaking of free advice....

I've recently gone to dinner a few times with a WL and established we're happy to have a casual relationship.

What's the etiquette on visiting her at the place she works? Do I continue to visit? Plus what are the boundaries and expectations?

As you can tell it's been a while since I've been in a casual relationship.

[garfield]

Speaking of free advice....

I've recently gone to dinner a few times with a WL and established we're happy to have a casual relationship.

What's the etiquette on visiting her at the place she works? Do I continue to visit? Plus what are the boundaries and expectations?

As you can tell it's been a while since I've been in a casual relationship.

I think continues to see her at shop so she has to give you good service. And continue to take her out and she will continue the level of service she gives you.
Whichever service is better, expect that same level of service whether in or out of shop.

[CunningLinguist]

Speaking of free advice....

I've recently gone to dinner a few times with a WL and established we're happy to have a casual relationship.

What's the etiquette on visiting her at the place she works? Do I continue to visit? Plus what are the boundaries and expectations?

As you can tell it's been a while since I've been in a casual relationship.

If you see her at the shop won't you be cheating on her :)

[loaded]

If you see her at the shop won't you be cheating on her :)

LOL. Not really cause it's not serious or exclusive.

[AHLUNGOR]

Speaking of free advice....

I've recently gone to dinner a few times with a WL and established we're happy to have a casual relationship.

What's the etiquette on visiting her at the place she works? Do I continue to visit? Plus what are the boundaries and expectations?

As you can tell it's been a while since I've been in a casual relationship.

There is no set rules in any oh these brother as every brother is different and each to his own and many WLs has their own various circumstances too, basically there is no rule IMHO !

But basic human decency and respects and generousity will always go a long way !

Enjoy it while you can, either inside the shop or the dating outside !

By the way, when you said casual relationship does that mean sexually with no money involved ?

If so, then may be best Not to see her in the shop as it may complicate things !

If the casual relationship doesn't involve sex than no harm keep seeing her in the shop until you move up to the next level !

Again, only the two persons involved here can be the best judge on their own affairs , just my two cents.

Cheers

[loaded]

There is no set rules in any oh these brother as every brother is different and each to his own and many WLs has their own various circumstances too, basically there is no rule IMHO !

But basic human decency and respects and generousity will always go a long way !

Enjoy it while you can, either inside the shop or the dating outside !

By the way, when you said casual relationship does that mean sexually with no money involved ?

If so, then may be best Not to see her in the shop as it may complicate things !

If the casual relationship doesn't involve sex than no harm keep seeing her in the shop until you move up to the next level !

Again, only the two persons involved here can be the best judge on their own affairs , just my two cents.

Cheers

Thanks for the advice...I assume it's sex without payment, otherwise we'd just be friends and we confirmed its more than friends.

[Van_Allen]

I’ve had my fair share of experience dating ML’s. I’m certainly not a ML ‘sniper’ (haha this made me laugh) and don’t look to exclusively date or ‘hunt’ ML as such but over the past six or seven years I’ve had relationships with three ML’s, all Thai. My main reason for going to massage joints is due to a lack of time. Visiting a ML is relaxing and an easy way to get your rocks off so for me it’s a hell of a lot easier and time efficient than playing around with Tinder, visiting other online websites or hanging out in bars.

The first ML I dated was Natalie from Oasis (also Leichardt/Artarmon). We dated for about four months before I discovered sites like this and realised she was sucking/fucking every second customer she saw. I decided then that I’d just use the situation purely for sex (which was incredible), this lasted for about another two months. I then became aware that she was also using me and her sole motive was to find herself an Aussie bf so she could obtain a permanent visa and this was confirmed when she started to arrange for me to meet her family, was taking loads of photos and then wanted us to set up a joint bank account, all for Immigration purposes. When it got to this point I finally broke it off.

The second ML I dated was also from Oasis and was named Lisa. Lisa was middle aged, for a ML, had a fair amount of money saved so was working in a massage joint for a bit of spare cash but also the fun/exhilaration of it. She didn’t last long in the business maybe only five or six months. We started seeing each other and ended up having a casual sexual relationship for about a year and half. Lisa was an amazing girl to hang out, she became a great mate who just happen to also let me fuck her, it was the perfect situation for the both of us at the time. I miss those days. She went back to Thailand for a year and we meet up briefly for a drink when she came back but I was dating another girl by then.

The third ML I dated is still in the business so for privacy reasons I won’t reveal her parlour or name but she often gets mentioned on this forum. She was a lovely girl, really sweet in nature and came out to Australia following her siblings and due to her limited English skills and need to support the rest of her family back home became a ML. We dated for almost a year and appeared to be in love or at least I was. I’ve previously posted about the way it ended, which wasn’t good but at the time this is the girl I thought I could see myself having a future with.

I guess what I have taken away from these experience is that every ML is in the business for different reasons just like I’m sure there are many different reasons and circumstances as to why we visit rub and tugs in the first place. If you are going to date a ML my advice is to make sure you know what you want out of the relationship and make it crystal clear to the girl upfront. She may then tell you it’s not what she wants and ends it but you will avoid a lot of hassle down the road. It’s standard advice really. You also have to be comfortable with the fact that the girl makes her money getting guys off, with her being naked and felt up most of the time!

Apologies for the long post, feels good to tell my experiences though...

[Oneonone]

I have dated a few working ladies in my time one I dated for ten years she stopped working after about two years but I kept seeing her privately after she gave up working she was great but it came to an end.

I have dated a few others they have been great at first but in the end the they didn't last.

[birch]

about 5 years ago I had a ~4 year on and off again fling with a Thai WL by the name of Win / Chanel at the old 133 (is that right??) Erskine St shop. I first saw her at a private apartment in Bathurst st where she called herself Chanel. She'd just come off a long-term jet-setting lifestyle relationship with a married sugar daddy that spent most of his life travelling and could afford to take is 'partner' with him... Don't know why that relationship failed exactly - but 'Chanel' was clearly struggling without the income she was accustomed to... I'm quite sure I wasn't the only guy with the privileges I received , but 'Chanel' (I won't use her real name as she's happily living in sydney today with her children and a payout from a divorce settlement!) wanted the company as well as the cash and at the time I had a partner overseas and plenty of time on my hands - so we practically lived together for around a year.

Things cooled off a little as she was keen to earn more and after several months hiatus I got a call in the morning asking for urgent help... I was already on my way into town so I stopped by her flat to find she had miscarried! -fuck! thank god I knew it wasn't my kid! anyway I helped her clean herself up and we bundled ourselves into a cab and headed off to North Shore hospital. She was checked in for a couple of days and thankfully they took really good care of her- she was a mess...

Within months after that episode we stayed in touch -but purely platonically and suddenly she announced her marriage and a year later kid # 2 arrives and by year 3 the divorce was settled and she managed to keep a flat, and majority custody, support, income + schooling for the second kid. I sincerely hope the other bloke who fell for her can afford all this, she pulled a master stroke and I'm just glad I either -a/didn't fall for her more than he did b/ I wasn't wealthy enough to attract her to that degree and c/ I held enough trust with her that she decided not to pick on me... either way this episode burned some serious memories into my brain and I doubt I'll ever forget it.

[Mr Crash and Burn]

I’ve had my fair share of experience dating ML’s. I’m certainly not a ML ‘sniper’ (haha this made me laugh) and don’t look to exclusively date or ‘hunt’ ML as such but over the past six or seven years I’ve had relationships with three ML’s, all Thai. My main reason for going to massage joints is due to a lack of time. Visiting a ML is relaxing and an easy way to get your rocks off so for me it’s a hell of a lot easier and time efficient than playing around with Tinder, visiting other online websites or hanging out in bars.

The first ML I dated was Natalie from Oasis (also Leichardt/Artarmon). We dated for about four months before I discovered sites like this and realised she was sucking/fucking every second customer she saw. I decided then that I’d just use the situation purely for sex (which was incredible), this lasted for about another two months. I then became aware that she was also using me and her sole motive was to find herself an Aussie bf so she could obtain a permanent visa and this was confirmed when she started to arrange for me to meet her family, was taking loads of photos and then wanted us to set up a joint bank account, all for Immigration purposes. When it got to this point I finally broke it off.

The second ML I dated was also from Oasis and was named Lisa. Lisa was middle aged, for a ML, had a fair amount of money saved so was working in a massage joint for a bit of spare cash but also the fun/exhilaration of it. She didn’t last long in the business maybe only five or six months. We started seeing each other and ended up having a casual sexual relationship for about a year and half. Lisa was an amazing girl to hang out, she became a great mate who just happen to also let me fuck her, it was the perfect situation for the both of us at the time. I miss those days. She went back to Thailand for a year and we meet up briefly for a drink when she came back but I was dating another girl by then.

The third ML I dated is still in the business so for privacy reasons I won’t reveal her parlour or name but she often gets mentioned on this forum. She was a lovely girl, really sweet in nature and came out to Australia following her siblings and due to her limited English skills and need to support the rest of her family back home became a ML. We dated for almost a year and appeared to be in love or at least I was. I’ve previously posted about the way it ended, which wasn’t good but at the time this is the girl I thought I could see myself having a future with.

I guess what I have taken away from these experience is that every ML is in the business for different reasons just like I’m sure there are many different reasons and circumstances as to why we visit rub and tugs in the first place. If you are going to date a ML my advice is to make sure you know what you want out of the relationship and make it crystal clear to the girl upfront. She may then tell you it’s not what she wants and ends it but you will avoid a lot of hassle down the road. It’s standard advice really. You also have to be comfortable with the fact that the girl makes her money getting guys off, with her being naked and felt up most of the time!

Apologies for the long post, feels good to tell my experiences though...


Natalie.....ooops, I am sorry Van_Allen....you may have been getting my sloppy seconds or vice versa.

[ramjet]

Natalie.....ooops, I am sorry Van_Allen....you may have been getting my sloppy seconds or vice versa.

Seems Natalie really did spread the love around. She was great and I have many fond memories of her.

[Van_Allen]

Crash and Burn & Ramjet - It's all good brothers, Natalie was the first ML I dated and I quickly caught on to what her true motives were. I also have fond memories of her. She was such a sexual being and up for ANYTHING. Good times :)

[uglyphil]

The one time I "dated" a WL was when I took her for a drive out to Blue Mountains (she had never been west of Parramatta). Showed her some awesome views (which she loved), had some great food and guided her through Scenic World at Katoomba as well (she also loved the train ride there). Then took her back to Darling Harbour for a night at the Four Points.

This is where it went downhill :(

She developed a rash from the carpet and... well long story short I thought from her reactions in the morning she never wanted to see me again.

1 year later and she contacted me to say she was going home and would I like to visit her. I did and it was nice. We talked and she told me that liked to see me in the shop, but not outside.

Oh well...

I will just have to visit her a few more times before October... ;)

[Sextus]

The one time I "dated" a WL was when I took her for a drive out to Blue Mountains (she had never been west of Parramatta). Showed her some awesome views (which she loved), had some great food and guided her through Scenic World at Katoomba as well (she also loved the train ride there). Then took her back to Darling Harbour for a night at the Four Points.

This is where it went downhill :(

I think the day may have been too big. At least six hours tough mountainous suburban driving thhere and back. It is suburbs all the way to Katoomba and back. Plus sight seeing, and lunching and then attempting a whole night out back at Darling Harbour. That might have caused her rash breakout.

[uglyphil]

At least six hours tough mountainous suburban driving thhere and back.

Maybe if you drive like Miss Daisy...

It was a long day, but she had a great sleep in the car on the way back, and it was her decision to go out to dinner and then the movies. Not sure how a long day can cause a rash, but then I am not a doctor.. you?

In any case, it all worked out. She had a great time and so did I. We found out we are not compatible outside of a shop situation, yet inside the shop...

All goooooooooodddd :D

[z3335526]

So an update to my situation.

The ML came back from holidays and I surprised her with a white rose and a card conveying some of my feelings. She was gone for a while and I had really missed her when she left because I was developing a great connection with her.

So I gave her those and told her how much I missed her. She read the card and was thankful for the rose. The card had my number which I thought was a nice way of providing my number in a subtle way. I hinted that I wanted to see her outside of the shop and would wait on her to find some time to see me.

That session went well and we spent the whole time just chatting. She said we definitely could meet outside for lunch. I ended the session feeling great and hopeful that I could pursue this "relationship" further and maybe make it into something.

She didn't text back for a few days.

I organised a session with her later that week in the shop. I subtly hinted that I was slightly disappointed that she didn't text me. Inside the shop, she treats me so well. She is completely at ease and engages with me on a pretty personal level. From my position, I keep thinking that it would be so easy to convert this into something more on the outside. I left that session again feeling better and hoping that something would materialise. At that session, I got her number from her and texted her a few greetings afterwards. Her responses were short and succinct and i felt that I wasn't making much progress in the "Texting" game.

Next week arrives and I see her. As usual, the session is great and we are there just talking and kissing. I find out more about her. For the last few sessions, I told her I didn't want a happy ending but I would still pay her the extra fee. She didn't accept the extra fee on those occassions which was nice. But this week, she was keen for me to relax and let her do her magic. She is great at that but in my mind, I am trying to find ways to go out with this girl, and I felt that the arrangement of paying her to satisfy my little fellow was not the way to go about it. Strange that we think differently when we like a girl.

Well that week (saw her twice) and both sessions were great but I still couldn't manage to see her outside. She flaked on the one occasion i suggested a meetup. However, I asked very late and even I would have probably said no lol given the late request.

Cue last week, I again saw her twice. Both sessions were great as usual. She treats me fantastic inside the shop. I keep implying that I am desperate to see her outside. She said that she will be seeing me on my bday (this week). I understand that but am keen to lunch with her sometime. She says she will let me know. Essentially, I tried twice to organise something with her last week and on both occasions, they failed. Her texting game has improved. She initiates a few texts but I have been unable to secure a meet-up outside the shop yet which depresses me alot.

It hurts man. You feel like you build a connection and you struggle to complete the process. I felt like I did the hard things. I got the number, I got her to text a few times, but in the end, like what many of you have said, these girls are more comfortable in the shop than meeting you outside.

I need to understand that I was fighting a losing battle from the beginning anyway. Firstly:

1. She's really pretty and I'm in the process of becoming fit again but am not in her league (yet lol)
2. She's a ML (tough to beat that one)
3. She's very popular at the shop which would suggest that my feelings may have been shared by many. I still believe I am different to others in how I connect with her but my failure to secure a date would suggest otherwise.

I also have played the "Game" poorly. From my position, my texting game was poor and I think I showed signs of desperation. When you like a girl, you start acting and texting differently and I think this is a turn-off. When she flaked on the last meeting, I texted her and called her twice to no avail. I needn't have done that. The pure fact that she said she would let me know when she would be free the previous night should have been enough to suggest that she would initiate the conversation the next day. Her failure to do so should have been enough. MY actions in calling and texting were unnecessary because they look a little desperate and that's not the image you want to create. I spoke to her on the phone and she basically said she was out the previous night and slept most of the next day. I said ok and then ended the conversation (politely).

I feel disappointed, disheartened and a little confused. I need to understand that it is almost impossible to date a ML (especially one that is very pretty) but my naivety got the better of me. I am unsure as to what my next steps should be. I have thought about this girl ALOT. Tbh, as much as girls I have really liked in the past. That is the effect she has had on me.

I love the sessions in the shop but I know that inside, I will always want more and that seems like something I am not going to get.

She has indicated that she wanted to get me something for my bday this week and do something but I am fairly certain this will not happen (based on past experiences).

I feel like I need to take a step back and just not text or see her for a while. I'm a sucker for these girls and it's going to take alot of effort but it seems like the only thing to do.

Sorry for the long-winded essay but I need to get my thoughts on paper because I'm feeling down and gym and cardio appear the only things that keep my upbeat during the day. Time will tell.

[loaded]

So an update to my situation.

The ML came back from holidays and I surprised her with a white rose and a card conveying some of my feelings. She was gone for a while and I had really missed her when she left because I was developing a great connection with her.

So I gave her those and told her how much I missed her. She read the card and was thankful for the rose. The card had my number which I thought was a nice way of providing my number in a subtle way. I hinted that I wanted to see her outside of the shop and would wait on her to find some time to see me.

That session went well and we spent the whole time just chatting. She said we definitely could meet outside for lunch. I ended the session feeling great and hopeful that I could pursue this "relationship" further and maybe make it into something.

She didn't text back for a few days.

I organised a session with her later that week in the shop. I subtly hinted that I was slightly disappointed that she didn't text me. Inside the shop, she treats me so well. She is completely at ease and engages with me on a pretty personal level. From my position, I keep thinking that it would be so easy to convert this into something more on the outside. I left that session again feeling better and hoping that something would materialise. At that session, I got her number from her and texted her a few greetings afterwards. Her responses were short and succinct and i felt that I wasn't making much progress in the "Texting" game.

Next week arrives and I see her. As usual, the session is great and we are there just talking and kissing. I find out more about her. For the last few sessions, I told her I didn't want a happy ending but I would still pay her the extra fee. She didn't accept the extra fee on those occassions which was nice. But this week, she was keen for me to relax and let her do her magic. She is great at that but in my mind, I am trying to find ways to go out with this girl, and I felt that the arrangement of paying her to satisfy my little fellow was not the way to go about it. Strange that we think differently when we like a girl.

Well that week (saw her twice) and both sessions were great but I still couldn't manage to see her outside. She flaked on the one occasion i suggested a meetup. However, I asked very late and even I would have probably said no lol given the late request.

Cue last week, I again saw her twice. Both sessions were great as usual. She treats me fantastic inside the shop. I keep implying that I am desperate to see her outside. She said that she will be seeing me on my bday (this week). I understand that but am keen to lunch with her sometime. She says she will let me know. Essentially, I tried twice to organise something with her last week and on both occasions, they failed. Her texting game has improved. She initiates a few texts but I have been unable to secure a meet-up outside the shop yet which depresses me alot.

It hurts man. You feel like you build a connection and you struggle to complete the process. I felt like I did the hard things. I got the number, I got her to text a few times, but in the end, like what many of you have said, these girls are more comfortable in the shop than meeting you outside.

I need to understand that I was fighting a losing battle from the beginning anyway. Firstly:

1. She's really pretty and I'm in the process of becoming fit again but am not in her league (yet lol)
2. She's a ML (tough to beat that one)
3. She's very popular at the shop which would suggest that my feelings may have been shared by many. I still believe I am different to others in how I connect with her but my failure to secure a date would suggest otherwise.

I also have played the "Game" poorly. From my position, my texting game was poor and I think I showed signs of desperation. When you like a girl, you start acting and texting differently and I think this is a turn-off. When she flaked on the last meeting, I texted her and called her twice to no avail. I needn't have done that. The pure fact that she said she would let me know when she would be free the previous night should have been enough to suggest that she would initiate the conversation the next day. Her failure to do so should have been enough. MY actions in calling and texting were unnecessary because they look a little desperate and that's not the image you want to create. I spoke to her on the phone and she basically said she was out the previous night and slept most of the next day. I said ok and then ended the conversation (politely).

I feel disappointed, disheartened and a little confused. I need to understand that it is almost impossible to date a ML (especially one that is very pretty) but my naivety got the better of me. I am unsure as to what my next steps should be. I have thought about this girl ALOT. Tbh, as much as girls I have really liked in the past. That is the effect she has had on me.

I love the sessions in the shop but I know that inside, I will always want more and that seems like something I am not going to get.

She has indicated that she wanted to get me something for my bday this week and do something but I am fairly certain this will not happen (based on past experiences).

I feel like I need to take a step back and just not text or see her for a while. I'm a sucker for these girls and it's going to take alot of effort but it seems like the only thing to do.

Sorry for the long-winded essay but I need to get my thoughts on paper because I'm feeling down and gym and cardio appear the only things that keep my upbeat during the day. Time will tell.

Definitely sounds like tough going. I think you should give her some space. You can't force it...if it's going to happen it will.

No matter how much we want things...sometimes they just don't happen.

[illidanstormrage]

I'm sorry bro but what you are describing is just not attractive behavior for a man. You said it yourself even she can just see the desperation and that will turn girls off straight away. I've been there as would have most guys. They tend to call it one-itis.

I would recommend stop trying to see her outside the shop. Also only see her once every two weeks or however long you can go. I don't know if you've heard of the idiom "absence makes the heart grow fonder" but it's true.. though with ML's it's a little different.

You mentioned she was popular, so can you imagine how many guys have the same idea you have and go about it the same away. Also how many times she would have given her number out. These super hot popular ML's are ruthless, never forget it. Not saying that's a bad thing either it's just the reality of being a hot girl in general but especially in this industry. This girl definitely knows her sexual worth and how to use it.

Do you want to know your biggest mistakes? You wear your heart on your sleeve. You are expecting too much, you shouldn't expect anything. You are giving away your attention mostly and somewhat money too easily, therefore you aren't a challenge to the girl but to be fair it is an uphill battle with an ML to begin with. Which puts you in your current status where she prefers you as a harmless customer a real "nice" guy and not as a possible romantic interest which is what you want.

Unfortunately the "sniper" tactic" (focusing all your energy on one girl that you want to date or w/e) in terms of a sexual mating strategy is probaly the worst and can cause you a ton of stress. You want to be investing your time and energy into multiple girls, so then you can choose the best one and don't come off needy to any of them.

This is one of the best "game" blogs on the internet. He does talk a lot of politics which turns a lot of people off but the advice about dealing with women is spot on.

https://heartiste.wordpress.com/the-sixteen-commandments-of-poon/

[MAX FAKE]

So an update to my situation.

The ML came back from holidays and I surprised her with a white rose and a card conveying some of my feelings. She was gone for a while and I had really missed her when she left because I was developing a great connection with her.

So I gave her those and told her how much I missed her. She read the card and was thankful for the rose. The card had my number which I thought was a nice way of providing my number in a subtle way. I hinted that I wanted to see her outside of the shop and would wait on her to find some time to see me.

That session went well and we spent the whole time just chatting. She said we definitely could meet outside for lunch. I ended the session feeling great and hopeful that I could pursue this "relationship" further and maybe make it into something.

She didn't text back for a few days.

I organised a session with her later that week in the shop. I subtly hinted that I was slightly disappointed that she didn't text me. Inside the shop, she treats me so well. She is completely at ease and engages with me on a pretty personal level. From my position, I keep thinking that it would be so easy to convert this into something more on the outside. I left that session again feeling better and hoping that something would materialise. At that session, I got her number from her and texted her a few greetings afterwards. Her responses were short and succinct and i felt that I wasn't making much progress in the "Texting" game.

Next week arrives and I see her. As usual, the session is great and we are there just talking and kissing. I find out more about her. For the last few sessions, I told her I didn't want a happy ending but I would still pay her the extra fee. She didn't accept the extra fee on those occassions which was nice. But this week, she was keen for me to relax and let her do her magic. She is great at that but in my mind, I am trying to find ways to go out with this girl, and I felt that the arrangement of paying her to satisfy my little fellow was not the way to go about it. Strange that we think differently when we like a girl.

Well that week (saw her twice) and both sessions were great but I still couldn't manage to see her outside. She flaked on the one occasion i suggested a meetup. However, I asked very late and even I would have probably said no lol given the late request.

Cue last week, I again saw her twice. Both sessions were great as usual. She treats me fantastic inside the shop. I keep implying that I am desperate to see her outside. She said that she will be seeing me on my bday (this week). I understand that but am keen to lunch with her sometime. She says she will let me know. Essentially, I tried twice to organise something with her last week and on both occasions, they failed. Her texting game has improved. She initiates a few texts but I have been unable to secure a meet-up outside the shop yet which depresses me alot.

It hurts man. You feel like you build a connection and you struggle to complete the process. I felt like I did the hard things. I got the number, I got her to text a few times, but in the end, like what many of you have said, these girls are more comfortable in the shop than meeting you outside.

I need to understand that I was fighting a losing battle from the beginning anyway. Firstly:

1. She's really pretty and I'm in the process of becoming fit again but am not in her league (yet lol)
2. She's a ML (tough to beat that one)
3. She's very popular at the shop which would suggest that my feelings may have been shared by many. I still believe I am different to others in how I connect with her but my failure to secure a date would suggest otherwise.

I also have played the "Game" poorly. From my position, my texting game was poor and I think I showed signs of desperation. When you like a girl, you start acting and texting differently and I think this is a turn-off. When she flaked on the last meeting, I texted her and called her twice to no avail. I needn't have done that. The pure fact that she said she would let me know when she would be free the previous night should have been enough to suggest that she would initiate the conversation the next day. Her failure to do so should have been enough. MY actions in calling and texting were unnecessary because they look a little desperate and that's not the image you want to create. I spoke to her on the phone and she basically said she was out the previous night and slept most of the next day. I said ok and then ended the conversation (politely).

I feel disappointed, disheartened and a little confused. I need to understand that it is almost impossible to date a ML (especially one that is very pretty) but my naivety got the better of me. I am unsure as to what my next steps should be. I have thought about this girl ALOT. Tbh, as much as girls I have really liked in the past. That is the effect she has had on me.

I love the sessions in the shop but I know that inside, I will always want more and that seems like something I am not going to get.

She has indicated that she wanted to get me something for my bday this week and do something but I am fairly certain this will not happen (based on past experiences).

I feel like I need to take a step back and just not text or see her for a while. I'm a sucker for these girls and it's going to take alot of effort but it seems like the only thing to do.

Sorry for the long-winded essay but I need to get my thoughts on paper because I'm feeling down and gym and cardio appear the only things that keep my upbeat during the day. Time will tell.

There is a simple and obvious reason why she treats you well inside the shop, you are paying for her time!!

Clearly she knows you want to go out with her and she knows how to contact you. If she wants to see you outside the shop, she will let you know.

You should tell us which shop she is at so that we can get a better understanding of what she is like and maybe we can help you with better advice.

[tpol]

See another girl in the same shop, stop communicating with her.

If she shows initiative to contact you then she might be interested. Otherwise, she's just tagging you along stroking her ego

[Azzkikr]

Sorry to say this but looks like she just wants to keep it within the shop otherwise she would have made an effort to see you outside. And of course she treats you like a king everytime you see her at shop it's her job. You are paying for her time and service. I say forget her and move on to another girl, I know it'll be hard to let go since you're now emotionally attached to her but you have to try. And like a previous poster mentioned she is popular at the shop so who knows how many other guys are trying to meet her outside the shop. You have made your attempts, she obviously knows your intentions yet hasn't responded. It's time to move on.

[CunningLinguist]

Dude she is just stringing you on so you keep paying, sorry mate, time to move on.
A word of advice, enjoy your time with a WL/ML, fall in love, get lost in the moment, but once the time is up come back to reality and forget about her, you can cherish the feeling but you have to learn to divorce the feeling from the actual girl, she is paid to make you feel good, and she wants you to come back so she can make more money. Remember GFE is not real, some experienced punters still get confused by it (Eg. Max Impact).

Sometimes a WL/ML will really like you, and it will be obvious, (she might give you free mindblowing extras, ask you to take her out, or be direct and ask you to be her boyfriend, or tell you she loves you) then you can decide if you want to see her outside of the shop, but chasing a WL/ML like you are is bad form, demeaning to you, and no good will come of it.

My analogy is to treat the time you pay for like a movie, enjoy it, immerse yourself in it, but when the time is up it is over.

[MAX FAKE]

Dude she is just stringing you on so you keep paying, sorry mate, time to move on.
A word of advice, enjoy your time with a WL/ML, fall in love, get lost in the moment, but once the time is up come back to reality and forget about her, you can cherish the feeling but you have to learn to divorce the feeling from the acutal girl, she is paid to make you feel good, and she wants you to come back so she can make more money. Remember GFE is not real, some experienced punters still get confused by it.

Sometimes a WL/ML will really like you, and it will be obvious, (she might give you free mindblowing extras, ask you to take her out, or be direct and ask you to be her boyfriend, or tell you she loves you) then you can decide if you want to see her outside of the shop, but chasing a WL/ML like you are is bad form, demeaning to you, and no good will come of it.

My analogy is to treat the time you pay for like a movie, enjoy it, immerse yourself in it, but when the time is up it is over.

LOL some punters think GFE is real

If you want GFE then find a GF in the real world

[z3335526]

Yeah it's hard.

I've fallen into the trap of seeking companionship when visiting some of these parlours. And when a ML is receptive and good at what she does, my sensors immediately flicker and I fall for the trap.

Having been a punter for roughly 5 years, I think it's the phase I'm going through where I am looking for more than just sexual relief.

I feel alot better reading some of your constructive comments. This site also serves as a mini counselling page where punters come to the rescue of other punters.

One thing I have learnt is that I need to get a girlfriend. I need to work on fixing myself first and the rest will take care of itself. When guys are deprived emotionally/sexually, I think we tend to latch on to the first sign of interest from a girl. I clearly did that and invested myself too much into something that she thought not much more than a transaction.

Feelsbad but i feel better knowing there are punters out there who have so much more experience and knowledge and are passing their words of wisdom down.

Off to the gym.

Yours truly

[CunningLinguist]

Yeah it's hard.

I've fallen into the trap of seeking companionship when visiting some of these parlours. And when a ML is receptive and good at what she does, my sensors immediately flicker and I fall for the trap.

Having been a punter for roughly 5 years, I think it's the phase I'm going through where I am looking for more than just sexual relief.

I feel alot better reading some of your constructive comments. This site also serves as a mini counselling page where punters come to the rescue of other punters.

One thing I have learnt is that I need to get a girlfriend. I need to work on fixing myself first and the rest will take care of itself. When guys are deprived emotionally/sexually, I think we tend to latch on to the first sign of interest from a girl. I clearly did that and invested myself too much into something that she thought not much more than a transaction.

Feelsbad but i feel better knowing there are punters out there who have so much more experience and knowledge and are passing their words of wisdom down.

Off to the gym.

Yours truly

Thanks for sharing, good luck in the real world :)

[rooter]

I think CL has pretty much summed it up.
You have to separate punting from your every day life.
But you definitely shouldn't close and harden your heart when you go into a punt - on the contrary you should totally open it up.
If you close your heart and just treat a punt like a transaction then you are only getting 10% of the pleasure that punting can give you - you might as well get a rubber doll or watch porn and wank and save your money.
You have to totally lose yourself in the moment and enjoy the pleasure of a horny girlfriend for an hour - a girl you would never fuck in every day life.
But once the punt is over you have to switch off, and get over it - as a punter you have to have the same mindset of a WL.
It's not always easy - some girls get to you - you don't shake them off easily - but eventually you do and move on.
There are lots of other girls ...

[wilisno]

I think CL has pretty much summed it up.
You have to separate punting from your every day life.
But you definitely shouldn't close and harden your heart when you go into a punt - on the contrary you should totally open it up.
If you close your heart and just treat a punt like a transaction then you are only getting 10% of the pleasure that punting can give you - you might as well get a rubber doll or watch porn and wank and save your money.
You have to totally lose yourself in the moment and enjoy the pleasure of a horny girlfriend for an hour - a girl you would never fuck in every day life.
But once the punt is over you have to get over it - as a punter you have to have the same mindset of a WL.
It's not always easy - some girls get you - you don't shake them off easily - but eventually you do and move on.
Not quite what CL meant ! ;) ;) ;)

[garfield]

So an update to my situation.

The ML came back from holidays and I surprised her with a white rose and a card conveying some of my feelings. She was gone for a while and I had really missed her when she left because I was developing a great connection with her.

So I gave her those and told her how much I missed her. She read the card and was thankful for the rose. The card had my number which I thought was a nice way of providing my number in a subtle way. I hinted that I wanted to see her outside of the shop and would wait on her to find some time to see me.

That session went well and we spent the whole time just chatting. She said we definitely could meet outside for lunch. I ended the session feeling great and hopeful that I could pursue this "relationship" further and maybe make it into something.

She didn't text back for a few days.

I organised a session with her later that week in the shop. I subtly hinted that I was slightly disappointed that she didn't text me. Inside the shop, she treats me so well. She is completely at ease and engages with me on a pretty personal level. From my position, I keep thinking that it would be so easy to convert this into something more on the outside. I left that session again feeling better and hoping that something would materialise. At that session, I got her number from her and texted her a few greetings afterwards. Her responses were short and succinct and i felt that I wasn't making much progress in the "Texting" game.

Next week arrives and I see her. As usual, the session is great and we are there just talking and kissing. I find out more about her. For the last few sessions, I told her I didn't want a happy ending but I would still pay her the extra fee. She didn't accept the extra fee on those occassions which was nice. But this week, she was keen for me to relax and let her do her magic. She is great at that but in my mind, I am trying to find ways to go out with this girl, and I felt that the arrangement of paying her to satisfy my little fellow was not the way to go about it. Strange that we think differently when we like a girl.

Well that week (saw her twice) and both sessions were great but I still couldn't manage to see her outside. She flaked on the one occasion i suggested a meetup. However, I asked very late and even I would have probably said no lol given the late request.

Cue last week, I again saw her twice. Both sessions were great as usual. She treats me fantastic inside the shop. I keep implying that I am desperate to see her outside. She said that she will be seeing me on my bday (this week). I understand that but am keen to lunch with her sometime. She says she will let me know. Essentially, I tried twice to organise something with her last week and on both occasions, they failed. Her texting game has improved. She initiates a few texts but I have been unable to secure a meet-up outside the shop yet which depresses me alot.

It hurts man. You feel like you build a connection and you struggle to complete the process. I felt like I did the hard things. I got the number, I got her to text a few times, but in the end, like what many of you have said, these girls are more comfortable in the shop than meeting you outside.

I need to understand that I was fighting a losing battle from the beginning anyway. Firstly:

1. She's really pretty and I'm in the process of becoming fit again but am not in her league (yet lol)
2. She's a ML (tough to beat that one)
3. She's very popular at the shop which would suggest that my feelings may have been shared by many. I still believe I am different to others in how I connect with her but my failure to secure a date would suggest otherwise.

I also have played the "Game" poorly. From my position, my texting game was poor and I think I showed signs of desperation. When you like a girl, you start acting and texting differently and I think this is a turn-off. When she flaked on the last meeting, I texted her and called her twice to no avail. I needn't have done that. The pure fact that she said she would let me know when she would be free the previous night should have been enough to suggest that she would initiate the conversation the next day. Her failure to do so should have been enough. MY actions in calling and texting were unnecessary because they look a little desperate and that's not the image you want to create. I spoke to her on the phone and she basically said she was out the previous night and slept most of the next day. I said ok and then ended the conversation (politely).

I feel disappointed, disheartened and a little confused. I need to understand that it is almost impossible to date a ML (especially one that is very pretty) but my naivety got the better of me. I am unsure as to what my next steps should be. I have thought about this girl ALOT. Tbh, as much as girls I have really liked in the past. That is the effect she has had on me.

I love the sessions in the shop but I know that inside, I will always want more and that seems like something I am not going to get.

She has indicated that she wanted to get me something for my bday this week and do something but I am fairly certain this will not happen (based on past experiences).

I feel like I need to take a step back and just not text or see her for a while. I'm a sucker for these girls and it's going to take alot of effort but it seems like the only thing to do.

Sorry for the long-winded essay but I need to get my thoughts on paper because I'm feeling down and gym and cardio appear the only things that keep my upbeat during the day. Time will tell.

Sounds to me she's not interested in you. Better not develop feelings for her, try to see other girls.

[AHLUNGOR]

Yeah it's hard.

I've fallen into the trap of seeking companionship when visiting some of these parlours. And when a ML is receptive and good at what she does, my sensors immediately flicker and I fall for the trap.

Having been a punter for roughly 5 years, I think it's the phase I'm going through where I am looking for more than just sexual relief.

I feel alot better reading some of your constructive comments. This site also serves as a mini counselling page where punters come to the rescue of other punters.

One thing I have learnt is that I need to get a girlfriend. I need to work on fixing myself first and the rest will take care of itself. When guys are deprived emotionally/sexually, I think we tend to latch on to the first sign of interest from a girl. I clearly did that and invested myself too much into something that she thought not much more than a transaction.

Feelsbad but i feel better knowing there are punters out there who have so much more experience and knowledge and are passing their words of wisdom down.

Off to the gym.

Yours truly


That's the right attitude brother and you are on the right track !!

Not exactly sure of your situations but sounds like (by your own admission) she is a bit out of your league. That's OK, enjoy her company and services while you can mate. No more these talk talk and no action stuff IMHO, just let loose in your session and enjoy. At least, for the 60 min or so you had paid for, just imagine the room is your place and she is your girl friend. When the session is over, kiss and say goodbye. and back to the real world.

And if you are really after that feeling of going out with her doing lunch or dinner stuff. Why don't you just book her for two hours during lunch or dinner time and have a little picnic on the massage table (BYO some nice Asian takeaway and if possible, some alcoholic drinks too) (don't laugh, yours truly had done this myself many many years ago !!) play the game and go with the flow, enjoy but stop dreaming OK.

May be after a few more dining on the massage table, she will open up more and may out for coffee with you, you never know mate !!

BTW, I take it you are caucasian and she is Asian !! it takes a lot longer for inter racial relationship to develop mate, unless she is after something and makes it very easy for you, and she clearly is not - so, you either do as I suggested and enjoy, enjoy and enjoy, and at the same time, work on yourself and be very patient. otherwise, do as some other brother said and move on !!

Just my two cents

Cheers

:smile:

[jellyshots]

Hey guys! I'm kinda back...

Best single piece of advice I can give here is "be a man". Make decisions for yourself and in your best interests. It's not up to anyone except yourself to make you happy. I've dated quite a few ML's now separately and with their friends. They're just young women... No big surprises or secrets usually except some may have kids from a prior relationship. Women do some pretty silly things to get themselves in debt and are forever paying them off.

If you know how to have a good time just being yourself, it's an attractive quality. Also, be unapologetic for your actions. ML's ask me all the time why I see them in a shop when they say that I should have no trouble attracting women. I usually laugh and say, "Because I can. Plus, this is where all of the naughty girls are and I LIKE naughty girls."

This is going to sound horrible but I use ML's for practice. I pick the hottest ones I can find, book them, chat them up, see what pushes their buttons. I ask them what they like about men. It usually ends up one of a few ways either they give me their details or I get freebie extras. Some have been really cool. Dragging me out on a date with one of the other ML's from the shop and plenty of public three-way kissing etc. Very good for the ego but better for dating non-ML's. Facebook + photos = awesome. New women you meet will likely stalk you on Facebook. If you are seem with good looking women draping off you, it brings out their competitive streak.

Oh, and stop dropping loads of cash on them. All it does is make you one of the crowd of wannabe's that expect to buy a girl a few drinks and get laid at the end of the night. Start being the guy that they like being around and having fun with. The sex will come naturally.

[MAX FAKE]

Public three-way kissing LOL

The bullshit is back.

[Bazzladance69]

I guess I might just be lucky @ the moment have 2 WL as girlfriends but i insist on paying for sex , when we go out just for entertainment they pay there own way although I usually pay for the meal & drinks.
Recently after knowing a WL for over 18months she surprised me on my Birthday, by taking me to the casino for lunch she paid for the meal & drink even got a room for 2 hours
all expenses paid.
Of course I will give her a big celebration on her birthday , maybe a harbour cruise .
I agree that even the WL I am seeing is money focused she tells me about other customers about the gifts and cash tips, she also tells me she is a very good actress when she needs to be , so I bet she has some other punter that she talks to about me . so its all fair , I just enjoy the time I have with them & keep it light & don't confuse it with love

[beta101]

So an update to my situation.

The ML came back from holidays and I surprised her with a white rose and a card conveying some of my feelings. She was gone for a while and I had really missed her when she left because I was developing a great connection with her.

So I gave her those and told her how much I missed her. She read the card and was thankful for the rose. The card had my number which I thought was a nice way of providing my number in a subtle way. I hinted that I wanted to see her outside of the shop and would wait on her to find some time to see me.

That session went well and we spent the whole time just chatting. She said we definitely could meet outside for lunch. I ended the session feeling great and hopeful that I could pursue this "relationship" further and maybe make it into something.

She didn't text back for a few days.

I organised a session with her later that week in the shop. I subtly hinted that I was slightly disappointed that she didn't text me. Inside the shop, she treats me so well. She is completely at ease and engages with me on a pretty personal level. From my position, I keep thinking that it would be so easy to convert this into something more on the outside. I left that session again feeling better and hoping that something would materialise. At that session, I got her number from her and texted her a few greetings afterwards. Her responses were short and succinct and i felt that I wasn't making much progress in the "Texting" game.

Next week arrives and I see her. As usual, the session is great and we are there just talking and kissing. I find out more about her. For the last few sessions, I told her I didn't want a happy ending but I would still pay her the extra fee. She didn't accept the extra fee on those occassions which was nice. But this week, she was keen for me to relax and let her do her magic. She is great at that but in my mind, I am trying to find ways to go out with this girl, and I felt that the arrangement of paying her to satisfy my little fellow was not the way to go about it. Strange that we think differently when we like a girl.

Well that week (saw her twice) and both sessions were great but I still couldn't manage to see her outside. She flaked on the one occasion i suggested a meetup. However, I asked very late and even I would have probably said no lol given the late request.

Cue last week, I again saw her twice. Both sessions were great as usual. She treats me fantastic inside the shop. I keep implying that I am desperate to see her outside. She said that she will be seeing me on my bday (this week). I understand that but am keen to lunch with her sometime. She says she will let me know. Essentially, I tried twice to organise something with her last week and on both occasions, they failed. Her texting game has improved. She initiates a few texts but I have been unable to secure a meet-up outside the shop yet which depresses me alot.

It hurts man. You feel like you build a connection and you struggle to complete the process. I felt like I did the hard things. I got the number, I got her to text a few times, but in the end, like what many of you have said, these girls are more comfortable in the shop than meeting you outside.

I need to understand that I was fighting a losing battle from the beginning anyway. Firstly:

1. She's really pretty and I'm in the process of becoming fit again but am not in her league (yet lol)
2. She's a ML (tough to beat that one)
3. She's very popular at the shop which would suggest that my feelings may have been shared by many. I still believe I am different to others in how I connect with her but my failure to secure a date would suggest otherwise.

I also have played the "Game" poorly. From my position, my texting game was poor and I think I showed signs of desperation. When you like a girl, you start acting and texting differently and I think this is a turn-off. When she flaked on the last meeting, I texted her and called her twice to no avail. I needn't have done that. The pure fact that she said she would let me know when she would be free the previous night should have been enough to suggest that she would initiate the conversation the next day. Her failure to do so should have been enough. MY actions in calling and texting were unnecessary because they look a little desperate and that's not the image you want to create. I spoke to her on the phone and she basically said she was out the previous night and slept most of the next day. I said ok and then ended the conversation (politely).

I feel disappointed, disheartened and a little confused. I need to understand that it is almost impossible to date a ML (especially one that is very pretty) but my naivety got the better of me. I am unsure as to what my next steps should be. I have thought about this girl ALOT. Tbh, as much as girls I have really liked in the past. That is the effect she has had on me.

I love the sessions in the shop but I know that inside, I will always want more and that seems like something I am not going to get.

She has indicated that she wanted to get me something for my bday this week and do something but I am fairly certain this will not happen (based on past experiences).

I feel like I need to take a step back and just not text or see her for a while. I'm a sucker for these girls and it's going to take alot of effort but it seems like the only thing to do.

Sorry for the long-winded essay but I need to get my thoughts on paper because I'm feeling down and gym and cardio appear the only things that keep my upbeat during the day. Time will tell.

lol damn creepy. tell us the girl n the shop

[cgt]

Few years ago I met a pretty in M8 called "Lok". She mentioned to me that she wanted to go cruise. I hesitated a few days then turned down the offer. Personal reason.... But I could never see her any more since then.

[domo]

thanks for sharing everyone. its been very helpful for me.

I first went and saw a ML less than 1 months ago. just for shits and giggles and see what this is all about. Since then, I've visited over 5 times :$. now i will be getting married in less than a fortnight. Now the question is, will i be able to give up on this new found part of our culture... i don't know but this thread did help me realize that some things can never be and its all in mind head and that i'm just one of many guys/clients that they see a week. I guess on average they may see 7 clients a day (8+ hour shift) if they are popular and may work 4-5 days a week which means that they would get more than me in wage in a week and that there is 27+ other guys which may have an attachment to a single ML. And that there will be people seeing them longer than me with more cash to burn that nothing outside will ever occur for little young me.

[garfield]

thanks for sharing everyone. its been very helpful for me.

I first went and saw a ML less than 1 months ago. just for shits and giggles and see what this is all about. Since then, I've visited over 5 times :$. now i will be getting married in less than a fortnight. Now the question is, will i be able to give up on this new found part of our culture... i don't know but this thread did help me realize that some things can never be and its all in mind head and that i'm just one of many guys/clients that they see a week. I guess on average they may see 7 clients a day (8+ hour shift) if they are popular and may work 4-5 days a week which means that they would get more than me in wage in a week and that there is 27+ other guys which may have an attachment to a single ML. And that there will be people seeing them longer than me with more cash to burn that nothing outside will ever occur for little young me.
It will be hard to give up once you've tasted the fruits. But your understanding is correct, so be wise.

[tpol]

Either get it out of your system by consistently banging you fiance.

Otherwise, forget about the marriage.

[Junkyard]

we're all human, not robots so we all have emotions.

We all get older but there is always some young new ml, wl that pops up and has the capacity to steal our hearts. We have to realise they do this for the money, we do it to bang hot chicks no?

Dude getting married in a fortnight I think you've opened a can of worms...

[domo]

I may have Junkyard, I may have...

Tho, It's like the Katy Perry song "I Kissed A Girl" but for different reasons ;).

After much contemplation, i'm not so much in it for the part 2's yes its all nice an all but i'm actually going there for the conversations. When you treat the girls with respect and share a little, its amazing what they talk about. I know i'm green to this and all but who they are and how they got there still intrigues me as well as helping them practice their english :). It also disheartens me on how many 'clients' negotiate for a deal and then not paying before or after as well as the 'clients' that don't ask for permission yet have their way with them :'(. I wonder if the shops have a list of black listed 'clients' for bad behavior or something.

[Bose0412]

I'm like domo, I find it so interesting and they have so many stories, like customers who like pain to absolute jerks who doesn't understand the word no... Just wish everyone can respect these girls.
But I have made friends with a few of them, and do hang out, outside work really enjoy creating stories on how we met. I just made some ridiculous story to her friends and even her mouth was open in shock.. Lol

[Junkyard]

There will always be a small percentage (or large!) that our gf's wives, can't satisfy and that is why we punt.

It's a business transaction: Hand over money, get something in return.

The mls, wls apparently are so well trained now, that's why they pull on our heartstrings as well, it's
all to get repeat business.

Man if we think about this too much we'll go nuts, just enjoy it and put it in the spank bank.

[x11]

I'm like domo, I find it so interesting and they have so many stories, like customers who like pain to absolute jerks who doesn't understand the word no... Just wish everyone can respect these girls.
But I have made friends with a few of them, and do hang out, outside work really enjoy creating stories on how we met. I just made some ridiculous story to her friends and even her mouth was open in shock.. Lol

Care to share some of these fun stories? Sounds like they will be a blast

[AHLUNGOR]

I may have Junkyard, I may have...

It also disheartens me on how many 'clients' negotiate for a deal and then not paying before or after as well as the 'clients' that don't ask for permission yet have their way with them :'(. I wonder if the shops have a list of black listed 'clients' for bad behavior or something.

Well said!

Exactly the reason why 227 Broadway now only has inclusive prices, all paid up front!

While most clients are good men and honest gentlemen , it's a very small percentage of jerks that put the MLs in high alert!

Another reason why clients who paid the tips before hand are so much more welcomed !

Treat them well !

Cheers

[aussiegaigin]

Love from a massage shop:
http://www.smh.com.au/national/cultural-differences-a-coat-you-take-off-when-you-fall-in-love-20151127-gl9xv3.html

[AHLUNGOR]

Love from a massage shop:
http://www.smh.com.au/national/cultural-differences-a-coat-you-take-off-when-you-fall-in-love-20151127-gl9xv3.html

Nice story, just wondering how long it actually took before Lindsay gets his part II ?

[rooter]

Nice story, just wondering how long it actually took before Lindsay gets his part II ?

Don't jump to conclusions bro A; it was a "therapeutic massage clinic".
Anyway good luck to them both ...

[AHLUNGOR]

Don't jump to conclusions bro A; it was a "therapeutic massage clinic".
Anyway good luck to them both ...

I know I know, that's why I said how long ?

If it was a RnT , the answer will be 15-20 min and I knew the answer , no need to ask !


Ps. All my favourite massage shops are therapeutic massage clinics too ! And the MLs are all therapists ! Technicians and beauticians !

[NaughtyBoy13]

Lads,

I want to get your knowledge on the pros and cons of dating a ML. Share some cool stories and if you enjoyed the experience.

What would your tips in knowing when to ask a ML out.

I had a short experience a while back with an older woman a while back. I guess my brief tips would be

1. Don't expect her to give up her job for you straightaway. MLs make a decent wage doing their job so if you're not going to marry her, then don't expect her to give up her job.

2. Try and show how you're different to other lads. I'm certain we would all want to tldate a particular ML at some point in time. Therefore, you need to showcase your strengths to the ML and why you're a better match

3. Don't expect a long relationship. I have no solid reasons for this but I assume that these relationships are difficult to maintain

Would love to hear your stories. Some of you have some fantastic insights and experiences

What youre trying to say are correct. I agreed, but I expect a long relationship:)

[Azzkikr]

What youre trying to say are correct. I agreed, but I expect a long relationship:) if you're expecting a long relationship then you're looking in the wrong place.

[NaughtyBoy13]

if you're expecting a long relationship then you're looking in the wrong place.

I understand what you mean. But I believe there is an exception:)

[ThomasT2015]

It will be hard to give up once you've tasted the fruits. But your understanding is correct, so be wise.
You are absolulately right , I insist paying no matter what .

[cato]

Once you forget that this is just a transaction then you're on your way to serious trouble....

[Yageez88]

So I just got a contact of a WL and we're meeting up soon. This is a first for me and I've read it always ends bad but I figure I'll go enjoy the meet up and see what happens...

Any tips or pointers from others who have gone through this?

I see people say to be upfront straight away but how do you go about this? Just ask and be blunt?

[BBBJ]

Punting is all about yourself. It should start and end with it all about being yourself.
Do not try and make it about the ML or WL.
Do not think that there are exceptions to this rule... there is not.
You will learn the easy way or the hard way.... none of these girls need saving or need you.
They have made their choice and get just as much thrill from punting us as we do them. FULL STOP.
Meeting them away from work is fine.... just never pay for it.

[NaughtyBoy13]

Ive been dated with a WL for about 3-4 months.

She has never asked me for money. Going out for lunch or dinner, movies... She also wants to pay for herself, but I said "no" ! I would pay for it as a man. And she said that she would like to travel to Hobart. Oh, Id love to visit Hobart, too !

So we set up a date to visit Hobart during Christmas time. Travelled around, party at night with sea foods, wines and sex :) Of course I paid for everything but sex is unpaid, lol

Wow, I have never had such a great time in my life like that ! It was incredible! We trusted each others, so we always have bareback sex. We broke up 2 months later, and she went back to her country.

No love between us. But for myself I truely wish to have a wife like her ! :) All the great moments would stay in mah mind 4ever ! Really miss her sometimes...

[otokosg]

Punting is all about yourself. It should start and end with it all about being yourself.
Do not try and make it about the ML or WL.
Do not think that there are exceptions to this rule... there is not.
You will learn the easy way or the hard way.... none of these girls need saving or need you.
They have made their choice and get just as much thrill from punting us as we do them. FULL STOP.
Meeting them away from work is fine.... just never pay for it.

Couldn't agree more with such a succinct summary!

I feel really sorry for z3335526 after reading his story, as I've gone thru something similar myself, though I wasn't that deep into it and got out early.

One thing I learned was that these girls are under tremendous pressures in life: making ends meet, school assignments, job at the parlor, other jobs, makeup/clothes, dreams/fears about the future, visa issues, boyfriends, customers, friends at school, family blah, blah. So their emotions change almost every hour. Some of them might have a clear vision of where they are going, and can balance these shifting elements relatively well, and if you happen to become a friend of such a ML, it's going to be a lot easier. But this type of ML is a minority, I'd say. The majority of them have trouble in this chaos, and customers who want to befriend them privately by sending text messages or calling only add to the confusion.

My take on their nice behavior in the shop is that they simply want to keep more options open, no more, no less.

[MAX FAKE]

Punting is all about yourself. It should start and end with it all about being yourself.
Do not try and make it about the ML or WL.
Do not think that there are exceptions to this rule... there is not.
You will learn the easy way or the hard way.... none of these girls need saving or need you.
They have made their choice and get just as much thrill from punting us as we do them. FULL STOP.
Meeting them away from work is fine.... just never pay for it.

I must have missed this post from a few day ago.

100% agree. It sums it up perfectly.

[blanet]

It's interesting reading the lengths other punters will go to grow the business transaction into something more. Some seem to be lucky and for them the ML show genuine interest but mostly, I think they are playing along with the fantasy for financial gain.

[otokosg]

It's interesting reading the lengths other punters will go to grow the business transaction into something more. Some seem to be lucky and for them the ML show genuine interest but mostly, I think they are playing along with the fantasy for financial gain.

So true, and the emotional pain is probably much worse than the financial damage.

[cato]

I suppose some people confuse lust with their need for affection. It's a service transaction, no different than being served a cup of coffee or getting your hair cut.

The moment you see it as something more than that you make yourself vulnerable, and a clever and enterprising ML/WL will sniff that out like a wild boar does a truffle...

[Alan86]

As a rule, I don't date MLs or see them outside the shop.

There's a ton of reasons for that but the main ones are

- I would never want an ML to know my real identity
- it's too complicated and you're playing with fire
- The whole fantasy of her may come crashing down
- I'd want her to quit her job straight away, which she wouldn't do
- Many of them can't be trusted and know how to manipulate you
- I'd rather date regular girls because I can always 'see the MLs in the shop'

If you want to start something with a nice girl, why not choose a nice, regular girl?

Some gorgeous MLs have given me their numbers, invited me to their home etc (I could drop some pretty big names here but I won't for privacy reasons). But I don't go through with it.

Although if I really fall for an ML, who knows?

[Alan86]

Is it just me or do others here think that this guy is full of shit? The amount of time you spend digging up old threads and replying to them with bullshit stories, you wouldn't have time to go out on a date with a ML, even if you could get a date.

You are very big with your stories but when it comes to details you hide behind legal reason,privacy reason etc etc which leads me to believe they are just that, stories made up by your imagination. You claimed to have visited a shop that was closed down earlier that day but when you're asked to name the shop you claim you can't due to legal reasons lol.......... Bro, you do know that this forum is for sharing FACTS and OPINIONS right? Bullshit is generally not cool

I'm sure that a lot of bros here have dated ML/WL, but the ones that actually have don't come on here and try to brag about it. Why would they?

Anyway, I'm willing to bet $$$ that you are full of shit. PM me some details, just one name and proof. How about a $1000 bet? I'll meet you at any shop in the cbd and you show me the proof and the cash is yours. I'll even pay for you to have a 1 hour session at the shop

By the way, how did HereticMessiah get banned and you slipped through the cracks?

Dear SOM,

I actually kind of like it when you don't believe me! Its kind of flattering in a way, like when some kids at school used to think I cheated when doing some projects etc, claiming it 'couldn't be done' by a kid! Although in this case, I think a lot of punters can pull numbers etc, it's not really a big deal

Here's some answers to some of your questions, after which I will never again respond to you and your constant need to troll everyone

1) Why I didn't give the details of a shop due to legal reasons - there was set to be a legal court case planned this year against the shop, which will include evidence gathered from punters etc

2) Why I spend so much time digging up old threads - I wish I had joined this site years ago, so I check out the old threads I've missed. Plus, am bored at work etc.

3) Why I didn't give MLs names due to privacy - for their privacy, and for my own privacy (anonymity)

4) I continue to be on this site - because admin can clearly see that I am genuinely trying to contribute to this website! (Unlike yourself who just tries to be cynical and stir up trouble - a troll!). I just wrote a huge essay on trying to help punters who are addicted - what have you done lately other than irritate other users?

5) Why I am telling the truth - because why the f%^k would I bother to set up "multiple " accounts on a website which is anonymous in the first place, and write imaginary stories on it!! WHY??

6) Why I won't take your offer of the bet - again, anonymity is the most important thing to me, and so I don't want to be identified by anyone on this site. Even though I'd love to take your money.

7) If you are wrong, and I am in fact a) Neither HM or Jellyshots , and b) truthful in the things I write here - will you admit that you would be a total CHODE?? Id love for you to admit to this!

8) I've dealt with guys like you before - at uni, a lot of guys who didn't get girls wouldn't want to accept that other people did! I know it hurts, but get over it! If you put as much time into learning pickup as you do into attacking people online, you'd be the one writing how you're getting MLs numbers!

9) I will no longer respond to you

[rooter]

Guys often misread the signals from girls who are just being friendly, just doing their job, giving good customer service, or being flirty within the safe confines of the customer/service provider relationship.
I love this scene from the movie Adaptation; it pretty much sums it up.
It's one of those awkward moments a lot of us can relate too.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r0MPwCYmFQo

[Alan86]

Guys often misread the signals from girls who are just being friendly, just doing their job, giving good customer service, or being flirty within the safe confines of the customer/service provider relationship.
I love this scene from the movie Adaptation; it pretty much sums it up.
It's one of those awkward moments a lot of us can relate too.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r0MPwCYmFQo

If you want to have an idea if an ML probably does actually like you, ask yourself two questions:

a) Do girls in real life usually like you?

If yes, she probably does. Or if not,

b) Do you act differently with an ML than you do with girls in Real life?

However, as you said, part of an MLs job is to be flirty with customers. This is part of her service, which we enjoy. But obviously, if she's trying to see you outside, she doesn't just want you to be her customer.

But the only way to truly know if she does really like you, is by seeing her and having an affair with her outside the shop.

I say, who cares if she does or doesn't ! enjoy it and assume she does like you! You're the one paying for it!

[aussiegaigin]

I was invited out by a regular ML a couple of years ago. We had lunch together, and ended up back at her home. We got on well together, but I think she was looking for a long term relationship which didn't interest me, so nothing really happened.

I still see her occasionally for a massage, and we have lunch together occasionally, but I feel uncomfortable in either situation. She has never invited me home again.

[mikael66]

There's this ML which i am seeing once or twice a week for maybe two months. Tried to ask her out a few times. But now i gave up.

[TallyHo]

If you want to have an idea if an ML probably does actually like you, ask yourself two questions:

a) Do girls in real life usually like you?

If yes, she probably does. Or if not,

b) Do you act differently with an ML than you do with girls in Real life?

However, as you said, part of an MLs job is to be flirty with customers. This is part of her service, which we enjoy. But obviously, if she's trying to see you outside, she doesn't just want you to be her customer.

But the only way to truly know if she does really like you, is by seeing her and having an affair with her outside the shop.

I say, who cares if she does or doesn't ! enjoy it and assume she does like you! You're the one paying for it!

Hold on for a second there mate!

A massage lady is a human being. She has feelings as much as anybody else. A ML is not a toy for your own sexual gratification, as you have portrayed them!

They are no different to ladies / girls who aren't in the massage business.

[TallyHo]

I was invited out by a regular ML a couple of years ago. We had lunch together, and ended up back at her home. We got on well together, but I think she was looking for a long term relationship which didn't interest me, so nothing really happened.

I still see her occasionally for a massage, and we have lunch together occasionally, but I feel uncomfortable in either situation. She has never invited me home again.

She has never invited you home again probably because you couldn't show her the commitment she was after.

Why aren't you comfortable with her in either situation - massage / lunch?

[TallyHo]

There's this ML which i am seeing once or twice a week for maybe two months. Tried to ask her out a few times. But now i gave up.

Maybe she has a boyfriend or is married?

[Alan86]

Hold on for a second there mate!

A massage lady is a human being. She has feelings as much as anybody else. A ML is not a toy for your own sexual gratification, as you have portrayed them!

They are no different to ladies / girls who aren't in the massage business.

I'm not saying to toy with them!

I'm saying that when you're in a session, and she's flirting with you, just enjoy it! Don't worry about whether it's 'real ' or not!

If you want to date an ML, it's a whole different story

[Nejums]

Not worth the headache. Just enjoy your session and don't get attached.

I feel like some brothers have a hero complex and think MLs/WLs need rescuing or something. They are most likely more in control than us since they're not controlled by their penis.

[TallyHo]

I'm not saying to toy with them!

I'm saying that when you're in a session, and she's flirting with you, just enjoy it! Don't worry about whether it's 'real ' or not!

If you want to date an ML, it's a whole different story

OK, sorry and thanks! Now I am understanding you.

[Massage King]

Dear SOM,

I actually kind of like it when you don't believe me! Its kind of flattering in a way, like when some kids at school used to think I cheated when doing some projects etc, claiming it 'couldn't be done' by a kid! Although in this case, I think a lot of punters can pull numbers etc, it's not really a big deal

Here's some answers to some of your questions, after which I will never again respond to you and your constant need to troll everyone

1) Why I didn't give the details of a shop due to legal reasons - there was set to be a legal court case planned this year against the shop, which will include evidence gathered from punters etc

2) Why I spend so much time digging up old threads - I wish I had joined this site years ago, so I check out the old threads I've missed. Plus, am bored at work etc.

3) Why I didn't give MLs names due to privacy - for their privacy, and for my own privacy (anonymity)

4) I continue to be on this site - because admin can clearly see that I am genuinely trying to contribute to this website! (Unlike yourself who just tries to be cynical and stir up trouble - a troll!). I just wrote a huge essay on trying to help punters who are addicted - what have you done lately other than irritate other users?

5) Why I am telling the truth - because why the f%^k would I bother to set up "multiple " accounts on a website which is anonymous in the first place, and write imaginary stories on it!! WHY??

6) Why I won't take your offer of the bet - again, anonymity is the most important thing to me, and so I don't want to be identified by anyone on this site. Even though I'd love to take your money.

7) If you are wrong, and I am in fact a) Neither HM or Jellyshots , and b) truthful in the things I write here - will you admit that you would be a total CHODE?? Id love for you to admit to this!

8) I've dealt with guys like you before - at uni, a lot of guys who didn't get girls wouldn't want to accept that other people did! I know it hurts, but get over it! If you put as much time into learning pickup as you do into attacking people online, you'd be the one writing how you're getting MLs numbers!

9) I will no longer respond to you

Haha evidence from punters. I've really heard it all now.

[sukeong]

Not worth the headache. Just enjoy your session and don't get attached.

I feel like some brothers have a hero complex and think MLs/WLs need rescuing or something. They are most likely more in control than us since they're not controlled by their penis.

Not so much hero complex I think as having the hots for some young pretty Asian girls not obtainable normally unless paying for their services.

Rare to find people that naive anymore to think ML need 'saving'

[Massage King]

Not worth the headache. Just enjoy your session and don't get attached.

I feel like some brothers have a hero complex and think MLs/WLs need rescuing or something. They are most likely more in control than us since they're not controlled by their penis.

Yes! It appears in comments all the time. Hero/white knight etc etc

They are there just to provide a service and get paid for it. I doubt they start working in a shop because they can't find a guy anywhere else.

[Massage King]

Not so much hero complex I think as having the hots for some young pretty Asian girls not obtainable normally unless paying for their services.

Rare to find people that naive anymore to think ML need 'saving'

It's not that rare at all, just look at some of the comments here.

Reality is the ML has more money in the bank than majority of her customers and she is much more cunning and smarter too

[TallyHo]

Not worth the headache. Just enjoy your session and don't get attached.

I feel like some brothers have a hero complex and think MLs/WLs need rescuing or something. They are most likely more in control than us since they're not controlled by their penis.

If she is a ML, is single and you are too, then I don't see much harm in asking her for a date. If she says no, then consider moving on.

Where it gets complicated is if either or both of you are already in another relationship. That is a different scenario, that's having an affair! Not dating!!

[woods23]

If she is a ML, is single and you are too, then I don't see much harm in asking her for a date. If she says no, then consider moving on.

Where it gets complicated is if either or both of you are already in another relationship. That is a different scenario, that's having an affair! Not dating!!


Is not that easy man !
And i guess you never fallen for a ml/wl

If you had you wouldn't have said that.

Life does get complicated and it's not that easy to move on !


You will know what i'm talking about ever if u get you self into this sticky situation .

[TallyHo]

Is not that easy man !
And i guess you never fallen for a ml/wl

If you had you wouldn't have said that.

Life does get complicated and it's not that easy to move on !


If you ever get you self into this sticky situation .
Let me know and i will point you to some bros here that can help you :)
There are some nice guys here willing to help a bro in need :smile:

Now, I am not referring to affairs. Just pure traditional dating - a single guy and a single girl going out on a date.

I managed to date a ML. I can say, getting the ML to go on a date with you largely depends on if she likes you to begin with. Much the same with asking other girls out - if she likes you then she might say yes. If she says no to you once or twice, then probably she doesn't like you - just leave it as that. It is no different to a girl asking you out and you don't like her - would you go out with her?

Falling for a ML isn't any different to falling for other girls. If you fall for a ML for the reason of her appearance, chances are you will fall for any girl who shares similar appearance.

Now, the tricky part is, what do you hope to get from dating the ML. Is it for a possible long term relationship or just pure fun for both? I think this is something you have to be clear to yourself and also to her.

If it is for a long term relationship, I would recommend just getting to know her on that first date - to see what she is like when she is not working in case she turns out to be someone you actually do not like. Anything further than that, I cannot really comment on as it relies on you and her. She is only human after all, and so are you!

Again, I am not referring to affairs, just pure dating between two singles. A massive difference!!!

[woods23]

My point is to nejums "Not worth the headache. Just enjoy your session and don't get attached"
Good advice!!!

And to you "i don't see much harm in asking her for a date. If she says no, then consider moving on.
Is not that easy because once u considered to ask her out you already fallen for her or very fond of her.
Not every 1 is a ml/wl sniper !!!
Some poeple do get personal attached to them more than other and hard to get out.


●example -z3335526 wonder what happened to him ?
He was in serious trouble lol.

[TallyHo]

My point is to nejums "Not worth the headache. Just enjoy your session and don't get attached"
Good advice!!!

And to you "i don't see much harm in asking her for a date. If she says no, then consider moving on.
Is not that easy because once u considered to ask her out you already fallen for her or very fond of her.
Not every 1 is a ml/wl sniper !!!
Some poeple do get personal attached to them more than other and hard to get out.


●example -z3335526 wonder what happened to him ?
He was in serious trouble lol.

This is where you got to remind yourself that she is just a normal person, like other girls out there. If she likes you she likes you. You cannot do much more than that. Can you imagine someone you don't like (for whatever reasons) asking you out? Would you say yes to her?

Just give it a rest and move on. The bottom line is, there is plenty of fish out in the sea, so to speak. Do not get dwelled up on it.

To the administrators - please do not delete this thread and posts within, they are useful for those who get caught up in falling for MLs/WLs.

[Massage King]

This is where you got to remind yourself that she is just a normal person, like other girls out there. If she likes you she likes you. You cannot do much more than that. Can you imagine someone you don't like (for whatever reasons) asking you out? Would you say yes to her?

Just give it a rest and move on. The bottom line is, there is plenty of fish out in the sea, so to speak. Do not get dwelled up on it.

To the administrators - please do not delete this thread and posts within, they are useful for those who get caught up in falling for MLs/WLs.

They are normal person, but you are not meeting them in normal setting. You are paying them to get naked with you and pull your dick and pretend to like you. That is not how things happen in a normal world.